February 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Discover the extraordinary healing potential of sound and breath with our captivating guest, Gabriel Logan Braun. Once a high school athlete, Gabriel found his path to wellness through the unexpected journey of yoga and music following a personal crisis. Gabriel's story is not just about overcoming challenges; it's about the profound transformation that can occur when we embrace our entire being—mind, body, emotions, and spirit. Join us as we explore his innovative events like Sonic Womb and Primal Fire, where breathwork, sound healing, and practices like Qigong become instruments for releasing negativity and nurturing vitality.
We dive into the concept of "issues in our tissues," where emotions are experienced physically before being intellectualized. Learn how focused breathing, sound healing, and mindful movement can help release trapped energy and promote healing. Gabriel shares insights on how integrating somatic practices with traditional life coaching can enhance personal growth, encouraging us to tap into our innate wisdom for emotional and spiritual well-being. This conversation is an invitation to embrace holistic approaches that can lead to profound personal transformation.
Experience the magic of movement and sound as we discuss its impact on mental health. Gabriel highlights how practices like ecstatic dance and sound improvisation can unlock healing and self-expression, offering a liberating contrast to conventional exercise routines. By celebrating community and collective experiences, we emphasize the significance of support systems in the journey toward wellness. Whether you're on a path to self-discovery or seeking new ways to heal, this episode holds the potential to inspire change and fulfillment. Share this journey with others and uncover the vibrant, life-affirming power of sound, breath, and movement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you have sound that doesn't have a pattern or
that's as identifiable, or thereis no rhythm and it's out of
time, it allows the person who'sexperiencing that to have to
work on surrendering, letting go, not being in charge of the
experience anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello and welcome to today's episode of man Uncaved.
We are going to discuss somatichealing arts, using our breath
and using sound to heal with adear, dear, good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Gabriel Logan Braun.
So good to have you here, myman.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So good to be here bro.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, we finally made it happen.
I know we've been talking aboutthis for a couple of years now,
so I'm glad that we can finallysit and really I want people to
hear about the beautiful workyou're doing.
I had the pleasure.
Well, first of all, we gotintroduced because you and I
also work running groups at sometreatment centers around LA and
(01:07):
Malibu, and I got introduced toyou and I went to one of your
sonic womb baths I guess soundbath is that what you call it
and I was just taken back justby the talent you have with
music and stuff.
So we're going to talk aboutthat as we dive in.
(01:27):
So, anyway, welcome, thank you.
First of all, let's just know alittle bit about you.
How did you get into?
I mean, you do a lot of otherthings, so we're going to be
talking about all that too, buthow did you get into working
with sound and doing yourhealing work?
But how did?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
you get into working with sound and doing your
healing work.
Yeah, so it was like my ownkind of first big dark night of
the soul.
Experience is what really ledme to what I do, and that was
when I was still in high schooland I was like a total jock and
I was playing basketball andthat was my main passion and I
put all my eggs in one basket,so to speak.
I had no plan B and then Ibasically had my ego crushed by,
(02:14):
you know, other players.
One summer I went to like thisWest Coast All-Star camp, going
into my junior year of highschool and I just realized like
I just wasn't at the level thatI needed to be and I thought I
was in and so that was like.
When I came back after thatexperience, it was like I didn't
(02:34):
know who I was anymore becauseso much of my identity was
wrapped in that.
And then I went into a reallike depression and I stopped.
I started ditching school andthen, um, a family friend a bit
well, basically my parents, they, you know found out and they
caught me and then I transferredinto like a private school and
(02:55):
a family friend, uh, suggestedthat I go to a yoga class, cause
she thought it would be, youknow, healing and therapeutic
for me and knew that I was likereally into, you know, movement
and physical things like that.
So I did, and it happened to bea bhakti yoga class with
Govindas and Radha, who now shegoes by Jacqueline, I think but
(03:17):
this was like my firstintroduction and during the
class they were doing like thephysical asana and the poses and
postures and the workout,workout experience, but it was
very spiritual and that theyincluded mantras, chanting, um
of these you know, uh, sacrednames of the divine that
represent different archetypes,but there was a the musical
(03:37):
aspect, uh, using it as a way toheal and almost in a way,
transcend uh all of of the kindof stuck limiting patterns of
the mind and the body in a way,and it just really transported
me out of my kind of depressedstate.
And at the end of the class Iwent up to both of them and I
was like how can I learn how todo this?
(03:59):
And that's literally whatstarted my journey and they led
me to a teacher who, um, playedthe flute and did like flute
lessons, and then it was likeone thing led to the next over
the course it still is.
Yeah, of course you know.
So.
Yeah, that was when I was likeabout 16 17 and I'm 38 now.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So yeah, so it's been quite a journey.
Yeah, and yeah, and, and I lovethat the music does transport
and the way that you put thattogether in your events, and
we'll talk about that event.
The one that I went to wasSonic Womb.
I did feel transported throughsound.
It's almost like I was hoveringover my body.
(04:42):
It was a very I I guesstranscendent type of experience
using sound.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah I mean, I did actually uh, take a couple years
of guitar lessons when I waslike 11, okay, and I was in a
band, so I did have that.
And then when, when I was a kid, my mom used to take me to
these you know, different worldmusic and theatrical uh events
at ucla, oh so, so I did have alot of exposure to it, but it
(05:10):
wasn't until I, like, reallydove into yoga and spiritual
practice that I.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It became more of a way of seeing it too, for
working with sound movement,breath qigong.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that stuff that
you really have incorporated inkind of crafting, this little
beautiful experience for people,mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, so there's a particular kind of container
event that I've curated, calledPrimal Fire, and it's about
(06:01):
cultivating your inner fire,your agni, breath, work and
sound healing to kind of purgeand move and clear energy within
yourself that might be causingyou to feel stagnant or
depressed or stuck or negativeenergy, anything that you need
to kind of like move through youthat you feel can be like an
obstacle or getting in the wayof you being your most vital,
(06:22):
alive, vibrant self.
Many years ago I did my yogateacher training and I was very
focused on that, and then I'vestudied some Qigong, and Qigong
is similar to Tai Chi and itessentially means the
cultivation of your Qi, which isyour life force, energy and
also pronounced Qi there's a lotof ways to say it and so this
is working with the breath, alsowith mindful movement, and when
(06:47):
you learn how to do that andharness your chi, it's about
finding a greater kind ofbalance within your nervous
system and in your body, and wetalk about often, like in
recovery centers, how can youlearn how to self-regulate right
when you're dysregulatedoftentimes and you're in that
fight, flight, freeze responsein the what we call the
(07:07):
parasympathetic nervous systemor, sorry, the sympathetic
nervous system.
We want to get into theparasympathetic right, so this
is also your world too.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's right, yeah, so I definitely agree to that
and that's a lot of the workthat you do too.
So not just sound, you workwith the breath, you do somatic,
uh work to release this energythat is stuck within the body
and again, you know this is alanguage that you and I share if
there's some trauma or juststuck, stuck stuff, accumulated
(07:35):
collective stuff over the years,and so the breath really helps
move that out, can you describea little bit more maybe, about
that energy and how you can getit unstuck from some of these
practices?
Totally?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So I've actually heard you say this.
I'm quoting you on this one,okay, which is we have our
issues in our tissues, right?
And so you don't think anemotion, you feel it first.
It lives in the body and ofcourse emotions can come from,
you know, being triggered bywhat someone says to you or a
(08:16):
thought you have, or a memoryfrom the past or a trauma, right
so?
And yet it lives in the body.
So, different ways that I wouldhave people be able to move that
energy or that emotion would beagain through the breath, for
example.
So let's say I'm feeling reallytight and really tense and
(08:38):
stuck, and maybe there's aparticular area in my body, like
I feel like my heart's reallyheavy or I feel kind of locked
and it's like hard to feel myheart.
So I might have a clientbreathe more intensely around
their heart, like in the back oftheir heart, open their chest
up more heart, open their chestup more, and just through
(09:02):
utilizing the breath alone,already that can start to free
up some of that energy thatfeels more tense or stuck.
Because you realize I mean, Iknow I'm preaching to the choir
when I'm talking to you, but forour audience, right, it's like
when we breathe shallowly right,which most people do, we don't
actually move energy that way.
We kind of tend to be a bitmore contracted or shut down,
(09:23):
and so when we breathe morefully and into a specific area,
it helps to free up and openthat energy.
So that would be one example.
Through the breath, yeah, when Iwork with clients one-on-one, I
do everything from people thatwant to learn sound healing and
I teach them how to do that,live looping.
(09:45):
So for people who are notfamiliar with that, it's like a
whole art form where you're likea one-man band orchestra and
you learn how to essentiallyrecord a live instrument,
whether it be your voice or ahandpan or a flute or anything,
and then you overdub or you, youknow, capture the sound so it
repeats and you can create awhole song.
And then, yeah, and then I alsowork with people who, again,
(10:07):
maybe you do have some issues inyour tissues and you feel like
you do need to move that energyand so, utilizing the breath,
utilizing sound healing,utilizing mindful movement, and
then I also have clientssometimes where, you know, for a
long time I used to do lifecoaching more, so kind of
talking through things, workingit out that way, helping people
(10:28):
to create more structure intheir lives and greater purpose,
and getting more clarity andintention setting, and all of
that.
Yet now, because I incorporatethe somatic healing work, I tend
to integrate those practices,so it's not just talking,
talking, talking the whole time.
That way, I feel like peoplecan actually accelerate their
(10:50):
process of healing more quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I agree with you.
So this is something that Iknow that we share similar
beliefs.
It's like really integratingthe whole being.
You know the body, the mind,the emotions that you know.
If it's spiritual, it could bespiritual for some people too
but really looking at as thewhole and all these parts of
self, integrating all of those,so I I love that approach too.
(11:13):
This is why I'm really excitedabout the stuff that you do.
It's not just we're, not justthis or this.
Processing serves its purpose,and moving it somatically,
energetically, definitely servesits purpose as well.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout maybe the movement too,
because this is something that Iknow that you do and I've
actually and I'll have a couplelinks for everybody about you
(11:38):
and how they can get in contactwith you and kind of see the
work, not just music, but justthe wonderful stuff that you're
doing out there.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout the movement?
I have a feeling that it kindof works with the same energy
the body, obviously, becauseyou're moving.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, definitely.
Well, there's an example thatcomes to mind, a really powerful
one, in nature, in the wild,like when you think about a
predator going for its prey,like a lion maybe chasing a
gazelle or something, and thegazelle gets away, right, but
the lion like pounced on it andalmost got it, and so there's a
(12:11):
certain trauma that you couldsay that gazelle experience and
what you see in animals, wildanimals, is that they will
actually shake, likecathartically, they will shake
and they will move through thattraumatic experience of
literally being caught to thepredator, right, and then
they'll just go about like as ifalmost nothing even happened.
(12:34):
But for us humans, when weexperience trauma, oftentimes we
freeze right, I freeze, or weflee, or we do, whatever the
thing is, and again it getsstored here.
So with movement it's sopowerful how you again can move
energy through your body,through your whole system, and
(12:55):
not just necessarily workingwith trauma, but like as a way
to self-regulate, as a way tomove more energy, as a way to
wake yourself up every day.
I had a client even recentlywho said I used to think about
working out as something I justdo for my physical body because
I want to lose weight.
I want to get strong, but nowthe way he sees it is for his
(13:18):
mental health.
I want to get strong, I want to, but now the way he sees it is
for his mental health, and then,as a byproduct, he feels better
and then his body looks better.
You know he's in better shapeand this and that, but so for me
(13:43):
there's that direct correlationbetween our mental health and
our physical body.
We can get into movement and andnot movement that is um, static
or repetitive or I mean it hasa place movement that is also
more organic.
You and I know, like when we goto something called ecstatic
dance yeah, right, it's like forpeople who don't know, this is
kind of like a free form type offlow and movement of dance
where there's a dj and you knowthere's a little bit of guidance
in the beginning, but mostlyit's like you get to allow your
body to move you, rather than apreconceived idea or
(14:07):
choreography of how you'resupposed to move or look right.
So it's less about thepresentation, it's more about
how it feels and moving theenergy naturally through your
system, and when you do that,there's just something that is
so healing and so powerful, justin that alone.
So I would say, like that's abig part of where for me, when I
(14:28):
, when I guide people intomovement, there is some form and
structure to begin, but thenafter that you kind of break
through the form and structureand you just go into this more
free flow because ultimatelyyour body's going to teach you
about yourself sure, the wisdom,the wisdom within the body.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You know the body.
I love the idea of, like bodylanguage.
You know, yes, there we go.
Body of wisdom you know, yeah,talk about that.
So when you say you work with aclient and you're kind of
taking these approaches via, youknow, breath and say movement,
do you see where they finallylet go, where you know maybe
(15:06):
they're a little bit in theirmind about their body so it's
maybe a little restrictive or,you know, closed down, and then
the shift.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat and these wonderful things
you've noticed?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Absolutely yeah.
So what you're another way ofsaying.
It is like when people are moreself-conscious and even though
in the world, in the world oflike, mindfulness and, you know,
self-development and all this,and it's like when we think
about self-conscious, sometimesthat can actually be a positive
thing because you're more awareand conscious of that of self
(15:39):
with a capital s.
But, as most people know,self-conscious is like a
negative connotation in terms oflike I'm self-conscious, I'm
thinking about what others arethinking of me, they're judging
me or I'm even judging myself,and oftentimes we're the ones
judging ourselves.
Maybe these people actuallythey don't, they're not thinking
anything.
You know, know about us.
So, in that regard, yeah, Ihave definitely noticed where
(16:02):
people have these layers ofself-consciousness or judgment
about themselves, and it'salmost like you can see it in
their body, where they contract,where they're tight, where
maybe they're even holding acertain position and they just
don't want to let go.
They're even holding a certainposition and they just don't
want to let go.
It's like they don't want tolet that guard down kind of
thing.
(16:22):
But what I've seen is when Iwork on somebody or work with
someone in this way, it's likeas an example, you know, I might
have a client who, just to showyou, demonstrated my own body,
like they're doing this, likethey're doing this, and if you
look at my, the position of myshoulders, my shoulders are
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coming down.
My back is kind of protectingmy heart, so it kind of hunched.
(17:08):
It's almost for those thatcan't see.
It's kind of a hunched over.
Right, your shoulders areforward, the back is kind of
caved in.
And what is that usually about?
It's usually about I'm someone,probably, who has gone through
my life and I've had to protectmy heart because I've been
breath and I want you toactually move your shoulders
back, arch through your spineand open through your thoracic
cage, open through your ribs,and breathe here and notice what
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comes up for you, what happenswhen you do that, and getting to
a point where maybe someonestarts to do that and all of a
sudden they have tears streamingdown their face.
They don't even know why.
Right, it's like you're in.
You know, the story is my wholelife I've been.
I've had to protect my heart,but now I'm in a safe
environment with Gabriel orright, and I don't need to do
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that.
But something in me says no, no,I have to stay this way,
because this is all I've everknown right and so when you can
then see that opening happeningand the realization that this
person actually is in a safeenvironment, wow, it's like a
complete 180 shift in theirexperience.
And then I've seen somebodylike this then over time their
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posture even right starts tochange.
Their chest becomes more open,they live life more from their
heart and, you know, steppingforward versus dragging
themselves along and alwaysbeing in a shell kind of a thing
, Right.
So that would be an example.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, oh, that's just a, that's just a beautiful
image, that way you'reexplaining it, because I get
that right.
We just kind of wear it, the,the, you know the muscles have
memory and kind of pulls usforward in a protective stance
and I can understand it.
You know again, as you'redescribing it, just the sense of
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an empowerment that can open up.
Just by moving the shouldersback, heart out, you can grow a
couple inches, you know, forthose, just on that, because
you're standing more ready andthe word I love like kind of
play on words.
So what you had described isthe self-conscious, not in a
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negative connotation you werejust talking about that, but
just envisioning that opening up, hard out, self-conscious, more
of an embodiment, awareness ofwhat's happening.
Because we do, we completelylose connection right From the
neck down.
I think we're just, we'redriven by our thoughts
constantly and without theawareness that there's a lot
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more real estate down here,there's a lot more happening, a
lot more information that isgoing on here features.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Um, she says emotions another way of uh speaking to
emotions are alivenesssensations and that emotions are
a form of information.
And aliveness sensations likewe, whether we like the way
we're feeling or not, it's likeit's fucking, like uh, you know,
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like we feel our most alive andraw.
It's like it's intensesometimes, but it's that
sensation that we have.
That is a form of information.
But a lot of us, because welive in our heads or we haven't
been given the tools to cope anddigest this information, we end
up becoming self-destructive orself-sabotaging ourselves and
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others in the process.
So it's just a different kindof frame to see it or to see how
we relate with these emotions.
And I would even add onto thatand I know you and I share some
very similar perspective is thatyou know emotion, we think
about E standing for energy,motion, movement.
And if you want yourself to behealthy and vital and most alive
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, you have to allow thoseemotions to flow and to be
expressed, versus depressed orpushed down or suppressed, right
, it's like literally bringingthem out, which is why the
creative arts, especially likemusic and things like this, can
be so and movement and dance canbe so therapeutic beyond, you
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know cognition or talk therapy,which has its place too, right,
but this is beyond just speakingwith words, but speaking with
the body, speaking with you,know the soul, in a way, and how
it expresses creatively.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, you know, it came to me when you were saying
that.
I mean thinking about soundmusic.
I mean, the first sound is theheartbeat.
Right, we're in the heartbeatand the sound and the beating of
that, that drum kind of sound,which I know you do a lot of too
, and you incorporate all these,you know, from rooted sounds to
, you know, earth sounds to airsounds, um, to air sounds, all
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the elements, all the elements.
Yeah, that's right, thinking ofthat in its own, its own right,
cause that that was ourlanguage.
It's like listening to theheartbeat, understanding that,
and that was kind of our rhythm,as in the womb.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Absolutely.
And and so, yeah, I would loveto speak with to what you're
saying right now, because and so, yeah, I would love to speak to
what you're saying right now,because so, sonic Womb is one of
the types of events that I alsooffer, and it's basically a
version of a sound bath Forthose who maybe are newer to
that.
Essentially, you are beingbathed and serenaded in sonic
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vibrations of differentinstruments, and that can vary
from instruments called singingbowls to didgeridoo, to flutes,
to guitar, to your voice.
I mean, literally could beanything.
There are certain instrumentsin particular that have a
perhaps more healing frequencyor resonance that can not only
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be heard but felt in the body.
It's through those instrumentsthat we're able to go, I think,
deeper inside of our experience,just like a form of meditation,
right when you're guided intothat inner world or inner space
within yourself, and in thatspace you begin to uncover and
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discover different aspects aboutyourself, again through sound
and through vibration.
So, yeah, and in particular,when we talk about the heartbeat
and rhythm, and when you have acertain rhythm, your mind can
identify a specific pattern likeone, two, three, four.
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One, two, three, four.
So then, when it can anticipatewhat's coming.
It creates a feeling of safety,because you're not like, oh
shit, what's next?
What's going to happen, I don'tknow, like this is so then you
can relax Right, can relax right.
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And there's also, on thecontrary, something to be said
about not using rhythm and beingout of time, not always knowing
what's going to happen next,because that can create, I think
, a healthy form ofdisorientation, meaning, oh, I
actually have to let go to thedegree that I'm trying to hold
on and control, which is a realthing for a lot of us, right?
Especially in Western culture,where we can be more kind of
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trained to always trying to kindof micromanage, control, do
things in this particular way,figure things out, overanalyze
things right, versus certaincultures where it's like, no,
just embrace the mystery, likedon't try and figure everything
out, you don't have to knoweverything right.
Where in our culture, whereit's, it's not that way
oftentimes.
So, when you have sound thatdoesn't have a pattern, or as uh
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, that's as identifiable, orthere is no rhythm and it's out
of time, it allows the personwho's experiencing that to have
to work on surrendering, lettinggo, not being in charge of the
experience anymore, and eventhough that sometimes can be a
little scary or off-putting andunsettling.
There's value to that as wellas there is to the predictable.
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You know rhythm in time, I knowwhat's coming, I can anticipate
it, so I like to actually workwith both of those elements.
There are a lot of people whodo sound healings out there that
don't work with rhythm, andit's just.
You know, it is what it is, butI find that having both creates
a greater range of experiencein the person and can be more
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dynamic in that way.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So, yeah, I love what you're you're bringing in that
actually described my experienceat sonic womb to its entirety,
because it was again, I lovethat the, the repetitive, we can
go in there.
And then the dissonance.
And the dissonance is wheremost of us right, where it might
be off the time or they'recolliding in certain ways and
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and we have to find that partwithin ourself how much more can
we let go?
And you brought great words tothat, because that's it right.
We look for predictability, welove our certainty.
It allows us to feel safe andin control and in power in our
life, and there's needs for that, obviously.
And then life isn't predictableand things aren't living in
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certainty at time, and so thatrhythm makes you collide, and
that was what was the word Iloved to use was the dynamic of
that in your and I've been tosound, you know healings and
they're all.
They all have their wonderfulspace, um, but the incorporation
, that, what you incorporate,all these nice flows and sounds,
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um, and that was somethingdifferent from soundbites that I
have gone to, uh, that youreally brought in.
Now I have a question, cause I,I sit there and I'm in, you
know, I'm in my meditative stateand this has come to me.
I'm like does he?
Is this all on the fly?
Sometimes Like I don't evenknow if this is like on the fly,
or you know, how is this?
(26:58):
How do you put all thistogether?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So yeah, and for, of course,you know, for people who haven't
experienced what I do yet, I'magain including many different
instruments from all around theworld.
I'm looping many of theseinstruments, creating all these
layers, using both rhythm,timing and then timelessness.
(27:22):
You know, all of that freeform,flow and transitioning out of
different, I call themsoundscapes, so it's like washes
and walls of sound and thensinging on top of them.
So all of that, so just to kindof paint a picture for people,
right?
So within that I would say it'sNow, it is mostly improvised
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and there's where I have someidea of form and structure, of
like there is a blueprint.
You know, there is somearchitecture of sound and how
I'm going to go from A to B, butthen within the structure I can
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freeform.
So to give a little bit moreconcrete example of what I mean
by that, I can start, forexample, with a flute which I'll
create a drone like backgroundeffect which is timeless.
There's no rhythm or anythinggoing, that's in a particular
key.
I will start to create a rhythmand within that rhythm I'll
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then build layers with my voice,with the flute, with a bass
kind of effect, and I'll createa whole nother experience for
people, and then I'll fade thatout, and then maybe I'll bring
in a new instrument that's inthe same key, or I'll transition
into a completely different keyor scale or something like this
.
And you know, I'm trying tokeep it as simple as I can,
(28:50):
really, really, you got toexperience it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, this is, I think, if you don't have a music
understanding, you go there andyou experience, uh, you know,
sonic womb with gabriel.
It is quite an amazingexperience because you are
floating in these.
That's exactly it, this bath ofsound, but it's just the, the,
the sounds that you use fromlike, again, world tones, to
(29:15):
like these.
You use your voice, uh, torepresent some type of low end
bass.
Um, it's, it's quite an amazingexperience, it really is thanks
, man.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, and I will say too, like also just paying
homage to you know, all thedifferent teachers that I've
worked with, and even when I sayteachers, I mean both you know
(29:48):
people.
One of the oldest windinstruments in the world and
used in traditional ceremoniesfrom that culture, and now it's
all over the world.
You'll even hear it in technomusic.
You know what I mean.
It's used in all differentkinds of ways, but there's
something so primal andprimordial and ancient.
That's just from thatinstrument alone.
Primordial and ancient, that'sjust from that instrument alone.
(30:10):
Right, it's like people get toexperience, or they even have
the experience, that they'venever been to australia or been
exposed to that culture.
Now they are, you know, it'slike they're taking on this,
this journey, this magic carpetride to all these different
cultures and lineages, right,totally.
And and then even working withum people like borangi.
So some of you may know who this, uh, amazing, you know,
musician, sound sound engineer,sound healer.
(30:33):
He's a lot of different things.
His, his thing is more.
He creates live music, usuallyto dance to.
He's very much a healer, andhe's brazilian and he's been
doing this his whole life,really, and he's an incredible
loop artist, and this is someonethat I got to study with and
train with for many years, andyou know, and I've worked with,
yeah many people from all aroundthe world, and so there's a
(30:57):
lineage that I also feel thatI'm.
It's like I'm bearing thistorch and carrying it forward,
and I've also learned a lot onmy own, too.
Any artist you maybe youemulate certain teachers or
people that you work with for atime, and then you find your own
style and your own voice right,yeah, absolutely, and you, yeah
, you give it your own kind ofsignature to it as it relates to
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you.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That didgeridoo is a powerful one, just the
vibrations when you bring itclose to the heart or areas in
the person's body, and it's justa standalone and you can feel
that pulsing vibration, moving.
That in itself is so healing,and you do.
You do you time travel, like inthat time travel, but also you
(31:41):
travel to different locationsand different.
I guess time travel would be itbecause you can meet, maybe
different parts of your own self.
But we'll talk about what youhave coming up yeah, so, um, I
do so first.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'll I'll start by saying that, um, yeah, when,
when this is airing and live uhcoming out, I would um encourage
people to go on either mywebsite, gabriel logan brauncom,
which will probably be in theyeah, I'll have all that
available yeah, um, as well, as,like, instagram is where I
usually post events, but I, youknow, I generally have sonic,
(32:14):
womb and primal fire events.
Um, and then I have some newmusic that will also be out Um,
both, uh.
There's a uh what's already out, called wildfire.
It's an EP, four differentsongs, world music, dance music
with my friend and creativepartner, oral Ponick.
This is really beautiful music.
(32:36):
Then there's also going to be anew song coming out, tbd on the
timing of it, with a new musicvideo called Breaking Through
the Static, and this is actuallyanother kind of genre and
rendition of what I do, whereI'm going to be rapping and it's
kind of like where Rage Againstthe Machine meets Beastie Boys
(32:56):
a little bit.
Oh, wow, Wow, a new venture.
I like it, a new venture.
I'm just, you know, I like todip my feet in.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, why?
Yeah, I love it.
You know it's all healing.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's all healing and, yeah, and we'll also have the
Wildfire Amapiano remix.
Amapiano is a popular genre ofmusic from Zimbabwe and South
Africa, so that's going to beout as well when this airs.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So you can look forward to that too.
Is that like Spotify, wherepeople yeah, Spotify, iTunes,
all the platforms.
Okay, perfect, so look out forthose and then, yes, I'll have
everything to get in contactwith Gabriel.
If you're looking forindividual coaching, go to maybe
one of his events and seewhat's going on with Wildfire
Not Wildfire, you used to callit Wildfire, Primalfire,
(33:43):
primalfire yeah, and Sonic Wombyeah, and he's always doing a
lot of great things, so you canjust stay posted.
Follow him on Instagram.
You know all those social mediaplatforms.
You have some stuff on YouTubeif you want to just hear some of
the sounds.
I mean, this guy is talentedwhen it comes to music.
(34:03):
I was taking some lessons fromyou too.
I mean, I want to take somemore.
We'll talk more about thatanother time, but it's such a
pleasure to have you.
Uh, I'm glad that we canfinally make this happen.
I want people to know about youand this beautiful work that
you're doing.
And again, if that soundsamazing to you, moving with your
body, I mean you're connectingyour breath.
(34:23):
I love that self conscious um,through movement, through breath
, through sound, gabriel walks,it, talks it.
I I really enjoy watching thework that you do and how you
also hold yourself energetically.
You just feel it when you'rearound you.
So, thank you, man, anythingelse you want to say here for
(34:45):
anybody that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I just want to say, like,like, it's never too late to
start.
One of the biggest things on anypersonal growth journey is just
making the choice, and also inrecovery, too, like more than
half the battle of getting soberis just choosing and wanting to
get sober, and not only is itabout sobriety, but ultimately,
(35:09):
I think it's really just abouthealth, wellness, healing,
self-discovery, you know,bettering yourself as a human so
that you can also help others,and something that I've also
learned.
I mean, we've talked a lot aboutself right, but so much of
spirituality and healing isactually about we, is about
community, is about each other,and part of why I'm so inspired
(35:32):
to do what I do is to help bringpeople together, and you know I
couldn't do what I'm doingwithout people like you, you
know, and having a podcast likethis and so, and working
together in the recovery centersand like so, more ever, I feel
this is a time that you knowwe're coming together, we need
each other, and I'm just reallyinspired and feeling really
(35:56):
grateful that you know, to knowsomebody like you, that you're
doing this work too, and Iappreciate you creating a
platform for others like me aswell to get our work out in the
world.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Always, brother, always.
Thank you so much.
This was today's episode.
If you enjoyed this episode,please share it.
Somebody else might want tohear it and journey in the
discovery, to their own recovery.
And this might be what theywere looking for so they can get
their lives back together, sothey can heal, so they can live
life and into the greatestpotential.
(36:29):
And to live our life in thegreatest potential, we need to
come out of hiding.
When you have sound that doesn't have a pattern or
that's as identifiable, or thereis no rhythm and it's out of
time, it allows the person who'sexperiencing that to have to
work on surrendering, letting go, not being in charge of the
experience anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello and welcome to today's episode of man Uncaved.
We are going to discuss somatichealing arts, using our breath
and using sound to heal with adear, dear, good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Gabriel Logan Braun.
So good to have you here, myman.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So good to be here bro.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, we finally made it happen.
I know we've been talking aboutthis for a couple of years now,
so I'm glad that we can finallysit and really I want people to
hear about the beautiful workyou're doing.
I had the pleasure.
Well, first of all, we gotintroduced because you and I
also work running groups at sometreatment centers around LA and
(01:07):
Malibu, and I got introduced toyou and I went to one of your
sonic womb baths I guess soundbath is that what you call it
and I was just taken back justby the talent you have with
music and stuff.
So we're going to talk aboutthat as we dive in.
(01:27):
So, anyway, welcome, thank you.
First of all, let's just know alittle bit about you.
How did you get into?
I mean, you do a lot of otherthings, so we're going to be
talking about all that too, buthow did you get into working
with sound and doing yourhealing work?
But how did?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
you get into working with sound and doing your
healing work.
Yeah, so it was like my ownkind of first big dark night of
the soul.
Experience is what really ledme to what I do, and that was
when I was still in high schooland I was like a total jock and
I was playing basketball andthat was my main passion and I
put all my eggs in one basket,so to speak.
I had no plan B and then Ibasically had my ego crushed by,
(02:14):
you know, other players.
One summer I went to like thisWest Coast All-Star camp, going
into my junior year of highschool and I just realized like
I just wasn't at the level thatI needed to be and I thought I
was in and so that was like.
When I came back after thatexperience, it was like I didn't
(02:34):
know who I was anymore becauseso much of my identity was
wrapped in that.
And then I went into a reallike depression and I stopped.
I started ditching school andthen, um, a family friend a bit
well, basically my parents, they, you know found out and they
caught me and then I transferredinto like a private school and
(02:55):
a family friend, uh, suggestedthat I go to a yoga class, cause
she thought it would be, youknow, healing and therapeutic
for me and knew that I was likereally into, you know, movement
and physical things like that.
So I did, and it happened to bea bhakti yoga class with
Govindas and Radha, who now shegoes by Jacqueline, I think but
(03:17):
this was like my firstintroduction and during the
class they were doing like thephysical asana and the poses and
postures and the workout,workout experience, but it was
very spiritual and that theyincluded mantras, chanting, um
of these you know, uh, sacrednames of the divine that
represent different archetypes,but there was a the musical
(03:37):
aspect, uh, using it as a way toheal and almost in a way,
transcend uh all of of the kindof stuck limiting patterns of
the mind and the body in a way,and it just really transported
me out of my kind of depressedstate.
And at the end of the class Iwent up to both of them and I
was like how can I learn how todo this?
(03:59):
And that's literally whatstarted my journey and they led
me to a teacher who, um, playedthe flute and did like flute
lessons, and then it was likeone thing led to the next over
the course it still is.
Yeah, of course you know.
So.
Yeah, that was when I was likeabout 16 17 and I'm 38 now.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So yeah, so it's been quite a journey.
Yeah, and yeah, and, and I lovethat the music does transport
and the way that you put thattogether in your events, and
we'll talk about that event.
The one that I went to wasSonic Womb.
I did feel transported throughsound.
It's almost like I was hoveringover my body.
(04:42):
It was a very I I guesstranscendent type of experience
using sound.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah I mean, I did actually uh, take a couple years
of guitar lessons when I waslike 11, okay, and I was in a
band, so I did have that.
And then when, when I was a kid, my mom used to take me to
these you know, different worldmusic and theatrical uh events
at ucla, oh so, so I did have alot of exposure to it, but it
(05:10):
wasn't until I, like, reallydove into yoga and spiritual
practice that I.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It became more of a way of seeing it too, for
working with sound movement,breath qigong.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that stuff that
you really have incorporated inkind of crafting, this little
beautiful experience for people,mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, so there's a particular kind of container
event that I've curated, calledPrimal Fire, and it's about
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cultivating your inner fire,your agni, breath, work and
sound healing to kind of purgeand move and clear energy within
yourself that might be causingyou to feel stagnant or
depressed or stuck or negativeenergy, anything that you need
to kind of like move through youthat you feel can be like an
obstacle or getting in the wayof you being your most vital,
(06:22):
alive, vibrant self.
Many years ago I did my yogateacher training and I was very
focused on that, and then I'vestudied some Qigong, and Qigong
is similar to Tai Chi and itessentially means the
cultivation of your Qi, which isyour life force, energy and
also pronounced Qi there's a lotof ways to say it and so this
is working with the breath, alsowith mindful movement, and when
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you learn how to do that andharness your chi, it's about
finding a greater kind ofbalance within your nervous
system and in your body, and wetalk about often, like in
recovery centers, how can youlearn how to self-regulate right
when you're dysregulatedoftentimes and you're in that
fight, flight, freeze responsein the what we call the
(07:07):
parasympathetic nervous systemor, sorry, the sympathetic
nervous system.
We want to get into theparasympathetic right, so this
is also your world too.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's right, yeah, so I definitely agree to that
and that's a lot of the workthat you do too.
So not just sound, you workwith the breath, you do somatic,
uh work to release this energythat is stuck within the body
and again, you know this is alanguage that you and I share if
there's some trauma or juststuck, stuck stuff, accumulated
(07:35):
collective stuff over the years,and so the breath really helps
move that out, can you describea little bit more maybe, about
that energy and how you can getit unstuck from some of these
practices?
Totally?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So I've actually heard you say this.
I'm quoting you on this one,okay, which is we have our
issues in our tissues, right?
And so you don't think anemotion, you feel it first.
It lives in the body and ofcourse emotions can come from,
you know, being triggered bywhat someone says to you or a
(08:16):
thought you have, or a memoryfrom the past or a trauma, right
so?
And yet it lives in the body.
So, different ways that I wouldhave people be able to move that
energy or that emotion would beagain through the breath, for
example.
So let's say I'm feeling reallytight and really tense and
(08:38):
stuck, and maybe there's aparticular area in my body, like
I feel like my heart's reallyheavy or I feel kind of locked
and it's like hard to feel myheart.
So I might have a clientbreathe more intensely around
their heart, like in the back oftheir heart, open their chest
up more heart, open their chestup more, and just through
(09:02):
utilizing the breath alone,already that can start to free
up some of that energy thatfeels more tense or stuck.
Because you realize I mean, Iknow I'm preaching to the choir
when I'm talking to you, but forour audience, right, it's like
when we breathe shallowly right,which most people do, we don't
actually move energy that way.
We kind of tend to be a bitmore contracted or shut down,
(09:23):
and so when we breathe morefully and into a specific area,
it helps to free up and openthat energy.
So that would be one example.
Through the breath, yeah, when Iwork with clients one-on-one, I
do everything from people thatwant to learn sound healing and
I teach them how to do that,live looping.
(09:45):
So for people who are notfamiliar with that, it's like a
whole art form where you're likea one-man band orchestra and
you learn how to essentiallyrecord a live instrument,
whether it be your voice or ahandpan or a flute or anything,
and then you overdub or you, youknow, capture the sound so it
repeats and you can create awhole song.
And then, yeah, and then I alsowork with people who, again,
(10:07):
maybe you do have some issues inyour tissues and you feel like
you do need to move that energyand so, utilizing the breath,
utilizing sound healing,utilizing mindful movement, and
then I also have clientssometimes where, you know, for a
long time I used to do lifecoaching more, so kind of
talking through things, workingit out that way, helping people
(10:28):
to create more structure intheir lives and greater purpose,
and getting more clarity andintention setting, and all of
that.
Yet now, because I incorporatethe somatic healing work, I tend
to integrate those practices,so it's not just talking,
talking, talking the whole time.
That way, I feel like peoplecan actually accelerate their
(10:50):
process of healing more quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I agree with you.
So this is something that Iknow that we share similar
beliefs.
It's like really integratingthe whole being.
You know the body, the mind,the emotions that you know.
If it's spiritual, it could bespiritual for some people too
but really looking at as thewhole and all these parts of
self, integrating all of those,so I I love that approach too.
(11:13):
This is why I'm really excitedabout the stuff that you do.
It's not just we're, not justthis or this.
Processing serves its purpose,and moving it somatically,
energetically, definitely servesits purpose as well.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout maybe the movement too,
because this is something that Iknow that you do and I've
actually and I'll have a couplelinks for everybody about you
(11:38):
and how they can get in contactwith you and kind of see the
work, not just music, but justthe wonderful stuff that you're
doing out there.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout the movement?
I have a feeling that it kindof works with the same energy
the body, obviously, becauseyou're moving.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, definitely.
Well, there's an example thatcomes to mind, a really powerful
one, in nature, in the wild,like when you think about a
predator going for its prey,like a lion maybe chasing a
gazelle or something, and thegazelle gets away, right, but
the lion like pounced on it andalmost got it, and so there's a
(12:11):
certain trauma that you couldsay that gazelle experience and
what you see in animals, wildanimals, is that they will
actually shake, likecathartically, they will shake
and they will move through thattraumatic experience of
literally being caught to thepredator, right, and then
they'll just go about like as ifalmost nothing even happened.
(12:34):
But for us humans, when weexperience trauma, oftentimes we
freeze right, I freeze, or weflee, or we do, whatever the
thing is, and again it getsstored here.
So with movement it's sopowerful how you again can move
energy through your body,through your whole system, and
(12:55):
not just necessarily workingwith trauma, but like as a way
to self-regulate, as a way tomove more energy, as a way to
wake yourself up every day.
I had a client even recentlywho said I used to think about
working out as something I justdo for my physical body because
I want to lose weight.
I want to get strong, but nowthe way he sees it is for his
(13:18):
mental health.
I want to get strong, I want to, but now the way he sees it is
for his mental health, and then,as a byproduct, he feels better
and then his body looks better.
You know he's in better shapeand this and that, but so for me
(13:43):
there's that direct correlationbetween our mental health and
our physical body.
We can get into movement and andnot movement that is um, static
or repetitive or I mean it hasa place movement that is also
more organic.
You and I know, like when we goto something called ecstatic
dance yeah, right, it's like forpeople who don't know, this is
kind of like a free form type offlow and movement of dance
where there's a dj and you knowthere's a little bit of guidance
in the beginning, but mostlyit's like you get to allow your
body to move you, rather than apreconceived idea or
(14:07):
choreography of how you'resupposed to move or look right.
So it's less about thepresentation, it's more about
how it feels and moving theenergy naturally through your
system, and when you do that,there's just something that is
so healing and so powerful, justin that alone.
So I would say, like that's abig part of where for me, when I
(14:28):
, when I guide people intomovement, there is some form and
structure to begin, but thenafter that you kind of break
through the form and structureand you just go into this more
free flow because ultimatelyyour body's going to teach you
about yourself sure, the wisdom,the wisdom within the body.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You know the body.
I love the idea of, like bodylanguage.
You know, yes, there we go.
Body of wisdom you know, yeah,talk about that.
So when you say you work with aclient and you're kind of
taking these approaches via, youknow, breath and say movement,
do you see where they finallylet go, where you know maybe
(15:06):
they're a little bit in theirmind about their body so it's
maybe a little restrictive or,you know, closed down, and then
the shift.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat and these wonderful things
you've noticed?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Absolutely yeah.
So what you're another way ofsaying.
It is like when people are moreself-conscious and even though
in the world, in the world oflike, mindfulness and, you know,
self-development and all this,and it's like when we think
about self-conscious, sometimesthat can actually be a positive
thing because you're more awareand conscious of that of self
(15:39):
with a capital s.
But, as most people know,self-conscious is like a
negative connotation in terms oflike I'm self-conscious, I'm
thinking about what others arethinking of me, they're judging
me or I'm even judging myself,and oftentimes we're the ones
judging ourselves.
Maybe these people actuallythey don't, they're not thinking
anything.
You know, know about us.
So, in that regard, yeah, Ihave definitely noticed where
(16:02):
people have these layers ofself-consciousness or judgment
about themselves, and it'salmost like you can see it in
their body, where they contract,where they're tight, where
maybe they're even holding acertain position and they just
don't want to let go.
They're even holding a certainposition and they just don't
want to let go.
It's like they don't want tolet that guard down kind of
thing.
(16:22):
But what I've seen is when Iwork on somebody or work with
someone in this way, it's likeas an example, you know, I might
have a client who, just to showyou, demonstrated my own body,
like they're doing this, likethey're doing this, and if you
look at my, the position of myshoulders, my shoulders are
(16:42):
coming down.
My back is kind of protectingmy heart, so it kind of hunched.
(17:08):
It's almost for those thatcan't see.
It's kind of a hunched over.
Right, your shoulders areforward, the back is kind of
caved in.
And what is that usually about?
It's usually about I'm someone,probably, who has gone through
my life and I've had to protectmy heart because I've been
breath and I want you toactually move your shoulders
back, arch through your spineand open through your thoracic
cage, open through your ribs,and breathe here and notice what
(17:31):
comes up for you, what happenswhen you do that, and getting to
a point where maybe someonestarts to do that and all of a
sudden they have tears streamingdown their face.
They don't even know why.
Right, it's like you're in.
You know, the story is my wholelife I've been.
I've had to protect my heart,but now I'm in a safe
environment with Gabriel orright, and I don't need to do
(17:52):
that.
But something in me says no, no,I have to stay this way,
because this is all I've everknown right and so when you can
then see that opening happeningand the realization that this
person actually is in a safeenvironment, wow, it's like a
complete 180 shift in theirexperience.
And then I've seen somebodylike this then over time their
(18:14):
posture even right starts tochange.
Their chest becomes more open,they live life more from their
heart and, you know, steppingforward versus dragging
themselves along and alwaysbeing in a shell kind of a thing
, Right.
So that would be an example.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, oh, that's just a, that's just a beautiful
image, that way you'reexplaining it, because I get
that right.
We just kind of wear it, the,the, you know the muscles have
memory and kind of pulls usforward in a protective stance
and I can understand it.
You know again, as you'redescribing it, just the sense of
(18:55):
an empowerment that can open up.
Just by moving the shouldersback, heart out, you can grow a
couple inches, you know, forthose, just on that, because
you're standing more ready andthe word I love like kind of
play on words.
So what you had described isthe self-conscious, not in a
(19:15):
negative connotation you werejust talking about that, but
just envisioning that opening up, hard out, self-conscious, more
of an embodiment, awareness ofwhat's happening.
Because we do, we completelylose connection right From the
neck down.
I think we're just, we'redriven by our thoughts
constantly and without theawareness that there's a lot
(19:38):
more real estate down here,there's a lot more happening, a
lot more information that isgoing on here features.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Um, she says emotions another way of uh speaking to
emotions are alivenesssensations and that emotions are
a form of information.
And aliveness sensations likewe, whether we like the way
we're feeling or not, it's likeit's fucking, like uh, you know,
(20:10):
like we feel our most alive andraw.
It's like it's intensesometimes, but it's that
sensation that we have.
That is a form of information.
But a lot of us, because welive in our heads or we haven't
been given the tools to cope anddigest this information, we end
up becoming self-destructive orself-sabotaging ourselves and
(20:32):
others in the process.
So it's just a different kindof frame to see it or to see how
we relate with these emotions.
And I would even add onto thatand I know you and I share some
very similar perspective is thatyou know emotion, we think
about E standing for energy,motion, movement.
And if you want yourself to behealthy and vital and most alive
(20:55):
, you have to allow thoseemotions to flow and to be
expressed, versus depressed orpushed down or suppressed, right
, it's like literally bringingthem out, which is why the
creative arts, especially likemusic and things like this, can
be so and movement and dance canbe so therapeutic beyond, you
(21:16):
know cognition or talk therapy,which has its place too, right,
but this is beyond just speakingwith words, but speaking with
the body, speaking with you,know the soul, in a way, and how
it expresses creatively.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, you know, it came to me when you were saying
that.
I mean thinking about soundmusic.
I mean, the first sound is theheartbeat.
Right, we're in the heartbeatand the sound and the beating of
that, that drum kind of sound,which I know you do a lot of too
, and you incorporate all these,you know, from rooted sounds to
, you know, earth sounds to airsounds, um, to air sounds, all
(21:54):
the elements, all the elements.
Yeah, that's right, thinking ofthat in its own, its own right,
cause that that was ourlanguage.
It's like listening to theheartbeat, understanding that,
and that was kind of our rhythm,as in the womb.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Absolutely.
And and so, yeah, I would loveto speak with to what you're
saying right now, because and so, yeah, I would love to speak to
what you're saying right now,because so, sonic Womb is one of
the types of events that I alsooffer, and it's basically a
version of a sound bath Forthose who maybe are newer to
that.
Essentially, you are beingbathed and serenaded in sonic
(22:31):
vibrations of differentinstruments, and that can vary
from instruments called singingbowls to didgeridoo, to flutes,
to guitar, to your voice.
I mean, literally could beanything.
There are certain instrumentsin particular that have a
perhaps more healing frequencyor resonance that can not only
(22:51):
be heard but felt in the body.
It's through those instrumentsthat we're able to go, I think,
deeper inside of our experience,just like a form of meditation,
right when you're guided intothat inner world or inner space
within yourself, and in thatspace you begin to uncover and
(23:14):
discover different aspects aboutyourself, again through sound
and through vibration.
So, yeah, and in particular,when we talk about the heartbeat
and rhythm, and when you have acertain rhythm, your mind can
identify a specific pattern likeone, two, three, four.
(23:34):
One, two, three, four.
So then, when it can anticipatewhat's coming.
It creates a feeling of safety,because you're not like, oh
shit, what's next?
What's going to happen, I don'tknow, like this is so then you
can relax Right, can relax right.
(23:56):
And there's also, on thecontrary, something to be said
about not using rhythm and beingout of time, not always knowing
what's going to happen next,because that can create, I think
, a healthy form ofdisorientation, meaning, oh, I
actually have to let go to thedegree that I'm trying to hold
on and control, which is a realthing for a lot of us, right?
Especially in Western culture,where we can be more kind of
(24:22):
trained to always trying to kindof micromanage, control, do
things in this particular way,figure things out, overanalyze
things right, versus certaincultures where it's like, no,
just embrace the mystery, likedon't try and figure everything
out, you don't have to knoweverything right.
Where in our culture, whereit's, it's not that way
oftentimes.
So, when you have sound thatdoesn't have a pattern, or as uh
(24:43):
, that's as identifiable, orthere is no rhythm and it's out
of time, it allows the personwho's experiencing that to have
to work on surrendering, lettinggo, not being in charge of the
experience anymore, and eventhough that sometimes can be a
little scary or off-putting andunsettling.
There's value to that as wellas there is to the predictable.
(25:06):
You know rhythm in time, I knowwhat's coming, I can anticipate
it, so I like to actually workwith both of those elements.
There are a lot of people whodo sound healings out there that
don't work with rhythm, andit's just.
You know, it is what it is, butI find that having both creates
a greater range of experiencein the person and can be more
(25:28):
dynamic in that way.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So, yeah, I love what you're you're bringing in that
actually described my experienceat sonic womb to its entirety,
because it was again, I lovethat the, the repetitive, we can
go in there.
And then the dissonance.
And the dissonance is wheremost of us right, where it might
be off the time or they'recolliding in certain ways and
(25:52):
and we have to find that partwithin ourself how much more can
we let go?
And you brought great words tothat, because that's it right.
We look for predictability, welove our certainty.
It allows us to feel safe andin control and in power in our
life, and there's needs for that, obviously.
And then life isn't predictableand things aren't living in
(26:14):
certainty at time, and so thatrhythm makes you collide, and
that was what was the word Iloved to use was the dynamic of
that in your and I've been tosound, you know healings and
they're all.
They all have their wonderfulspace, um, but the incorporation
, that, what you incorporate,all these nice flows and sounds,
(26:37):
um, and that was somethingdifferent from soundbites that I
have gone to, uh, that youreally brought in.
Now I have a question, cause I,I sit there and I'm in, you
know, I'm in my meditative stateand this has come to me.
I'm like does he?
Is this all on the fly?
Sometimes Like I don't evenknow if this is like on the fly,
or you know, how is this?
(26:58):
How do you put all thistogether?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So yeah, and for, of course,you know, for people who haven't
experienced what I do yet, I'magain including many different
instruments from all around theworld.
I'm looping many of theseinstruments, creating all these
layers, using both rhythm,timing and then timelessness.
(27:22):
You know, all of that freeform,flow and transitioning out of
different, I call themsoundscapes, so it's like washes
and walls of sound and thensinging on top of them.
So all of that, so just to kindof paint a picture for people,
right?
So within that I would say it'sNow, it is mostly improvised
(27:47):
and there's where I have someidea of form and structure, of
like there is a blueprint.
You know, there is somearchitecture of sound and how
I'm going to go from A to B, butthen within the structure I can
(28:09):
freeform.
So to give a little bit moreconcrete example of what I mean
by that, I can start, forexample, with a flute which I'll
create a drone like backgroundeffect which is timeless.
There's no rhythm or anythinggoing, that's in a particular
key.
I will start to create a rhythmand within that rhythm I'll
(28:29):
then build layers with my voice,with the flute, with a bass
kind of effect, and I'll createa whole nother experience for
people, and then I'll fade thatout, and then maybe I'll bring
in a new instrument that's inthe same key, or I'll transition
into a completely different keyor scale or something like this
.
And you know, I'm trying tokeep it as simple as I can,
(28:50):
really, really, you got toexperience it.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, this is, I think, if you don't have a music
understanding, you go there andyou experience, uh, you know,
sonic womb with gabriel.
It is quite an amazingexperience because you are
floating in these.
That's exactly it, this bath ofsound, but it's just the, the,
the sounds that you use fromlike, again, world tones, to
(29:15):
like these.
You use your voice, uh, torepresent some type of low end
bass.
Um, it's, it's quite an amazingexperience, it really is thanks
, man.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, and I will say too, like also just paying
homage to you know, all thedifferent teachers that I've
worked with, and even when I sayteachers, I mean both you know
(29:48):
people.
One of the oldest windinstruments in the world and
used in traditional ceremoniesfrom that culture, and now it's
all over the world.
You'll even hear it in technomusic.
You know what I mean.
It's used in all differentkinds of ways, but there's
something so primal andprimordial and ancient.
That's just from thatinstrument alone.
Primordial and ancient, that'sjust from that instrument alone.
(30:10):
Right, it's like people get toexperience, or they even have
the experience, that they'venever been to australia or been
exposed to that culture.
Now they are, you know, it'slike they're taking on this,
this journey, this magic carpetride to all these different
cultures and lineages, right,totally.
And and then even working withum people like borangi.
So some of you may know who this, uh, amazing, you know,
musician, sound sound engineer,sound healer.
(30:33):
He's a lot of different things.
His, his thing is more.
He creates live music, usuallyto dance to.
He's very much a healer, andhe's brazilian and he's been
doing this his whole life,really, and he's an incredible
loop artist, and this is someonethat I got to study with and
train with for many years, andyou know, and I've worked with,
yeah many people from all aroundthe world, and so there's a
(30:57):
lineage that I also feel thatI'm.
It's like I'm bearing thistorch and carrying it forward,
and I've also learned a lot onmy own, too.
Any artist you maybe youemulate certain teachers or
people that you work with for atime, and then you find your own
style and your own voice right,yeah, absolutely, and you, yeah
, you give it your own kind ofsignature to it as it relates to
(31:20):
you.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That didgeridoo is a powerful one, just the
vibrations when you bring itclose to the heart or areas in
the person's body, and it's justa standalone and you can feel
that pulsing vibration, moving.
That in itself is so healing,and you do.
You do you time travel, like inthat time travel, but also you
(31:41):
travel to different locationsand different.
I guess time travel would be itbecause you can meet, maybe
different parts of your own self.
But we'll talk about what youhave coming up yeah, so, um, I
do so first.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'll I'll start by saying that, um, yeah, when,
when this is airing and live uhcoming out, I would um encourage
people to go on either mywebsite, gabriel logan brauncom,
which will probably be in theyeah, I'll have all that
available yeah, um, as well, as,like, instagram is where I
usually post events, but I, youknow, I generally have sonic,
(32:14):
womb and primal fire events.
Um, and then I have some newmusic that will also be out Um,
both, uh.
There's a uh what's already out, called wildfire.
It's an EP, four differentsongs, world music, dance music
with my friend and creativepartner, oral Ponick.
This is really beautiful music.
(32:36):
Then there's also going to be anew song coming out, tbd on the
timing of it, with a new musicvideo called Breaking Through
the Static, and this is actuallyanother kind of genre and
rendition of what I do, whereI'm going to be rapping and it's
kind of like where Rage Againstthe Machine meets Beastie Boys
(32:56):
a little bit.
Oh, wow, Wow, a new venture.
I like it, a new venture.
I'm just, you know, I like todip my feet in.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, why?
Yeah, I love it.
You know it's all healing.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's all healing and, yeah, and we'll also have the
Wildfire Amapiano remix.
Amapiano is a popular genre ofmusic from Zimbabwe and South
Africa, so that's going to beout as well when this airs.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So you can look forward to that too.
Is that like Spotify, wherepeople yeah, Spotify, iTunes,
all the platforms.
Okay, perfect, so look out forthose and then, yes, I'll have
everything to get in contactwith Gabriel.
If you're looking forindividual coaching, go to maybe
one of his events and seewhat's going on with Wildfire
Not Wildfire, you used to callit Wildfire, Primalfire,
(33:43):
primalfire yeah, and Sonic Wombyeah, and he's always doing a
lot of great things, so you canjust stay posted.
Follow him on Instagram.
You know all those social mediaplatforms.
You have some stuff on YouTubeif you want to just hear some of
the sounds.
I mean, this guy is talentedwhen it comes to music.
(34:03):
I was taking some lessons fromyou too.
I mean, I want to take somemore.
We'll talk more about thatanother time, but it's such a
pleasure to have you.
Uh, I'm glad that we canfinally make this happen.
I want people to know about youand this beautiful work that
you're doing.
And again, if that soundsamazing to you, moving with your
body, I mean you're connectingyour breath.
(34:23):
I love that self conscious um,through movement, through breath
, through sound, gabriel walks,it, talks it.
I I really enjoy watching thework that you do and how you
also hold yourself energetically.
You just feel it when you'rearound you.
So, thank you, man, anythingelse you want to say here for
(34:45):
anybody that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I just want to say, like,like, it's never too late to
start.
One of the biggest things on anypersonal growth journey is just
making the choice, and also inrecovery, too, like more than
half the battle of getting soberis just choosing and wanting to
get sober, and not only is itabout sobriety, but ultimately,
(35:09):
I think it's really just abouthealth, wellness, healing,
self-discovery, you know,bettering yourself as a human so
that you can also help others,and something that I've also
learned.
I mean, we've talked a lot aboutself right, but so much of
spirituality and healing isactually about we, is about
community, is about each other,and part of why I'm so inspired
(35:32):
to do what I do is to help bringpeople together, and you know I
couldn't do what I'm doingwithout people like you, you
know, and having a podcast likethis and so, and working
together in the recovery centersand like so, more ever, I feel
this is a time that you knowwe're coming together, we need
each other, and I'm just reallyinspired and feeling really
(35:56):
grateful that you know, to knowsomebody like you, that you're
doing this work too, and Iappreciate you creating a
platform for others like me aswell to get our work out in the
world.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Always, brother, always.
Thank you so much.
This was today's episode.
If you enjoyed this episode,please share it.
Somebody else might want tohear it and journey in the
discovery, to their own recovery.
And this might be what theywere looking for so they can get
their lives back together, sothey can heal, so they can live
life and into the greatestpotential.
(36:29):
And to live our life in thegreatest potential, we need to
come out of hiding.
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