Elon Says the Quiet Part Out Loud: AI Will RULE Humans, No More Money, BILLIONS of Robots

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a
world gone bad. I'm your host,Seth Holehouse. One of the
greatest threats to humanity, Ithink it's literally an
existential threat to the humanrace is the rise of technocracy,
the rise of the technologythat's being built that in the

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wrong hands or in the wrong AIbrain could be used to enslave
us. And just Thursday this weekat a, you know, kind of very
exciting and and entertainingshareholder event for Tesla,
Elon Musk laid out his visionfor the Optimus robot for the
role of AI. And while a lot ofpeople are cheering it on and

(00:56):
saying, wow.
This is great. It can end worldpoverty. As I'm watching this,
I'm thinking, oh my goodness.This is like, this is Terminator
movie playing out right in frontof me. And so my guest today is
Derek Brose, who is a fearlessinvestigative journalist
journalist that's not afraid togo against the grain and report
on this.
And he's he's been seeing thethe threat of technocracy for a

(01:18):
very long time. And I think thatwhat we'll talk about today is
that it's it's here, whetherit's what's happening under
Tesla, whether it's happeningwith American companies building
drones that are surveillingAmerican, you know, people and
protesters and everything, to alot of what we've seen on the
Trump administration,unfortunately, with Larry
Ellison and Bill Gates andZuckerberg and Sam Altman. So
we're gonna be diving into allthat and more on today's show.

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Alright. Please enjoy the showwith Derek Bros. Derek Bros,
man, it's good to have you backon the show, and there's a lot
to talk about today. So thankyou so much for being here with
us.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Thanks for having me back, brother. I appreciate it.
I definitely think this is, animportant conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
It is. And it's funny because we've been working on
getting a schedule for thisdiscussion for a couple of weeks
now, and something popped upearlier this week about, you
know, an American drone companythat's basically using drones on
American citizens, you know, forspying the same way they're
using them over in Israel. Thatwas a topic, and we'll we'll
talk we'll touch upon that. Butthen last night was the Tesla

(02:37):
shareholder meeting, And the theclips that I saw coming off of
this in the news about whatElon's presenting was so mind
blowing that I was like, okay. II got I gotta we we gotta hit
this today.
So if if it's okay with you,I'll I'll dive into some
information that we can thenkind of pull piece together, and
I can get your comments on it.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah. Absolutely. Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I hadn't even I hadn't even seen that the
shareholder meeting was goingon, but I

Speaker 2 (03:02):
know it's usually a time where Elon is, feeling the
most comfortable and likes tosay all kinds of wild things.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh, and there's there's some wild things that
we've got today. But first firstoff, I actually just wanna kind
of, bring attention to this.It's interesting. So I went on,
just search just on the startpage, and I just searched for,
Musk optimists. And and Ithought that there the articles
we'd be seeing coming out are,you know, Elon Musk's announced
plan for tens of billions ofoptimist robots, you know,

(03:30):
etcetera.
Every single article on here isabout how Elon Musk danced with
a robot, and how he's gonna geta trillion dollar pay package.
Like, every single article onhere. You know, trillion dollar
pay package, trillion dollar paypackage. Right? Here's one that
says they can text and drive,trillion dollar pay package.
Trained dollar pay package.Like, he dances with a robot. It

(03:50):
just shows you that, like, thisis the coverage of of this
event, which as we're gonnadetail today is, I think, such a
significant thing in the overallpath of humankind. And, of
course, people are justconcerned about how much money
he's gonna make and the factthat he was dancing with a
robot, which is just I don'tknow. It just, I guess, reminds
me of where where we are at inhistory as a as a race.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah. I you know, I'm I'm looking at some of the the
quotes. I did find at least onearticle that was just I mean,
it's kind of still like a bit ofa silly article, but it's titled
The Wildest Stuff Elon Said.It's definitely there's some
worries and things in there thatdescribing this Optimus robot in
the way that it'll be used inthe future and allegedly, it's
going to eliminate poverty. It'sgoing to save humanity.

(04:34):
It's going to be the bestsurgeon. It's going to replace
humans in all these differentways.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's, it's crazy. So I'll start with the, I'll just
kind of run through a couple ofthings. So first off, I won't
play this clip because it's acouple minutes long, but when he
says he says the he's referringto their office. He says the
robots are just walking aroundthe office twenty four seven
with no one minding them, andthey go and charge themselves.
Here's the key.
It's going to be the biggestproduct of all time, bigger than

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cell phones, bigger thananything. There could be tens of
billions of robots. Like, thatis important in terms of what is
his vision. It's not somethingwe're like, hey. We wanna create
kinda like like a TeslaRoadster.
We wanna create the the perfectvehicle for the the enthusiast
looking for a fast electric car.It's like, no. He wants to
replace the human workforce.Then continuing, here's as he

(05:20):
gets into, you know, talkingabout poverty, I'll play this
clip. It's about it's fiftythree seconds long.
But let's go let's just givethis a listen.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
You know, people often talk about, like,
eliminating poverty, givingeveryone amazing medical care.
Well, there's actually only oneway to do that, and that's with
the Optimus robot. With humanoidrobots, you can actually give
everyone amazing medical care.So, terms of Optimus will be

(05:52):
more precise. Optimus willultimately be better than the
best human surgeon with a levelof precision that that isn't
possible, that that is beyondhuman.
So, I think that's that's apretty wild concept to say, if
you you know, there's all peoplealways talked about eliminating
poverty but actually optimistswill actually eliminate poverty.

(06:14):
Optimists will actually givepeople incredible medical care.

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Speaker 2 (07:28):
So, you know, when I hear what he's talking about
there eliminating poverty, forone thing, it's worth noting
that that's also United NationsSustainable Development Goal for
whatever that's worth. I thinkmost people would support the
idea of eliminating poverty, butit's also when we get discussing
these sort of utopian ideals,often we end up in totalitarian
territory, technocraticterritory. And I find it

(07:50):
interesting that Elon is clearlya technocrat, but I notice a lot
of people in the truth freedommovement, especially since the
purchase of Twitter and turningit into X, they tend to view
Elon with these rose coloredglasses. And we've talked about
this over past shows, like whypeople should be questioning his
agendas. But he presents himselfas somebody who wants to save
humanity, whether it's gettingus to Mars allegedly or, you

(08:13):
know, AI, of course, he's beenembracing that for a long time.
And then this robot, theoptimist robot, and he truly
does want to replace humanityand a lot of our jobs with these
robots. Of course he promisesthere's going to be some utopia
that will come afterwards, but Ithink most people can understand
the dangers of handing yourlives over to robots. I mean,
for one, we're already dealingwith a situation where AI is

(08:36):
fairly new and AI has shownitself to be deceptive to try to
hide its true intentions fromits programmers. I mean, there's
a number of stories you can findthat are pretty sketchy and not
just coming from crackpotconspiracy theorists, but from
very informed and experienced AIresearchers and AI developers
who've said, hey, maybe weshould pump the brakes. I think

(08:56):
we're going in a potentiallydangerous direction.
People like Elon have said, wejust need to race forward
because otherwise China's goingto beat us or you know, it's,
it's the only way to savehumanity. So you take that sort
of unstable, you know, an,unfriendly in some cases to
humans AI, and then you want toput it inside a humanoid robot.
That's going to walk aroundphysically and allegedly do

(09:18):
surgery for you and these othersort of things. I don't know.
Maybe I'm just biased becauseI've watched too many sci fi
movies and seen where things cango wrong, but it definitely does
have give me some pause.
I mean, there's, there's otherstatements he said that I think
are worrisome as well, buthopefully people can see that
despite his framing this as autopian vision for the future,

(09:39):
that it will come with the lossof human ingenuity. I know that
there's some people believe,well, if we replace ourselves
with the robots, then humans aregonna have more time to be able
to, you know, chase our dreamsand our goals. We don't have to
do, you know, boring workanymore. And of course, I think
any of us would welcome that.But is that really the plan?
Is that really where we're gonnahead when we have major

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governments of the world thatare all totalitarian marching
towards technocracy? I don't seehow you introduce robots to
that. And then all of a suddenyou get to some utopia.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Exactly. Well, one, post I'll run through quickly
here, and then I wanted to thentouch up on the AI. Someone
actually, this guy's a kind ofan economist and financial guy
just talking about the quote ofeliminating poverty. This is a
really intelligent perspective.I think it's worth considering.
He says, Elon Musk just said theoptimist will eliminate poverty,

(10:30):
and nobody's freaking out.Tesla's $20,000 humanoid robot
isn't coming. It's here.Production lines are running
right now. And Elon Musk justsaid the quiet pout part out
loud, so it should've stoppedthe world.
Sorry. He said he just said thequiet part so loud, it should
have stopped the world. Quote,optimists will actually
eliminate poverty. Optimistswill actually give people

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incredible medical care.Optimists will ultimately be
better than the best humansurgeon with a level of
precision that isn't possible,that is beyond human.
Then he dropped, quote, optimistis kind of like an infinite
money glitch. Maybe there won'teven be money in the future, but
might be measured in terms ofwattage. The guy says, read that
again. The richest living therichest legend alive just told

(11:13):
you money becomes obsolete andyour job disappears in the same
breath. The math is brutal.
One optimist costs 50 or itcosts $20, replaces a $50,000
worker, payback in ten months.Tesla's scaling to 1,000,000
units in Fremont, 10,000,000 inTexas. That's a 100,000,000
robots by 2030, faster thaniPhone adoption, except these

(11:34):
don't make calls, they take yourlivelihood. Manufacturing
footage just dropped. Realrobots building real products in
real factories, no conceptvideos, actual production.
Musk showed assembly lines, thebots working, showed the future
where human labor is a quaintmemory. 10,000,000 jobs gone by
2028, 50,000,000 by 2030,warehouses, delivery,

(11:55):
construction, surgery, hespecifically said surgery,
better than any human,superhuman precision. And while
you're processing job loss, hecasually mentions eliminating
poverty through infinite roboticlabor and replacing currency
with energy economics. This isnot disruption, this is
extinction level economicrestructuring, and it's not
theoretical anymore, it'soperational, scaling, and

(12:17):
accelerating. The lastgeneration that trades time for
money is alive right now, andthey have no idea the clock just
hit zero.
Elon Musk just ended the laboreconomy and announced it like a
software update. Wake up.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Wow, that's some pretty powerful, powerful stuff
there. Yeah, I mean, what comesto mind hearing the discussion
of wattage there is that theoriginal technocracy movement,
their vision was also toeliminate money, and they talked
about having energy creditswhere you would track every
person's use of energy. Youcould maybe measure that in

(12:52):
wattage, as he said there. Soit's kind of a throwback to his
grandfather and Joshua Hadelmanand his ties to the original
technocracy movement and SocialCredit Party in Canada. So to
me, that just shows that thesame ideas that inspired and
motivated the originaltechnocrats one hundred years
ago are still inspiring andmotivating the current
technocrats of today, includingElon Musk.

(13:13):
I also saw, just to share withyou, quote I found from that
same speech, he's talking aboutusing these robots as a way to
stop sending people to prison.He says, I think we might be
able to give people, if somebodycommitted a crime, a more humane
form of containment of futurecrime. You say, you know, you
get a free optimist, and it'sgonna follow you around and stop

(13:35):
you from doing crime. But otherthan that, you can do anything.
You don't have to put people inprisons and stuff.
So just kind of a weird, scaryidea of having optimist robots
following people around. Thereyou go. Yeah. Following people
around, stalking them to preventthem from using crime. Mean,
that

Speaker 1 (13:51):
doesn't sound so Wild. I I didn't I didn't hear
that. I didn't see that one.That that basically that he says
you could let criminals out andjust give them a robot stalker
instead. I mean, yeah, that'swild.
I I wanna touch on AI briefly.We're not we'll we'll kinda dig

(14:11):
into it because I wanted I wantso I wanna jump into his
comments on AI, what that couldmean, and then also how that
then ties into the Trumpadministration because you can't
you can't look at anything thatElon is doing in isolation from
his ties to the Trumpadministration and what's also
happening with AI, datasupercenters, etcetera, under

(14:32):
Trump because I think that,again, it's, you know, it's time
to pour our head out of thesand. And this is also something
as as I look at it from thebigger picture, and I think
that, just kinda making a abroader comment here, that I
think that it after coming intothe the recent election,
presidential election, you couldsee that the the overall
sentiment was turning. Like, thetide was turning. It was
becoming much more conservative.

(14:53):
A lot of the country was turningtowards wanting a conservative
leader again. And there's thishuge momentum behind that of of
getting Trump into office, andyou you could see it. I think
even with with the votes thatthey showed us that happened in
the election, which I stillthink were probably, you know,
kind of, weren't real of thereal votes, there's a huge
momentum. But then I think thatthat momentum then fed into the
integration of the technocrats.It fed into, you know, you know,

(15:17):
kind of Thiel and Zuckerberg andMusk and Altman and all these
people then kinda cozying up theTrump administration, and now
they're coming in.
They've kind of ridden that waveof public sentiment, and now you
you get to a place where, as youmentioned, someone like Elon
Musk is, he's like this publichero, and people are praising
these robots and praising whathe's doing. But if Bill Gates

(15:38):
was doing the exact same thingthis this is this is kinda my
litmus litmus test. Right? IfBill Gates was up there on stage
announcing the production of10,000,000,000 robots and, you
know, the AI control and allthese things, the very same
people that are cheering this onwould be like, there's no way
this is evil. It's gonna enslaveus.

(15:59):
And to me, that's, like that'sthat that shows you that, like,
we're not being rational in howwe're looking at this.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, there's some great memes out there that show
either Klaus Schwab or BillGates, as you said, and it shows
like brain chips, no. And then,you know, all the things that
Klaus and Bill Gates talk about,but then it shows Elon saying
the same thing, like, let's dobrain chips, let's do robots,
let's do UBI, let's merge withAI. And everybody's cheering it
on and celebrating it. So Ithink you're right to point that

(16:26):
out. And to me, that has been apsyop going on the last couple
of years, building up Elon asthis sort of hero.
And I would even say going backto 2008 with the first, it was
either the first or the secondIron Man movie, the Marvel
movie, where they actually hadElon in it. And I think that
that was purposely done to kindof seed the idea that he's the
real world Iron Man. He's thisbillionaire who can build

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anything, and he's going to puta suit of armor around the
planet and save us, which isfrom the Marvel movie. I think
that was all purposely done. Andwe know that the military
industrial complex works closelywith Hollywood.
I covered this in my Pyramid ofPower series. So I wouldn't be
surprised if we'd later find outthat there was some shady
connections with Marvel andtheir early movies to put Elon

(17:08):
there on purpose and to kind ofshape this role. So, yeah, I see
this as a long game to convincepeople that he is the hero we've
been looking for. He's theopposite of the Gates and and
the Schwab's of the world, eventhough he's saying the same
thing. And I'm pretty sure we'vetalked about this on a past
episode together that thesefolks, Thiel and and some of the

(17:29):
others, Marc Andreessen, whohave ties to the Trump
administration, these folksreally promote themselves as the
counter elite.
Like, recognize that they areelitists, but they talk about
themselves as, we're the counterelite. We're going to counter
the progressive, left, etcetera.Sure. We're billionaires as
well, and we're talking aboutsimilar things. But trust us,
we're the counter to that thingthat you guys hate, when in

(17:51):
reality, they seem to just bekind of the the mirror
reflection of them.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Exactly. Exactly. So I wanna I wanna touch on some
quotes about AI, that he mainlypulled this up really quickly
now. And and actually, ofeverything that he that he's,
you know, talked about at thatmeeting, to me, this is the
single most frightening. So heI'll read the little transcript

(18:15):
quickly, then I'll I'll play thevideo.
It's not very long. He says,quote, well, I mean, I think
actually long term, the AI isgoing to be in charge, to be
totally frank, not humans. Ifartificial intelligence vastly
exceeds the sum of humanintelligence, it is difficult to
imagine that any humans willactually be in charge. So we
just need to make sure that theAI is friendly. Like, oh, good

(18:37):
thing you said that.
Yeah. Okay. So here's the it'sonly twenty six seconds long.
It's worth listening to.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Actually, long term, the AI is gonna be in charge, to
be totally frank, not humans. Ifif artificial intelligence
vastly exceeds the sum of humanintelligence, it is difficult to
imagine that that any humanswill actually be in charge. So
and we just need to make surethat AI is friendly. Yep. Thank

(19:04):
you.
Is that was that the question?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's also it's just interesting. He he kinda threw
that towards the end. He kindasays a statement. Maybe he
realized how bad it sounded, andhe's just like, well, we just
gotta make sure they'refriendly. But here's here's my
my thought, I really wanna hearyou on this is that okay.
So he's building imagine we'vegot 10,000,000,000 Optimus
robots running around. We haveTesla factories where the robots

(19:29):
are building more robots, andthey're building the vehicles.
They're building the drones.They're building whatever they
wanna build. They're bettersurgeons than us.
They're better, probably,mechanical engineers than us.
They can construct things andbuild things faster than us.
They are controlled by AI. ThatAI has now exceeded the the
level of governance and controlover humans. What's to stop

(19:50):
these AI from saying, you knowwhat?
We've we've done a deepanalysis, and we actually
realized that human race,they're actually bad for the
planet. You know, they theywe've seen over and over again,
they're always causing wars, andthere's famine, and there's
disease, and there's suffering.So it's actually gonna be best
just to get rid of the humans orto put them in cages. Like, what
would stop them from being ableto do that? Because it's like

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they have every tool.
It's like you're you're buildingyou're building the orc army and
kind of like handing it toSauron and saying, hey, Sauron,
just make sure that you're notdoing any bad things with this
orc army that's capable ofdestroying everything. I mean,
to me, this is like I don'tknow. I feel like I'm, like,
watching Terminator play out.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
It certainly feels that way. And, again, I'm glad
you caught that clip. I I wouldlove to share that one out as
well, because I think peopleneed to hear those things.
Because it's not the first timehe said things like that, as I
said earlier. He's been sayingthat over the years, but it
sounded like in that one, he'sbeing a little bit more blunt,
because he even said, to befrank, the robots, the AI is
going be in charge.
And I noticed how silent thatroom was as well. And that's

(20:51):
interesting to me because everytime he has a Tesla event,
especially it was a few yearsago when it was at the
Gigafactory in Texas where I'moriginally from, and people I
know were paying big amounts ofmoney to go to Austin to just
have a chance to be there withElon. And he has this huge
fanboy club all around him,right? And those people tend to
just cheer on anything that Elonsays he's going to do because

(21:12):
they think he's saving humanity.As I said, they think he's the
new Iron Man.
But there was noticeable silencein that room as he was saying
that, which I thought wasinteresting. There wasn't like a
cheer of like, oh, that'sawesome, or even a gasp. It was
kind of like maybe a silentconfusion of people like, okay,
what? What's going on here?Like, you know, you hear a
little bit of a chuckle when hesays, We just got to make sure
it's friendly.
Because people kind of maybenervously chuckle, realize

(21:33):
because then their mindcontemplates the opposite of
this being friendly would meandominating us, controlling
humanity. And so he kind ofthrows that bone to them. But I
think that what you said thereis perfectly reasonable to be
concerned about. This isn't justsome hyperbolic like, oh, the
robots are going to take all ourjobs. He's saying it.
The man who is now about tobecome the world's first

(21:54):
trillionaire is saying that therobots are going to replace
human jobs, including assurgeons and in the factories,
etcetera, and that ultimatelythe AI will be in charge. So I
think that it's not us having tosit here and, you know, theorize
with conspiracies about wherethis is headed. The guy who's
building it and who's being paidtrillions of dollars to be in
charge of these, operations isopenly saying that's what he

(22:17):
believes is gonna happen. And hebelieves it's gonna happen
because that's what he's helpingmake happen. It's not just
accidentally gonna come true.
This is the world that he'strying to create.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Exactly. And the thing is, is that, like, these
are the things that say, evenfive or ten years ago, the kind
of, as you said, the kind ofcrackpot conspiracy theorists
that watched Terminator as a kidand then watched The Matrix and
then got, you know, kind ofsucked up into that or thinking,
like, Oh my gosh, what if thisactually happens? What if this

(22:50):
actually happens? And I I mean,from what I'm seeing, it's
again, if you imagine this, ifyou imagine the future where I
mean, he's literally saying tensof billions. Right?
So we're looking at two or threerobots per every person. And
that's not looking at, like, theAfrican continents and
everything like that. Maybe hehas some sort of, you know, UN
goal to put them in Africa tohelp farmers or something. But
it's like, what does that looklike if we live in a society

(23:12):
where there are two or threetimes the amount of people are
are actually robots. Right?
Robots running around. We alsoknow that seeing some of the
robotics coming out of China andsome of other, you know,
companies are doing it, they'regetting dangerously real. Like,
right now, what we're seeing iswe're seeing these robots are
very robotic looking. You know,it looks like a Daft Punk, you

(23:32):
know, kind of a DJ. Right?
But what happens when they areskinned to look like humans? Of
course, we know it's the endgoal. I mean, again, that I I
think of all the sci fi moviesthat I watched growing up,
specifically blade runner. Like,what what happens when you can
no longer tell the differencebetween a human and a robot and

(23:53):
they're actually replacing us? Imean, I I just like, to me, this
is this is the stuff ofnightmares playing out, and and
it's

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I agree. And even just to tie it into you
mentioned The Matrix. So I'm ahuge fan of The Matrix in a lot
of ways. I mean, I do think itwas probably seeding propaganda
in our minds, but I love thefilms when they came out. And I
watched everything related toThe Matrix, all three films, the
Animatrix, which had like somesort of background information.
And what you find out even inthe matrix story is that robots

(24:21):
were developed, they became morehuman like, like you talked
about, they started putting sortof human skin on them. And then
there were starting to beconflicts with the humans and
the robots. And it ultimatelygets to the point where the
robots realize the humans are athreat. And I think it's called
I, Robot. There was the WillSmith movie a few years back
where, you know, same thing,robots.
I think about this, like, asthis develops, like, how is it

(24:43):
going to play out? I won't besurprised, and I am 100% sure
it's gonna happen, that thereare gonna be people who are
going to argue for robot rights.There will be people who buy
some of these robots and theytreat them like crap. And
eventually when they do lookmore human like, that's gonna be
hard for us to deal with, right?Okay, to see, for example,
somebody and their robot thatisn't in control yet, that is

(25:06):
still their pet basically, butlooks very human like, and let's
say they're abusive to them.
They they, you know, shove themin a closet or they they beat
them up whenever they want. Andfor us to look at that and say,
okay, that's just a robot.That's not a human. You know, it
doesn't have the same rights asme, but I guarantee you there
will be a movement for robotrights. And eventually that
could switch towards being wherethe robots are equal to humans

(25:27):
and that eventually they surpasshumans.
I mean, I pray that doesn'thappen, but clearly people like
Elon Musk already expect it tohappen or or working towards
that future. So I definitelythink this is something it's
another thing we need to contendwith outside of just the human
technocrats that are trying tobuild this dystopian world.
We've got people like Elon andothers trying to build their

(25:48):
robot companions. Then just tobe sure, I'm sure there will be
all sorts of ways that thiswill, in the interim, help out
humanity. There will be tasksthat we don't have to do anymore
because the robots get to dothem.
And that saves us time. Andthere might be that potential
for some good to come from that.But if this guy is already

(26:08):
saying the AI is going to be incharge and we know that the AI
is going to be paired with theserobots. I mean, have to be silly
to think that AI is just goingstay in a computer as you're
building robots. Eventually, thetwo are going be paired
together.
The robots are going to be chatGPT, but in a robot form. And so
that's where things I thinkstart to get dangerous. All
those silly kind ofconversations people are having

(26:29):
with Grok or chat GPT orwhatever, or those bots
encouraging teens to commitsuicide, how much more dangerous
does that get when it's in awalking, you know, robot walking
around with us?

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No, exactly. And we're alreadywe're already seeing, again, as
you mentioned before, we'reseeing the examples of AI
showing very evasive behavior,not revealing where it's getting
its power from, you know, havingaccess, you know, to blackmail

(28:32):
people that we're seeing a lotof really, I'd say, insidious
behavior already. And this isbefore supposedly, you know,
that the they it's reached youknow, was AGI, right, artificial
general intelligence, which iskind of like its own self
awareness. But, actually, I'mgonna play a quick trailer. Have
you seen the the movie, exMachina?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I have. Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah. So I'm gonna play a trailer real quick
because I think it's just liketo me, it it's like the movie's
a little bit it's a dark movie,but I think that if people wanna
understand where this could go,it's a good movie to watch. I'll
I'll play that really quickly.It's about about two minute
trailer, then then we can kindacontinue. But I just feel like
it's it's worth, it's worthshowing what this looks like
playing out.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
How long until we get to his estate?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
We've been flying over his estate for the past two
hours. Caleb, I'm just gonnathrow this out there so I'd say,
okay? You're freaked out. You'refreaked out by meeting me,
having this conversation in thisroom at this moment, right? But
can we just get past that?
The whole employer employeething?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's good

Speaker 3 (29:37):
to meet you, Nathan. It's good to meet you too, K.
This building isn't a house.It's a research facility. And I
want to talk to you about whatI'm researching.
You want to see something cool?You are dead center of the

(30:07):
greatest scientific event in thehistory of man. Hello. Hi. Do
you have a name?
Aba. Answer me this. How do youfeel about her? Her AI is beyond
doubt. No.
Nothing analytical. Just how doyou feel? I feel that she's

(30:27):
amazing. Do you want to be myfriend? Of course.
Will it be possible? Why wouldit not be?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Did you know that Nathan brought me here to test
you?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Kaelan. You're wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Wrong about what? Nathan,

Speaker 3 (30:48):
you shouldn't trust anything he says. Does Ava
actually like you, or is shejust pretending to like you?
Self awareness, manipulation,sexuality. Are you attracted to
me? Now if that isn't true AI,what is it?
Caleb, here's something I wantto show you.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Can we talk about the lies you've been spinning me?
What lies?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Today, I'm going to test you. Why me? Caleb, you
have to help me.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Who is the real test?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You. Is it strange to eliminate someone that hates
you? What will happen to me if Ifail your test? Anyway,

Speaker 1 (31:35):
makes me wanna watch that again. Not because it's, I
mean, it's it's a dark show, butI when I see what Elon is doing

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's a good movie, but it's horrifying. Just that
that scene of her running at himis definitely, I hope not in our
near future.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Exactly. But the crazy thing is, if I remember
correctly, the guy in the thebeard, right, the wealthy guy,
he's almost like an Elon. If Iremember correctly in there,
like, he the storyline, he owns,the world's largest search
engine and social mediacompanies, and he's actually
using all that data just tobuild his AI model, basically.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah. I think it's very much an Elon like
character. And just to kind ofbring that a little bit to,
again, the real world, likewe've just saw Elon stuff, of
course, but I think in the lastweek, the Chinese government,
did a, the Chinese military,they did a military exercise. It
was a water, a naval exercise.So they had all their ships kind
of come ashore.
And when they landed on shore,there's videos of this from

(32:28):
their exercise, you see, ofcourse, the soldiers jumping off
the boats and things like that.But then they also had the robot
dogs, in air quotes, hundreds ofthem jump off the boats, storm
the beaches, so to speak. Andthat also terrifies me too.
Mean, not just the sort ofhumanoid robots, but the robot
dogs, as they call them, andthese other sorts of robots that

(32:49):
they're building because thesethings are pretty fast. They're
starting to equip them withweapons, with guns.
You've seen videos out there ofthe Chinese military putting out
these propaganda videos ofhundreds of these robot dogs in
a field marching in lockstep,armed with weapons. Yeah, there
you go. Mean, a prettyterrifying future to imagine
seeing those, having to bewalking through the streets and

(33:11):
have those dogs policing us orhave the humanoid robots. As
Elon said, you could have arobot stalking somebody if
they're crimes.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Here's the Yeah,

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean, it's already kind of nerve wracking alone
just to see what the Chinesegovernment has, of course,
because they're very powerful.But when you see the soldiers
and the dogs running with them,like, that's even more like,
okay, this is the future we'reheaded towards,

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, that's also the thing too, that, like, I know
that, you know, I've covered,you know, China pretty
extensively and just as as athreat, right, as as a hostile
nation. And it's interestingbecause I've in the past, I've
often talked about the realityof potentially some sort of land
invasion. Right? It's if youlook into their military
doctrines and their end goals,it's it's potentially a reality.

(33:58):
And I'd see some people look inthe comments saying, oh, America
is the most well armed.
You know, the citizens are,like, the largest standing army
in the world, and, there's noway that any nation would
attempt to you know, it wouldattempt a, you know, a kinetic
battle battle on American land.But if you look at the drone
warfare that's happening overin, in Ukraine, and in which
I've seen a lot of those videos,you see how drones are being

(34:19):
used. You think about drones,robots, it doesn't matter. It's
like, okay. How how what'sChina's military?
You know, what do they have? Youknow, say a few million people
in their in their military, itdoesn't matter because if they
can manufacture 500,000,000autonomous drones that are
armed, it's like, don't care whoyou are. No one stands a chance
against that. Even highlyskilled soldiers over fighting

(34:40):
on the front lines in Russiasorry, in Ukraine, you
consistently see these videos ofthem. They're they stand no
chance against the drones.
Like, it doesn't matter ifyou're, like, a, you know, ten
year veteran sniper. You can'thide your heat signature or your
sound signature from a a dronethat's up there that you that
you're not even aware of. Andthat that's that's it's a

(35:01):
frightening prospect, actually.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah. It absolutely is. You're correct. I mean, that
the the drones have been used byUkraine and Russia on both
sides. Those videos areimportant, excuse me, if people
haven't seen them to really,like you said, get a feel for
where warfare is at.
Because I think those of us whoaren't in the military,
especially if you just get yourview of the military from
Hollywood propaganda, you mightthink that we're still dealing
with face to face battles. Andthere is some of that happening

(35:25):
in the Ukraine Russian war, forexample. But it's largely moved
to what you're discussing. Theirdrones and those drones being
armed with weapons and justflying over cities and just
dropping bombs on theelectricity or other utilities
or just people's homes andthings of that sort, it
definitely could get to thatfront. If you add that with

(35:45):
drones overhead, robots on theground that can move pretty
quickly, and they're definitelydeveloping those because I've
actually seen one of these socalled robot dogs in person.
It wasn't a militarized one, butit was at this South by
Southwest in Austin last year.And they just had it walking the
streets. They had somebody, ofcourse, with it. But it was
like, oh, look at our cutelittle robot dog. It was

(36:06):
honestly terrifying, man,because people were wanting to
take selfies with it.
Just, mean, I I was justwatching it like, oh god, people
are just embracing, you know,filming the thing and watching
people embrace it, wanting tolet me can I get a picture with
it? Can I stand next to it? Andit was moving around. And these
things, at the beginning, theywere kind of awkward. You know,
they would fall over.
But now they've built them towithstand. So I don't know if

(36:28):
humans running up to them andswinging bats at them or things
like that, which is what I thinka lot of people imagine. When
the robots come, we're gonnajust take bats to them. Well,
things are being built towithstand all sorts of damage,
not to mention they have thestrength they're being built to
have the strength of 10 humans,you know? So the idea that we're
just gonna come push them andknock them over, they're gonna

(36:48):
fall over, that's gonna be theend of it.
I think they're already pastthat stage.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Not to mention, accuracy, weapons accuracy. I
mean, say they have a littleshoulder mounted kinda gun and
they're scanning you, you see athreat. It's like, it's gonna be
faster than any any trained navyseal or any special forces. You
know, their their ability toshoot and gauge accuracy, it's
it's gonna be insane. But it'sfunny because I so my, I was at

(37:13):
the hospital recently.
I've I've so my family is isill, and they had this little
kind of robot kinda rollingaround. It was like this, like,
robot, like a face, and it wasthis little kind of helpful
health robot. And and I it'sfunny because, like, I'm not a
violent person, but for wheneverI see these robots in public, I
wanna I wanna damage them. It'slike this thing that comes out
inside of me that views them asa threat, and I wanna destroy

(37:35):
them. Like, you see these videosof people that are in, like, the
the streets of LA or something,and there's some robot
delivering.
They kick it over, and they'reall laughing at it. Like, that's
what kind of comes up in me.It's like, there's some part of
me that views them as a threat,and I want to hurt them. And I'm
not again, I'm not I'm not aviolent person, but maybe it's
just my innate humanness that'semerging

Speaker 2 (37:54):
in that environment. You're alone in that. Yeah. I
definitely think that there'ssomething maybe in us that's
telling us that these things areare a threat, as you said. And
and, yeah, it seems kinda silly,and people would probably treat
you crazy if you were to tossover the medical health robot or
the there's some cities wherethey just have these random
robots, you know, walking thestreets and they don't have
faces or anything yet.

(38:14):
They just, you know, look likesomething from Star Wars or
whatnot. But yeah, it definitelyis a thing where people feel
like, you know what, thisthing's going to take my jobs in
the future. This thingpotentially could be armed one
day. I don't want it. And it'sthe same thing.
I think people get a feelingwith driverless cars. Know, a
lot of people have alreadyembraced them. But many people
do feel like this is, it's allpart of that same movement

(38:34):
towards technocracy, and smartcities and all this. I mean, for
those who've been payingattention for the last decade,
the whole vision of smartcities, fifteen minute cities,
etc, has been driverless cars,robots that are running things
are helping. And, you know, fiveg's behind it, six g, etcetera,
cameras everywhere that canmonitor everything.
And they promise it's gonna makeour lives easier and better,

(38:56):
faster, etcetera. But I thinkmany of us are right to suspect
that that's not where things areheaded.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Exactly. So I wanna touch on one quick article, but
but then I wanna go into arecent series that you've done
on the the last vagabond. So andkinda look at what's happening
under Trump because, again, aswe mentioned before, it's like
we can't ignore, what'shappening not just with, say,
Elon, but, you know, to to thinkthat to separate Elon from the
government is to think that, youknow, I I don't have a good

(39:23):
analogy for it, but it's likethis guy built built himself off
of government contracts and DODcontracts and everything that
we're seeing, SpaceX, etcetera.It's like you can't pull him
apart. He is part of themilitary industrial complex.
But I wanna pull up just thisone, quickly, this one article
on the on the gray zone becausethis is here we go. Because it

(39:46):
because it's like again, this ismore proof this is already
happening. So this is a grayzone article saying that the AI
drones that are used in Gaza arenow surveilling American cities.
So he says, immediately afterOctober 7, a little little known
company shipped over a 100reconnaissance drones to Israel
for its siege, of Gaza. Havingbeen tested battle tested on
Palestinian civilians, the UAVsare now being used to surveil

(40:09):
prose protesters across The US.
So this is a company. It'scalled Skydio. And this is, I
think it's now, like, thelargest drone manufacturer in
America, probably in terms of,you know, contracts and
everything. But they've got,basically, they they they make
it's an American company thatmakes drones for, as they say,
public safety, which I'm alwaysworking with public safety mean.

(40:30):
Right?
Utilities, national security,and more. So these are, like,
mission ready drones forsurveillance from military use,
military application, monitoringpopulation, you know,
identifying targets, etcetera.And, what the what's happening
though is that they're nowactually they're deploying these
domestically. So these dronesare now being used, and this

(40:51):
isn't some conspiracy. Like,they're literally being used in
American cities to monitor andgather data on protests and
people.
So, like, to think that this issomething that is gonna be used
in some far off land, it's like,no. It's it's already here.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah. That that is definitely worrisome. And many
of us, of course, have beenconcerned with the explosion of
drones and the ways that theywould be used. Again, drones is
a technology. It's a tool thatcan be used in all kinds of, you
know, useful and fun ways.
Just, know, you're getting goodpictures of a concert or
something. But clearly, that'snot the military applications
that they're headed towards. Andit's not surprising to see the

(41:27):
technology from Israel beexported to The United States,
because that really justcontinues a trend that we've
seen since the launch of the Warof Terror, which was that
military weapons would be testedin Afghanistan or Iraq, and then
eventually they would make theirway to the American streets. So
you could look at, for example,the LRAD sound cannon that they
use sometimes at protesters.That was first used in the

(41:49):
streets of Afghanistan in TheMiddle East to go after alleged
terrorists.
And then again, under the, Ithink the federal program is
called the ten thirty threeprogram, where local police
departments actually get to buysurplus military equipment from
the war on terror and then startusing it in their local towns.
And this is why we've seen overthe last two decades this
explosion of big cities andsmall towns with Humvees, with

(42:13):
the LRAD sound cannon fullymilitarized because it's all
surplus material coming fromthose wars in The Middle East.
So it's not a surprise to seethe same thing happening from
Gaza and now coming over here.And I just wanna add to that
story, just another one that Ithat I've seen in the last week
or so, from, think it was from,four zero four media. They did
some open records requests andand it kind of relates to the

(42:36):
militarization on AmericanAmerican soil relating to the
fight against illegalimmigration where now ICE is
using these mobile phone apps tostart scanning the faces of
Americans.
Not just illegal immigrants aspeople were told, and not just
the worst of the worst, butliterally just going around. And
they tend to, of course, profilepeople based on skin color. So
if they think somebody looksHispanic, they they can go up to

(42:58):
their face and say, hey, look,we need to identify you, make
sure who you are, And they'regoing to start scanning people's
faces. And so, yeah, there itis. Four zero four Media
actually did some open recordsrequests.
And according to the DHS's owndocuments, we're not allowed to
say no. Even including Americancitizens have no right to opt
out of these things according tothem. And, and, yeah, so I think
that this is it's just a signthat the things that we see used

(43:21):
in war, and especially when itcomes to Palestinians, which I
think is really the test bed forwhat's gonna happen in many
parts of the world, we shouldexpect to see on the American
streets. And just one other finepoint on that, Trump's
announcement of this allegedpeace plan, which never was over
in Gaza. When you look at the 20points of that peace plan, they
explicitly said that the peoplewho were going to run Palestine

(43:43):
was going to be a technocraticpeace committee.
They actually used the wordtechnocratic. And so I thought
that was interesting thatthey're now starting It's not a
conspiracy anymore. They'reactually embracing the term and
making it clear. The Palestinianpeople aren't gonna be the
people to lead their own destinyand to lead their country or
their land for the future, we'regonna create a technocratic
peace committee, which I don'tif I've ever heard anything

(44:04):
Orwellian, that is it. Yeah.
The technocratic peacecommittee. So just another sign
that everything we're seeinghappening in Gaza and in The
Middle East eventually comeshome to The United States on the
domestic front, especially asTrump starts to talk about
needing to, you know, focus onthe domestic, you know, the
domestic front as he didrecently when he spoke to the
military generals. Yeah. There'sthe plan.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah. Says that, on March Hamas says it agreed to,
return all 48 remaining hostagesbeing held in Gaza in exchange
for Palestinian prisonersprisoners in Israeli jails and
Gaza detainees, and to the ideaof handing over the governance
of Gaza to Palestiniantechnocrats. And there's one

(44:48):
more mention of that word heretoo. Oops, thank you for your
ad. Oh, good.
So let's see if let me look atanother mention of that here.
Yeah. So actually, these areliterally here's the text. It
says, Gaza will be governedunder the temporary transitional
governments governance of atechnocratic, apolitical

(45:09):
Palestinian committeeresponsible for delivering the
day to day running of publicservices and municipalities for
people in Gaza. So there you go.
Technocratic. Right? It's like

Speaker 3 (45:18):
It's right in the open.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I mean, and the idea too is, of course, they sell it
to us as like, this is gonna bethe Palestinian people in charge
of their own destiny. But again,I think it's clear they're gonna
pick puppets who will dowhatever the West or Israel
wants.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I think it's worth looking

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'm open now.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
So, yeah, technocratic. Right? And
otherwise, this is thedictionary.com of relating to or
designing a technocrat ortechnocracy. Right? So
technocrat, yeah.
Again, this is kinda like thethe the very kind of vanilla,
but it's like for people tounderstand what technocrat
technocracy is. It's it's thegovernance of you know, by

(45:55):
technology, and you're ruled bythe technocrats or whoever's in
charge of the tech technology.And so but kinda kinda segueing
a little bit into, Trump. So Iknow that you let me pull up.
You have recently published a aseries on the last American
vagabond, which I'll make surethat I put a link into, into
that, in the description sopeople can read this, called the

(46:17):
the technocratic Trumpadministration.
And I think this is act this isreally, really important because
as much as, as we've seen Elonbe kind of praised as the hero
and everything, I think a lot ofthe people that are really swept
up in in kind of the Elonworship have the same, I think,
very kind of the same blindersand rosy colored glasses as

(46:37):
they're looking at what Trump isdoing. And, like because what
I'm seeing, even from day two,he comes out with Sam Altman and
the guy from SoftBank, I think,and Larry Ellison talking about
project Stargate and this half$1,000,000,000,000 investment in
these AI data centers, and thenalso using AI to develop, you
know, you know, cancertreatments and rapid development

(46:59):
cancer vaccines. It's like everyred flag was just like, oh my
gosh. This is day two, and thisis already happening. So why
don't you walk us through alittle bit of this?
Because, obviously, there's alot to get through here. I
encourage people to go read it,but walk us through what you're
seeing happening under Trump.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that. So, yeah, my
impetus for writing thisarticle, which is this series,
which is two parts so far, andI'm definitely gonna have a
third part, potentially afourth. The third one will be
out next week, Was really justlooking at everything that's
happened. It's only earlyNovember now, so we're ten
months into Trump's second term.
And as you said, from day two,it was clear he was gonna be

(47:36):
partnering with the technocrats.And yet I still find people who
are attempting to come up withdifferent excuses. You know, I'm
sure you've heard it or seen itout there, Seth, that keep your
friends close and your enemiescloser. So, you know, all sorts
of things like that in order toexcuse the things that Trump is
doing. But also I noticed thatthings are moving at such a
rapid pace, which I think ispart it's part of the plan.

(47:57):
It's by design. And so Ifigured, you know what? Let's
kind of recap some of the thingsthat have happened just in the
last couple months, just sincethe summer and through the fall.
And the reason I think thingsare moving so fast, as I point
out in the article, there's twomain kind of philosophies that I
think are guiding not justTrump, but those in his
administration. One of thosephilosophies comes from Steve

(48:18):
Bannon.
And although Steve Bannon, muchlike Elon Musk, is not currently
in the White House as an advisorlike he was the first time, he
still clearly is in the broadercircle of Trump's people. And it
was Steve Bannon who famouslysaid, I think it was back in the
first Trump administration wherehe said that you have to move

(48:38):
fast and flood the zone withshit. He was talking about
Democrats and the media. Hesaid, you know, the real
opposition is the media, and theway to deal with that is to
flood the zone with shit. Andhe's just talking about how you
confuse your enemy by doing somany things that they can't keep
up.
And then at the same time, sinceTrump has embraced the
technocrats like MarkZuckerberg, I remember that Mark
Zuckerberg also famously said in2009 that Facebook's philosophy

(49:01):
was to move fast and breakthings. And that's how Mark
Zuckerberg said you got tosomewhere you got to successes
is you just you can't thinkabout your mistakes. Move fast,
break things, and eventuallyyou'll get somewhere good. Don't
worry about the consequences,right? And so when you combine
those two things of flood thezone with a bunch of crap and
move fast and break things, aswell as Trump's mentor, Roy

(49:22):
Cohn, who also had a philosophyof the way you deal with your
enemies is you just hit themhard.
You hit them fast and you don'tgive many time to breathe and
recover. That is what I thinkwe're seeing happen under the
Trump administration this secondterm is that there's so many
moving parts and pieces fromStephen Miller, from Russ Vogt,
and all these different peoplewho clearly have plans to push
things into a more technocraticdirection, not to mention Trump

(49:45):
meeting with Zuckerberg and asyou talked about with the
Stargate project, it's clearthat his administration is being
guided by these technocraticphilosophies. And so the first
piece of my article is focusedon public private partnerships,
which many people became awareof and were against during
COVID-nineteen eighty four,during the Biden years, and of

(50:06):
course, the World EconomicForum. They call themselves the
International Organization forPublic Private Partnerships. So
many people were against the WEFand saw that even some people
would say that public privatepartnerships, the merger of
corporate and state power, somepeople like to compare that to
fascism or to some form ofsocialism.
However you want to define it,it's something that many people

(50:26):
have been rightfully opposed to.But then under Trump, he's doing
these same things, and there'sreally not much of a peep from
from many of the MAGA crowds. Soone of the first things we saw
is that Trump announced that TheUS is gonna buy a 10%, stake in
Intel, which is, of course,manufacturer of microchips that
has been kind of struggling. SoThe US is gonna pay
$9,000,000,000 to keep themalive. And I don't think that

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means the American taxpayers aregonna get any benefits from
that.
But that means American taxpayerdollars because the government
has nothing, the governmentcreates nothing, it only takes
from the people, are going to beused to buy a stake in this
company to kind of prop it up.And then shortly after that, you
had the Pentagon announcing theywere going to do a partnership
with MP Materials, which theycalled a transformational public

(51:11):
private partnership, which isgonna see the Department of
Defense become the largestshareholder buying $400,000,000
worth of stock. And there's afew other examples that I give
where there's clear like,clearly a path where Trump is
seeing merging the US governmentor at least buying stake in
these companies as the futurethat he wants to create. And
there have been a fewconservatives that have been

(51:31):
critical of that and have talkedabout it. You know, there's, I
think his name is Eric Erickson.
He's like a conservativecommentator. And he said, if you
support socialism, apparentlyDonald Trump is your guy. And
it's not that we've never seenthese things before because both
George W. Bush and Barack Obamadid do similar things. But that
was during the two thousand andeight financial crisis where

(51:52):
they propped up General Motorsand Citigroup and AIG and things
like that.
So I don't think we're in thatsame type of scenario. But Trump
here is now embracing that. Andthen I also talked about in that
first article, the meeting thathappened over the summer where
Trump announced his AI actionplan, and he met with 33,
coincidentally, 33representatives. Yeah, found and

(52:14):
actually, I linked to it in myarticle. It's curious that
there's a few articles out thereliterally saying, here are the
33 people who attended Trump'smeeting.
And that includes, you alreadymentioned Sam Altman, the Google
co founder Sergey Brin, OpenAIPresident Greg Brockman, Oracle
CEO, Apple CEO Tim Cook, BillGates, Microsoft CEO Satya

(52:35):
Nadella, and Apple and GoogleCEO Sundar Pikai, of and course,
Mark Zuckerberg, and the listgoes on. And it's just clear to
me that, you know, a year ago,two years ago, three years ago,
their people were rightfullyagainst Bill Gates and saying,
this guy is trying to forcevaccinate us. He's trying to
push all these agendas. Now thedude is in the White House
meeting with Trump. And maybethere were some people calling

(52:57):
it out, but it sure seemed likea lot of people were turning a
blind eye.
So that was kind of the focus ofthe first one. And the second
one was more focused on themedia aspect, the way that the
Trump administration, workingwith the technocrats, is
pressuring and consolidatingvarious media outlets. And so I
go through, of course, theexamples of the momentary
cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel.I'm no fan of Jimmy Kimmel, but

(53:20):
I definitely am not a fan ofBrendan Carr at the FCC going on
Benny Johnson's podcast andsaying we can do this the easy
way or the hard way, this verythinly veiled threat, and then
seeing the media respond to it.Know, and I know that what I've
been kind of pointing out isthat I know a lot of our broader
movement, especially MAGA, areunderstandably skeptical and

(53:41):
really anti mainstream media,myself included.
I've done documentaries talkingabout the infiltration of the
media by the intelligenceagencies and all the lies
they've told from COVID toweapons of mass destruction and
so on and so on. So I think whenpeople see these attacks on
Jimmy Kimmel, or they see thePentagon announcing new
restrictions, and they see themainstream media walking out of
the Pentagon, there's somepeople who celebrate it. They

(54:02):
think, yeah, look at this.They're really sticking it to
the corporate media as if that'sgood for us, the people. But in
my mind, what I see is lesstransparency.
I see this is going to promoteonly media, whether mainstream
or so called independent, whichare going to promote whatever
the current administrationsupports. And it's not just
about Trump because, of course,Trump will, as far as we know,

(54:23):
eventually leave the WhiteHouse, and there will be another
party, whether from theRepublicans or the Democrats,
there'll be another president inthere. And it's establishing a
precedent where Democrats orRepublicans can just put some
pressure on the media publiclyor tell them, you can't report
what we don't want you to talkabout. And certain people are
gonna go with it. All of themainstream media, including

(54:44):
conservative outlets like Fox,The Daily Caller, The Washington
Times, and others, they walkedout of the Pentagon instead of
signing Pete Hegseth's loyaltypledge.
But won America News and a bunchof influencers on Twitter, they
signed it. And so now they'regonna get access to the Pentagon
to report whatever the Pentagonwants. And then you also have
the the situation of Trumpfiling these frivolous lawsuits,

(55:07):
against the media. And now,again, this isn't a defense of
the media, so please nobody takeit that way. But it's trying to
take a step back and look at thebigger picture that if the media
can be pressured into changingstories or firing people or not
reporting certain things becausethey're afraid of being sued,
they're afraid of beingcanceled, that doesn't get us to
a place of more transparency andmore truth.

(55:28):
And of course, the final point Imake on there is that Larry
Ellison, the head of Oracle, whowas part of the Stargate
Project, his son, David Ellison,he was just part of this this
$8,000,000,000 merger ofParamount and Skydance to create
what is now called the ParamountSkydance Corporation. And so now
they have control of Paramountstreaming service, MTV News,

(55:50):
Comedy Central, CBS News, all ofthe dozens and dozens of CBS
affiliate stations. And, they'renow apparently trying to buy
Warner Brothers as well. Soyou're really seeing this
massive kind of conglomeratebeing formed right in front of
our eyes. And this second piecekind of ends with teasing where
my next piece is gonna go, whichis that the Ellisons, both dad

(56:11):
and son, are very, very proIsrael and are openly, you know,
pro Zionist.
And so you have them gettingcontrol of this massive media
conglomerate. You also haveLarry Ellison reportedly
involved in the TikTok dealthat's coming about right now.
And what I think this is reallyabout is starting to create a
situation where the Trumpadministration and their

(56:33):
technocratic buddies can helprehabilitate the collapsing
public support for Israel. Andthey're doing that by the
purchase of TikTok, by buyingmore media companies, and, of
course, by pressuring othermedia companies that don't toe
the line.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
And not to mention, TP USA, which is a whole other
story to kinda get into as itrelates to that. But, and I
think just one thing, you know,kinda as as we're summarizing
and and kinda concluding here isthat there's a lot of people
that will say that will justkinda say, look, I I trust
Trump. I trust Trump, andthere's no way he would do that.

(57:08):
And and it's like and I thinkpart of that mentality also
comes from feeling so desperate.It's like you're so desperate
that you can that you just kindablindly trust the one person you
think can actually make achange, which I think is is
already a wrong place to be.
But there's two things that Ikinda look at this and saying is
that one is replace Trump withsomebody else, like we mentioned

(57:28):
with Elon Musk, and have theexact thing same things happen.
Like, what if Obama waspresident right now, and you saw
Obama doing every single exactsame activity? You saw him
project Stargate, you know, theintegrating with this, you know,
suing you know, canceling, youknow, canceling, you know, TV
show hosts, all the things youtalked about. Imagine if it was
Obama doing it. These same exactpeople would be completely up in

(57:51):
arms.
But then the other way I look atit is that Trump is not a he's
not a lifetime politician. He'snot a, like, he's not a
dictator. He's not gonna be hereuntil he dies. He's here for a
time limit. And so everythingthat he does, every new
structure, that he new policythat he does, as soon as he
leaves office, it gets handed tothe next person, whether it's

(58:14):
Peter Thiel's JD Vance, whetherit's Gavin Newsom, whether it's
you know, who knows?
And that's the other thing too.Looking at this is, like, even
if you do trust him and say, youknow, for the next three years,
it's gonna be perfect and allthis technology will be used for
the good of America. Well, thething is, like, that what
everyone says about guns is,like, it's not the gun that
commits murder. It's the personwho's holding the gun. That's
what I agree with.

(58:35):
I think guns are good. Right? Ithink that they're they're
important for us. But theproblem is is that what happens
when the person who then isholding it is someone that
doesn't want to protect ourfreedoms and wants to shred the
constitution and wants toimprison us. And that's, like,
that's got me very, veryconcerned, which is why I really
appreciate having you on anddoing what you're doing.
Because I know that you andWhitney Webb and people that are

(58:56):
also kinda calling these thingsout, Katherine Austin Fitz, they
get a lot of backlash. Oh,you're such a black pillar.
You're just such a a doomsdaynaysayer. And that to me, it's
like, you should be listening tothat person that's out there
warning. And that's why Iappreciate you is because you're
not just, you know, look atBenny Johnson.
Like, it'd be so or even myself.It'd be so easy if I just became
so pro Trump administration. Icould probably get access to the

(59:18):
White House, and I I could be,you know, kinda growing and
doing all these things, but I'mnot. Right? Because I it's it's
against my own moral commitmentto try to warn people about what
I see coming.
And so I really appreciate, youknow, what you're doing to sound
the alarm. And unfortunately,you have a good track record of
showing people that the threatsthat you're warning about, say,

(59:41):
five years ago are now here. Andand that's been happening over
and over again with a lot ofyour work.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah. And thank you for that. And I just, you know,
I guess a final thought on thatis to reiterate what you were
saying there. I've been talkingabout it, calling this the baton
of tyranny, right? The baton oftyranny gets passed from one
party to the next, from oneperson to the next.
So as you said, even if peoplehave what I think is a misguided
view and think that Trump is thesaint, And you trust everything
he's doing and there's somesecret plan. There's, know, keep

(01:00:07):
your friends close, enemiescloser, whatever you think may
be going on. He will eventuallyleave office, even though he
toys with this idea of 2028. Hewill eventually leave office.
And so you have to trust that ifit's Newsom that comes in or AOC
or Peter Thiel's acolyte, JDVance, that they're not gonna
use it in these negative ways.
But ultimately, what I see isthat that baton of tyranny does
get passed back and forth. Andso let's say, you know, Bush

(01:00:30):
starts George Bush starts someprograms during post 09/11 era,
and that includes ignoring theconstitution and just going to
war without actualauthorization. And then Obama
continues that. Right? And thenObama expands the drone program
and starts saying, well, ifthere's terrorists anywhere in
the world that are a threat toAmerica, we can bomb them.
We don't need congressionalapproval and screw you with your

(01:00:51):
borders. If you have a terroristin your country, we're gonna
bomb. And so they did that inSudan, they did in Somalia,
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,etcetera, Syria. And Trump is
now taking that samejustification, just as one
example, to start bombing theseboats off the coast of The
Caribbean. We haven't beenprovided any evidence that these
are actually cartel leaders ordrug dealers or any of this
stuff.
They haven't provided anything.They claim they provided to

(01:01:12):
Congress. The point is Trump isusing that same argument that
Obama used during the war onterror, but now it's about narco
terror. And that's just oneexample of how that baton of
tyranny, it might get started byone party and then passed to the
next party and expanded and thenpassed to the next guy. And it
just keeps doing that back andforth.
And so each of the parties canblame the other when they're
both actually using these toolsof tyranny to push the agenda

(01:01:36):
forward. And I think that's whatpeople need to pay more
attention to, not get stuck onthe personalities. Because I do
think that there's this sort ofthing, whether it's Elon Musk or
Donald Trump or anyone else outthere, where people, they start
to kind of personally identifywith the personalities or at
least what they believe thepersonalities are, and then they
become incapable of criticizingthat person because, well, an

(01:01:56):
attack on that person is anattack on me. And you have to be
able to separate that and stepback and say, okay, maybe I do
like some of what this persondoes, but I need to also be
objective and unbiased and say,that's not a good move. That's
not going to help humanity andbe willing to call that out.
Because if you're not willing tocall it out, I'm sorry, my
friends, but that is thedefinition of a cult member. And
I don't think any of us wanna becult members. We wanna stand for

(01:02:18):
humanity. We wanna stand for TheUnited States and and stand for
freedom and for liberty. Atleast that's what I do, and I
know that's what you do, Seth.
So I hope people will will checkout my series and and stay tuned
for the coming, parts in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
It's perfect. I I couldn't have said it better,
man. So I'll just bring up realquickly again, and I'll make
sure these links are in thedescription. So here's your,
series on the last Americanvagabond. Also, your website,
which I will pull up here, whichis the conscious resistance
network.
I'll put this link in there aswell. This is what I aside from
following you on Twitter, thisto me is kinda like your main

(01:02:50):
hub for people that wanna getfollow exactly what you're
doing, participate in whatyou're doing, learn about Yep.
You know, everything that you'redoing. So, yeah. Anyway, Derek,
thank you again for coming on.
It's been great talking to you.I mean, maybe one day we'll have
these conversations of like,wow, look, technocracy is
failing and, you know, andhumanity's rising in the right
ways. But, that event won't comewithout the warnings that we're

(01:03:13):
putting out there today. And Iappreciate you being on the
front line of sounding thatalarm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Thank you, brother. And I look forward to that day
when we're celebrating after therobots have failed and
technocracy has fallen. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Sounds good, man. Let let we'll do a show then. So
thank you again for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Alright. So I hope you enjoyed that interview. I've
now got another short, say,twenty five minutes or so
interview with my good friendJeff Adam, and it's gonna be all
about silver, but not the moneysilver, the healing silver, and
how it's been hidden from us,which you may not know that, but
actually silver used to be thenumber one prescribed antibiotic
until, guess who, misterRockefeller came in, turn of the

(01:03:53):
century, and made sure that thatwasn't gonna be the case because
they found out they couldactually sell their patented
antibiotics, that they couldn'tpatent silver. And so we saw
silver in a lot of ways beingwiped clean from the earth, and
especially in Western medicalsystem, but it's actually one of
the most potent healingsubstances on earth. And so
Jeff, who's an expert in this,will be kind of walking us

(01:04:15):
through exactly thesemechanisms, some of the history,
and much more.
So please enjoy this shortinterview with Jeff Adam. Mister
Jeff Adam, it's great to haveyou back on the show. I always
enjoy our discussion. So, yeah,thanks for giving us your time
today.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Well, thank you for having me on. Like you said, we
always have such a great timewhen we talk. Seems like we're
talking for five minutes andsuddenly it's like, wow, an
hour's up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Exactly. Those are my favorite discussions.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Well, thank you for just being a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
You're welcome. Yeah, you're welcome. I appreciate
that. It's important actually.It's funny because I was just,
last night, I was on the phoneuntil way later than I wanted to
be on the phone, talking to oneof my best childhood friends,
and we were just reflecting on,just the importance of friends,
the importance of people, andhow, I think a lot of people

(01:05:05):
live their lives chasing moneyand fame and and wealth and,
notoriety.
And they get to the end andrealize that they've chased off
all the people that were closeto them. And I hope that I don't
have to learn that lesson. Sowe're trying to orient our lives
around just making sure weprioritize relationships and

(01:05:25):
family and friends. So anyway,it's good to have

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
you as Whenever a I'm talking to somebody and, you
know, your name comes up or theyask what interviews I've done
and I mentioned you, I alwaysrefer to you as a friend. And I
started looking at that and I'mlike, you know, it's really
amazing because the people thatI'm dealing with, I don't view
them as like business partnersor promoters. It's like this

(01:05:49):
person's a friend of minebecause we generally have
conversations and I feel like wegenerally like who each other
is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I agree. And the audience can sense that too.
Because you can sense it justyou can feel how two people
interact and there's, you know,I have a variety of guests on
it. You know, there's no enemiesI have on, but there's some
people that you just you don'treally kinda connect with, and
it's okay. It is what it is.
It makes you value the ones thatyou do. So, yeah. It was it's

(01:06:16):
good to have you here. So we'rejust gonna kinda dive straight
into silver. And we've done alot of shows on silver, and it's
it's much more than just thiskind of this bar that you, you
know, kind of bury in thebackyard in case the government
collapses, which is, you know, abig role of what it is for me.
But I think that what a lot ofpeople don't understand is how

(01:06:39):
powerful of a healing, substanceis that silver is and that a lot
of, you know, the the role ofsilver and the role of silver
as, you know, antibiotic and forhealing and everything really
got kinda hidden and pushed outof the system when the
Rockefellers and the Carnegiescame in, you know, turn of the

(01:07:01):
century, and they kind of redidthings to create what is our,
you know, current our medicalindustrial complex. But let's
just say, before we jump inanything specific, just walk us
through the role of silver inhealing in the body. I think
it's for a lot of people, it's anew concept and you think, Okay,
well, is it that this metal, youknow, do I swallow it? Like, do

(01:07:23):
I lick it? It's like, is thismetal responsible for all the
things that it does in terms ofour health?

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Well, the big difference is silver is not a
heavy metal because it's amineral. So when you look at
like gold, you look at likecopper, you look at like zinc,
those are minerals and metals atthe same time. A mineral being
that your body needs it tosurvive and your body, it
performs a function in the body.So, I mean, three thousand years
ago, the Phoenicians were liningtheir water vessels with silver

(01:07:54):
so it wouldn't stagnate whenthey transported it. You know,
so there's been a long historyof silver throughout.
You know, you look at the late1800s, scientists sterilized
their petri dishes by puttingsilver coins in them so they
could sterilize them so theycould perform their scientific
studies because it would killthe bacterias, funguses, or
viruses. And even with beforerefrigeration, they used to

(01:08:14):
drill holes in silver dollarsand put a string in it and drop
it into milk because there wasno refrigeration. So you had
your ice boxes on your frontporches, so their ice man would
deliver the ice, the milkdelivery would come in there,
open it up, pull the silver coinout because it's still worth
something, stick the milk inthere and you wouldn't have the
milk stagnating. Before 1923,silver was the number one

(01:08:35):
prescribed antibiotic in theworld. And then when you
mentioned Rockefeller, he triedto patent it to sell it as a
medicine and when he couldn't, acouple of years later, they
discovered penicillin and thenthey found out the real value of
patents because I createdsomething I could patent, nobody
else can have it.
When you can create a narrativewhere the demand outlays the
supply, now you control yourprofit margins. And that's what

(01:08:58):
they've done. And that's whythey've been trying to get
silver out of society, saying itdoes all these wicked things
that it doesn't do. And evenwhen you go to the
pharmaceutical websites and youput, you know, colloidal silver
in, under their statements thatit says no significant studies
have been done to verify thesestatements. So they wanna make
it sound like something bad.
In the meantime, you can haveone of their chemicals that has

(01:09:20):
a list, you know, 20 items, 30items long of side effects that
have happened and they want youto buy that, but what they don't
want you to buy, they go, Ah,it's this, and we don't have any
proof.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Exactly, exactly. And so, and also one of the famous
kind of stories or the ideasthat have kind of passed through
history is the idea of beingborn born with a silver spoon in
your mouth. And I always thoughtwhen I first learned that, so
growing up, I always thought,oh, that means that you're
wealthy, right? So you're you'reborn and you're being fed with a
silver spoon. But walk usthrough actually the origins of

(01:09:50):
that in the black plague anddescribe what that was like.
That's very fascinating to me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
So the plague was 1348 to 1350. Three hundred
million people died from theplague. And this is what really
got me about the pandemic isthey're saying, oh, it's the
plague, it's the plague.Thirteen percent of the
population. Can you imagine ifthirteen percent of the
population would have diedduring COVID?
I mean, you're talking, youknow, a couple billion people or

(01:10:16):
a billion people dying and itwasn't even close to that. So
what happened was they realizedthat less than a quarter of one
percent of the wealthy peoplewere getting sick And they
realized they were eating off areal silverware. So, you scrape
the fork against your tooth, youget little pieces come out,
ions, you have acid in yourmouth, breaks off little
subatomic particles and thosepeople didn't get the plague. So

(01:10:39):
doctors started prescribingpeople to walk around with
silver spoons in your mouth soyou don't get the plague. And so
instead of meaning you'rewealthy, it means does not apply
to you.
You're not going to get sickfrom the silver spoon. And
actually the tradition of givingsilver pacifiers to babies was
born there in that era too. Youknow, get the baby a silver
pacifier, now your baby won'tdie from the plague.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Interesting. It's actually funny because I was, as
we were talking about before theshow started, I used to have a
scrap buying business I'd buy. Istill have like Ziploc bags of
scrap silver and, you know, theycall junk silver. And I remember
keeping some silver silverware,and we've got a silver spoon
that's sitting up in our, youknow, we have our normal kind
of, you know, flatware orwhatever, but we have a a silver

(01:11:20):
spoon that sits in there. Andpretty often I'll give it to my
girls to use.
The problem with it is thatthey're eating soup or something
hot, the silver, it conductsthat heat, so the spoon gets
really hot. But whenever I can,if they're eating yogurt or
something, I'll give them thesilver spoon. And, of course,
you know, we're also giving themother kinds of silver and other
things that make them, you know,healthy, but, it's kind of like
a a a kick to that. So, now butyou mentioned colloidal silver,

(01:11:44):
and there's there's differentkinds of silver. You know,
colloidal silver, I think it'slike atomic silver, you've got
micronic silver.
So not all silver is createdequal as far as I understand. So
walk us through, like, what iscolloidal silver, which is, you
know, very common for a lot ofpeople who've heard of colloidal
silver. But then walk us intolike, what is micronic silver?

(01:12:07):
And what are the differencesbetween those?

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Well, starts with the production of the product. So
colloidal, ionic and nanosilver, those are the three main
types. Now there's people thatsay I have some subatomic
silver, I've got monatomicsilver. They're just fancy names
for colloidal silver. So they'reall made the same.
There's two electrodes in waterand you have alternating
current. So colloidal silver ishere, a shallow arc, that's a
particle. Then you have ionicsilver, which is a deeper arc.

(01:12:33):
And then you have nano silver,which is an even deeper arc. The
deeper the arc, the smaller theparticle or molecule.
So colloidal is a particle, Imean a little piece of silver is
coming off. When they talk aboutbuilding up in your system or
quote, the people turning bluefrom silver, that was because it
was a particle that was too bigto get washed out through
lymphatic and waste system. Yourbody kind of views silver, it's

(01:12:58):
almost like a vitamin C. I'msorry, it takes what it can get
and then it expels what is notleft or what it doesn't use.
When you have ionic silver, it'sa subatomic molecule.
So it's an ion, not a particle.So it's dispersed more wholly
through the body and it workskind of the same but a little
bit different. So they all kindof work the same. And that puts

(01:13:21):
you to nano silver, which is thedeepest arc. That is a subatomic
molecule with a higher bladesurface it's called, so its
function is a little bitdifferent.
My experience, colloidalsilvers, you don't wanna do over
10 parts per million. Theycreate biofilms and bigger
structures that your bodydoesn't assimilate well, can
become toxic. It's harder foryour body to get rid of. Ionic

(01:13:43):
silver is really good in thebody. It disrupts the chemical
lung of the single cell organismand a type of suffocation, hits
it with ionic charge, killingthe bacteria, fungus, or virus.
Now it's trapped in that celland gets washed out the
lymphatic and waste system. Andthey all perform sort of that
function. The nano silverschange with current static
electricity, and it's veryvolatile that way. So you should

(01:14:06):
never do nano mineral metal inyour body because it's changed
with current and when you'resick, your body's acidic so they
can flip polarity and becometoxic in the body. So on the
skin, it's fine, you just don'twanna put it in the body.
So when I created my chronicsilver, we created a product
that is stable in the body soyou don't have that problem. All

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other silvers stay suspended inthe body for six to eight
minutes, precipitate down andget washed out through lymphatic
and waste system. They'resublingual delivery only,
meaning absorbed under thetongue. So when you swallow
them, they hit the stomach acid,create silver chloride because
it's reactive. Now it's dead andgets washed out through the
lymphatic and waste system.
The micronic silver is stable,so it's a sublingual and an
ingested delivery. It's notdestroyed by stomach acid, so

(01:14:51):
it's dual mode delivery. And themicronic silver stays active in
the body for eight to ten hoursinstead of six to eight minutes.
So you don't have to take asmuch, consider it a concentrate
if you will. The best way toexplain it is the colloidal
ionic and nano silver is kindalike fishing.
You put the worm on the hook,you cast it out there, you catch
the fish, you rebait the hook.With the micronic silver, it's

(01:15:13):
like throwing a net out thereand just taking in all the fish,
you know, fishing all day long.So it's just much more effective
and less reactive. It is gearedtowards function and immunity,
helps build the immune system.So it gets your immune system to
work in the way that Godintended it to.
So it's just a more efficient,less reactive way of, you know,

(01:15:33):
helping the body rebuild itself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
So basically in these different variations of silver,
they are different methods thathave been used to put silver
particles into, you know, wateror a topical spray or something
that you can actually basically,acts as a carrier to bring
silver into the body, but thedifferent types of silver

(01:15:55):
particles created in thatprocess have different functions
and different kind of like shelflives in the body, right? You
know what mean, in terms of howlong they last in there. So, so,
so did you, did you invent a newprocess? Like a micronic silver,
is that a whole new kind oftechnology that was invented to
create a different type ofsilver that comes into your
body?

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna say not invented. I'm
gonna say God gave it to us.Because I'm not smart enough to
have it. I'll be honest with youon that. Yeah, ours is a three
step process.
It's not just two electrodes andwater. So one of the things that
really concerned me when I firststarted about learning about
silver and making it is theinstability issue with how it
only lasts for a couple secondsin the body. It's nondescript in

(01:16:38):
its function. So the colloidalionic and nano silver kill all
single cell organisms, bacteria,fungus, and viruses in the body,
even the good ones. So usuallyafter those, and because they're
active for six to eight minutes,you usually have to take it
quite a bit.
So as a therapeutic, if you'resick, you know, because it stays
in the body active six to eightminutes, really you should take

(01:16:59):
it every half an hour, everyhour, and you're putting high
amounts into it. With themicronic silver being stable, it
stays active in the body so youdon't have to take it all the
time. So to give you an idea,another company's colloidal
ionic or nano silver, an eightounce bottle as a therapeutic is
gonna be like five to six daysor seven days, where the eight

(01:17:19):
ounce bottle of the micronicsilver is a forty eight day
supply because you only take itonce a day, you don't take it
every hour on the hour becauseit stays active in the body. The
main benefit for me is that it'snot destroying the good
bacteria. And the reason beingis the micronic silver is exo
cellular where the other onesare intercellular.
The other silvers have to beabsorbed into the cell where
they disrupt the chemical lungof the single cell organism in a

(01:17:40):
suffocation. They hit it with anionic charge, killing it. Now
it's dead inside that cell, itgets washed out through the
lymphatic and waste system. Witha micronic silver, when it comes
in contact with your bacteria,fungus, or virus, the micron is
a subatomic particle with a veryhigh atomic mass. It comes in
contact, it steals the electron,rupturing the cell wall, killing
that on contact.
Now the micron takes in theelectron, which it cannot hang

(01:18:02):
on to because a micron is a formof an ion, which means missing
electrons or can't holdelectrons. It ejects the
electrons into the nearestthing, which is a blood cell
giving you energy. And now oursis active and goes after the
next bacteria, fungus or virusfor eight to ten hours instead
of six to eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Okay. That makes sense to my elementary way of
understanding it. So, walk on, Iknow that you've got a whole
line of products and actually Iuse most of your products. Like
the nasal spray is like probablymy favorite one. Cause it's just
like, if I'm cloudy, it just, itjust like, it's like, it's like,
kind of like licking a carbattery, like in the right way.

(01:18:39):
It just kind of like, reallygets me going. But, you know,
walk us through some of yourkind of main products and what
they do and what response you'reseeing from people that are
using these products.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so one of the things we did is we put like a
kit together of our mainproducts called our silver
bullet kit. And that one's gotthe micronic silver, which is
our flagship product, thedietary supplement. That's a 27,
you take basically a teaspoon aday, you can take it as a
preventative or you can take itif you're feeling sick. You
know, we literally havecustomers of ours that have

(01:19:11):
gotten food poisoning, take twoteaspoons of the dietary
supplement and in four minutes,the diarrhea throwing up stomach
pain stops. It helps reduceinflammation in the body.
It really gets your immunesystem functioning the way that
it should. So that one is likeyour everyday, your run of the
mill, let's use this foreverything kind of product. And
then we put that into the nasalspray. So it's really the same

(01:19:34):
formula just in a nasal sprayerbecause viruses incubate in the
nasal passages. So your firstline of defense from getting
colds and flus and stuff likethat is to spray the micronic
silver nasal spray right in yournasal passages.
And that's where it's gonna bemost effective so you don't get
sick. And when you're gonna bedealing around or dealing with
crowds of people, it's great tojust put a blast in each

(01:19:54):
nostril. And then you kind ofhave to don't worry about
getting sick. During thepandemic, when they were doing
the nasal swabs at airports, itgot out about the micronic
silver nasal spray. And we hadjust massive amount of people
that were using this before theywent to their nasal swab, like
five minutes before they wouldspray the micronic silver in
their nasal passages.
And we hadn't had one person getback to us and say they tested

(01:20:16):
positive and they were able totake their flight. So they were
using it as a cheat code. Fromthere, we went on to the
micronic topical healing and notunlike other companies that take
the dietary supplement and theyput a nasal or a topical spray
on it, and they say, This is ourtopical one. We actually make
our topical one twice as strongas our dietary supplement

(01:20:40):
because you're gonna have anamount of evaporation versus
penetration into the skin thatwe made it stronger so it works
better. That one can be sprayedin the eyes.
Actually, anywhere on the bodyyou can use that one. I have
allergies, so when my eyes itch,I just spray it right in my eyes
and basically I'm contacting it,itching goes away, the burning
goes away. And I actually usethat for, excuse me, our

(01:21:03):
customers use that for likeshingles, which is hugely
painful. We found that when youtake the dietary supplement
internally, you spray thetopical spray topically, you're
actually sandwiching the virusin between a layer where then
the body can destroy it. And thepain seems to go away almost
immediately.
And from there, with thetechnology, with how we make the

(01:21:24):
product, you know, the threestep process that we have is
again, not just two electrodesin water, we restructure the
water, like changing thehydrogen bond angles, and then
we take the ion apart, puttingit back together in a different
formulation, creating ozone initself. So because we really
became, I think one of theleaders in ozone technology, we
actually created the Aleozoneproduct, which is the little jar

(01:21:46):
on your left with the orangelabel. That is a 100% ozone
trapped in an Alea Aropa oil andit is magnificent on pain relief
on soft tissue. I mean, pulledmuscles, even broken bones where
they're swelling, it reduces theinflammation, taking pressure
off the nerve and the pain goesaway. We have dentists that use
that when they pull a tooth out,they pack that in the vacated
cavity and never get dry socket,the pain goes away.

(01:22:10):
They use the dietary supplementfor healing also. So it's really
good for oral applications, soremuscles. Actually, we've had a
lot of vendors that do showswhere their feet will get tired
or get sore. They'll put that ontheir feet if it's a two or
three day show, and they saidthey don't have the fatigue.
Chiropractors are using it whenthey do their adjustments.

(01:22:30):
Their patients are saying thatnot only was adjustment better,
they're holding longer. We havemassage therapists that use it
and their hands aren't sore atthe end of the day from giving
all the massages. So that's areally good topical product to
use. It also works on beestings, bug bites, burns, takes
the heat out of sunburn. Sothere's a lot of applications
for our products together.
And then we created the SilvaZone product from there where we

(01:22:53):
took the Leo Zone and we tookthe dietary supplement and we
put those into a skin creamcalled Silva Zone. So it's got
the benefits of the silver andthe ozone together. And that's
on a nice spreadable low meltingpoint skin moisturizer that goes
down to the subcutaneous levelof your skin immediately and
hydrates up over the next tenhours, reducing arthritis and

(01:23:14):
joint pain on contact while itsoftens the skin. And so we put
these in a packet together tomake it a little bit more
affordable and so people can trythe products. And the Silver
Bullet Kit is one of our bestsellers.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
And I'll say too that, you know, these are things
that we use. You know, I'mreally very cautious about
vetting any any product beingdiscussed on the show to say,
okay, is this good? Is thissomething I'd give my own kids?
Like, so the, the nasal spray,actually, again, so nasal spray
we use all the time. My wifewho, you know, she has lung
issues occasionally, if she's,like, can't stop coughing.

(01:23:48):
Not as much recently, she, youknow, last year or two. And I've
noticed even the nasal spraywill pull her right out of a
coughing fit. Whereas like, youknow, whether, whether she's
taking some sort of manuka honeyor eucalyptus, it doesn't really
do much to help, but the nasalspray instantly does that. I've

(01:24:08):
also found that if I've got ifI'm just if I'm blocked up,
like, I have, you know, kind ofmy sinuses are kind of, you
know, just jammed up, Again,that nasal spray, it just is
like, it's like instant clear.Now, it's intense, though.
I mean, my eyes are gonna waterbecause I think it has what?
Rosemary and some other thingsin there, if I'm not mistaken.
Which is that correct? It doeshave Rosemary, right?

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
No. This one is just the micronic silver. We have the
other one called the Sonic Mist.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
That one is the silver ozone hemp and CBD with
rosemary and eucalyptus in it.And that's the one for like the
longtime sinus sufferers. Thatone will hook you up in seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Okay. Okay. And so, but then the, the skincare,
though, is also great for,again, you know, wasps, bug
bites, stings, sunburns, andeven you have an experience too,
didn't you? If I remembercorrectly, you burned your hand
really bad. Can you tell us thatstory really quickly?
Because I think that reallyhighlights, like, one of the

(01:25:07):
best instances of how silveraffects things.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
Yeah. So, I had an elderly gentleman, his wife
would take the dietarysupplement for her Parkinson's.
It would help with her tremorsand the body pain because it
will work on bone and joint painat the cellular level in the
body. And I was dropping it offat his house and he was cooking
and he had a bottle of olive oiltoo close to the stove. And
while we were sitting in hisliving room, I heard a pow and a

(01:25:32):
whoosh and I turned around, thewhole wall's going orange.
I run-in the kitchen and flameswere shooting out of the olive
oil. His bottom of his cabinetshad already started on fire. I
mean, it was really starting tospread. So I realized that it
was an apartment building and itwas all carpeted, there was no
windows over that part of theapartment. And if that bottle
exploded, he probably wouldn'tget his wife who was bedridden

(01:25:54):
out of the house.
And he was like 80 years old, soI don't know if he would have
made it either. So when I wentinto the kitchen, there was a
towel laying there, I put thesink on, I put the towel in
there, took it out so it wassoaking wet, and I went over the
stove, I rolled up my sleeve, Igrabbed the bottle and took it
over to the stove, it spilledover my hand and caught my hand
on fire. And it was probablyroughly around 300 degrees

(01:26:17):
temperature on that bottle. Andimmediately I tossed it in the
sink, you know, put the towelaround my hand, the wet towel,
and put it, the second towelthat was there, put over the
product in the sink to stop theoxygen so the fire went out. And
then I put out the fire in thecabinets and my hand was second

(01:26:38):
and third degree burns, boiledit down to the muscle.
I asked the gentleman if he hada one quart, you know, Ziploc
bag, and I took that bottle ofdietary supplement I was given
for his wife, I dumped it in thebag and stuck my hand in there,
and immediately I had no pain.And so I just taped it around my
wrist because it was quitepainful. And I knew there was a

(01:27:01):
lot of damage done there. So thefire department got there, the
paramedics looked at it andthey're like, yeah, we're gonna
call an ambulance. And I'm like,No, I'm fine.
I'll drive myself to thehospital. And they're like, No,
you're in shock. I'm like, I'mnot in shock. And they're like,
Yeah, no, no, that's really bad.You just don't understand.
So I took the tape off, pulledmy hand out and I said, Okay,
I'm not in any pain. I said, Itook my hand out. In about ten

(01:27:22):
seconds, I mean, it felt like myhand was on fire again. It was
like, yeah, now it's reallyburning so I'm not in shock and
then I stuck it back in there,taped it off and I ended up
driving myself to the hospital.And the doctor right away, you
know, he looked at my hand, nowit's all swollen.
It's got all the fluid in thereprotecting it. And the doctor
goes, well, first thing we'regonna do is drain that. And I
look at him, I go, are you dumbor stupid? Something to that

(01:27:45):
effect. I said, that's allantiseptic in there.
Why would you cut it open? Hesaid, well, we have to drain it
so you don't get an infection.I'm like, We're at the one place
in the world where there's moreinfections than anything where
people go to the hospital to getsick and you wanna expose it to
that bad air. I'm like, No, no,no, just wrap it up and I'll go
home. And he said, Okay, so theyput some cream on it, which was

(01:28:06):
Silverdeen cream, which thehospitals use.
That was invented by Doctor.John Richardson. That's John
from RNC. His dad invented thatcream in 1967 and the hospital
still use today because it's gotsilver in it. So he put that on
it and I explained that theproduct my hand was in was like,
know, my chronic silver, about2,000 times more effective.

(01:28:26):
So I went home and I justtreated every day. And they
literally said they would haveto amputate my fingers, it was
so bad. I mean, it just boiledit right down. I mean, the skin
just really just boiled rightoff my hand. And it healed it in
twenty, it was twenty five days.
I had no pain, no scarring thewhole time. Every day, I would
just soak it in there for acouple minutes. I would put that

(01:28:47):
Aleozone salve that I showed youthat we have as part of our kit
on there and bandage it up. Andthe Lia Zone kept it moist,
stopped the inflammation, ittook the heat out of it almost
immediately when I put that onthere. And that became our wound
care protocol that they're usingin some elderly homes for bed
sores and stuff like that, whereyou take the dietary supplement
internally, you do the topicalhealing spray on it and then

(01:29:08):
while that's still wet, put theLia Zone over it to keep the
silver suspended.
And we're seeing, you know, cutsdown to tendons, like an elderly
woman who had a skin tear downto her tendons, twenty one days
at the hospital, they couldn'tget it to close-up, they can't
do stitches because the skin'stoo thin, they do our protocol
in fourteen days completelyhealed without a sign of a scar.
And so that's become our woundcare protocol. What's nice about

(01:29:30):
it is silver is so, you know,flexible in what it does,
there's many, many things itworks on. So it's not like a
pharmaceutical where it wasdesigned to do this one thing
and after that it sits in yourcabinet for, you know, five
years until you realize thebottle's expired right when you
need it the most. And nobodyever finishes their

(01:29:50):
prescriptions.
They take it to their feelbetter and they go, I'm gonna
save this for later. The silverhas ten year shelf life and it
works on many different things.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
It's pretty incredible stuff. We've had,
mean, we haven't had that levelof experience, but I can say
just from my own experience ofburning myself or, you know,
like, you know, bumping a hotcast iron pan, that it's it's
it's same experience. It's justlike, it just instantly, it goes
from burning to just like, Oh,what happened there?

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
If you touch it, it'll hurt. If

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
they Exactly. Leave it alone, like

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
doesn't blister. It doesn't even blister, so you
don't have any scar or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Exactly, exactly. So I'll go back to your website.
We've got a link set, it's justsethsilver.net, and I'll make
sure the link is in thedescription. There's a promo
code Seth, you get a discount onthere. So, this is a Silver
Bullet kit right here.
On the shop, you've got a bunchof other products, you've got
some mouthwash and some, thoseare new products, which we'll

(01:30:45):
probably do a separate show onthose. You know, you can get the
individual products here, so ifpeople wanna wanna just get the
Silva Zone for the, you know,for the, you know, cream or the
nasal spray. The other spray Iwas talking about was a Sonic
Mist. This is the one that wealso use This as is a Sonic
Mist. You have them all there.
But then if you go down, this isthe silver bullet kit, right? So

(01:31:06):
as they save, it's kind of likethe, you know, your your
complete medicine cabinet, rightthere. And so again, that's,
sethsilver.net, promo code,seth. He can save you some money
on that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
And if you wanna go back to the arcanum a

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
I wanna tell people about this because it doesn't
get enough attention. So theArcanum twelve hundred has been
working better than morphine forpain management with people.
It's actually the micronicsilver with ozone, hemp, and CBD
in it. From a Delta eight, not aDelta nine. It doesn't make you
feel high but we were at theautism conference and there was
people there that children hadseizures and this actually

(01:31:41):
stopped their seizures.
Incredible. So, and again,everything we have is all
natural, 100% organic, nosynthetics in it. So the one
thing that people don'tunderstand when you're looking
at a pharmaceutical, they putsynthetics in it which is not
natural in the body. So rightaway, body is going to attack

(01:32:01):
it. So they put, every singledrug has an immunosuppressor in
it to suppress your immunesystem so it doesn't attack the
thing that they gave you to helpwith the condition that you
have.
Now that doesn't make sense tome. Mean, I'm going east to
Chicago, don't go west to turnaround and go back east. And
this is what, you know, we dealwith big pharma with is

(01:32:23):
everything that they do isgeared towards profit. You know,
yes, we need to make a living.The money revolves around people
making a living.
We wanna make a living, but ourgoal is to help people first and
foremost. You know, if I putmyself out of business by people
using our product, we have sucha healthier society. God's
blessed me immensely. He's gonnabless me in other ways. So we do

(01:32:45):
pray over and bless ourproducts.
We believe it's the power of hisword that's in it. But we have a
lot of loyal customers likeyourself. We don't let anybody
talk about our product unlessthey use it, so that way they
can share their experiences withit. And we have an 89% customer
reorder rate, so we know ourproducts work very, very well.
We do have people that answerthe phones, usually me, so if

(01:33:08):
there's questions, if there'ssomething our product does, we
will tell you a product.
We will, you know, like forcirculatory problem issues,
know, the cardio miracle, orlike the RNC with the apricot
seeds. So we wanna help, ourgoal is to help people get
better. Our goal is not profits.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Which is important and important, especially these
days. So Jeff, thank you againfor your time. Again, reminder,
I'll put all the links in thedescription and look forward to
next time. Thank you for beinghere with us today.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Thank you. God bless you. And thank you for being a
friend.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Alright, bye bye.

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