February 2, 2025 • 30 mins
Could understanding your body's chemistry hold the key to overcoming addiction? Join us as we explore this intriguing possibility with Cody Carrier, whose remarkable journey from substance abuse in Michigan to becoming a fitness instructor in California is nothing short of inspiring. Cody shares how health and fitness became pivotal in his recovery, revealing the vital connection between physical well-being and sustainable healing. Discover how Cody's pursuit of education in personal training, psychology, and nutrition has equipped him to help others manage their dopamine levels and achieve a balanced, rewarding recovery process through the interconnected pillars of nutrition, exercise, and mindset.
Cody's insights extend beyond personal transformation, addressing how mindset profoundly impacts physical health. He shares a compelling mouse study highlighting intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation's effect on stress and metabolic health. By shifting perspectives from "have to" to "get to," we can enhance motivation and boost dopamine. Cody emphasizes the role of nutrition in supporting neurotransmitter production, particularly focusing on L-tyrosine's role in dopamine synthesis. Through this thought-provoking episode, listeners will gain practical advice for personal growth and lifestyle changes, underlining the power of community support and collaboration in achieving self-improvement. Don't miss the opportunity to connect with Cody and explore his transformative approach to healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi everybody, welcome to Men in Cave.
This is me again, your hostShane, and today I have Cody
Carrier here with us and I'mreally excited about this
discussion.
I'm glad that we could makethis happen, because I love the
work that you are doing and Iwant people to know a little bit
about you and what you'reactually doing.
(00:28):
So I think let's kind of justjump into this.
First of all, how did you getinto the work that you are doing
?
We're going to talk about thatlater, but I want to know what's
been your journey to actuallyto get here love saying thanks
for having me on man I reallyappreciate it and taking the
(00:50):
time to learn more about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know what I'm doing.
Of course I love the work thatyou do with you know, healing
mind, body, spirit.
All that stuff is so valuable,uh, for my own journey.
So I got into treatment formyself nine years ago.
So I came to california frommichigan.
Um, I've been, you know, doingthe substance abuse for this on
(01:11):
and off most of my life tryingto figure it out.
I just couldn't understand whatthe problem was and when I
wasn't using I would alwaysoscillate back towards like the
health and fitness lifestyle sovery much ingrained in me, like
that's where I feel best.
Uh, so, going through treatment, I've had experience in that
process and I saw, like theindustry's best attempts at
helping somebody with thisproblem, which I found to be I
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don't know.
I just didn't see a lot ofsuccess in a lot of other people
and that ultimately didn'tinspire me to like, well, what
worked for me and all the fundsI've been able to gain these, uh
, to gain these insights on whatworks for people and seeing
obviously, like what was thedifference in my experience?
Like I was like misdiagnosedwith bipolar disorder when I was
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in through them and they hadgiven me a K-gen and so I was
telling them like this isn'tworking for me, like I feel
ambivalent to like this isn'tworking for me, like I feel
invulnerable to the life, likethis is impossible for me.
That really would get me off ofthat and I advocated for myself
.
I know they'll get likedifferent nutritional strategies
on board.
Like my blood sugar is reallysensitive, so like when I'm
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taking in like these reallyfast-digesting carbohydrates I
get manic and depressive and Iwas unaware of that until
someone literally diagnosed mewith my polio, so that's what?
yeah, so I hadn't gone throughthat treatment process.
The first job I had was as afitness instructor for the
treatment center.
Um, which was challenging,because here I am as my guy,
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which is a couple years ofsobriety, but it's fitness, like
training other people.
I felt wholly inadequate but Iwanted to go get more education,
which ultimately I did.
Um, I became licensed as apersonal trainer for the
national academy sports medicine.
Um, I went to work at infronauts, having unlearned everything
and then relearn everything.
Yeah, I mean the philosophythat they had taught me there,
(03:01):
that is, that is still likecrucially valuable for me is
like not to get married to thething about what the goal is.
The goal is to help this personand I'm finding out the best
way to do that.
So then I went to school, wentto college and I studied
psychology, human biology,nutrition, you know, ethics.
(03:21):
Ethics is super important to mebecause you have to make sure
that you're considering, likehow we're creating sports, and
it was effortful, and I'mthinking about bias and thought
of it.
So with all that context, I wasable to like really study and
understand like what worked forme, and it ended up being like
these three pillars of nutrition, exercise and mindset.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, and we're're gonna definitely dive
into a lot of that, uh, today onour topic, because I think
those and again just for those,um, you know, obviously I've
been openly about my ownrecovery in my own journey in
getting sober.
So, thank you, I think it'sreally important that we
understand, um, there's a lot ofthings that are going on there
(04:05):
with the individual and whatwe're going to talk about in the
healing journey.
And again, recovery is oneaspect.
Obviously, if we are, you know,abusing substances, that's one
aspect.
You probably want to get offyour substance.
That's not going to work foryou.
And then all of the chemistryand the neurobiology and
everything, these pillars thatyou're really talking about,
(04:25):
which I can't wait to dive into.
Let's take a look at some ofthose things.
Let's, if you can maybe talkabout a little bit, maybe about
some of these pillars for you.
And understanding theimportance of this is a thing
that you have really spent yourtime, your equity, put sweat
equity in to really develop.
(04:47):
And are you doing this outsideof, say, treatment centers?
Do you do this for otherclients as well, private clients
?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So where I really grew up in my seat was working
for a company called the FederalReapers, which I'm now the co a
owner of, and I operate manyother trainers out of the people
and foundationally it's just agroup in the treatment center
where there's a discussion onthe recovery principles, but
then we move into fitness andabout like 10 or 15 years.
(05:19):
So there's a question that Iasked the group at the beginning
why is fitness called recoveryand inevitably the first hand
that goes up, that saysendorphins.
And I say what are endorphins?
Like um, pathophysical thatmakes you feel good and why is
that important for your recovery?
Recovery has to feel good andthis I found there's a through
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line with everybody.
Those endorphins.
What they're really talkingabout it's dopamine, and
dopamine is a thing that we allstruggle with managing, Right?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
right.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And the relationship with food, things like our
endorphins and how televisionmovies, everything is just
trying to get as much dopamineand dopamine as possible.
So this whole world has justbeen engineered to squeeze and
squeeze and squeeze.
So when we're talking aboutsubstance abuse in particular,
you're taking in exogenouslysubstances that will raise your
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dopamine levels, causing you torelease the dopamine that you
have in store, ultimatelydefeating that level, causing
this addictive cycle, trying tojust reclaim its existence.
It takes stronger and strongersubstances, whether that is an
alcoholic drug or alcohol orwhatever it is you may be
addicted to.
A lot of people are addicted toshopping, to food.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Thank you for this.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
With young men.
Pornography is taking the youthby storm right now um, even
scrolling in your phone.
So whatever it is is likethey're needing higher and
higher dose of this becausedopamine is like not pressed.
But that's the thing I want totalk about.
Exercise, for me, is dopamineis if we can exercise, we can
cause our body to increase itsown production of dopamine
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without some exogenous forcebeing applied to us, and that
the magic that's requiredthrough the formula positively
associated stress, dopamine,reward afterward.
Dopamine causes us to havemotivation to live.
There was a mouse study thatthey had done where they
engineered my genetic leaks tonot be able to produce dopamine
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within their brain and theywould just lay there in their
cage.
So they would think that theywould place food in front of the
mouse.
If the food was more than abody length away from the mouse,
the mouse would starve to death, mm, unless they had put the
food in their mouth.
Literally they didn't have themotivation to get up and go do
that thing.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And so it's no wonder when something comes into
treatment after the dopamine hadbeen completely depleted out of
their brain for years, months,however long they were using
they don't know if to drive theway dopamine works in the brain.
It is designed so that whendopamine is present, new nerves
will form between your motor andpsychological functions.
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It will, like, grow parts ofyour brain that are associated
with however you do it.
So we need to form new neuralpathways to stop feeling the
behavior that is in our hands.
The way that we do that is byclean footing.
Dopamine Exercise is one waythat we can get our bodies to
begin producing it down.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, you know there's the weapons of mass
distractions.
I think there is a limited view.
It's substances you knowalcohol and substances, there's
a whole thing.
I think you labeled shopping.
I mean you have pornography youhave.
You know sex love you have.
Obviously food can beproblematic for some people as
(08:46):
well.
More on the process, addictionsI mean obviously we're going to
have to eat, but moderation,understanding that.
So thank you for bringing thatinto light.
I am solely on that becausethere is sometimes a limited
view when they think of recoveryor addiction in itself.
View when they think ofrecovery or addiction in itself
(09:08):
becomes very narrow.
But there's a whole other worldthat can happen that we can get
those what you're referring toas these dopamine hits.
And I think obviously youtalked about scrolling on the
phone.
I mean these scrolling, thesethings are wiring.
Dopamine hits right, they firethose neuron connections and get
a little hit from those things.
So thank you for clarifyingthat which is so important
(09:30):
because it is such a dopamine isa necessity.
Obviously life without pleasurewould be pretty boring.
We have to have that balance.
But duration and frequency ofthe substances and our behaviors
, we offset kind of theequilibrium in our in our body
right and so restoring that.
I love that you're talkingabout exercise, how that kind of
(09:51):
helps reset that.
Maybe, if you understand alittle bit, maybe there are
neurological connections to that.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So anthropologically, the dopamine system was
designed to provide us an awardfor sustained, positively
associated stress.
So think about like cavemandays.
Where would they get dopamine?
Probably from food, from socialinteraction and from surviving
a physical conflict.
So exercise is one of thoseareas where, like, you weren't
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going to get a dopamine ifyou're sitting around in a cave
or in a hut or whatever.
Like you have to work really,really hard for long periods of
time before you ever got anysmaller room, and the way the
world is designed today is thatwe're looking more in front.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yes, keep going there .
I love this Cody.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Keep going, there's no pain in front of it so we can
actually begin to engineer ourlifestyles so that there is some
difficulty ahead of prospect ofjoy, whatever that thing is.
So you're right, a life withoutjoy is not a life.
But we can create positivelyassociated stress for ourselves
by eating breakfast.
It's a pre-programmed behaviorthat we have within us.
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We don't have to think too hardabout it.
You get prepared to go to thegym, you drink whatever
pre-workout whenever you have tolike, get you there, that like
initial dopamine boost, and thenyou have a 45 minute exercise
and by the end of it we havethis, this total gift in our
thinking, little gift in ourenergy.
Our emotions, like everything,gets reset.
But that's because we performthe formula appropriately.
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If we are immediately startingour day, we're scrolling on the
phone, drinking coffee, havingno positive associated stress.
We go through work and the onlyjoy that we have is within the
fast food that we get at the endof the day.
It's not a healthy formula.
So we have to create thesepositive associated stress.
The way that exercise does thisis through that experience and I
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want to cover that later, um,when I want to go over like
mindset.
The way we are interpretingthat stress is absolutely
incredible, absolutelyincredible clients that I have
with personal brain implants.
So if I'm going to say I'mworking all day and then still
rods at work but I do, I'm on myfeet all day is that not
exercise?
Your brain is not interpretingit as exercise.
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It interprets it as work.
So it will go along a differentmetabolic pathway of stress, of
negatively associated stress,and it'll actually make you
sicker and more frustrated.
I want to go to the gym and I'mlifting weights in my free time
.
I'm like this is me, this is 30times.
I walk out feeling essentiallyenlightened.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
difference in those two things attitude wow, we're
gonna definitely dive into thatI.
I want to come back to justwhat you were talking about.
I love recognizing it in thatway, that you were saying the
how we live, because it was I.
When it landed in me I reallyit made sense.
You know, kind of that instantgratification where we put it
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before the reward, before thework, and it sounds like, if I'm
hearing this correct, that indoing the work where you're
talking about, you know, fromcaveman, where it's like you
know you had to go out there tofind your food, you know, and
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kind of like hunt it down andthere's a lot of work that comes
into it.
And then the reward I get tosit and feast with today's new
way of living and obviously allthese platforms opening up, we
get that instant gratification.
First, creating this kind ofdopamine junkie kind of thing.
That instant hit.
(13:31):
Oh, I just love that.
Cody, that was a really I mean,I understand that right, but
the, you know, when you phrasedit, that was like, yeah, this is
really good, I get it, I get it.
And so thank you for that greatinformation let's get into,
because that's another pillar ofyours, with what you're running
and how you're helping peopleis the mindset that you kind of
(13:53):
you started that conversation.
Can you take us into that, thatpillar mindset, and how
important that is in the healingprocess, if you will?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So in mindset we are familiar with the placebo effect
, right Like some people aretaking a sugar pill and for some
reason, like their symptoms canget bad.
So that has been an anomaly inthe scientific community.
We don't fully understand it,but we've been able to apply it
in different areas.
So the study that I want tofocus on.
(14:22):
They did this mouse study, butthey had two mice in separate
cages.
They had no contact with oneanother.
Mice love to run on the wheelvoluntarily.
They like to act as mice.
It's what they'll do incaptivity.
So mouse number one was allowedto run on the wheel voluntarily
.
When their wheel started toturn, mouse two was on their
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wheel and it was forced to turn.
So mouse one perpetuated mousetwo.
So they had the same amount ofexercise, but one was doing it
voluntarily and two would beforced to do it.
The health outcomes were in twodifferent directions on the
graph.
Mouse one lived a long healthylife with no you know problems.
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Mouse two died early fromstress-related metabolic
disorders.
Oh wow, how is it that a personcan have the same exact amount
of exercise as another but yetget sick for that?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
yes, go there mindset yes, let's go down that cody.
Let's go down that Cody, please.
Let's go down there.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I love this Mouse too was a victim and it's not even
like this was like highconsciousness, like victim-based
mentality.
Of course, right, but theyperceive themselves as the world
is happening to them, butmind's one, the world is
happening for them, mm-hmm,mm-hmm for them.
And how we perceive stresshappening to us and how we're
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participating in it willdetermine the metabolic pathway
that our bodies take the rewardsystem or the consequences of it
.
Like I said, I can go to the gymand I can burn a thousand
calories and have the time of mylife, but if I'm working five,
six hours and I'm doing theselike intense fitness groups and
people can literally do the samething, I'm doing in my free
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time but for some reason I'mjust like ragged and looking at
McDonald's thinking this mightbe a good idea right now, or
I'll sit in a zombie out andwatch TV to just like try to get
my dopamine back up becauseI've just been pleaded all day
like not getting that nap forthe reward.
So having that mindset'simportant, even if everything
else is put into place is likehappening to you or is happening
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for you and does that kind oftie into when you start looking
at it from motivation, I guessit's like intrinsic, extrinsic
motivation I guess it can happenany kind of point like along
the spectrum.
So like our amygdala are likeyour processing unit and our
brain will exacerbatecircumstances beforehand.
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You've experienced it in yourday of staff and you're like
already exhausted and then likeyou can fall off from having to
do all that work, like oh, lookwhat you do today and all of a
sudden you've got all the energyin the world.
Yep, so the way that we'reperceiving things in advance,
right, can brain us.
What if perceiving in advanceis a positive thing?
Like look at all the people Icouldn't help today.
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Look at all the people I'mgoing to get to work today.
I'm not going to settle down myhouse or to reframe it in
advance.
You can get the dopamine boostin, that's right.
It really happens in the moment.
Like you said, you can go tothe gym not feeling like doing
it at all and you start gettingthe flow of these things and you
get that inertia Once you'regoing to get some dopamine
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reward, even if you eat a formof exercise that might give you
the opportunity to have thatswitch of, like I feel better
than I did when I walked in.
Sure, like I'm always askingwithin before we start, like why
are we doing this?
Because they would give youenergy.
You're gonna sleep bettertonight.
They're going to feel moreenergetic, like you know,
throughout the rest of today inparticular, you're going to do
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that with your mind, like justthinking about all the benefits,
knowing like this is good forme.
This is good for me, even ifyou don't believe it yeah just
saying out loud this is good forme.
Or I want to do this flip, thatswitch in your brain which can
start to give you that biggerdopamine boost that you need to,
the more productive of dopamine, instead of having a solubilist
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before you and that can spinyou off into that mindset.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So sometimes it just takes a month or just a few
words while you're in thatstress yeah, kind of, I love
that reframing that a little bit, reframing the words I get to
work out, I get to communicatewith people, I get to have great
conversations with people, andit lightens the journey a little
bit.
It gets you kind of excited.
Well, what are we going to talkabout or work out with, or
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something.
So that in itself changing.
So we have changing the mindsetwe have, how that connects to
the dopamine when we get out of,when we get out of the kind of
I think the words you said, thevictim mentality I have to.
I get to right.
We hear some of this language.
I get to right, we hear some ofthis language.
Just reframing that could createsounds like kind of create that
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kind of kickstart, that emotion.
You referred to it as kind ofthat placebo.
It already kind of gets it inmotion.
There's an excitement thatlives within there which leads
to the motivation.
Yeah, and then, of course, thenthe rewards of working out.
You're actually into the bodywhen we're moving and we're
moving some of that energywithin our body and how that
connects to the healing and ifyou can speak a little bit of
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that, I don't want to miss thekey factor of the medicine
itself.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So you can exercise, you can tell your body it's body
truly still clean, you can tellyourself that this is something
that's good for me.
But the material world stillexists.
We do have this biochemicalrelationship with the world
around us, the food we consumeand the body that's carrying us
around, and so within food arethe resources necessary for your
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body to produce theseneurotransmitters.
This is really important.
L-tyrosine is the precursor todopamine.
L-tyrosine is an amino acidthat is found in animal protein
Some nuts, some cheeses butanimal protein is the highest
source.
We get this L-tyrosine If youdo not have the materials to
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create dopamine from, you cansqueeze and squeeze and squeeze,
but that sponge is not going tohave anything for it to become.
So we need to put the nutrientsinto the body for us to be able
to produce theneurotransmitters, and that
production happens within thebrain, but not exclusively.
Our gut microbiome producesneurotransmitters like crazy.
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The gut brain access is.
I mean, it's becoming morewell-studied these days.
There's a lot of misinformationout there and it's really,
really hard to find out what'sgoing on in there, because you
can't get a sample of themicrobe within the gut unless
you literally enter the gut todo it.
We're not sure which probioticscause which neurotransmitters
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to be acquired, but we arecertain that they are present in
the process.
So in order for us to be ableto create dopamine in our brains
, we need a gut microbiome thatcan break food down and create
those neurotransmitters.
We need the front team to bethere to circulate their stuff,
the amino acids, to turn it intoneurotransmitters.
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We need fiber to feed the gutmicrobiome so that we don't have
any time for this and freezethem.
All of these things have to goin there, and if they're not
consuming enough carbon hybrids,they don't have the energy
necessary to do the activitiesto do the things.
But, when they have the carbonhybrids.
This was a clarifyingunderstanding of how the carbon
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breaks down.
How quickly it breaks down isrelated to that further
conversation about dopamine.
And in terms of substancethere's it breaks down is
related to that earlierconversation about dopamine.
And a new substance has a fewfeatures, few characteristics.
It gets into the system quickly, it gives you a high dopamine
spike and it drops off really,really quickly and it's
consistent.
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So the mouse study they haddone, they had run the water in
cocaine water and there was abutton in front of the water
bottles so that when they hitthe button the water would come
out.
So they hit the cocaine button.
Cocaine water came out.
After they took the cocaine outof the water they still only
hit that button.
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They created an association ofconsistency.
Every time you hit that button,every time you look in your
phone, every time you see thosegolden arcs, every time you have
this thing, you're going tohave this addictive association.
And food has the same kind ofcharacteristic.
So a simple sugar means that,say, if you get 10 grams of
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fructose you've heard of highfructose corn syrup that means
it has more fructose thanglucose in it, meaning it gets
in your system really, reallyrapidly.
All of it goes up at the sameexact time and it drops down to
the limit, so you begin to havea sedative relationship.
The way that it works on apsychological level is, if you
have a massive influx of energyinto the brain, that can send
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you into a million.
I've seen kids on family they'regoing nuts and then they have a
friend then there's a crash at23, the symptoms of use disorder
and no substances around whosefamily has left him boy.
You bet I was really depressedand really manic I was.
I was unable to manage myemotions.
So we consider the food thatwe're taking in.
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We want to have complexcarbohydrates.
And that would mean somethingwith fiber.
Yeah, yeah, If you're eating theapple, eat the skin of the
apple that has fiber in it.
If you're a full-blown food,you can get the full-brain
cutlets and then just do it inabout 30 minutes, finding out
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what sources of energy you'regetting.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Make sure that you have a longer lasting and I
don't have this tire swipe yeah,I think that's important to
understand because, uh, you knowit, carbs, carbs itself, have
such a bad rap sometimes forpeople and they think you know.
But I think it's the the rightkind of.
So it has an even arc and kindof a leveling out, instead of a
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high spike and then that deepcrash to um and how important
that is for the functioning ofthe body.
Like you said, what is it?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's the precursor L-thyrosine is a precursor for
dopamine.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And that's from animal protein, it's from food.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Mm-hmm From animal protein and that helps with.
So all of these functions Ithink are so important.
We have mind, we have body, wehave the whole self, kind of
working in this well-oiledmachine, helping to function,
helping us to heal.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When we're thinking about wellness, getting better,
healing, we're all talking aboutfreedom of change Change within
the mind, the literal, physicalmind, our ability to think,
comprehend and take on newhabits.
People would pay an infiniteamount of money to be able take
on new habits and, like people,would pay an infinite amount of
money to be able to controltheir habits and their behaviors
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.
I think that is like thegreatest human struggle, just
philosophically.
We all struggle withself-control, and so if you have
the keys to changing yourbehaviors forever, permanent
change towards somethingpositive, you would keep it.
And there's three keys, though.
The three keys are exercise,the new victim and our mindset.
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You can exercise all you want,have all the nutrients that you
want, but if you don't have theright mindset, it's not going to
work.
You can exercise and have agreat mindset, but if you're not
eating well, you're not goingto have the materials necessary
to facilitate the change.
And if you're eating reallywell and you've got a great
mindset, that's fine, but you'renot starting your body's
production of opium throughinsulin.
So all three of these thingshave to happen in order to
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experience lifestyle change.
What if you're trying to get ajob and, like you, just don't
want to be able to do that.
You do those three things.
You're going to have all theresources necessary to send up
all the resumes or go to schoolor to apply for whatever you
need to do, like, like, ifyou're having trouble with your
relationships and like maybeit's like not feeling this girl
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or you have this like reallytroublesome relationship with
her and it's really toxic, likein order for you to get out of
your life and create a newphilosophy of life, how are we
going to do this?
If we don't, you're going toneed to do these three things.
Whatever it is in life thatwe're struggling with these
three things, whatever is inlife that we're struggling with,
the change happens with thosethree pillars.
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You can change those habits soyou can build freedoms how do
people get in contact with you?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I think I heard a little bit about because I love
that it.
That's why I wanted to bring itlifestyle change.
You brought in relationships.
You brought in, you know,moving careers and or whatever,
whatever that goal is for thatoutcome for you, these three
pillars that you had discussed,how that can help you move into
building deeper connections,achieving whatever short, long
(27:15):
term things you want.
How do people get in contactwith you and find you?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
so my business is physical business and, uh, it's
built towards a personaltraining.
That's what's going to see likefitness and things like that on
there.
But there is, um, there is acalendar and I won't talk to
anybody.
I anybody who has any problemsgoing on.
I have worked in upwardsanonymous for years and guys are
(27:43):
coming with 25 years ofsobriety Like, hey, man, I've
done the steps and I don't worry, I'm going to do it.
And, frankly, my relationshipwith my wife is just nuts right
now.
I don't know what to do aboutit.
And so I've seen all of thedifferent you know challenges of
life and I've had to addressthose things.
(28:09):
Like I said, like I'm willing totalk to anybody about
whatever's going on and likethey do facilitate a solution
for you, um, and because of myneeds is in like the health and
wellness space, like that'swhere I'm going to start with
and if there's like other, likehigher level mental health care
things, like I've been incontact with treatment centers
in this area and like otherpeople who do more like national
work, like they can give youtreatment if it's not serious.
Like there is always a pathway,there's always a doorway and
I'm always going to offer myresources so you can go to
physicalbusinesscom uh, you canbook like a 30 minute, just like
(28:32):
what's going on, man, um, and Iwill hear you out and I'll give
you the tool that I haveavailable.
And if there's any way that you, you know, we could move
forward with maybe it'sconsultation, maybe it's, you
know, sober coaching, maybe it'snutrition, maybe it's fitness,
like whatever it is I'm willingto help.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Cody man, I love the work that you're doing.
I love these three pillars.
I'm so glad that we ran intoeach other and we were caught.
That was the whole thing.
We were constantly running intothis like, man, we gotta, we
gotta do something here because,uh, learning more about what
you're providing in the healingspace I'm just going to call it
the healing space, Cause it'sagain, it's outside of the rooms
(29:15):
technically about lifestyle.
I'm I'm passionate about I, I,uh, I want to know more about
that, Even some of the thingsthat you were just talking about
.
So I was like, yeah, that'strue.
I really appreciate you takingthe time today to come here and
shed some wisdom for all of us,to take bits and pieces and
start applying them to our life.
(29:35):
Again, if you need an extrapush or more information, again,
I'll have Cody's informationhere and you can look and get in
contact with him, set up adiscovery call, see where you
might be stuck in your life,whatever you need, and I'm sure
he'll make the time.
What a great, what a great guyyou are, Cody.
Really a pleasure to have youtoday, my friend.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Hey, I'm honored man.
I'm honored that you had me on.
You're a guy I really respect.
You really walk the walk youknow as well as so eloquently
and gently talk to me.
I think that a lot of peopleare going to benefit from just
being in proximity to you andthe company you keep.
I think that you're a real lifefor this world and I'm just so
grateful to be a part of yourown journey your own, you know,
(30:19):
hero.
It's hard to think of how manypeople we can help.
Your own, you know, hero.
It's hard to like how manypeople we can help, um.
So to have you know anotherbrother on the on the
battlefield on the front line is, I'm really honored by this,
thank you yes, thank you, mybrother, and that is today's
episode of men uncaved.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Of course, my name is shane coyle.
I will have all of cody'sconnected links in the in the
caption below, so please take alook at the beautiful work he is
doing.
And again, we need to come outof hiding.
Hi everybody, welcome to Men in Cave.
This is me again, your hostShane, and today I have Cody
Carrier here with us and I'mreally excited about this
discussion.
I'm glad that we could makethis happen, because I love the
work that you are doing and Iwant people to know a little bit
about you and what you'reactually doing.
(00:28):
So I think let's kind of justjump into this.
First of all, how did you getinto the work that you are doing
?
We're going to talk about thatlater, but I want to know what's
been your journey to actuallyto get here love saying thanks
for having me on man I reallyappreciate it and taking the
(00:50):
time to learn more about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know what I'm doing.
Of course I love the work thatyou do with you know, healing
mind, body, spirit.
All that stuff is so valuable,uh, for my own journey.
So I got into treatment formyself nine years ago.
So I came to california frommichigan.
Um, I've been, you know, doingthe substance abuse for this on
(01:11):
and off most of my life tryingto figure it out.
I just couldn't understand whatthe problem was and when I
wasn't using I would alwaysoscillate back towards like the
health and fitness lifestyle sovery much ingrained in me, like
that's where I feel best.
Uh, so, going through treatment, I've had experience in that
process and I saw, like theindustry's best attempts at
helping somebody with thisproblem, which I found to be I
(01:36):
don't know.
I just didn't see a lot ofsuccess in a lot of other people
and that ultimately didn'tinspire me to like, well, what
worked for me and all the fundsI've been able to gain these, uh
, to gain these insights on whatworks for people and seeing
obviously, like what was thedifference in my experience?
Like I was like misdiagnosedwith bipolar disorder when I was
(01:57):
in through them and they hadgiven me a K-gen and so I was
telling them like this isn'tworking for me, like I feel
ambivalent to like this isn'tworking for me, like I feel
invulnerable to the life, likethis is impossible for me.
That really would get me off ofthat and I advocated for myself
.
I know they'll get likedifferent nutritional strategies
on board.
Like my blood sugar is reallysensitive, so like when I'm
(02:19):
taking in like these reallyfast-digesting carbohydrates I
get manic and depressive and Iwas unaware of that until
someone literally diagnosed mewith my polio, so that's what?
yeah, so I hadn't gone throughthat treatment process.
The first job I had was as afitness instructor for the
treatment center.
Um, which was challenging,because here I am as my guy,
(02:40):
which is a couple years ofsobriety, but it's fitness, like
training other people.
I felt wholly inadequate but Iwanted to go get more education,
which ultimately I did.
Um, I became licensed as apersonal trainer for the
national academy sports medicine.
Um, I went to work at infronauts, having unlearned everything
and then relearn everything.
Yeah, I mean the philosophythat they had taught me there,
(03:01):
that is, that is still likecrucially valuable for me is
like not to get married to thething about what the goal is.
The goal is to help this personand I'm finding out the best
way to do that.
So then I went to school, wentto college and I studied
psychology, human biology,nutrition, you know, ethics.
(03:21):
Ethics is super important to mebecause you have to make sure
that you're considering, likehow we're creating sports, and
it was effortful, and I'mthinking about bias and thought
of it.
So with all that context, I wasable to like really study and
understand like what worked forme, and it ended up being like
these three pillars of nutrition, exercise and mindset.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, and we're're gonna definitely dive
into a lot of that, uh, today onour topic, because I think
those and again just for those,um, you know, obviously I've
been openly about my ownrecovery in my own journey in
getting sober.
So, thank you, I think it'sreally important that we
understand, um, there's a lot ofthings that are going on there
(04:05):
with the individual and whatwe're going to talk about in the
healing journey.
And again, recovery is oneaspect.
Obviously, if we are, you know,abusing substances, that's one
aspect.
You probably want to get offyour substance.
That's not going to work foryou.
And then all of the chemistryand the neurobiology and
everything, these pillars thatyou're really talking about,
(04:25):
which I can't wait to dive into.
Let's take a look at some ofthose things.
Let's, if you can maybe talkabout a little bit, maybe about
some of these pillars for you.
And understanding theimportance of this is a thing
that you have really spent yourtime, your equity, put sweat
equity in to really develop.
(04:47):
And are you doing this outsideof, say, treatment centers?
Do you do this for otherclients as well, private clients
?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So where I really grew up in my seat was working
for a company called the FederalReapers, which I'm now the co a
owner of, and I operate manyother trainers out of the people
and foundationally it's just agroup in the treatment center
where there's a discussion onthe recovery principles, but
then we move into fitness andabout like 10 or 15 years.
(05:19):
So there's a question that Iasked the group at the beginning
why is fitness called recoveryand inevitably the first hand
that goes up, that saysendorphins.
And I say what are endorphins?
Like um, pathophysical thatmakes you feel good and why is
that important for your recovery?
Recovery has to feel good andthis I found there's a through
(05:42):
line with everybody.
Those endorphins.
What they're really talkingabout it's dopamine, and
dopamine is a thing that we allstruggle with managing, Right?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
right.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And the relationship with food, things like our
endorphins and how televisionmovies, everything is just
trying to get as much dopamineand dopamine as possible.
So this whole world has justbeen engineered to squeeze and
squeeze and squeeze.
So when we're talking aboutsubstance abuse in particular,
you're taking in exogenouslysubstances that will raise your
(06:16):
dopamine levels, causing you torelease the dopamine that you
have in store, ultimatelydefeating that level, causing
this addictive cycle, trying tojust reclaim its existence.
It takes stronger and strongersubstances, whether that is an
alcoholic drug or alcohol orwhatever it is you may be
addicted to.
A lot of people are addicted toshopping, to food.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Thank you for this.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
With young men.
Pornography is taking the youthby storm right now um, even
scrolling in your phone.
So whatever it is is likethey're needing higher and
higher dose of this becausedopamine is like not pressed.
But that's the thing I want totalk about.
Exercise, for me, is dopamineis if we can exercise, we can
cause our body to increase itsown production of dopamine
(07:03):
without some exogenous forcebeing applied to us, and that
the magic that's requiredthrough the formula positively
associated stress, dopamine,reward afterward.
Dopamine causes us to havemotivation to live.
There was a mouse study thatthey had done where they
engineered my genetic leaks tonot be able to produce dopamine
(07:25):
within their brain and theywould just lay there in their
cage.
So they would think that theywould place food in front of the
mouse.
If the food was more than abody length away from the mouse,
the mouse would starve to death, mm, unless they had put the
food in their mouth.
Literally they didn't have themotivation to get up and go do
that thing.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And so it's no wonder when something comes into
treatment after the dopamine hadbeen completely depleted out of
their brain for years, months,however long they were using
they don't know if to drive theway dopamine works in the brain.
It is designed so that whendopamine is present, new nerves
will form between your motor andpsychological functions.
(08:07):
It will, like, grow parts ofyour brain that are associated
with however you do it.
So we need to form new neuralpathways to stop feeling the
behavior that is in our hands.
The way that we do that is byclean footing.
Dopamine Exercise is one waythat we can get our bodies to
begin producing it down.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, you know there's the weapons of mass
distractions.
I think there is a limited view.
It's substances you knowalcohol and substances, there's
a whole thing.
I think you labeled shopping.
I mean you have pornography youhave.
You know sex love you have.
Obviously food can beproblematic for some people as
(08:46):
well.
More on the process, addictionsI mean obviously we're going to
have to eat, but moderation,understanding that.
So thank you for bringing thatinto light.
I am solely on that becausethere is sometimes a limited
view when they think of recoveryor addiction in itself.
View when they think ofrecovery or addiction in itself
(09:08):
becomes very narrow.
But there's a whole other worldthat can happen that we can get
those what you're referring toas these dopamine hits.
And I think obviously youtalked about scrolling on the
phone.
I mean these scrolling, thesethings are wiring.
Dopamine hits right, they firethose neuron connections and get
a little hit from those things.
So thank you for clarifyingthat which is so important
(09:30):
because it is such a dopamine isa necessity.
Obviously life without pleasurewould be pretty boring.
We have to have that balance.
But duration and frequency ofthe substances and our behaviors
, we offset kind of theequilibrium in our in our body
right and so restoring that.
I love that you're talkingabout exercise, how that kind of
(09:51):
helps reset that.
Maybe, if you understand alittle bit, maybe there are
neurological connections to that.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So anthropologically, the dopamine system was
designed to provide us an awardfor sustained, positively
associated stress.
So think about like cavemandays.
Where would they get dopamine?
Probably from food, from socialinteraction and from surviving
a physical conflict.
So exercise is one of thoseareas where, like, you weren't
(10:20):
going to get a dopamine ifyou're sitting around in a cave
or in a hut or whatever.
Like you have to work really,really hard for long periods of
time before you ever got anysmaller room, and the way the
world is designed today is thatwe're looking more in front.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yes, keep going there .
I love this Cody.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Keep going, there's no pain in front of it so we can
actually begin to engineer ourlifestyles so that there is some
difficulty ahead of prospect ofjoy, whatever that thing is.
So you're right, a life withoutjoy is not a life.
But we can create positivelyassociated stress for ourselves
by eating breakfast.
It's a pre-programmed behaviorthat we have within us.
(11:01):
We don't have to think too hardabout it.
You get prepared to go to thegym, you drink whatever
pre-workout whenever you have tolike, get you there, that like
initial dopamine boost, and thenyou have a 45 minute exercise
and by the end of it we havethis, this total gift in our
thinking, little gift in ourenergy.
Our emotions, like everything,gets reset.
But that's because we performthe formula appropriately.
(11:22):
If we are immediately startingour day, we're scrolling on the
phone, drinking coffee, havingno positive associated stress.
We go through work and the onlyjoy that we have is within the
fast food that we get at the endof the day.
It's not a healthy formula.
So we have to create thesepositive associated stress.
The way that exercise does thisis through that experience and I
(11:47):
want to cover that later, um,when I want to go over like
mindset.
The way we are interpretingthat stress is absolutely
incredible, absolutelyincredible clients that I have
with personal brain implants.
So if I'm going to say I'mworking all day and then still
rods at work but I do, I'm on myfeet all day is that not
exercise?
Your brain is not interpretingit as exercise.
(12:07):
It interprets it as work.
So it will go along a differentmetabolic pathway of stress, of
negatively associated stress,and it'll actually make you
sicker and more frustrated.
I want to go to the gym and I'mlifting weights in my free time
.
I'm like this is me, this is 30times.
I walk out feeling essentiallyenlightened.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
difference in those two things attitude wow, we're
gonna definitely dive into thatI.
I want to come back to justwhat you were talking about.
I love recognizing it in thatway, that you were saying the
how we live, because it was I.
When it landed in me I reallyit made sense.
You know, kind of that instantgratification where we put it
(12:50):
before the reward, before thework, and it sounds like, if I'm
hearing this correct, that indoing the work where you're
talking about, you know, fromcaveman, where it's like you
know you had to go out there tofind your food, you know, and
(13:10):
kind of like hunt it down andthere's a lot of work that comes
into it.
And then the reward I get tosit and feast with today's new
way of living and obviously allthese platforms opening up, we
get that instant gratification.
First, creating this kind ofdopamine junkie kind of thing.
That instant hit.
(13:31):
Oh, I just love that.
Cody, that was a really I mean,I understand that right, but
the, you know, when you phrasedit, that was like, yeah, this is
really good, I get it, I get it.
And so thank you for that greatinformation let's get into,
because that's another pillar ofyours, with what you're running
and how you're helping peopleis the mindset that you kind of
(13:53):
you started that conversation.
Can you take us into that, thatpillar mindset, and how
important that is in the healingprocess, if you will?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So in mindset we are familiar with the placebo effect
, right Like some people aretaking a sugar pill and for some
reason, like their symptoms canget bad.
So that has been an anomaly inthe scientific community.
We don't fully understand it,but we've been able to apply it
in different areas.
So the study that I want tofocus on.
(14:22):
They did this mouse study, butthey had two mice in separate
cages.
They had no contact with oneanother.
Mice love to run on the wheelvoluntarily.
They like to act as mice.
It's what they'll do incaptivity.
So mouse number one was allowedto run on the wheel voluntarily
.
When their wheel started toturn, mouse two was on their
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wheel and it was forced to turn.
So mouse one perpetuated mousetwo.
So they had the same amount ofexercise, but one was doing it
voluntarily and two would beforced to do it.
The health outcomes were in twodifferent directions on the
graph.
Mouse one lived a long healthylife with no you know problems.
(15:07):
Mouse two died early fromstress-related metabolic
disorders.
Oh wow, how is it that a personcan have the same exact amount
of exercise as another but yetget sick for that?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
yes, go there mindset yes, let's go down that cody.
Let's go down that Cody, please.
Let's go down there.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I love this Mouse too was a victim and it's not even
like this was like highconsciousness, like victim-based
mentality.
Of course, right, but theyperceive themselves as the world
is happening to them, butmind's one, the world is
happening for them, mm-hmm,mm-hmm for them.
And how we perceive stresshappening to us and how we're
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participating in it willdetermine the metabolic pathway
that our bodies take the rewardsystem or the consequences of it
.
Like I said, I can go to the gymand I can burn a thousand
calories and have the time of mylife, but if I'm working five,
six hours and I'm doing theselike intense fitness groups and
people can literally do the samething, I'm doing in my free
(16:07):
time but for some reason I'mjust like ragged and looking at
McDonald's thinking this mightbe a good idea right now, or
I'll sit in a zombie out andwatch TV to just like try to get
my dopamine back up becauseI've just been pleaded all day
like not getting that nap forthe reward.
So having that mindset'simportant, even if everything
else is put into place is likehappening to you or is happening
(16:31):
for you and does that kind oftie into when you start looking
at it from motivation, I guessit's like intrinsic, extrinsic
motivation I guess it can happenany kind of point like along
the spectrum.
So like our amygdala are likeyour processing unit and our
brain will exacerbatecircumstances beforehand.
(16:51):
You've experienced it in yourday of staff and you're like
already exhausted and then likeyou can fall off from having to
do all that work, like oh, lookwhat you do today and all of a
sudden you've got all the energyin the world.
Yep, so the way that we'reperceiving things in advance,
right, can brain us.
What if perceiving in advanceis a positive thing?
Like look at all the people Icouldn't help today.
(17:11):
Look at all the people I'mgoing to get to work today.
I'm not going to settle down myhouse or to reframe it in
advance.
You can get the dopamine boostin, that's right.
It really happens in the moment.
Like you said, you can go tothe gym not feeling like doing
it at all and you start gettingthe flow of these things and you
get that inertia Once you'regoing to get some dopamine
(17:31):
reward, even if you eat a formof exercise that might give you
the opportunity to have thatswitch of, like I feel better
than I did when I walked in.
Sure, like I'm always askingwithin before we start, like why
are we doing this?
Because they would give youenergy.
You're gonna sleep bettertonight.
They're going to feel moreenergetic, like you know,
throughout the rest of today inparticular, you're going to do
(17:52):
that with your mind, like justthinking about all the benefits,
knowing like this is good forme.
This is good for me, even ifyou don't believe it yeah just
saying out loud this is good forme.
Or I want to do this flip, thatswitch in your brain which can
start to give you that biggerdopamine boost that you need to,
the more productive of dopamine, instead of having a solubilist
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before you and that can spinyou off into that mindset.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So sometimes it just takes a month or just a few
words while you're in thatstress yeah, kind of, I love
that reframing that a little bit, reframing the words I get to
work out, I get to communicatewith people, I get to have great
conversations with people, andit lightens the journey a little
bit.
It gets you kind of excited.
Well, what are we going to talkabout or work out with, or
(18:40):
something.
So that in itself changing.
So we have changing the mindsetwe have, how that connects to
the dopamine when we get out of,when we get out of the kind of
I think the words you said, thevictim mentality I have to.
I get to right.
We hear some of this language.
I get to right, we hear some ofthis language.
Just reframing that could createsounds like kind of create that
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kind of kickstart, that emotion.
You referred to it as kind ofthat placebo.
It already kind of gets it inmotion.
There's an excitement thatlives within there which leads
to the motivation.
Yeah, and then, of course, thenthe rewards of working out.
You're actually into the bodywhen we're moving and we're
moving some of that energywithin our body and how that
connects to the healing and ifyou can speak a little bit of
(19:29):
that, I don't want to miss thekey factor of the medicine
itself.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So you can exercise, you can tell your body it's body
truly still clean, you can tellyourself that this is something
that's good for me.
But the material world stillexists.
We do have this biochemicalrelationship with the world
around us, the food we consumeand the body that's carrying us
around, and so within food arethe resources necessary for your
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body to produce theseneurotransmitters.
This is really important.
L-tyrosine is the precursor todopamine.
L-tyrosine is an amino acidthat is found in animal protein
Some nuts, some cheeses butanimal protein is the highest
source.
We get this L-tyrosine If youdo not have the materials to
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create dopamine from, you cansqueeze and squeeze and squeeze,
but that sponge is not going tohave anything for it to become.
So we need to put the nutrientsinto the body for us to be able
to produce theneurotransmitters, and that
production happens within thebrain, but not exclusively.
Our gut microbiome producesneurotransmitters like crazy.
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The gut brain access is.
I mean, it's becoming morewell-studied these days.
There's a lot of misinformationout there and it's really,
really hard to find out what'sgoing on in there, because you
can't get a sample of themicrobe within the gut unless
you literally enter the gut todo it.
We're not sure which probioticscause which neurotransmitters
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to be acquired, but we arecertain that they are present in
the process.
So in order for us to be ableto create dopamine in our brains
, we need a gut microbiome thatcan break food down and create
those neurotransmitters.
We need the front team to bethere to circulate their stuff,
the amino acids, to turn it intoneurotransmitters.
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We need fiber to feed the gutmicrobiome so that we don't have
any time for this and freezethem.
All of these things have to goin there, and if they're not
consuming enough carbon hybrids,they don't have the energy
necessary to do the activitiesto do the things.
But, when they have the carbonhybrids.
This was a clarifyingunderstanding of how the carbon
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breaks down.
How quickly it breaks down isrelated to that further
conversation about dopamine.
And in terms of substancethere's it breaks down is
related to that earlierconversation about dopamine.
And a new substance has a fewfeatures, few characteristics.
It gets into the system quickly, it gives you a high dopamine
spike and it drops off really,really quickly and it's
consistent.
(22:14):
So the mouse study they haddone, they had run the water in
cocaine water and there was abutton in front of the water
bottles so that when they hitthe button the water would come
out.
So they hit the cocaine button.
Cocaine water came out.
After they took the cocaine outof the water they still only
hit that button.
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They created an association ofconsistency.
Every time you hit that button,every time you look in your
phone, every time you see thosegolden arcs, every time you have
this thing, you're going tohave this addictive association.
And food has the same kind ofcharacteristic.
So a simple sugar means that,say, if you get 10 grams of
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fructose you've heard of highfructose corn syrup that means
it has more fructose thanglucose in it, meaning it gets
in your system really, reallyrapidly.
All of it goes up at the sameexact time and it drops down to
the limit, so you begin to havea sedative relationship.
The way that it works on apsychological level is, if you
have a massive influx of energyinto the brain, that can send
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you into a million.
I've seen kids on family they'regoing nuts and then they have a
friend then there's a crash at23, the symptoms of use disorder
and no substances around whosefamily has left him boy.
You bet I was really depressedand really manic I was.
I was unable to manage myemotions.
So we consider the food thatwe're taking in.
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We want to have complexcarbohydrates.
And that would mean somethingwith fiber.
Yeah, yeah, If you're eating theapple, eat the skin of the
apple that has fiber in it.
If you're a full-blown food,you can get the full-brain
cutlets and then just do it inabout 30 minutes, finding out
(24:02):
what sources of energy you'regetting.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Make sure that you have a longer lasting and I
don't have this tire swipe yeah,I think that's important to
understand because, uh, you knowit, carbs, carbs itself, have
such a bad rap sometimes forpeople and they think you know.
But I think it's the the rightkind of.
So it has an even arc and kindof a leveling out, instead of a
(24:25):
high spike and then that deepcrash to um and how important
that is for the functioning ofthe body.
Like you said, what is it?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's the precursor L-thyrosine is a precursor for
dopamine.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And that's from animal protein, it's from food.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Mm-hmm From animal protein and that helps with.
So all of these functions Ithink are so important.
We have mind, we have body, wehave the whole self, kind of
working in this well-oiledmachine, helping to function,
helping us to heal.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When we're thinking about wellness, getting better,
healing, we're all talking aboutfreedom of change Change within
the mind, the literal, physicalmind, our ability to think,
comprehend and take on newhabits.
People would pay an infiniteamount of money to be able take
on new habits and, like people,would pay an infinite amount of
money to be able to controltheir habits and their behaviors
(25:23):
.
I think that is like thegreatest human struggle, just
philosophically.
We all struggle withself-control, and so if you have
the keys to changing yourbehaviors forever, permanent
change towards somethingpositive, you would keep it.
And there's three keys, though.
The three keys are exercise,the new victim and our mindset.
(25:46):
You can exercise all you want,have all the nutrients that you
want, but if you don't have theright mindset, it's not going to
work.
You can exercise and have agreat mindset, but if you're not
eating well, you're not goingto have the materials necessary
to facilitate the change.
And if you're eating reallywell and you've got a great
mindset, that's fine, but you'renot starting your body's
production of opium throughinsulin.
So all three of these thingshave to happen in order to
(26:06):
experience lifestyle change.
What if you're trying to get ajob and, like you, just don't
want to be able to do that.
You do those three things.
You're going to have all theresources necessary to send up
all the resumes or go to schoolor to apply for whatever you
need to do, like, like, ifyou're having trouble with your
relationships and like maybeit's like not feeling this girl
(26:27):
or you have this like reallytroublesome relationship with
her and it's really toxic, likein order for you to get out of
your life and create a newphilosophy of life, how are we
going to do this?
If we don't, you're going toneed to do these three things.
Whatever it is in life thatwe're struggling with these
three things, whatever is inlife that we're struggling with,
the change happens with thosethree pillars.
(26:48):
You can change those habits soyou can build freedoms how do
people get in contact with you?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I think I heard a little bit about because I love
that it.
That's why I wanted to bring itlifestyle change.
You brought in relationships.
You brought in, you know,moving careers and or whatever,
whatever that goal is for thatoutcome for you, these three
pillars that you had discussed,how that can help you move into
building deeper connections,achieving whatever short, long
(27:15):
term things you want.
How do people get in contactwith you and find you?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
so my business is physical business and, uh, it's
built towards a personaltraining.
That's what's going to see likefitness and things like that on
there.
But there is, um, there is acalendar and I won't talk to
anybody.
I anybody who has any problemsgoing on.
I have worked in upwardsanonymous for years and guys are
(27:43):
coming with 25 years ofsobriety Like, hey, man, I've
done the steps and I don't worry, I'm going to do it.
And, frankly, my relationshipwith my wife is just nuts right
now.
I don't know what to do aboutit.
And so I've seen all of thedifferent you know challenges of
life and I've had to addressthose things.
(28:09):
Like I said, like I'm willing totalk to anybody about
whatever's going on and likethey do facilitate a solution
for you, um, and because of myneeds is in like the health and
wellness space, like that'swhere I'm going to start with
and if there's like other, likehigher level mental health care
things, like I've been incontact with treatment centers
in this area and like otherpeople who do more like national
work, like they can give youtreatment if it's not serious.
Like there is always a pathway,there's always a doorway and
I'm always going to offer myresources so you can go to
physicalbusinesscom uh, you canbook like a 30 minute, just like
(28:32):
what's going on, man, um, and Iwill hear you out and I'll give
you the tool that I haveavailable.
And if there's any way that you, you know, we could move
forward with maybe it'sconsultation, maybe it's, you
know, sober coaching, maybe it'snutrition, maybe it's fitness,
like whatever it is I'm willingto help.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Cody man, I love the work that you're doing.
I love these three pillars.
I'm so glad that we ran intoeach other and we were caught.
That was the whole thing.
We were constantly running intothis like, man, we gotta, we
gotta do something here because,uh, learning more about what
you're providing in the healingspace I'm just going to call it
the healing space, Cause it'sagain, it's outside of the rooms
(29:15):
technically about lifestyle.
I'm I'm passionate about I, I,uh, I want to know more about
that, Even some of the thingsthat you were just talking about
.
So I was like, yeah, that'strue.
I really appreciate you takingthe time today to come here and
shed some wisdom for all of us,to take bits and pieces and
start applying them to our life.
(29:35):
Again, if you need an extrapush or more information, again,
I'll have Cody's informationhere and you can look and get in
contact with him, set up adiscovery call, see where you
might be stuck in your life,whatever you need, and I'm sure
he'll make the time.
What a great, what a great guyyou are, Cody.
Really a pleasure to have youtoday, my friend.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Hey, I'm honored man.
I'm honored that you had me on.
You're a guy I really respect.
You really walk the walk youknow as well as so eloquently
and gently talk to me.
I think that a lot of peopleare going to benefit from just
being in proximity to you andthe company you keep.
I think that you're a real lifefor this world and I'm just so
grateful to be a part of yourown journey your own, you know,
(30:19):
hero.
It's hard to think of how manypeople we can help.
Your own, you know, hero.
It's hard to like how manypeople we can help, um.
So to have you know anotherbrother on the on the
battlefield on the front line is, I'm really honored by this,
thank you yes, thank you, mybrother, and that is today's
episode of men uncaved.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Of course, my name is shane coyle.
I will have all of cody'sconnected links in the in the
caption below, so please take alook at the beautiful work he is
doing.
And again, we need to come outof hiding.
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