He Gave Saline Instead of the COVID Shot & Now Faces 35 YEARS IN PRISON!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a
world gone mad. I'm your host,Seth Holehouse. So speaking of a
world gone mad, my guest today,doctor Kirk Moore, is the
pinnacle, the example of whathappens in a world that has
truly gone mad. Doctor KirkMoore, is now under

(00:35):
investigation, and he's going totrial. He's being, targeted by
the DOJ and also, you know,through, like, the HHS.
I think the FBI was involved.There's a whole host of agencies
that have been targeting him,not because he was an evil
doctor that was harming peopleor scamming people or abusing
patients while they were underanesthesia. No. He's being

(01:00):
targeted and potentially facingup to thirty five years in
prison for saving over twothousand people from getting the
COVID vaccine that we now knowhas caused turbo cancers, you
know, sudden death, myocarditis,autoimmune disorders. The list

(01:21):
just goes on and on and on Thatthere's over two thousand people
that were because their kids hadto go to school or because of
their work that they had vaccinemandates, that he gave them an
option to take a saline shotinstead of the vaccine, quote,
unquote, vaccine that we nowknow has caused catastrophic
damage to humanity.

(01:42):
And he offered them a way out byallowing them to take a saline
shot instead and still be ableto go to school, still be able
to keep their job, etcetera. Andyet now he is being targeted. In
the past couple of years, he'sbeen intensely targeted as
really, I would say, a a a as apolitical example of what
happens when someone goesagainst the medical system. And,

(02:03):
again, he's facing up to 35 inprison for this, which is
absolutely mind blowing. It'snot like he lied to his patients
and say that they wanted theCOVID vaccine, and he gave them
something instead.
These are people that he wasfully transparent. He said,
look. Here's the, the vaccineinsert right here. Nothing on
there. So he explained the risk.

(02:24):
He, you know, he gave hispatients informed consent, and
he did something that I look asbeing very brave and courageous,
and he offered them a solutionto still allow their kids to
stay in school or allow them tokeep their job that didn't
involve injecting this mRNAtechnology into their bodies,
and he's being targeted for it.And so I came across this story

(02:45):
on Twitter, and I saw a lot ofpeople that I was following, you
know, big kind of medicalvoices, you know, freedom
fighting doctors sharing this.And I reached out to him, and he
was familiar with my show,thankfully, and and he agreed to
come on. And so this is a reallyimportant story for us to get
out because his his trial is inless than a month. He he's gonna
be going to trial for this.
And, again, they're gonna betrying to put him away for up to

(03:06):
thirty five years with with somekinds of crazy charges, like,
you know, defrauding the federalgovernment by, you know, getting
these $30,000 worth of vaccinesand not using them. And, I mean,
it it just this case, there's noprecedent for this. I mean,
again, he's not someone that washarming and maiming his his
patients or practicing without alicense. He's someone that was

(03:27):
following the oath of what itmeans to be a doctor and and
doing no harm and givingpatients informed consent. And
so what a brave man.
What a courageous man. Buttoday's interview is gonna be
just walking you through hisstory, what it was like for him
in the early days of COVID. Youknow, what led to him actually

(03:48):
choosing to do this? What wasthe process of, how he got
caught? What's crazy is thatthey literally did a sting
operation on him.
Same way that you'd see with,like, a drug deal or you hear
about this with the FBIinfiltrating a terror cell, and
they do a sting operation. Theygot someone undercover that, you
know, the the potentialterrorist agrees, hey. Let's
make a bomb together, and theyarrest them. So they literally

(04:11):
did a sting operation on thisguy to confirm that he was
giving his patients an optionsan option to not take some
experimental gene therapy, some,you know, DNA modifying mRNA
technology. He gave them anoption to do something safe.
And so this is his story. I hopethat you enjoy this interview. I

(04:34):
hope that you can, with whateveryour capacity is, that you can
help, stand behind doctor Moore,whether it's sharing this
interview or, donating to his,his legal fund or whatever it is
that you can do, passing thisalong to the right people. Like,
hopefully, that we can have thisinterview go viral enough that
some people higher up in theDOJ, catch wind of it, and maybe

(04:55):
they can step in, because thisthis persecution of him started
under the Biden administration.And, unfortunately, it didn't
stop under the Trumpadministration.
So even though we've got, youknow, Pam Bondi and RFK and, you
know, Cash Patel and people thatare in these major positions,
he's still being treated thesame way that he was a couple of
years ago and still facing theseegregious charges. So before we

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Doctor Moore, it's an honor tohave you on the show. Thank you
so much for joining us today.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, hi, Seth. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Absolutely. So your story is a very, very important
story for us to get out rightnow for a lot of reasons. But
instead of me trying to tellyour story or my understanding
of it, why don't you walk usthrough just the the story of
you being a doctor, what you sawhappening with the COVID kind of

(08:16):
vaccines or shots, how youhandled it, and and and really
kind of what's led us up heretoday. So if you sort of walk
through your story, I might jumpinto some questions, but your
story is so important that Ireally wanna hear it coming from
you.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. So, my story starts just like anybody else. I
mean, there's there's obviouslya history behind me, but my
story with COVID startedobviously in 2020, and I was no
different than I don't thinkmost other people out there, the
vast majority of other people. Iwas hearing stories in January,
February of this, you know,deadly virus that had started in

(08:52):
China that was killing people,that, people were dying by the
hundreds and, seeing pictures ofthe, you know, the deaths and
the the what do you call it?When they the crematoriums and
everything else in China and allof the hotspots that they were
showing on TV.

(09:13):
And so I was just kind of like,okay, keeping it peripherally,
but I'm somebody that when I'm aplastic surgeon, so when I
operate in the Operating Room, Iactually listen to podcasts. So
and I tend to listen to kindacurrent event podcasts, and so I
was hearing about this while Iwas operating. So then you start
hearing about lockdowns. Youstart seeing all that stuff

(09:34):
about all those people that weredying supposedly in Italy and
Spain. The first cases that hitthe West Coast and then hit New
York.
You know, lockdowns are coming.The governor of Utah says, hey.
We're gonna shut down such andsuch a date. Think it was, like,
March, boy, twenty first, twentysecond, something like that. And

(09:55):
so on a Tuesday, and I believeit was March 16, I went home
after surgery, saw something, Idon't remember specifically what
it was, but again along thosesame lines, and I called my
office manager said, Hey,they're gonna shut us down next
week anyway, let's just call itand cancel everything, you know,
postpone all our surgeries.

(10:15):
I'll have somebody go into theoffice just to kinda be there,
but we're gonna close the doorsand everything else. I mean, my,
you know, my my logic at thatpoint was I had a and what when
twenty nineteen, I had a 11 yearold and a 15 year old daughter.

(10:35):
So an 11 year old son and a 15year old daughter that I'm
raising by myself. And so I justdidn't wanna put them in any
danger by me being exposed tosomebody, you know, somebody
that's presumably coming into myoffice infected. Right?
That's that was my mentality.So, starting with that night,
knowing I didn't have anythingelse to do, I just got nothing
to do but sit here. I'm I'mtalking to you on the same

(10:58):
laptop that I was doing all thatresearch on. I just started
doing research. I had alreadyheard a little bit about a guy
by name of doctor VladimirZelenko.
You know, I I don't again,timing is a little bit off
because I didn't I didn'tjournal everything, but, I had
heard about him and treating andtreatment, and and so I just

(11:21):
started researching. And so I'malready in tune. I'm a
conservative guy, kind oflibertarian leaning. And so I
get certain newscasts and newsposts and emails in my inbox and
everything else. So I startgetting all this stuff.
I'll tell you within so fromthat Tuesday afternoon to
probably Thursday morning,Wednesday afternoon, Thursday

(11:42):
morning, I did a one eighty. Iwas ready to open my office back
up. I was ready to go back towork. I was just like, this is
just a bunch of BS. You know,I'm like I said, I'm I'm I hated
microbiology when I was inmedical school and college.
I just thought it was somethingthat I just had to check the box
and get through and take my testand manage it and everything

(12:02):
else. I'm not gonna be aninfectious disease doctor. I
don't care. You know, I'm justgonna look at the lab results.
Somebody sends me somethingsensitive to this antibiotic,
hey, that's what I'm going givethem.
But, you know, when I realized,you know, that this was just
nothing but, you know, scaretactics and fake, and everything
else. I think the first red flagto me was, the major red flag

(12:27):
was, hey, we have no treatmentfor this, just go home. And when
you're really sick and you'redying, you need to call an
ambulance, and you can barelytake a deep breath, then come
into the hospital and we'lltreat you. That to me was so
antithetical to the practice ofmedicine is the way I knew it,

(12:47):
and I've talked about thisbefore. It's kind of like me
telling a patient of mine thatfinds a lump on her breast to
wait, to not do anything aboutthe lump, okay, that either she
feels or is noticed on amammogram or whatever, to wait
till it erodes through the skinand your breast is falling off

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and then at that point we'lltreat you.
That was the analogy that I tookbecause it applied directly to
what my practice of medicine andpractice in surgery had always
been, and so I just, it didn'tmake any sense to me, and that
to me just was kind of like, heywait a minute, why are we doing
this? You know, we're nottreating people. Why not Advil?
Why not Tylenol? Why aren't wegiving them antibiotics?

(13:34):
People can give people with theflu antibiotics all the time. So
why are we not treating people?So that was kind of the very
beginning of, you know, where wewere.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And so what happened once you saw the vaccine rollout
kind of unfold? Because Iremember back because I started
this show in 2020, and so I Iremember, you know, some of the
earlier interviews that weregoing really viral, you know,
among the the places I waslooking. Right? Some of the
interviews with, like, SherryTenpenny or doctor Peter

(14:04):
McCullough or Zelenko, doctorZelenko, when they're talking
about, you know, basically, allthe red flags they were seeing
in these, quote, unquote,vaccines. Right?
And not to mention that the, youknow, the the things like
hydroxychloroquine and differenttreatments were being completely
demonized and and mocked. So, ofcourse, there was no treatment,
so it was issued to the EUA sothey could roll this thing out

(14:26):
to the public. But as you as yousaw the vaccine kind of being
prepared and then and thenrolled out, what what was your
stance on that, and what wereyou thinking and and and just
watching?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah. Well, you know, I had mentioned before the first
red flag to me was, you know,hey. We don't have any
treatment. Wait till you'redying and then you come into the
hospital. The second red flag tome was we're not going to get
anywhere until we put a needlein everybody's arm that's
walking the face of this earth.
And I started medical school in1989, and I got shingles from my

(15:06):
first hepatitis B vaccine. So Ihave not had a I've had one
vaccine since then, that was theyellow fever shot in order to
get to Africa for a couple ofhumanitarian trips, but that's
it. So I was very skeptical. Mymy daughter is partially
vaccinated. We I wasn't fully, Iguess, in the term now is the

(15:29):
anti vaccine network, you know,people.
But and was never really antivaxxed. I never really kind of,
like, railed against it. I justsaid, hey, I just don't think it
worked for me. I don't think itworks for everybody. My daughter
was being partially vaccinatedand then she got some sort of
vague abdominal pain a couple ofdays after her, I don't know,
she's two years old.
I can't remember what vaccineshe got, but a couple of days

(15:51):
after that, we ended up inChildren's Hospital and they
wanted to take her gallbladderout. I'm like, on a two year
old? Yeah, no thanks. Hard pass.So at that point, that kind of
turned me around.
So that was like 2,005 ishrange. But, so when I, you know,
again, with that background andwith me having treated people
with hydroxychloroquine andivermectin and steroids and

(16:12):
everything else through 2020,because that's what I was doing,
and because nobody else wasdoing it, and I had one hundred
percent success rate. Never hadanybody go to the hospital,
never had been, kind of likeDoctor. Zyngco had, had anybody
go to the hospital, Doctor.Brian Tyson out in California.
Sherry Tenpenny was somebodythat I was following from back
in the early 2000s regardingvaccines. So yeah, it was all of

(16:37):
that. So when I hear that, I'mkinda like, No. This isn't gonna
work. You know, Gert Van denBosch is talking about, you
know, a non sterilizingvaccines.
You never vaccinate into, youknow, a quote, unquote pandemic.
I mean, at this point, we didn'teven have a pandemic. It was not
treated, you know. I mean, Ithink when we had shutdowns here
in March, when oh, sorry. Inearly February when they called

(17:01):
the, what is it called?
Primary they call it fake with,the World Health Organization, P
H E I C, public health concern,public health emergency of
international concern, right?Which I think is really
interesting that it's the thatif you spell it out, it's called

(17:22):
fake, right? So when theyannounced that, there had been
one death, one, and worldwide.And so if you look at the
chronology, and there's athere's a guy that has a
chronology up online, EricCoppolino. I don't know if
you've heard of him.
He keeps a website, and hedocuments that, you know, the

(17:45):
the the day by day, kinda and II just found this recently, so
it's not like I was following itback then. But, anyway, but
there had been there was onedeath. And so we have all of
this stuff when they announcedthis, you know, kind of fake
COVID vaccine or fake COVID, youknow, pandemic, there had been a
total of one death. There havebeen some hospitalizations in a

(18:06):
country of 1,400,000,000 peoplewhere they have hundreds of
thousands of people withpneumonia every year. Again,
this is all hindsight.
So, you know, vaccines comearound. I'm already skeptic, and
I'm like, there's no way. Youknow? We don't have vaccine.
We've been trying to get avaccine for cancer for a hundred
years.
We've been trying to get avaccine for AIDS for the last

(18:27):
forty. And you're telling methat in January of this year,
you know, you guys have this,you know, deadly virus that is
some mutated form of somethingthat either came out of a lab or
was you know, some pangolin wasmessing with a bat and, you
know, came up with this, youknow, kind of weird concoction
of something, and all of asudden, you're gonna get a

(18:49):
vaccine for this and solve aviral illness that has been
around since mankind was, youknow, since before mankind, and
you're going to do this in ninemonths. And I was like, you
know, no, that's just not goingto happen. So I'm on the
periphery. So this is, you know,November, December, December 20,
they launched it, and they, youknow, first come out to the

(19:14):
health care workers becausethey're the ones that are most
at risk, which is reallyinteresting because they're the
ones that weren't dying duringCOVID, but they were taking care
of all these people that weresupposedly infected.
And, then at the January, we hadseven hundred deaths that had
been reported to VAERS, youknow, and, like, I think

(19:35):
nineteen thousand or so, youknow, severe adverse events
reported to VAERS in one month.Call it six weeks if you want to
from December 20. And I was justlike, they're gonna shut this
thing down. You know, they hadthey had fifty deaths in, you
know, with the swine flu in themid seventies. I was 10 years
old.

(19:55):
They'll they'll shut this down,you know, and they didn't, and
they kept pushing, they keptgoing. And, you know, now
they're, you know, in thebackground, you're hearing
mandates. And, you know, DonaldTrump was president in 2020, and
then Biden gets elected, youknow, Kamala Harris and Joe
Biden are like, I will nevertake this vaccine. And then all
of a sudden, they're talkingabout mandating it for all of

(20:17):
mankind. So and I we start, youknow, progressing, and it's just
as deadly, and you're hearingall these reports.
Nobody's paying any attention.You know, lawsuits happening,
lawsuits getting dropped, and,you know, school is out, but
they're starting to talk about,okay, what's gonna happen for
school next year? They starttalking about mandating it for

(20:39):
kids to go to school. I starthaving my patients coming to me
that I had treated for COVID,and their families worried that,
you know, they, hey, didn't wanttheir kids to get these
vaccines. So, I called the Utahhealth department or or emailed
them, said, hey.
I'd like to become a vaccineclinic, and, opened up my doors

(21:01):
to, vaccinating people for COVIDin May, June of twenty twenty
one.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
So you basically then became a vaccine clinic, and but
you had all these, you know,these patients coming to you
saying, look. They they theydidn't wanna get the COVID
vaccine. And so how did you youhandle that? Because this then
ties us into where we are todaywith the DOJ coming after you.
Right?
So this is where this is where,like, you know, the the story

(21:28):
arc, it takes this wild twist,and and the real kind of battle,
opens up here. So what what wereyou doing? So so that you knew
was saying, hey. Look. You know,doctor Moore, I'm I'm kinda
hesitant about this COVIDvaccine.
Should I get it? You know, mythey're saying my kids had to
have it to go to school. Youobviously, you know, been

(21:48):
following, say, doctor Timpennyfor some time. You you knew what
it was. You weren't one of thosedoctors that, you know, got his
first shot in his booster, thenfound out two years later, oh my
goodness, this was really bad,and how many did I get out?
So how did you approach that?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I approached it the way I approach anything else
in medicine. When I havesomebody coming in, I'm a
cosmetic surgeon, I havesomebody comes in that wants
breast augmentation, I sit themdown, I, you know, do an exam,
I, you know, evaluate them, Ihear what it is that they're
interested in doing, and I talkto them about what the pros and

(22:23):
cons are. I give them fullinformed consent. I tell them
what the issues are, whatimplants are, what the
complications are, what thepotential risks are, both short
term, long term, because we haveforty, fifty years of data about
breast implants. So we can givethem a very, you know, kind of

(22:43):
an informed, we have a veryinformed discussion with them
about the risks of auto immunediseases, the risk of cancer,
the risk of infection, the riskof kind of having what's called
capsular contraction, ishardening around the implants
and what happens when we dothat, how do we address that.
So that's just the way I do it,it's the way I've always done
medicine, we should be doinginformed consent, and I, you

(23:07):
know, we're not doing informedconsent when we inject a product
that we don't even have the listof ingredients that we don't
have anything on, that when youlook at the safety data sheet
that comes with the vaccine, itsays intentionally left blank on
it because it's all proprietaryinformation. And you show that

(23:28):
to your patients, it's kind oflike me saying here, let me put
this breast implant in. I don'tknow what it is. I have no idea
what it does. I don't knowwhether it's going to explode.
I don't know whether it's goingto give you cancer. I don't know
whether it's going to give youautoimmune diseases, but it
could look really well. It couldlook really good if everything
goes okay. So again, just like Iwas using the analogy before of

(23:52):
having a lump on your breast andeverything else, I just applied
this to my own practice ofmedicine. And so when you
explain that to people, evenwhether they're coming to you
wanting that procedure done, orwhether they come to you already
skeptical of what it is, thenyou both come to that decision.

(24:13):
And like I said, mainly in thesummer of twenty one, it was for
the kids. And, you know, alittle bit later that year, I
think, I don't know, August,September, they started
mandating it for, you know, forfederal employees. OSHA came out
with their mandate. Theymandated it for health care

(24:36):
workers. I think Texas Methodistwas the first hospital in the
country to mandate it for all oftheir employees, not just their
kind of public facing healthcareemployees, and they struggle
with that.
So I just, I provided fullinformed consent my patients and
then we proceeded with, kind ofgiving them, you know, what we

(25:00):
discussed was, you know, anoption, and the option at that
time was just a saline shot asa, you know, as kind of a
control. The main reason forthat was I didn't want a 12, 13
year old kid going to school andsaying, you know, hey, here's,

(25:22):
you know, and having them get introuble. They're not in trouble,
but, discussing it with theirfriends and saying, I never I
never got a shot. So I so I gavethem a shot.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
So basically, you saw the the the potential harm of
this. And not just the harm, butjust the lack of transparency.
Right? You made a good pointabout the implants, or it's
almost like be if I'm buying,say, a a $30, you know, scale
for my espresso machine. Right?

(25:54):
I'm looking at Amazon. I'mreading reviews. I'm seeing,
okay. How does it work? Is thisgonna be a good thing for me?
I research it. Right? Like likemost of us do. Yet you have this
experimental, you know, vaccine,quote, unquote vaccine, that
it's like, imagine, you know,being forced to buy something.
It's okay.
You have to go buy this, butit's like, well, there's no
reviews. There's no description.Like, how do I even know what it

(26:15):
what it is or what it does?Right? So, like, you know, most
people

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I have a $130.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Exactly. Right? And that's just I mean, it's such a
simple analogy that people willput they'll spend more time
researching and spending, youknow, a tiny purchase on Amazon
than actually looking at whatthey're injecting into their
body. And so what you weredoing, as I understand it, is
obviously, you know, sharing theinformation of what you've what
you've probably seen, theresults of VAERS data, but then,

(26:42):
you know, okay. Here's yourhere's your intentional blank.
Here's your sheet of paper thattells you what's in this. Oh,
there's nothing on there. Right?Which is, you know, from what I
understand is, like, that's notcommon in the medical industry.
And so, you came to theconclusion that this is
potentially harmful, and but youwanted to give people an option
to, you know, give them salineinstead.

(27:05):
And, so they they would still beable to, you know, have their
papers. Right? Like, okay. Hey.Look.
You know, here's my I did getthis shot, etcetera. So, I mean,
well, for one, I I Icongratulate you for just your
your courage and yourdiscernment. I mean and I know
that you're we'll get intowhat's happening with with the

(27:26):
DOJ and everything, and and justkeep, you know, keep in mind
that if there's anything thatyou wanna say, hey, Seth, I
can't talk about that becauseof, you know, legal issues, I
completely respect that. Right?Because I know that, you know,
this obviously is a verysensitive issue.
So how many do you how many ofthose saline shots did you end
up administering? Like, how manypeople did you save from

(27:49):
potential death, stroke, heartissues, autoimmune disorders,
etcetera?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah. So I ordered, just under 2,000 vaccines from
the Utah health department. Sothat's what the you know, you
you mentioned it. That that'swhat we're at. The the federal
government in January of twentythree indicted us, four of us.

(28:17):
So myself, my business actually,five. So four people in my
business. So myself, my officemanager, another employee of
mine, and a neighbor of minethat had gotten, you know, got
involved. His name her name isChris, and then my business. So
in January 23, they showed up.

(28:38):
They confiscated with a searchwarrant. They shot there were 10
or 11, you know, federalofficers lined up along the
stair the stairway, kind of,again, show of force,
unnecessary, some of themwearing vests, some of them not,
and confiscated my phone and thephone of my office manager. And

(29:00):
we didn't know anything at thetime, I called my attorney who
was not a criminal attorney,just a real estate guy. And and
we, you know, gave him ourphones. The week later, we find

(29:21):
out through the news that we hadbeen indicted.
And then a week or so afterthat, we have our arraignment.
Never got served. We never gotarrested. And it's been a kind
of a bug in my craw since then,because, you know, you hear of

(29:43):
people being let off because theprocess wasn't done properly at
times. So, so anyway, and I Iwent down that rabbit hole.
We can talk about that in just alittle bit, but, so, you know,
that's the, you know, that's thestory. So between May of twenty
one and October ish of twentytwo, we ordered, about, 2,000

(30:06):
just under 2,000 vaccines fromthe Utah health department.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And so, basically, then then at some point, federal
agents show up, and and you youget hit by this freight train
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Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah. I have to be careful about that because, it's
in my discovery, and I'm not andit's protected. So, I mean,
let's just put it this way. Theyfound out somehow, and they ran
a sting operation. So they sentsomebody in, and they ended up
getting a card without a shoteven, I think.

(32:02):
And then they she sent in it wasa female, and then she sent in
her boyfriend, to also come inand get a shot. They questioned
us about what we were doing withkids, and how we were addressing
that. And, and then that waskinda middle middle summer

(32:23):
spring summer of twenty twentytwo. And so then a year later,
they kinda put everythingtogether.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
So they ran a sting operation on you with, like,
basically, kind of like aninform not not informant. Right?
Like, you you you, what do youwhat do you call those people
that are, the ones that kinda goundercover to to catch you in

Speaker 2 (32:43):
the crime? Right? So an undercover, you know,
undercover police officer thatran a sting operation, you know,
kind of, you know, came in. Andthe interesting thing about it
is the second police officerthat came in so we get indicted.
Two police officers can confirmwhat it was that we are doing.
And in January of this year, sosix months ago, they had to redo

(33:07):
their indictment becausesometime last fall, the second
police officer that came in gotbusted for selling bath salts.
So selling, you know, drugsworth probably hundreds of
thousands, millions of dollars,k, that he was stealing from the
confiscated, you know, stash of,you know, drugs that they were
finding. So, basically, he wasmoving it from one location to

(33:29):
another, and then he was themiddleman making the money. So
they had to take out that partof the on their indictment that,
you know, they had acorroborating, you know, witness
or corroborating, story of asecond.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Gosh. And so so were these local police officers, or
were these, like, were thesefederal agents?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
They were federal. That it was a it was a task
force. It was the FBI. It wasthe OIG's office of, the HHS,
and it was the Department of,you know, so DHS was another
agency, and I think that DEA wasinvolved peripherally, but, I
you know? So yeah.

(34:09):
So we you know, like I said,they've spent millions of
dollars, untold numbers of hoursto come after me and my staff
and my neighbor over $28,000 offraud. So, it's an interesting
argument. I mean, it'sinteresting to look at it. So

(34:30):
There are no there are no laws.Sorry.
I interrupted you. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh, no. I was just gonna ask. Okay. So you said
I'll kind of follow what youwere saying real quickly, then I
have different questions. Soyou're saying there are no laws,
right, or precedent for thisbecause it's like, yeah, I guess
what would this kind of beconsidered?
It's like, So clients coming in,a patient comes in, they this is
thing about legally. Right?Okay. You know, typically, you

(34:55):
know, doctors get in troublebecause they they drug their
patients and they molest themwhile they're, you know, under
anesthesia or something. Right?
Something terrible. But thisWell,

Speaker 2 (35:07):
prescriptions or write narcotics.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
There you go. Right?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Patient who then goes out and sells them, you know,
and, you know, those kinds ofthings, right? So that's, you
know, that Those are the thoseare the things that docs get in
trouble for.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah. But not not like the patient comes in to get
a vaccine and they consent toreceiving saline instead. Right?
Like, I I don't imagine there'sa there's a a big book of, you
know, precedent for this. Right?
And so is it is the DOJ, is thisthe main kinda agency that's

(35:43):
coming after you? And Well, nowit is. Yeah. So now it's turned
over obviously to,

Speaker 2 (35:49):
you know, the the DOJ to prosecute this. And, you
know, and so they're the onesthat are kind of, you know,
going down this road. So they'rethe ones that are prosecuting
me. They're the ones that are,in my opinion, persecuting me
just because of my, they claimthat it's a political statement.
It has nothing to do withpolitics.

(36:09):
It's just purely medicine.They're the ones that are
bringing politics into it. Andso, yeah, I mean, it's it's just
it's kinda you know, the theyhave to try to shoehorn in some
sort of violation into anotherstatute. So what they're trying

(36:29):
to say is that I defrauded thegovernment of $28,000 worth of
their product. And what they'resaying is we paid for that
product.
And then the the

Speaker 1 (36:42):
With our taxpayer money, by the way.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Right? So whose money is it? Exactly. You know I mean?
So and I know that you and Ikind of are on that same level
type of you know?
But it's kinda like, yeah. Sowhose money are you using? Did
you use your own money? So andif you did, where did you make
it? K?
How did you make your money tothen buy this vaccine? I mean,
we can get into all the otherstuff on how the production of
the vaccine was done and all thestuff with Sasha Ladopova and

(37:06):
all the stuff with, you know,Katherine Watt and, you know,
this being a full on DODoperation to begin with and, you
know, and then them calling upPfizer and having them slap
their label on the, you know, onthe bottle and saying, hey. You
know, we'll give this to you,but then in turn, we hear you
sign this contract with us andwe'll buy it from you. Anyway
but yeah. So, you know, so theyhad to shoehorn in what it is

(37:29):
that we supposedly did wronginto a fraud statute.
Well, fraud requires requiresintent. So, you know, I have to
I have to have an intent to takesomething some something of
value from one person andpurposely redoing or or doing
something wrong with it so sothat that person there so

(37:51):
they're giving me money toinvest in a piece of property,
and then I don't invest in thatpiece of property, and instead I
go out and buy a car. That'sfraud. Okay? So what they're
trying to do is they're tryingto say there's a number of, you
know, number of things, butthey're trying to just say that
I defrauded the government oftheir product because I signed a
contract to, become a vaccineprovider for the COVID vaccine,

(38:15):
you know, project, and I didn'tdo what it was that they wanted
me to do.
You brought up Amazon earlier,you know, on buying a scale for
$30. K? So take it let's let'slook at it this way. Let's take
that same scale, k, that you buyfrom company x. And the scale
comes with, you know, all theinstructions and comes with,

(38:38):
hey.
This is how you use it. This ishow you turn it on. This is how
you change the this units, youyou go from ounces to pounds to
kilos to, you know, tomilligrams, grams, whatever,
and, you know, this is how youdo that. And then you decide
when you bring it home to turnit upside down and use the under
part of it, and that's how youweigh your product. Okay?

(38:59):
That's kind of that's whatthat's in. And so now company x
finds out that they're thatyou're doing that with their
product. So they want to sueyou. K? Or they're saying that
you defrauded them of the use oftheir product because you did
something other than what theywanted you to do with it.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Okay? Crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
That's that's essentially what that's that's
the same analogy here. K?They're they're taking a product
that they presumably never ownedor they're trying to tell you
that they never owned, butthey're buying it from a
company, and then they'redelivering it to you. So now the
other question is, when theydeliver it to me, who owns it?
Whether I paid for it, k,because I did with my tax

(39:40):
dollars, but whether I you know,but whether they're giving it to
me for free, and even though ithas some instructions to it,
just because I don't use it thatway is that fraud.
And especially when there'snobody that was hurt. There are
no injured patients. There areno injured party. Nobody's

(40:00):
claiming that they got somethingthat they didn't want or
nobody's claiming that theydidn't get something that they
did want. So there's no there'snobody here.
They can't bring anybody up onthe stand that says that what
they got was they didn't want orwhat they didn't get was what
they wanted. And, you know, andso they're trying to kinda
shoehorn this into that, thenconspiracy thing, you know, is

(40:24):
because there's more than oneperson doing it. And then I
counterfeited the cards. Well, Ididn't counterfeit anything.
These were cards that were givento me from the federal
government or from, you know,presumably from the federal
government.
I don't know that because theydon't have an OMB stamp on it.
So I don't know whether this isan actual federal government
piece of paper or not, but it'sgot a logo. It's got a CDC logo

(40:45):
that I can download and put on apiece of paper. I mean, I did
that with a friend of mine.Funny story.
You got a you got a minute?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
So, a really good friend of mine was married to a
gal who used to work for me. Andhe was up skiing at Snowbird,
and he was going over into theAlta side because it had snowed,
and there was just all thisfresh snow and he was just
getting powder on after powderon and nobody was, you know,
nobody was there and everythingelse. So he does it three or

(41:13):
four times and finally, he getsdown to the bottom of the hill
and there's ski patrol waitingfor him. They they they revoke
his pass because he was skiingout of bounds and it was, you
know, he knew it. So they revokehis pass and they said, hey, you
know, you'll have to call us,you know, get a hold of us when
you renew your pass and we'lltalk to you.
So in the middle of the summer,I downloaded this is where it
comes from. I downloaded theSnowbird logo, k, from the

(41:36):
Snowbird website, put it on apiece of paper, and I wrote a
letter, this official lookingletter, and sent it to him, k,
saying, hey. You are now gonnahave to go through this remedial
course. You are gonna have tospend, you know, a hundred hours
of community service and, youknow, whatever. I mean, I just
kinda made this whole thing.
Call this number to scheduleyour appointment. You must do so
in the next forty eight hours oryou will never get a snowbird

(41:58):
pass again in your life. K? So Isent this letter to him and, you
know, and it was a full on panicfor him. I had to talk to his
wife was telling me everythingthat was going on.
And finally, I let him stew forabout a week, and then finally,
I called up Ryan and go, hey. Itwas all fake, man. Because I
gave him some I actually gavehim an actual phone number to
call. That was the actual phonenumber for the safety office or

(42:19):
the the speed patrol office atSnowbird. And so he was calling
there, and then they were wedon't know what this is all
about.
Anyway, so I could have done thesame thing with these cards
because there's nothing on therethat makes them official other
than that logo. Okay? And, youknow, there's people that have
been thrown in jail, people thatwere selling cards online,
people selling them on eBay thatmade $1,400,000. They're

(42:42):
spending time in jail, you know,and everything else.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. Obama can do it with a with a a birth
certificate. Right. So, anywayYeah.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You know, that's the you know, that that's what these
cards were. So they're claimingthat I counterfeited them. I
didn't counterfeit anything. Soand then they're claiming, that
I destroyed government propertybecause after we were indicted,
now my office manager who'staken a plea deal, is telling
the government that I told herto get rid of the any vaccine

(43:11):
that we still had in the office.One, I didn't know that we had
it in the office.
Two, I found out later that thevaccine was never in the office
because she just took it home sothat it was never there for
anybody to actually even, youknow, potentially use it by
mistake. And, you know, and soshe told she told the government
that I told them to you know,for her to get rid of it. One,

(43:32):
if I had told her that, it wasexpired anyway and couldn't
couldn't be used. It needed tojust be thrown away anyway. And
two, it never happened.
But, so, anyway, that's thoseare the charges.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
And so what is the what is the DOJ trying to
accomplish with this? Like, whatis their do they wanna put you
behind bars? I mean, what arewhat are they aiming for here?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah. So we, we went through and tried to get, when
Pam Bonney got sworn in, I thinkthe first day that she was there
or the day after she establishedthis, weaponization work group,
which is supposed to be anagency, or a committee to set up
to try to go after any of theprevious DOJ, you know,

(44:17):
political persecution cases. AndI thought my case fit right into
this. So we, you know, sent ourpaperwork up the chain, you
know, up the chain and, got someanswers back immediately and
everything else. And then it wasquiet for about two weeks.
In the meantime, I think the,prosecution, the attorney US
attorney's office in Utah foundout that we were, you know, we

(44:40):
were going that route. And sothen there was a very brief
discussion of what a plea dealmight look like, and they they
were hesitant to just let mewalk because they wanted me to
do jail time. And so they werelike, well, we can knock this

(45:01):
down to, you know, amisdemeanor, but, it'll be at
least a year in jail or not atleast, but it we want we want a
year in jail. And so we I Idon't say I contemplated it, but
we were thinking about it. Imean, it's a misdemeanor.
I get to walk away. And I'dalready spent some time in jail,
which is, you know, probablywe'll get to here in just a

(45:23):
second. But, and, you know, butwithin twenty four hours, the
weaponization work group sent usan email saying, we're not gonna
take this case. It doesn't seemto fall within our wheelhouse.
And so then we get a text or anemail from the US attorney's
office saying, hey.
Whatever we were talking aboutbefore, we're not gonna we're

(45:44):
not interested in talking aboutanymore. There's no deal on the
table. So, they they wanna putme in jail. They want to, you
know, make an example out of me.I mentioned I've I've spent
thirty four days in jail.
I've spent three and a halfmonths on an ankle monitor on
house arrest. And the first partwas I spent twelve days in jail

(46:08):
and then the summer of twenty,three on an on an ankle monitor
because I the motion to go prose. They're claiming it was a
sovereign citizen thing. Itwasn't. I was just challenging
the federal jurisdiction overme, and which some people claim
is a sovereign citizen thing.
It's I mean, it's it's just anargument that, hey. You know, it

(46:30):
goes back, and and and it waswrong. You know? I probably
shouldn't have probablyshouldn't have done that. It
just it pissed off the judge,and so he threw me in jail.
But the interesting thing is,two of us did that. My office
manager, Carrie, did that aswell. So both of us filed the
exact same motion. All we didwas change the name at the top,
and I spent twelve days in jail,and she walked.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
So it's apparent that there there's a target on your
back. Right? Like, you're andI'd seen I think it was, what
maybe it was, from someone I wasfollowing that was, you know,
kinda, you know, talking aboutthis online, that it was up to
thirty five years. Like, thatthat that was the number I had
seen that they're they're put sothey're potentially trying to
put you in prison for thirtyfive years. Is is that like, it

(47:17):
seems wild.
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Right. I mean, people that murder people, people that
rape little kids don't get that.No. You know, I have you know,
it's yeah. So that it was 15when they added the charge of
destruction to governmentproperty because they're
claiming that they could haveused that product in their
prosecution of me.
So it's me kind of, you know,trying to hide evidence. So that

(47:44):
that supposedly add another twoa potential twenty years to my,
you know, to my sentence. Sothat was in January of this
year. So in in taking away partof their case, they added
another part of their case. Sotaking away the guy who was
selling drugs, okay, and nolonger could corroborate the
story that the first agent camein, to do, they add another

(48:05):
charge, which was which is toincrease the potential, you
know, level of, you know, levelof jail time.
I don't think that if I getconvicted on fraud charges,
there's typically a chart. Myattorneys tell me that it's
based on a point system. Again,I don't know, you know, whether
there's a destruction whetherthis destruction of government

(48:27):
property case will go. It's herword against my word,
essentially. And and, you know,I never told her that.
So, I mean, I'm I like I toldyou, Seth, I didn't I didn't
know that the vaccine I neversaw the vaccine get delivered. I
never signed for any of theproduct that was delivered. It
was always my office manager tohandle you know, handling that.
She would sign for it orsomebody else in the office
would sign for it. I found outlater that she was actually just

(48:48):
taking the product home, keepingit, you know, in the
refrigerator or just taking ithome and throwing it away,
because she just didn't want tohave any of the product in her
office, to for anybody to make amistake.
And so it was, you know, reallykind of an interesting, you
know, thing for then her to turnaround and say I told her to
throw it away. I didn't evenknow where it was. I found this

(49:11):
out after we were indicted,then, hey, Carrie, what were you
doing with it? Where is it? Youknow?
Why is it not in the fridgeupstairs? You know? Whatever.
And that's that's when she toldme the story. So

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Gosh. And so so, like, what are the next steps in
this? Is there gonna be a trial?Or I mean, because I you know,
I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I'mI'm not as familiar with the
exact process that these thingsfollow.
So, like, what are the nextsteps? What's the timeline? You
know, how's how's this thisunfold?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
So we go to trial in, like, in twenty days. July 7,
we've been, you know, both bothon their part and on our part,
we've pushed this thing back.Oh, and very briefly, I spent
another twenty two days in jailin November of last year,
because I sent a text message tomy codefendant telling him that
we had court the next day. Andso we're not supposed to have

(50:07):
we're not supposed to talk aboutthe case, among the
codefendants. So I sent them atext saying, hey.
We have court tomorrow. It'd benice for you and your attorneys
to show up. And I because I knewthat had had communication
issues with their attorneys. Inother words, you know, one of my
codefendants, has probablytalked to her attorney in two
and a half years, probablytalked to him maybe four times.

(50:29):
And, you know, and so knew thatthey were having struggles and
so I didn't know if they knewabout the case, so I sent a text
message.
Because I used the app calledSignal, the insinuation was is
that I was trying to hide thetext message. I mean, lot of
people use signal. Yeah. But,anyway, and again, two of us got

(50:50):
thrown in jail, then I got theylet her go twenty four hours
later, and they or forty eighthours later, and they kept me in
jail for twenty two days.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Goodness.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Again, same same thing. You know? There's a
target on my back. They'retrying to send a message.
They're trying to you know, thatthat it's, you know, it's
they're just singling me outbecause I'm the ringleader here
supposedly of having done thiscrime against humanity of doing
what my patients wanted me todo.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Gosh.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So, yeah, so we have trial in July, and it's, you
know, it's it's around thecorner.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Man. So I so I'm a father. I've got a one year old
and a four year old, and I can'timagine what this would be like.
Especially, you know, youmentioned that you're you're
solely responsible for raisingthese two children, that they're
not adults. They're they'reobviously dependent on you for

(51:51):
probably, I'd imagine, like,much much of what makes up their
entire world is is tied to toyou and your support for them.
And so what's this been like foryou? Just mentally and
emotionally, just processingthis and and thinking that
you've gone from, you know,doing what you believe would be
the right thing, which I I agreewith you, right, to now thinking

(52:16):
you could spend potentiallyyears behind bars for this and
not see your children go throughhigh school graduation or any of
these things. I mean, you youknow, you're you're quite
composed, you've got a smile onyour face in this discussion,
which is which is great. Buthow's this how's this like,
what's the toll this has takenon you dealing with this?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, my daughter I mean, I mentioned before she
was, you know, in 2020. She was,you know, 15, 16 years old.
She's well, she's 22. She justturned 22.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
She was 17. My son was, 11 when COVID started. He
was, you know, 13, 14 when I gotindicted. So he's 17. He'll be
18 in October.
So they're a little older, but,you know, like I said, I'm still
the provider for the family.And, you know, what's it gonna

(53:09):
be like for them to not havetheir dad? So, maybe I should
leave that question to them. No.I you know, it it's been, it's
been surreal.
It there are times where, Ijust, you know, sit in my room

(53:29):
and break down and cry, and thenthere's times where, you know,
when I public facing, talking toSeth Whole House on a podcast, I
put a smile on my face. So,it's, you know, it it's been a
struggle. There's no doubt. Ihave some really good support
behind me. My my mom, you know,supports me.

(53:51):
My dad also died in '20, '19, sothat was a struggle for us. And,
you know, I've got my sister.You know, she lives in
Connecticut over you know, bywhere you are, but, you know,
support. I've got a girlfriend,fiance that, you know, that
helps us, and, and some reallyclose friends and some people

(54:14):
that I've actually met throughthis whole saga, that have, you
know, really been behind us.I've got a whole community of
people on X that, kind of aretrying to, you know, get things
to go viral and trying to dotrying to help us out.
So it's been a emotional rollercoaster. Obviously, being thrown

(54:36):
in jail for almost a month, is,you know, provided you know, it
was a huge difficulty for myfamily, for my office because
I'm still working. And it, youknow, it just it was a huge
wrench in the, you know, wrenchin the chain. And, you know, but

(54:57):
we you know, you gotta, youknow, roll the punches a little
bit. You just take what's thrownat you and figure out a way to
adapt and make it happen.
So, you know, there's been a lotof support for us online. It's
ruined me financially. I am inthe process probably having to
sell my house, and just to paymy legal fees. It's probably

(55:21):
cost me 3 quarters of a milliondollars, and the expensive
part's coming because now it'strial. So that's where, you
know, the I'm, you know, I'm notbashing them, but that's where
the attorneys make their moneyis because, you know, they're
taking care of one client everyday that they're there.
And so that's expensive becausethey can't, you know, they can't

(55:44):
do any work for any of theirother clients. And so it's a
$24.07 deal for them whilethey're in trial. And I have to
pay an attorney to be there formy business, or my business has
to pay my which is me, has topay my attorney to be there for
the length of the trial everyday. And he's not gonna I mean,

(56:05):
he contributes because he's asmart guy. K?
But he's just there. He doesn'thave to be there. I mean, he
shouldn't have to be there, buthe is. So I'm paying somebody as
a peripheral, as a thirdattorney, because I have two of
my own. I am paying a thirdperson to be there, to, you
know, to to basically do nothingfor me just because that's what

(56:27):
the system requires.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Gosh. So because I've seen this there's a lot of, big
maha voices, you know, doctors,you know, frontline doctors and
people that have been talkingabout this case. And is there is
there any hope in getting us upthe chain to say RFK junior or
directly on, you know, the deskof pan bond Pan Bondi? Is there

(56:48):
any hope that under this newadministration that, that
someone might step in and say,hey. Look.
This is this is so wrong. What'sbeing done to this person? Or
are they do you think that theysomething they wouldn't touch
because it would you know,touching this starts to get into
operation warp speed and and,you know, Trump's, you know,
kind of self admittedly thefather of the vaccine. And so

(57:10):
Right. It's very different thanyou being, say, a j six
political prisoner, right, thatwas, you know, exercising your
rights peacefully.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
And they got let out day one. Right? I mean, on
January 20, an hour after he'sinaugurated, he's pardoning
every single one of them, andthey're out of jail within
twenty four, forty eight hours.I really thought that the
weaponization work group wasgonna be able to do something
for us. You know, this is acivil rights issue.
It's a First Amendment issue.There's, you know, there there's

(57:40):
just all kinds of ways that youcould couch this. Certainly, a
political persecution, I thinkthere's no doubt that, you know,
me having spent thirty four daysin jail for what two other of my
codefendants spent zero time injail or one spent zero, the
other one spent two, it's, youknow, certainly demonstrative,
should be demonstrative thatthat's, you know, that that's

(58:01):
what they're going after is me,you know, individually even
though I, you know, supposedlydid the same crime that other
people aren't spending any timein jail for. So well, I don't
know what the different I if youlook up the definition of
persecution, that's I think Ithink my picture is sitting
right next to it. But, you know,yeah, I I had a lot of high

(58:22):
hopes for RFK.
You know, I I knew what hisstance on vaccines were, before
he joined the Trumpadministration. I think he's
been muzzled. I, you know, Iknow some people that know some
people that, you know, we're sixdegrees of separation away from,
you know, kind of being able toshake hands with, you know, any

(58:43):
person that you know or anyperson that you that's on this
earth. So it's it's justinteresting to me. You know?
So r k on his personal exprofile said that we were heroes
and that we should be let go andthat we provide a great service

(59:05):
in treating our patients. On hisofficial channel, zip, nothing.
So I think I know where hestands. I know enough people
that know him that actuallypersonally know him, that have
told me where he stands, andthat it's been a real struggle

(59:26):
with this administration interms of actually putting in
place the parts and pieces thathe really wants to put into
place, and to go in thedirection that he thinks, you
know, things should go. And I'msure Kash Patel and Dan Bongino
are finding that out too withthe FBI.
So, it's, you know, it it'shard. So I don't know that, some

(59:51):
of my one of my attorneys who,is no longer with us thought for
sure that this was gonna get,you know, that I was gonna get a
pardon and or that the case wasgonna get dismissed. And I had
high hopes for that as well. Youknow, again, I didn't defraud
anybody. I didn't stealanybody's money.

(01:00:11):
I didn't hurt anybody, and Idon't have any complaints coming
from any of my patients. Theonly people that feel wronged by
this, is a federal governmentagency, that feels that I need
to be made an example out of sothat it shows that if you don't
comply with what you tell you todo, with what we tell you to do,

(01:00:33):
then this is what's gonna happento you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
It's just absolutely crazy, because I mean, I I look
at you as a hero. Like, that'show I look at you. I I I see
there's so many doctors thatjust followed the instructions
that they were given withoutquestioning. Now there's been a
lot of doctors that that didn't.Right?
And I've gotten the, you know,the opportunity to sit down and
interview a lot of them, and andthey're amazing people. But of

(01:00:56):
all the different freedomfighting doctors that I've met,
you're the only one that'sfacing potentially decades in
prison for what you did, whichis just insane. And so in terms
of what we can do to help,obviously, this is one of the
reasons why I wanted to have youon the show. As soon as I came
across your case, I messaged youon Twitter, and and, you know,
thankfully, you're with my showand was able to set this up.

(01:01:18):
This is one of the ways that Isee that I can help is just to
get this information out to asmany people as possible.
But for people that are watchingthis, just shaking their heads,
how can people help you? How canwe get behind you, and support
you in this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
You know, prayers are always helpful. K? And we we are
we we every day, and just kindahoping that that happens.
Getting behind us, you know, andshowing up to court when it
starts on July 7 and have ahuge, you know, huge showing,

(01:01:55):
calling, talking to your, youknow, representatives and
senators and everybody else andtrying to get them to have, you
know, some input and and and tryto direct the conversation and
try to say, hey. Look.
This guy is just you know, thisis wrong. What's going on? And
and then any financial supportthrough, you know, their Gibson

(01:02:15):
Go account. And like I said,it's it's gotten expensive. It's
been a difficult process for us.
We set out, you know, five yearsago with a million dollar goal
knowing that that's what we knowis gonna cost us. I think I was
pretty much right on. And myeyesight isn't as good as it
used to be. I think we're rightat about a 130. Is that what
that's it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah. $1.01 29. And it's everyone's well, no. The
link to this, I'll put thisGibson Go link in the
description of the show. It'sgibsongo.com/fight for more.
That's the number four. So fightnumber four more, m o o r e. And
this is yes. So I I wouldencourage people, to whatever

(01:02:55):
they can whatever they can helpwith for this. Because I look at
it as, like, I feel like thatI've been at war.
I feel like that this thispodcast is a weapon of war.
Right? It's it's an informationwar, and this is one of the ways
that I'm fighting. You're on thethe front line of the same war.
Right?
What what what are we bothfighting against? We're fighting
against a tyrannical globalsystem that wants to enslave us

(01:03:16):
and wants to keep us sick andand dead. Right? And to kinda
put it bluntly. And so you'reyou're like a fallen soldier
that, you know, that that is onthe front lines.
You took you took a leg wound,and, like, if we can't come to
your aid and pull you off thethe battlefield and and help,
you know, kind of fix yourinjury, you're you're just gonna
be left to history, and and wewe can't let that happen at all.

(01:03:38):
We can't let that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. You know, the
interesting thing, you mentionedthis earlier. I'm the only one.
I'm not the only one.
There's some nursespractitioners and so on that
have been convicted. I'mactually finding this out.
There's, a couple from New Yorkthat I just heard about, a nurse
and another nurse practitioner,I think, that have, you know,
been been taken to the woodshedover this in, you know, in the

(01:04:02):
New York system. You know? But,you know, I've I've all of those
other docs that you talkedabout, not to, you know, demean
them or disparage them oranything, you know, they were
facing, you know, loss of theirboard certification, loss of
their hospital privileges.
You know, some of them mighthave been facing loss of their

(01:04:22):
license, because of that to somedegree, and that's their fight.
I've already lost my hospitalprivileges. I lost my hospital
privileges back in 2020 when Ijust refused to wear a mask when
I went in to take care ofpatients for free in the
emergency room. I used to takecall three days a month, four
days a month, something likethat as a plastic surgeon to go

(01:04:44):
in and so chew people up. Inever charged anybody for it.
Never went know, never never,you know, filed insurance. No.
Never turned them away. Neversaid I couldn't do it. Took
their stitches out in theoffice.
You know, again, did this allfor free. Okay? It was just it
was too much of a hassle for meto try to, you know, file
insurance claims, get deniedand, you know, everything else.
So I was doing that three, fourdays a month, and I've been

(01:05:05):
doing it for twenty years. So Iwas going into the emergency
room on my own dime, on my owntime, you know, to take care of
their patients, and they wererequiring me to wear a mask when
I was in there.
I got turned into it threetimes. On the third time, they
brought me into theAdministration office. I walked
in with a whole stack of papersand said, this is what masks

(01:05:27):
don't do. And they're like, wedon't care. This is our hospital
policy.
He said, well, then I don't careeither. Then I guess I'll no
longer work here. So that wasstep one. I lost my board
certification because in orderfor me to have a accredited
operating room, I have to havehospital privileges. So I no
longer had hospital privileges,so I lose my board certification

(01:05:47):
because I lost my accreditationto my surgical facility.
And so the next step is to losemy license. I can't lose my
license necessarily unless, Iget federally indicted or
federally, you know, convicted.So that's the, you know, that's
the next step. So even if I geta federal conviction and then,
you know, by some chance, I, youknow, I stay out of jail, I'm

(01:06:10):
still gonna lose my medicallicense. So it's, you know, it's
just kinda like one domino afteranother after another.
And, you know, look, Seth, I'vesaid this dozens of times. It's
not my own saying, but theprocess is the punishment in all
of this. And it's you know,let's just keep going, keep
going, keep going. Is it Davidversus Goliath? It's one guy

(01:06:32):
fighting against the federalgovernment over twenty eight
thousand dollars in fraud.
You know, if they were to cometo me and they said, hey. Look.
Why don't we just forget allthis? Why don't you pay us back
the $28, $29? We'll fine you a20% overage fee.
Give us $2,035,000 dollars, andwe'll, you know, and we'll make

(01:06:52):
it all away. You know, I wouldhave thought about that. You
know? I mean, it's just kindalike, hey. Okay.
Let's, you know, let's do it.Right? But, no, it's turned
into, you know, it's turned intothis, you know, kind of like a
battle of, like I said,persecution of a physician, do

(01:07:12):
what we tell you to do, or thisis what's gonna happen to you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Absolutely insane. Well, I appreciate you giving me
the time. I know that you'vegot, you know, limited to, you
know, kind of, amount of daysbefore the trial hits. I hope
that anybody that's watched thisinterview can share it. That's
one of the most important thingsthat we can do, and maybe this
interview reaches some ears ofof someone in the federal
government that can then, youknow, pass it along, and and
maybe we can, use that.

(01:07:39):
The one thing I can tell you isthat, you're not fighting alone.
You've got a lot of people thatare supporting you, and we'll
continue to support you. Soplease keep us updated. I'll
make sure that I'll put yourTwitter link in the description
for the show as well, so peoplecan can follow you and get
updates on what's happening.I'll make sure that the, the
Gibson Go link is also in thereas well.

(01:07:59):
And I hopefully hopefully, wecan help kinda turn the tides
with this, because if they makean example of you, out of this,
then who's next? Right? Andthat's that's the thing is that,
you that establishes precedent,and all of a sudden, it's like,
oh, great. You know? Who elsecan we can we take down?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Right. Well, then it takes away your freedom. Right?
I mean, we've already you'vealready talked about that. You
talk about that on your show allthe time.
But if we lose the ability todetermine what it is that the
government is gonna tell us orwant us to put into our own
bodies permanently, there is noreversal of a shot. You know,

(01:08:36):
this this shot is you know, thismRNA stuff that they're
injecting is a permanenthijacking of our cells. And if
they're allowed to do that andthen they get away with it and
they say, hey, we're gonnainject you, you're gonna get
one, you're gonna get a lot ofdocs out there that are just not
gonna do this anymore. And two,if they know what the

(01:08:59):
ramifications are, then they'rejust going to quit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
And so then we're stuck with, you know, what kind
of quality of medicine are wegoing to have when we have
people that are not thesmartest, you know, that are out
there that are actually, youknow, kind of the ones that end
up taking care of us.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Exactly. Exactly. Well, Doctor. Moore, my prayers
are with you,

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
and I

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
you know, let me know if there's anything I can do.
Obviously, I'm gonna try to getthis interview out to meet as
many people as possible, Butagain, you're not alone in this.
You've got a lot of peoplestanding behind you, and I just
I I I thank you for the couragethat you've had to do what was
right, and not what wasconvenient. And I hope that you
can be an example to more peoplein a positive way. Like, not the
not not the example that it'slike the one kid that gets in

(01:09:43):
trouble in school, and theteacher's making make an example
out of them.
Right? But more so that you'rethe one person that stood up
against this, you know,megalithic or monolithic system.
Right? This this massive, youknow, kinda corrupted system,
and I I thank you for that. And,again, thank you for your time
today.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
K. Well, thanks for having me on, Seth.

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