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August 19, 2025 • 50 mins
The GOAT isn't washed, the Kat/Rylie stuff gets even weirder, and PD is starting to get addicted to the live feeds
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The goat isn't washed. Chase is wrong. The goat is
very much not washed.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Goat's back, dude. It's like it's like when you're watching
the Rocky movies and you're like, oh, no, Rocky lost.
Dang it, Rocky sucks. But then he works hard, he trains,
he wins at the end, and you're like, he's not washed.
Rocky is awesome. We love the We love Philadelphia, We
love any boxer who has CTE.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Speaking of CTE, I think Mickey might never mind. I'm
not gonna oh, I don't want to talk about Mickey Man.
Mickey became public enemy number one on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
All week, and I was like why, And then I
found out why. I was trying not to pay super
close attention to the live feeds this week because I
didn't want to have everything spoiled for me. But I
figured out why everybody doesn't like Mickey, So you know,
fuck Mickey. But we'll get to that. Basically, we're gonna
jump in with this week episode sixteen. Everyone respects Ava

(01:00):
for playing a big move because at the end of
last week, of course we got to see Ava the
New Hoh's nominations, and she, of course nominated Keanu, Vinni
and Zach. But in episode sixteen we are going to
be seeing the power of Veto competition where I mean,
I think this week was incredible just because of Keanu

(01:22):
Top Beast Keanu. I mean, let's just jump right into it.
The power of Veto competition.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
You're power of Vito competition time with Chase. Sorry, you
gotta go a little stinger POV with Ja c B.
That's that's actually really good.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
The power of Veto competition spread throughout the crime scene.
There are different zones. The zones will need to be
memorized because when it's time to shuffle board your little
shuffle board piece, the zones will disappear, and when if
you do not, basically everyone will push their piece across
the shuffle board. You're trying to get the highest points possible.

(01:59):
Whoever has the lowest amount of points after the round
will be eliminated. But when you are eliminated, you will
open a briefcase to see what you win. Everyone will
win something, whether it's a reward or a punishment. Here's
the thing, though, the last man's standing gets to pick
any prize, including the POV, because when you lose, say

(02:20):
you lose third. You can look at what the first
two eliminated players won in their briefcase and you can
pick if you want to switch with them. I thought
this challenge was awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean I was on board from the get
go because it's like it's crime scene shuffle board. I
think what the end of it was a big pool
of blood that was worth forty five points, and those
like the most points you could get. But the danger
with going for the pool of blood is you could
go off the edge.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And that does happen. In round one, Will is the
first one eliminated. He wins the Golden Power of Veto,
but remember this can be taken from him by any
of the next lineminated players, and it will be. In
round two, Keanu is eliminated and he wins the thing

(03:07):
Partners in Crime. It's a chance to steal one hundred
thousand dollars with one of the other cast members, but
he decides to take the POV from Will instead. Round three,
Zach is eliminated. He wins a London vacation. It's a
week long vacation for him and one other. He takes

(03:28):
the Partners in Crime prize from Will and gives Will
the vacation because he needs to take his chocolate drop
to London.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And Nick, which seems like it would be the best
see sorry, seems like it would be a great move
and something that would keep you around in the event
that you didn't win any of these competitions. But hey,
he's cutthroat in the bb House.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Will didn't vote to eliminate him. He's stuck true to
his words. That's true.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But Rachel and Ashley said in Unison that was the
sweetest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Very true. And you know, it's a shame what's gonna happen.
But uh, I think we all saw it coming a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, it was a really nice thing to do for Will.
I wonder if it was more of a I need
to get the target off of me thing.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It didn't hurt because he already had the ten thousand
dollars that everybody knew about. Round four, Ava is eliminated.
She wins the butler did it, which is a punishment,
which means that she has to spend the entire week
dressed as a butler. She trades it for the power
of veto.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It would have been so much better if she won
that she would be furious, but she already twerks all
the time, and then she would have a massive, like
cartoon size butt, but.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
No pun intended. What would be really bad because apparently
she sleeps so much in the butler kept waking Keanu
up in the middle of the night to go and
serve them, and so I think she would have straight
up been like, no, I'm not getting up. Round five,

(05:13):
Vince is eliminated, which means that Catherine wins the competition.
Vince gets the five thousand dollars briefcase, but he trades
it for the veto, and that is when Katherine opens
her briefcase and we're we're gonna have to get into
this because this is an insane thing. Katherine wins Hard
Boiled Detective, which means that she will have to spend

(05:34):
the week dressed up. But Vince begs her. He is
begging her to take to five grand and not take
the veto, and he's like, I applied for ten years.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, please please let me keep it, Katheryne. Please Catherine,
please five grand. I've been applying for ten years.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Please please, dude. I lost all respect for him. I
hope he goes home immediately. What a loser.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
She had the same reaction you did.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think, Yes, I mean, he's begging her in front
of everyone on national TV. Please please, I'm begging you.
Please don't take it from me. Please. I know you
won it and I didn't win it, but I'm please,
please want to lose it.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's like, once you're in the house, it doesn't matter
how long everyone's been applying, Like, no, you can't hold
that against anybody, that your auditions weren't good enough for
whatever they weren't.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like, dude, like imagine because he's unemployed. Imagine when he
got fired from his last job, he was like, please
give me a paycheck. I know I didn't work this week,
but I've been trying so hard. Oh what a loser.
I hate him. I hope he falls down the steps
of the Big Brother House. Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, not a good look for Vinnie. Not for you,
you know either either. One.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean me wishing for someone to fall down
the steps of the Big Brother House. Probably not great
for my uh internet footprint, my digital footprint.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I mean, now we gotta we gotta talk about
Vinnie some more. Yes, we get introduced to He's what
is it hard boiled Detective.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Is that the name. Yes, he's the hard Boiled Detective,
which was fun. He has to dress up as a big.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Ol' legg Yeah, he looks like Dana Carvey's Turtle character
and Master of the Skies.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, exactly one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And he actually he did like the bit where he
would just like go into it and like basically it
was his turtleshell.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, yea yeah. And there's some really funny pictures from
the live feeds of him just like chilling in his
little turtleshell. People are sticking their heads in to talk
to him.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
He did such a good job that Ava kind of
changed her tune on him a little bit, maing like
he's just he's taking this so well.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I love I really like Ava because I feel like
she she doesn't just she's just going off vibes Man
and auras. Yeah, and then there's no strategy.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Maybe there's a little bit, but maybe the strategy is
just with with Will when they're drunk. Maybe that's when
the strategy comes out. Heck, yeah, dude, that's my favorite
dream team. Ava and Will, Dude, they're awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But yeah, so Catherine wins the power of Veto and
then I mean, I think we just kind of skip
ahead to the power of veto.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, or I mean I we talked about Vince's costume.
Tell us about your boy Keanu and what he has
to wear.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Hey man, I mean we touched on it already. But
he's the butler. He has to wear a giant butt
that holds a food tray on it, and at any
point during the week when the intercom goes off, Keanu
has to go and make pigs in a blanket that's right,

(08:34):
and serve it to whoever is he's told to.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, Keanu, who is already thick, he's now extra thick.
He is thick with three c's and now he serves
pigs in a blanket off of his butt to people,
whether they want it or not. Because Riley didn't, he.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Had to wake up in the middle of the night,
Keanu make pigs in a blanket, which requires an oven. Yeah,
and then he has to go wake up Riley and
be like, do you want some pigs in the blanket?
And Riley goes did they tell you to do this?
And he goes yeah, and he goes no, which fair enough.

(09:15):
I thought that was really funny.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think I would have eaten one to be nice
at that point. Not really, but it was really funny.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think I would have taken one. I don't know
if I would have eaten it. It might have ended
up under my pillow at some point. And there's one
more thing in a blanket, Pigs in a pillow, and brother, man,
we're on fire.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
There's there's another thing before we get to the ceremony,
which is the Partners in Crime Challenge with Rachel and Zach. Oh.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, they've got twelve hours to claim the money from
the bb Bank. But there's a twist. And the twist
is Blue Dye repeatedly blasting them in the face every
time they grab a bag that has counterfeit money.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So they if they grab a.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Counter all of them except for Yeah, and it's a
big room full of bags. Yeah, like a big closet
full of bags. And then they have to take a
mug shot and then they go to jail for however
long until they're free.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Ten minutes or something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, but they I mean, it got so late. It
took them so long to do this that they were
starting to fall asleep in the jail.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, it was all night and the first thing that
I thought was, Oh, Rachel and Zach are gonna bond
during this, surely Zach is safe. Yeah. No, it turns
out that's not the case.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think, like, if I was stuck in jail with Rachel,
I'd be having a great time.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I'm sure, man. I mean, you guys just chilling all
night long, blue Dyes Dye, getting some pictures taken of you.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And she said it was the nicest jail i've and
then cut herself off. I guess because she didn't want
to talk about having been to jail in front of
her kids.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Very funny. I mean, she was a reality star back
when it was like Jersey Shore, you know, like reality
stars were like trashy and.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Went to jail and stuff, which he got a late
night chat with Ashley, Rachel and Will. Ashley tells Rachel, Eminem,
Mickey and Morgan don't want her to make it very far,
and Rachel's pissed. She's here to win, baby, and she'll
be doing that later in this podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
But big Brother, with your mother sitting on the couch
laying back, laid out big Brother.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm eminem, that was pretty solid, thanks, man. I mean,
is Eminem if he smoked like four packs a day.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm eminem. Julie Chin. Moonvez came home. I don't even
know what rise with Moonvez.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Julie chit Moonvez came home, gets less on the forehead.
I'm eminem okay, uh Morgan. Morgan tries. Morgan tries to
talk to Rachel to make sure they're cool. And this
is where she made a big mistake and we're gonna yeah,

(12:06):
we're gonna play this clip.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But that's not happening, Eric, And I'm not saying it
should or not.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I mean, I'm I'm different about that.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I just know that I'm aligned with you and I
want you and Jury can more games.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know that I'm not going to Jerry, No, Rachel.
I will be in this house until final three.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
If you guys think I'm going to jury, no, I no.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I meant I am not going to that jury house.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I meant like the checkpoint. That's what I'm saying. Sure,
but that is literally what everyone keeps telling me, and
I'm so tired of it.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
You can underestimate me.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
All you get to, Rachel. I have won this game.
I have played twice.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
You knew these think that you guys can tell me
what to do.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I've heard better, I've played with better.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
But I'm not telling you what to do, Rachel, I
never have. I'm trying to do hard as far I
possibly bet you just said you want me in the jury.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I meant like as far as.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Checkpoint, like not a check points playing.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Incredible. That's she's heard better, I've played with better. Let
me get your opinion on this, and I think I
know the answer justified crash out or do you think
that she really just misunderstood what Morgan was trying to say.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think Morgan could have worded it better, because she
don't want to mention jury to someone you're allied with
and then like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hopefully Freudian slip, Like she didn't mean to say jury.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think she meant to say it, like in the
same way that they say, like let's make them merge.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Okay, So you do think that she had the like
intention of like, I want you to make it to
that checkpoint with me.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, but I mean, if that's all you're promising, it's like, hey,
be here in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's not much and I want to see you tuesday.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I remember thinking maybe Rachel's over reacting a little bit.
But also this was right after she was warned that
Mickey and Morgan were kind of coming for so I
think it was probably justified. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
And then Rachel, still pissed, goes to Catherine and says,
oh hey, Morgan says, everyone wants to break up the show,
so you know, you would think this would be the
perfect opportunity to get Morgan out with Ava already wanting
to put her up, and no, Catherine does nothing.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, which was interesting, interesting play. Catherine decides not to
use her PVV. This is the very first time this
season that someone has not used the power of veto.
Oh I didn't think about that. Yeah, this is the
first time that someone on the block didn't win it.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And great job Catherine, because I mean, it worked out
for me. But it seems like my players might not
live to see next week.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
But we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And Zach is really battling with whether he should use
his advantage or not, and this was his moment to
use it. Man, so he decides he just can't risk
Morgan going home.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
He just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
He's got to save Morgan and put himself at risk.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Dumb move, bas big mistake. Yeah, I mean that throws
us right into episode seventeen. Uh where we're watching. I mean,
the whole thing is about the Big Brother Blockbuster competition.
It's the live eviction night. We see the three people
on the block, which is Zach Keanu and who's the

(15:19):
other person?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh, Vinnie, Vinnie the weasel, the.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Weasel, Yeah that's what is that what Ava keeps calling him?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, she calls him the lip, Vinnie, the little arn.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
She's so funny. It's very interesting because I think week one,
Vinnie first h o H of the season, seemed to
be liked by everyone. He's public enemy number one. Playing
both sides has officially backfired on him.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
There is no middle, as we'll find out later from Rachel,
but a big moment early in the episode.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Why don't you just meet me in the middle.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
We've got our next cover. You thought we just did
that for Survivor, But Chase is gonna have a fully
produced cover.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I'm gonna get Zaye Malick to actually do it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Please that that was a wild pull for Chase Man.
Thanks Chase, who listens like two songs a year, and
that was one of them.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
In twenty twenty nineteen, maybe that was one of the
two songs I listened to that man.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So a big moment early in the episode is when
Mickey and Ashley are talking one on one and Mickey says,
I need to figure out what's best for my game
and others games, and Ashley was majorly Ashley was majorly
put off by that comment.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, it wasn't insane thing to say, right, Like to
look at her and be like, yeah, I gotta I
gotta talk to some other people and see what I'm
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
She said, is this big brother or big dictatorship? Which
is hilarious also because big Brother is like about you
know the state.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yea, you know being watched by Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, She's like, is this big brother or big Brother?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
That would have been an even funnier line for her
to see.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Ye Actually, now let's talk about Egg Detective. Was there
a purpose to this bit whatsoever? Do you even remember
what was said?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I didn't even write down anything about it. It was
like they were trying to do Ava did such a
fun job when she did her whole bit last episode.
I think they tried to just kind of capitalize on that,
but it really didn't. It was just kind of pointless
tell he's reading a script.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
It was bad because there was no i mean, Ava's thing.
It wasn't like there was a payoff to it either,
but it was just off the dome. It felt like
this is something that she slipped into. This was like
he was trying very hard to be funny, to do
some egg based comedy for it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, it felt very written by by Julie Chin and
the producers.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Hey, don't put Juliet names.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I'm just saying yes.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So Morgan, Morgan finds out Zach could have used his
power and instead he chose to save or is choosing
to save her, and she's crying about how the only
way she can repay him is to give her her
vote against Vinnie. And which is really funny because the
previous scene we had just seen Vince with Morgan and

(18:26):
she's like him, yeah yeah, but at least, you know,
this time with Zach, she's now crying and saying that
she can't vote for Zach. And so we'll see if
that holds up.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I want to touch on something you just said, which
is one thing about Zach that I found kind of
interesting is you know, Riley's been getting a lot of
our hatred for being kind of manipulative and weird relationship wise.
I think there's something that he said about how Zach
has treated Morgan, where he's obviously been in a little
bit of a show man's with Lauren, but yet he's
been leading Morgan on and we even see some scenes

(18:59):
in this little compilation before he goes to her where
like one point he's like cuddled up with Lauren on
a hammock and then Morgan walks out and is like,
who's out there with Lauren and he's just like weird.
But then like then he feels the need to go
to her right before vote time. I think that was
an alliance thing though, Yeah, but it still feels like
he was kind of play because remember a few weeks

(19:21):
ago we got the whole thing where he was like,
you know, she's in love with me, she's obsessed with me,
but I like Lauren, but like maybe I'll lead her.
It's just it just felt kind of weird and manipulative,
which is fine because that's what you're supposed to do
with the Big Brothers, try to manipulate and make your
way to the end. But I did think it was
very interesting how he still kind of gets the good
guy persona when he straight up just goes to her

(19:43):
and he's like, you know, I, you know, I could
have taken myself off the block, but I was caring
about you girl, And she's like, oh, I need to
do everything I can to save him. Oh yeah. I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think the reason that we're all more on Zach's
side than we were with Riley's because he wasn't going
up to Morgan to being like, I'm gonna marry you
and there's nothing you can do about it, and then
we're gonna do it whether you want it or not.
And that's just how it is. And I think about
it twenty four to seven all day long, and if
you say anything it's contrary, I will cry in the shower.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And then just flip my dick around there. Yeah, what
an insane person. I can't wait to talk about him later.
But yeah, now it's time for the BBBBB CWC. That's
the Big Brother Blockbuster competition with Chase. Guys. There's four
stacks of gymstones. You have to move them one at
a time to get all of the same color gymstones

(20:33):
on the same stack. You cannot place them on the
ground the first one to complete, and buzz In wins.
This is obviously a very hard puzzle. All three guys
are struggling, but Keanu is doing his slow and steady bit.
Keanu is showing himself once again. Not only is he
a physical threat, he is very smart. He is way

(20:53):
smarter than a lot of people will give him credit for.
He wins by a mile. Later on, Vince is gonna
be like I was only two who pieces away. He
was not. I went back and looked.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, here's the thing. He should have been able to
do it in the Butler costume that he could have.
It would have handicapped him a little bit speed wise,
but he was taking his time. He was watching you,
sitting back, he was strategizing. He's smarter than people give
him credit for it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I feel for sure. Yeah, no, he I mean, that's
that's a hard puzzle. Zach nowhere near, which I think
says something about kind of his his strengths in the game,
and then Vince nowhere near. But he was doing better
than Zach, but still nowhere. I mean, Keanu has proven
time and time again he's a challenge beast, whether it's

(21:39):
a physical challenge or a intelligence or a puzzle. So
that means that it's Zach versus Vinnie.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Tonight, Savannah Bana versus Weasel versus detective egg Ny the Lip,
Vinnie the Lip, Detective egg Weasel, unemployed unemployed pizza guy
for paramount the I mean, let's just say the most
shocking part of this, which is that after the crying,
after all the stuff, Morgan doesn't vote for him anyway.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, it was very talking. Only two people voted to
help Zach.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean she did vote for him.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Excuse me. Yeah, Will stayed true to his word. He
got his vacation, so he did not vote to eliminate Zach.
And was it, Ashley? Who else do you remember?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
I'm I'm not only remembering Will right now. Who else
would have done it?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Lauren? Maybe? I don't know. Yeah, no, because she voted
against Zach. Okay, she gave I don't know if you
caught this. She votes to eliminate him, and she goes sadly, sadly, sadly,
looks like she's about to cry, and then she looks
up at the camera and smiles a little bit.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And I was like, yo, wow, play, I did not
catch that or at least I forgot dude.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
She's like, she's like Chrissy from last season of Survival.
We have not seen her other than a viction night
in weeks. She must not be very entertaining. Then I
guess crazy man crazy Zach goes home eight to two.
He does with the power in his pocket, which Julie.

(23:16):
I don't know if you watched the interview, Julie slaps
him with her cards.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I did, and apparently that was a callback to something
Julie did a while ago and Big brothers, so they
were freaking out about that. He was like in a
very exclusive club of people to get slapped by Julie.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Hey, I know you want to be in that exclusive.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I was, yeah, I'd love to be in that club
with the lemon drop. So let's go to the Sunday
Hit Special. But first, God, That's what Julie says on
her on her God one on one episode.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Are you setting up something because I'm not.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
I really I was just doing a bit like you.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
No, I have a whole thing about this. It's about
the guy. Yeah, well know about God?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
About God one on one about God?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, And it's a big thing that's come up a
lot online this week. I mean, let's just jump to it.
I mean, oh boy, okay, because I mean it was
a great segue.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Because Zach was on I mean I saw Zach was
on God one oh one, and she does the like, hey,
I'm with contestant, like the fifth contestant eliminated, but first God, dude.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So people are upset with Mickey because they feel like
Mickey is using religion as a manipulative tool in the house.
And I've been seeing this a lot, and I've just
been assuming that it's something in the live streams. It's
been on the episodes, right, But in this episode, when
she is talking to Rachel at the end of this episode,

(24:48):
she starts it off by going, hey, I've prayed with you,
I've prayed over you, and then she jumps into so
I need you to tell me the truth what is
going on. It's really interesting. Apparently on the live streams
it's been a big deal this season where a lot
of the people are very conservative Christians in the house.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I heard that she referred to voting Jimmy off as
a faith based decision.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
He's using it as a tool to manipulate people in
the house by going like, hey, I prayed for you,
I've prayed over you. Do what I tell you to do.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
If it works, great, strap but I don't think it's working.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
On Twitter. The big thing that blew up on Twitter
last week about this was someone said something about it
about something Mickey said, which was God, God did this
for me or something like that, and one of the
former Big Brother players responded with, God doesn't give a
about Big Brother.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I'm just like, I'm used to that kind of stuff
with football all the time, so it's just kind of common.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Different when it's like, yeah, you know we won the game,
thank you, versus Hey, look, I know we've got to
vote someone out at night. I've prayed for you, I've
prayed over you, and you know, God wants me to
tell you not to vote this person. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, if she explicitly said that and it worked, I'd
be like, this is amazing. This is the first like
cult leader gimmick I've seen on reality TV.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It would be very funny if if that's what she
said word for word.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, so Vicky did nothing wrong. Ever, that's my tick.
I mean, I don't like Mickey Jim Jones, That's who
Mickey is Now we'll call Mickey.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Jim joneses with John Jones.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, so in the start of this episode, we're gonna
talk about Mickey some more because Mickey's going right after
the Queen. In the very start of this she tells
Ashley will and maybe somebody else, maybe Ava Morgan. Yeah,
she's Rachel and Keanu. They're out of here and like,
and all of those people like Rachel and want to

(26:52):
work with Rachel. I mean they don't they don't give
about Keanu, but they like Rachel.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I saw something pretty pretty heart breaking about the Keanu
Rachel alliance that is that is formed. At one point
on the live feeds, Keanu and Rachel are talking and
Keanu goes, yeah, I mean the first few weeks in here,
I spent all day every day alone. No one would
talk to me. Oh it was like that. And Rachel
was like, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I

(27:20):
didn't know. I was like this, poor man. Keanu deserves
every challenge win that he gets. Is that why he's
following Ava around all the time? I guess so. I
think he's just wandering around hoping for someone to like
talk to him. I feel really bad for him because
I don't know why everyone hated him immediately.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, I don't get it either, But maybe because he
said he would pick him off one by one.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Maybe that wasn't until after he was already on the bottom,
that's true. Yeah that was like week three, man.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
So Keanu is the star of the season, like.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I think star to me. I mean, I think he's
the underdog for sure. And it's just so it's it's
entertaining to watch pulled himself off the block every single week.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I hope he can continue to do it even though
he's uh, he's finally free from it this week.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
So Ashley, Yeah, Ashley doesn't like it. Ashley respects the queen,
but she's just agreeing with Mickey to go along with it.
And also, yeah, Captain will not on board because he
is nobody's minion. He made sure to say right, and
then he's I don't take orders.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
From no one except for my wife. Yep. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Rachel Riley realized that she's on the ropes okay, and
she's like, I've got to win this. Hoh, and then
she we'll get into it. What happens in this h challenge.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Chase. It's h O H chase. Here everybody's favorite part
of the week. Guys. This is the prom after party.
And first thing, first, I have a bone to pick
with this challenge. We get a phone call from from
you know, everybody's dressed up like they were just at prom.
They're in like a little room. This is like a
slasher movie style challenge. It's a super cool challenge. The

(29:00):
phone rings, we hear a gravelly voice on the other
side of the phone, and I'm like, finally the Mastermind
is back. No, this is a new character called the
party Slasher.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I thought the same thing, dude. I was like, this
is the prime opportunity to bring back the Mastermind.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I don't understand why we put the Mastermind on ice
for this long.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I know, dude, it's getting to be ridiculous, you know,
A A one.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't know why I was replaced by depart and
sash When Armow word more fifty thousand dollars return, Yes,
the whole new perferre when Albo word.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Maybe they're about to fire you and they realize that
there's somebody else that they could pay damn a lot less.
Maybe that's what the CBS is cost cutting with the
with the Mastermind.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
He asked for too much money after he kidnapped Julie.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
He wanted too much stuff in his rider. I think too.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
He asked for golden sharpies so he can sign autographs.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yep, and rest in peace, Mastermind, rest in peace, Amy
his accomplice. So where were we we?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Uh? Guys? So basically the way that this challenge works,
which was a fun challenge. The Hoah challenges are always
super cool. You have five minutes to study the house
and memorize the six rooms inside. Each round, the party
slasher will give you a clue as to which room
will be safe to hide in or rooms plural. Before

(30:40):
you hide, you have to lock in your answers. The
last one standing wins h o H. So Round one
the slasher calls and he tells them you will be
safe in any room with three red flowers. So they
lock in which room or rooms that they think had
three red flowers, and then they go and hide in

(31:02):
that room. Round one, six people are eliminated in the easiest.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Round half the house Brother.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, only Kelly, Mickey, Morgan, Rachel and Will are left.
The next phone call go to the room with exactly
six candles. Everyone is eliminated except for Rachel, Kelly and
Morgan yep. In the next round, any room with a
clock set to midnight that time, Kelly is eliminated. Rachel

(31:31):
and Morgan are the final two. They go into the
last round, any room with more red cups than blue cups.
Rachel gets it correct, Morgan is eliminated. Rachel wins the
h oh. It's time to show these kids how to
play big brother.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
That's right, brother, because you know, as soon as it's
happened that Vinnie and Mickey and Morgan were shaking in
their boots.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
They really were looks terrified. It's Rachel, It's Rachel.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Rachel three six I'm just gonna do the EVA thing,
but make it with Rachel.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Rachel three sixteen says, I'm back, bitches.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Rachel three sixteen says, if you're coming from me, make
sure I'm wearing a gown.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
First, brother, Rachel three sixteen says, I know who I'm
putting up on the block this week, and there's not
a damn thing you can do about it. Amen.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
So yeah, they're all terrified. Uh, the goat is not
washed at all. And Ashley wants to paint a target
on Morgan and instead because the Rachel saw right through it,
Rachel wants to keep it on Mickey or or potentially
nominate them both, but she's Ashley was trying to get

(32:58):
the target off of Mickey. Rachel saw right through it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah. Yeah, Rachel sees through a lot of stuff in
this episode because then shortly after she goes to Kelly
because she realizes without Morgan and Mickey, she's gonna need
some more numbers. She goes to Kelly, who doesn't really
have some big allies in the house, and tries to
pull her in, just to turn around and find out
that Kelly's been talking mad trash, been throwing her under

(33:25):
the bus.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Disappointing for disappointing for Kelly because Kelly's like, I get
to have a friend. I finally, you know. And then
a few scenes later it's like, man, I thought I
had a friend for one day.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
You know what I like about Kelly though, is she goes, man,
I finally had a friend for one day, and I
blew it. It was my own fault. She owned her
own mistake. Yeah she did.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
But I think ultimately her and Rachel they're like they're
kind of cool, right, would say.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I think it's kind kind of like Rachel is not
gonna trust her, but she will use her as a
number going forward. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
And then so this is where I think you also
started to turn on Mickey really hard. This next scene
with Mickey and Rachel. Why don't you break that down?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
No, this one was the one where you know, and
I brought it up earlier when she said, Hey, I've
prayed with you, I've prayed over you. Yeah, so tell
me the truth what is going on? And Rachel comes clean.
She goes, look, I didn't like how you sent Jimmy
home without letting me in on it, without consulting me.
She you know, you broke our alliance right then, and

(34:43):
Mickey just completely tries to manipulate her and goes, I mean,
I understand how that's frustrating, but I really thought I
had your best interest in mind, and I've always had
your best interest and I've been playing as if you
were my ally this whole time. Hey, not three scenes
earlier is she looking at everyone in the house going
I want Rachel gone, and then and then Keanus after that,

(35:07):
but Rachel's first, I want Rachel gone. I hope her
and Riley getting married. That's how much I dislike her
right now. I hope that he is her next victim
where he's just like after the breakup which has happened,
which we got to talk about. I hope he goes
to Mickey next. He's like, girl, I've only ever loved you.
I didn't even like Katin. I was using kafin so
I could get closer to you. Girl.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Also, we don't know that there's a breakup.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Hey, it's yeah, we do do it.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay, if you've got hey, if you got a complete
like transcript and proof.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
But we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get it.
We'll get it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Get Rachel on the top of her game for this episode,
and it's gonna be a really fun Wednesday and Thursday
with Rachel's the HH.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I can't wait. I mean, she nominates Vince Morgan and
Mickey just like how she said she was going to.
She didn't sway off that she does a great job.
I think that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's a three for three on Team PD for the
for the block. But we got the I'm not concerned.
We have the video competition.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
We got the bus anything's possible, man, And.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
So best case scenario for me, I think it is
Vince goes home.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I mean, I think that's the best case for me too.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
You want you hate Mickey so much?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, but I'm not dumb. I know she's more entertaining
than Vince.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, I'm and you know what, this might backfire, but
I'm gonna stick up for my toxic Christian nationalist queen.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm just kidding. I leave, that's hilarious. Well here's the thing,
and you know what, before you defend her because she's
on your team, let me, as someone who has gone
on to call her a deceitful, lying cheat. Mm hmm. See.
I do think she's a very entertaining villain, and I
think that she's deserves to be in the game, and
I'm happy she's on the show. But I'm hating her

(37:04):
as a part of the show, you know what I mean.
I don't hate her in real life.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, maybe I would hate her in real life. I'm
not sure. But me and Mickey need to hang out first,
and then I'll be able to report back on that.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And you can invite her to Bible study.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, and then we could talk about how much we
hate Jimmy, hate Jimmy. Jimmy, Jimmy is the worst. Is
a faith based decision.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
To get him out of the game, Hey, dude, we're joking.
A lot of people online were like because they called
it a faith based decision to get Jimmy out, and
they were like, yeah, you're in a homophobic.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
What do you think the faith based part of that
was you No, No, he was in politics Washington, d
c AI. It was a faith based decision to get
rid of all that.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Dude crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I mean, look, I'm just trying to spin it. I'm
the head of Mickey's PR team. It's my new role.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Your PRPD.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, PRPD and I managed Mickey and Morgan and it's
been a tough week, especially with the toothbrush thing.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Go ahead and talk about that.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Once again, the most entertaining part of Big Brother is
not in the edit.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, the live feeds are pretty interesting. I've I've got
my first taste of watching the live feeds the other night,
and I didn't catch this.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
This is a highlight I saw.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
But for some reason, Morgan spots Zach's toothbrush in the
trash and she goes, why did someone throw this away,
And there's a very obvious answer to that question, which
is he just left. What would be the use in
keeping his toothbrush.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I think she even says something like, I mean I'm
not gonna save it and give it to him.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I mean yeah, She's like, I don't think I don't
know if he would want it, And I'm like, yeah,
I don't think he wants it.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Like what is this is the toothbrush I used on
Big Brother?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Is she gonna use it? I think like Riley would
do that if Catherine got.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Voted at something.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I found her tooth pressure.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I feel so close to her when I use my
tobe brush. I should left in the house. We talk
about that.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That segues us into what Chase wants to talk about
the most, which is America's favorite show, Matce Moon and Catherine.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Guys. I mean we what a week it's been for
the investigative reporting against Riley. I mean we were in
the thinking of this week. I wanted TikTok We made
a TikTok uh. We took the footage from the live
feeds of Riley being an unhinged psychopath. We put creepy
serial killer music under it, which really makes it even creepier,

(39:42):
and we put that out on on TikTok at Instagram.
It blew up. The comments have been a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
But Thursday night, I was watching the live feeds for
the first time, like I said, and around I don't
know two am, they cut to Riley and Catherine in
the shower and I'm sure you'll talk about together.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Not well, I mean one's in the shower, one's outside
the shower, but they're together.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Are you gonna talk about that interaction? That's that's what
I was going to bring up because okay, yeah, so
that was man, that was rough.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
The the amount. Like the whole season, it's been fun
online discussion of like this guy's crazy. It's heated up
to the point where most of the comments on all
of Big Brothers Instagram posts are you need to pull
Riley out of this game. Catherine's aunt makes a comment

(40:37):
on a TikTok saying that they have contacted production saying
that they're concerned about her safety with Riley Man. Then
we get the moment that PD caught on the lives
and which, by the way, dude, you're watching the live
feeds and you catch that moment.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Should I pull up my text to you that I
sent at four am or yeah, maybe that's when I
saw because it was like two am at California time.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It was in the middle of the night because I
was dead asleep.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, because I sent Chase this text literally like around
four am, which I I was like, I just need
to document this, like I need to I need to
write down that this happened.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I've got it. I've got it. Okay, we got it. Yeah, Sure. Friday,
at four twenty three am, I was up. I get
a text, I get a text. I've been watching the
feeds for the past couple hours. Riley and Kat kissed.
The feeds cut, they come back and Catherine is asking,

(41:35):
are we okay? Are we good? Do you want me
to leave? She then goes on about how great he
is and how no one has ever treated her so well,
and now Riley is crying in the shower and he
won't speak. Then seven hours later I respond with, ha
ha ha ha ha, I can't wait to find out

(41:57):
what happened. Well, then we find out what happen.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, because Chase one video.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yes, I find the video in its entirety.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I think it was pretty much the same thing. I
saw that the quality was so much better. I think
that might have been.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I think they were watching on Pluto TV. But
so Cat essentially tells Riley, Hey, we need to slow
things down.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
But that's we didn't kind of that though, didn't we,
Because I I've watched the video. She says that, Okay,
I thought we'd pull it.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Up so much because I think you're so great Riley.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, because that's where it started for me. And then
she's just like, I don't think we actually the slow
down thing is alleged because we don't have.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Uh video, Well, I thought, you know, I think I
just fell for the caption because the caption says Kat
told Riley they need to slow things down, and Riley as.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Crosby because I remember I read that and I was like, well,
I didn't hear that. And I was watching the feeds
from like two A or one AM to like five.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Four insane behavior.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I was just I got h oh spoiled for me,
and I was like, let's hop in, like I want,
I'm gonna dive in and see what these people are
doing well.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Regardless of like the actual line of we need to
slow things down, the conversation very much. Seems like she
has ended things with Riley and he's freaking out about it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, but he's such a sensitive guy. It could have
been anything. It could have not even been that serious.
She could have been like, we need to not talk
as much, or like, who knows what it could have
And then he totally desponded and she's caressing his elbows.
At one point in the video, She's like, you're in
the shower. What do you want me to do?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Dude? It's I mean, I don't think that he needs
to be like arrested.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, he's just being He's just being weird. It's not
a crime to be weird.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
He's definitely being insane. Like if this was like like
if this was my cousin, if Catherine was my cousin
and I went over to their house and that's how
they were acting, I'd be like, Hey, you need to
leave this guy. This guy is crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I just I don't think he's showing the total creepy
side to everybody else in the house. It's like, remember
Will came by at the end of that clip that
we posted the horror movie thing. His energy picked up
and he just he talked like it was Vinnie, but
then it was Will at like the very end of it,
and he's like hey, Cap, like good morning or whatever.
He just seemed like he flipped a switch and he

(44:29):
went from like weirdo lover boy to normal.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Guy to normal. And that's what everybody's picking up on too,
is like all of these conversations that we're seeing on
clips and in the live feeds from these insane interactions
are happening at like one point thirty in the morning
when they're by themselves.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So I need to keep doing what I did that Friday.
Just watch all night, dude.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I've I've found a kind of a whole thread of
every single insane thing that she has done in the
house so far. Should I read some yeah, to get
ins sure. At one point, Riley says that he needs
Catherine to wash his back, and by back, I mean
ass production immediately cutting Mike off.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
That's a weird one. Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Here's a video clip of the live feeds of him
wearing a blanket over him and then using his hand
to make it look like the blanket is going up
and up. Ah.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
She has to understand that people are watching this, right, And.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think that's why she's so uncomfortable. Riley's asking. Riley's
asking Catherine what she needs. She tells him she's good.
She asks him the same thing. He says, I only
need you. He then starts to cry and apologizes to her.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
He's I don't I just I don't understand. I don't
understand on any level.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I'm gonna try to find the worst one to end
out on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
See, but the pd PR team can only works so hard,
and we put all of our resources into Mickey and Morgan,
and we have no room for Riley, which is why
he was shipped off to Brand's team. And did I
strategically not tell Bran about all of this stuff we
had been seeing and hearing about. Yes, I absolutely withheld

(46:20):
that information so that he would be more willing to
take him. And I got what I wanted. He's off
of TMPD.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean I offloaded the one I didn't want.
You offloaded the one you didn't want, and it's worked
out for us so far.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
But Jimmy, gosh, I would much rather have Jimmy on
my team than Riley.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Like, I.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Wish I could swap them right now. I wish we
could just get Riley out put Jimmy back in.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, isn't that insane? All right? I mean there's several
where he's just like constantly trying to get her to
kiss him and sleep with him, and she keeps telling
him no, yeah, but she has yeah, she has now
been kissing it. But there are somewhere he's trying to.
I mean, at one point he's talking to the other
guys and he goes, are you guys and you trying

(47:09):
to get a show Man's going I'm not the only
one trying to in the house. That was insane, But
this is the worst one. This is the worst one.
I think Catherine's in the shower and he walks up.
He goes, got any more room in there? And she goes, Nope,
it's full. Wow.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
I mean, dude, I mean earlier today I saw a
clip of her with Ava and she's telling Ava like,
you know what, I'm not usually like I don't usually
like somebody like this, or like if I see somebody,
I don't want to see them again for a week.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But it's like, you know, she's what she was getting
at was that she really likes Riley and seeing him
every day.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Man, I don't either, But how about we we end
on a lighter note. And this is one of my
uh investigative journalism live feed reportings. Ooh, and this is
that Ava has a frozen seafood boil in the fridge.
And she said, I don't have many joys in life,
but this is one of them.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I saw someone complaining. They were like, how is Ava
allowed to sleep for like fifteen hours a day? Why
isn't production waking her up? And apparently that's something they do.
It's like if you sleep too much, they'll wake you
up and make you go do stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Maybe they just let it slide, thought it because it's Ava.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Hey, if I was Julie Chin Moonvesz, I'd be like, yo,
let her sleep. She needs a rest from carrying this
season on her back all day every day. Amen. And
that was the week.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
What are we on six recap?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I don't know, man, It's been crazy though really fun
week yep.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
And then join us next week we will have Rachel's husband, Brendan.
I'm just kidding, but that would be sick.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That would.

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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

Cardiac Cowboys

Cardiac Cowboys

The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.

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