Why are Forbes 100 Billionaires RUSHING to Build Bunkers? w/ Jonathan Hollerman

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Seth Holehouse (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in
America. I'm your host, SethHolehouse. You know from
watching the show that one ofthe topics I've talked about
quite a bit is preparedness.Whether I'm talking from the
angle of what could happen,talking about potential EMP or a
collapse of the food system, orjust doing a show on practical
advice on, you know, the thefundamentals of prepping,

(00:22):
whether it's food storage orwater protection, medicine,
etcetera. But it's something Ithink is really important.
And as we are now lookingforward to what is to unfold in
2,024, we're seeing a lot ofindicators that make me
concerned. We're seeing reportsof these elites like Zuckerberg,
for instance, building thesemassive compounds. It seems to

(00:44):
be that it's not just him.There's a a collective
discussion about how more andmore people are preparing. We
even have a recent notificationthat was put out by Google
talking about these sensitiveevents that they predict to be
happening, you know, in thecoming month or so.
So there's a lot of justdifferent indicators that show
that something could behappening. Not to mention, it's

(01:06):
an election year. And I thinkthere's gonna be all kinds of
craziness related to that. Andso joining us today is a
returning guest, JonathanHollerman, who is a prolific
he's an author. He's involvedwith a lot of different, you
know, commissions and projectson helping people understand why
we need to be prepared.
But he also runs a companycalled Grid Down Consulting. And

(01:28):
part of what he does with thatis consult the elites. I mean,
it's kind of odd, but he's youknow, as you'll see in the
interview that he's got ahandful of clients that are in
the the Forbes top 100 list,where he's, you know, building
out bunkers, you know, ten,fifteen, you know, million
dollar plus massive bunkers on10,000, you know, acres,
swatches of land. And so theinformation he's got is really

(01:50):
particularly interesting becausethis is a guy that's actually
consulting these people andunderstanding what their worries
are, what they're preparing for.So this is gonna be a really
good and interesting interview.
I think it's very timely. Andone thing I'll just say is that
this isn't meant to be some sortof doomsday, it's all gonna be
really bad interview. It'slooking at the worst case
scenario. And that's that'sagain, that is the foundation of

(02:13):
what Mr. Hollerman focuses on ispreparing for the what he thinks
is one of the worst casescenarios, which is an EMP or
some sort of grid down event.
And if you prepare for that,you're kind of prepared for
everything else. So hopefully,it's a very informal interview
for you. It's also a good one toshare with your friends or
family. Say your husband is kindof on the fence. He's not really

(02:33):
into the prepping stuff you'relooking at.
This is a good interview to showbecause there's a lot of helpful
information in it and somepractical solutions. So folks,
please enjoy the interview.Jonathan, it is great to have
you back on the show. Thank youso much for joining us today.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thanks, Seth. Glad to be here.

So for people that aren't familiar with you,
I've had a couple interviewswith you so far. And actually,
you're probably one of my topone or two favorite authors. And
we'll dive into your your bookseries a little bit later in the
show. But, know, you are someonethat specializes in
preparedness, you know, EMP,what happens if disaster

(03:11):
strikes. And how about I'll I'lllet you just give a real brief
introduction into what you do,like, with Grid Down Consulting
and your books and also workingon your task force just to help
frame our discussion that, youknow, obviously, you're someone
that people might call aprepper, but you're not just
some random guy that knows howto, you know, kill a deer.
You are actually a a an expertin this field.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes. Sure. So my background is I'm formally a
military SEER instructor thatstands for survival, evasion,
resistance, escape. Probablyabout fifteen years ago, the the
threat of a grid down eventkinda came on my radar, and I
did just tons of research. And II I I'm an analytical type guy,
so I just started latching on toany kind of piece of information

(03:54):
from the two thousand four EMPcommission reports and any
government reports.
And I realized it is it is nota, sci fi conspiracy theory.
This is documented. This issomething that's likely to
happen in our future either fromEMP, solar flares, cyber attack,
or a physical attack against thegrid. So I started writing books
on the subject, which which didreally well. And then, about

(04:17):
five years ago, I was invited.
One of the members of theelectromagnetic defense task
force, which is a joint serviceswargaming operation looking at
the grid down threats for themilitary and the government as a
whole. I was invited to attendthat, and that was a huge eye
opening event to be part of.And, that led to I've been to a

(04:39):
bunch of the FBI's InfraGardmeetings. I I I was asked to be
on the board of directors inImpact America. And then, you
know, I was a member of Securethe Grid Coalition and and a
bunch of these organizations andattending these meetings.
And then two years ago, I wasasked to be the the deputy
director at the, US, Task Forceon National Homeland Security,

(05:00):
which is a congressionaladvisory board on EMP to to
congress. So I I split my timebetween that, writing books. And
I for the last twelve years, Ihave a company called Grid Down
Consulting where I work withindividuals to help them prepare
for what may come, whateverevents their family believes are
on the horizon, help them builda plan of action. And over the

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last ten years, that businesshas grown. I've done over 500,
worked with over 500 high networth clients.
And in the last couple years,it's there's so many people that
are that are starting to dothis. I I've I'm and I'm a one
man show. So, essentially, I thelast couple years, I've only
really worked with super highnet worth people, and it's kind

(05:42):
of increasing. Just in the lasttwo years, I've got four or five
guys, families, I should say, onthe the Forbes one hundred list
that I've been working with. Sothat that's, I enjoy that
because they don't have abudget.
When they when they ask you whatto do, you tell them you need to
do this or you need to buy that,and they buy five of them. Where

(06:03):
previously, I worked with, like,doctors and lawyers and, you
know, you have a budget and youhave to stay within that budget.
So, it's been it's been veryit's been very fulfilling, I I
should say, to to do what I'vebeen doing. So

It's it's interesting because I'd say that
the a large chunk of my overallknowledge about preparedness
comes from the books that you'vewritten, and then, you know, our
conversations. And so you dogreat work and you have a great
knowledge. And, you know, nowthat we're in 2024, and there's
these very strange thingshappening, like, I'm not sure if
you saw Leave the World Behind,the recent

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Mhmm.

Netflix, you know, that mysteriously was
produced by, you know, orstrangely produced by Barack and
Michelle Obama, which isinteresting.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Right.

And what they get into with that. But it's
also I'm gonna play a littlelittle video snippet here
because so Paul Joseph Watson,if people are not familiar with
him, he's a great, you know,great YouTube channel and and
influencer. He has you know, hedid a video on this recently,
and he did a compilation of themtalking about what's happening
with all of these elitesbuilding bunkers. So I'm gonna

(07:07):
play this quickly and then kindof look at a recent announcement
from Google talking about a asensitive event they predict
might be happening pretty soon.Then we can dive into some of
your work somewhere.
So let go and play this videofor folks first.

Mel K (07:19):
Well, mine's a little dark. I just feel a lot of
concern that 2024 may be theyear of a black swan event. This
is a national security eventwith high impact that's very
hard to predict.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Powerful people in the world, you know, they see
themselves as utterly incapableincapable of actually creating a
future in which everything'sgonna be okay.

Mel K (07:43):
A colossal compound on the island of Kauai complete
with a massive doomsday bunker.What is it with billionaires in
their doomsday bunkers?

But, I mean, the question is, what do they know
that we don't know? They'reprepping for some kind

Speaker 4 (07:55):
of large scale disaster.

Todd Callender (07:56):
I'm a bit worried about it, to be honest.

Mel K (07:58):
Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Meta, has started to prepare
for the doomsday.

Is there something that Mark Zuckerberg
seems to know that we don't? Howmany have seen the last of us in
the zombie apocalypse? So we'vegot this. You know, that's just
a small compilation of somevarious things. But then one
other thing I'll pull up is thatthis announcement went out from
Google recently that's strangeto say the least, where they

(08:24):
sent this out to advertisers,and they say that, dear
advertiser says in February2024, Google update the
inappropriate content policy toclarify the definition of
sensitive events.
And so what they say in there isexamples of sensitive events
include events with significantsocial, cultural, or political
impacts, such as civilemergencies, natural disasters,
public health emergencies,terrorism, and related

(08:47):
activities, conflict, or massacts of violence, which could be
a civil war, right, mass acts ofviolence. So you have Google
talking about this sensitiveevent as they're talking about
it. You have the the news cameout about Zuckerberg, a lot of
the other elites that arebuilding these, and so and these
bunkers to survive whatever itis. So I wanted to just kinda

(09:11):
hit this conversation with twoangles. One is what what could
happen in 2024?
What might these people know?You know, you you mentioned
working with some people on theForbes one hundred list. I think
these folks a lot of times getnews quicker than the average
Joe Joe does. Maybe they've gotsomeone that works in defense
contract, and it gives them atip. So I wanna see, like, what

(09:32):
you're seeing on the ground, andthen also what is happening in
terms of the the the, like, thestructures that people are
building.
So I'm gonna just just hand itover to you and see what your
thoughts are.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Sure. So I I saw that clip here a while back where she
was mentioning the 2024, a blackswan event. I I have no special
knowledge of any event comingdown the pike. I I do run-in
circles where we getinformation, I would say, maybe
a little bit sooner than the theaverage Joe on threats to the

(10:06):
country. A perfect example ofthis is the president of Taiwan.
I mean, the media is not reallyeven covering the fact that a an
an independence leaning, aseparatist leaning president was
just elected in Taiwan thisweekend, and China is not happy
about this. And a day and ahalf, two days later, we've
already sent a delegation fromAmerica over to meet him and

(10:29):
shake hands with him to the ireof China who's already starting
threats. So we have thisscenario where China may be
pushing for independence and andor I'm sorry. Taiwan may be
pushing for independence, andChina has always said they will
not allow that. That that is athat is a red line for them, and
and they will take over Taiwan.

(10:49):
They will use the military to toprevent that from happening. And
so we're we're kind of in thisreally dangerous area of whether
or not we're gonna respond andassist Taiwan. If we don't, if
we let China just go in thereand take over Taiwan, all of our
large semiconductor facilitiesare in Taiwan where we get the
the top semiconductors for allof our cars, for military

(11:13):
technology, for your toasteroven. So we're we're in this
situation where, can we allowChina to take over those
facilities and take over thatcountry? Because it would be
years and years.
I mean, technology in Americawould take a big hit because it
would be years before we couldreplace those facilities. So I'm
just talking about one event.But what we've been watching

(11:34):
here for the past year, I mean,starting with Russia going into
Ukraine is we're and and ourresponse to that, kicking them
out of Swift and the the NordStream pipeline and how we
responded. And, there's a lot ofcyber attacks that are happening
behind the scenes that a lot ofpeople are are unaware of that
are happening back and forth.People are unaware that China

(11:54):
and Russia and most of our enemynations have thoroughly in,
infiltrated our our utilitygrids and and our pipelines and
have the ability at a whim toshut these things down or
destroy them.
So these are all threats thatare that you can document. These
aren't these aren't, you know,like she mentioned a black swan

(12:15):
event, but that's some nefariousthing that could or couldn't
happen. There's nospecifications. There's no
documentation. I'm the type ofguy that's gonna latch on to
things that I can prove, that Ican document and say, hey.
This is a legitimate reality youneed to be concerned about. And
there's so many of those thatare out there. We're watching
our response to to Russia andour response to I mean, we just

(12:37):
launched attacks on on on theHouthis. Right? And, you know,
who are backed by Iran, who havethe ability to to attack us in
this mat in this manner as faras taking down our grid with an
EMP.
So we have all these we're kindof watching the allied and Axis
powers being formed, like, inthe the the late thirties. We're
kind of watching, you know,these these these countries

(13:01):
coming together, and we'rewatching Iran and Saudi Arabia,
and China. We're we're pushingRussia into the arms of China,
and and all these people areworking against, the American,
control. I I don't wanna use theword control, but America's been
the leader of the world freeworld for a long time. And our
country, we're watching thesocial fabric of our country

(13:24):
fall apart.
There is no there is no truth.There is no reality. There's up
is down. Down is up. You know?
It it's just the fabric of oursociety mainly because of the
media that are pushing us inseparate directions and dividing
us by race and religion and allthese different political

(13:45):
factions. So, to answer yourquestion is is a lot of the
people that have the high networth ability to do something
about this. Right? I'm notconvinced that it's like they
have some secret guy on the, youknow, natural security counselor
or something that's feeding theminformation. They're just
reading the same signs that weare, but they actually have the

(14:07):
financial ability to create asafe haven for their family.
And so from Grid Down Consultingand what I do professionally,
you know, we kind of sell thisas an insurance policy. Right?
People have medical insuranceand dental insurance and home
insurance and car insurance andfire insurance and flood
insurance. They have insuranceon electronics. And if you don't
have these different insurancesin your life, the the people

(14:30):
look at you and say, you'reirresponsible.
Aren't you preparing for a rainyday? How do you know you're not
gonna get cancer? How do youknow your house isn't gonna burn
down? So the high net worthpeople are just seeing what's
coming in the future, andthey're saying, yeah. I'm gonna
build a tucked away location ona couple thousand acres in this
rural area and or on thisisland.
And, you know, when whenwhatever it may come, whether

(14:52):
it's another pandemic with aforty percent death rate,
whether it's a grid downscenario in this country or
whatever the case may be, acivil war, they've got a place
to kinda ride out the storm.

And so with the with the folks that you're
working with, some of thesepeople, and I know that you
secrecy is probably reallyimportant with this, but you can
humor us a little bit. What whatwould you say is one of the most
impressive projects you'reyou're working on? And you can
give whatever details you wantto or, you know, make make a few
little bits about it up if youneed to, you know, protect, you
know, security.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah. Obviously, I don't discuss my individual
clients, and I don't discuss,specific locations. But I've got
multiple clients with that areworking on between two and four
thousand acres, very largebudgets. I'm talking the
neighborhood 20 to $40,000,000,budgets. And, you've got a
client with a private island inThe Bahamas.

(15:46):
So there there are clients thatthat have the ability to kinda
pull out all the stops and theysay, you know, they fly me out
and they have me go throughtheir property and I design a a
a structure that fits with theiraesthetics that also has high
security features. One of thethe the differences between me

(16:07):
and some of the it's only a ahandful of guys that kind of do
what I do, not to the level orto the amount that I that I've
done it, but they have they theyspecialize more in building
fortresses, you know, razor wireand alligator moats and things
of this nature. The problem isis anytime you do that, it you
can't you just can't hide it.Everybody knows exactly what

(16:28):
you're doing. And you mentioned,in the news recently, there's
some high net worth guys thathave been kind of revealed for
the the plans and the the thethings that they're they're
building and they're working on.
And I do things differently. Ibelieve in hiding in plain sight
and I believe in, so when Idesign a facility, we will build

(16:53):
the facility with threedifferent sets of plans that
one, the the the contractorssee, one the building inspector
sees, and one the homeownersees. And none of the secret
aspects of this property are onany other the plans other than
the one the homeowner sees. Andonce that location is finished
being built, we lock the gate,and it's large property, so it's

(17:15):
not like you can just wanderback on there. We lock the front
grate, and we bring in one of mycontractors from out of state.
Again, that's important becausea lot of people that do this,
they build, they use localcontractors, and local
contractors talk at the localbar about the the crazy things
they're doing up on the hill forthat rich guy they're working
for. Right? So we're bringingout a state contractor to to cut
in the tunnel networks, put inthe bunkers, and all the high

(17:37):
security features of thelocation. But if you were a
FedEx guy driving onto theproperty to deliver a package,
nothing's gonna be out of sort.Nothing's gonna look like
anything different than a, youknow, a a large property or
something along that that lines.
Like I said, there's noalligator moats. There's no
razor wire or berms or steelshutters or things of that
nature. That doesn't meanthere's a not a ton of security

(17:58):
features on that property. Sokind of my philosophy is live to
fight another day. Right?
Because a lot of these guys,these super high net worth guys,
they'll have a security team ofthree or four or five guys. But
that also gets interestingbecause these three or four or
five guys have families. Right?They're not gonna leave their

(18:20):
families behind. So now you haveyou're bringing in three or four
or five other families.
And if you try and run thatlocation with an iron fist or if
you try and do anythingnefarious, those three or four
or five guys, you know, thosetier one guys, they're gonna put
you in a ditch somewhere, andthey're gonna and that they and

(18:40):
their families are gonna livethere. Right? So it's a it's a
balancing act. There's a lot ofthings that go into what I do.
There's a lot of boxes that needto be checked.
There's a lot of things that wehave to to look at. Extraction
plans for high net worth guys.One of the big failings for a
lot of these guys, these onesthat are available in the press
because they get buildingpermits and they're doing

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projects that are so large, theyjust can't hide them from the
the building inspectors. And sothey have to file building
plans, which are open to FOIArequests, right, that people are
able to get access to. And whenthat big project makes it to the
media, you can guarantee amonth, two months into a long
term event when people arestarving to death, you're gonna

(19:23):
have an entire town's worth ofpeople coming to that location.
Your four or five security guys,yeah, they may win the first
handful of battles, but soonenough, I I at some point,
they're gonna be overwhelmed.There's no place that's a %
defensible. So these are thingsthat, I really it it's it's far
better for me to get involved inthe process with these high net

(19:44):
worth guys before they startbilling because when I come in
to analyze existing, like, yeah,I got a client with 10,000 acres
in Wyoming, and, he built thisstructure. It's got bulletproof
window. I mean, all kinds ofcrazy stuff that I know people
are talking about in the nearbycity.
Right? I just there's there's noway people are talking about the
things that are happeninghappening on this property. When

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I come in there, it's kinda likeyour cover's already blown.
Right? So, I mean, things I dowith other high net worth guys
is, you know, when when you buytwo or 7,000, five thousand
acres somewhere, people arecurious who's buying this
$1,015,000,000 dollar property.
So a lot of people wanna talk.And my philosophy is, you know,

(20:29):
a lot of times we'll build awebsite for that property with a
fake business and, you know,feed the people something to
talk about that they can graph.That way there's not rumors
flying around because then therumors kinda take take on wings.
So there's a there's a lot ofstuff that goes into this, and I
it's it's a lot I I I reallyprefer getting in at the early

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part of the process. The problemwe're running into now is we've
got all these scenarios thatcould happen in the near term,
and it takes years to kindabuild out some of these
locations.
So we're we're kind of runningon fumes here. We're kind of
running on borrowed time.

Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So
I'm sure you've heard a lot ofpeople, myself included, talking
about the importance of buyingprecious metals, gold and
silver. But what's really behindthat? Is it just a thing of,
hey.
Buy this gold. Buy this silver.Right? Or is there something
deeper that we should be lookingat? So I recently came across
some figures about house prices.

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So in 1930, the average familyhome was approximately $4,000.
Fast forward to 02/2023, theaverage family home is just over
$400,000. So you have to askyourself, why is that? Is it
because things have just gottenmore expensive? No.
It's actually because the dollarhas lost 99% of its value since
1930. Right? When people talkabout the collapse of the dollar

(21:49):
or inflation, this is what itmeans. Now let's take a look at
gold. So in 1930, if you wantedto purchase your home in gold,
it would take approximately 200gold coins.
So 200 gold coins would purchasethe average family home in 1930,
about $4,000. Now if you insteadof buying a home with that gold

(22:10):
or cash, you set those aside. Ifyou set aside $4,000 in cash in
1930, it would be worth $4,000today. What can you buy with
$4,000? Can you buy a familyhome?
No. You can't even buy a crappyused car. But if you set aside
$4,000 worth of gold coins in1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1

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ounce coins, that would be worthapproximately $400,000 today.
And this is the key lesson aboutprecious metals. It's not about
getting rich.
It's about putting your moneyinto an asset that protects you
against inflation and againstthe destruction of the currency,
which is what happens to allfiat currencies, especially now

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we're in the end days of thedollar. And so that's why it's
important, maybe not all of yourmoney, but a portion of your
money, a portion of what youhave, I highly recommend putting
it into precious metals of goldand silver, because what it's
doing is it's protecting you.This is an asset that has stood
the test of time, not just stoodthe test of time since the

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nineteen thirties. We're talkingabout the rise and fall of
civilizations. Gold was used tobuy houses back in ancient Rome.
It's still around. It's an assetthat will forever have its
value. So folks, if you want todo this and you need someone you
can trust, there's no person Ican recommend more than doctor
Kirk Elliott. He's a very goodfriend of mine. He's a strong
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(23:36):
their savings and what you'veworked for against the
destruction of the dollar, notto mention also protecting it
against the dangers of a centralbank digital currencies.
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(720) 605-3900. Again, that'sgoldwithseth.com or (720)

(23:57):
605-3900. Both those places willallow you to set up a quick
appointment where you can talkto a wealth advisor that will
help get you started on thispath. Again, goldwithseth.com 7
2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero. And withthe clients that you're seeing
now and looking at the overalltrend, even this whole, you

(24:19):
know, leave the world behindfilm, which it's funny because I
think it's a great film to showa friend that like thinks you're
just a doomsday prepper.
That's maybe some liberal that'ssaying, yeah, you're too wacky.
And, you know, we don't needguns and whatever, you know,
they're kind of biting, youknow, buying into and, you know,
maybe they're living in in a ina blue city right in the middle

(24:39):
of it. That film does a greatjob of saying, look, like, it
really presents that scenario,like, think very accurately of
what could happen. And it itmakes you want to be Kevin
Bacon. Like, it makes you wantto be the guy that's prepared,
the guy that has antibiotics,knows how to treat radiation
poisoning, you know, thatprobably has all those things.

(25:01):
And so but it just it just seemslike this is becoming much more
of the of the collectiveconsciousness now. And so on
your end, you've been doing thisfor quite some time. What are
you seeing change? Are youseeing more and more people
being aware of this? Are youseeing an uptick in book sales,
an uptick in people reaching outto you?

(25:21):
Obviously, you're trying to growyour business. You're doing
things to have growth. But areyou seeing that there's actually
a trend of more people thinking,you know, I need to really think
about my my my safety ifsomething goes wrong?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
A %. I mean, there is, I would just say in the last
year, there's probably just 50%growth. And it's just it's not
one specific thing that you canhang your hat on and say it's
this reason why everybody'sreally pushing into this. But to
be honest, back when Obama firstbecame president, a lot of
people really freaked out, andthere was a huge climb in long

(25:57):
term food sales and things likethat. So it is cyclical.
Right? So I I don't wanna saythat this is the time. I'm not a
prophet. You know? I don't havesome special knowledge that that
isn't out there, but there isreal concern about the future of
our country.
And, again, looking at China andTaiwan, I I strongly, strongly
believe that if we get closer toNovember and it looks like

(26:22):
Trump's gonna win, I I firmlybelieve that China will go after
Taiwan with the currentadministration in office than
they will if Trump gets inthere. Right? There's just
they'd rather face off againstwho's in there who's in office
now than who's who's not. But tokinda go back to your question

(26:42):
on that movie, there were somepros and cons to the movie. I
mean, I saw it.
Obviously, it's it's Hollywood'stake. It's Barack Obama and his,
wife's take on the the end ofcivilization type event. And
they did pull out some tricksand and and talked about how an
enemy may attack this countryand the disinformation and

(27:05):
shutting down the communicationsnetwork. There was a bunch of
glaring just regular errors inthe sense of, like, I I think at
one point, didn't the, the powerfacility catch on fire or
something? But they hadelectricity throughout the whole
thing because that would be thefirst thing an enemy takes out,
would be electricity becauseevery aspect of human life today
revolves around electricity.

(27:26):
That would be the the very firstthing. It's in every enemy
nation's war doctrine that firststrike doctrine is taking out
the electric routes, which itshowed, but they just everybody
seemed to have power. The, Ithink Kevin Bacon's initial
speech when they pull up on hisproperty, I think it's
fantastic. I think it'sabsolutely true, and that's how
people would absolutely respond,in that scenario. So this idea,

(27:49):
well, my my buddy Bob at work isa is a prepper.
I'm gonna go to his house.That's not gonna go well for you
if you if you're planning ondoing that. You know? If you're
not taking it serious and youthink you're just gonna go to
another location. But thatbrings up a whole another aspect
of this.
A real person that was seriousabout what they're doing knows

(28:10):
the first rule of preparednessis you don't talk about it. The
fact that Kevin Bacon, everybodyin town knows that he's a
prepper, right, and showing upat his house, that's bad for
him. Right? So he would not havebeen talking about it. It would
not have been obvious.
And then the lie and then thesilly thing was, you know, he
tells them about this bunkerthat he helped build. He ain't

(28:31):
telling them about that bunker.He's gonna go there and get that
stuff for himself and his ownfamily. Right? He's not gonna
like, hey.
There's a whole bunch of freefood in, underground bunker down
the road here. He he wouldn'thave told them about that.
Right? But then with anyHollywood movie on this subject,
they always throw in weirdstuff. Like, what the heck is up
with the deer?
Right? Running around, staringat people. You know what I mean?

So With the flamingos.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's like their pool. Yeah. They're like, they're
projecting. They're projecting.And, you know, I've heard a lot
of people comment about this.
You know, they're prepping usfor what's coming or this or
that. They're projecting to adegree. But at the same time,
they always they always make dosomething weird. Right? So I
don't know.

(29:16):
So I think a better thing toshow people would be like
American blackout. That'sprobably a 10 old kind of
docudrama that if it I I thinkit was Discovery Channel. Maybe
it was History Channel. One ofthem put out, which was on a
long term or was on a grid downevent and how fast society will
fall apart.

Oh, so it's called And it's kinda American
Blackout?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
American blackout. I think you can watch it on
YouTube at this point becauseit's it's pretty old. And they
do a really good job aboutshowing how fast society falls
apart when you lose the electricgrid and how fast people get in
desperate. Now, obviously, it'sa mainstream production company.
So the prepper character in thatdocudrama, well, you know, he's

(29:56):
rocking a flat top.
He's wearing BDU pants. Right? Imean, it's just yeah. It's just
kind of so they they paint theprepper as usual as, like, some
crazy guy. But the end of theend of the show so they do a
really good job.
But at the very end of the show,what you see is, like, the
standoff happening with thisprepper guy, and I'm giving

(30:17):
really I I guess I am giving alittle bit of spoiler here, but,
and there's this big standoff,and then all of a sudden, the
lights come back on. Nobodyexplains how or why, but the
lights just come back on. Andthen everybody just kinda walks
away and life goes back tonormal. The same thing with the
movie Contagion. If you rememberyears ago, I think it was, Matt
Damon was in that.

(30:38):
So, like, society falls, falls,falls, falls, falls apart. You
know, he's watching his neighborget killed over some food or
this or that, people breaking inand things of that nature. Then
all of a sudden, the thegovernment that's all you know,
so people are starting to starveto death and riot and they're
looting and going crazy. And thegovernment comes out on the news
and says, oh, we we got avaccine. It's gonna be six

(31:00):
months.
You still have to feed peoplefor six months. You still have
to keep everything from fallingapart for six months. And then
everybody starts dancing, andthey're having problems. And,
you know, everybody goes back todriving to Starbucks for their
their morning coffee. That'sjust not how it's going to be.
When society falls apart to thatlevel, it's just not gonna
you're not just gonna kick it,you know, back on.

Exactly. Well, it's funny because even with
these stereotypes of preppers,it's like they say they're these
bearded guys in flannels. Andlike, I don't know. Looking at
you and I, I'm not sure wherethat stereotype even comes from.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
We're both guilty as charged, I guess.

Exactly. So, you know, I always like to, you
know, have a good part of thesetypes of discussions be just
practical knowledge and knowhow. And and and one thing I
will say, so I'll pull up yourwebsite. And I'll I'll put the
link in the description, but Ihighly recommend people check
out this website, Grid DownConsulting. There's a few things

(31:56):
on here.
So if you go up to the booksbutton on top, these are your
books. I'll give my quick kindof thoughts, and then I'll let
you jump in as well. But thethis this book right here,
Survival Theory PreparednessGuide. This was the first book
that I found, which was reallyis a preparedness guide.
Extremely, extremely practical.

(32:16):
It's not some high level thingwhere it's like, only if you can
build a million dollar bunker,are you okay? Like, the the
fundamental principles are justexceptional. It should be, you
know, people's reading once ayear. But then you also have
this your EMP Equipping ModernPatriots series, which I I
thoroughly enjoyed this. The andthis actually I think I learned
more from this series, which isnow what is it?

(32:39):
Four or is it five part seriesnow?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's three part, and there's a companion novel that I
I co authored that one rightthere alone, with a female
author. So it's a it's adifferent character, from the
from my series, and it's writtenfrom a female's point of view.
So it kinda paints a picturewhat would happen to a you know,
from from a female perspectivein that environment.

Okay. And so these are books that are just
really, really entertaining.They're they're gripping, and
you learn so much. And thenyou've got survival theory too.
So if someone's just startingand they wanna get the the the
initial download of informationfrom you, what would you
recommend?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
So, yeah, there's a couple books I recommend.
Obviously, my book survivalTheory, I would start there in
Survival Theory two. So SurvivalTheory two is kind of the, I
would say, the culmination of mylife's work because the first
thirty or 40% of that bookincludes a report that I wrote,
on the psychology and physiologyof starvation and human

(33:41):
desperation and a prolongedbreakdown event. And I wrote
that report for the the the USmilitary, the for officer
training, and it to to kindaexplain to the military of what
they can expect when societykinda falls apart and how peep
and how their soldiers and theiremergency personnel are gonna
react. So that report thatyou're pulling up there now, so,

(34:02):
obviously, in survival theorytoo, it's just the text of the
document, and most of thedocument, not all of it.
I want to wake American peopleup. And so just like survival
theory one, survival theory two,because I I I'm only one guy and
I only have time to work with somany clients, those were that
was kind of my way of payingback the average Joe, the blue
collar worker that, like yousaid, can't afford a 2 or

(34:24):
$5,000,000 survival retreatlocation to fall back to. So
there's a lot of, there's a lotof information in there for for
somebody that's on a budget toto to kind of prepare. And so
this report that you have upthere on the screen now, grid
down destination, that I'mgiving that away for free in
PDF. So I want that to be sharedwith as many people as possible

(34:46):
because there is a big glaringhole in the preparedness
community, and that is a a vastmisunderstanding.
It's it's normalcy bias of howpeople are gonna act and react
in the aftermath of a long termevent. And, so, I mean, I
there's probably 30 pages onhistorical data in the the
Holomador, the Chinese famine,the Bengal famine. So that if I

(35:09):
could pick one thing, if someonewould say, hey. What's one
thing? If it was one thing, Iwould say get that report.
It's a 22 pages. It's not gonnaoffer any advice for you, but it
is a you have to understand whatyou're preparing for in order to
prepare. So you have tounderstand the mindset of other
people that are gonna be aroundyou or even part of your group

(35:29):
in this environment. And youhave to understand how people
are gonna react when they startgoing hungry. Because most of
the preparedness, quote unquote,experts on YouTube, they they
grew up in the richest countryin the world.
They they've never they don'tunderstand the psychology and
the physiology of whatstarvation does to a person or
to a community or to a town. Sothat's so critical to understand

(35:49):
beforehand. And you can downloadthat on free on my website. And
I I'll plug a couple otherbooks. Incredibly important
books to to buy would be SelkowBegovic, The Dark Secrets of
SHTF Survival.
This is a guy that survivedsomewhat of a grid down event in
modern society, during, theBosnia conflict. His town was

(36:10):
surrounded. They for a year,they had the electricity cut
off. They they prevented foodand supplies from entering that
town. And his firsthand accountsof how fast that town fell apart
and neighbor killing neighborover scraps of food, warlords
taking over street by street.
Yeah. That's a book there. I Ithat book is incredibly
important for people to read. Ifyou're looking for fiction aside

(36:33):
from my books, the book OneSecond After, which is a very
common book on this subject, isa big wake up call. That's a New
York Times bestselling authorthat that wrote that book.
So those would be some somebooks I remember. You know what?
I'll throw in two more. PhilipZubardo, the the Lucifer Effect.
He's a world renownedpsychology.
It's basically how good peopleturn evil. And he he explains

(36:55):
how the average Joe can go frombeing a a regular farm boy and
then go to Vietnam and, youknow, commit horrible atrocities
and come home. It talks abouthow SS troops, you know, in in
some of these camps were able toto murder and kill tons and tons
of people. And then you findthem ten years later, and
they're working a nine to five.They're a family man with five
kids, and they're livingnormally.

(37:16):
So this idea that mankind isgenerally good and peaceable and
we're all gonna hold hands, singKumbaya, and just ride out
whatever storm may come becausethat's what the American people
have always done. That's justnot true. All these events that
have happened from Katrina toHurricane Sandy and these
there's always other areas ofthe country that came to their

(37:36):
aid, and there's always anelectric grid outside of those
areas at least to to bring infood and supplies and the the
ingenuity and the the resolve ofthe American people to to race
to the aid of other Americans inin need. Some of these
scenarios, you're you're notgonna have that ability. You're
gonna be on your own.
The the American government, theUnited States military, is 99%

(37:58):
reliant on the civilian electricgrid. They've warned congress
twenty years ago that if theylose the civilian electric grid,
the United States military willbe completely unable to respond.
They've got forty eight hours ofbackup diesel. They've got three
days of food on the averagebase. They rely on interstate
trucking and the electric gridjust like everybody else.
So these movies in Hollywoodwhere there's always the
military running around orbringing in box trucks full of

(38:20):
food, never gonna happen. It'sjust never gonna happen. So
having some under I I guess mypoint is is the most important
thing, Seth, for the Americanpeople to do is gain knowledge
about what the after effects ofa long term event or some big
catastrophic event, seriouspandemic, some of what that

(38:40):
looks like. Because people'sidea today is all based on
Hollywood and the Walking Deadand the like the movie you just
discussed where people were justlike, oh, hey. You know, how's
it going?
Hey. You're a prepper. Let mehave some food. It's just not
it's not gonna be that way. Andpeople need to realize before
they before they start planning,before they start running out

(39:01):
buying food plans and thingslike this, they need to have a
better plan of action and thinkthrough their kind of
preparedness plan of actionbefore they start buying stuff.

It's such a good point. And before I I respond to
that, I just wanna show peopleon your website,
griddownconsulting.com, and I'llput these links in the
description. Under the researchbutton up there, you hover over
it. On the very bottom down, itsays grid down report. And
that's how you get to this pageright here, and then you you
click on that, and it opens upthe PDF.
So that's free for everybody.Great place to start. And

(39:34):
something I wanted to share withyou in terms of what you just
said about the mindset. Folks,have a quick message for you.
Look, the twenty twenty fourelection is do or die for the
globalist and communists thathad infiltrated our country and
are currently running it.
And they either have to win orthey're going to destroy America
so nothing is left either way.And if you're the person that's

(39:54):
watching this show and followingthis information, unfortunately,
you have the weight on yourshoulders of making sure that
your family is prepared,especially as we head in to this
next year in this next electioncycle because unfortunately, I
think it's gonna get rough. Andone of the ways I know they're
going to target us is throughour food supply. You can see all
the food factories burned down,you can see the warnings of

(40:15):
coming famines and foodshortages and everything like
that. And food is one of thenumber one ways totalitarian
regimes have always used tocontrol the populations destroy
the food supply.
So if you don't have at leasttwo, three, four, five, six
months worth of stored food, Ihighly recommend you take that
very seriously. Because look, asI mentioned, if you're the

(40:35):
person that's watching this,you're the person that carries
the burden of making sure yourfamily is prepared. I would
recommend at least six months,if not a year of storable food.
So if things go haywire, whetherit's grid down or terrorist
attack from what's coming acrossthe border, that your family can
safely stay in place and you canfeed your family. So folks
today, go to heavensharvest.comand make sure you get your

(40:57):
storable food that'll last forup to twenty five years.
Just in case things go south,you know that you have what's
gonna take to feed your family,which is so so critical for us
to get through this next stageof history. So go to
heavensharvest.com today, orderyour food that lasts up to
twenty five years and use promocode Seth to save 15% on your
entire order. Again, that'sheavensharvest.com and use promo

(41:21):
code Seth, s e t h, to save 15%on your entire order. I would
definitely consider myself aprepper. I've, you know, I've
done a lot of preparations.
People who watch the show knowthat I'm a prepper now. I'm not
someone that has a, you know,5,000 acre off grid location and
all that. I'm I'm a middle classprepper. Right? So I'm doing

(41:41):
what I can within my means.
But I was thinking about that,you know, one day, it's like,
why am I like that? Like, why amI someone that is thinking,
okay, how many years worth offood do I have? How much ammo do
I have? Do I have antibiotics?Or why am I someone that has put
so much time and effort andmoney into this versus the
average person.
And it's not necessarily becauseI'm some survivalist, and I hope

(42:03):
the world goes to to to, youknow, to hell in a handbasket so
I can live out my days in thewoods. And I'm not that kind of
guy. Actually, I I like my life.I like my a lot of modern
comforts. But I'm like thatbecause I've just researched how
quickly societies can fall.
Like, I didn't go, you know,okay, how do I become a prepper?

(42:23):
Was actually through readingbooks like yours or other
information and seeing howquickly society can actually
fall and how we we really areliving on a knife's edge that
that holds it holds the balanceof our world in order. Right
now, there's so many differentcompeting parties trying
everything to knock our worldoff that knife's edge into

(42:44):
chaos. And so that's it for meis just first starting and
learning, reading about what'shappened before in communist
China, you know, even the bookyou mentioned about the the guy
in in Bosnia. I think it wasBosnia.
Right? When when when Bosniacollapsed. And, like, you're
reading books like that thathave shown me, it's like, oh,
it's like so someone might say,well, why why do you Seth, why

(43:06):
do you need 200 BIC lighters?It's like, well, go read the
book about the guy in Bosniawhere it's like, if you're
someone that has a lighter,you're like a kingpin on your
street. It's like, you know, itjust helps make sense.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
It gets back to the little things. Right? Yeah.

It does.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You you you use the term normal. Right? Preppers are
the preppers in today's modernsociety are considered weird.
You know? You're what's wrongwith you?
You know? Just go down toWalmart and buy buy food when
you need it. And so I would makethe case for six thousand years
of modern human history, everysociety, everywhere, all towns,

(43:44):
all people were preppers in thesense of they all had food to
get them through the winter.They knew how to root cellar.
They knew what kind of plantsthey could eat in the forest.
They knew that you had to boilwater before you drink it or
you're gonna die potentiallydie. They they they have life
skills that we don't dreamabout, and they always thought
forward. They always thoughtahead. Today, with just a dying

(44:07):
delivery system, again, it's a %reliant on electric grid from
the from the grocery store whereyou buy the food, the computer
when you you buy it, sends asignal to the distribution
facility. Distribution or thisfacility sends more stuff, and
then the signal goes from thedistribution center to the
canning facility, from thecanning facility to the farm in
Mexico.

(44:28):
All these there's just trillionsof signals flying around the
world at any given point in timethat keep this society sane and
normal, that keep us fed. Youtake away those signals, those
electronic signals, and that'swhere the future warfare is
gonna be fought in theelectromagnetic spectrum with
cyberattacks and E and Ps,things of this nature. You take

(44:51):
that away, everything stopswhere it is, and nobody has life
skills from a hundred years ago.So, like, the idea of having
enough food in your house forfor even a couple months is,
like, insane to people. But Iwould make the I would make the
the the conjecture that you'rethe one that's insane because
you're just you're putting yourfaith and trust in the United

(45:11):
States government.
Oh, they're they're taking careof this, and, you know, this
will never happen. I got I gotnews for you. We've been working
in the this this industry tryingto convince the American
government to harden electricgrid for twenty years, and
they're not doing it. They'rejust not doing it. We can get
into the reasons why on anotherpodcast and all the intricacies
and all the fights and all thebills that we've had defeated by

(45:33):
the electric utility industry.
But we're not. We're the the thethey're kicking the can, and
it's not political. It's fiveadministrations in a row now
that have failed to take thesafety and security of the
American populace, and itwouldn't even be that expensive.
It'd be less than what we payPakistan each year. But they
they're just not doing it.
They're not hardening our grid.They're not making our grid

(45:55):
safe, from these types ofevents. And it it's just so
frustrating because it's soobvious to the military leaders,
to those in government. It'sit's so obvious that this is
what's coming for this country,and no one's talking about it,
and no one's doing anythingabout it. So I don't know.

(46:17):
I it's it's time to buy beansand bullets, people, if you're
getting nothing else from thisconversation. You know? Take
this stuff seriously. Don't takemy word for it. Don't take
Seth's word for it.
Go and read some of these books.Read the 02/2004, '2 thousand
'8, '2 thousand '17 E and PCommission reports on this,
bipartisan reports, to congresson this threat. I mean, they

(46:39):
tell con they told congress in02/2004, if we lose the civilian
electric grid, which is highly,you know, which is highly likely
in World War three, if we losethe civilian electric grid,
ninety percent of the Americanpopulation will die within the
first year. Disease, societalarrests, violence. If and, you
know, so, I mean, we still talkabout nine eleven.

(47:01):
We still talk about PearlHarbor. You know, you're talking
about three or 4,000 Americansdying, which are terrible,
horrific tragedies. We're notgonna be counting our dead in
the thousands or 10,000 or evenhundreds of thousands. We're
gonna be counting them in thethe millions of tens of
millions, probably the hundredsof millions of Americans dying
from event like this. Andeveryone's putting their head in
the sand and just kicking thecan down the road.

(47:23):
So we'll deal with it later.We're gonna study this problem
some more. At the E and P taskforce, that I'm a part of and
the Secure the Grid Coalitionand Resilient Societies under
Tom Popick, these are allplaces. We we have solutions to
harden the grid. We have youknow, we can provide solutions
for states where we're workingwith, you know, the the states.

(47:43):
Some of the states are seeingthat the federal government's
not doing. So we're making someheadway in in certain states.
But, you know, as for Americanpeople so let me let me if you
would, Seth, let me throw outone more plug. Everybody that's
listening to this, I highlyrecommend. There's a newer
documentary out called Grid DownPower Up.
It's GridDownPowerUp.com, andand that's by David Theiss, and

(48:06):
it's narrated by, oh, man, I'mjust having a brain malfunction.
Dennis Quaid. Dennis Quaid's thenarrator, and I highly, highly
recommend. It's a one hourdocumentary. Check that out.
David Theiss, the director,doing a great work. In fact, I'm
gonna be in DC, with with himand Dennis Quaid here on on

(48:26):
Tuesday. There's a new trailerout on YouTube for this. It's a
seven minute trailer. You can goand check that out.
But this is this is a reallygood documentary to share with
your friends to show theinsanity of what not protecting
the grid looks like. Right? Andthe the reasons why it hasn't
been protected and the fact thatwe do have solutions to do it.
It's just not being done. So I'dhighly recommend everybody check

(48:47):
out that documentary that, justcame out here recently.
I think it's coming out onAmazon and YouTube here in the
the coming months. But, for now,you can you can check it out
online there.

Perfect. And, you know, you mentioned one
second after, which I'll pullthat up again. And and that was
this was it's a whole seriessimilar to, you know, to your
series. This was by WilliamForsh Forsh Forshchen.
Forshchen.
This was also a pivotal book forme. I've I've actually listened
to or read read or listened tothe series multiple times. And

(49:19):
for me, it was I put it onaudiobook while I was out on my
tractor. So I'm out there, youknow, digging or building garden
beds, and I've got this onlistening to it, but great book.
This, you know, like some ofthese other books, this right
here will turn you into aprepper, not in a bad way, just
because it makes you aware ofjust how vulnerable things are.
And so getting into morepractical things, and I from

(49:42):
let's just say that there'ssomeone that's watching this,
and they live in suburbiaAmerica. Say they're on a
quarter acre in a 1980s bileveland they're they're concerned.
And they've done nothing toprepare. Right? They're they're
just now starting into this.
Aside from, I'd say starting offis like downloading that free
PDF on your website, and justreading more about that. If

(50:05):
someone came to you and say youonly had five minutes to talk to
them, and you're you're tryingto just give them some quick,
you know, some quick pointersthat you think could really help
save them in the future, whetherit's food supply, whatever it
is, what what's that what'sthat, you know, that five minute
spiel look like to somebody thathas done nothing to to prepare?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
That that that is really a difficult thing because
it flies in the face of whateverybody wants to hear. So
there's a lot of prepperchannels online that'll tickle
people's ears. Right? Andthey'll say, oh, you know, you
live in sub some suburban areaof Atlanta, like you mentioned,
on a quarter acre and a cul desac. And, here's some here's a

(50:48):
10 step program to prepare forthe apocalypse.
Right? Do this. Put a garden inyour backyard. Put a six foot
privacy fence so no one willknow you're gardening in your
neighborhood. And do this andthrow trash out front so it
looks like the place is a bitthey're gonna give you all these
kind of easy things for you tolatch onto, and then you're

(51:08):
gonna feel really confident,that you're you're safe and
protected because you followthis 10 step program.
And what I will tell you out ofthe gate is that if you are on
no budget, or a very tightbudget, you're the average
American in this country. Let mebe honest with you. If a long
term grid down event happens inthis country, it's gonna be very

(51:29):
difficult for you to make itthrough. And the solution is not
staying in your suburbanneighborhood, your your row
house downtown, and writingthings out and seeing things how
things are gonna go. Read thefirst chapter of Sokol
Bagovich's book where book wherehe's like, if I could go back
and do anything different, Iwould have got out immediately
out of the city while I stillcould.
But he was like, I was young andI was dumb and I just wanted to

(51:52):
you know, it's history and Iwanted to stay here. And, you
know, two chapters later, he'seating, you know, maggoty
sandwich that he finds in arefrigerator. Right? And, you
know, they're drinking water outof rain barrels, everyone has
diarrhea. So education is soimportant.
Understanding what's coming tobuild your plan of action. I say

(52:13):
it over and over and over againbecause that's the thing that
most of these guys online getwrong. The second thing is they
don't understand the long termramifications or even the
threats of an EMP scenario.Again, I'm in this industry. I
see the reports.
We're discussing thisconstantly. This is not some
this is not some tinfoil hatthing that, you know, you put it

(52:35):
up there on the shelf toconsider down the road. This is
something that is coming, forthis country. It will happen in
our lifetime. I firmly believethat.
So, a lot of people that the thethe word prepper, the word
preparedness covers such a largegambit of people. There's people
in in Florida that are preparingfor hurricanes. That's just if
you live in Florida, you'regonna hit be hit by a hurricane

(52:57):
at some point. You should have acase of water and some MREs in
your basement. That's justcommon sense.
That's not really what I kindafocus on the longer term events.
So separating who am I listeningto and what's their perspective,
if they're just giving you shortterm advice, almost all that
short term advice is gonna tellyou to stay put, stay in your

(53:19):
safety zone, your house, and doeverything in your home and
prepare everything right there.And that's great. I don't
disagree with that advice fortalking about a one week or two
week event, a snowstorm or apower outage or or something
like that, great. But if we'retalking a long term event that
collapses society, the if youget nothing else, your chance of

(53:42):
surviving a long term event within a suburban neighborhood of a
big city or even in a a smalltown with five or 10,000 people,
that's five or 10,000 starving,desperate madmen, I'm gonna be
blunt, a month or two into thisevent.
You're outnumbered 5,000 to one.You're the only guy in the town

(54:04):
with a generator with withenough power to you're the only
one with lights on. You're theonly one not getting skinny.
People are gonna figure this outreally fast. The idea that just
because you bought this one yearfood plan from Wise and you have
it in your basement, you paidfor it so it's yours and you get
to keep it, that's just notgonna work when society and the
rules of engagement basicallychange.

(54:26):
And that's why I talk aboutnormalcy bias. A lot of people
make their plans into the futurewith the idea of in the back of
their mind, you know, things aregonna people are gonna still
talk normal. We're still gonnahave normal conversations. We're
we're gonna make handshakeagreements with a neighbor, and
they're gonna do this, and we'regonna do that. If something
happens, you know, we'll call911.
Well, none of that stuff's gonnafunction. None of none of those

(54:48):
things, it's gonna go back tothe com those common denominator
essentially where the guy withthe biggest stick or the biggest
gun and the the most know howand the one willing to check his
soul at the gate, either that'swilling to do horrific things is
gonna be the one that's eatingyour food, essentially. Right?
So I strongly, strongly adviseyou. Well, you have to have a

(55:08):
plan to get out of masspopulation centers, period.
If that means uncle Bob's farm,if that means a bed and
breakfast that you visited fouror five times, it's off the
beaten path. So I I lay out fivedifferent strategies. I I I
mentioned earlier, my survivaltheory is kind of my way of
paying back to the average Joe,right, that can't afford these
large survival retreats.Survival theory two, I lay out

(55:31):
five strategies for people on onvery little to no budget on a
better scenario than sticking inyour house and just watching it
all fall apart around your ears.Because at some point, yeah, you
may have, you know, an AR 15 andyou may you may think you're
John Rambo, but at some time atsome point, a bigger group's
gonna come along.
At some point, you you have tosleep sometime. Right? You're

(55:54):
you're not going to win longterm. You may win the short term
battles, but the long termfight, especially if you have
food, especially if you havesupplies, you got a generator,
you got solar panels on yourroof, and you're one of the few
people in your neighborhood withpower, it's gonna it's gonna go
very poorly for you. Let me putit that way.
So having a fallback location togo to even if you don't own it.

(56:16):
So I lay out five strategies.They're not wonderful. I'm not
gonna sit here and say, oh,these are golden tickets. These
are they're gonna beuncomfortable, and they're not
gonna be the best case scenario.
But I would take one of thosefive strategies long before I
would just hang out in town andjust see how bad it's gonna get.
So what what I tell people toactually answer your question,

(56:38):
the two big things you have tounderstand. Your your major I
mean, unless you live inSouthern Arizona, you can
procure water. Right? You inthese in an off grid event or in
a serious pandemic event whereyou can't you gotta be away from
people.
You can procure water. You canprocure shelter in a sense of
you can have a a roof over yourhead. You can have weapons for

(57:00):
personal protection. Yourbiggest thing is food. The
average person eats 2,000pounds, a metric ton of food a
year.
The so I've actually worked witha couple mayors of small towns.
After the book One Second Halfcame out, I had a couple mayors
reach out to me and say, hey, wewanna do something and prepare
for this beforehand. Right? Andand one of them was in Utah. I'm
not gonna name the the name ofthe town, but it was it was only

(57:22):
like 500 people.
It was a small town. It was athere was a ranching town. They
had grain bins around. They hadcattle around. We crunched the
numbers.
We looked at the town. I lookedat it with the mayor, and it was
just no way to keep, you know,we're talking 2,000 pounds of
food a year. That, I mean, thattown needed 1.5 metric tons of

(57:43):
calories basically delivered tothat town every day until they
could get their farming andtheir agriculture and start
growing their own food, whichwas a huge issue as well. It
just wasn't feasible. The thepeople were gonna start starving
long before that first harvestseason came.
And once people starve and startgoing nuts, you you can't you

(58:03):
can't maintain order. So thatwas a big thing, another big eye
opening. I did that with twotowns, and we just discovered
it's just not feasible to keeppeople fed. So you have to
understand lack of foodstarvation is gonna be a major
factor. That that's gonna be thethe big issue is not having
food.
And once people average Joe'snot even so much them, but once

(58:27):
their their seven year old kidstarts to starve to death,
there's nothing they're notgonna do to procure food for
that child. It's just humannature. It's it's survival. It's
just we're gonna go back tokinda caveman days, essentially.
And and the American peoplethink we've evolved past that.
And it's just we're not gonnaget back there, but but we can
very easily. So lack of food.And then your biggest threat is

(58:49):
people. And that's what nobodywants to understand. They they
they wanna have this well, I'mgonna barter, and I'm gonna
trade with this guy or tradewith that guy.
Man, if you trade with somebodyand they have they give you
their last chicken to just getsome rice to feed their family,
they're coming back, and they'reprobably coming back with the
group. Every time you meet faceto face with somebody, they're

(59:12):
reading you. They're looking athow skinny you've gotten, how
dirty you are. You know? Do youare how haggard you look?
Are you is your face gray orseeks your cheeks sunken in?
Everybody's scoping everybodyout. So you you're are you gonna
barter your way through this andtrade this or trade that? You're
kinda opening the door to, youknow, getting yourself ambushed

(59:33):
in the very near future by alarger group. So my philosophy
is is humans are lack of foodand other humans are the big
threat.
If you can get in a tucked awaylocation during that large die
off, we said, for the firstyear, if you can keep your head
down for the first year and livethrough that first year, your
chances of long term survival gothrough the roof because, you

(59:53):
know, you need to it soundsterrible to say, but you need to
let that craziness kinda go pastand then come up for air and
look around you and see whatother groups and then you can
start, you know, pulling groupstogether, start kinda rebuilding
society. But that first year, ifif you're just out in the open,
if, you know, if if you're inthe middle town or, again, going

(01:00:15):
to live off the national forest,I mean, that's a crazy
ridiculous idea too. You know? Imean, I I I cover a lot of these
different dynamics that peopleare telling other people to do.
Again, it comes from a placethen they they're good hearted.
They're trying to help people,but they don't know what they
don't know. They haven't been inany of the meetings that I've
been in. They haven't beeninside the they just assume

(01:00:35):
somebody's gonna fix this thingat some point. It's just not
gonna happen. If you get nothingelse from this, the last thing
I'll say, there is zero plan atFEMA to deal with a long term
grid down event.
There is zero plan at thefederal government to deal with
a long term event. There is zeroplan at The United States
Military to deal with a longterm event. None of these
organizations have even lookedat a long term grid down event.

(01:01:00):
It's something beyond designbasis. And, again, they're
kicking the can down the road.
They're putting their head inthe sand, pretending it's not
gonna happen, hoping, wishing,praying it's not gonna happen.
The leaders know it's a threat,but it's just that's where we're
at as a country. And, you know,failure to imagining, this is
the future of warfare, and veryfew people are talking about it.

Seth Holehouse (01:01:21):
I'm glad that, you know, you're speaking sober
words. You're not just puffingit up for people. You're trying
to give them a very realunderstanding. And now you're
coming from the perspective of agrid down event. You're coming
from the perspective of a reallyworst case scenario.
But one thing that I gatheredfrom your books from one second
after others is that if you canprepare for that worst case

(01:01:41):
scenario, you're going to bepretty good in most other
scenarios, whether it's anatural disaster that knocks the
grid out for a month or whateverit is, you're gonna be fine if
you can prepare for that. So Iwill make sure I put all the
links in the description for theend of the show today. We we
talked about a lot of differentthings. I encourage people I'll
pull up one more time. Iencourage folks to go to your

(01:02:05):
website.
Go to that research page, go tothat grid down report, start
there. Great place to getstarted. And just yeah, thank
you so much for what you'redoing. And thank you for giving
so much important information.And hopefully, we can do a show
again, say mid year, and theworld's still kind of holding

(01:02:26):
together.
That we're not, you know, we'renot doing some remote broadcast
from our bunker over hand radiostogether.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah. Hopefully. But I'm I'm happy to come on
anytime.

Great. I

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
appreciate being here, Seth.

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folks. I hope you enjoyed thatinterview. So perhaps you saw
the recent Obama movie onNetflix called Leave the World

(01:04:05):
Behind.
And the movie was really builtaround the premise of a massive
cyber attack that shut downcommunications, and really set
forth these steps, the dominoesfall to lead towards civil war.
Now, you know, I've talked a lotabout preparedness. And it's
funny because even though it wasa movie that had the Obama's
behind it, it was an amazing redpill movie. So if you have

(01:04:26):
friends and family that say,hey, look, you're kind of dumb
for prepping so much, or theydon't understand. It's actually
it does a really good job ofshowing how vulnerable people
are.
And so the one of the biggestvulnerabilities that you see in
that film, though, iscommunication and the lack of
communication. What happens whenyour cell phone no longer works,
which is a very easy situationto have happen, whether it's a

(01:04:48):
cyber attack or an EMP or anynumber of things, even natural
disasters can cause that. And sojoining us today is Chris Hoare
from the satellite phone storeto talk through exactly how sat
phones work, demystify them, andit's actually they're much more
simple and easy than I imagined.So folks, please enjoy this
interview with Chris fromSatellite Phone Store. So Chris,

(01:05:09):
thank you so much for joining ustoday.
It's great to have you on theshow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It's a pleasure to be here, mate. What a crazy day
today has been.

Absolutely. So it's interesting. I know that
you know, your a lot of yourbackground relates to
communications, especiallysatellite communications. And we
recently at my house, my wifeand I, we watched leave the
world behind, you know, the newObama, Michelle produced Netflix
movie about basically the end ofour communication and this

(01:05:39):
massive, you know, cyber attackon America, which spirals into
civil war and all the thingsthat, you know, we spend our
days worrying about these days.And I've also talked extensively
about preparedness and, youknow, EMPs and just the overall,
I think things that we'd belooking at in terms of, like,

(01:06:00):
fundamentally making ourselvesharder to kill.
Like, that's my objective islike become really hard for the
government to get rid of you.Like, that's the goal for
surviving. And so Yeah. Withyour background in satellite
communication, satellite phones,etc. How do you how does that
play into the overall scenarioof just preparedness?

(01:06:20):
Or how's that how important isthat in kind of people's
perspective of, okay, whatshould I be doing?

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Well, it's very important. And look, I'm sure,
you know, most of viewers who orall the viewers of your show,
understand that you have to beprepared. And so, typically,
people have the food, they havea life straw, they have, you
know, extra ammunition, and allof those things, generators, and
that's great. You should haveall of that. But if you don't
have a way to communicate, Imean, you're really kind of on

(01:06:50):
your own.
And the cell towers, you know,and the cell networks are
constantly under attack, likeall of the infrastructure is,
whether it's from Iran, Russia,China, it doesn't matter, or
just crazy kids, you know, likein the case in Vegas and the
MGM. But they are vulnerable,and they you know, this
technology is used around theworld. People understand how to

(01:07:12):
hack it and how to take it down,And other things can take it
down, like an EMP attack, which,as you know, governments are
weaponizing this kind oftechnology, or a solar flare can
take out all kinds of satellitesand, you know, electronics. But
if if the cell towns go down,then, you know, your cell phone

(01:07:33):
has no bars. Everyoneunderstands that.
And even on a good day, only 7%of planet Earth is actually
covered by cell phone service.So that's not a lot. I mean, we
all see these ads on TV for allthese dots all over America.
Right? But, look, if you're herein Colorado and you're going up
to hike, you park your car, walka few hundred yards off the

(01:07:54):
road, and you have no service.
So satellite phones communicatedirectly with satellites in the
sky, so they do not need thosetowers, and that's the
advantage. That's why they workabsolutely anywhere, and they'll
work no matter what is going onon the ground. And, of course,
in this country, we've seenthings like hurricanes and

(01:08:15):
terrorist attacks. You know?When nine eleven happened, a lot
of the switching capability inNew York was under one of those
towers, so that just took outeven landlines.
You know? But if you're notprepared with independent
communications, then you arevery much kind of on your own.
So, you know, this technologywas created back in the late

(01:08:35):
nineties. And back then, thesesatellite phones were five, ten
thousand dollars or more, andpeople were paying $20.30 bucks
a minute. I mean, it was a toyfor the rich.
What we've done at sat123.com ismake this available to anyone
because we don't think that justthe rich should be able to
survive, you know, a disaster oran emergency. So we've taken

(01:08:57):
away the cost of these phones,which is still a thousand to
$2,000, and we're offering themfor free with activation at
sat123.com. So this is like, youknow, democratizing emergency
communications, and it'sabsolutely vital to have
communications, you know, whenyou have when everything else is
down or when we're under attackor whatever it is. Because if

(01:09:19):
you can't communicate, thenreally you just have knowledge
that you have with your team orwhatever. So I I think satcom is
vital, you know, in normal timesas well as being prepared for an
emergency.
If if you remember that terribleshooting in Las Vegas, you know,
I can't remember which hotel itwas, but at that music festival,

(01:09:40):
you know, like, the cell towerswere still operating, but they
can only handle so many calls atone time. So if they got
overloaded, then everyone's callgets rejected, And that's, you
know, the last time that youdon't wanna have, you know,
communications, but it happensit happened there. It's happened
at other kind of mass casualtyevents. So, you know, this is

(01:10:01):
life insurance, if you like,that will keep you alive. You
know, regular life insurancesends your wife or family a
check when you're gone.
I prefer to, like, still behere. And so I think that's just
another way to look at it.

And what about privacy? Because one of my
concerns is, let's say there'ssome type event where, say
there's an EMP, and then thegovernment steps in with martial
law or who knows what. And Ifind that in my the scenarios
I've read about in my own kindof, you know, imaginations that
that would be the time thatthere's this big disaster where

(01:10:38):
they come in to try to, youknow, enforce and control
everything. And so, you know,some of the books I've read, you
know, say like, I think it's onesecond after different books
about kind of EMP scenarios, Hamradios become a big thing.
Right?
These little kind of off thegrid ways of communicating,
which is still trackable. Butwith satellite phones, are they

(01:10:58):
trackable? Is it something that,you know, you could have some
guy in an in an outpostlistening to what you're talking
about? Or is it because it'sgoing up to the satellite, is it
much more difficult for that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
I mean, it certainly is more difficult. And look, I'm
not an engineer, so I can'tguarantee this, but just my
experience, which is, fifteenyears in this business, you
know, it is certainly much moredifficult. When it comes to
tracking, you know, you and Ihave cell phones, and everyone
has cell phones. Right? But thecell cell phone networks track
those and record your movementsvia GPS.

(01:11:33):
Even when you turn your phoneoff, the there's still another
battery in there that keeps theclock going, and that means
that, your microphone and cameracan be accessed, by the carrier,
by bad actors, by whomever. Youknow? And once you turn your
phone back on, all of thetraveling around you did when it
was off is then transmitted backto, you know, the carrier. So

(01:11:57):
you are always being trackedwith your cell phone. And, look,
we all have you know, somepeople don't understand that.
You and I do. And there's reallyno avoiding it. But a satellite
phone, the best you can tracksomeone is within a 50 square
mile radius. And I don't knowabout you, mate, but, you know,
I lose my remote control on mycouch. You know?

(01:12:18):
So 50 square miles is a hugearea, and it really you know,
it's really very useless forsomeone who's trying to hunt you
down.

I see. And what about the Bivy Stix? Because I
know I I I like Mike Adams. Iknow him. I listen to him, and
he talks a lot with the BivyStix.
So what are those?

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Well, the Bivy Stix is a little device about the
size of a pack of cigarettes. Itconnects to the satellite
network, and then a free app onyour Android or iPhone connects
to the Bivy Stix. And what thatall means is if your cell towers
go down, you're still gonna beable to use your regular cell
phone to send text or receivetext, no matter what. You won't

(01:13:00):
be able to make phone calls, butyou'll be still in communication
via the Bivy. And the Bivi andthe Satphone that we're offering
today, they all run on theIridium network, and this is the
same network used by the USgovernment and the US military.
So, look, they're not gonna takethat down. If that goes down,
we're in a different, you know,different we have a different

(01:13:21):
problem. But this will work anyway you can see the sky. So the
Bibi, you turn it on, put it inyour pocket, and it'll connect
to your phone via Bluetooth, Andnow you have a backup. And even
if you don't have a chip in yourphone, it'll still work.
So, you know, that's a it's agreat device. It is a little
cheaper on the monthly plan. Ithink it starts around $50.60

(01:13:44):
bucks, goes up to 80 orsomething, but that includes the
device. And you can see the babyat sat123.com as well as the
satellite phone.

I see. Okay. Okay. And we'll put these links
in. So these are the differentphones.
Now, I see here's Bivi and fairokay. So Faraday bags. Actually,
this is my next question wasFaraday bags. So this is, you
know, one of the other bigthings is that if there's an
EMP, my guess is that asatellite, you know, sat phone

(01:14:15):
is fried just as much as alaptop or the the computers in
my RAM truck. Right?
So it's dead. Absolutely. ButFaraday bags will protect.
Right? So is that the whole ideawith these is that you have your
sat phones, you keep them in aFaraday bag, which protects it
from that EMP blast or a solarflare.
And that way, regardless of whathappens, they're always gonna be

(01:14:36):
there. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
That's absolutely correct. And, yeah, you know,
Faraday bags are essential. Youknow, we recommend you get a
spare, cell phone and put it inthe bag, you know, along with
your satellite phone or whathave you, because, you know,
typically, you're going to haveyour cell phone, and it's you
know, if you're walking aroundand this happens, a solar flare
or whatever it is, that's goingto get fried. But knowing that
you have a backup, you know, inyour Faraday bag, you know,

(01:15:01):
would basically enable you tothen resume communications when
it was over.

And so the other thing with with with so with sat
phones is that is it basicallyI'm used to, you know, you grow
up and you have a cell phone,you have your network. And it
used to be that you're on alandline, and there was long
distance and everything was kindof based upon area code or
wherever you were. Cell phones,you know, it's countrywide, so I
can call someone across thecountry. So with satellite

(01:15:27):
phones, if let's just say you'reover in London, is it the same
to calling you in London as itwould be calling you in
Colorado? Or how does that work?

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Yeah. No. It's a great question. And the answer
is yes. There's just one areacode for these Sat phones, and
it's the same price to callanywhere.
But, look, you can also callregular cell phones or landlines
from a Sat phone, and viceversa, they can call you. It's
not just you have to haveanother person with another Sat
phone to communicate. You know,they can communicate with

(01:15:58):
outgoing or incoming calls andtexts, and it's like the same
worldwide. So what we do atsat123.com is we give you a
hundred minutes a month, andthose minutes can be used to
call wherever or whomever. Andif you don't use them, you can
roll them over, you know,because you're not always going
to need to use your sat phone.
But when a disaster happens,right, typically, you're going

(01:16:20):
to have a lot of calls to make,you know, so we don't want you
to also get hit with, like, ahuge bill just for doing that.
If you haven't used it for sixmonths, then you're gonna have,
like, six hundred minutes, youknow, and that's quite
substantial. And we don't cutyou off regardless, you know, so
we understand that if you'reusing a sat phone, there's
probably a very good reason.

Now the one question I have is that,
obviously, right now, you know,say you have say there's there's
a hundred thousand sat, youknow, phone users that are on
your network or right? And maybethey get used periodically when
hiking or whatnot. But ifsomething happens, let's just
say there's a grid down scenarioor something, Would you would

(01:17:00):
your satellites be able tohandle all of those phones or a
large amount of them all at oncebeing activated? Because that
that would be, I guess, that themajority of them would be used,
like, almost instantly in in theevent of something like that. So
would that overload the system?

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
I I think the answer to that overall and and, look,
there are exceptions toeverything, but is no. Because
with an Iridium phone or a Bivi,like, you are typically gonna be
have access to three satellites.Right? So and these satellites
were built to take a lot morevolume. When Motorola put this
company together and launchedover 70 satellites, I think that

(01:17:39):
they thought this was gonna bethe new cell phone network.
And so, you know, they built it,you know, to be able to handle,
you know, substantial amount oftraffic. But, yeah, there's very
they only make, like, a hundredthousand or or so of these
phones a year. So the whereasthey make a million iPhones a
day, right, or whatever it is.So there's never been that kind

(01:17:59):
of volume, and we've never heardof someone not being able to
make a call because of overload.And, again, look, I mean, it it
could happen, I suppose, theory,maybe, but I think it's highly
unlikely given the the lownumber of phones total and the
huge number of satellites thatthey have.

I see. That makes sense. So how does the
pricing work? So I'll I'll pullup the website here. We've got
Michigansat123.com.
Easy easy website. How's how'sthis work?

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
So here we have the IMRSAT phone, which is the other
network, and we have a bunch onthis page. But the phone is free
with activation, so you'relooking at normally, a phone
that would cost a thousand bucksor more is gonna be free. To get
that, you sign up for a fifteenmonth plan where you're paying
$95.99 a month. And so your ahundred minutes of text, you get

(01:18:54):
to use, and if you don't usethem, you can roll them over.
You can also get US phonenumbers, for this.
So if you give it to yourfriends or colleagues, they can
just call what looks like aregular cell phone number, and
then that will translate to yourcell phone.

I see. So it looks like the most the the
packages change based upon howmany minutes you want per month.
And are there okay. And here youhave the Bivis, which you
mentioned. So those areunlimited unlimited satellite
texting, $65 a month or 12.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Yeah. I mean, what you have at the top of the page
there is one, two, three phonesor more, and the price actually
goes down. You get the sameamount of minutes. But you if
you have buy two phones, you'repaying slightly less, for each,
contract per month, and you're,you know, sharing the minutes.
So if you and your wife haveboth have a phone and one of you

(01:19:50):
uses a hundred ninety minutes,the other one uses zero, you're
not gonna get an extra bill.
But we you know, we're alwaysencouraging people to think
about obviously, you think aboutyourself, but think about your
loved ones, your family, yourwife, your husband, your kids,
you know, and your colleagues.Because in a disaster, you know,
if you're not involved, that'sgreat. But if you have your one

(01:20:12):
of your kids who's out inFlorida and that was just hit by
a hurricane, not knowing ifthey're okay is, like, extremely
painful. Right? We've all beenthrough this.
We don't know if someone's okay.So it's giving you peace of mind
to be able to reach out, or theycan reach out to you saying,
hey. I'm okay. You know, I'llget back in touch when
everything's calmed down. But ifthey don't have a sat phone and

(01:20:35):
they're in that kind ofsituation, you know, you're not
going to be able to reach themand vice versa.
You know? And look, I mean, howmuch money do we spend a month
on things? Like, I I worked outthe other day. Right? My coffee
per day is, like, nearly $10because I have two of them.
Over thirty days, that's youknow, that adds up. Right? It's
way more than the cost of thesecell satphone contracts, And

(01:20:57):
this will save your life, andthis can get you out of a jam.

It also makes sense to say, have a sat phone
for yourself, and maybe you havetwo kids at college, give them a
baby stick. Right? Just in case.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. And this is interesting because I,
know, I've so I have a satphone, but I'm gonna actually
I'm gonna go sign up for oneafter this interview because
I've listened to Mike Adams talkabout them all the time. Sat
one, two, three sat one, two,three. And he's a huge proponent
for sat phones.
And I've thought about it, but Iguess in my mind, I thought, oh,
they're probably a couplethousand dollars, and it's

(01:21:31):
probably expensive. And but, youknow, thinking about, okay, so a
hundred bucks a month, it'slike, well, if I canceled a
couple streaming subscriptionsand moved some things around,
it's not easy to cut or notdifficult to come up with that.
But I like how that your theminutes just kind of roll over.
So I probably would rarely useit, if not ever. And so say
something happens ten monthsfrom now, I've got a thousand

(01:21:52):
minutes saved up.
It makes a makes a bigdifference.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Yeah. No. You're absolutely right. It's like,
look. Hopefully, you'll neverneed it, but if you're in a
situation where you do and youdidn't buy it, like, you're
gonna like, we've all beenthere, you know, with that kind
of regret.
And these things tend to sellout too. When we we saw the
beginning of the Ukraine RussiaConflict, you know, we sold out
within a week of everything, andwe had to wait, you know, to get

(01:22:18):
more phones in. Because, again,they just don't make that many
of them. We're one of biggestdealers in in The United States,
but there's only so many that weget allocated a year. You know?
So if things start to get bad,you're gonna have a lot of
trouble finding a phone at anyprice. So being prepared is
being prepared in advance, notafter the fact.

You know, I bet if you could have worked out a
deal with Barack Obama and put aSAT one two three ad at the end
of the movie, at the end of theleave the world behind, you guys
would have just been, like, justpumping out phone contracts.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Yeah. No. Look. I mean, he does a favor making
that movie. You know?
But the reality is is, like,what they showed in that movie
is clearly very possible. Andone of the biggest problems that
the people the characters had inthe movie was they had no
connection to the outside world.So it's like they didn't know
what was going on. They didn'tknow where to go, what to do,
you know, because they had noway of reaching out. And the

(01:23:12):
cell towers are gonna be thefirst thing that get taken out
if somebody is aggressivelytrying to take us down as a
country.
So you wanna make sure that youare not like those characters.
They're just wandering, hoping,praying, you know, because
you're in the dark. And itlooked pretty horrifying at the
end there. Of course, we don'tknow what happened afterwards,
but I think nothing good. Idon't wanna spoil it for anyone.

(01:23:34):
Yeah.

Okay. And final question, maybe the most
important is that how did youget access to the White House
Press Briefing Room? I'm stilltrying to figure that one out.
Was that Obama again? Did hehook hook that up with a phone
deal?

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Can't use any names, but I have friends in low
places. What can I say?

Great. Well, Chris, thank you. It's been a
pleasure speaking with you.Folks that are watching sat one
two three, that's the website sa t one two three, where you can
sign up, and that's it. Tell themen in America

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Can I just take the phone number there, Seth?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Please. Of course.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I do apologize. It's (941) 955-1020. That's (941)
955-1020. And we're open twentyfour hours. Call us anytime.
We have US based customerservice, so you'll get all the
answers to your need. If youdon't know what plan to get or
what device to get, give us acall. Go to Sat123.com. We have
a lot of videos there to helpyou make a decision.

Great. Well, Chris, thanks again for coming
on. It's been real nice speakingwith you, and you've now gained
a new customer. I'm going thereright now to get my phone.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Job done. Thanks so much, mate. I appreciate

it. Absolutely.

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