14 | Together is my favorite place to be: Marriage, Community and Mom Life with Jessica Drummond - Mama of the Wild Crew Podcast

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Alexis Schmoker (00:06):
Welcome to Mama of the Wild Crew podcast, the
podcast where we embrace themessy, wild, beautiful journey
of motherhood together.
I'm your host, alexa Schmoker,mama of two beautiful kiddos,
wife, nurse and lover of Jesus.
Motherhood is full of hardmoments, unexpected chaos and

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those days where you just reallydon't have it all together.
But in the midst of it all,there is so much joy.
On this podcast, we're divinginto the real, honest
conversations about motherhoodthe challenges, the triumphs and
everything in between.
We'll hear the stories ofincredible moms from all walks

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of life, share wisdom, laughterand let's be real probably a few
tears, and we're going todiscover how to embrace the joy
in this chaos.
So, whether you're rocking ababy to sleep, folding that
never-ending pile of laundry orsneaking away for a quiet moment
with your coffee, welcome mama.
You're not alone here.

(01:07):
Hit, subscribe and join me onthis wild adventure of
motherhood.
I can't wait to do this journeywith you.
Good morning guys.
We're already starting justdying laughing.
And then we were like why arewe not recording?
Because we need to be recording, because we're dying.

(01:29):
We were just talking aboutpeppa pig, because jess is
saying that she snorts and crewhas been watching peppa pig and
she's a snorty girl.
Um, so anyway, anyone elsesnort with peppa pig and crew.
All of our nephews have whatare they called Like sidekick
animals, spirit animals orsomething.

Jessica Drummond (01:48):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And my husband asked Crew what her spirit
animal was and this has beenlike a year and she said a pig.
So whenever we pretend to raceor something, she'll make Jordan
commentate the race andnormally in her, you know, she
rollerblades hard.
Yes, in her rollerblading races.
I'm very impressed by that too,like I'm like.
She's pretty good, it's crazy,but she practices all the time.

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So every night she hasrollerblade races like against
Diego and Dora, and Boots andJaguar and Jordan will like
commentate for it.
Like, here comes Crew Pearlaround the bend, you know Like.
And then here's Dora Like oh no, dora fell.
And Crew's pig is always likeher sidekick that has to like
fend off.

(02:32):
Yes, diego and Swiper.

Oh, yes, and all the things.
Yeah, I forget about the Dora.

Oh hi, we Dora hard yeah In our house.
I love that she loves Dora.
But anyway, guys, happy Tuesdayand welcome to Mama the Wild
Crew podcast.
As you can tell, I'm so excitedfor today's guest.
It is such a sweet friend.
She's an incredible womanfriend, mom, all the things

(03:00):
Jessica Drummond is.
A mama of two precious boys,the heart behind a call to
create a speech languagelanguage pathologist.
maybe I need to go to a speechlanguage language pathologist, I
can't even say it by trade, astay-at-home mama in this season
and a woman filled with so muchbeauty, grace and contagious

(03:22):
joy.
You're going to fall in lovewith her heart as we talk about
everything from boy-mom chaos tocalling marriage, faith, grief,
identity and those beautifulmessy moments in between that
truly shape us.
Jess is the kind of girl whojust reminds you that you're not
alone in this wild ride ofmotherhood, and she does it all
with such intentionality andlove.

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So without further ado.
welcome my sweet friend, jessDrummond.
We're here.
We're here.
We've been wanting to do thisfor so long.
I know I'm so excited and forthose of you guys that don't
know, jess is such a crucialpart to the podcast because
you're my listener, like myfirst listener.
Auditor editor girly.

Yes, the other day I was listening to it
in the kitchen and trice waslike what are you listening to?
And I was like mom of the wildgroup broadcast yeah, he's like
do you listen to those?
And I said, well, yeah I'm onstaff yeah, and he said so are
you like an executive producer?

and I was like basically, basically basically I
am, you need a hat.
Yeah, that says like executiveexecutive producer or like or
like maybe not executive, butlike producer.

I don't know that yeah.

I mean, I feel like you're the only person I
have, I'm the only staff, so Ifeel like you're the executive
we get.
Jordan, I know Well, it's givenhim time because it's soccer
season.
So he's like are you stilldoing the podcast?
I'm like, yes, every Monday.

Have you not been?
Where have you been?

Where have you been?
I know he's like well, Ihaven't had to listen to any.
I'm like well, because I haveJess, my executive producer.
My executive producer and shegives me honest feedback.
He'll just be like that wasgreat.
Yeah, that was great.
Well, anyway, Jess, tell usabout your little family and
your baby boys.

So I am married to Trace.
We actually celebrated eightyears.
I saw that yesterday.
Yes, yeah, so we've beenmarried eight years, which I'm
like what that's almost a decadeyeah, two more years and it's
like 10 years, um, so we've beenmarried eight years.
We got married like right outof grad school, so I graduated
grad school and then two weekslater we got married and then I

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moved to tulsa and then I likeentered into a marriage and then
I started a new job.
So it was just like it's a lotof chaos.
Yeah, um, I was actually areally hard time Like, just like
all that stuff at once, it's abusy season.
Yeah, but um so, yeah, I'mmarried to trace.
He's wonderful, um, he works inconstruction so he's kind of

(05:43):
like a fix it all kind of guyhandyman of all sorts.
Yes, he can.
He knows that.
I love him because he knows alittle bit about a lot and he
just, he's just wonderful.
Um, we have two boys.
I could not.
If you told me that I was goingto have boys growing up, I
would have been like, no, I'msure there'll be a girl in the

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mix.

Yeah.

That's not the case.
Um, so we have Wade, and Wadeis cruise age.
Yeah, yeah.
So three yeah, three and a half,um, he'll be four in November
and he is all boy.
He's so wild, um, he's socurious about everything.
He he's like in his why, why,why, yes, and he has a lot of

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opinions too.
Has a lot of opinions about alot, um, but he is just so full
of joy, he's so happy.
Um, just a big personality,just big spirit, just a big
presence.
He's just, he's amazing.
And then Cal is our new guy.

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He's cute, yeah, he's so cute.
He's got bright red hair andI'm like wait, where'd that come
from?
And then it's me, because I hadred hair when I was little.
Did you really Well?

like when I was born.

Yeah, and then it changed to blonde, and
then it just stuck.

Yeah, and then it changed to blonde and then it
just stuck.
Yeah, blonde, but you have verylight blonde hair.
For those who can't see, you.

Also, whenever we first started
recording, jess was like I can'thear myself, so they can't see
you either.
Any picture, I don't know, um.
So anyways, he came out withlike bright red hair and we were
like what, um?
But he is so sweet, like he isthe most chill, easygoing kid.
He's so happy until he's notlike yeah, he's either like zero
or 100.
And then when he is 100, it'slike who are you?

Yeah, you almost don't know what to do
with my precious child Like.

And then he like we'll get over his 100, and
it's like what was that?
Yeah, um, but he is so happy,he's so social, charismatic,
charming like so charming.
I feel like he's just going tobe this like I don't know, like
this smooth talking flirty suave, suave like redheaded guy.

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I don't know Like he's, justI'm a little nervous about that
Because I'm like I feel likeyou're just going to be able to
talk your way into like anything, so I feel like I'm going to
have to watch out for that when.
Wade will just tell you likethis is what I want and I'm
serious.

Yeah.
But Cal will be more sneakyabout it, yeah.
And they just have a way withlike mom hearts, that's what
I've said before, but you justdon't realize what being a boy
mom is Like.
I had boy mom friends before Ihad a boy and then obviously,
like my sister has a son andit's just, it's a different
feeling.
Yeah, I don't know how toexplain it.

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They're built different.
They're built different.

And it's just like but the way that they look
at you, yeah, oof, it was sosweet.
Sometimes wade will wake up inthe morning.
He's kind of grumpy and thenother times he's like so sweet.
But like this morning, he cameout of his room and ran to me
and hugged me and that was likethe first encounter of the day
and I was like oh, today's gonnabe so sweet with you wait day
but he, they're just sweet ontheir mamas.
They love us so much, and I meanthey're rough and tough, but

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like they just love their mamasand Cal's so obsessed with me.
I mean I know it's because,like I'm feeding him, nope
You're like he's so obsessedwith me he is.
He looks at me and he's like Ilove you, mom, and I'm like I
love you too.
Don't ever not love me.

I know I already pray so hard just like
for their future spouses.
Obviously Cruz too, but likeyou know, they always say like
girls are your girls and they'regoing to be there and, like
boys, they're going to getmarried, I know, and they're
going to have like a new bestfriend and I mean obviously you
want that and you want like themost awesome person.
So, whoever you are out thereand whoever is your mama

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parenting you right now, justknow like I pray for you all the
time, because I cannot evenimagine.
Yeah.

I feel like my, I don't know.
I feel like if I raise reallygood boys that became really
good men they're going toattract like really wonderful
women.
boys that become really good menthey're going to attract like
really wonderful women and likeby golly, that woman that they
bring home is going to want tobe like sitting in my lap and I
will be French, braiding theirhair because I'm like, give me
some girl, like like you'regoing to love me, love me, you

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know, I just, I don't know, I'mnot too worried about it yet but
it's like you know you have theboys and you're like, oh, I'm
the boy mom.
Like, yeah, I'm not in thehospital room when you have your
first child.
Like, yeah, Like Christmas, youknow, yeah.

Like it's like, come home, come home to me, I
don't know so um no, I know thatmy husband's the youngest of
four boys, but my mother-in-law,you know, they just live right
here and they're so ingrained inour life and she does like such
a great job of like letting usstill be like mother, but then

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also she's such a presentgrandmother and say they don't
ever feel.
I don't know like intimidatedby that relationship.
You know you always like grow upthinking like oh, in-laws are
this and this, and like ourexperience has been so different
.
Yeah, and like so just at home,you know, yes, yeah, and so I
just hope that.

I cultivate that as well.

Yeah, yeah, Because it can be like I don't
know, you just hear these horrorstories.
Yes, and that's not how it is.
So.

I guess.
Pray for myself to be a goodmother-in-law monster in the law
.
Yes, jennifer Lopez.

Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.
That's so funny.
Yes, I love that.
Okay, so you know the podcastquestion.
So the mom failed question.
Literally as you walked in,though, you brought a bottle in,
I'm assuming, did you like off?

where was it?
It was in my front yard and Ipassed over it.
You know I was like oh, that'sfunny.
And then, like I passed over, Iwas like no, go pick that up.
So I turned back around and Ipicked it up and I'm like this
is such like a mom thing.
Literally I like thought thisis a mom thing, like just
bottles, just stuff falling outof cars and rolling down the
driveway.

I'm like what?
So there you go, there's a momfill for me.
Obviously, my bottle'sliterally in the driveway, but
it's good, I'm running coffee'swater, I know.
Thank you too, she broughtcoffee, and that's another thing
too.
I texted you like, by the way,I'm like a little lactose
sensitive and you're like isthat a thing?

(12:15):
No, like, why is that?
Is it like?

once you turn a certain age, all of a sudden
you can't like chug a gallon ofmilk, or I love milk, but like
it does not love me andsometimes I'm like it's worth it
.

But then and sometimes I'm like it's worth it
.

But then other times I'm like that wasn't
worth it.
Yeah, oh my gosh Not to get toopersonal, too deep, but like,
yeah, sometimes it hurts yourtum-tum it hurts your tum-tum
and you can't like.

You got to also mom and do the things, so
anyway, coconut, a mocha vanillalatte and a mocha.
I love that you were like whatdo you prefer, and I'm not picky
when it comes to my caffeine,so yeah well, I tried to order
pistachio, and he was like Icould make you, but you're not

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gonna like it.
And I was like, oh, thank youfor the honesty though no,
kelsey helm um said that shedrinks pistachio lattes, and so
I got it for her whenever shecame over.
I think I got it from evergreenum when she came over record
and it was so good.

Okay, and so now I've been like hooked on
them.
Okay, but you'll have to trythem.
They're wonderful.
No, he was like.
I can make you one.
You won't like it.

I was like okay , hey, I appreciate the honesty,
but anyway, jess, hit us withthe most recent mom fail or any
mom fail.

Oh, okay, fail every day, but one that
like super comes to mind.
When Wade was, he was probablylike I mean he was sitting up
and kind of like scooting aroundlike on the floor, um, but I
was doing my hair one morning,like getting ready for work, and
so I had my curling iron outand homeboy, like scooted over

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to like the cord of the cornerand like pulled it down and I
was like I mean, my reaction wasso quick Like I swiped up that
curling and I, by the grace ofGod I didn't catch the hot part,
um, but it fell on the groundand I was like I don't think it
got him, like I really thinkhe's okay, and so I like checked

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him out.
I was like okay, there's nolike burns, cause I'm like that
was hot.
Like if that fell on my kid likemom fail like Whoa.

Now we're all going to be like checking our
cords, no, yeah.

And so literally I tell people like,
yeah, it happens, but like, putyour cords up, like, and tell
your kids like don't pull, likeit's hot, you know.
So, anyways, um, I check himout, I'm like, you're fine, it's
okay.
Um, he didn't cry like I mean,I think in the moment I was like
, oh, it just scared him.
Yeah, um, so we get ready, Idrop him off at daycare and like
two hours later, daycare'scalling me and they're like, hey

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, um, we like just filled out anincident report like we don't
know what happened, but he's gotlike this whelp on his like
that's like blistering up, butwe don't's like blistering up
but we don't know what.
like we've been watching, likewe don't know what happened, and
I was like, oh my gosh, it hadnot like shown up until like I
got him to daycare and I droppedhim off, and I didn't even

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mention like oh, by the way, youmight like watch him.
He pulled down a curtain.
Yes, like he pulled down acurtain iron yes.
So, anyways, yeah, I feel likeI sent my kids a daycare without
knowing that the iron hadactually like fallen on his leg.

Poor baby yeah.

Poor you that's like so rough I felt so
bad yeah so bad.
Oh, that was kind of intense.

That is intense .

For a mom fail.
I would have like straight to100 with that.

That's so real, though, and stuff like that
happens, and it's just somethingthat happens in daily life.
That can happen to anyone.

And I'm sure has happened to multiple people.
So if you're listening to this,watch out for your current
ignorance.
If it hasn't happened to you,or if it has happened to you,
know you're not alone.

Yeah, something similar happened to my middle
sister, addie.
Yeah, she was whenever she wasa kid, uh-huh.
So she had pulled off like thecord of the actual iron, like an
ironing board iron.

And it fell like right on her chest.
Oh, oh, and I like we that'slike burn.
Like you go to the burn place,yeah.

Thank goodness she ended up being fine.
And I don't know if she evenremembers it, because we had
talked about it not too long agoand she was like no, I don't
remember.
I'm like no, they don't, I'mlike I remember because I was
traumatized and I was like justthe other kid, you know, yes,
yeah, so it happens, hot stuff,man.
It really happens, I know, andnow we have steamers and I
always freak out like with mykids, because I hang my clothes

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like on the door frame.

Yes, and I want your steamed.

Yeah, and then they're hot.
Yeah, I'm always afraid thatsomeone's gonna come around the
corner.
So, yeah, no, I'm sorry thathappened to you.
Yeah, you're definitely notalone in that.
Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, golly okay well we'll keepit light, we're gonna lighten
the mood because I'm gonna telleveryone our meet cute, okay,
yeah, okay.
So jess and I have our own meetcute, yeah, yeah, it could be a

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movie, probably, um, so, summerof 2023, it would have been
right.
Yeah, two crew Pearl and Wadewould have been a little over
one one and a half.
Yeah, we both started ISR swimlessons, which I know can be
like a hot button topic, sopersonally I found it very

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helpful and my daughter can swimand we're comfortable and we're
around water all the time.
So it yeah, it can be like kindof scary, because it is the one
where they throw your kids inthe pool and blah blah blah.
But you know, not to get toolike controversial, but it ended
up being great for us, yeah, um, so everyone do your own thing.
But we were looking for liketwo wins because we wanted her

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to swim and we were havingtrouble with sleep, so we
scheduled her at like the seveno'clock time slot, the very
first one.
So I'm like we don't have achoice but to wake her up at six
30 every morning to get there,to get there, yeah.
So I'm like this will be good,cause she'll learn how to swim
and we'll get on a schedule.
But anyway, you and Wade werethe slot right after.

So you go for 10 minutes every day, like 7,
10 or whatever it was.

Yeah 10 minutes every day for like six weeks.
How long was it?
Six weeks, every single day, soevery day.
Like I would be part.
I would be like getting her outof the pool and you'd be coming
in with Wade.
We would like chat just for amoment and then go along our way
and I would tell Jordan there'sthis mom, wade's mom you know,
after crew Pearl.
And I didn't know your name justWade's mom after crew Pearl and

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I really like her Like, I feellike we could be friends, you
know, and I was going to be likeoh, we should like exchange
numbers after you talk for everyday for three weeks, and then
it's like how do you thentransition to like oh, by the
way, what is your?
name, yeah, so anyway, then allof a sudden you weren't there
because you guys had to pausesome lessons and I felt like it

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was like a Craigslist, missedconnections, yeah yeah.
And I felt like a weirdo askingthe swim instructor like hey,
by the way, where did what's hername?

Where did Wade's mom go swim instructor
like hey, by the way, where?

did?
What's her name?
Where did wade's mom go?
Uh, because I was reallyfeeling like we had something
there.
It was a spark, um, and then itwas probably what?
Like a year later, I saw you atchurch and I was like jordan,
that's her, like that's wade'smom, you know.
But then life still happens.
We were both busy with the kidsand then circle back, like God
just had a plan, because I hadthe opportunity to step in as a

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small group leader for a momthat was going on maternity
leave, and so I Ding, ding, dingit's me, it's you, knock, knock
, jessica.

It's me, I'm here.

Jessica, I hope everyone gets that reference.
Yeah, because I love that movieso much Um, but yeah, so it was
you.
And now we just have thisfriendship and it's so beautiful
and I just love that.
God like connected that in ourtime and now we get to like
continue our motherhood journeytogether.
So anyway, not to like gush toomuch about our story, but I

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know you said that you and yourhusband have your own little
meet.
Cute, I guess, probably cutelike ours, but tell, us a little
about that.

Um so, teresa , we both went to OSU uh in
Stillwater, oklahoma, the bestplace ever.
I just I know you're a sooner,sooner girl, but you know um,
still, water is just such aspecial place.
I'm a third generation cowgirl,so like my grandpa like
actually played basketball forthe.

(20:19):
Uh, I bet like Henry Abbott.

Yeah.

Um, and then my dad, and, like all of my
aunts and uncles, went and thenI.
I mean I had a choice but I waslike I'm going, yeah, so
anyways I go and I'm like I'mgoing to meet a rancher.
I'm going to meet a country boybecause that's like my
background, like agriculture,sounds like my youngest sister.
Yeah, I'm like I am going tomeet a ranchy boy and do ranch,

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ranchy things.

You know horse around.

Yes, that's a funny joke.
Um, so, anyways, I meet traceactually at the tumbleweed.
Cause the tumbleweed?
Um, you could get in when youwere 18 and I loved to dance,
like I loved to stepping, and somy friends and I would go like
every Thursday night to like godance.
And so trace and his likefraternity brothers were there

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and I was there with my threesisters and so, um, my good
friend from high school, um, andlike just from childhood, we
like kind of went to collegetogether.
She was a year older than mebut she actually danced with
Trace first and she was like hey, you need to dance with Jessica
.
Like he's a good dancer, she'sgoing to have a great time.
Cause I didn't care who Idanced with, I just loved it.

Yes, and have a great time, because I didn't
care who I danced with.

I just loved it.
Yes, and so Trace and I dancedand he could not remember my
name.
He called me darling.
He was like hi, darling, hey,sweetheart, I'm like you, suave,
suave dude.
You don't even know what's myname.
It's me, jessica, I'm in here.
Um so, anyways, we had a greattime that night, like our groups

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just kind of like mingled andhung out, and so that was really
special.
But he actually invited me to adate party like the following,
or maybe it was a couple ofweeks later what fraternity was
it?

It was a week-long SIGEP, sigep.
Okay, and what were?

you Gamma Phi .
Okay, cute, okay, gamma Phi Um.
But he invited me to like aweek long date party called
safari, and so I went and sothere were like different themes
every night, so like he didlike different stuff every night
and like he dressed up andstuff.
It was so fun, but he was alittle wild.

Um, back in his day and I was a little not.

Um, so I just decided at that time I was like
I think we're just going to belike good friends.
Yeah, like cause he's so nice,like he's so like he really
liked the darling sweetheartthing he's so charming.
I just he's just such a fun dude, like he really is just such a
fun dude.
And so, um, we I just decided Iwas like no, like you know I'm,

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it would be friends.
Yeah, and we were true friends,like we.
After that we were just likewe're like true friends, yeah,
so we would like see each otherhang out Like we still like kind
of dated other people and butstill hung out.

It was kind of like I don't know.

He was just like a good friend, yeah, um,
and we're still good friends.
Like I feel like we were goodfriends.
And then we were like should weeventually?
Like it was a couple of years,it was our beginning of like our
junior year.
We started kind of like datingand exploring that and I don't
know.
Like it just turned intosomething more and he's just
like I didn't know it was him,but I like knew I didn't want to

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do life without him.

Yeah.

And so here we are.
Yeah, here we are, and, holycow, it's so different now than
it was like I did not marry thesame which you could probably
say the same thing, but like thetrace today is not the man that
I married.
No, and like hindsight, I woulddo it.
So I would do it over and overand over, like I just I love him
.
Yeah, I love him, I love that.

Yeah, and it just you just grow together and
watching them go through thattransition too, of like husband
to father.

Yes, which is like a big transition too.

Yes and I feel like with Jordan, I always knew
he was going to be a goodhusband, but like I saw in him
from so early like I feel likehe's going to be the best dad,
like that's something thatreally attracted me to him and
he is, I mean, just like he'sjust above and beyond, like when
it comes to dad role.
So I feel like that's.
I feel like I'm getting teary.

It really matters Like.
I tell everybody young um, evenlike as an adult, like I'm like
, no, it matters.
It matters it matters to you,mary, like it, so matters Like
other than like choosing.
I feel like choosing JesusChrist is like your Lord and
savior.
Like the next biggest decisionyou could like make for the

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trajectory like for the rest ofyour life is like who you marry.
Yeah, so I'm like it's somatters, like it you have to be
intentional with, like, who youpick and who you choose to do
life with and you have to chooseit, like you have to choose
marriage every day every dayyeah, and you don't always like
think like intentionally aboutlike I'm choosing, I'm choosing,
I'm choosing, but like, yeah,you do like it's it's hard like

(25:09):
there's some like good partsabout it, but like there's some
like gritty parts too, where youjust like it's just hard.

It is hard, and in those moments, too, you have
to know that the other personon the other side is just as
committed as you are.
Yeah, because that's when, whenyou're talking about like it,
it truly matters.
Like who you choose there, itdoes like you have to be able to
trust them.
Yeah, full-heartedly that evenlike hard times or busy seasons

(25:35):
with newborns and like timeswhen you're just not feeling
yourself.
Yeah, like postpartum and justthe season of motherhood,
pregnancy, like you have to justknow that that person is also
choosing it every day and justhave trust in that.

Yes, so, if not, you'll drive yourself crazy
.
No, yeah Well, if you're likeputting in effort, but like the
other person's like what.
That's just.
It's just a hard thing.

Yeah.

It's just a hard thing.
So like I will preach to likethe end of the age, like who you
marry matters.
So, like, make it matter to you.

Yeah, absolutely.
And I don't think that meansthat, like you can't date yeah,
you know, like you were saying,like you can date intentionally
and um, try and you know, seewho else is out there, because
like you said you had like thispicture in your head of who
you're going to marry.
And that's kind of how myyoungest sister she's just
graduated college She'll alwayssay like, oh, I just want to

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marry a cowboy, or I just wantto get.

I'm like, I love that for you, but also give
everyone a chance, like youjust don't know yeah, I don't
know who else is and like God,will surprise you, like God will
surprise you, trace.
German was like a curveball,and like anybody who was in
college with us too, they'd belike that.
That's kind of that doesn'tmake less.
You know like right, we werejust so different.
I mean, we're both like verylike morally grounded, but like

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it came from like different,like spurts of like motivation
to be like just good-heartedpeople Does that make sense.
Yes, so we have like so much incommon, but like also, he's just
not who I ever like anticipatedbeing with.
But like, oh my gosh, god knewso much better than like what I

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wanted for myself.
Like I just like have to checkmyself on that all the time.

Yeah, and how did you guys kind of transition
into?
Well, we get into this a littlebit later, yeah, so I'm going
to pause.
I'm going to pause there andwe're going to go into it a
little bit later, okay.
So, boy, mom, energy, okay, inpresence, goodness.
Your Instagram boy mom contentis just iconic.
One day it's literally like HotWheels in your pockets, in the

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washing machine, everywhere youpost, like fake snakes on your
couch.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, or like in my bed.
Sometimes they want to be in mybed.

I'm not a snake girl or in the laundry.

No, and Crew like had a snake incident and
she's gone so far left fieldwith it that she loves snakes
right yeah, oh yeah, because Ifeel like we tried to be so like
oh, snakes are fine, you know,because I was so freaked out
like I was even afraid to go onwalks or walk outside.
Yeah, I was scared of snakesafter that and so we had to just

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like completely talk about itall the time yes to like, to
like, yeah, and ease it down andnow she loves snakes.
She'll watch like snake videoson YouTube and I'm like we are
not watching that.

No, I don't like they like can define they
can like crawl up walls andtrees and stuff.
I'm like don't sign me up forthat.

No, I'm cringing.
I love that you.
You will like embrace thesnakes in your house, but what
gets me in the most is just howpresent you are and you say,
like that's something, thatyou're intentional about being
is just very present.
You're on the ground, you'relaughing, you're crying, you're
surviving like you're in it.
Um, you've got Wade and now Cal, two incredible little boys,

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and I know being a boy mom, likeyou said, wasn't always what
you pictured.
What has surprised you the mostabout this season of chaos,
dirt and the sweetness, and howhas it shaped who you are, not
just as a mom, but as a woman,learning to stay present in this
beautiful mess?

Oh, gosh, like it's so fun, like that's
been.
Gosh like it's so fun, likethat's been.
I don't know.
It's so fun in a way that likeI never really saw coming and I
mean I'm a girl, so like I knowhow to be a girl.
Yeah, I'm not a boy, I don'tknow how to be a boy but I feel
like I'm learning more aboutlike just how boys see the world

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, how they like function, justlike their energy.
It's just so different,different, and so I feel like
I'm learning more just aboutlike boys in general and like
how boys grow up to be like mentoo.
Um, so that's been just likeit's kind of surprising but I
love it like boy, mom stuff isso fun.

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I mean like the dirt and youknow, Wade's kind of like
sensitive to dirt, like hedoesn't like super love, like he
loves to get dirty, but afterhe's done I'm like he's like
cleaning he's ready to get cleanyeah, yeah.
so, um, I don't know, I love itand I do try to stay present.
Like I try not to look too farinto like the future, and I
don't really like sit too far inmy past either, and I think

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that I'm not a super like goaloriented person, which is kind
of like a turnoff.
I feel like kind of a con, Idon't know, but like I'm just so
like in what I am in in themoment that like I just don't
like look too far ahead, looktoo far back.
But I also think that's a gifttoo.

Like I feel like just to be present is a
gift to like the people that I'mwith or like my family, like
during this season.
That is such a gift, cause Ifeel like that's something that
I really struggle with is likebeing very in the moment, like I
always got to like be thinkingabout what we're doing next, or
where we're going on vacation,or what would be like a next fun
activity or something.
So I feel like I have a reallyhard time being like just so in
the moment and in the present.
Yeah, and like when things areup in the air, like you know,

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like right now, like still inour house, yes, and where are we
going to go?
Like those things can kind oflike just overwhelm you, yeah,
yeah.
Where I just go with the flow,where Jordan is like kind of how
you're explaining, like he canbe so present and in the moment
all the time.
Yeah, and like he can just turnout off everything else, even
if there's a million thingsgoing on.
Yeah, like he is where he is.

Yeah and I've had to learn how to do that,
though, and I still struggle,like with turning off like the
what are we going to do next?
Like this I could be doing thisinstead of this, like right,
but it's hard because, like aswomen, I feel like we just have
so much like that we think wehave to do.
Otherwise our world would fallapart, you know, like the world

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of our family would fall apart.
Oh yeah, the whole world wouldfall apart if we didn't do
everything we needed to do whichlike is not the case at all.
But when you kind of like cantake things off of your plate
and just like sit like in yourpresence.
It's just a beautiful thing, itis.

Even even yesterday.
We were getting ready to go tothe lake for Memorial day and I
got it in me that I had to cleanthe house but I have to do that
when I leave the house too.
Like I do that I, and then Igot grumpy cause.

I was like, yes, get everything clean.
Yes, because I want to comehome to like not chaos.
No, I like.
It's like a, like a rage, likea rage clean.
Yes, yeah, like leaving is sohard for me.
Yeah, so maybe I'm not likesuper.
You know we can take Listen.

We are all still evolving and figuring this
out, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

But I mean just the being in the moment, I
think is great and I'm going tobe.
I'm going to be better.
I'm going to be better aboutthat.
Okay.
So the ministry side so you aredeeply involved in community
Bible study, leading a smallgroup, you're discipling young
women Such a beautifuloutpouring of both time and your

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heart.
Can you share what that journeyor how that journey began for
you?
What nudged you to say yes, andwhat would you say to the women
who feels like they're they'repulled to do something, or being
called to get more involved,but maybe don't feel equipped
enough to do so, or feeling likeI don't I don't know enough
about the Bible.
I don't know enough enough to doso, or feeling like well, I
don't.
I don't know enough about theBible.

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I don't know enough about thisor that to lead or to feel like
I can disciple someone.

Yeah, what would you say?
Do we ever feel equipped tolike?
Do you like?
No, I never feel fully equippedand I'm somebody that like
unless I know I'm going to begood at it.
I really don't want to try andTrace and I have had so many
conversations about that and I'mlike I don't, I'm not going to

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get that.
I don't want to try, like Idon't know.
But, um, as far as like, how wegot into it, I honestly I don't
remember.
Like it's just, it just happenedand it was like, oh, but I
remember thinking um, I wantedto like get involved at church,
Like I wanted to serve, but Iwas like in the thick of like
little kids stuff.
And I also was working at thetime.
So like I was in the thick oflike pouring into like grade

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school kids work and I love, Ilove kids.
Like I always knew I wanted towork in like pediatric kind of
stuff for my job.
So I just felt like I cannotadd another avenue of life that
like involves small littles,because I will be like so

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drained because I'm in it athome, I'm in it at work and I
really didn't want to like be init in another aspect of my life
.
So senior high it was, orjunior high, I guess, it at work
, and I really didn't want tolike be in it in another aspect
of my life.
So, um, senior high it was, orjunior high, I guess.
So I'm like okay that's enoughdifferent, but it's still kid
and it still matters.
And I remember, like um, afterthey told me, hey, we have a
spot for eighth grade girls, andI, like the light went on in my

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head, um and I think it wasjust like a little God winkers,
like smile, because like eighthgrade for me was like when
everything kind of like startedshifting from like what are we
14 in eighth grade or so?
But like it was around 14, thatlike I started navigating like
relationships and like you know,like your body's changing and

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like you're just going throughlike hormone, I don't know, just
like all the things, all thisstuff.
But I remember eighth gradebeing like, I don't want to say
a detrimental year, but like asignificant year for me.
So like when God was likeeighth grade and I was like okay
, like that's good, um, but Ijust have like a love for, like

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my love for kids.
But then I've just like fallenin love with teenage girls.
I just think it's so hard to bea girl, um, it's hard to be a
woman, but like in this day andage it's so hard to be a girl
and so just to have, just to beable to facilitate a space for
them, to have a sense ofcommunity, um, but also like

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have an adult, like role modelkind of, because I I mean, we
all know like when we'reteenagers, did we want to listen
to our parents?
No, but were we more apt tolike listen to somebody who we
like admired and loved too andlike I don't know, like looked
up to like, yeah, um, so, um, Ijust kind of wanted, I just felt
kind of called to like enterthat space.

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I don't't know, it's been sogood just to like build
relationships and I mean, youknow, like these girls are going
through like stuff that Icannot even like comprehend,
right, and I don't know if itwas the same when we were
younger, like I feel like theworld's so different now and
like the things that they'reanxious about or worried about
is so like it's just differentthan and I don't know if I was

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just in this bubble as a teenand my parents did a good job of
like kind of keeping me notlike in a negative way in a
bubble, but like.
These girls are just differentthan what.
I expect like what I'mexperiencing now as an adult,
and like looking into the livesof like young people.

Yeah, no, I think I completely agree it.
It's.
It's so different and I feellike every generation probably
feels this way, but there's justdifferent problems that they
face, and for us, I think, a bigone social media yeah like we.
Well, we had myspace right yeah, myspace.

Or did you ever have bibo?
I didn't, nobody, nobody whatBebo is but.
Bebo was like my jam.

I don't know, I don't even know, I remember
people had Zanga, but I wasallowed to have Zanga Um, so I
was always jealous of that.

But you had a MySpace and then I got a
MySpace.
Okay, I never had a MySpace.
I went from Bebo, which must'vebeen just like a small B E B O.

Like if my friends from high school are
like listening to this.

You know what ?

B-O is.

But um, and then I went straight to Facebook
when I was like 14 or 15.

Then I had Facebook, but still like our.
Our computer was like in ourkitchen.

I had dial up ?

We had dial up, yes, and like you weren't doing
anything, that your mom or dadwas literally sitting right
there watching or monitoring orsomething, and now they have
access to everything, and I meaneven as grown women.
It can be hard to navigate,like comparison and pressures
with social media.
Yeah, nonetheless, being a 14year old girl, thank you, lord,

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that we did not have to gothrough that.

Yeah, I don't know.

Like I don't know.

And I don't know how I'm going to.
I have boys, so it's a littledifferent.
I feel like that with kids,yeah, but like navigating like
that with children, but I feellike, um, we're kind of
millennials.
So I feel like we're in thissweet spot of a generation where
, like we know what it's like Idon't know Like I feel like
we've just skipped, like we cansee, like the effects of the

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things, so like it's we, we knowbetter, so we do better.

Does that make sense?
Absolutely.
We're not removed from it, butwe're still ingrained in it.

Yeah, or like even like technology, like we
know what it's like to bewithout it and then we know what
it's like to be with it andlike to see, like what it kind
of does.

And it's not all bad.

No, no, I think if you use it as a tool
like it's great, or to stayconnected, like.

I don't know, but it's trying to navigate that
.

Yeah.

And who knows, I mean it's going to be so
different too Whenever we startto navigate that with our own
kids.
Yeah, I mean, I've just seenthat being a hard part with the
teenage girls, but also, I thinknot being around 14 year old
girls and then being around 14year old girls gives you like I
guess I was.
I saw them on social media,right Like that's where I saw 14

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year old girls, and then I gointo a room of 14 year old girls
and it was so nice to see thatthey are still 14 year old girls
.

Yeah.

You know what I mean.
Like you see them as somedifferent I don't you know what
I'm trying to say.
Like you see it differently onsocial media and I'd always tell
Jordan and he's like cause he?

teaches high school.
Yeah, he's like.

Yeah, he's like no, no, no, like these kids are
kids, Like they might lookgrown or something, but you talk
to them like they're still kids, like they still have that kid
in them, like they're still kidsand they're still fun.
And it's not like what youexpect, because I was scared
yeah, it's very intimidating.

I was nervous like teenage girls, like
they're kind of ruthless.
They can be like ruthless orperceived like that, but once
you like kind of break that iceand they're like girls, yeah,
they are and they, they have somuch love.
Yes, and they love, they love.
Do they come up to?

your church, yes, yes, and it makes me feel
so good.

I know.

I'm like oh baby.
Like I know, I know and youreally do just like get so
invested in them and you can seelike their heart.
But, like you said to some ofthem, do go through things that
I think we just luckily didn't,or weren't supposed to.
And you know, my sister is alsoa counselor at a high school and
she's like there's just thingsthat even go on at school that

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had to have been same issuesthat were going on when we were
in school.
It's just we as kids don't seethat stuff.
Yeah, you know so and likelooking back, I can see.

looking back, you can see it, I can see it.
I'm like oh my gosh like saythey had it hard Like and you
never know in the moment butlike I don't know.
So again, like in my littlebubble.
But so I know that there wasstuff that like was going on
around me, but I don't know,it's just different.

Yeah, they deal with adult problems sometimes
that you just hate for them tohave to even deal with, and so I
always remember you know, I'msure your mom was the same way
Like be kind to everyone youdon't know what they're going
through.
You never know what they'regoing through and it's like man,
that's so true.
Like in adulthood, but even moreso like with kids because,
adulthood, you're an adult andyou can handle it, but, like

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these kids sometimes go throughthings that are not theirs to go
through.
Yeah, I guess it's heavy, yeah,and yeah, it can be hard to
navigate.
Um, but I also wanted to talkto you about like you and trace
navigating ministry as a couple.
So like go back a little bit.
You said that he was a littlewhile you know everyone was

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different.
I was, I was wild in college andeverything and um, like, what
did it look like when you guysfirst started dating?
I know you grew up like in avery strong Christian household
and I'm not sure what hisbackground was, but, like,
whenever you started dating, washe full in, like full swing
Christian.
Did that you?
Did you see that involve in him?

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Like, did it evolve with youguys as a couple?
And whenever you stepped intothis like time of deciding, like
okay, we're going all in atchurch as a family.
Yeah, what did that look like?
Cause, like we said, that issacrifice with time.
I mean, it takes a commitmentfrom both of you to decide to do
something like this whetherit's just you serving, him

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serving, you guys servingtogether.
Yeah.

It's a commitment as a family.
Yeah, um.
So when we first started dating, we definitely like we're not
on the same page, like our faithwas, like not.
I mean he, he had faith butlike it just wasn't necessarily
like the same.
So, like navigating that, whiledating was kind of challenging,
like it was hard, um, becauselike here I was and I'm like

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this is what I believe, this iswhat I stand for, and um, it was
just different, like, but overtime, like, and I I remember
thinking like, if God is not inthis, like I cannot continue,
like to date him.
And we've had, like we hadconversations like about that,
um, which were really hard, butum, I don't know Like I truly

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feel, like I just like turned itover like to God, like I just
like sat in it and I was like Isee all these amazing qualities
like in this person, but like Icannot change him, like I cannot
make him want faith.
I cannot make him want a truerelationship with Jesus.
Like it is like God will haveto do that and he did.

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Like he.
I'm telling you like it'samazing to see like where Trace
has started and I mean nobody'sperfect but like, or even like
where I started and where I wasback then and like where we are
together now.
I mean it's like polar oppositeand that's it's just been
amazing.
It's like a slow transitionover time.
It's it's amazing, like to seehow transformative, like god can

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be when you just like give itto him and like let him do it.
I mean, we are called to likebe disciples, you know, and to,
like you know, kind of helppeople in like their walks of
faith, but we can't choose itfor them, um, and as a little
bit of a control freak, that ishard.
It's hard Um, but I think as faras like us both getting into

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like senior high ministry kindof stuff, um, he actually led I
think it was sixth grade like asixth grade group in college and
so he kind of had a little bitof experience with, like you
know, teens and stuff like that.
Um and I wanted to do seniorhigh and he was like, yeah, I
could like do that.

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I feel like that's important, Ifeel like I could kind of
contribute in that way and so weboth jumped on it and he
actually he has the grade.
So we did freshman girls thisyear he has 10th grade.
Oh cool, yeah, okay, so, um, butit's, and it's hard to like
make it work as a familytogether because, like, we both
have kids and obviously likeyour kids come first, but, um,

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we just had to like figure outlike what was important to us,
like as a family, and like wewant our kids to know that
investing in other people and inother like kids is important to
our family.
Like we're not just like sowrapped up in like what we're
doing, but like we care aboutothers and we care about like
our impact on others in theworld.

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So they don't understand thatyet.
But like I hope that they lookback and be like oh yeah, like
mom and dad were reallyintentional about doing that.
Yeah, and it's been a littlebit different, like with Cal,
because like I've been kind ofin and out, because sometimes
it's like I can't go tonight.

Yeah, you've got a newborn.

Yeah, I've got a newborn Um so that's been
a little challenging and trickyto figure out.
But you know we still try to belike really intentional.
Trace has been reallyconsistent and going but just
being intentional about likestill reaching out to the girls,
still having relationship withthem, even if I'm not showing up
every Wednesday night to kindof help, but yeah.

Yeah, I mean, and I feel like your voice will
fill, and probably already dofill the outpouring of that Like
Cruz favorite time is to go tochurch, like she loves to go to
church, so those people thatpour into her there, I mean you
can see it, you can see whatthey have done, like for my
daughter.
So it's not, it's not only usgoing and you know pouring into

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other kids, but they're gettingpoured into too, and then the
girls turn around and love onthem as well.

Like our girls love them.

Yeah, it's amazing yeah it is, so it's
really like a community, but Ilove like that.
You're talking about that.
You, it's important for us toinvest in other people.
Yeah, yeah.

And I want it for my kids Like I want.
I want, like good heartedpeople to invest in my kids.
So, like you give and likehopefully you get, you know, and
I think it's really important.
I just think it's so important.

So what would you say to like maybe a wife
that is feeling a little bit ofthe tug to try and ingrain their
family, maybe a little deeperinto the church or serve, and
you're like feeling maybe Idon't know, we've just never
been those people or we've neverlike taken that step, and I
mean your husband's your bestfriend.
You talk to him about everything, but sometimes bringing up
faith in the beginning, like ifit's not a normal conversation,

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can be a little intimidating,yeah, even to your person.
So what do you think is a goodway for maybe a mom, a wife, to
open up that conversation withtheir husband?

I think, just um, honestly I think, sticking
to your like, sticking to whatyou think, or even um, like you
know, going to church, even if Imean I would go to church like
in college, for example, I wouldgo to church like consistently,
but Tracy would always comewith me.
But, like I still, I still went,I still modeled, like my faith,

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I talked about it openly, likeI wasn't afraid to like, not
like I wanted to talk about it.
And so I think that, truly like, I think he could see, like, oh
, this is what a person of faithdoes.
And like yeah, it's not allthat hard to do, um, but I think
, just being like a model andexample of what is important to

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you and like sticking with it,like if you want to go to church
, like take your kids and go.

Yeah, um, and just say, maybe, like I would,
we're, I'm going to do this withthe kids.

I would love for you yeah to join like have
the in, have the open invite,but like you can't like tell
somebody like we're going orwe're you know, like that
doesn't feel good.
It's not like inviting it's, butI think it, as long as you're
like, if they can see it, thenthey know, oh, like that's
important to her, that'simportant to our kids, like

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that's important to our, that'simportant to our kids, like
that's important to our family,so like I want to be part of
that too.
Yeah, so I don't know.
I think just leaving likeliving is like a model and
example of maybe like a good wayto do it.
I don't know yeah.
I'm just like like I truly trustTrace, or I trust God with
Trace, Like from the beginning,I always trust.

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I'm like we we need to trustGod with, like the things that
are most important to us, and sojust like giving it, just like
giving it.

And pray.
I think praying for yourhusband like coming to God.
Like God, I'm feeling, likethis way.
I want to have thisconversation.
Please give me the words andlead me to be able to say things
correctly and give him a heartof openness yes, and reception
yeah, and.
I think it's okay to even startthe conversation like hey, I

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know this feels weird, maybe orlike I'm a little nervous to
even say this or I know thislike isn't me always but I'm
kind of feeling like maybe weshould do this or I should do
this, or I want to do this andI'd love for our kids and you
yeah to do it with me.

Yeah, yeah and it's hard for it, like I saw
this Instagram reel the otherday and it was like if a man
gets involved in, like, yes,have you seen.

I saw that where it's like.

If a man like gets involved with like the
church his family is like likelyto follow, whereas, like if a
woman like initiates that likeit's always it's not as like
effective.
Like men are like born into,natural like leadership in a way
, not that a woman can't, butlike it's just kind of how like
I feel like God designed it and,um, I can totally see that,

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like I, I can totally see itlike trace, like wanting, like
it is so easy to follow him.
It is so easy, yeah, it's soeasy to jump on with, like what
he wants to do.
When, like it aligns, I'm just.

I don't know if it like works the other way
around as well, but yeah, oh, ifTrace is in, I'm like yeah,
babe, let's do it Like I can bekind of on the fence about
something and if Jordan's like,no, I think that's a good idea.

Yeah, I feel like it is yes, I don't know how
to explain it, I don't knowit's so affirming.
I feel like, as women, we justkind of look for that.
Maybe not everybody, but like Idon't know, just to be, I don't
know, hurt in your decisions.

Yeah by the person that you, that you love
and yeah, trust and respect andadmire so much, yeah, yeah, well
, I do love that's great.

That's a good conversation.

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becoming parents, to grievingloss and now raising two boys.
In the middle of it all you'veshared so honestly that your
marriage has changed in big ways.

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What have those shifts lookedlike for you and Trace, both
through heartbreaking seasonsand joyful ones, and what has
helped you guys both stay rooted, connected in your love for
each other, even when life'smoving fast and the margins
filled in?

um, you know, as far as like heartbreaking
kind of stuff goes, I feel likewhen like hard stuff hits us,
like either hits him or me or ustogether, like I, I feel like
we now like we just run to jesus, like we run to g, like um we.

(54:08):
So we had wade and we actuallyhad a miscarriage in between
Wade and Cal which was like thehardest thing I have ever like
been through, like that was justrock bottom.
And so now we look at eachother and we're like we have a
threshold for hard like all this, like little stuff that's so
hard, it's like it is.

(54:30):
it's you don't sweat the smallstuff as much anymore when you
go through something that isjust so hard.
But like when we fell, we wereat like our lowest, both of us.
But like I feel like we justran to Jesus, like truly, and
you kind of wonder, like whensomething hard hits you, I mean
like there's been hard stufflike throughout my whole life

(54:51):
but where do you like?
Do you make?
Do you let like?
Do you make?
Do you let it make you or do doyou let let it break you?
like truly, and like where, whenyou fall, are you landing, like
in a say in, like the safeembrace of your like heavenly
father, or are you like on thepolar end, where you're like,
why is this happening?
Like?
What purpose is it like ifthere's a god who loves me?

(55:13):
Like, why is this happening?
So, when something hit us sohard, like as a married couple,
we just like nestled into jesus.
I mean they were, and it wasweird because, like during like
such a hard thing, it didn'tseem as heavy and hard, like it
was gut-wrench, heartbreaking,but like we just felt like this

(55:35):
overwhelming sense of peace andconnection.
It was so.

That peace, that makes no sense.

And to have experienced it, I feel like, is
truly a gift in itself.
Like to experience this senseof peace that you don't know
where it has come from, and forhim to like, as a woman, like
who's losing something.
Yeah, like you experienced that, but like for your husband to
empathize and feel it in asimilar way.

(56:05):
It's so connective.
Like it is so connective.
It was like a hard time for us,but it was almost like a really
good thing for our marriage yeslike there was such purpose in
it all.
Um, so yeah, that was just hard,but like even going through

(56:26):
transitions and like growingpains of like right now, for
example, we're transitioningfrom one kid to two kids yeah,
and this has been good.
Like the experience of addinganother member to our family has
been like easy.
It's like I don't know Likethis has been meant to be, yeah.

Yeah.

Like it's been very different than it was.
Going from like zero one, LikeI feel like one to two was like
oh, like we're already in this,this is what we do.
There's like a newfound, likeconfidence that you didn't have
the first time and you don'tworry about things the way that
you did the first time.
But something that super caughtme off guard was like oh, with
Wade going from zero to one, wewere doing so much of the work

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together, like bath timetogether, cooking dinner
together, like all this stuff.
But now we are tag teaming andtogether is my favorite place to
be.
Like together is my favoriteplace to be.
I don't care who I'm with.
Like the togetherness, likeright now.
This is so cup filling for mejust like being with people, um,

(57:28):
and like being with my familyor being with trace, and so to
have this feeling of like we aretag teaming our children Like
I've got baby, you've got to doyour thing.

Yes.

Like we do, we do things like so, like
together, but like so separately, and I it's getting better, but
like I miss trace, like I misshim, I miss and I miss way too
you know, like I miss ourtogetherness.
Um, so we're kind of liketransitioning and it's like I
said, it's getting better, likeit's not in the same place.

(58:00):
It was like even a month or sixweeks ago Like it gets better.
But nobody wants to do likehard stuff, but when you can
come out on the other side of itand like feel like proud that
you stuck to it and it gotbetter, I just think it can be
so building for your marriageand relationship and your family

(58:20):
.

No, I can relate so much, like the whole
time, because I feel the same,like Wilder is a dream baby and
he just fits so perfectly.
But we've like had to, like Isaid, like assign kids.
Like he takes crew and I takeWilder, and I mean there was
multiple nights in a row wherehe was sleeping with crew and I
was sleeping with Wilder, andlike we weren't even in the same

(58:43):
room and I'm like this yeah,you just get to where you miss
each other so much and likeyou're not having that time
because then during the day he'sat work, I'm at work, like the
kids are doing their thing and,like you said too, like I just
missed crew and you're so usedto being a family of three all
three of you, you know, and it'syou love having that additional

(59:06):
part.
But yeah, it can be hard tolike split that and, like you
said, it does not last forever.
Like yeah, it's just always ashort time, and I think already
doing it once gives you thatperspective though, because,
like the first time with crew,how she did not sleep too, like
I truly felt like that wouldnever, never sleep, we will

(59:28):
never get through this, likethis will never end and like,
looking back, that that washorrible.
But it's a short time, likethese seasons are so short, yeah
, and so I think just beingintentional of like finding
connectivity where you can is soimportant.
Like even this weekend, we'vegot to go do something in dallas
, like for whatever, andjordan's gonna tag along, like

(59:51):
just so we can have some timeyeah, alone, yeah, so it's
important, like it really isimportant.

And I mean, it doesn't look like a vacation
to Cabo right now, becausethat's not what we're in, it's
not, it's truly.
I'm like man, I would love that.
But if I can go to TexasRoadhouse with Trace and eat my
dinner rolls with my cinnamonbutter you know what I'm saying
I'm like okay, I'll take itright now.

Alexis Schmoker (01:00:19):
You'll take it where you can get it, cause I'm
like even the four hour car ride.
I hate being in the car, butI'm like even the four hour car
ride to Dallas, like just thetwo of us.
You're excited, I'm excited.

Jessica Drummond (01:00:26):
I'm like I can't wait.

I'm like Friday night we're going to drop the
kids off at after work.
Stuck with me for four hours,yeah, four hours, and then four
hours home, baby Eight hours.
Oh, I know, I know it's goingto be real romantic.

And I've got continuing education.
They're literally watching thisright now, being like I hated
that eight hour?

I don't know that was rough.

That was rough.
I know you're excited aboutthat oh.

Oh my goodness, Men are built different too.
I know Like they just like whatwe crave?

they don't necessarily, and I'm like you
don't want that too.

You don't want that quality time.
Yeah, Come on Well.
I know and it's hard and to getnot to get like too personal,
personal stuff too, but it canjust be hard like being intimate
together whenever you're goingcrazy.
Like this is real.
I feel like y'all, we're, we'rereal talk on here and I know
we're all kind of going throughthat, like there are kids around

(01:01:17):
You're not always feeling cute,like it can just be hard to
find like those times to connectmore deeply, to like and again,
y'all, it's a phase and you'reexhausted too, you're exhausted.

exhausted you don't always.
And like postpartum too.

Yeah.

You don't feel like your best well you
don't feel like your best self,but you don't even feel like
yourself, sometimes no, likesome days I'm like I'm back baby
, but like other days I'm likewhat I haven't showered in two
days.

Like who, who am I?
You're like, remember I used tobe?
Yes, yeah, I used to do likefun, cool things, yeah, and I
still am.
But yeah, sometimes you don'tfeel that way.
So if you are feeling alone,even on that front too, like, I
hope you don't feel alone,though.

Because people just don't talk about it.

People don't talk about it, and even right
now I feel awkward even sayingit, but it's, it's real.
So, guys, it's going to pass.

It's just a season.
But you have to know that, likeit's, it's a seat, like it
literally is just a short time,and if you're so aware of that,
like if you, as long as you'renot letting it like just, become
your new normal?

Yeah, absolutely.
You have to be like, sointentional and like keep
yourself in check, Like yeahthis.

This is like the way it is right now, but
like we got to get back or weneed to like, move on to
something different and likegrow and figure it out.

And it's okay to like, get babysitters or take
, you know, have them go over tograndparents to go out on a
date, like you said, texasroadhouse like two hours or
whatever.
Yeah Like you have to beintentional about having that
time too, cause, like you said,it is a season, but you, you
can't let it become your newnormal.
Exactly yeah, for you or him,it's just not.

You also have to prioritize your yeah, you
don't want it to slip.

You always have to prioritize your marriage,
but also you're not alone infeeling like it's hard right now
.
It's hard right now.
Yeah, because it is yeah andit's going to be okay.

Yeah, it through.

And eventually we're all going to go to Cabo.
Yes, we are Okay, we're allgoing to go on a trip Like soak
up the sunshine, yeah.

Like I'm going to wear my um motherhood's
, my ministry hat.

So like I protect my skin.

Yes, after we put on our sunscreen.
Yes, because we are pale blondepeople.
Yes, and that is a thing.

That is a thing .
So much so Okay, so going intosomething else, that can kind of
feel hard sometimes, like yourcalling of the season.
So I love that you said that acalling doesn't have to be a job
title.
You know it isn't forever.
This idea is so freeing in aworld that glorifies that hustle
and the labels of everything.
What does a calling mean to you, and how did you learn to trust

(01:03:50):
God that your calling mightlook different in different
things in different seasons,from speech path to stay at home
, mom, and you even have yourcreative business?
So what would you say to themoms who are wrestling with the
idea that what she's doing rightnow, even if it's quiet, unseen
or messy, might be her exactcalling for this time?

I think it's just so beautiful that we can
move in and out of like seasonsand be like different people in
and out of seasons, Like rightnow in my stay at home mom era.
Like I don't put, I put onmakeup for you today.

Yeah, you look beautiful.

But, um, I don't know, like it's just
there's a time and place forevery season.
There truly is.
And so, um, I don't know, likeit's just there's a time and
place for every season.
There truly is.
And so, um, I don't think weshould be nervous to like shift
in it.
I mean, we all are easier saidthan done, but like shifting in
and out of seasons doesn't haveto be like scary.

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And just because, like likewhen I, um, when we decided like
it was going to be better forme just to be at home right now
and like to kind of walk awayfrom the speech path thing, I
worked my booty off.
I worked my booty off for mydegree, and my parents
sacrificed so much for thatdegree, and so I've had this
sense of like man, like this is,I feel kind of guilty about

(01:05:13):
this and, um, I really love whatI do and I feel like I was
decent, I mean, I'm, I'm decentat it, like I um.
So it was kind of hard to walkaway because, like your career,
like your professional career,kind of becomes like an identity
marker.
Like if you think about it like, hey, well, like, my name is
Jessica marker.

Like, if you think about, it like hey, well,
like my name is.

Jessica, what do you do, yes, and what do you
say?
You always, you always say yourjob.
Like you always say your job.
So, like even meeting newpeople, I'm like, oh, like I'm a
speech path by trade, but rightnow I'm doing like the stay at
home mom thing and I'm you know,it's just like what we're doing
right now.
Um, so like leaving and likekind of letting that part of me

(01:05:57):
just like lay low for a littlebit.
The idea of that was hard, butlike once I got past past it and
like kind of into this new,like this is just what I'm doing
right now, like I can get.
I can pick that back up laterand I will, like I, I love it,
like I love it.
I've done central ward in it,but like right now I feel like

(01:06:17):
this is just where my familyneeds me most right now and it's
just you just kind of go withit, like and know that it's a
short time and like this is sucha sweet time, like to be at
home, like with babies.
It's such a sweet time.
Like it is hard, like it's it'shard to be at home with babies,

(01:06:39):
but like it won't be like thisforever but I just I get to see
so much I get to shape characterright now, um, in a way that
like I just don't feel like Icould have just having, uh,
multiple kind of things on myplate and like you can do, it
all, like people do it all, andI am like my jaw just hits the

(01:07:01):
floor when I just see like momsrocking so many roles.
But also like, if you justreally want to focus on
something like, you can do ittoo, Like, and you can pick up
other things later.
Yeah, you can do it too, likeand you can pick up other things
later.
Um, even like my a call tocreate kind of stuff that I do
on this side.
It's kind of taken a backburner right now.
Like I was super into it for alittle bit, um, but we've

(01:07:25):
recently moved, um, it's summerbreaks and I have like weighed
all the time, um, so I justdon't have as much time and
that's okay.
Like I can, like I'm gettingthe older, I get the better I am
at just like leaving thingsRight and like knowing I can
pick them back up when itbecomes.
It's not?

over, Like those things aren't over and
we're.
We're kind of like the totalflip side of that because I'm
working full time.
Yeah, um, my husband is ateacher, so you know we have the
option of, during the summer,like, does he supplement and get
a summer job or does he stayhome?
Yeah, and so he stays home.
So that's like kind of thatsacrifice that he makes, like

(01:08:08):
and he loves it Like I saysacrifice, he, he like, thrives
in it you know, and even ourfirst year of doing that, I was
nervous because crew was fivemonths whenever it came summer.
And so I'm going from like beingon maternity leave and he was
in soccer season.
So he was gone, like he wasbusy in soccer season when I was

(01:08:30):
on maternity leave, and thenall of a sudden, like it's my
time to go to work, and I'm likealready, yeah, I'm going to
work and I get ready to likestep out and I'm like, ugh, yeah
, but wait, I'm like are yousure?
Do you know you can do this?
Like just questioning, and ofcourse he like thrived at it.

Yeah, and they don't yeah.

And even though , like sometimes I'm like what
do you mean?
But like they he does excellentand just fine, and like that's
his time to like connect and sokind of the same thing this
summer, I'm like, okay, there'stwo of them now.
Yeah, like are you sure?
Yeah, you've got this, cause Iknow it can be hard, like it can
be hard being at home with themby yourself all day long.

Like you got to feed them.

You got to do all the things and I think just
he stresses less about likethey'll go to air Topia, the
jump park.
I've never taken crew and wildor both to air Topia by myself
at the jump park because thatoverwhelms me.
I can't do that.

Lots of movement.
Man Movement is so triggeringto me I don't know what it is.

Overstimulated Like to him it's no big deal.
And they go and they have ablast and they come home tired,
yeah, and.
I'm like it is true, sometimesshe just she's a different beast
, but I don't know, like it'sjust, there is seriously like a
calling and a season foreveryone, though Like and I
never thought I would want to bea stay at home mom until I had

(01:09:55):
kids, and then like, yeah, I'vewanted to you know, but it's
just not in our thing right now.
You just like it'll come around.

Yeah, make whatever works and like, even if
you don't stay at home, likeyou can still be just as
intentional when you get home,yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I went back to workafter I had weighed and it was
so good for like it was so good.

I mean, it was good for our family for me to
like have a minute, yeah,because I kind of grieved like
who I was before and who I wouldbecame in a way, and so I like
needed this like identity kindof right speech path like yeah,
like I'm a mom now, but like Ineeded a little bit of my like
old self to help me feel kind ofnormal.

(01:10:38):
Yeah, if that makes sense.
No, I do.

Um, so it's just, I don't know, I've been
flow, but it was different thistime.

I don't know.

Like you're already kind of a mom and it and
it I don't know Like it justyeah, this is who you are now.
Fully embraced.

This is who you are now fully embraced.
Yeah, this is who you are.
So I can definitely I relate tothat because I think it was
like an identity thing too formy husband, like he's Mr
stay-at-home dad, yeah, likehe's full-time dad.
And I feel like whenever peopleare like, oh, who keeps your
kids or do your kids go todaycare, I'm like my husband and
they're like what?

yes, and I'm like no, yeah, he does yes, but
like men are so good for kidsyes, like they are so good for
kids and I have to remember likeTrace on his own is so good for
our kids.
Oh, it's different.
Yes, and like you know, they geta lot of me on my own right now
, but like Trace on his own,yeah, I mean he he may feel like

(01:11:33):
a little like overwhelmed.
I mean he's a wonderful dad,like he is the best, but like I
hope he knows how good he is forour boys Like and I I hope that
I'm going to tear up thinkingabout saying this but like he's
such, he's such a good man thatlike I hope that our boys grow
up to be a lot like him.
And that's another reason I'mlike God gave me boys, because

(01:11:56):
he gave me Trace, and like we'rejust going to raise, like
there's a responsibility to likeraise good men that are good
for the world that are leadersin their homes, that love their
families, love their wives, loveJesus, and just are good, like
or just good.
good, because the world is sofull of like.

(01:12:18):
Not good, but I'm like, no, I'mputting out good product.

Like.

I, with the help of Jesus Christ, like by
golly, I'm putting out like goodhumans.

What is it like ?
The song, a song of Solomon,where at the end he says like
children, a blessing, like theyare an arrow yes, warrior, yes
and that's how I I feel of it,like god has given you, like
these arrows like to shootstraight and you are putting out
like just a little army of godyou know, crew always sings like
I'm in the lord's army.

(01:12:48):
That song, yes, and I'm like,but that is like.
So such a picture, though, likeyou are, given these little
people that you can put out forthe Lord's army, yes, yeah, like
, and go out to raise them to bedisciples themselves.
And I know I feel like I hearso many people who will say like

(01:13:09):
I just want, like my kids, tobe exposed and like be able to
choose whatever makes them happywith their faith like whatever
faith, and I, I don't know.
It's hard.
It's so hard too because youhave to trust that they will
choose Jesus, but it's likeright now, when they're in my
house and I have the ability toteach them like I feel such a

(01:13:31):
responsibility.
It.

It's heavy, Like it could be heavy, it could
be heavy.
It's like this is like mypurpose, like purpose whether
you work or not.

Absolutely, that's your purpose.
Yeah, like is to make adisciple.

Yes, and that I mean that's hard Like that's
intimidating a lot when you kindof think about it, it is.

It's a big thing to think about.
Yeah, yeah, and so I don't know, and I think maybe people just
haven't like sat in it.
Yeah, maybe, whenever you'resaying that.
So I just encourage you maybeto sit in it, cause I have
probably too much and it can bea lot, just because it's a big
responsibility, for sure.

We're equipped to do it because we're
called to do it.
And like God equips us, hegives us, like, what we need to
be able to do that Like in Idon't know like it's.
That's that makes it like lessintimidating and less scary.
And you, literally there was aum, who was it?
It was the last one I listenedto, um, when she was talking
about, like, doing the nextright thing.
Oh, kristen, Kristen, yes, sogood, um.

(01:14:36):
But you just, I mean like, ifyou sit in your present I was
talking about earlier, and thenjust have that mentality of like
, okay, god, like what's next?
What do you want today?

What do you?

want for like us, like next week, like just
day by day, trusting that he'sjust gonna like pave the way.
And then you just like keepdoing the next right thing?
Like you just such a?
It doesn't have to beoverwhelming and like yeah, yeah
, it doesn't have to beoverwhelming and intimidating
Like it can be that simple.

It can be that simple.
Yeah, and that's all you haveto do.
Yeah, yeah.

Oh, so good, she was so good, she's so good I
know.

She's so, so beautiful inside.
Yeah, like, oh, I love her.
Okay, so you said that you're aproud Buick kid.
That made me laugh because youknow Chad will see that it's so
funny.
So a Buick is a brought up inchurch kid and that your story
has always been, you know, asteady pursuit.
Honestly, that's the dream,just like we were talking about

(01:15:29):
as moms, like that's our dreamfor our kids is that they'll
grow up knowing and loving Jesusjust from the start, and you
credit your parents for helpingbuild that foundation for you
and your brother.
So what is something that theydid that really impacted your
faith journey, and how are youcarrying that legacy forward
with Wade and Cal, hoping theirstories with Jesus will feel
steady and rooted on their own?

I don't think I could have answered this
question before I had kids.
Yeah, like, truly, I thinkhaving kids just changes so much
of the way that you think oreven like, look at your parents,
your perspective is sodifferent.

Yes, um, you can't conceptualize it before.

No, you have no idea, um.
But now, looking back, I likelooking back at my parents.
I think my parents did abeautiful job of knowing in
their gut that we were nevertheirs Like we.
We were never theirs and they,to this day, I mean they'll
still say we trust, we trustthat God's got you, like as an

(01:16:25):
adult child.
But I think something that theydid really well was just like
clinging to the thought of likethese aren't our kids, to like
um, and you know, they've neverlike come out and said that.
But I can look and say, likeman, like they really see how
they did.
Yeah, I can see how they didthat.
And it's something that, like Iwant to do and need to do, like

(01:16:49):
for for my family, because,like I mean we were kind of
talking a while ago like ourkids are not, they're not ours,
I mean, they're made for us andus for them, which I think is so
beautiful.
Like that Wade and Cal werealways in the cards for me,
always like God's so good.

Everything growing up, everything has
prepared you for this.

Yes, from the time I was like Wade's age,
like he was always made to bemine.
From the time I was like anewborn, like cal, like he was
always made to be mine and it'schill, yeah, it's chilling.
But, um, I think that as long asyou like keep that in mind and
like truly give your children oryour husband like over to jesus

(01:17:32):
, like daily, and you know I'mnot like waking up saying like I
give my children and husband toyou, god but, like, as long as
you keep that in your in yourheart, in your heart, and like
know, like when times get hard,like no, like I know who has me
and I know who has my husbandand who has my kids, like I know
, know who holds all of us, um,but I think that's something

(01:17:57):
that they did really well atwithout like I don't know, like
looking back on that, and it'ssomething I want to do for my
kids, yeah, Do you think they,like intentionally had these
conversations behind the scenes?

I don't know, like, probably.

My peers are great.
I like to ask them yeah, hi mom,hi guys, I know I love you so
much and I appreciate them somuch more now as like a mom,
then I don't know but, and theywould say, like they're, like we
messed up so much, jessica, I'mlike did you like Look at, look
at where you are.
Yeah, Like I like I think hedid okay and I can look back and

(01:18:43):
be like, yeah, that was a hardseason.
Or like they joke about welistened to like K-Love growing
up, or like contemporaryChristian music I never had.
I wanted a Shania Twain CD.
so bad when I was young Like Iwant a Shania Twain CD, so bad.

And I never had a Shania Twain.
Now you're a Shania girl.

Oh, I love Shania.
Like you can't keep me from heryeah.
Jesus loves Shania too.

The Lord has connected us.
Jesus loves Shania too.

But they like to this day.
They were like we should havejust gotten you the Shania Twain
CD.
We're messed up so much and I'mlike good grief, you just do
what you can they?
Good grief, you just do whatyou can Like, that's a joke at
this point.
Like you, you did what youthought was best.

Like you were filling my head with, like all
this wholesome stuff.
Not that Shania is notwholesome.

But like I mean, you just do what you think
is best, and like it's hard todraw that line.
Yes, and there will be thingsthat I look back on.
I'm like why did I care so muchabout?

that Like.
Why did I not?

like you know , but in the moment it feels
really big and feels reallyimportant.
And I mean I see it like I seeit now, um, so yeah, but also I
think, too, like makingcommunity around your kids
that's going to like pour intothem is so important to you.
Like you get to choose who, whohelps who, who is part of your

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village.
Does that make sense, like, andyou want just like wholesome
kids, wholesome parents likearound, because it does take a
village, but I think it's reallyimportant to surround yourself
and your kids and your familywith people that like are like
minded, um, are people of faith,who are like pushing and
pursuing you to like keep up thegood work, like raising humans.

(01:20:18):
That like it's really it reallymatters and um, so I just feel
like giving your kids over toGod and then like making sure
that like your community aroundyou is solid yeah, it's just so
important and like children area gift from God, but like so is
community.
Absolutely, your village is agift.
It's a gift.

Yeah, Um, my parents did such a good job at
that too, because some of ourlike best friends to this day
are like our parents bestfriends and their kids, and so
it's they're the cooks.
They went to OSU.
Maybe you know them, Um, butthey have a daughter my age, a
daughter um Addie's age and thena son Avery's age and I mean

(01:20:59):
even like Avery and Eli, bestfriends through college.
They both just graduated Likethey were at Avery's um
graduation party, like Kelseydoes my hair, like they are
still so ingrained in our lifeand they've even, like, moved
away, moved back, like we'vebeen separated.
But my parents did such a goodjob like grounding us and
building community around goodpeople, you know, and just
having good people pour into usand you know we were always in

(01:21:23):
the VBS school, you know, anddoing all the things.
And then whenever we got bigger, like even our soccer community
, whenever your kids are playingsports, like we still have even
people through our soccercommunity that our parents chose
to be friends with in that,within that group, that are
still our friends to this dayyou know like just good people,
yeah.
So I think, yeah, just who yousurround your kids with matters.

so much, but that can also be hard to find.

It can be so hard to find.
You have to be intentionalabout seeking it out.
I feel so blessed, so blessed.

Yes, I feel so blessed that, like it just
kind of like found us, and I'mnot from here.

Like I don't.

I didn't grow up here and live here, but like
I feel community like it wouldbe it'd be so hard to leave
where we are because of, justlike the way that God has just
provided, like so much communityaround us.
But that can be really hard forpeople, like for some people,
to find.

Um, yeah.
And it's okay to like invite,like even next week, okay.
So for example, we're havingtacos and yeah, like you're
coming over, katie from oursmall group leaders coming over,
and then a couple of othergirls and husbands and families
that I met at a coffee shop.
Like one of the girls, amy is asmall group leader.
I met her, we went to coffee,we met, like her friend and her

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husband, at the coffee shop.

Like one of the girls amy is a small group
leader.
I met her.
We went to coffee, we met likeher friend and her husband at
the coffee shop and I was justthat instant, like I was like
these are good people.
Yeah, like I like that.
You know, you know in your gutyou're like, yeah, they're good
people.

It takes like being intentional, of being like
hey, I know this is like kindof weird, but do you guys all
want to come over and havedinner together and let our kids
play and they're like, yeah,people want to be invited too
yes you know.
So, just as much as yeah, youlike want community, other
people want community too, yeah,and so maybe taking that step,
like it's easy, I guess, to waitfor it to come to you but you

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can also take that step to belike hey, let's all like go get
coffee or come over for dinnerand it with kids.
We know a big show is not alwaysthe way to go like.
Sometimes it is just like gosheveryone show up.
Yeah, whatever happens happens,yeah come up like you bring the
beans, I'll bring the taco meat, bring a towel for the kids and
, like it's nothing fancy, yeahcome hang and I mean just

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building, building thatcommunity.

Yeah, we got people over our house last night
and everybody that showed uphad like babies.
Yeah, um, because my husband'sbirthday is tomorrow.

So we kind of celebrate, we celebrate on our
anniversary.
It was so weird.

Um, but all these people like kind of um, it
came and babies, and babies andbabies.
It was so funny because peoplewere like hey, do you have a
changing mat?

I'm like yeah, Do you have an extra?

we forgot a bottle Like do you have like
formula on hand?
I'm like, yeah, like what do?
You need Um.
Hey, can I go feed?
Maybe I'm like go to my room.
There's a chair, it's cozy.
Do you want um a boppy or doyou want the um mommy or the mom
cozy?

Like whatever you know yeah.

We're all in it.
It's just it feels a littleless alone.
It feels a little I mean it'schaotic, but like, yeah,
everybody else is in chaos tooand you don't have to feel bad
about like this feels chaotic inmy world, but like it's the
same in everybody else's too,it's awesome it's awesome it
won't be like this forever itwon't the chaos is not forever
no, you're gonna go through itlike.

We went to the lake yesterday with our friends
and they have two boys and thena newborn too, and I mean, yeah,
she was having to go feed.
We were like changing off naptime schedules, like and it just
it's.
It's, everyone is in chaos andit's easier to be together.
Yes, like you're, you're inchaos whether you're at your
house, yeah, or you're atsomeone else's house, whether
you're at the zoo, whatever.

Like, it's just easier, like you said,
together yeah, togetherness isso and, like I, have sets of
friends that we joke like we'relike well, bring the chaos.
Yeah, Like, truly Like, we justshow up and you know, I may be
watching somebody else's kid fora second while they're watching
mine.
Yeah, and it's like you help mykid, I help your kid.
It's just like we, even if it'schaos.

Yeah, or even if you don't actually get to sit
down and talk to each other.

Yeah, which is kind of sad right now in this
season, but again it won't belike this forever.

You'll like make some passing conversations
in the midst of it, but I just Ilove that, yeah, okay.
Well, jess, I love this so much.
Yeah, this is so fun.
Thank you so much for beingmore than just a guest.
You're such a true gift and youdo such a crucial part in the
podcast of being my executiveproducer editor Thanks.

(01:25:39):
Extraordinaire.
So she is just the oneencouraging in the background
and offering that honestfeedback and speaking just
beauty and clarity into everysingle episode.
So thank you so much and guysmake sure to follow Jess at A
Culture Create.
We didn't even talk about ACulture Create, really, because
you kind of said that.

Listen, I'll come back.
Yeah, we'll have to do itanother time.

Yeah, this is something.
I didn't even know about youuntil we started?

Yeah, a lot of people don't.
They're like wait, this is you.

And I'm like, yeah, it's a a dot call dot to
dot create.
On instagram, just howinstagram liked it, yeah, and on
your website, a culturecreateco.
So I will link them in the shownotes.
But guys check it out, it's sobeautiful and it's so meaningful
and joy-filled just the artthat you create.
So, whether it's a custom pieceor a live event, that was so

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I love that I have a wedding this weekend, do
you really?
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I'm doing like live sketches ofthe event.

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Except for this probably won'tcome out before.
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Okay, so thank you to all ofyou guys listening.
Thanks for joining us today.
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mama.
So just keep it up.
We love you, we're praying foryou.
We'll see you next time.
Mama, I'm so grateful that youtook time out of your busy

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.
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