George Gankas - Changing the Game: The Evolution of Instruction & Teaching Philosophies

Ready to shake up your golf game? Making the Turn Golf Podcast is back with an absolute gem of an episode, featuring none other than the maverick of the golf industry, George Gankas. Known for his distinct approach to golf instruction, George talks about his unique journey from an athlete to a highly sought-after golf coach, and the influence of his father and wife on his life and career. 

Listen in as George uncovers the secrets behind his teaching philosophy, the importance of stats in identifying weaknesses, and his views on the evolution of golf instruction. Plus, we delve into the concept of consistency in golf swings, analyzing the styles of Bobby Jones, Matt Wolf, Sam Snead, and Ben Hogan. This discussion will get you thinking about your own swing and how you can improve it through understanding these legends.

But that's not all. George also shares his thoughts on preferable golf swings, the struggles of perfecting golf and the significance of effective coaching in developing swagger and confidence in golfers. He gives us a glimpse into his life as a father and how it shapes his approach to coaching. And if you're looking to add some innovative training aids to your practice, George has got some recommendations. So, whether you're a novice or a pro, this episode promises to give you a fresh perspective on golf. Don't miss out!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Making the
Turn Golf Podcast with Double Dand the Dutch and man.
Are we pumped again?
Because I don't know how we doit, but we keep getting people
to agree to talk to us.
But this week is pretty coolbecause, in addition to having
Double D going with us, who isin the middle of just an
absolute personal landslide ofcool things happening in his

(00:29):
life, we had George Gankishimself take some time out of
his very, very busy schedule tojoin us on the podcast today and
talk all things aboutperformance.
Because if there's one thing Ido know about Gigi, it's that,
yes, he is very well known forreally cool swing videos and
really cool training aids, buthe does a lot more than people

(00:49):
see.
That's just not on Instagram.
So I think it's great to havehim on and have him share kind
of where he's coming from in hisspirit, because he has a very
different entry way to the game.
So you know, didn't startplaying golf to his a senior in
high school.
One year later breaks par andbeats his old man and you know
that was kind of the genesis ofit all and comes from a really
cool background to where, youknow, parents were both big into

(01:11):
bodybuilding.
So, george, I've spent a littlebit of time with him.
He's built pretty strong, buthe also is a wrestler and just
had this amazing athleticbackground and it seems to have
lent its way to golf.
And then it almost seems like,maybe, coming from a background
of teachers, he just kind offound his calling as a golf
instructor and couldn't shake it.
So, without further ado, theman to myth, the legend Gigi

(01:31):
himself, george Gank, is how areyou man?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm great.
Thank you guys for having me.
I'm excited let's get into it?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, man, so let's talk about that.
Do I have it right with yourdad like a gym coach, gym
teacher, something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, P teacher gym coach, and yeah, he was.
He was definitely, you know, abodybuilder too, not a
professional, but he was, he was.
That was big.
Hey, he's big, he was huge yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
So like that's kind of cool right.
So I always think it's kind ofinteresting when you meet
coaches who are really trying tomaybe do something or say
something that's very authenticto them but maybe isn't
perceived by everybody the sameway in which it's given right.
So I would say that you arekind of right now, the maverick

(02:22):
of the industry let's call it orthe renaissance man who's
trying to get back to, you know,motion and ball flight, instead
of worrying about what a golfwing looks like.
But like it just seems like youwere kind of almost born to do
this right.
Like you come from this reallyathletic background.
There's some coaching involved,there's some, there's some
leadership and some teaching.
Like all of a sudden you findyourself kind of doing more or

(02:45):
less the same thing, just alittle more specialized.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, you know, funny , you say that I just thought
about that.
That's the first time I'vethought about it that I was born
to do this.
It's probably with mybackground of, you know, being
an athlete and you know my momis now a psychiatrist.
I mean being a sportspsychology major.
I wouldn't say psychology.
I should say psychology becausethat's what I graduated.

(03:09):
That would be a lie if I saidsports psychology major.
But I've read so much forpsychology stuff while I was,
you know, playing golf.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean you were playing college golf with Rick
Sessinghouse.
You ought to have the flow allfigured out by now, my man, Come
on.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
How crazy is that?
That I went to school with himand we competed on the same team
is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I want to know what happened on that golf team,
because both you and Uncle Rick,as I like to refer to him, have
the most amazing heads of hair.
It's incredible Like that mustbe all hair like golf team of
all time.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's so funny because I never wear, you know,
anything but a hat, andeverybody's like why don't you
wear your hair?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm like when you do.
You do, though, bro, I give youcredit because you take it out.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
You must be the only golfer in existence who wears a
hat and has great hairunderneath, because every other
golfer takes their hats off.
But it's just a disaster.
It looks like they borrow thetop of the head of somebody else
.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I don't know.
I don't know, I'm going to tellyou right now.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
If George tells you the barber shop he goes to it's
somewhere in LA and it is thetrendiest spot ever, because,
George, he gets it going.
Man, it's not a Midwest haircut.
I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, my wife is my hairstylist.
She's a hairstylist, that'swhat she does.
So I got lucky to marry a ladythat can you know, fashion your
hair.
I guess you'd call it, but Idon't do it often, it's like a
couple of times a year.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
But that's like, that's your thing, man, like I
mean, you know it's.
It's such a weird world we livein, dude, and you know we all
say we hate Instagram and wehate having to do that stuff,
but at the end of the day, we'reall addicted to it too, you
know.
So it's.
You know we, we all we have avery love hate relationship with
it.
And I think when you, when youlook at you as a commodity you

(04:53):
know, as George Gankes is thegolf instructor product that
people view you via social media, you know you're out there in
Gucci slides in Montclair Parkasand, like you're at a public
range, whack and bought, like Imean, it's got a weird, like I
shouldn't say weird, but it'sgot a very non-traditional vibe
to it, man, and I applaud thehell out of you, dude, because I

(05:13):
think that's the entryway thatpeople are looking for.
If you break down this massive,you know amount of new golfers
we have coming to the game, like40, 50% of it's non-traditional
coming into the game, dude.
So I think you're on it, man,and I think that the way you
teach golf is on it, and I thinkthat the story, if you want to
share maybe a little bit aboutit, about how kind of you and

(05:34):
Matt got together, man, becauselike you had a very
non-traditional way of kind ofapproaching Matt.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that.
First off, you know my styleand everything is probably just
comfort.
You know what I mean.
And that Montclair jacket wasfrom one of my really sweet, you
know lessons the Townsend'sMosse, and I don't have that
much style that I could pullthat off.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But you did anyway, which I appreciate.
It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Funny that I've never known that anybody knew what
that brand was, because I didn'tknow what it was.
I put it on and everybody'slike whoa, those jackets are
sick and I'm like, cool, I guessI'll wear it.
But anyways, yeah, between youknow Matt and I and you know his
, you know swing, that'sobviously not what we'd call
normal.
You know, the first time I sawit I thought it was cool, you

(06:30):
know, and I like a lot of theold styles.
You know I like the cross, theline, I like the foot off, I
like you know the full turn.
You know, those are the things.
I like it when somebody rotatesinto a shop that shallows and
it just moves by itself, and hisstuff did it by itself.
A lot of cool stuff was there.
When I saw it and you know mostprobably not everyone, but most

(06:52):
coaches probably would havetook a different approach and
said you know, you got to getthat on plane.
But you know I love Freddiecouple swing.
I like you know I've liked JimFurick swings.
I like a lot of swings thathave character, you know, and
that have a ball pattern.
That they could produce overand over has always been what's
important to me and I think thatMatt was really good at, you

(07:15):
know, solid contact.
When I met him, all patternsweren't where he wanted, but he
could miss it a certain way.
He just didn't like hooking itbecause he had a big slinger is
way under, you know, peopledon't realize it, but he was
anywhere from 10 to 15 into out,whether it was because of body
lines or just under, you know,but he was in relation to where
he was trying to aim his target.
He was, you know, 10 to 15 intoout, you know, and you know,

(07:39):
five to seven right with thespace and he was slinging it.
So he wanted to stop hooking it.
You know, when his body stoppedfrom into out, the face shut
down and he'd start online andover hook hard and he hated that
shot.
So, basically, you know we hadsome options, you know work on
getting that face to stay outright, or work on rotation and

(08:03):
getting the path more left.
And it was a simple call forboth of us and it was
interesting when we startedgoing more left, as you know, as
a coach, you know his face wasout eight degrees right.
So now, all of a sudden, theball is going straight to
straight right and then cuttingand I'm like, well, you know
what the fuck?
And I'm like, all right, well,either we need to learn to close
the face a little bit and youhave the weakest grip on the

(08:24):
planet.
So you know, your path is justright to that open face and it
works.
But let's get this thing alittle more shut.
I said, let's strengthen yourgrip.
He's, I'm doing it.
And I'm like, all right, well,your grips like this, it looks
like a little kid grip.
I said, you know, then we gotto learn to flex it and it's
going to be hard to flex thatfrom where your grips at let's

(08:44):
get.
And he did right away where itwas like, and it still flex and
hit it solid and could rotatewith it no more.
Maybe you're the only guy onthe planet who can do that, but
you're doing it.
So I just, you know, I thoughtit was cool what he was doing
and I didn't think that it wasmy place to change it,
especially, you know, after wemade some changes, he started

(09:07):
like shooting some ridiculousnumbers and you know, and
honestly, he doesn't hit anydifferent now he still stripes
it all day.
You know, scoring is adifferent art and mental
mentality is a different art.
You know that's.
That's some things that he's.
He's getting trying to getbetter at now.
But if you watch him hit it,you go.

(09:28):
I don't know how this guy evershoots over bar.
It's just true.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
George?
George, can I ask you just onecomment you made there about
studying some of the great oldswings and you know, I
understand that, that you knowyou're an incredible student at
a game and particularly when youwere starting out, you just
went so deep in terms of lookingat old tour swings and went all
the way back.
And you know, looking atsomebody like Bobby Jones, you
know who was playing the gamenearly a hundred years ago.

(09:53):
Well, he was playing the gameover a hundred years ago.
What can you see in that swingthat that completely traverses
that century in between when hewas at his prime and now?
And what can people now takefrom that swing and and apply it
as a sort of relevant learningtoday?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
We're speaking of Bobby Jones, correct?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
We are speaking of Bobby Jones, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think that one, if you look at his club, would get
cross aligned.
His heel would come off theground, which is super normal
now.
I mean, people are starting toget back towards that.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think the phone is where he probably naturally went
.
So, to not come off topic butto move back into that, I see
people that go, I want to beconsistent, and it's a topic
that I have with a lot of people.
I go what does that even mean?
You know what I mean.
I want to be consistent and Isaid, well, go ahead and just
swing one, and they'll swing itand it'll slice, and it's not

(10:55):
consistent.
I said, hit another one, butdon't think same slice.
I said you're pretty fuckingconsistent.
You just don't like yourconsistency.
So what you know, what I meanit's it's that can't be
consistent.
They see a ball fly right andthen they adjust with grip or
feet or something, but if theyjust shut their brain off and
hit their same shitty shot, theycould play golf, you know, and
they'd have a predictablepatterns.

(11:16):
When you try and changesomething that's making us not
consistent, is that thementality or your mindset that's
creating that, or are you justalready consistent?
You don't like it.
Now, the point being is, whenyou look at Bobby Jones, I'm
sure a lot of this stuffhappened.
Naturally they didn't havevideos.
They had video, but they didn'treally probably studied as much
as we do now, not even close.

(11:37):
So I think a lot of thosethings were natural for him to
where he was fluid.
Probably didn't know much whathis golf swing looked like, had
some grip, posture, stuff thathe did over time.
But when I look at it, whatmakes it still relative today is
the length of it and the amountof turn is huge and that's what
we still are, you know,acquiring to do.
I've got guys that I get,honestly, you know you could

(12:00):
even ask John Payton, who'spretty much Steve Payton's
brother.
You know he's 64, 65 almost.
I probably got him more than 30yards and it was.
His shoulders were only 45 andhe thought he couldn't turn.
So I started to extend his legs, started to retract his trail
shoulders, got his hands overhis head and that's what I feel

(12:21):
like Bobby Jones did.
Naturally he had a big fluidswing and with a bigger turn
like that and you start to useyour body properly in the
downswing, the shaft gets youknow on your form and in a
position that you can deliverover and over with a ball.
That's controllable and I thinkthat that's what he did really
well.
He rotated through the ball.
There was a lot of great thingshe did.

(12:44):
That we still do and I thinkthat that's what people forget
is when you see Matt Wolf therewhen he comes down he looks like
everybody else at P six, whenthe shafts parallel the ground
in the downswing and even P five, it's nothing that's abnormal.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
To jump into, George, on what you're saying there.
I mean you unpack some reallygood stuff there and consistency
, I think, is kind of somethingthat is very misleading, right?
Because, to go back tosomething you said earlier, you
know there's no doubt in my mindthat when you met Matt and he
was 14, 15 out and hanging aface of seven to eight to make

(13:20):
the ball land on target, that heabsolutely roasted it Like
there's just absolutely no doubtin my mind.
But the issue is is that if hemisses that face, even by just,
let's say, you know, three, fourdegrees, that ball is gonna
start more or less dead at thetarget and then just turn over
and it's roasted and instead ofchipping that miss, you got to
get another ball out of the bagbecause it hits and goes because

(13:42):
the spin rate is so much lower.
So you're.
I think the hard thing withbeing a coach is that you know,
especially with you, that workswith a lot of better athletes
that can really move the golfball is.
You watch them hit a great golfshot and they're like see, take
that coach.
And you're like, yeah, that'sgreat, but you do that 10 out of
a hundred times.
But 10 out of a hundred times.
You also have this miss basedout of that pattern and that's

(14:05):
what really kills your round.
So if you look at how youdeliver the club, you're super
consistent.
But to your point, with thatface to path changing all the
time, all of a sudden, theconsistency near the hole where
the ball finishes is changingall the time.
And that's what they say whenthey want consistency.
All they're trying to say isthey wanna look like a PGA tour
player on Sunday more often.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, absolutely.
And the funny thing is is thatyou know, for Matt, in defense
of when he was 13, when I firstmet him, it wasn't you know one
or 10 out of a hundred times, or10 out of 20.
It was like it was still prettydamn good.

(14:46):
It was like out of 20, I'd saythree shots would be hooked, you
know what I mean.
And so when he didn't do thatin a round, it was low.
And when he did do it, you knowhe was shooting 74, 75s, and so
in his defense or anybody'sdefense, it could have still
been done, but, like you say, onSunday, when he's not feeling

(15:07):
right, it could be a big deal,you know.
So those are things that areobvious, that we changed over,
you know, a short period of time, but it was.
I think it was worth it forsure.
But yeah, I think theconsistency there is, there was
such a big spectrum.
And then you could also say,hey, listen, this guy's path is

(15:29):
zero, it's perfect.
But then his face is threedegrees right, and now his ball
is going 60 degrees right, andthen if it's phase three left,
it's going six left, and thoseare both missed.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't think zeroing out the way to go either.
Just for the record, like Iwouldn't say that, like zero is
better than 13.
I'm not trying to make thatstatement.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
No, no, I know you weren't, but that's a
conversation that people shouldhave.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
George, george, can I ask you and this is quite a
binary question which swing thatyou've seen have you loved the
most?
I mean, you talked about Matthaving an action that
immediately appealed tosomething inside you because it
was so different but so powerfuland fast, and you know all the
things that we've discussed.

(16:13):
But in your extensive study ofthe golf swing you had to pick
one.
Which would it be and why?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think Sam Snead would be a really good model for
even present day, just becausea lot of the stuff was.
He was in motion.
He brought it back pretty muchright in a great spot up top.
He had a long, fluid swingwhich is going to last a long
time full turn.
He rotated really hard throughthe ball.
There's just a lot of his hipdepth, his pelvis tilt and his

(16:47):
left bend up top and his fullturn created such good legwork
in the down swing.
I just think that there's a lotof good stuff that anyone can
learn from Ben Hogan whetherit's even a setup I like because
he was a taller guy and he hada very balanced setup.
He had a great you knoweverything there that I like.
I thought what I like is thatP2 left arm parallel to the back
line and I think there's a lotof guys who go outside and then

(17:12):
reroute later and get deeper.
You look at Wolf who's wayoutside it, freddy couple's way
outside it.
There's a lot of good AdamScott.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
There's a lot of guys that aren't in that model but
you know, when I see guys thatare in that and Sam Snead's kind
of like takeaway model and uptop, I see them hit it pretty
well, but I think that's becausethe body's driving the pivot,
right, george, like I don'tthink you're wrong there,
because if you don't see thatright, let's talk about, like,
the club being way up right,they're getting into radio

(17:40):
deviation and basically they'rejust trying to move the club
head behind their body byretracting the right arm into
their rib cage and there's nopivot at all, right, like that's
just literally trying to throwthe club head over your shoulder
.
By the way, real quick, realquick.
I have got.
By the way, just so I'm notremiss because I got it out, not
that I had to look very hard,but, dude, you make us all

(18:05):
better.
Man, like, your training aidsare amazing.
I know if you're listening tothis you can't see what I'm
holding up.
I'm holding up a G-box, rightPart of the G-series, which I
absolutely love.
We got the snappy wrist guy,we've got the boxes, we've got
adult junior size.
I mean I think it's a reallygreat training aid.
Dude, I love what they do.
But what I wanted to talk aboutI don't know what you're

(18:27):
calling it officially, but theflappy bird or the flapper dude
I think this thing might bemaybe the best training aid to
come out since the pro sender.
Ooh, that's a big statement.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
The bird.
We just didn't know what tocall it.
And still, our launch isprobably in the next three weeks
and they're like, okay, we gotto call it like the G-slot, but
because one, what it does is one.
When you get your trailshoulder to go external, it just
snaps on your back and it'sreally simple.
And then when you do it and youcan't reach it, let's just say

(19:01):
I'm standing up, I turn and Ihave forearm rotation, the thing
will snap for your forearm.
And the cool part is is if youjust turn to the top, it'd be
like a pretty damn good position.
But that doesn't mean you haveto use it like that.
But people are snapping itright at P2, some are snapping
it in transition, some are at P3, but the guys who do it like I

(19:24):
don't know it's a good matchupfor a G-snap, because when you
do that, not the face opens withthe flappy bird and your lead
or trail wrist going intoflexion or extension are a
really good matchup for it andit feels very pivot oriented
once you get there, which iswhat we all looking for.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
George, I wanna sort of just rewind a little bit.
I mean, you've had a, you knowyou have an extraordinary career
.
You've now got all theseincredible training aids that
are part of the sort of GeorgeGankis brand and helping golfers
to get better.
What was the sort of moment ofepiphany that because I'm a
writing thing, he didn't reallycome from a golfing background
he took up the game late.

(20:04):
What was?
Do you remember that momentthat you fell in love with golf?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, I think I fell in love with it when, when I
think it'd be probably reallyearly, like 1920, when I thought
all sports were pretty easy,and then I realized that golf
was really hard and you know Icouldn't figure it out but I
thought if I started the swingthat I could perfect it.

(20:33):
Then I was absolutely wrong.
You know what I mean.
I thought that I personallycould figure out you know how to
put something on repeat, day in, day out, and no matter what I
did, you know the longest that Icould go is probably six weeks
without any adjustments to wherethings didn't get whacked.
You know what I mean.

(20:53):
Like I could have a constantball pattern and say I found
this for life, and thensomething would go off and of
course we don't know if it was alittle ball position that got
you back and you hit a coupleblocks or hooks and then all of
a sudden you start tryingsomething different, whether
it's with alignment or with yourswing, and so that's probably
my first infatuation is reallyearly trying to figure out.

(21:14):
Like, if you know I couldcreate something that I could do
over and over and be like amachine, almost like a Monormon,
and I couldn't, but I tried.
You know what I mean.
But I still, I still try tothis day, and I play a lot of
good golf.
I'm sure you guys do too, but Ialso play some shitty golf, and
I think that no one's everreally figured it out.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I don't think anybody I mean, the only thing
that we've all proven, george,is nobody has all the answers
right, because nobody's having100% success rate out there,
like nobody.
Like, I don't care how good youare.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Even the tour players that are really, really good
and then they lose their games.
And a lot of times we lose ourgames because we start looking
for the wrong shit instead ofgoing back to what we were doing
when we were hitting it good,Especially on tour.
I mean, they have all their,they have everything on tour
that just shows when they wereplaying their best golf.
So it's like why changesomething from where it was the

(22:10):
best they've ever played or hit?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
it Makes no sense to Look at what Victor Hovland's
done.
I mean I think it's genius,right, like I mean he's pretty
much on the record that, hey, Ikind of found my golf game and
found really good golf inOklahoma when I was going to
school here and instead of likemaking a pile of money and
moving down to Florida andchanging everything, including
his environment, he was like I'mgoing to stay here and keep

(22:34):
getting better and I mean that'skind of more or less what he's
done.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
He has done it and you know it's For Victor from
the very start, when I first methim when he was at Oklahoma and
I knew who he was before he wasat Oklahoma State and obviously
I know him pretty well.
He's been hitting the ball gooda long time and not to take
away from Jeff Smith or JosephMayo who's with him now, but

(22:59):
that kid has never reallystruggled ball striking.
I mean, I watched him play abunch of practice rounds and I
remember telling him the firsttime that I ever saw a Mrs shot
on the course was a.
He had like 2.15 and it was apin that was.
I forgot where we were atWhatever.
It was a part three and heblocked one a little right and
I'm like you know what?

(23:20):
That's the first shot I've everseen you miss on the golf
course.
He's all not a chance.
I'm not kidding.
I've never seen you miss a shot, like when I say miss a shot
like a real quick hook or block,like something that you'd
consider was fucking pretty badfor yourself.
It wasn't even, but it was thefirst one that was like almost a

(23:41):
foul ball and I was like he'shuman.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, george, how you talked about ball striking
there and obviously you know alot of the players you work with
are supreme ball strikers.
But can people get too hung upon ball striking?
Because there are manydifferent ways to play, there
are many different ways to playthe game and there's many
different ways to skin a cat andthere's many different ways to
get the ball in the hole.
I mean, I play, I've played inBritain I've got an old

(24:06):
fashioned sort of you knowinverse C finish.
I'm a bit of a picker, not aflusher, and we're working on it
.
We're working on it with thedooch, but do you think people
can get too hung up on literallymunching it every time?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I think that I have a .
I mean I probably have.
I've got guys that are prosthat I do.
That dude's good, what's heshooting?
I go, dude, he's been playinglike a year and a half and
probably shoots 85.
They're like what the fuck Like?
I'm like, yeah, these guys can,can hit a ball where I didn't
learn that first.
I learned to play golf first.
You know what I mean.

(24:45):
I mean I tried to hit it goodfirst, but I learned to score
immediately.
You know I was over on thewedge game, working on 10 feet
and then putting, you know, justmaking contact, moving the ball
forward and creating a ballpattern that I could trust and
just get it in the hole.
And I think that a lot of theseguys now start out to where
they learned to hit the ballgood, but they don't know how to

(25:07):
get the ball in the hole yetbecause whether they have
distance control, they miss bothways.
They can't putter, chip, theydon't work on it.
You know, whatever it might be,I think that people learn way
different and I think that nowlet's get the swing perfect and
I can score.
And that's some bullshit, as weknow.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So let's jump off there.
Let's jump off there, my man,because, like I think what
you're saying there is pure gold.
Because you know I'm quote,unquote the force plate guy.
And you know, dude, people cometo me all the time, fly into
Detroit, you know, want to geton the force plates because they
think I have the golden ticket.
Because, like, there's thisflawed way of thinking that
amateurs have right, which istechnique, is the only way I've

(25:47):
got to make more twos, threesand fours, to shoot lower scores
, instead of making less sevens,eights and, you know, sixes.
So I mean, it's like we got tokind of think about this
differently.
And I think, if I had to guessGeorge, to kind of piggyback off
my man double D, you know, I'msure that the type of people
that walk up for a golf lessonwith you, you probably walk up
half time.

(26:07):
You're like, holy shit, likethat guy hits it pretty good.
You know what I mean.
Like, makes a good move out ofit.
It's a nice ball flight, good.
Like you look at it on, youknow, jc, in the yellow
briefcase I see you stillrocking in the flight scope.
You know the whole bit and it'slike it all looks good man Like
what?
Like what are you going to dowith that guy?
But then you talk to him andyou're like dude, what's your

(26:28):
status?
Like right now, I don't know, Idon't have any.
Well, why don't you have anystatus, bro?
Like I don't know, man, like Ifeel like I hit it pretty good
and it's like okay, man, well,maybe we need to work on the
other parts of the game insteadof just hitting the ball.
You know what I mean.
Like let's go.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, I mean, that is some stuff that I think as
coaches you know for me now, I'mkind of a freak in the fact
that I've always developedjuniors and I've always
developed players.
And now I'm getting 20handicappers or I'm getting guys
that I see for one hour andthey fly in for one or two hours
and, like you said, they expectyou to change their whole game
and some of them are getting itpretty good and I'm like, why

(27:04):
are we over here when we shouldbe in different areas?
Why are you not scoring?
What are your stats saying what?
What exactly?
Why don't take stats?
I'm like, well, there's aproblem right off the bat.
I mean, and some people don'tneed to take stats, like me.
I used to tell my college coachI don't need to take stats.
I know where my weaknesses areand I do know where my and I'm
sure you do, we all do.
We all know that if we hadsomething fixed, we'd feel a lot

(27:26):
more secure on the golf course.
You know whether it's tight,lies into the grain, fucking
short pins, tech pins, whateverit might be that you don't feel
comfortable with.
We could go out there and put alot of time into it and get
better at it, and I think thatwhen people come to me, a lot of
times it's pure mechanics,mechanics, mechanics, and I get
a lot of guys that are juststarting and people think I just

(27:46):
work with good players probably.
But I work with so many docsand that's fun for me too, as
I'm sure it is for you.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I love it.
Sometimes tour guides areboring because you know they
don't want to change, they don'twant to hear you Like, they
just want to like do what theyalready know how to do and
already makes money with youknow what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like and fucking.
You don't, you can't blame them.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Shit, I don't Just your point, your point about
people having you know, knowingtheir, their sort of weak spots.
Do you think that's actuallytrue?
Because I think that mostgolfers have an internal set,
internal narrative about theirgame.
But what statistics or whatdata?
If they're diligent aboutcollecting it, more often than

(28:26):
not it will show up something intheir game that is runs
completely counter to thisnarrative that they've built up,
and the narrative is oftenbuilt up around emotion and
around scar tissue and aroundthings like that.
Well, actually, the truth is isoften much simpler.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, you're correct on that, I would.
I would not argue your point atall.
I think that I think that a lotof people, when they actually
do take really detailed stats,do find some surprises and where
a lot of people go I'm aterrible driver on this and then
you find out that they'reactually gaining strokes on the
field and you're like you're notthat bad.
So so you're correct on that.

(29:02):
Some people, you know, somepeople kid themselves into
saying they're great putters andthat doesn't hurt you.
But realistically, we look atyour stats and from like eight
feet, and then you're not thatgood.
Let's work on that.
You know what I mean.
So yeah, I agree with you theretoo.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know, if you, we had Sean Foley on.
He was our last guest.
Love Sean, he's a good dude,but I look at him, yeah, so we
were.
We were talking and there's astory that just I was reminded
of.
You know, Justin Rose and Seanwere still working together at
the time and Justin was in theshort game area, I guess, giving

(29:39):
it to Sean pretty good, abouthow he was the worst chipper in
the world and Sean went over andpulled the strokes game and
like comes back over and showsJustin he's actually the best in
the world at it, and you knowwhat I mean Like just totally
blew Justin's mind and reallychanged his outlook on it.
But you know something that Iread I can't remember if it was

(30:00):
the GQ article you did or one ofthe other amazing pieces that
you're always featured in butyou know, one of the guys took a
lesson and was veryapprehensive about working with
you because they you know,they're not a great player, self
admittedly and you were likehey, man, like I'm a doctor,
like I'm not going to just likewalk up to you and tell you suck
, you know what I mean.
Like I'm not going to tellyou're dying of cancer.
I'm going to try to give yousome possible solutions and like

(30:22):
talk you off the edge, but likethat's what you're saying right
.
There's people that, likeJustin Rose, who need that data
to feel good about what they'redoing.
But then there's other guys who, like you in college, like hey
man, like I'm out here doing mything and like I got enough
going on to where keeping staffis only going to get further in
my way and like you got to knowthe difference, right.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, 100%, and maybe my philosophy was wrong.
I can't say it was right.
I was not a world beater, but Iwould say that you know, day in
, day out, you know shit.
You hit fucking.
You block five drives in thefucking woods.
You know damn well, you're nota great driver.
You know what I mean.
It's not that hard to feel.
You know what I mean.
So you know, I've always knownwhere my weaknesses were, in my

(31:04):
opinion, and now I would say Iknow exactly where my weaknesses
are down.
To have time to work on themand are they that important to
me, you know, depends on howmuch golf I want to play.
You know what I mean, Right?
I mean it's different aroundit's.
It's there's.
As long as I'm not losing ballsand as long as you know I'm not

(31:28):
hitting in the hazard and I'mnot three putting, I can shoot
under par.
You know what I mean and that'sprobably the biggest key to my
game for playing.
Everything else is is decent towhere.
If I keep him play I'm I am notprobably going to shoot much
over par.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
George, I wanted to ask you just to get into the
jumping around a bit and Iapologize for that, but Podraig
Hinton is a character characterI've come across quite a quite a
few times in my career.
When I was at the depths of myworst chipping problems, podraig
said that he could cure me andthen singularly didn't cure me
in front of a crowd of people atRoyal Liverpool, which was one
of the most humiliating momentsI've ever had in golf.

(32:06):
I will never forget that.
But Podraig is an incredibleguy, has an incredible mind.
He is an amazing, has anamazingly inquiring mind.
He's always looking for an edgeas a coach, you know, and
somebody who not only a coach,but many people have described
as a mentor.
What is the challenge ofworking, or what's the joy of
working, with somebody who is soinquiring and is so questioning

(32:28):
and has a mind that's so alertand agile?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Well one.
I did, obviously, work withPadrick for a couple of years or
a year and a half, whatever itwas, and it was probably some of
the most enjoyable times of mylife.
I mean, honestly, my wife loveshim, I love him.
You know, Ronan is caddy, Ilove him.
I think that they're a greatduo and I think that he's very
you know information seeking atall times and I thought it was

(32:54):
some of the most fun times thatI had teaching.
So when I get a coach that Idon't even know is a coach, I go
.
You ask a lot of good questionswhat do you do?
And like well, I teach out ofyou know, wherever they're
teaching, and I'm like oh,that's probably what I enjoy
most is when people arequestioning what I'm teaching.

(33:14):
Not in a way that they'requestioning, you know,
philosophies.
It's questioning what they'velearned in the past and why
would I want to teach this overthat?
That stuff, that's fun for me.
I don't even mind debates, Ilike that too.
That's fun.
And when somebody comes andthey really want to learn
certain things and they've hadthese preconceived notions of

(33:36):
what should happen, and thenthey hear this and they go, why?
I love talking about stuff likethat.
It's not that, hey, you have todo this or you have to do this.
That's really not me.
It's just when someone startstalking shit.
I enjoy that too.
I enjoy a lot of differentaspects of golf conversation.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I think the thing there, though, that really comes
through with you.
I've spent time with you.
We had a great talk at Augusta.
I got to spend some time.
We were out watching Matt andJames Pye at Augusta National,
and we spent a good amount ofthat afternoon just talking.
But this idea that when youreally are trying to be outright

(34:22):
and forthright with yourinformation, you know it's like
I don't disagree with you.
I don't mind when people ask mewhy, as a matter of fact, I
prefer it.
I hate golf lessons where Ijust feel like I just hammer the
person and it's just like I'mthe only one talking because
there's no learning going on.
I mean, we both know thatthey're just kind of all or
whatever happens to them.

(34:43):
You really got to figure out away to communicate with that
person.
But I think the thing that'sreally challenging is getting
people in our industry to maybenot look so far backwards and
I'm not saying that we can'tlearn a lot from these great
swings, because of course we can, and I think that there's some
amazing things that we can learn.
But at the same time, the taskthat they were being challenged

(35:05):
with was a completely differenttask than that of what we have
today, with a completelydifferent golf ball.
Therefore, the modeling has tochange because the golf ball
does something completelydifferent.
And it's like I think guys likeyou are trying to move the
needle forward and advance thetopic, just as I'm trying to do
with what we do, but at the sametime, it's like there's also a
lot of people, man, they don'twant to hear it and it's kind of

(35:29):
a weird industry and we're at aweird point in our industry
because I really think there's achanging of the guard of foot
and I don't know that the guysthat are being changed out
really want to be changed out.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
No, I think that you're absolutely correct in
that, and I don't think.
I think you're way younger thanme, but like I think that the
next generation of kids are sosmart, I do, I believe that
they're very.
How old are you?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm 38.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah Well, you'd be right around the area that I'd
say is going to take overbetween, probably like 27 and 38
.
Those are the guys that aregoing to take over the teaching
area, the teaching of, you know,our next generation, and I
think that it's importantbecause I think some of these,
these what I'd call kids, havestudied under so many people.

(36:19):
They're all like little comos,you know, trying to sponge from
everybody, and I think that'sthat's the thing that is very
important for me.
I didn't sponge from reallyanybody.
I kind of cheated by spongingoff players, like I just watch
players, watch players, watchwhat they did, wanted to learn
myself, went out and played,experimented with myself, and

(36:41):
not saying myself, I probablycould have accelerated my, my,
my information and how I didthings a lot quicker if I would
have opened up to other peopleand ask for like stuff, and I
kind of wish I did, but I neverdid.
I'd just be like, all right,well, I'll try this or I'll try
this or try this, and sometimessome of the things work, but

(37:03):
they they have to be matched upwith something else.
You know what I mean.
If I'm going to be a guy who'sreally throwy here, I better
have my pivot moving forward forlike a wedge.
But if you don't match that up,this shit doesn't work.
And now all of a sudden you gothis doesn't work.
Well, of course it doesn't,because you ain't doing it right
.
You ain't matched it withsomething else.
So someone said do something inmy golf swing.

(37:23):
I better match it up If I feellike I should move pressure off
70, 30 to P.
Third three I better learn torecenter.
How do I recenter?
I could recenter over here.
I could recenter over here.
I can recenter the proper way.
I mean there's different waysto get your scale to read 50, 50
.
You know what I mean.
And there's different ways toget pressure 90% on the left or

(37:44):
90% on the right.
They all have different looks.
So that's another thing thatwith with force plates that I've
looked over time, I'm like bro,I could get 90% of my pressure
on my right heel like this,without any tilts, or I could
get it on with the prop.
You know what I mean.
So.
So looking at data is notalways is perfect.
So those are the things I thinkthe next generation is going to

(38:05):
be so far ahead.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Well, you're absolutely right, though you
said something that I thoughtwas really key, because I'm one
of the guys that has definitelywent and sponge, and, you know,
the thing that's been reallygood for me is that I got, kind
of fortunate, to where I didn'treally know anything at all.
You know, I was just a youngcoach that had played a lot of
golf and figured some stuff outfor myself and was like just,
you know, trying to figure itout.
So what was nice, though, islike I kind of had to learn the

(38:30):
body through force plate first,like that was kind of how I
learned it, and then the coolthing was is then going back and
learning about how the clubmoves and becoming a track man
master.
I think that's what's reallybeen.
Cool is like understanding howthe body and the club and then
what we want the ball to do.
From a ballistics term, I meanbeing able to kind of put the
pieces together, man.
I mean it just makes it so mucheasier to teach golf instead of

(38:53):
being stuck with hey, the onlything I can do is wrist angles,
because that's all I've everlearned.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I agree.
Or you know, trying to moveyour path left by just using
your arms over the top orsliding, because that's the only
way to get it into outer.
Keeping your chest closeforever because you think a draw
can't be hit with a chestthat's open is absolutely still.
Incredible to me is the amountof bullshit I hear over years.

(39:20):
So I learned it.
Completely opposite, I learnedwhat the body looks like to
create the pressure.
And so when I would talk tolike Scotty, scotty, lenny, go,
how do you know pressure isgoing to be there, I could just
see it.
Not trying to be cool, he's allyour fucking right and I'm like
I'm not, I'm not trying to beright, I just have seen golf
swings for so long and when wefirst got on the force plates,

(39:41):
it's not that I didn't need one,it's almost like butch saying I
know, you know, I see what aball does, I can hear sound.
He's done it for so long.
He has the right to say that.
You know what I mean.
I can, I can tell you where apath and faces, and you could go
well.
You don't know what his angleof attack is.
I'll tell you what his fuckingangle of attack is pretty close
to you know what I mean which isgoing to move the ball right or
left, depending on how much upor down you hit.

(40:02):
And I think that I I think thatthat's the way I learned.
First, I learned by seeingmotion and getting people to
develop certain things to createthe motion I wanted.
And then I was like, all right,this, this tilt and this
extension is creating morepressure on the hill.
Oh, this shoulder going lower,is that come from my shoulder?
Is that coming from hip flexion?

(40:23):
Or is it just when I separated,my shoulder happened to be in
the way of that hip flexion?
You know what I mean.
So there's, is that what'sputting more pressure on there?
Or is it just my shoulder goinglow as I open up?
So things like that are cool.
Or I probably learned backwardsof what you did, because I had a
case study up for a case studyof players and I had a chance to

(40:44):
fail.
I'm like, all right, this guy's, if he comes back, I'll get him
better next time.
You know what I mean.
I've been doing it for so longthat that's probably where I
learned different than the kidstoday.
They've already got a lot ofgood info.
Where I had.
I had to probably do it a lotmore on the mat.
I had to fail a lot more.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
George talking of kids today I can sort of hear
some background noise there.
You became, you became a fatherrelatively recently, so related
congratulations for that.
What have you learned aboutyourself since becoming a father
?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Shit that.
I'm not that important.
That's what I found.
I'm only important to make surethat he's doing well, my
family's doing well, and I thinkthat that drives me in certain
ways.
But it's, you know it's, it's adifferent joy, you know it's
it's really.
You have to come up with somedifferent energy than you
thought too.
You know, being as old as I amat 52, I feel like I didn't

(41:38):
think it was going to be as funas it is, and it first.
The first couple of monthsweren't fun.
If you, if you're going to be anew father, they're not that
fun in my opinion.
But now, when he's smiling atme, you know, the last few
months, when I come in and wantsto hang like, wants to be held
by me, it's, it's it melts yourheart.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
That's beautiful man, I mean.
Look at that.
I mean, at the end of the day,you know, I think that that kind
of really rings true, rightLike you come from this long
line of people who wereeducators and had a background
in physical fitness and then youknow, I think the thing that
kind of all coaches share is thefact that we all more or less

(42:15):
want to help others, right Like?
I think that, you know,probably having a kid is really
a great thing to happen for acoach, because it really teaches
you kind of how to fail againand kind of how how to have that
humility again, right.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Absolutely.
I find that some of the thingsthat I worried about you know
before not important and I thinksome of the things that
affected me aren't thatimportant.
I think it just puts you a lotof things in perspective.
Is is where I think it put mepersonally, which I think I
needed you know, and I thinkthat people are.

(42:49):
Why aren't you out on tour likeyou used to be?
Are you retired?
Are you done?
I'm like I kind of just enjoychilling, like still working my
ass off.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Can I ask you a question about that?
Huh, Can I ask you a questionabout that?
Is somebody who's also been outthere a little more in the past
than he has been recently.
Is it everything you thought itwould be like as a coach?
Like you know what I mean, Likefor us, you know good.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Okay, so for one.
I think that everyone needs itif they're a coach at first,
because they need validation.
They need validation.
They need people to know thatyou can coach tour players and I
personally, now that I've doneit, is it everything I thought
it would be?
Absolutely not, absolutely not.

(43:39):
And don't get me wrong.
If you know, I got DJ knockingat my door, I got Bryson and I
got you know I would go outthere because they'd be willing
to pay the price that I wantedto go out if they were looking
for something like that.
But when I was there, I waslosing money and so losing money
and traveling away from myfamily did not make sense and I

(44:00):
did it for I don't know, since2014, 15, whatever it was to
like 2022, probably 2022.
And then I stopped doing it asmuch and people were like why,
why are you not?
I'm like because I make so muchmore money here one, and it's a
lot easier, it's a lot lessstressful than you know.
The having players play good orbad in the ups and downs of

(44:23):
that and me developing juniors Ijust did it in another podcast
is really, I think, what my truelove is.
I enjoy because I can make abig difference.
I think we all can as coacheswhere, with the tour player, you
can make a big difference, butnot, as you know, impactually,
as that's a word.
As you know, you can't with thejunior in fact, I agree.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I agree, I love talking to the kids about you
know what it takes to play great.
You know like they want to playgreat in states or whatever the
case may be right and it's like, okay, well, let's talk about
the six months leading up tothat.
And they're like what?
And it's like, yeah, like wegot to practice being great,
because you don't just show upand become great.
You show up and you're alreadygreat and you just do great
things.
That's what you do.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
You coached the I'm right in thinking, george you
coached the six year old worldchampion.
I mean, I would love to meetthat kid, a six year old world
champion.
How, how good was he, is he?
Um, I would just love to seethat kid play golf.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'll tell you what.
The first time that I met him,he was four and a half and
Harrell Varner, his dad is, is,I believe, his manager and agent
, one of the nicest guys on theplanet he brought.
He brought him over to see mebecause they live in Santa
Barbara and I'm an hour awayfrom Santa Barbara and Westlake

(45:42):
and they brought him out thefirst time in a month and this
kid's pretty good for like fouryears old.
I was tripping and I was likeand he was such a sweet kid and
he just hit it off the tee andjust like, pop it, pop it, a
little lefty.
And you know he'll bring him outto me once every couple of
months and, and so I would sayI'm influential on his golf
swing for sure, but notinfluential as much as his dad

(46:06):
has to be and the people aroundhim practicing, because he's
doing a lot of good practice, alot of like.
I'll tell him what to do, likeputting drills and putting games
, and he'll go get him done.
You know, I mean they they getit done.
That's.
That's the coolest thing aboutteaching a junior is the ones
that are good.
Have good parents that canreally like I don't want to say,

(46:26):
force them to do it, because hewants to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
He wants to play golf , but his dad will make it
available, they make it doablefor the kids.
I think, right Like there's adifference, right Like I have a
waiting area here at my, at myindoor facility, and you know,
like I have parents that comeand they just sit in the waiting
area and wait for the lesson tobe done, and then I have
parents who, like you know, 10,15 minutes towards the end of
the lesson, like they come over.

(46:49):
They kind of want to know, likewhat the plan is, what you work
on, because, like I don't likehovering right, Like I don't, I
don't put up with that, but atthe same time, like they want to
come over get some notes.
What's the drill is?
We film a couple of things andlike send them on their way.
But the secret to successfuljunior golfers is always the
same thing they are committed topractice and they are committed

(47:09):
to getting better every day ofthe week, not just the day of
the tournament.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I'll tell you what it's I mean.
Then I've got Masa and thetowns of kids who rip people
like they're, they're so goodand they started it.
You know, they started with meat seven, one of them started
with four, one of them startedthree and they're just pretty
dominant.
But it has a lot to do with theparents.
It really does work, in myopinion, of the kids that I've

(47:36):
seen, because either I have agood story about a kid that the
mom was just you know, someparents are infatuated with
certain looks like I want toswing right here, and you're
like, listen, there's swingsover here, I want to swing right
there, I'm fine, I'll get itthere, just relax.
And sometimes you have to like,as you know, be like listen,

(47:56):
stop it.
This, this is not where youreally want your kid to be Okay,
but the fact is is she had apretty good point, which to me
is not that important and itprobably should be looking at
Rory with the best balance onthe way through on the planet,
and I always hit a drive andsmoke it and I pick up and I'm
almost falling over and I go getmy tea and I just it's not when

(48:16):
I'm, when I'm in your, becauseyou're wearing Crocs, george.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Absolutely.
Probably because I'm wearingCrocs but irons I'm not falling
over on but, driver, I'mprobably swinging out of my ass
99.9% of the time.
And the fact is is the momcomes up and goes.
I'm fucking hate their finish.
And those are exact words.
Not just I hate their finish, Ifucking hate their finish.

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I'm like, all right, well,let's get them over the mirror
and I'll get it right throughthe eyeballs and I'll just
finish it right here.
So I'm doing it up on the toeand she goes, I go, she goes.
How many should you do a day?
And I'm like you think they'regoing to do it a day, so I'm
going to make them.
I'm like, how many a day?
I said give them 20.
She's off.
It was your kid.
How many would you do?
I said 100.
And she goes.

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I swear to God, the next weekthey come every Friday.
These kids are all boomsticking their finish.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I'm like 100 today, baby probably 200 a day,
honestly.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But I swear to God, that's what she told me.
Oh my God, wow, that's a goodlesson for a lot of the other
actual parents out there.
They want to bust them up.
That's what they do.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
My favorite thing I ever heard about Tiger Woods.
My favorite story is and I gotthis from the Arizona State
men's golf team but they wentout to Stanford's tournament one
of the years.
Tiger was there and they saidthey pulled up in the van and
they said it was just likemonsoon, raining in Stanford.
They were just terrible rightand followed out though, and

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they said they pull in and likethe players are all upset
because they don't want to getout of the van because it's
pouring.
They said there's one guy outthere just riping balls in the
middle of this monsoon, no raingear, no hat, no nothing.
Tiger Woods out there, justlike it wasn't raining at all,
just in his own little worldriping balls.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, there's a difference.
There's definitely a differencebetween you know these guys
that are good and not.
It's usually the mentality thatstarts it all.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It really does and you got to build it right.
It's not.
I mean, you have a degree inthis right, so it's not one of
those things to where I think alot of people just think that
there's this zone you can clickinto, but if you're not putting
in the work, developing thoseskills, like you're not going to
be able to call on them whenyou need them.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Absolutely not, and I think that I mean honestly when
we talk about like a Tiger orsomebody else like that.
I think that every kid that youcan tell when they're going to
be good, just like right away,just from their swagger, every
little kid is fucking cocky.
Every kid that's cocky in yourneighborhood there's one or two
of them every year and theyalways end up the best.

(50:51):
You see them at seven to nineto eleven.
That's when you start seeingtheir.
They walk different, they thinkthey're badass around their
friends and they're usually theones that come up.
You probably have it in yourarea too.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, that's what we breed.
My Wi-Fi password for thefacility is to be no feeder fish
.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
No feeder fish, only shark.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, man, I mean, a couple of things you've said
just remind me so much of KevinKirk.
He's a great friend of mine andKevin really talked a lot about
being Kaizen and always tryingto find a better way and always
trying to learn.
But he also talks a great dealabout warrior culture and that's
kind of what you're talkingabout, right, that swagger and

(51:40):
developing that in young people,man, because it's hard for a
guy that's 52,.
Right, Just wait till another10 years goes by, man, and now
you're 62.
And now you've got a10-year-old kid that's coming
home telling you about things onsome device you've never heard
of, on some platform you don'tknow exist, and they're calling
them things you didn't even knowwere bad things.

(52:00):
Yet you know what I mean.
It's going to be wild man.
How are you going to relate tothat person and how are you
going to teach them to beconfident?
Because the world is a scaryplace, man, as you know, and I'm
sure you're more aware of nowas a new father.
But you got to teach them howto be a warrior man and you got
to teach them how to have thatswagger.
And that's what I love aboutyour videos on social medias

(52:23):
it's always big energy man and Iapplaud you because as a coach
that works and like you man, Ilove the public.
That's where that's my callingcard man.
I'm a public kid at heart, sohaving the energy for that guy,
that isn't so good.
That's tough man and I applaudyou because it's not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I appreciate that.
I learned that pretty, prettyyoung.
As far as that, you know, evenif somebody wasn't very good and
I didn't do this because ofthis, but I just always felt
like it was a challenge to helpeveryone.
You know what I mean.
Just because you suck.
Imagine if you get this guygood and he really does suck.
You know you're going to get abunch of his friends who suck

(53:04):
too and you're like, fuck,that's a lot of energy I'm going
to be dealing with now.
You know what I mean.
But it happens.
You know you fix, and when wesay fix you they're not as bad.
All of a sudden they're like,wow, this guy's got good over
the year.
Maybe his coach is helping himout for real.
You know what I mean.
But a lot of it, yes, we know,comes into the player how much
they want it to and if they wantit, I feel like you know a good

(53:25):
coach can probably pretty muchchange any any any bad stuff
that anyone's had.
I do.
I believe that we have thepower to to make impactful
changes on every player thatdoesn't believe they can be
fixed If they also put in theenergy.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
My favorite lesson man.
I love the airport lesson withthe guy that just you know like
I travel a lot with my forceplates, like that's part of my
stick, you know, lugging thosethings around, all 250 pounds of
them, like like the good, goodboard work I'm doing.
But like somebody sees mebecause the track man doesn't
fit in the bag, so like I alwaysgot to carry the track man
separate, which is just clickbaited in the airport there's

(54:03):
always some like poor, likegolfer guy that finds me like
right, as I've taken a firstbite of something to eat, and
he's like telling me how he'sjust completely hopeless and all
that.
And you know what, man, I swearto God, I do, I stand up and I
help that guy right there in theairport.
And, dude, I can't tell you howmany text messages I've got or
like emails I've gotten frompeople because my car just had

(54:25):
my cell phone anymore.
But like you know, you get anemail and they're like, dude,
that helps so much and you'relike, dude, that's what it's
about.
We're just trying to helppeople play better golf at the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
That makes you feel good.
That's very, very.
That is cool, almost.
I mean, there's been so manyairport lessons or elevator
lessons or some shit that's gonedown no matter where or people
just go.
I'm getting Gucci.
They're just the stupidest shitever, but it's kind of funny
that I get.
I get all kinds of weird stufftoo and it's fun.
It's probably what it's aboutfor us.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I imagine that you feel very similar to Howard
Stern, walking down the streetand just getting the most random
, absurd thing to yell to youever.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Well, you know what, for a while there probably in
2014 to 2019, it was prettynutty.
Things have chilled out, thankGod, from there.
But you know, I still go ontour and it's kind of funny.
It is, it's different they.
You realize how many golfpeople there are compared to you
know when I first I startedteaching this kid what's his

(55:25):
name?
Dod King.
You know Carter.
You know DoD King.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I've heard of him.
Yeah, yeah, he's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Now, no matter what happens, there'll be kids on the
mat.
No way.
And he's on the mat like thosewere funny days when that shit
would happen to me.
And I don't I don't miss it atall.
It's kind of kind of nice to beunder the radar, like I've
always been.
It's much better.
And he's that Carter kid, theDoD King.

(55:52):
He's a good dude and he's funny.
He can play golf too.
I don't know if you've everseen him.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
He's hilarious, he can, he can rip it off with that
kind of talk shit, but he canactually, he can play.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
He's not bad.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Well, you're definitely.
You're definitely one of themore recognizable guys out there
.
That people spot because I meanit's like at Augusta, it at
Augusta, it's hilarious, right,Because nobody has their cell
phones and nobody knows anybodyanymore because they can't just
look everybody up on socialmedia.
So it's like the only twopeople you recognize on the
range is like you and Sean fullyand maybe not Sean as much now

(56:25):
with his new deal, but like younever not see Shawnee, because
Shawnee's always there with hishair fucking slick back in
perfect every time, absolutely,man.
So I just want to thank you, man.
I really appreciate you comingon.
We could go for another coupleof hours for sure.
I know I know double D enjoyedit, yeah it's pretty so.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
thanks so much, George.
Really really enjoyed speakingto you.
Love your work.
Next time, next time in yourneck of the woods, I'm going to
come and get on the mat with you.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Well, congrats on what you're doing with the stats
and the scorekeeping.
I hope it all goes good.
Give me when I get up the phone.
I'm going to look it up, whatis it?
One more time.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
It's called Clip CLIPPD.
Look it up, George.
Oh, CLIPPD as in yeah, yeah,that's the one.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Cool and they're taking over NCA scoring where
golf that also does scoring, butthey're not in competition.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
They're not scoring, they're doing actual data
captures, so they're doing thestatistical analysis, and all
that for all the players.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
So no scoring.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Then we'll be doing this.
No, we will be doing thescoring, but we also work with
over 100 college programs,george, from like Wake Forest
Women to Georgia Techmen, so weprovide data analysis and data
insights for them.
So, yeah, let me, let'sdefinitely connect.
I'd love to show you.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Next time we're together, I'll walk you through
it.
You'll love it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
OK, cool, cool, cool.
All right guys?
Well, thank you guys for havingme out of great time.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Well, thanks so much.
I really appreciate it, man,for for coming on as always.
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