Discover the transformative power of expressive arts and holistic healing with our incredible guest, Lexi Faith, as she shares her unique journey from a creative and spiritual upbringing to becoming an art therapist, yoga teacher, and tantric guide. Lexi recounts how her early exposure to imagination and emotional energy manipulation led to profound spiritual awakenings. She reveals how embracing her spirituality in her twenties and using expressive arts facilitated her sobriety and reprogrammed her subconscious mind. Learn how these practices laid the foundation for her holistic healing approach, intertwining creativity and spirituality.
Explore the intersection of spiritual practices and psychotherapy as Lexi delves into the therapeutic benefits for those grappling with complex trauma and anxiety. She introduces the concept of sadhanas—daily rituals that forge a connection between subconscious intentions and conscious actions, promoting self-trust and emotional regulation. By integrating techniques like Kriyas, movement practices, and expressive arts, listeners can gain insights into regulating their nervous systems and achieving emotional stability. Lexi emphasizes the importance of self-connection, co-regulation with others, and connecting with a higher power to foster resilience and creativity.
Finally, we traverse the depths of intuition, emotional regulation, and altered states of consciousness. Lexi shares how facilitators' energy profoundly impacts group dynamics and the necessity of embracing a full range of emotions for authentic healing. She unpacks the role of intuition in guiding deeper understandings beyond trauma indicators, stressing the significance of working through negative emotions. The episode culminates in discussing the essence of self-awareness in relationships, integrating various aspects of the self, and building an internal guidance system for overcoming trauma and fostering genuine connections. Join us in unraveling the holistic path to emotional stability and creative expression with the wisdom of Lexi Faith.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The overall thesis of the modality is there's three
points of connection.
There's your connection withyourself, so self-regulation,
knowing who you are, knowingyour triggers, knowing your
desires, boundaries, et cetera.
There's connection with other,that's co-regulation.
So in my one-on-one work that'sdone with me.
And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
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partners that could become dyadsor with me.
And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
partners that could become dyadsor one with me.
And then there's and it's alsodone like one to many, so
there's a different sort ofenergy that happens when we're
working with a group, and thenthere's one to insert word of
your higher power, of yourchoice.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So hi everybody.
This is man Uncaved Again.
My name is Shane Coyle.
Welcome to today's episode.
I'm loving this discussion, sofirst let me introduce my guest
today.
This is Lexi Faith.
Lexi Faith is an expression arttherapist, yoga teacher,
tantric teacher, meditationteacher, reiki masteriki, master
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and mediumship.
Did I get all that?
Right, yes, so first let's talkabout what really was your
first understanding in and thiswork of tantra meditation,
spirituality was always raisedin a very like spiritual and
creative household.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
My dad went an awakening when I was born so
there was a lot of umintellectual conversation and
like there was a lot ofteachings around various
esoteric practices, everythingfrom like wicca to buddhism.
He became a buddhist disciplein the shaolin temple when I was
a kid and it's been a part ofthat space my whole life and
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Tantra, magic I mean astrologyeverything I really learned from
him or the books he had aroundor the interesting people he had
around started doing astrology,I think when I was like seven.
Like I would like go to all ofthese like family not family,
but like these like uh, dinnerparties they would throw and
like just go around gettingeverybody's birthday and like
looking at all the books.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I love that I went to .
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I grew up in new york city where there I went to
specialized arts schools frommiddle school and high school
and you have to like audition toget in and there's a whole
process to it and, um, I hadalways been a visual artist and
a writer like that was alwaysthere.
And then I started dancing.
I loved to sing but I was veryshy, and I loved performing, but
I was very, very shy, and so ittook a long time for my
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teachers to start to see, okay,she has something, and start to
give me more opportunities.
And then I started to fall inlove with acting and dance and
music, but I never shared itprofessionally.
But I got into acting andacting actually brought me on a
deeply shamanic journey.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Could you tell us a little bit more about what those
practices were to understand,more about what that was like
for you?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The practices that I would learn about how to work
with my imagination and thesomatic experience and my breath
and my voice and my body, andhow to use or even like,
manipulate the emotions or theenergy in my body to express
itself a certain way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Tell us a little bit more about that and manipulating
that emotional energy withinyour body.
I think that's quiteinteresting.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I would feel the energy in my body somewhere, I
could feel an emotion and Icould change my perspective and
how the energy was going to beexpressed.
I thought that every humanbeing on the planet was doing
this and I was like a teenager,so I was learning and catching
up.
I literally didn't know thatthis was not like a thing that
people were doing and itactually launched this whole
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awakening process for me, reallyyoung.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, it sounds like you were really young growing up
in that, but also the earlyconditioning it sounds like with
dad and being open and havingthese books.
When did you in your life startto really embrace this and
really come out with thespiritual closet, if you will?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I came out of the spiritual closet when I was in
my 20s.
I definitely didn't tell anyonewhat was going on.
But in this process of what Iwould do with my emotion and my
breath and my body and my voice,and how I could, I learned that
I could reprogram mysubconscious by repeating things
through acting, because you'rerepeating the lines all the time
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and the more that you'resubconscious, the more the
acting can actually come through, more the character.
And then I learned that that wasactually something with NLP it
was.
It was that much later.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so it was really the practice of that, and then
all this like modalities kind offit into this deeper
understanding that you alreadyhad, kind of the foundation of
that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Exactly.
I got a master's degree inexpressive art therapy to
essentially validate what I hadalready learned and understood
that had come to me through myown catharsis, using music,
dance, acting, writing andillustration or drawing or art.
Um, but it was until when I was24, I went through this.
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I had shut things down.
I had started exploring alteredstates of consciousness through
substances and partying andthrough like absolutely a whole
other part of their way to getthere.
And when I was 24, I think whenI was 23 is when I got sober A
lot of it was really because myspiritual practice got so
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serious and I just knew Icouldn't do both anymore.
I realized that, okay, likemaybe I had taken things too far
and I was already seeing a lotof my friends in and out of
rehab and I could see that, likethat path, even with, many of
my friends were very creativeand have become very successful
as creatives, just as many arejust as creative and some were
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even just as successful andended up overdosing or
struggling in and out of rehab.
Or I just I was just surroundedby addiction because I started
to see that there was this linkwith creativity and and
substances and this I was likewell, the arts give us this
opportunity to go beyond.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh yeah, I definitely agree.
I think the arts in themselves,creativity really taps into
this very subconscious place andwithin that subconscious it
could be this altered states ofconsciousness.
You're tapping into source andall that.
Now you mentioned earliersomething about intuition and
talking about it from your ownperspective.
(06:25):
Can you tell us a little bitmore about intuition?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
These abilities, the ability of intuition, and
personally I have clairvoyance,claircognizance, clairaudience
I'll explain them andclartendency.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And clairsentience.
So clairvoyance is when you'reseeing things, you get visions.
Clairaudience is voices.
That's my strongest one.
I hear voices.
I get clear tangency, which isalso very strong for me, which
is when I touch somebody, I cango into their field.
I can see, I can hear, I getinformation completely from
touching them.
Clear sentience is like it's afeeling, it's a felt sense in
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your body.
That's a pretty common one thatdevelops for a lot of people.
And the last one is clearcognizance, which is knowing
things, about knowing it.
This one is also, I think, verypowerful.
I think a little side note onthat one is, I think, with
children who are really gifted,you'll see it there because
they'll know the answers tothings.
For example, I think I wasreally good at math because of
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that good at school, because Iwas able to know these things
without knowing how I knew them.
So I think that, like my beliefsystem is that children are all
very intuitive, and it's alsobacked by science.
Children are in a theta wavestate until they're seven years
old.
Is exactly what going toaltered states is?
It's going to a theta state,going to a gamma state, right,
(07:44):
which I'll explain what that isso and that's and that's, and
just correct me really quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Let me pause you there because I understand this
and in dapping into the thetabrain waves, right.
So this lower brain frequencyis really where this to my
understanding and correct me ifI'm wrong but this understanding
of where your subconsciousreally in alignment and
communicating with the consciousmind, right.
So that's where a lot ofreprogramming, right, when we go
into a deep meditative state,this is before you drop into
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your sleep state, this is whenyou're waking up in the morning.
You're in really acommunication with this
subconscious mind, where there'sa lot of ability to reprogram
and bring new information andcreate new language there.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely Great and it's something that as adults we
typically don't go into anymore.
But there are different kindsof practices that will take you
into it and children untilthey're seven and even into
their teenage years.
They're kind of in differentstates, but from zero to seven
they are just always in a thetastate.
So what that means is they'revery connected to their
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intuition.
Zero to seven, they are justalways in a theta state.
So what that means is they'revery connected to their
intuition.
What happens in those years?
It's a lot of conditioning fromfamily culture, and that
conditioning just likedissociates them from their
intuition.
We learn a set of behaviors asopposed to trusting their innate
ability.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, I agree and this is you know, in the area
that I work in and I know thatyou work in as well when we see
the behaviors, and underneaththese behaviors are these belief
systems and these conditioningsfrom these early childhood
experiences that are reallyfused within that subconscious.
So, lexi, tell me more aboutthis altered states of
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consciousness.
What is it?
A program, this modality you'recreating?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, so I've created a modality that combines the
expressive art therapies withKriya Yoga specifically, which
is a tantric practice, workingwith mantras, repetitive
movements and breath to createkind of like a moving meditation
that takes you into an alteredstate.
And I combine that with ritualsand expressive arts, which also
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work with bilateral stimulation, which is what EMDR is.
That's what you're doing withEMDR, or different practices
like that Somatic experiencing,and different creative practices
that are intentionally designedto take you into intuition or
work with different emotions,and so I combine these two
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together to create a modalityand this is what I share and
this is I call it altered statesand this is what I share with
my one-on-one clients and aswell as in retreats and group
programs.
So the one-on-one clients getreally specialized care.
They get initiated into Vedicmeditation, tantra yoga, kriya
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yoga.
They get Vedic astrologyreadings.
They'll get because I'm also anintuitive, which means I go
into these states and like talkto people who've passed away, or
guides or you know, move energyor things like that.
I offer those sessions with myone-on-one clients in the
program that we do, as well asdifferent sadhanas and a sadhana
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is a spiritual practice thatyou do kind of like daily, as a
ritual, and there's a way to doit, in the sense that you keep
to your word.
You do it each day.
When you say you're going to doit for a certain amount of time
, and when honoring the promisesto yourself, you start to build
self-trust.
And the fact that thosepromises happen to also bring
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your subconscious forward, youcan start to rewire your brain
while you're building self-trust, with combining the back of
your head, your subconscious,with the front, which is like
your words, and so that's a lotof what we do in the one-on-one
program, the group program.
It's essentially the same thing, but we do it with a group with
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a different meaning behind it,in the sense that certain
elements of complex trauma onlyheal in relationship.
So for somebody who's reallylooking for one-on-one support
and is trying to go really deepand learn these practices, I
work with a lot of practitionersand facilitators who want to,
for example, develop theirintuitive abilities or clear
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their emotions or get emotionalstability or get personalized
support in their relationshipsor with their sexuality.
That's something that sometimespeople would prefer privacy for
and they like to go deeper into,whereas the group program it's
more about building a community,and same for retreats.
It's building community, it'sdeveloping creativity and
self-expression, which isrelevant in both, and it's about
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being in connection.
So the overall thesis of themodality is there's three points
of connection.
There's your connection withyourself, so self regulation,
knowing who you are, knowingyour triggers, knowing your
desires, boundaries, et cetera.
There's connection with other,that's co-regulation.
So in my one-on-one work that'sdone, you know, with me.
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And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
partners that could become dyads, or one with me.
And then there's and it's alsodone like one to many, so
there's a different sort ofenergy that happens when we're
working with a group.
And then there's one to insertword of your higher power, of
your choice higher power, god,universe, choose your language.
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So it's one, one to one, toyourself, to the other that's
either group or diets and to ahigher power.
There are three mainrelationships and so the
modality works to help clearemotions, regulate the nervous
system, develop self-awareawareness and heal in
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relationship.
So it's really particularlypowerful for people who struggle
with complex trauma and peoplewho are looking for a holistic,
more spiritually focusedapproach that's still rooted in
psychotherapy.
Furthermore, it's incrediblefor people who want to develop
their intuition, which is sortof these like clairvoyant,
clairaudient kind ofcapabilities, as well as people
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who want to develop theircreativity.
So I work with a lot ofmusicians, artists,
entrepreneurs, creatives, whoare stuck in some way and have
to work through theirsubconscious blocks in order to
expand their creativity, youknow, in, you know, which really
focuses on a lot of times theircareer, but doesn't have to be.
It could just be your creativeexpression as well.
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Um, and so yeah, complex trauma, sometimes it I've worked with
people with addiction, with it,right but mainly it's to support
your relationships, startingwith yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, and I think, obviously, coming from a
background of trauma andaddiction, I can understand the
addictive process is aseparation of a disconnect from
self, connect from self.
Obviously, trauma can be coreroots of that separation and
then maintaining it through theaddictive behaviors and again,
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whatever that, however, thatmanifests outward.
How do you see and again, Ilove this because this is really
what drew us together in thisconversation is because I love
that idea of it and so how say,if I'm coming with you, say I'm
extremely anxious, um, I'mextremely anxious person, say
we'll say if I'm coming with you, say I'm extremely anxious, I'm
an extremely anxious person,say we'll just play this out.
I'm coming to you and I'mreally interested in this
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program.
How would that benefit me?
Or how would you work with that?
When I'm saying I'm strugglingwith anxiety whether that be
general anxiety, heightenedanxieties I'm struggling in my
daily life, I have ruminatingthoughts, how can you
incorporate this treatmentaround it using this modality?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, so this modality is going to, first and
foremost, help you to regulateyour nervous system.
When you are struggling withanxiety, you need to lower your
cortisol, you need to regulate,you need to come into your body.
So that's the first andforemost, and that's done
through both the Kriyas and themovement practices and the
expressive art practices and indifferent you know, in different
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ways.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Which is a whole podcast in and of itself.
So we won't go there right now.
It's part two, but so numberone is to self-regulate.
Number two is building safetywith another.
So, depending on, like the, itreally depends on the stability
of the person.
You know whether they wouldbenefit from one-on-one or group
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work, but a lot of times groupwork can be really powerful
because when you'reco-regulating with an entire
group, the facilitator istypically the most dominant
energy in the space and thegroup entrains to the
facilitator.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And that's important because if the facilitator is
not dominating energetically inthe space, the group, different
power plays can kind of happenin it and then all of the focus
and energy goes there.
But that may not be the mostregulated nervous system that
everyone is now connecting with.
So it's really important thatthe facilitator is regulated and
calm and commands the space sothat the group regulates to them
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right um, and then in terms oflike connection with the divine
or higher power right.
I like to give a lot of freedomwith whatever language works for
you, absolutely.
It's really like the thing islike Not everyone has a desire
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to or has the sensitivities perse, I guess, to really develop
their intuition in this kind ofway, and not because they're not
capable of it as a human, butthey just may not have that.
It may not be their path.
They just might not beinterested.
However, what I've learned fromwalking that path has been that
the more you clear out all ofyour emotions, the more clear
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your intuition is going to be.
So really powerful energyhealers, if they are not
comfortable with anger orsadness, or even happiness or
anything of the full range ofhuman emotion, run.
They are not going to help you.
They're going to project all oftheir stuff all over you with
this combination of like kind ofintuitive hits and their own BS
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, whereas you want to go towardsenergy healers and intuitives
who have, who are comfortablewith the full range of emotion
because they're clearing it allthe time.
Because what happens when youhave these kinds of abilities is
that's why it gets so mixed upwith mental health is because a
lot of the symptoms of ignoringintuition look like mental
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illness.
So to speak.
So anxiety can be a result oftrauma, or complex trauma, which
is relational, or somethingthat's happened, or caffeine
overload, or you know somethingphysical.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
You can exhibit some anxioustype behaviors with
overstimulated, with caffeinefor sure.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Or you know whatever it is.
But as well, if you're on thispath and you're, you know you've
already chosen this path oflike healing and
self-development,self-development.
A lot of the time, what I'venoticed is that anxiety is sort
of.
You learn to work with thesenegative emotions because they
guide you to your intuition.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yes, yes, thank you so they're not like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They're actually your best friends.
You just have to learn how tospeak their language and if you
keep avoiding them or pushingthem away because they don't
feel good, it's going to make itworse, and then you're going to
be like sedated and all thesethings and like totally numbing
yourself out because you're justtrying to make the symptoms go
away as opposed to learning howto actually work with them.
So, regardless of if you wantto, you know, talk to the dead,
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it's not, it doesn't matterbecause, like, how far you take
your intuition, what matters isthat you take that path, because
it's the only path of your ownauthenticity and that's what's
going to help you heal.
Now, that being said, justbecause you're trusting your
intuition doesn't mean it'ssunshine and rainbows.
A lot of the times it can be,and synchronicities happen.
It's like, well, everything'smagical and I'm manifesting
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everything.
And sometimes, when we trustour intuition, like, can I curse
?
Yes, okay, I think I asked thatbefore.
Um, sometimes, when we trustour intuition, like shit hits
the fan and it can feel like wemade the wrong choice, but
actually it's the choice thatour soul needs to grow and
that's where developing yourcapacity to be with the full
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range of human emotion comes andit develops your intuition on a
deeper level, so that anxietydepending on where the emotions
add on their journey.
You're going to meet them wherethey're at Like.
If it's a really a social thingthat they can't go further than
we meet them there and we justregulate.
We come to the body.
We start here.
We start with the physical.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right, right, I know it wasn't a probably simple
question to answer, because it'sper individual and exactly what
they're needing and where theyare in that moment and kind of
creating the treatment planaround that individual instead
of like it's it's hard to takeit it's really per individual
and seeing where they are andenergetic where they are and
where they might be stuck, andthose things.
(20:53):
I love what you're talkingabout.
There's this interesting stuffthat I've and I guess the whole
idea of the altered states ofconsciousness around that.
What I was hearing and againyou know you can kind of put
your own words to this too isthat?
So if I'm coming in thepresenting is the anxiety We'll
just keep going with this storyand that idea of that altered
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states of consciousness isactually what I heard from is
actually seeing it from thisdeeper lens instead of the story
or what I understand of it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah it's all bottom up.
So in psychology there's termsfor any listeners top, down and
bottom up.
Top down is just like CBT let'schange our beliefs, change our
story.
It works to a degree, but whenwe're talking about trauma, it
doesn't.
Um, and we have to go bottom up.
We have to start with the bodyand the breath.
That's and that's where thesealtered states come in is like
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you get access to the imaginalrealm, which is often the
subconscious, and like whateverother dimensional worlds you're
accessing and I mean essentially, that could all be a part of
your subconscious or justconnecting to the field but
going into that state gives youthe ability to rewire, because
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your subconscious is coming upso that you have awareness of it
and then it's being released.
So, that's how you start to healis by becoming aware, not by,
like telling your story amillion times, but simply
becoming aware and releasing itand feeling anything that comes
with it and just allowing thatprocess, like bubbles, going to
the top of the right, and sothat process of going into that
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state, when you're in that youknow liminal space you actually
are a lot more vulnerable.
That's why when people gethypnotized like you can rewire
they can rewire their thoughtsit's because they're in one of
those states and you can takeyourself essentially into that
state.
Rewire your belief system byreleasing.
If your subconscious is holdingonto a belief, you're not going
to just like pat something elseon top of it, Like that's not
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going to help you.
Your subconscious is going tobe like no, this, I don't
believe you.
But if your subconscious comesup and like releases it, then
you can bring in a new beliefand that's how you rewire your
brain.
And this is powerful in ourrelationships, especially
whether it's like healing familyrelationships or romantic
relationships or personaldevelopment, Because I mean,
with so many clients, I watchthem heal.
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Because this energy that wework with in Tantra yoga it's
called Kundalini, but it's veryrelated to our.
It is our life force energy andit's very related to our sexual
energy, so which is veryrelated to our creative energy.
And so in that state, that'swhere all your creativity comes
from, that's where yourintuition comes from and that's
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where your creativity comes from, and so, by learning how to
become a master of those states,you start to master your
intuition, you start to masteryour creativity and therefore
you start to master your lifeforce, and that shows up in our
relationships.
It shows up in leaving toxicrelationships or setting
boundaries or changing thedynamic.
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When you have more of a pausein your brain, you have more
space between your reactions,you have more choices to respond
differently, not because it'slike a performance you're doing,
but because it's genuine.
You genuinely are like oh, I'mgoing to pause and breathe for a
second.
How do I want to respond tothis?
And that gets easier and easierthe more you do it over time.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely see how this can work
.
Obviously, I love how youplaced it was obviously self and
then in relation, becauseespecially when you come to
relationships and that'sromantic or not, but primarily
when there's a romanticinvestment in this person, so
we're in a romantic relationshipa lot is at stake, right, a lot
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of that.
Those parts start to revealthemselves.
It's like that the hall ofmirrors starts to get presented,
right, and I can see thebenefit of that when we can tap
into your own self-awareness.
That's why it starts with theself to bring more awareness of
what might be playing itself outhere, of course, what might be
playing with our own stuff, andtapping into that field to bring
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more information in instead ofthe ideas, the frame that we're
seeing from right.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, exactly Like it can give you an entirely new
perspective, and that's what Ilove about the word altered
states.
On one hand, it's literallylike going into an altered state
of consciousness.
But on the other hand, it'sliterally like transforming your
perspective, transforming yourstate of mind.
So when you kind of go in andcome back, you are automatically
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going to have a new perspectivebecause you just had an
experience.
There's only so much we can sayabout it.
It's something that has to beexperienced.
It's like being in a dreamwhere somebody's taking
psychedelics.
It's like taking psychedelics.
And then you come back andyou're you, but you have a shift
, something changed.
That's a real transformation,and that's what gives you a new
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outlook on how to respond, aswell as the pauses in between.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Right, I heard there's more information and
this is and I think you and Ishare very similar thoughts.
I do love the bottom upapproach.
I mean, you know anintellectual understanding.
It's great, brings awareness,it's, it's a needed thing.
But I think, specifically whenyou're working on the trauma
lens, that we could use that arethese really deep wounds,
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working with the body andworking upward, as more
information is actuallytraveling up, going up?
This is what I heard.
It's like more information isgoing up from that brain.
You know chinese talks aboutthe brain, our gut, gut, and
information and serotonin moveup and more information than
information moving down.
And really I guess the wordwould be is embodying and
(26:47):
understanding that experience ona deeper level, beyond the
intellectual understanding of it, but from a more feeling state
of being.
It's a deeper, it brings moredepth to our understanding.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, well, our body is our subconscious mind.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So everything like as an intuitive like, I can look
at how somebody is, I can justlook how somebody is like
physically in my presence andknow things that they're not
necessarily telling me butthey're very clearly telling me
because that's a language that Ispeak and that's a language
that everybody can learn how todevelop, and it's not to like
(27:26):
make things confusing, but it'sactually to promote more of a
relationship with other humansthat's based on truth and love,
because love only actuallyflourishes when we're honest.
And so why have, like?
You know, many people can puton this whole performance, but
their subconscious is sayingsomething different and,
depending on the level ofawareness of other people,
(27:48):
they're either by theperformance and most of us do,
because we want to like respectwhat somebody's telling us right
, or they like sense what's notbeing said.
And so my philosophy with thiswork, because I they like sense
what's not being said, and so myphilosophy with this work,
because I'm always sensingwhat's not being said.
It's why don't we just say whatneeds to be said and learn how
to say it in a way that's lovingand connected and respectful to
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ourselves and in full trust ofour higher power of like?
Our path is a verticalrelationship and people are here
to walk alongside us, but ourdevotion is, you know, is our
devotion is kind of universal.
It's not overly into one otherperson expecting some level of
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perfection from them, becauseit's impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Right, I love that.
Yeah, it brings more.
It brings more into ourrelationships Again relationship
with self, first, primary, andthen relationship.
And that's where thatco-regulation starts to happen.
Because in relation, again, youknow, you know understanding,
and if you're looking from earlychildhood development and
understanding it from that lens,that was our co-regulation.
(28:55):
Right, we're not understandingwords.
People are saying we'reunderstanding the energy, we're
understanding their body.
Um, I, I once heard, you know,kids look at the pupil.
They're always looking in youreyes because they're looking at
your pupil and they can see youremotional state of being.
So, kids, and this is oursurvival, we needed to.
So this was our first languagecoming into existence and, of
(29:16):
course, obviously throughdevelopmental, we kind of lose
connection to that, especiallyif there's trauma and attachment
, wounds and stuff like that.
We kind of disconnectunconsciously.
So the body becomes theunconscious, and now we're
really stuck on this.
So the body becomes theunconscious, and now we're
really stuck on this.
I love that you used the wordvertical, because I love that we
live on this very horizontalplane past future, our thinking
past future.
(29:36):
And that can be very misleadingbecause we're taking these past
traumas or wounds and we don'tknow we're interjecting them in
the present moment and becausewe're not living in the vertical
plane, we're not rooted, we'renot living vertically, we're
interjecting them in the presentmoment.
And because we're not living inthe vertical plane, we're not
rooted, we're not livingvertically, we're living very
horizontally, which affects life, because then we're not really
(29:58):
experiencing life in itsentirety, we're experiencing a
very fragment of existence.
But that reality is allinterpretation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Exactly and like to add to the developmental piece.
I mean, children are in a thetawave state from zero to seven,
and we may have already talkedabout that, but so exactly what
you're describing, I mean in avery literal way.
They're only experiencingenergy and, exactly like you
said, like as people we justlike we disconnect from it
because attachment becomes moreimportant than authenticity.
(30:27):
My path and this modality thatI've worked for seven years
creating has been about takingpeople back to their
authenticity, to go into thatstate so they can get the truth
and start to trust that truthbecause that is the truth and
have more faith in their higherpower and their ability to
self-regulate and their abilityto healthfully connect than in
(30:50):
their attachment.
Because if attachment is rulingthe game, exactly like you said
, it's this very horizontalrelationship and you're not
seeing the full picture.
You're just seeing your ownstaff getting in the way, and it
doesn't mean that it's not real, it's just that it's not
everything.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, it's not the whole, it's half of what the
reality is right.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, exactly, it's true in the emotional and
personal and social sense, butit's not true in the energetic
and spiritual sense.
And some people can go so farto the other side and be only in
these very esoteric truths andthey're sort of like la la la,
all is one, and they're veryungrounded.
And it's also not a way to live.
(31:30):
They typically have no money,they can't hold a job, they
can't hold a relationship,because their lives fall apart,
because they're in this reallyhigh energetic state all the
time, but you can't be there allthe time.
It's mastering energy.
It's about being able to gointo that state and come back to
this social and emotional realmthis and come back to this
social and emotional realm, thishorizontal.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, that's right, you play between people and
horizontal.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You don't stick to one or the other as some truth,
it's both.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It is both.
It's the human and the being ofus all, and you need both.
We need to exist on this plane.
This is where the lessons areat.
I'm very good in the cosmos.
I know how to dance there allday long.
I just can't exist there allday long because there's no
lessons there.
The lessons are in the exchange, in this human form that we all
(32:15):
have to exist in.
So I do agree with that becauseit's not absent of that.
I always used to, you know, Iused to laugh and again, it's
great marketing text.
I used to see these shirts orthese bumper stickers or
something like that.
It was like your ego is notyour amigo, I'm like well, it
should be actually, because wewant to understand the
mechanisms of how that works andthis idea of it's a great
(32:36):
servant, but it's notnecessarily a great master,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, and that's where, like, meditation
becomes so powerful in terms oflike, creating those gaps that I
was talking about earlier,because who's the one who's
experiencing this, who's the onewho's witnessing it, who's the
one having the social andemotional experience that's very
real, and who's the oneexperiencing these profound
truths?
And you know information comingfrom, you know the field, like
(33:00):
that's equally true, but but Ithink you know some people who,
many people who get stuck in,like the new age community or
the spiritual space, get so intothe vertical they get pulled,
yep whereas others get sofocused on the emotional and
like human and mastery is who'sthe one, who's in, who's right,
(33:21):
who's like holding the reinshere?
yeah?
He's able to go to do both,because that's who you are
absolutely and loving and I knowthat.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Sorry, did I just cut you off with what you're saying
, just so you feel complete withwhat you're to go to do, both
because that's who you areAbsolutely and loving, and I
know that.
Sorry, did I just cut you offwith what you're saying Just so
you feel complete with whatyou're saying, because it was
valid and it was important tohear.
And I think, speaking of and Iknow you do it with movement and
that's the dance.
The dance is this navigationbetween the human of who we are
(33:45):
and the being of who we are, andknowing the fluidity of this
beautiful dance that happensright, we can't lean too far on
the being and we can't lean toofar in the human.
So it's like how do we navigate?
When is it?
And I think that's what you'rebringing into your program,
which is so beautiful that's whyI was really excited to discuss
that further with you isbecause the mastery of that and
(34:09):
and I think that's what yourprogram is really bringing the
mastery of the recognition ofwhere are we in this life, of
are we too leaning here?
Are we too leaning here?
And you can pull from it.
So if I'm leaning too far onthis side, I can pull from this
other side, and if I'm leaningtoo here, I have to pull from
this other side, because there'ssome truth to that where I and
(34:32):
I'm just going to have to justsay that, acknowledging me when
I was really diving into a lotof this work too.
Yeah, I would do the spiritualbypassing right.
I would pull from this, youknow, and there's beauty in that
and there is healing in that,so I don't want to ever dismiss
it.
All are welcome.
But it can lead to more of abypassing, where I can write
everything off and just give itto that where I'm.
(34:54):
Then I'm not really integratingthe lessons that I'm supposed
to learn from that, you know, orthe deeper understanding of
that.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, like I grew up in a Buddhist temple partially
like my dad was a part of it.
Up in a Buddhist templepartially my dad was a part of
it and so a lot of the teachingsI grew up with, these teachings
and the teaching of the Buddhais the middle path.
He was this king and all thisluxuries and then he went off
for seven years as a totalascetic, fasting, completely
(35:26):
nothingness, and then a womangave him.
A woman gave him keel, which isthis like rice pudding, sweet
meal, and that's kind of when itclicked for him.
He's like it's not all one,it's not all of this like
hedonism, and it's also not allasceticism, it's something in
the middle.
How do we do both?
And that's I'm so, so gratefulfor that upbringing because I
(35:49):
really I mean, I went to both.
I was like New York city, I wasacting, it was modeling, it was
party girl, like all of itLived that lifestyle.
Lived it, mastered it solid.
And then to the other side,which was like.
I was total aesthetic.
I like lived on like a hundreddollars a monthhiked out of my
hip, my hammock, and like, livedin ashrams for years and years
(36:11):
and years, meditating six toeleven hours a day so it was
like both are pretty extreme andthen finding the middle path
has actually been the mosthealing, because it's like you
actually want to and the middlepath, I think, is just somewhere
between that horizontalrelationship and the sorry that
that's vertical, the verticalrelationship and the horizontal
(36:32):
one.
Because it's like you have,it's the mastery over it.
It's not diving into one or theother.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Correct.
Yeah, that's what I really wascalled to have people really
hear about this craft and thismodality that you're putting
together.
To have people really hearabout this craft and this
modality that you're puttingtogether because it really for
me, I think and I think itsounds like you're in agreeance
to this and I use my ownlanguage too it's like really
within the four wisdom bodies ofself, right, when we're
(37:04):
treating the whole being, it'slike that body, the emotional
self, the mental self and thespiritual self, it's like the
four chambers of the heart allexist in our wholeness and
obviously, through life'sexperiences whether that's early
childhood or PTSD, you know,later in life these parts become
almost fragmented from thewhole.
And so we, you know, as a guideand working in this field, what
I'm hearing you saying is it'simportant to work with all of
(37:26):
these parts of you.
To come back, we can't justlook at it and understand it on
an intellectual, although thatdoes give clarity.
We have to work with all of it.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, like
everything I do with my clientsis so rooted in parts work,
because going into this liminalspace allows you to meet those
parts and it allows you to buildrelationships with those parts.
Because the deeper you go intothis modality we start with the
gross and we get more subtle.
So we start with the self andthe other other humans and then
(38:00):
the divine right, but as you getmore subtle you realize that's
all inside of you and not inlike an all is one kumbaya way,
although maybe, but in a, in avery real psychological healing
way of like that's how you healtrauma of within us.
We have all these differentparts that we regulate ourselves
.
As we regulate ourselves, ourinner person, because our inner
(38:21):
adult becomes more mature andcan relate with these different
parts of ourselves in the waythey needed to be met that's
right you can start to meetthose needs of all those other
parts and you can bring inguardian angels or helper,
guides or whoever is supportiveto you and you can work in these
imaginal realms with yourguides, with the parts of you,
(38:41):
with your adult self, with yourfuture self, with your inner
child, all of these things.
And that all happens on thisimaginal realm, in the liminal
space.
And that's essentially theintention of going into the
state.
We have to meet people wherethey're at.
It's first about just teachingyou how to go into this state
and practicing thoserelationships in the physical,
(39:02):
because as you get more matureemotionally and spiritually and
start to get a more intimateunderstanding of this process,
you replicate that processwithin yourself with your own
parts, and that's actuallyreally how you heal complex
trauma, which is something thatis not like.
It's still so new, it's noteven in the DSM yet.
So it's relational, chronictrauma.
(39:23):
This is not like one thinghappened to me and now I'm
traumatized.
This is like this relationshipwas consistently abusive and I
have firm beliefs about who I ambecause of that, and that's why
I stay in toxic relationshipsor I'm not attracting what I
want or expectancy.
This is how you change thatstuff, not just, oh, I go in my
subconscious and reprogram it,but like you really need to go
(39:44):
in your subconscious and healand those relationships inside
of yourself and connect to your,your guidance system inside.
I always tell people that thisis like building your own
internal gps system, like I havea personal best friend that
gives me information all thetime and it's, it's inside of me
and it guides my whole life soeveryone should have this, I
(40:05):
mean we do so.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
so so, true lex, you know it is so, because then we
just kind of keep repeating andregurgitating that same pattern
with ourself, right, we, we arethe ones that neglected ourself.
Now, I, always we I talk aboutthat because I love parts work
too and this idea is that I'mthe perpetrator.
Now, right, like I'm the onecontinuing the trauma quote
(40:28):
unquote trauma where I'mabandoning, I'm neglecting, and
it's because of the relationalor lack of relational
relationship that I have withthose parts and understanding
them and understanding theirneeds and understanding them and
showing up for them, I haveabandoned them, right?
So, if you look at addiction initself, we talk about where
(40:48):
it's like the abandonment ofself, and so I'm hurting myself
or reaching out for these verytoxic relationships.
By the way, it's allrelationship.
You're in a relationship withyour substance, right?
You're in a relationship.
We are always in relation withpeople, places and things, right
, and everything that goes inwithin that.
So did you want any say?
(41:10):
Well, first of all, amazingwork that you are doing.
And this is what really excitesme, because what really drew me
to have this discussion withyou was in the brief
conversation we had and becauseit's very similar language.
I love that you pull in thesedifferent parts of self and I
love the idea of an alteredstates of consciousness, because
(41:33):
I think that's truly what we're.
You know, that's where we'reseeking in ways and are acting
out in the dysfunctions,whatever that dysfunction quote,
unquote might be.
And how you incorporate thebody with that, how you
incorporate, you know,spirituality with that.
You know the mental, theemotional, because, yes, we have
(41:54):
to.
You know, working with thewhole being is how we heal and
trusting we already haveeverything we need, we really
have, but sometimes, right, weneed to be directed.
And did you see it this way?
What is that like?
And having that person kind ofland there for themselves.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And depending on where you're at in your healing
journey and actually always,especially when we're talking
about complex trauma like it'sand I'm really passionate about
it because it defines so much ofa person's personality but it's
not really who they are.
But it's like by unpacking ityou get this whole new life and
new relationships and a lifethat you get real transformation
(42:33):
for people who thought lifecould only ever be one way.
But it's also, and it's alsojust been, a big part of my
journey.
But what's amazing is like it'swhen something breaks in
relationship, it actually needsto heal in relationship.
This is all I'm just teaching.
I tell people I love people fora living and I'm just teaching
people how to love, becausethat's really it, like it's what
(42:55):
is love.
How do we do it?
How do we relate with others inthis way, in a real way?
in a way that like exactly likeyou were saying earlier when
you're talking about likesometimes we're the perpetrator,
sometimes we're the perpetratorit requires a certain degree of
self-awareness and humility andability to do what's called
shadow work, and what I call isthe ability to feel the full
range of human emotion.
Can you be okay with being theperpetrator?
(43:16):
Sometimes we are, sometimes wedo abusive things, especially if
we were abused, but if we'reunwilling to recognize that,
you're never going to change itand it's going to continue to
happen subconsciously and you'regoing to continue to wonder
what's going on in myrelationships when the reality
is.
The more you get comfortablebeing humble and looking at the
(43:38):
full range of human emotion andjust being an acceptance of it,
being acceptance of who you are,the easier it's going to be to
work with those parts and reallysee a transformation in your
life.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Correct, absolutely.
I yes, I just want to pausethere because that was just
beautiful information, so letthat sit for a little bit.
Coming early on this game, myclinical director says we get
here in relation, we heal inrelation, and I thought you know
, and obviously during my pathit reigns more.
True, and this is kind ofreally speaking to what you just
(44:17):
mentioned is that, and I lovethat, if the ability to be
willing to accept that part, orwilling to accept in the motions
of that part and sit withinthat at first acknowledge that
If we don't right, I think if wedon't what landed when you said
this and we continue to livefrom a victim mentality, very
(44:38):
unconsciously, right, we can seeourselves as a victim of
everything.
And when the victim thenbecomes the abuser in ways
abusive of self and abusive toothers, right, so it it's a very
low frequency of a vibration,oh oh, I got it anyway.
(44:59):
So, um so, how do and I'll andI'll have all your information
available for people if you'revery interested how you can get
in contact with Lexi.
And are you doing anything oryou have anything going on right
now?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yep.
So I have my one-on-one program, which is six months.
It's a high-ticket offer.
If people are interested, theycan go to my website,
lexifaithcom, and book adiscovery call.
There's always an opportunityto get a Vedic astrology reading
or an intuitive session with me.
That's also on the same website, lexiefaithcom.
(45:37):
And if you're interested injoining the wait list for a
group program I'm launchingusing this modality, I would say
reach out to me either viaemail on my website at
lexiefaithcom or on Instagram atthelexiefaith.
You can send me a DM, let meknow that you're interested in
being on the wait list and I canget you on there.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Beautiful, yeah, and I'll have that already available
.
So if you don't have to writeall that down, I'll put that
available for people in thecaptions so they can really have
a direct link to you.
Um, I love this work, lex.
I love what you're doing andhow I could really see the
deeper benefits of causingchange individually and
obviously, in relationships andum.
(46:22):
So I just want to thank you somuch for describing this
beautiful thing that you arecreating and, yeah, I'll have
all that information foreveryone.
Give her a call, even if it'sjust for a discovery call, right
.
See if it lines up with you andsee where you're at.
You might not see where youmight be blocked, and she can
help point that out to you.
(46:43):
I mean, that's what we need.
I always say I'm on the wrongside of my face.
I need people to show me me.
So anyway, lexi, thank you fortaking the time and I hope to
talk again.
We might have to have a parttwo as this keeps going on,
because there's probably, fromall of what you just said, I
could probably pull five otherepisodes out of that.
Tell me more about that.
Tell me more about that.
(47:03):
So I'm really excited to seethis keep continuing to happen.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Please let me know what you think of this episode.
Please leave reviews like it.
It really helps with otherpeople getting informed of this,
because maybe it will help themas well.
My name is Shane.
We need to come.
The overall thesis of the modality is there's three
points of connection.
There's your connection withyourself, so self-regulation,
knowing who you are, knowingyour triggers, knowing your
desires, boundaries, et cetera.
There's connection with other,that's co-regulation.
So in my one-on-one work that'sdone with me.
And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
(00:23):
partners that could become dyadsor with me.
And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
partners that could become dyadsor one with me.
And then there's and it's alsodone like one to many, so
there's a different sort ofenergy that happens when we're
working with a group, and thenthere's one to insert word of
your higher power, of yourchoice.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So hi everybody.
This is man Uncaved Again.
My name is Shane Coyle.
Welcome to today's episode.
I'm loving this discussion, sofirst let me introduce my guest
today.
This is Lexi Faith.
Lexi Faith is an expression arttherapist, yoga teacher,
tantric teacher, meditationteacher, reiki masteriki, master
(01:06):
and mediumship.
Did I get all that?
Right, yes, so first let's talkabout what really was your
first understanding in and thiswork of tantra meditation,
spirituality was always raisedin a very like spiritual and
creative household.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
My dad went an awakening when I was born so
there was a lot of umintellectual conversation and
like there was a lot ofteachings around various
esoteric practices, everythingfrom like wicca to buddhism.
He became a buddhist disciplein the shaolin temple when I was
a kid and it's been a part ofthat space my whole life and
(01:47):
Tantra, magic I mean astrologyeverything I really learned from
him or the books he had aroundor the interesting people he had
around started doing astrology,I think when I was like seven.
Like I would like go to all ofthese like family not family,
but like these like uh, dinnerparties they would throw and
like just go around gettingeverybody's birthday and like
looking at all the books.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I love that I went to .
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I grew up in new york city where there I went to
specialized arts schools frommiddle school and high school
and you have to like audition toget in and there's a whole
process to it and, um, I hadalways been a visual artist and
a writer like that was alwaysthere.
And then I started dancing.
I loved to sing but I was veryshy, and I loved performing, but
I was very, very shy, and so ittook a long time for my
(02:33):
teachers to start to see, okay,she has something, and start to
give me more opportunities.
And then I started to fall inlove with acting and dance and
music, but I never shared itprofessionally.
But I got into acting andacting actually brought me on a
deeply shamanic journey.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Could you tell us a little bit more about what those
practices were to understand,more about what that was like
for you?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The practices that I would learn about how to work
with my imagination and thesomatic experience and my breath
and my voice and my body, andhow to use or even like,
manipulate the emotions or theenergy in my body to express
itself a certain way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Tell us a little bit more about that and manipulating
that emotional energy withinyour body.
I think that's quiteinteresting.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I would feel the energy in my body somewhere, I
could feel an emotion and Icould change my perspective and
how the energy was going to beexpressed.
I thought that every humanbeing on the planet was doing
this and I was like a teenager,so I was learning and catching
up.
I literally didn't know thatthis was not like a thing that
people were doing and itactually launched this whole
(03:47):
awakening process for me, reallyyoung.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, it sounds like you were really young growing up
in that, but also the earlyconditioning it sounds like with
dad and being open and havingthese books.
When did you in your life startto really embrace this and
really come out with thespiritual closet, if you will?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I came out of the spiritual closet when I was in
my 20s.
I definitely didn't tell anyonewhat was going on.
But in this process of what Iwould do with my emotion and my
breath and my body and my voice,and how I could, I learned that
I could reprogram mysubconscious by repeating things
through acting, because you'rerepeating the lines all the time
(04:25):
and the more that you'resubconscious, the more the
acting can actually come through, more the character.
And then I learned that that wasactually something with NLP it
was.
It was that much later.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so it was really the practice of that, and then
all this like modalities kind offit into this deeper
understanding that you alreadyhad, kind of the foundation of
that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Exactly.
I got a master's degree inexpressive art therapy to
essentially validate what I hadalready learned and understood
that had come to me through myown catharsis, using music,
dance, acting, writing andillustration or drawing or art.
Um, but it was until when I was24, I went through this.
(05:04):
I had shut things down.
I had started exploring alteredstates of consciousness through
substances and partying andthrough like absolutely a whole
other part of their way to getthere.
And when I was 24, I think whenI was 23 is when I got sober A
lot of it was really because myspiritual practice got so
(05:25):
serious and I just knew Icouldn't do both anymore.
I realized that, okay, likemaybe I had taken things too far
and I was already seeing a lotof my friends in and out of
rehab and I could see that, likethat path, even with, many of
my friends were very creativeand have become very successful
as creatives, just as many arejust as creative and some were
(05:46):
even just as successful andended up overdosing or
struggling in and out of rehab.
Or I just I was just surroundedby addiction because I started
to see that there was this linkwith creativity and and
substances and this I was likewell, the arts give us this
opportunity to go beyond.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh yeah, I definitely agree.
I think the arts in themselves,creativity really taps into
this very subconscious place andwithin that subconscious it
could be this altered states ofconsciousness.
You're tapping into source andall that.
Now you mentioned earliersomething about intuition and
talking about it from your ownperspective.
(06:25):
Can you tell us a little bitmore about intuition?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
These abilities, the ability of intuition, and
personally I have clairvoyance,claircognizance, clairaudience
I'll explain them andclartendency.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And clairsentience.
So clairvoyance is when you'reseeing things, you get visions.
Clairaudience is voices.
That's my strongest one.
I hear voices.
I get clear tangency, which isalso very strong for me, which
is when I touch somebody, I cango into their field.
I can see, I can hear, I getinformation completely from
touching them.
Clear sentience is like it's afeeling, it's a felt sense in
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your body.
That's a pretty common one thatdevelops for a lot of people.
And the last one is clearcognizance, which is knowing
things, about knowing it.
This one is also, I think, verypowerful.
I think a little side note onthat one is, I think, with
children who are really gifted,you'll see it there because
they'll know the answers tothings.
For example, I think I wasreally good at math because of
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that good at school, because Iwas able to know these things
without knowing how I knew them.
So I think that, like my beliefsystem is that children are all
very intuitive, and it's alsobacked by science.
Children are in a theta wavestate until they're seven years
old.
Is exactly what going toaltered states is?
It's going to a theta state,going to a gamma state, right,
(07:44):
which I'll explain what that isso and that's and that's, and
just correct me really quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Let me pause you there because I understand this
and in dapping into the thetabrain waves, right.
So this lower brain frequencyis really where this to my
understanding and correct me ifI'm wrong but this understanding
of where your subconsciousreally in alignment and
communicating with the consciousmind, right.
So that's where a lot ofreprogramming, right, when we go
into a deep meditative state,this is before you drop into
(08:09):
your sleep state, this is whenyou're waking up in the morning.
You're in really acommunication with this
subconscious mind, where there'sa lot of ability to reprogram
and bring new information andcreate new language there.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely Great and it's something that as adults we
typically don't go into anymore.
But there are different kindsof practices that will take you
into it and children untilthey're seven and even into
their teenage years.
They're kind of in differentstates, but from zero to seven
they are just always in a thetastate.
So what that means is they'revery connected to their
(08:43):
intuition.
Zero to seven, they are justalways in a theta state.
So what that means is they'revery connected to their
intuition.
What happens in those years?
It's a lot of conditioning fromfamily culture, and that
conditioning just likedissociates them from their
intuition.
We learn a set of behaviors asopposed to trusting their innate
ability.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, I agree and this is you know, in the area
that I work in and I know thatyou work in as well when we see
the behaviors, and underneaththese behaviors are these belief
systems and these conditioningsfrom these early childhood
experiences that are reallyfused within that subconscious.
So, lexi, tell me more aboutthis altered states of
(09:21):
consciousness.
What is it?
A program, this modality you'recreating?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, so I've created a modality that combines the
expressive art therapies withKriya Yoga specifically, which
is a tantric practice, workingwith mantras, repetitive
movements and breath to createkind of like a moving meditation
that takes you into an alteredstate.
And I combine that with ritualsand expressive arts, which also
(09:49):
work with bilateral stimulation, which is what EMDR is.
That's what you're doing withEMDR, or different practices
like that Somatic experiencing,and different creative practices
that are intentionally designedto take you into intuition or
work with different emotions,and so I combine these two
(10:10):
together to create a modalityand this is what I share and
this is I call it altered statesand this is what I share with
my one-on-one clients and aswell as in retreats and group
programs.
So the one-on-one clients getreally specialized care.
They get initiated into Vedicmeditation, tantra yoga, kriya
(10:33):
yoga.
They get Vedic astrologyreadings.
They'll get because I'm also anintuitive, which means I go
into these states and like talkto people who've passed away, or
guides or you know, move energyor things like that.
I offer those sessions with myone-on-one clients in the
program that we do, as well asdifferent sadhanas and a sadhana
(10:54):
is a spiritual practice thatyou do kind of like daily, as a
ritual, and there's a way to doit, in the sense that you keep
to your word.
You do it each day.
When you say you're going to doit for a certain amount of time
, and when honoring the promisesto yourself, you start to build
self-trust.
And the fact that thosepromises happen to also bring
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your subconscious forward, youcan start to rewire your brain
while you're building self-trust, with combining the back of
your head, your subconscious,with the front, which is like
your words, and so that's a lotof what we do in the one-on-one
program, the group program.
It's essentially the same thing, but we do it with a group with
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a different meaning behind it,in the sense that certain
elements of complex trauma onlyheal in relationship.
So for somebody who's reallylooking for one-on-one support
and is trying to go really deepand learn these practices, I
work with a lot of practitionersand facilitators who want to,
for example, develop theirintuitive abilities or clear
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their emotions or get emotionalstability or get personalized
support in their relationshipsor with their sexuality.
That's something that sometimespeople would prefer privacy for
and they like to go deeper into,whereas the group program it's
more about building a community,and same for retreats.
It's building community, it'sdeveloping creativity and
self-expression, which isrelevant in both, and it's about
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being in connection.
So the overall thesis of themodality is there's three points
of connection.
There's your connection withyourself, so self regulation,
knowing who you are, knowingyour triggers, knowing your
desires, boundaries, et cetera.
There's connection with other,that's co-regulation.
So in my one-on-one work that'sdone, you know, with me.
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And then in the group work it'sdone either with different
partners that could become dyads, or one with me.
And then there's and it's alsodone like one to many, so
there's a different sort ofenergy that happens when we're
working with a group.
And then there's one to insertword of your higher power, of
your choice higher power, god,universe, choose your language.
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So it's one, one to one, toyourself, to the other that's
either group or diets and to ahigher power.
There are three mainrelationships and so the
modality works to help clearemotions, regulate the nervous
system, develop self-awareawareness and heal in
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relationship.
So it's really particularlypowerful for people who struggle
with complex trauma and peoplewho are looking for a holistic,
more spiritually focusedapproach that's still rooted in
psychotherapy.
Furthermore, it's incrediblefor people who want to develop
their intuition, which is sortof these like clairvoyant,
clairaudient kind ofcapabilities, as well as people
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who want to develop theircreativity.
So I work with a lot ofmusicians, artists,
entrepreneurs, creatives, whoare stuck in some way and have
to work through theirsubconscious blocks in order to
expand their creativity, youknow, in, you know, which really
focuses on a lot of times theircareer, but doesn't have to be.
It could just be your creativeexpression as well.
(14:15):
Um, and so yeah, complex trauma, sometimes it I've worked with
people with addiction, with it,right but mainly it's to support
your relationships, startingwith yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, and I think, obviously, coming from a
background of trauma andaddiction, I can understand the
addictive process is aseparation of a disconnect from
self, connect from self.
Obviously, trauma can be coreroots of that separation and
then maintaining it through theaddictive behaviors and again,
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whatever that, however, thatmanifests outward.
How do you see and again, Ilove this because this is really
what drew us together in thisconversation is because I love
that idea of it and so how say,if I'm coming with you, say I'm
extremely anxious, um, I'mextremely anxious person, say
we'll say if I'm coming with you, say I'm extremely anxious, I'm
an extremely anxious person,say we'll just play this out.
I'm coming to you and I'mreally interested in this
(15:11):
program.
How would that benefit me?
Or how would you work with that?
When I'm saying I'm strugglingwith anxiety whether that be
general anxiety, heightenedanxieties I'm struggling in my
daily life, I have ruminatingthoughts, how can you
incorporate this treatmentaround it using this modality?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, so this modality is going to, first and
foremost, help you to regulateyour nervous system.
When you are struggling withanxiety, you need to lower your
cortisol, you need to regulate,you need to come into your body.
So that's the first andforemost, and that's done
through both the Kriyas and themovement practices and the
expressive art practices and indifferent you know, in different
(15:53):
ways.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Which is a whole podcast in and of itself.
So we won't go there right now.
It's part two, but so numberone is to self-regulate.
Number two is building safetywith another.
So, depending on, like the, itreally depends on the stability
of the person.
You know whether they wouldbenefit from one-on-one or group
(16:15):
work, but a lot of times groupwork can be really powerful
because when you'reco-regulating with an entire
group, the facilitator istypically the most dominant
energy in the space and thegroup entrains to the
facilitator.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And that's important because if the facilitator is
not dominating energetically inthe space, the group, different
power plays can kind of happenin it and then all of the focus
and energy goes there.
But that may not be the mostregulated nervous system that
everyone is now connecting with.
So it's really important thatthe facilitator is regulated and
calm and commands the space sothat the group regulates to them
(16:54):
right um, and then in terms oflike connection with the divine
or higher power right.
I like to give a lot of freedomwith whatever language works for
you, absolutely.
It's really like the thing islike Not everyone has a desire
(17:15):
to or has the sensitivities perse, I guess, to really develop
their intuition in this kind ofway, and not because they're not
capable of it as a human, butthey just may not have that.
It may not be their path.
They just might not beinterested.
However, what I've learned fromwalking that path has been that
the more you clear out all ofyour emotions, the more clear
(17:38):
your intuition is going to be.
So really powerful energyhealers, if they are not
comfortable with anger orsadness, or even happiness or
anything of the full range ofhuman emotion, run.
They are not going to help you.
They're going to project all oftheir stuff all over you with
this combination of like kind ofintuitive hits and their own BS
(17:59):
, whereas you want to go towardsenergy healers and intuitives
who have, who are comfortablewith the full range of emotion
because they're clearing it allthe time.
Because what happens when youhave these kinds of abilities is
that's why it gets so mixed upwith mental health is because a
lot of the symptoms of ignoringintuition look like mental
(18:21):
illness.
So to speak.
So anxiety can be a result oftrauma, or complex trauma, which
is relational, or somethingthat's happened, or caffeine
overload, or you know somethingphysical.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
You can exhibit some anxioustype behaviors with
overstimulated, with caffeinefor sure.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Or you know whatever it is.
But as well, if you're on thispath and you're, you know you've
already chosen this path oflike healing and
self-development,self-development.
A lot of the time, what I'venoticed is that anxiety is sort
of.
You learn to work with thesenegative emotions because they
guide you to your intuition.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yes, yes, thank you so they're not like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They're actually your best friends.
You just have to learn how tospeak their language and if you
keep avoiding them or pushingthem away because they don't
feel good, it's going to make itworse, and then you're going to
be like sedated and all thesethings and like totally numbing
yourself out because you're justtrying to make the symptoms go
away as opposed to learning howto actually work with them.
So, regardless of if you wantto, you know, talk to the dead,
(19:29):
it's not, it doesn't matterbecause, like, how far you take
your intuition, what matters isthat you take that path, because
it's the only path of your ownauthenticity and that's what's
going to help you heal.
Now, that being said, justbecause you're trusting your
intuition doesn't mean it'ssunshine and rainbows.
A lot of the times it can be,and synchronicities happen.
It's like, well, everything'smagical and I'm manifesting
(19:50):
everything.
And sometimes, when we trustour intuition, like, can I curse
?
Yes, okay, I think I asked thatbefore.
Um, sometimes, when we trustour intuition, like shit hits
the fan and it can feel like wemade the wrong choice, but
actually it's the choice thatour soul needs to grow and
that's where developing yourcapacity to be with the full
(20:11):
range of human emotion comes andit develops your intuition on a
deeper level, so that anxietydepending on where the emotions
add on their journey.
You're going to meet them wherethey're at Like.
If it's a really a social thingthat they can't go further than
we meet them there and we justregulate.
We come to the body.
We start here.
We start with the physical.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right, right, I know it wasn't a probably simple
question to answer, because it'sper individual and exactly what
they're needing and where theyare in that moment and kind of
creating the treatment planaround that individual instead
of like it's it's hard to takeit it's really per individual
and seeing where they are andenergetic where they are and
where they might be stuck, andthose things.
(20:53):
I love what you're talkingabout.
There's this interesting stuffthat I've and I guess the whole
idea of the altered states ofconsciousness around that.
What I was hearing and againyou know you can kind of put
your own words to this too isthat?
So if I'm coming in thepresenting is the anxiety We'll
just keep going with this storyand that idea of that altered
(21:14):
states of consciousness isactually what I heard from is
actually seeing it from thisdeeper lens instead of the story
or what I understand of it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah it's all bottom up.
So in psychology there's termsfor any listeners top, down and
bottom up.
Top down is just like CBT let'schange our beliefs, change our
story.
It works to a degree, but whenwe're talking about trauma, it
doesn't.
Um, and we have to go bottom up.
We have to start with the bodyand the breath.
That's and that's where thesealtered states come in is like
(21:48):
you get access to the imaginalrealm, which is often the
subconscious, and like whateverother dimensional worlds you're
accessing and I mean essentially, that could all be a part of
your subconscious or justconnecting to the field but
going into that state gives youthe ability to rewire, because
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your subconscious is coming upso that you have awareness of it
and then it's being released.
So, that's how you start to healis by becoming aware, not by,
like telling your story amillion times, but simply
becoming aware and releasing itand feeling anything that comes
with it and just allowing thatprocess, like bubbles, going to
the top of the right, and sothat process of going into that
(22:34):
state, when you're in that youknow liminal space you actually
are a lot more vulnerable.
That's why when people gethypnotized like you can rewire
they can rewire their thoughtsit's because they're in one of
those states and you can takeyourself essentially into that
state.
Rewire your belief system byreleasing.
If your subconscious is holdingonto a belief, you're not going
to just like pat something elseon top of it, Like that's not
(22:56):
going to help you.
Your subconscious is going tobe like no, this, I don't
believe you.
But if your subconscious comesup and like releases it, then
you can bring in a new beliefand that's how you rewire your
brain.
And this is powerful in ourrelationships, especially
whether it's like healing familyrelationships or romantic
relationships or personaldevelopment, Because I mean,
with so many clients, I watchthem heal.
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Because this energy that wework with in Tantra yoga it's
called Kundalini, but it's veryrelated to our.
It is our life force energy andit's very related to our sexual
energy, so which is veryrelated to our creative energy.
And so in that state, that'swhere all your creativity comes
from, that's where yourintuition comes from and that's
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where your creativity comes from, and so, by learning how to
become a master of those states,you start to master your
intuition, you start to masteryour creativity and therefore
you start to master your lifeforce, and that shows up in our
relationships.
It shows up in leaving toxicrelationships or setting
boundaries or changing thedynamic.
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When you have more of a pausein your brain, you have more
space between your reactions,you have more choices to respond
differently, not because it'slike a performance you're doing,
but because it's genuine.
You genuinely are like oh, I'mgoing to pause and breathe for a
second.
How do I want to respond tothis?
And that gets easier and easierthe more you do it over time.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely see how this can work
.
Obviously, I love how youplaced it was obviously self and
then in relation, becauseespecially when you come to
relationships and that'sromantic or not, but primarily
when there's a romanticinvestment in this person, so
we're in a romantic relationshipa lot is at stake, right, a lot
(24:44):
of that.
Those parts start to revealthemselves.
It's like that the hall ofmirrors starts to get presented,
right, and I can see thebenefit of that when we can tap
into your own self-awareness.
That's why it starts with theself to bring more awareness of
what might be playing itself outhere, of course, what might be
playing with our own stuff, andtapping into that field to bring
(25:09):
more information in instead ofthe ideas, the frame that we're
seeing from right.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, exactly Like it can give you an entirely new
perspective, and that's what Ilove about the word altered
states.
On one hand, it's literallylike going into an altered state
of consciousness.
But on the other hand, it'sliterally like transforming your
perspective, transforming yourstate of mind.
So when you kind of go in andcome back, you are automatically
(25:38):
going to have a new perspectivebecause you just had an
experience.
There's only so much we can sayabout it.
It's something that has to beexperienced.
It's like being in a dreamwhere somebody's taking
psychedelics.
It's like taking psychedelics.
And then you come back andyou're you, but you have a shift
, something changed.
That's a real transformation,and that's what gives you a new
(26:00):
outlook on how to respond, aswell as the pauses in between.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Right, I heard there's more information and
this is and I think you and Ishare very similar thoughts.
I do love the bottom upapproach.
I mean, you know anintellectual understanding.
It's great, brings awareness,it's, it's a needed thing.
But I think, specifically whenyou're working on the trauma
lens, that we could use that arethese really deep wounds,
(26:26):
working with the body andworking upward, as more
information is actuallytraveling up, going up?
This is what I heard.
It's like more information isgoing up from that brain.
You know chinese talks aboutthe brain, our gut, gut, and
information and serotonin moveup and more information than
information moving down.
And really I guess the wordwould be is embodying and
(26:47):
understanding that experience ona deeper level, beyond the
intellectual understanding of it, but from a more feeling state
of being.
It's a deeper, it brings moredepth to our understanding.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, well, our body is our subconscious mind.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So everything like as an intuitive like, I can look
at how somebody is, I can justlook how somebody is like
physically in my presence andknow things that they're not
necessarily telling me butthey're very clearly telling me
because that's a language that Ispeak and that's a language
that everybody can learn how todevelop, and it's not to like
(27:26):
make things confusing, but it'sactually to promote more of a
relationship with other humansthat's based on truth and love,
because love only actuallyflourishes when we're honest.
And so why have, like?
You know, many people can puton this whole performance, but
their subconscious is sayingsomething different and,
depending on the level ofawareness of other people,
(27:48):
they're either by theperformance and most of us do,
because we want to like respectwhat somebody's telling us right
, or they like sense what's notbeing said.
And so my philosophy with thiswork, because I they like sense
what's not being said, and so myphilosophy with this work,
because I'm always sensingwhat's not being said.
It's why don't we just say whatneeds to be said and learn how
to say it in a way that's lovingand connected and respectful to
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ourselves and in full trust ofour higher power of like?
Our path is a verticalrelationship and people are here
to walk alongside us, but ourdevotion is, you know, is our
devotion is kind of universal.
It's not overly into one otherperson expecting some level of
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perfection from them, becauseit's impossible.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Right, I love that.
Yeah, it brings more.
It brings more into ourrelationships Again relationship
with self, first, primary, andthen relationship.
And that's where thatco-regulation starts to happen.
Because in relation, again, youknow, you know understanding,
and if you're looking from earlychildhood development and
understanding it from that lens,that was our co-regulation.
(28:55):
Right, we're not understandingwords.
People are saying we'reunderstanding the energy, we're
understanding their body.
Um, I, I once heard, you know,kids look at the pupil.
They're always looking in youreyes because they're looking at
your pupil and they can see youremotional state of being.
So, kids, and this is oursurvival, we needed to.
So this was our first languagecoming into existence and, of
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course, obviously throughdevelopmental, we kind of lose
connection to that, especiallyif there's trauma and attachment
, wounds and stuff like that.
We kind of disconnectunconsciously.
So the body becomes theunconscious, and now we're
really stuck on this.
So the body becomes theunconscious, and now we're
really stuck on this.
I love that you used the wordvertical, because I love that we
live on this very horizontalplane past future, our thinking
past future.
(29:36):
And that can be very misleadingbecause we're taking these past
traumas or wounds and we don'tknow we're interjecting them in
the present moment and becausewe're not living in the vertical
plane, we're not rooted, we'renot living vertically, we're
interjecting them in the presentmoment.
And because we're not living inthe vertical plane, we're not
rooted, we're not livingvertically, we're living very
horizontally, which affects life, because then we're not really
(29:58):
experiencing life in itsentirety, we're experiencing a
very fragment of existence.
But that reality is allinterpretation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Exactly and like to add to the developmental piece.
I mean, children are in a thetawave state from zero to seven,
and we may have already talkedabout that, but so exactly what
you're describing, I mean in avery literal way.
They're only experiencingenergy and, exactly like you
said, like as people we justlike we disconnect from it
because attachment becomes moreimportant than authenticity.
(30:27):
My path and this modality thatI've worked for seven years
creating has been about takingpeople back to their
authenticity, to go into thatstate so they can get the truth
and start to trust that truthbecause that is the truth and
have more faith in their higherpower and their ability to
self-regulate and their abilityto healthfully connect than in
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their attachment.
Because if attachment is rulingthe game, exactly like you said
, it's this very horizontalrelationship and you're not
seeing the full picture.
You're just seeing your ownstaff getting in the way, and it
doesn't mean that it's not real, it's just that it's not
everything.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, it's not the whole, it's half of what the
reality is right.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, exactly, it's true in the emotional and
personal and social sense, butit's not true in the energetic
and spiritual sense.
And some people can go so farto the other side and be only in
these very esoteric truths andthey're sort of like la la la,
all is one, and they're veryungrounded.
And it's also not a way to live.
(31:30):
They typically have no money,they can't hold a job, they
can't hold a relationship,because their lives fall apart,
because they're in this reallyhigh energetic state all the
time, but you can't be there allthe time.
It's mastering energy.
It's about being able to gointo that state and come back to
this social and emotional realmthis and come back to this
social and emotional realm, thishorizontal.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, that's right, you play between people and
horizontal.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You don't stick to one or the other as some truth,
it's both.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It is both.
It's the human and the being ofus all, and you need both.
We need to exist on this plane.
This is where the lessons areat.
I'm very good in the cosmos.
I know how to dance there allday long.
I just can't exist there allday long because there's no
lessons there.
The lessons are in the exchange, in this human form that we all
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have to exist in.
So I do agree with that becauseit's not absent of that.
I always used to, you know, Iused to laugh and again, it's
great marketing text.
I used to see these shirts orthese bumper stickers or
something like that.
It was like your ego is notyour amigo, I'm like well, it
should be actually, because wewant to understand the
mechanisms of how that works andthis idea of it's a great
(32:36):
servant, but it's notnecessarily a great master,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, and that's where, like, meditation
becomes so powerful in terms oflike, creating those gaps that I
was talking about earlier,because who's the one who's
experiencing this, who's the onewho's witnessing it, who's the
one having the social andemotional experience that's very
real, and who's the oneexperiencing these profound
truths?
And you know information comingfrom, you know the field, like
(33:00):
that's equally true, but but Ithink you know some people who,
many people who get stuck in,like the new age community or
the spiritual space, get so intothe vertical they get pulled,
yep whereas others get sofocused on the emotional and
like human and mastery is who'sthe one, who's in, who's right,
(33:21):
who's like holding the reinshere?
yeah?
He's able to go to do both,because that's who you are
absolutely and loving and I knowthat.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Sorry, did I just cut you off with what you're saying
, just so you feel complete withwhat you're to go to do, both
because that's who you areAbsolutely and loving, and I
know that.
Sorry, did I just cut you offwith what you're saying Just so
you feel complete with whatyou're saying, because it was
valid and it was important tohear.
And I think, speaking of and Iknow you do it with movement and
that's the dance.
The dance is this navigationbetween the human of who we are
(33:45):
and the being of who we are, andknowing the fluidity of this
beautiful dance that happensright, we can't lean too far on
the being and we can't lean toofar in the human.
So it's like how do we navigate?
When is it?
And I think that's what you'rebringing into your program,
which is so beautiful that's whyI was really excited to discuss
that further with you isbecause the mastery of that and
(34:09):
and I think that's what yourprogram is really bringing the
mastery of the recognition ofwhere are we in this life, of
are we too leaning here?
Are we too leaning here?
And you can pull from it.
So if I'm leaning too far onthis side, I can pull from this
other side, and if I'm leaningtoo here, I have to pull from
this other side, because there'ssome truth to that where I and
(34:32):
I'm just going to have to justsay that, acknowledging me when
I was really diving into a lotof this work too.
Yeah, I would do the spiritualbypassing right.
I would pull from this, youknow, and there's beauty in that
and there is healing in that,so I don't want to ever dismiss
it.
All are welcome.
But it can lead to more of abypassing, where I can write
everything off and just give itto that where I'm.
(34:54):
Then I'm not really integratingthe lessons that I'm supposed
to learn from that, you know, orthe deeper understanding of
that.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, like I grew up in a Buddhist temple partially
like my dad was a part of it.
Up in a Buddhist templepartially my dad was a part of
it and so a lot of the teachingsI grew up with, these teachings
and the teaching of the Buddhais the middle path.
He was this king and all thisluxuries and then he went off
for seven years as a totalascetic, fasting, completely
(35:26):
nothingness, and then a womangave him.
A woman gave him keel, which isthis like rice pudding, sweet
meal, and that's kind of when itclicked for him.
He's like it's not all one,it's not all of this like
hedonism, and it's also not allasceticism, it's something in
the middle.
How do we do both?
And that's I'm so, so gratefulfor that upbringing because I
(35:49):
really I mean, I went to both.
I was like New York city, I wasacting, it was modeling, it was
party girl, like all of itLived that lifestyle.
Lived it, mastered it solid.
And then to the other side,which was like.
I was total aesthetic.
I like lived on like a hundreddollars a monthhiked out of my
hip, my hammock, and like, livedin ashrams for years and years
(36:11):
and years, meditating six toeleven hours a day so it was
like both are pretty extreme andthen finding the middle path
has actually been the mosthealing, because it's like you
actually want to and the middlepath, I think, is just somewhere
between that horizontalrelationship and the sorry that
that's vertical, the verticalrelationship and the horizontal
(36:32):
one.
Because it's like you have,it's the mastery over it.
It's not diving into one or theother.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Correct.
Yeah, that's what I really wascalled to have people really
hear about this craft and thismodality that you're putting
together.
To have people really hearabout this craft and this
modality that you're puttingtogether because it really for
me, I think and I think itsounds like you're in agreeance
to this and I use my ownlanguage too it's like really
within the four wisdom bodies ofself, right, when we're
(37:04):
treating the whole being, it'slike that body, the emotional
self, the mental self and thespiritual self, it's like the
four chambers of the heart allexist in our wholeness and
obviously, through life'sexperiences whether that's early
childhood or PTSD, you know,later in life these parts become
almost fragmented from thewhole.
And so we, you know, as a guideand working in this field, what
I'm hearing you saying is it'simportant to work with all of
(37:26):
these parts of you.
To come back, we can't justlook at it and understand it on
an intellectual, although thatdoes give clarity.
We have to work with all of it.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, like
everything I do with my clientsis so rooted in parts work,
because going into this liminalspace allows you to meet those
parts and it allows you to buildrelationships with those parts.
Because the deeper you go intothis modality we start with the
gross and we get more subtle.
So we start with the self andthe other other humans and then
(38:00):
the divine right, but as you getmore subtle you realize that's
all inside of you and not inlike an all is one kumbaya way,
although maybe, but in a, in avery real psychological healing
way of like that's how you healtrauma of within us.
We have all these differentparts that we regulate ourselves
.
As we regulate ourselves, ourinner person, because our inner
(38:21):
adult becomes more mature andcan relate with these different
parts of ourselves in the waythey needed to be met that's
right you can start to meetthose needs of all those other
parts and you can bring inguardian angels or helper,
guides or whoever is supportiveto you and you can work in these
imaginal realms with yourguides, with the parts of you,
(38:41):
with your adult self, with yourfuture self, with your inner
child, all of these things.
And that all happens on thisimaginal realm, in the liminal
space.
And that's essentially theintention of going into the
state.
We have to meet people wherethey're at.
It's first about just teachingyou how to go into this state
and practicing thoserelationships in the physical,
(39:02):
because as you get more matureemotionally and spiritually and
start to get a more intimateunderstanding of this process,
you replicate that processwithin yourself with your own
parts, and that's actuallyreally how you heal complex
trauma, which is something thatis not like.
It's still so new, it's noteven in the DSM yet.
So it's relational, chronictrauma.
(39:23):
This is not like one thinghappened to me and now I'm
traumatized.
This is like this relationshipwas consistently abusive and I
have firm beliefs about who I ambecause of that, and that's why
I stay in toxic relationshipsor I'm not attracting what I
want or expectancy.
This is how you change thatstuff, not just, oh, I go in my
subconscious and reprogram it,but like you really need to go
(39:44):
in your subconscious and healand those relationships inside
of yourself and connect to your,your guidance system inside.
I always tell people that thisis like building your own
internal gps system, like I havea personal best friend that
gives me information all thetime and it's, it's inside of me
and it guides my whole life soeveryone should have this, I
(40:05):
mean we do so.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
so so, true lex, you know it is so, because then we
just kind of keep repeating andregurgitating that same pattern
with ourself, right, we, we arethe ones that neglected ourself.
Now, I, always we I talk aboutthat because I love parts work
too and this idea is that I'mthe perpetrator.
Now, right, like I'm the onecontinuing the trauma quote
(40:28):
unquote trauma where I'mabandoning, I'm neglecting, and
it's because of the relationalor lack of relational
relationship that I have withthose parts and understanding
them and understanding theirneeds and understanding them and
showing up for them, I haveabandoned them, right?
So, if you look at addiction initself, we talk about where
(40:48):
it's like the abandonment ofself, and so I'm hurting myself
or reaching out for these verytoxic relationships.
By the way, it's allrelationship.
You're in a relationship withyour substance, right?
You're in a relationship.
We are always in relation withpeople, places and things, right
, and everything that goes inwithin that.
So did you want any say?
(41:10):
Well, first of all, amazingwork that you are doing.
And this is what really excitesme, because what really drew me
to have this discussion withyou was in the brief
conversation we had and becauseit's very similar language.
I love that you pull in thesedifferent parts of self and I
love the idea of an alteredstates of consciousness, because
(41:33):
I think that's truly what we're.
You know, that's where we'reseeking in ways and are acting
out in the dysfunctions,whatever that dysfunction quote,
unquote might be.
And how you incorporate thebody with that, how you
incorporate, you know,spirituality with that.
You know the mental, theemotional, because, yes, we have
(41:54):
to.
You know, working with thewhole being is how we heal and
trusting we already haveeverything we need, we really
have, but sometimes, right, weneed to be directed.
And did you see it this way?
What is that like?
And having that person kind ofland there for themselves.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And depending on where you're at in your healing
journey and actually always,especially when we're talking
about complex trauma like it'sand I'm really passionate about
it because it defines so much ofa person's personality but it's
not really who they are.
But it's like by unpacking ityou get this whole new life and
new relationships and a lifethat you get real transformation
(42:33):
for people who thought lifecould only ever be one way.
But it's also, and it's alsojust been, a big part of my
journey.
But what's amazing is like it'swhen something breaks in
relationship, it actually needsto heal in relationship.
This is all I'm just teaching.
I tell people I love people fora living and I'm just teaching
people how to love, becausethat's really it, like it's what
(42:55):
is love.
How do we do it?
How do we relate with others inthis way, in a real way?
in a way that like exactly likeyou were saying earlier when
you're talking about likesometimes we're the perpetrator,
sometimes we're the perpetratorit requires a certain degree of
self-awareness and humility andability to do what's called
shadow work, and what I call isthe ability to feel the full
range of human emotion.
Can you be okay with being theperpetrator?
(43:16):
Sometimes we are, sometimes wedo abusive things, especially if
we were abused, but if we'reunwilling to recognize that,
you're never going to change itand it's going to continue to
happen subconsciously and you'regoing to continue to wonder
what's going on in myrelationships when the reality
is.
The more you get comfortablebeing humble and looking at the
(43:38):
full range of human emotion andjust being an acceptance of it,
being acceptance of who you are,the easier it's going to be to
work with those parts and reallysee a transformation in your
life.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Correct, absolutely.
I yes, I just want to pausethere because that was just
beautiful information, so letthat sit for a little bit.
Coming early on this game, myclinical director says we get
here in relation, we heal inrelation, and I thought you know
, and obviously during my pathit reigns more.
True, and this is kind ofreally speaking to what you just
(44:17):
mentioned is that, and I lovethat, if the ability to be
willing to accept that part, orwilling to accept in the motions
of that part and sit withinthat at first acknowledge that
If we don't right, I think if wedon't what landed when you said
this and we continue to livefrom a victim mentality, very
(44:38):
unconsciously, right, we can seeourselves as a victim of
everything.
And when the victim thenbecomes the abuser in ways
abusive of self and abusive toothers, right, so it it's a very
low frequency of a vibration,oh oh, I got it anyway.
(44:59):
So, um so, how do and I'll andI'll have all your information
available for people if you'revery interested how you can get
in contact with Lexi.
And are you doing anything oryou have anything going on right
now?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yep.
So I have my one-on-one program, which is six months.
It's a high-ticket offer.
If people are interested, theycan go to my website,
lexifaithcom, and book adiscovery call.
There's always an opportunityto get a Vedic astrology reading
or an intuitive session with me.
That's also on the same website, lexiefaithcom.
(45:37):
And if you're interested injoining the wait list for a
group program I'm launchingusing this modality, I would say
reach out to me either viaemail on my website at
lexiefaithcom or on Instagram atthelexiefaith.
You can send me a DM, let meknow that you're interested in
being on the wait list and I canget you on there.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Beautiful, yeah, and I'll have that already available
.
So if you don't have to writeall that down, I'll put that
available for people in thecaptions so they can really have
a direct link to you.
Um, I love this work, lex.
I love what you're doing andhow I could really see the
deeper benefits of causingchange individually and
obviously, in relationships andum.
(46:22):
So I just want to thank you somuch for describing this
beautiful thing that you arecreating and, yeah, I'll have
all that information foreveryone.
Give her a call, even if it'sjust for a discovery call, right
.
See if it lines up with you andsee where you're at.
You might not see where youmight be blocked, and she can
help point that out to you.
(46:43):
I mean, that's what we need.
I always say I'm on the wrongside of my face.
I need people to show me me.
So anyway, lexi, thank you fortaking the time and I hope to
talk again.
We might have to have a parttwo as this keeps going on,
because there's probably, fromall of what you just said, I
could probably pull five otherepisodes out of that.
Tell me more about that.
Tell me more about that.
(47:03):
So I'm really excited to seethis keep continuing to happen.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Please let me know what you think of this episode.
Please leave reviews like it.
It really helps with otherpeople getting informed of this,
because maybe it will help themas well.
My name is Shane.
We need to come.
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