We're starting a 7-part series entitled "Get a New Full-Time Job."
This series mimics the more in-depth group program called "Get a New Full-Time Job." You can find out more about the group program here: https://www.saverstreet.com/service-page/find-a-new-ft-job-group-coaching-session
Class 1: Find Your Full-Time Fit
Class 2: Create an AI-Proof Resume and Cover Letter
Class 3: Cultivate a Professional Online Presence
Class 4: Network Without Desperation
Class 5: Interview Like a Boss
Class 6: Negotiate Your Salary Offer
Class 7: Set Yourself Up for Success
This podcast episode includes a few stories about finding the best full-time fit for your industry and department.
Finding your fit is about marrying your personality, skills and future skills, and passions. Let's talk about what that looks like and how to find your next best-fit job.
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Episode Transcript
is.
If you have found yourself in acareer that is draining you,
then it might be time to find anew full-time job, and it might
be time to evaluate what yournext best fit opportunity is, to
evaluate what a fulfillingcareer for you would be and I
mean you, not your parents, notyour sister, not your brother,
not your best friend, I mean you.
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What is going to be fulfillingto you, and does that require
you to jump industries anddepartments?
It might.
It might.
Welcome to Management Material.
My name is Katherine Vanderlaan.
I started my career at thebottom as an assistant and
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worked my way up to become theboss's boss in eight years.
And, man, I love management.
Welcome back to ManagementMaterial.
I am your host, catherineVanderlaan, and I am so happy to
be starting a new series herewith you today.
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In the last episode, we talkedabout the difference between
management and leadership, andhow you can become a leader even
if you're not a manager, andhow becoming a leader helps you
become management material.
Well, today we're starting anew series in how to get a new
full-time job, because there's alot going on in the world right
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now.
I'm hearing about layoff afterlayoff after layoff.
I'm hearing about companiescutting corners and people
having to leave them because ofit.
I am just for moral reasons.
I am hearing about a lot just alot of not great stuff.
So people are looking for newjobs right now and I'm happy to
help you.
I have a whole group programfor it, so I'm going to give you
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a snippet into that to help youfind your next best fit
opportunity.
So here's how you find the newjob that you want to go into.
Whether you have a job now ornot, this is for everyone.
This isn't really just forwomen or men or leaders or
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individual contributors ormanagers.
This is a framework that willhelp you find your next
opportunity and make sure thatit's a good fit for you.
I was reading a statistic theother day that said that in 2024
, 95% of corporate employees arelooking for a new job, and
that's a huge.
That's a lot of people.
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That is a lot of people, and solet's get into how you do that.
How do I identify the bestopportunities?
I was talking to a recruiter theother day just to get some
information, and she knew it andI knew it, and we were having a
fun conversation here, but Iwas talking to her about what
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she.
She was a corporate recruiter.
She was working within acompany looking at different job
applicants and she talked to meabout this one applicant who
had applied to something like 10or 12 different jobs at her
firm and she thought, well, I'mnot sure that I would recommend
that person to any of the hiringmanagers, regardless of whether
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they fit that position or not,because that person didn't seem
to know what she wanted to do.
She was applying to anythingand I think I.
She didn't tell me who it was,but we got into that person's
profile and she said it seemedlike they were recently laid off
in a big layoff at a big techcompany and so they were
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applying to almost anything thatthey could find and make their
own, anything that wasmarginally connected to what
they had been doing.
So she rejected that candidatebecause they didn't have any
direction.
They didn't seem like they knewwhat they wanted.
So that got me thinking how doessomebody find their next best
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fit opportunity?
How do you figure out where yougo when you have been working
in a department for a littlewhile, or maybe not even a
little while?
What is going to help peoplefind their next job?
So in in talking with a fewother folks and you might want
to write this out, okay I thinkof it as like a three-way Venn
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diagram.
So three circles, one, two,three.
In one of the circles you haveall of your skills.
In another circle you have yourpersonality and in another
circle you have your passions.
I was thinking about that nextjob and how it's a marriage.
If you want to feel good aboutwhat you're doing, if you want
to grow in your next position,then it really should be a
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marriage between or like a niceartsy finding, artistic finding
between the skills you currentlyhave and want to build the
personality that you have andthe passions that you have.
And I don't mean like passionsas in quilting although you I
guess you could make a job outof that if you wanted to start
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your own company or if there isa quilting company out there I
don't actually know if there isbut I mean passions.
Passions like I love to see theworld become a better place,
and in this way, likesustainability or working to fix
global warming or somethinglike that right Passions that
you have, for example, in my ownI love to see people grow.
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I absolutely love to see peoplegrow, grow in there.
I mean in many ways.
I love to see people grow intheir faith.
That's part of what I do.
I love to see people grow intheir skill sets.
I love to see people grow asleaders.
That's what we do here, rightIs help you grow as a leader,
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develop that EQ, develop yourcommunication skills, develop
your managerial skills, yourleadership skills.
All of that that I love that.
I love developing people.
So I do that a lot and that'sactually pretty much my entire
job.
At this point, actually, let mejust tell you a story.
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Let me tell you a story about awoman that I was working with
and we did this exercise.
We do this in group coachingand I do this one-on-one with
people too.
She had no idea where shewanted to go.
She was in sales and wasn'tentirely sure if she was cut out
for sales or wanted to stay insales.
It is a grueling profession.
It has changed a little bit,but not that much.
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There are pretty high quotasand then there's a lot of
restructuring and layoffs, sothere's a lot of stress and
instability and just not reallymy favorite place to be in the
world.
I've been in sales a lot.
I'm pretty good at it, stilldon't like it.
So I understood her, absolutelyunderstood her.
She was in sales.
Wasn't sure if she wanted to bein sales, but she had all these
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skills right.
She had communication skills.
She had organizational skills.
She had a degree in finance.
She had team building skills.
She had organizational skills.
She had a degree in finance.
She had team building skills.
She had appointment settingskills.
She listed out all of herskills and then she went yeah,
this looks like a sales position.
It's not really my gig.
So then we started talking abouther personality.
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She was naturally moreintroverted than extroverted,
and now you're going to see howthis doesn't really fit into
sales.
She was naturally not asorganized.
She was naturally more of astoryteller instead of a data
analyst.
She was naturally more of acommunity organizer.
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She had this very bigpersonality and also needed a
lot of downtime.
So I would have called her anambivert.
She called herself an introvert.
I would have said an ambivert,I'm an ambivert.
I basically I switched fromintrovert to extrovert depending
on the situation.
But when I am, when I'm wornout boy, do people need to leave
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me alone?
So I get a little grouchy andmy kids kind of know they're
like Ooh mom's tired.
So this was very, very close toher personality.
This is she put in a few otherthings.
She loves to have deepconversations with people, she
loves to see people thrive.
And now we're kind of gettinginto her passions, right.
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So her passions were allcentered around building up low
income communities.
She has some heritage in EastAfrica.
She wanted to exploreinfrastructure in East Africa,
whether it was a communityinfrastructure or whether it was
improving access to a lot ofdifferent resources in her home
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country.
I'm not naming it for a reasonI don't want to give away who
she is.
In case you know her or in caseshe's listening, you can
identify yourself.
Hello, if you want to, youdon't have to.
And so we talked through thosethree bubbles.
We fleshed them out a lot more,and for anyone who doesn't know
what fleshed out means, thatjust means we put the details in
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there.
So all of those details broughtme and brought her away from
sales as her long-term gig.
Yeah, she could do it, she wasgood at doing it, but it drained
her, and if you're relying onlyon your skills to figure out
what your next job is, you mightfind that that next job drains
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you because you're not thinkingabout your personality and
you're not thinking about yourpassions.
If your next job switchesindustries because of your
passions or switches departmentsbecause of your personality,
then you're probably going tofind that you're, instead of
being drained, you are beingfilled, and that's what we call
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a fulfilling career.
That's what I call a best fitopportunity.
Right, a fulfilling career anda best fit opportunity.
It's a job that, yeah, it'swork.
Don't get me wrong.
You're not going to fulfillthat old phrase that's like oh,
if you love what you do, you'llnever work a day in your life.
That's crap, that's stupid.
Of course you're working.
Of course you're working.
Work is work and you're notgoing to enjoy everything you do
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.
So get that out of your head.
You're going to be working,great, wonderful.
I don't like recording podcasts,but I do it because people love
podcasts and I'm pretty good atit and it actually it fills me.
It fills me, but it is work.
So actually I I stopped.
I love making courses and I dolove recording podcasts.
It's just that it is work.
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There is some work to do inthere and not every single thing
that I do with podcasts is fun.
For me.
That shifting her industry andshifting her department would
help her in those other bubblesher personality bubble and her
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passion bubble and now she'sworking toward finding
opportunities in thoseindustries.
There's a little bit more of ahurdle, like a belief of do my
skills translate?
Can I find anything?
Will it seem like?
Is this too hard to do this?
And the answer to all of thoseis yes, your skills translate.
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Yes, it's going to be hard andyou can still do it.
So here's the bottom line.
Here's your application.
Bottom line is, if you havefound yourself in a career that
is draining you, then it mightbe time to find a new full-time
job and it might be time toevaluate what your next best fit
opportunity is, to evaluatewhat a fulfilling career for you
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would be and I mean you, notyour parents, not your sister,
not your brother, not your bestfriend, I mean you.
What is going to be fulfillingto you?
And does that require you tojump industries and departments?
It might.
It might.
I have some resources for youand I'm also happy to have a
conversation with you.
If you think that you wouldlike to join the beta program or
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get a new full-time job, thencontact me.
I'd like to get you signed up,I need a minimum of 10, maybe 15
people to launch the betaprogram.
I don't want to start it withlike one or two people.
I want to start it with 10 or15.
So if you think that you want tofind a new full-time job this
year and you would like someguidance, some structures, some
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framework, some resources and acommunity that is all doing that
together, then contact me andwe'll see if you're a good fit
for that.
Otherwise, I also have a quizthat will help you find the
corporate department that fitsyou best.
So go ahead and either contactme at the link below or take the
quiz and I might reach out atthe end anyway, which you can
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ignore if you want to.
That's fine, you can ignore me.
So go ahead, click one of thoselinks below.
Let's get you to a fulfillingcareer and your next best fit
opportunity.
All right, this has beenmanagement material.
My name is Catherine Vanderlaanand I will see you in the next
episode.
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