March 17, 2025 • 49 mins
Education isn't one-size-fits-all, and the traditional path through college may not be the best option for everyone in today's rapidly changing technological landscape.
• College degrees are still necessary for specialized fields like medicine and law
• Trade schools offer direct paths to high-paying careers with less debt
• Content creation becoming oversaturated like professional sports—not everyone can make it
• AI replacing service jobs and changing employment landscape
• Self-education through books, mentorships crucial regardless of formal education
• Focus on your desired lifestyle first, then choose the right vehicle to get there
• Your twenties are the time to take risks, work hard, and try everything
• Mentorship especially needed in the Black community to guide youth through career decisions
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Stretch the brain.
It doesn't help you withknowledge, it's just there from
a memory bench you can just pullfrom anywhere.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Right.
So then that goes back to whatis knowledge.
Is knowledge because youmemorize it, or is knowledge
because you can regurgitate it?
Because of both?
Well, if I can regurgitate itbecause I'm retrieving it, then
I'm still so knowledgeable.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, take that chip off and you're pretty much a
fucking dummy.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, if I take a drive and nail spike through
your head, you're gonna be adummy too, man, you're it's two
different things.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're killing a whole machine, the person it's
different, like I, I don't know.
Like.
Are you saying that you'd bedown with you?
Sound like you'd be down for it, oh 100, really I wouldn't
forget anything.
I wouldn't need a calendar.
That's crazy.
You can probably just startgoing into your remote.
Y'all need to hear the rest ofthis conversation, which
basically started out comparingtraditional higher learning,
(00:46):
such as college, toself-education, life experience
or even trade school.
Which road did you take?
And, better yet, what will yourecommend to your own children?
Now, my co-host Jabari and I,we share our thoughts and
experiences on both.
Somehow we ended up talkingabout AI, but, trust me, it all
(01:10):
ties in well together.
Welcome to Manhood Matters.
Let's get to it.
I know a lot of people strugglewith do I bother going to
college?
It's a sham.
I know that my son in thefourth grade was already saying
(01:41):
college is a scam.
I'm not doing this.
I'm like dude, you're like six,be quiet.
Saying college is a scam, I'mnot doing this.
I'm like dude, you're you're.
You're like six, be quiet, youknow.
But he actually had made up hismind about it and he's very
smart and he reads a lot.
So what the landscape is goingto look like, especially with
the advent of AI, and what thatlooks like.
So for you, for example, you'recollege educated, you went the
traditional route right.
(02:02):
What was that journey for youand what is it?
Something you chose foryourself, or were there like it
was non-negotiable, gotcha, itwas definitely non-negotiable.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So my mom's a doctor, right.
So she came over to fromJamaica to the States when she
was in her early twenties.
Um, it was like she just knew,like I'm going to be a doctor
when I grow up.
So she was like I'm going tocome to the States.
She went to prestigiousuniversities, got a degree.
Obviously, when you know, mysister and I were kids.
She's like you guys are goingto be doctors, so got the best
(02:34):
you know, got really goodeducations.
And then when I got to highschool, I kind of shifted from
being a nerd to an athlete.
And when you're an athlete,when you're done with high
school, the next step is to gocompete in college.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Right.
So my journey is probably alittle different than most,
because for me, my senior yearturned into, you know, my dad
was like my manager, right, hewas the one that was, you know,
talking to colleges and settingup my, my recruiting trips,
talking to scouts oh, notnecessarily scouts, but like, I
(03:06):
guess, just to call it, thecoaches from those universities.
Yeah, cause I was, I was good,but I wasn't like top three in
the country, right, um, untillike my, until I'd already
picked a school to go to, andthen I competed between high
school and college, but for meit was.
It was just an assumption,right, it wasn't a do I go to
(03:26):
high school or do I go tocollege?
Do I just go work?
It's like, no, you, you have to, whether it was academically or
athletically, like I had to goto college to move forward
because, you know, I'm 46.
So 20 odd, some odd years ago,you had to have a college degree
if you wanted to get a quote,unquote job, right, that was the
new standard.
(03:46):
Before then it was you needed ahigh school, high school degree
.
That was a standard, right yeahand then as you and I got older,
it went from oh that's nice,that's cute that you have a
college degree, but you have amaster's right.
And then in my mind I was likewhen I was younger I was like
crap, like in 20 years it's notgoing to be.
Do you, you have a master's, doyou have a PhD?
Just to be a general manager atArby's right.
And the world changed and thenthe world changed right, and
(04:10):
it's going to always continue tochange.
And now the generations that wehave coming up, now it's I just
want to make money.
Who's making money the fastest?
Oh, these people on socialmedia are making money the
fastest.
They don't have college degrees.
It looks like they're having agreat time and so they're
emulating the lifestyle thatthey see, which isn't real.
Hopefully they know that whatyou see online is not real and
(04:31):
they're equating that with well,I can be a millionaire and I
don't have to go to college.
I don't have to go to school, Idon't have to work hard, I need
to just be.
I need to just get likes Rightand then, with the likes becomes
the advertising dollars andwith that I become rich.
With the likes becomes theadvertising dollars and with
that I become rich.
So it's the traditional thoughtof you know my parents or my
mom, you know of you graduateand then you find a job and then
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you work for 40 something yearsand then you retire and you've
got your pension, your socialsecurity and you've got some
savings, and then you live outthe next five to 20 years, right
, and when you're 65, with yourmoney and you'd be happy then
right.
But those 40 years is going tobe, you're going to be working.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was going to say there's so many people go back
to work after that first careerthey really can't even retire, I
mean depending on what type ofjob they had.
For me, that path was different.
I initially thought I was goingto college.
I wanted to go right after highschool.
I did well enough playingsoccer, to you know.
I thought I was going tocollege.
I wanted to go right after highschool.
I did well enough playing soccer, to you know, I had a couple
offers that fell through because, you know, I was going to live
with my dad and that ended upnot happening.
(05:31):
So instead of me just saying,hey, I'm going to make it happen
anyway, I kind of found that,oh my God, look at all the
freedom.
I'm going to have All the freetime and I'm not going to do any
.
I'll go to work, maybe, orwhatever, but I'm just going to
focus on just play music andmaybe get a side job here and
there.
And I was going nowhere.
Nowhere for a while until afriend of mine that I used to
(05:52):
date what was his name?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it's a whole.
Men and women can't be friends,so stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So she right, so she calls me, we're having this
conversation and she's like whatare you doing?
Like what are you up to, likewhat's going on with you?
And I was like nothing.
It was just at the time.
I'm just living with someone,I'm not doing shit with my life,
I'm just, you know, living withsomeone, I'm not doing shit
with my life, I'm just, you know.
Again, I'm waiting for themusic thing to kind of take off
and I needed that sense ofdirection.
She just called me one day.
She was like hey, can you doyou know where your social
(06:31):
security card is?
I was like yeah.
She was like you got a license?
I was like yeah.
She stopped by.
She said get in the car.
Next thing, you know, I'mpulling up to Queensborough
college and that, and that's howI got enrolled in school in my
early 20s.
And she's because I wasn'tgoing.
You know, one year of a let'snot go to school yet turned into
(06:51):
two, into three years and nextyou know I wasn't doing shit.
Um, you know, the music thingwasn't working, it wasn't taking
off and of course I have thiscrazy addictive personality to
not just to to certain goals too.
So my mindset is I know that Ican do it, so I wasn't stopping,
I was just going and going andit didn't really matter if I
just like lost everything onthis gamble, because, again,
(07:14):
this is before I had kids.
But when I got to college, Iwas Dean's List every single
time Because it was a decisionthat I didn't really make the
decision, but I wanted to bethere.
So I was like this is good,this is what I need to be doing.
I was just really doing really,really well.
But after those two years, man,I got my associates and I
didn't follow through.
I got another associatesbecause I thought I wanted to be
(07:36):
a graphic designer.
Still searching for what I'mlooking for, I ended up going to
school for that, worked in afield for a little bit, had my
own business and moved on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't think a college degree is needed, unless
you're trying to do somethingthat's extremely specific, where
you need that, like if you wantto go be a heart surgeon.
Yes, I think you needed tospecialize.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
There's a traditional route for certain things,
Exactly, and you can't decide.
You're going to do it your way.
It has to be the yeah, you haveto pass the bar.
If you're going to be a lawyer,you can't enter law school
unless you have you know exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But I think if you're just like I want to go get a
job, I don't think younecessarily need to go to
college for that.
You may want to go to like atrade school, or you may want to
just get life experiences, oryou can go look up the
information yourself.
If you're studious enough, andyou want to go download the
information into your brain,perfect Right.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But depending on what you are trying to do, I don't
think you need to go to college.
So what's the message here?
There's three differentmessages.
A you need to know what youwant to do.
Yeah so would you say.
If you don't know that, youshould be enrolled in school.
You should be going to collegebecause you're not sure.
Yet you haven't made up yourmind because, worst case
scenario, at least you get thatdegree.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And it'll, and it'll open you up to experiences,
right, Because you'll?
You may start off undecided oryou may start off I was in a
major in biology and then a yearlater you're like I'm going to
major in communication.
And then a year later you'relike, okay, I figured it out, I
want to be in advertising If youknow what you want to do and
you don't need a college degreeto do it or the experience that
you're like if you want to be amechanic, yeah, you can go to
(09:01):
college and get a degree, or youcan just go to a shop and bust
your ass yeah, but you stillneed certifications and things
like that yeah, but if you're atthe shop and you learn how to
do it, I'm sure you're going tobe able to pass the test in
order to get certified yeah, andthat and that certification
test is not a college class whatare your thoughts on?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
because it's always been underestimated.
You know, the vocationalschools, oh, and a trade school
and things like that.
It used to be the kind of thingthat if you went 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, if you went to school.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
you got out of high school and you went to school
for you know plumbing.
Oh my God, that's what you wentto school for.
You know whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
He was a dumb, dumb Well hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There's a few jobs that AI cannot take away.
Yeah, right, yeah.
And plumbers are expensive.
Let me tell you A hundredpercent.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You know, show up.
Yeah, exactly they're expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All these different jobs, refrigeration, age, age,
back tax, all these people youcould have a very, very
wonderful life and a great,successful career.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
If you look at a like Roto-Rooter right, I'm sure the
gentleman that startedRoto-Rooter was probably a
plumber.
I guarantee you he's notsticking his hand down any
toilets today.
If you want to be a plumber,yeah, you can go to vocational
school and learn that, and let'ssay you do that.
But you still have anentrepreneurial mindset.
Well, maybe you start off as aplumber and then a couple of
years down the road you get yourown truck.
(10:17):
A year down the road and youhave a friend that's doing well,
you hire them on.
Now you have two trucks.
Five years down the road, allof a sudden you have a building.
Five years down the road, allof a sudden you have two
buildings.
You have two locations.
Now you're what?
30.
Your company's revenuepotentially could be seven
figures a year.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean, how?
Where else are you going to be30, making 7 million, seven
figures a year in revenue?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If you go to college and you get a business degree,
maybe you're working at acompany.
You're working for the guy thatstarted his company.
You're working for the plumbernow.
Right, so the guy that you're-making fun of in high school,
like oh, it's dumb ass with theplumbing school.
It's like, yeah, laugh it upnow, because in 10 years you
might be working for that guy.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
There's that, and then there's the, as you
mentioned before.
You know you have a lot of kidswho are seeing that the
conventional routes are not it,and I think content creation is
becoming like elite sportsEveryone can play basketball.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But not everyone can play basketball, not everyone
can be in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Not everyone can get to the NFL, but every kid is
playing peewee football, but atsome point 1% of 1% is going to
make it into the big leagues.
So I think it's becoming thatway, for content creation is
obviously crazy saturated, butwho's not a content creator?
There's no barrier of entry.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We're doing it right now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, so when kids are watching that.
So what are your thoughts on?
Is there a danger to wherethey're headed if they're not
going back to the traditionalschools, college et cetera?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think you have to have a strong foundation, right?
If you look at like the Paulbrothers, or if you look at Mr
Beast, like yeah, they'recontent creators, but they have
actual businesses.
These are people that are verygood at business and they're
able to have these businesses,but yeah, they started off.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I was going to say the, the, the business get
funded because of the contentcreation.
It did.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But at some point your content, like everyone, was
a YouTube star, right, and thenit was an Instagram star, and
then it was a Tik TOK star, andthen, I'm sure, within the next
few years, it's going to besomething else, whatever.
I can't even imagine what itcould be right, but you have to
be able to be smart enough topivot.
But you're going to need tohave the tools and the knowledge
(12:30):
to know how to pivot and alsoto create multiple lines of
income.
Right, because of Mr Beast orthe Paul brothers.
If they solely relied on peopleclicking, like then, they
wouldn't have as much money asthey have today.
I mean, I just saw a commercialfor Mr Beast's Taco Bell line,
right, like, that's smart.
Like they're out there creatingother lines of income.
So, if you have a, I'm sure atsome point, whether they wanted
(12:51):
to admit it or not, they eitherlearn business the hard way,
which is by losing millions andmillions of dollars, or they had
people that run all that stufffor them, or in their spare time
, they took a class or they reada book yeah but somehow they
downloaded that knowledge thatwould help them.
Okay, I want to start a businessbecause I don't want to be
broken five years if youtubegoes away.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do something just to gain additional information so
I'm a big, big proponent ofself-education.
Reading books, I think, isnon-negotiable.
The things that you learn, Imean, if you read, for example,
how to win friends and influencepeople, if you read, uh, seven
habits, if you do these simplethings, I promise you, uh,
jabari, uh they're.
(13:29):
I'm reading those books lateron in life, right Like, I read
them obviously several times now, but I'm going.
If I had known this right here,these seven habits, or just how
to win friends and influencepeople and not friends, that's
not really what the book's about.
I don't need more friends,that's not what it's about.
But if I knew how to apply thatin the workplace, oh my God,
(13:50):
the places I could have gone.
And and so I think about that,I go.
You know, this is what is socritical to invest in yourself.
And it's so simple becausewe're talking about a 10, $15
book that you just or library,yeah, exactly.
Find it online Find it onlineexactly and these libraries, by
the way, I'm finding out, thereyou basically get a library card
and you can get the digitalversion of it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you can actually keep that digital
version forever or give it back,but it's unlimited.
You have so much access.
Oh nice, it's crazy.
I even talked about this in thepast, where I would say say
that if you can invest even asmall percentage I used to say
10%, whatever, but backingyourself in your own education,
whether it be a seminar, whetherit be a mentorship program,
whatever it is just set thataside for whenever you need to
(14:31):
take that class, and I don'tmean a traditional class, but it
could be going to a TonyRobbins thing, it could be going
to an Eric Thomas event.
Hell, coming to one of my eventswhen I'm ready you know, and
come learn something and just bearound like-minded individuals
pay for that education in otherways.
That is going to be.
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It's going to be amazing.
So, yeah, I'm a big believer inthat.
I'm also really careful to,because I've had this
conversation with a young manand he was basically saying hey,
you know, Zuckerberg is acollege dropout.
I said, well, well, I'll say itwell pause pause.
First of all, pause.
Let's pause for a second.
He dropped out of harvard.
(15:11):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So slow down.
Yeah, I know there's legacy Iknow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I know there's legacy admissions etc.
I don't know if he was one, buthe was still at harvard, yeah,
so if you are dropping out ofharvard, you're not a dumb ass.
You had to just been there inthe first place.
Same thing with Gates.
Gates is a genius, his IQ isvery high and he's been
programming If you read hisstory and if you read Outliers
(15:37):
with Gladwell, where he was andthe opportunity that he had
where he was doing programmingsince he was like 11 or 12 years
old.
And, yeah, if he decides to goto college, but he's been doing
programming for 10 plus years,yes, of course he can drop out
of college.
He can teach the class.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, so it makes a big difference.
He's wasting his time incollege.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Exactly so when we talk about, you know, when I
talk to young kids, it was justlike, well, you know, so-and-so
dropped out.
I'm like, well, look at theirsituation, Look at yours.
You know what are you going tobe doing, but of course, again,
I'm not advocating college,right?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So I'll tell you right now I've got a friend.
I didn't mean to cut you off, Ihave a friend, I'm not going to
say this person's name, joe.
We'll call him Joe.
Joe works for one of thelargest insurance companies in
the world.
Joe is a very degree.
They believe that he does.
Joe attended university.
Joe did not finish university.
Joe's degree if he would havegotten one I don't think would
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have helped him attain the job.
I think he was just smartenough and savvy enough to get
in on the ground floor and hejust busted his ass and worked
his way to the top.
Now am I advocating for peoplegetting fake degrees or lying
about whether or not they have adegree?
No, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But to my point, you don't necessarily need to have a
college degree to work at alarger company.
Obviously, you went to schoolyou finished.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You got your four-year degree.
Did you go any higher?
Did you get a graduate?
I knew why I was there.
I was at that university to runtrack at that university.
Right, if I happened to comeout with a college degree, that
was great.
The biggest thing that Ilearned in college was how to
influence people, and I say thatbecause-.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And that was by sheer exposure, or was that some kind
of class that you were takingthat?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
was because I didn't want to go to class anymore, but
I knew that I had to get a goodenough grade in order to
graduate.
So I think it was my junioryear I instituted the uh, no
alarm clock rule.
So whenever I woke up, if Imade it to your class, I made it
to your class.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And then I really messing with the athletes that
much.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
There, there was, there was some of that right.
There was.
You know, I'm not going to lieabout that.
There was definitely some ofthat.
There are rules, but rules arenot written in stone.
If you're able to communicatewith certain people that have
the power, they can change therules.
I feel like the generationsthat are high school and early
college now.
I feel like a lot more of thosekids are wanting to do their
(18:08):
own thing or start their ownthing, and you don't need a
college degree to start your ownthing.
You may need the information orthe college degree to help you
maybe get that start, but if wekeep using that plumber example,
I mean you don't need a collegedegree to be a plumber to then
own your own plumbing business.
Correct, maybe the vocationalschool will help you there.
Right, and even if you don'twant to own your own business, I
mean you can still be a damngood plumber or a mechanic or
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some other trade and still make100K plus a year.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean it's funny because it's like you skip out
in college.
You come out of high school forthe next four years.
You go out and you work and youstart making six figures versus
your buddy who goes to college.
Who's now what?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
three hundred thousand dollars in debt right,
that's the part that's making60k a year and spending so much
like a whole decade, two decadesto pay it all back and then 30
of your paycheck, after taxes,is going towards paying back the
university and maybe it's justbeing in that environment in
Atlanta.
So many people here with moneylike there are successful that
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are not necessarily collegeeducated.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
A lot of them are.
They're starting their ownbusinesses.
They're doing their thing.
They're just kicking ass andthey're doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But they're not content creators and they're not
doing some silly ass dance.
They're not waiting for thatlottery to hit in terms of like
oh, I got picked up by thislabel, whatever they for that
lottery to hit in terms of likeoh I got picked up by this label
, whatever.
They're just creatingbusinesses and they're doing
amazing things, and I'm seeingthis decline in higher college
education.
I'm almost applauding it in away.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, how many times have you heard this sentence?
Hey, yeah, this is what I'mdoing right now, but really I'm
a, and then it's a slashy right.
I am a this slash, this slash,this slash, this right, because
they know of all the things thatthey're doing, one of them is
going to take off right, so theyhave their multiple streams of
income.
(19:54):
And I'm not bashing college.
I think college is right for alot of people, but it's also not
right.
My wife right now.
She's a doctor and she has sixfigures worth of student loans
to be paid back still.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
High six figures.
I didn't know that about her.
Yeah, did your mother force youto marry her?
Because you're marrying thisone.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, you know MDs and non-MDs.
You know they feel a certainway towards non-MDs.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's funny.
I've had this discussion withseveral people.
We look at AI and a lot ofpeople are terrified, Even
though I've had this discussionwith several people.
We look at AI and a lot ofpeople are terrified, even
though everyone's using it.
Everyone's using it to somedegree.
I use it quite a bit, butpeople are looking at what's
coming.
To me it's very much like whatwas happening in the late 90s
early 2000,.
When the internet was just thedot-com era.
(20:39):
Yeah, it's like in 97, 98, wellearlier than that really.
But yeah, it's like, you know,in 97, 98, well earlier than
that really.
But when it really boomed waslike when everyone's on the
Internet, even if they had dialup, people were terrified of
what this thing was going to do.
So now robots are going toreplace us and everything else.
Well, now you have AI, which iscertainly capable of replacing
a lot of people, Correct, wejust replaced.
We had five account executivesat our company that were making
(21:03):
calls to clients, to homeowners,rather to try to book
inspections for the sales repsto go out and meet with those
people, and they all gotreplaced by one AI bot who can
have a very intelligentconversation, not be stumped,
even when you throw her.
(21:24):
I want to see her a curve balland handle.
We were asking these reps tomake 250 calls a day.
Right, she's capable of making5,000 calls a day because she
can call for five differentcompanies at once.
So be on five differentconversations and she's just the
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one thing and there's nocomplaint, there's no calling
out, there's no lunch break.
She just dials and dials and thefeelings aren't hurt because
you don't know how many calls Iwould field from my reps, who
would call me and just say I'mjust like getting peed up.
Today.
Customers are so mean.
Customers are saying this andyou can tell there's emotion
because, again, we are human, sothey're getting hung up on.
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Someone's telling them to goget a real job.
You fucking suck.
Blah, blah, blah and they needto pause.
They'll tell me I need a break,I need to stop for like an hour
.
Come back to this.
Then they'll call me and belike I don't know if I can get
back to this today.
Robot has zero feelings.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Exactly, it does not give a shit.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I heard I listened to one call where someone says
wait a second, are you an AI?
She fucking lied, dude.
It was insane.
I have the recording.
I was like wait a minute, canyou do that?
Take it over, and I own thisthing.
And I'm going to wait a minuteCause because she, she thought
for half a second and she saysno, sir, I'm a real person, just
calling to see if we can helpyou get an inspection and get
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your roof inspected bye-bye.
And I'm she gonna.
She goes on with the script, soshe goes it's thursday or
friday, best for you.
She goes right back to closingand I'm like wait, he just
slides to the goggles, so you'rea real person.
She goes absolutely with a smileand I'm like holy hell you know
it's a different thing when theprogramming can be autonomous
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to because it's self-learning toto the point where it can
actually lie.
I have a pretty nice version ofit, but it's still not what,
like, giant companies would own.
You know what I mean?
Or what the government wouldown.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, or what the governmentwould own, and this is what this
thing is doing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So it's going to take a lot of jobs, it's going to
replace a lot of people,especially when you know, in
areas that are very dominant andit comes to industries where
black people um have a lot ofjobs service industry, food
service, things like that.
These things are becoming moreautomated, more and more.
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I can't remember the last timeI went into McDonald's and
talked to a person I just push afew buttons, just wait for my
food to come out, and they yella number.
True, right, but now you'rereducing the amount of people
that need to be there.
How is this going to impact ourcommunity and people overall in
regards to them going to school, if a lot of the jobs are going
to be replaced by AI anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
What you're going to see is an even greater reduction
in college and universityadmissions, because everyone's
going to start a business that'sgoing to rely on AI.
So it's like you're telling methat I can create an entire
workforce.
I can spend X amount of dollarson this program that can write
my business plan, that can runthe business for me and I just
make sure that I do the upkeep.
So I don't need to go tocollege, I don't need to wake up
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at 8 am, I can just go hang outwith my friends and I just keep
checking my bank account and Ijust make sure that the money
keeps going into my account.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You need to have a hell of a plan in order for that
to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You just sell some shit.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Online, just online, like you, just figure out what's
the hottest thing, sell that.
Well, you don't need to figurethat out, the AI is going to
figure that out Because, well,even to that right, I'll create
a prompt.
For example, someone else willcreate a prompt and what I get
back is 10 times better thanwhat the other person gets back.
Because if what goes into thatprompt, you can't just be
airhead and just be like AI,hook me up, you know, do this
and just give them some kind ofvague answer.
You'll still get somethingthat's better than what you
would have come up with.
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But if you're really granularwith it and you really break it
down and give them details andyou just break this thing really
, really, really down, you canget some incredible responses
(25:40):
no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Think less and less.
Do you remember the 30 yearsago?
If you didn't know how to spella word, what you had to do?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
yeah, go to the dictionary.
You had to go look it up in adictionary, but I know how to
spell every word, so I'm good1993 1994, spelling bee champion
.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
But I mean like there's a lot of stuff, like
there's skills that you don'tneed to necessarily have anymore
.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Like uh, cursive?
No one writes in cursiveanymore because everyone thinks
then in print, because peopledon't write letters, they just
write emails.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So sad.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's like multiplication table.
When is that going to go away?
It's like why do I need to knowhow to memorize?
Do it on my phone, Right.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That very, very.
You know it's a slippery slopeman.
It's really scary.
Like that we are to me, likethe brain is like a muscle, and
I'm no expert on this, but I dobelieve that if you don't
exercise it, you lose it.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What's a muscle?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I like facts.
I like learning about thingsthat I don't know about.
Biggest pet peeve I have ispeople saying the wrong words,
using the words in the wrongcontext misspelling shit you
know putting in apostrophe S,when you meant plural instead of
possessive.
Like dumb shit, like that.
I'm like, do we even care?
It's just, do we not even careanymore?
And it comes across that way.
(26:52):
For me it's like well, ai willfix it, like, and I can just
tell it what to do.
And now you can read.
You can kind of like readsomething and know you didn't
write this.
This is all AI.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And then you've got Elon with the Neuralink thing.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So they're implanting chips in people's brains to
help them.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
All right, hang on, hang on pause.
Is this going to be one ofthose conspiracy theory?
No, no, no.
This is true.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Like they've already started doing this.
Like you, people's brains Tohelp you do what you can store
information.
You can use it to move a mouse.
They've already implanted chipsin people's brains to help them
control computers, even beforeElon.
This is like quadriplegics, orpeople that have been paralyzed
and they can't use their handsand legs right Gotcha.
So, like Stephen Hawking Well,that was really more of just
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using his eyes to move the mouseon the keyboard that he was
looking at.
But there's chips in people'sbrains this is nothing new where
they can think and it'll movethe mouse to where it needs to
go, as they're looking at ascreen to get things done, to
communicate right.
So the next level is okay.
Now can we store information ina chip that is also retrievable
(28:03):
by the brain?
So if you need to know what 847times 3,654 is, 37.
Close.
You just missed it, it was 26.
You know that that chip will beable to do the calculation for
you and then give you thatanswer.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You just think it and boom, it's there.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, so that's the next level of where that's going
.
But then to your point, ifyou're merely just having to
rely on the chip, then you'renot really using the full
capacity of your brain to derivethat answer.
And we're, and we're barelyusing what?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
5%, 3% of our brain now anyway, right so?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
we start relying on the chip, and now we're down to
like a half a percent.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I can see this having benefits to, like you said,
someone who is, you know,totally infirmed, and they're
using that because they maybehave robotics parts and now they
have the thinketh and they canlift their arm, stand up, walk
about things like that.
I could see that, but I don'tneed it to remind me of what the
capital of Colombia is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I mean, what's the difference between having
the chip in your brain andhaving the chip in your phone?
One's faster, a big difference.
One's faster, you're still notknowing it.
You're still going to yourphone.
Today you're going to yourphone.
So by having the chip in yourbrain, it saves reach in your
pocket.
Pull out your phone, unlock it,because no one wants their wife
to see what's really in theirphone I do yeah, okay talking
(29:25):
about?
You know about that secretphone?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
anyway, uh but no, but you're still retrieving the
information from an externaldevice see, but when I look at
anything and you know my wifewill tell you this too like I'll
look at shit that she's notinterested in, just like okay, I
don't need to know this, right.
So I'll look at something, I'llfind information, but I retain
it.
I retain it so much that I'llgo back and tell her and she's
like that's not interesting tome.
But that's the difference.
(29:47):
If it's just stored, yeah, butit's not really in your memory.
It's just stored as aretrievable type of thing that
you can pull.
It doesn't stretch the brain,it doesn't help you with
knowledge, it's just there froma memory bench you can just pull
from anywhere right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
So then that goes back to what is knowledge.
Is knowledge because youmemorize, or is knowledge
because you can regurgitate it?
Because of both?
Well, if I can regurgitate itbecause I'm retrieving it, then
I'm still sound knowledgeableyeah, take that chip off and
you're pretty much a fuckingdummy well, if I take a drive, a
nail spike through your head.
You're gonna be a dummy too,man, you're it's two different
things.
You're killing a whole machine,the person, person.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's different, like I don't know, like, are you
saying that you'd be down withme?
Sounds like you'd be down forit.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh, a hundred percent Really.
I wouldn't forget anything, Iwouldn't need a calendar.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's crazy.
You can probably just startgoing into your emotional side
of the brain and just starttaking things like sadness away
and altering your mood andchanging whatever you need to.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's a possibility as well.
It's not just a possibility.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
If you could do what you said, then you could do that
.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, it depends on where the chip is implanted and
what parts of the brain it'saffecting, right?
Because there's going to bedifferent parts of the brain
that affects certain things likeemotion or intelligence or, you
know, being able to storeinformation.
So if you have a chip that'smerely there to compute things
and to store information and notto mess with, you know, my dog
(31:04):
just died, so I want to not besad anymore.
Make me happy Now you're.
Now you're messing with someserious stuff at that point,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
We just went down to them.
You know this is crazy.
I just I love AI.
I'm interested in what it cando and how we can grow our
business and how we can justoverall help people.
But I know that, just like anyother tool, it's going to be
used for a lot of good.
It's going to be used for a lotof bad shit.
But I mean that.
But in terms of, like, how itimpacts the younger generation
(31:33):
coming up and what their futurelooks like, in regards to school
in regards to their pathtowards a certain career.
You know, I mean, there arethings that I know AI will never
replace, at least not in mylifetime.
So, for instance, I'm notinterested in watching a AI
robot golfer.
I might be interested in that,because it's all just made up
(31:53):
anyway, I mean Marvel, anyway, Imean, yeah, but like there's
this AI bot, well, it's not AI,just a robot.
They hit the perfect golf shotevery time.
It a robot.
They hit the perfect golf shotevery time.
It's a machine, it's just aswing.
It's a certain you know paththat that golf club takes and
it's always, it's always goingto be a great shot.
I don't care about that.
I'm never in a million yearsgoing to sit there and watch it
and go oh, I'm rooting for youknow, tin man over here, like no
(32:15):
if everybody was tiger woods,no one watched the pga.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Exactly yeah, because we want to see winners, we want
to see losers, because we wantto feel better about ourselves.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So there are things that can't be replaced.
So I think that the right pathfor our youth is to focus on
figuring out what they want todo and figure out the best path
is, and also think about thefuture, because is that job
going to be viable or is thissomething that can cost your
employer 10 times less tooutsource it to a robot and have
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it done?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So let me ask you this, stefan what advice would
you give to young blackindividuals on how to really,
you know navigate theireducational and career decisions
, you know, in the context ofthe rapidly changing
technological landscape?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
For me.
So number one it just goes backto what you said earlier is to
figure out what you want to do.
And if you don't know what youwant to do, then maybe the right
path for you is go to college,because you're at least exposed
to a good environment.
You're exposed to other peoplewhose really sole purpose is to
better themselves and just geteducated, so at least, if
nothing else, you're there.
I used to always think thatpeople who went to college and
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took liberal arts that was just13th grade things- that people
who you know went to college andtook liberal arts.
That was just 13th grade.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yep, you know, you really weren't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You don't know what you want to do yet, but at least
, yeah, you're just exposed toit.
So, if nothing else, it getsyou there while you figure it
out, because, again, you don'thave to have it figured out
completely.
I think it goes back tosomething we've talked about
before, where we say what isyour end goal?
What do you want to do?
Right, and not necessarily interms of and I'll talk about
this real quick too not in termsof, like, what is your passion?
Like, where do you want to be?
(33:48):
What does your life look likein 15 years, 20 years, 10 years
and to a 18 year old, that's aneternity.
When you tell them, oh, 10years from now, they're like oh,
my God, like I'll be bald andold and wrinkled.
I'm like nah, bro, 10 yearsyou're going to blink and it's
going to be here, right?
I think to me personally andpeople disagree with me when I
(34:10):
say this I think that it mattersmore how you want to live your
life, who you want to be, whatyou want to have, who you want
to have in your life, where youwant to travel, where you want
to live.
I think all that shit is moreimportant and you, once you know
(34:30):
what that is, now figure out apath there.
I think that the advice thatmost people give is what are you
passionate about?
And go do that thing, becauseyou get the results and that
works for a lot of people.
But the reason I disagree withit is because I'm not passionate
about shoveling.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, let me, I'll just do a crazy example.
Right, I'm not passionate aboutshoveling.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, let me.
I'll just do a crazy example.
Right, I'm not passionate aboutshoveling manure.
I'm not passionate about that.
Nothing anyone could say or dono, I don't care.
Who's giving the speech couldmake me want to go.
Yes, this is awesome, I want togo, do it.
Right, give me a thousanddollars an hour.
I just became real passionate,right?
So my point is you don't haveto find something you're
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passionate about.
You need to be passionate aboutwhere you want to be.
That's what you need to bepassionate about.
Then pick a vehicle to go thereand unfortunately, there are a
lot of different vehicles.
It may not be something youwant to do.
Now, if you're lucky and you can, you can marry the two.
Where you have something thatyou're good at, that you like
doing, you enjoy, you can bepassionate about it and, oh God
(35:24):
bless you.
It makes money because youcould do meal prep, for example,
and be passionate about thatbecause you love to cook and
that's a little side hustle, butit's only making you like $200
a week and you're spending a lotof time doing it.
It's extra money.
That's great, right, you stillhave your.
You know your nine to five.
But if you're doing this andit's taking you an extra 15, 20
(35:44):
hours a week to do this, andyou're making $200 a week doing
it.
Is it really?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's not there.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, it's not a great vehicle, right?
So it's not so much.
What am I passionate about?
Again, I always go back to I'mpassionate about living a life
where I don't owe nobody shit.
I create and build to again useJim Rohn's illustration here
create an impenetrable armorfinancial armor around my family
.
That's what I'm passionateabout.
(36:10):
Name the dumbest job in theworld that I have zero interest
in doing was paying me what Ineed to do to get there.
I go do that job.
So that's, that's, that's myadvice.
My advice is to focus on thatNow.
With that comes the educationthat you need.
So, if you're looking at,there's a shortage of dude.
Just yesterday perfect exampleI had the HVAC guy come here
(36:32):
because I don't know if younoticed a little chilly in here,
but-.
It's always cold in here.
Yeah, I had this dude comethrough here.
I was like hey, dude, my shit'snot working like it should be.
Can you come check it out?
It took him two weeks to gethere.
Right now, of course, like youknow, because they are so busy,
you know, so you can get someone.
You can just like make a phonecall.
(36:52):
I wanted you know because ofwhere we live.
We had to have gas be delivered.
We wait over a month.
So there are a lot of thingsthat you could be doing, that
you're going to have people whoare seeking you out and want and
need, desperately need yourservices.
Are you willing to go do thosejobs?
Because obviously supply anddemand.
(37:14):
If there's a shortage then youcan charge more, not to gouge
people, but obviously that woulddefinitely raise the price
overall for everyone.
I say focus on findingsomething that works, that pays
you, so you can go live the lifeyou want to live.
And, um, for now I say, uh,kick your passion aside.
You can develop that shit lateron and worry about it later.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's what I did when I left college.
I was like I'm going to do allthe shit that I always wanted to
do, and then I did.
Then I was like just startedslowly working my way towards
that and then it turned into I'mtired of working for other
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people, making them rich andthey can just dispose of me
whenever they don't want meanymore.
So now I had to start my ownbusiness in order to get where I
want to get.
But for young folks, I will saybefore you go to college, if you
know where you want to be andyou have access to someone who's
doing that, talk to that person, figure out their path and then
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, if it makes sense to replicatetheir path, then do that.
If you're unable to do that andyou're unable to gather
information whether that bereading or seeing videos or
whatever it is on how thatperson got to where they are,
and you're just clueless on howto get there, yeah, I think that
next step of higher educationis probably going to be your
best bet, because it gives youmany different paths and then
(38:37):
you can figure out okay, let metry this one, Let me try this
one, let me try this one.
Oh, okay, I know I like thisone.
And then you can just figure itout that way.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, yesterday we went out, my wife and I, and we
met with our oldest daughter andour oldest son, and we were
having a conversation and theadvice she gave our oldest
daughter was continue to educateyourself in the field that
you're in right now.
She just got into life health,auto insurance.
She just got into the insurancebusiness.
(39:05):
Now that she's in that business, it's so critical that you
become the subject matter expert.
You spend so much time learningcontinuous education.
No matter what field you end uppicking, take it seriously
enough that it's not just well,I need to get this basic
certification just to get in.
(39:26):
Now that I'm in, I'll just domy job.
You want to keep learning andkeep reading more about it.
If there are conventions to go,to go there.
If there are some webinars thatyou need to be part of, you
need to be on top of that.
You want to get to where youare earning as much as someone
can earn in that field, and ifthat's not good enough, then you
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move on.
But all those skills are notlost.
They transfer over to the nextthing that you're doing.
So I think that's that'ssomething I would definitely
impart on them as well.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
And she's going to have to because she's going to
need that CE credit to keep herlicense.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, but that's even beyond that.
I'm like to me, it's like way,way beyond that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Cause that's just the bare minimum.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, that's nothing right, you can just like all
right, take a.
Do you even take a class forthat, or yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Or attend a seminar.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Attend a seminar and then boom, they just give you.
You don't?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
have to take a test on you.
You were here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, so you could pretty much like be asleep and
you get that.
So any advice for not just theyouth, but even people our age.
I got a good friend right nowwho went back to school.
It was late 40s, Went back toschool, basically starting a
whole new career.
So I told him the other day Iwas like dude, I'm so proud of
you.
I really, really can't wait forthis to flourish into something
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big, Because we're talking likegoing to school, going to
school hard changing careers andit's going to be such an
amazing success story.
So if that's the path, that'sthe path.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, I would say you're never too old to start
something new, as long as longas it is something that you're
actually going to give it yourall and believe in it, right?
If you're, you know, 15, you'rejust like, well, I'm tired of.
I've been sitting at this deskfor the last 25 years.
I want to go sit at somebodyelse's desk for the next 10
years.
Like you don't need to go tocollege for that.
(41:09):
But if you're wanting to,whether it be do your own thing
or just go into a completelydifferent field because you now
want to double or triple yourincome, you're never too old to
do that right.
You're never too old to gainthat information or gain that
knowledge.
And as far as for the youth,you know, don't be so quick to
think that I'm going to graduatefrom high school and I'm going
to go to college and then I'mgoing to graduate from college,
(41:31):
I'm going to get my master's,and then I'm going to graduate
from getting my master's degreeand then I'm going to go to that
firm and then I'm going to getmy job and they're going to pay
me 85 K starting off my firstyear as I'm paying back the
$400,000 in student debt.
Yeah Right, there may be aneasier path to get into that
(41:51):
same point.
Maybe you don't have that sameinformation, but the time that
you spent getting all thosedegrees to then get to where you
were being in debt, youpotentially may have just done a
shit ton of internships, mentorprograms, other non-traditional
routes to get that sameinformation, to not be hundreds
of thousands of dollars in debt.
(42:12):
It makes sense for some people.
If you want to be a heartsurgeon, no, take your ass to
college.
Take your ass to med school andmake sure you do follow the
correct path.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I actually had a friend who had the same story.
I've got a message for theyoung folks because his story
was he became a creativedirector working in ad agencies
and things like that, right.
So he was selling alarms in thesummer.
So he would spend three monthsselling alarms in the summer and
then he went and got his realjob, what he went to school for,
(42:41):
and he ended up moving toChicago.
He said his turning point wasHalloween.
He and his wife they had afour-year-old who wanted to go
trick-or-treating and hecouldn't get home because you
know, he had to stay and workreally late with the guy who was
his boss.
You know the guy that he sohe's an aspiring creative
director and the guy's alreadythere.
(43:03):
The guy had been there like 11years and still very young dude,
right.
So he's looking up to this dudewho's like early thirties.
He's like, hey, do you ever getto go home?
The guy goes.
I feel the most part man Likethese holidays I'm missing
because I'm working late all thetime or whatever, and he goes.
But if you stick to it you'llmake some decent money, you'll
make some good money and you canhave a great life for you and
(43:23):
your family and he thought aboutit and he goes.
I'm already making more in mysummer job, going door to door
selling alarms than I am at thisjob and my goal, you know.
The lighthouse is getting towhere this guy is 10 to 12 to 15
years from now and he has ahorrible quality of life and
(43:46):
making less money than I am,working 70, 80 hour weeks Right,
and in addition to that he'slike for me to get his job.
Either I quit and move againand go to a different firm or I
wait for this guy to retire.
He's only 32, 33 years old.
So what's the path look like?
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And that's when he said he wentback and decided to focus
totally on sales and doing this.
So I mean, I'm not going totell everyone that's the path,
but I will say, if you have anopportunity to go, do the hard
thing that you don't want to doand that hard thing to me is
sales If you can go, do it,because it changes everything
(44:27):
and it really kind of makes youwell-rounded and puts you in a
position to be really good atnegotiating, communicating,
being a positive influence fromfolks.
Don't learn to manipulatepeople, but you can be that
really positive influence, whatI call being an agent of change.
Then you can take those skillsand you can apply them to any
(44:47):
field, anything in the world.
So if you're trying to figureit out, maybe go do that.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
And anyone's all about work-life balance,
depending on what you're selling.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
You may not start till 10 AM.
You may finish when thebusiness is closed at 5, 6 PM,
right?
So I mean you're working aquote unquote half shift when
everyone else is working a fullshift, but you're making just as
much, if not more.
Exactly, and everybody elseworking less.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Exactly so.
I mean there's different pathsthat everyone can take and for
the older guys you know guys myage I definitely encourage them
to be involved in morementorship.
That's my path, at least,that's really what I believe in.
You know, you can't makesomeone do any of that, any of
that stuff, but I don't know.
I just feel that it's a dutythat we have, especially again
in our community.
We talk about the world ingeneral, but we talk about the
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black community because that'swhere it's needed the most, I
feel like mentorship and theother ethnic groups.
It's a given.
I hear these stories all thetime, where people are talking
about their success stories andthey had great influences.
My pastor was this, my coachwas this and all these different
people.
It took a village and they wereall there.
Mom and dad had great friendsthat were successful and all
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these influences were there andthey were able to go to Mr
So-and-so's home and learn fromthis person, learn about real
estate, when they were 14 yearsold.
In our community it's not ascommon In your 20s.
This is when you go and try itall, man.
Go do it all.
(46:18):
It's not time to party.
We, oh man, cause I made thatmistake.
Once I realized I wasn't goingto go to school straight after
high school, I was just like, ohmy God.
I was thinking about this.
What am I going to do with allthis free time?
And it was stupid, it wasuseless.
I've wasted the time.
I don't think any time inreality is ever wasted, because
I think it was meant for me tolearn what I needed to learn.
But yeah, if I saw a young manthe age that I was then doing
(46:39):
the exact same thing, I'd pullhim aside and be like dude, what
are you doing, Right?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, I had a job, but they got me fucked up.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, they had me fucked up, but it's like no, go
explore, go try it all, go failyeah, because you're going to
fail anyway, right, 100%.
But in your 20s, before youhave a family, before you're
concerned about all that shit,it's the perfect time for you to
go and risk it all and work ashard as you're ever going to
work in your life, lose somefriends over it.
(47:09):
That's my honestly, that's whatI truly, truly believe.
You're not going to remember 90, 90% of them anyway.
Nah, no, exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Those are my thirties , my twenties.
That was that happened in mythirties.
As far as, like, actuallystarting to grind and really
work was my thirties.
No-transcript.
(47:55):
Like your routine, like whattime do you wake up, do you
exercise, do you have a calendar?
Like what are the things thatyou do?
So that way, you know, maybe ifI just start regimenting my
life and start modeling it afterpeople that are successful, I
may stumble into into somethingthat I want to do today.
You know where I can besuccessful, and if you're unable
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to do have that conversationwith that person and you just
lost, then yeah, I think collegemay be the thing for you,
because it'll.
It'll open you up to a numberof different paths that are out
there.
That you can fail, yeah Right,because it's college.
Like you're not going to aceevery class, because there's
even some classes you like, someclasses you love and some
(48:36):
classes you're like I'm neverdoing this shit again.
Yeah Right.
And so then, once you start toreally dial down what it is that
you love, then just keep goingdown that road and eventually,
if you, if you stay at it andyou're disciplined, you're going
to get there.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Dope.
No, I love it, man.
So I think this is a perfectsegue, because next week I'm
bringing in a couple of guys whoare mentors to a large
organization.
You have a hundred black men ofthe cab, you know, heading out
there today.
I'm going to check them out.
You know there's a lot of that.
I think more of it is needed,correct.
So I'm excited to have thoseconversations with those guys.
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Yeah, I still miss you.
That's all I can say.
And look at the camera.
Stretch the brain.
It doesn't help you withknowledge, it's just there from
a memory bench you can just pullfrom anywhere.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Right.
So then that goes back to whatis knowledge.
Is knowledge because youmemorize it, or is knowledge
because you can regurgitate it?
Because of both?
Well, if I can regurgitate itbecause I'm retrieving it, then
I'm still so knowledgeable.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, take that chip off and you're pretty much a
fucking dummy.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, if I take a drive and nail spike through
your head, you're gonna be adummy too, man, you're it's two
different things.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're killing a whole machine, the person it's
different, like I, I don't know.
Like.
Are you saying that you'd bedown with you?
Sound like you'd be down for it, oh 100, really I wouldn't
forget anything.
I wouldn't need a calendar.
That's crazy.
You can probably just startgoing into your remote.
Y'all need to hear the rest ofthis conversation, which
basically started out comparingtraditional higher learning,
(00:46):
such as college, toself-education, life experience
or even trade school.
Which road did you take?
And, better yet, what will yourecommend to your own children?
Now, my co-host Jabari and I,we share our thoughts and
experiences on both.
Somehow we ended up talkingabout AI, but, trust me, it all
(01:10):
ties in well together.
Welcome to Manhood Matters.
Let's get to it.
I know a lot of people strugglewith do I bother going to
college?
It's a sham.
I know that my son in thefourth grade was already saying
(01:41):
college is a scam.
I'm not doing this.
I'm like dude, you're like six,be quiet.
Saying college is a scam, I'mnot doing this.
I'm like dude, you're you're.
You're like six, be quiet, youknow.
But he actually had made up hismind about it and he's very
smart and he reads a lot.
So what the landscape is goingto look like, especially with
the advent of AI, and what thatlooks like.
So for you, for example, you'recollege educated, you went the
traditional route right.
(02:02):
What was that journey for youand what is it?
Something you chose foryourself, or were there like it
was non-negotiable, gotcha, itwas definitely non-negotiable.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So my mom's a doctor, right.
So she came over to fromJamaica to the States when she
was in her early twenties.
Um, it was like she just knew,like I'm going to be a doctor
when I grow up.
So she was like I'm going tocome to the States.
She went to prestigiousuniversities, got a degree.
Obviously, when you know, mysister and I were kids.
She's like you guys are goingto be doctors, so got the best
(02:34):
you know, got really goodeducations.
And then when I got to highschool, I kind of shifted from
being a nerd to an athlete.
And when you're an athlete,when you're done with high
school, the next step is to gocompete in college.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Right.
So my journey is probably alittle different than most,
because for me, my senior yearturned into, you know, my dad
was like my manager, right, hewas the one that was, you know,
talking to colleges and settingup my, my recruiting trips,
talking to scouts oh, notnecessarily scouts, but like, I
(03:06):
guess, just to call it, thecoaches from those universities.
Yeah, cause I was, I was good,but I wasn't like top three in
the country, right, um, untillike my, until I'd already
picked a school to go to, andthen I competed between high
school and college, but for meit was.
It was just an assumption,right, it wasn't a do I go to
(03:26):
high school or do I go tocollege?
Do I just go work?
It's like, no, you, you have to, whether it was academically or
athletically, like I had to goto college to move forward
because, you know, I'm 46.
So 20 odd, some odd years ago,you had to have a college degree
if you wanted to get a quote,unquote job, right, that was the
new standard.
(03:46):
Before then it was you needed ahigh school, high school degree
.
That was a standard, right yeahand then as you and I got older,
it went from oh that's nice,that's cute that you have a
college degree, but you have amaster's right.
And then in my mind I was likewhen I was younger I was like
crap, like in 20 years it's notgoing to be.
Do you, you have a master's, doyou have a PhD?
Just to be a general manager atArby's right.
And the world changed and thenthe world changed right, and
(04:10):
it's going to always continue tochange.
And now the generations that wehave coming up, now it's I just
want to make money.
Who's making money the fastest?
Oh, these people on socialmedia are making money the
fastest.
They don't have college degrees.
It looks like they're having agreat time and so they're
emulating the lifestyle thatthey see, which isn't real.
Hopefully they know that whatyou see online is not real and
(04:31):
they're equating that with well,I can be a millionaire and I
don't have to go to college.
I don't have to go to school, Idon't have to work hard, I need
to just be.
I need to just get likes Rightand then, with the likes becomes
the advertising dollars andwith that I become rich.
With the likes becomes theadvertising dollars and with
that I become rich.
So it's the traditional thoughtof you know my parents or my
mom, you know of you graduateand then you find a job and then
(04:51):
you work for 40 something yearsand then you retire and you've
got your pension, your socialsecurity and you've got some
savings, and then you live outthe next five to 20 years, right
, and when you're 65, with yourmoney and you'd be happy then
right.
But those 40 years is going tobe, you're going to be working.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was going to say there's so many people go back
to work after that first careerthey really can't even retire, I
mean depending on what type ofjob they had.
For me, that path was different.
I initially thought I was goingto college.
I wanted to go right after highschool.
I did well enough playingsoccer, to you know.
I thought I was going tocollege.
I wanted to go right after highschool.
I did well enough playing soccer, to you know, I had a couple
offers that fell through because, you know, I was going to live
with my dad and that ended upnot happening.
(05:31):
So instead of me just saying,hey, I'm going to make it happen
anyway, I kind of found that,oh my God, look at all the
freedom.
I'm going to have All the freetime and I'm not going to do any
.
I'll go to work, maybe, orwhatever, but I'm just going to
focus on just play music andmaybe get a side job here and
there.
And I was going nowhere.
Nowhere for a while until afriend of mine that I used to
(05:52):
date what was his name?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it's a whole.
Men and women can't be friends,so stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So she right, so she calls me, we're having this
conversation and she's like whatare you doing?
Like what are you up to, likewhat's going on with you?
And I was like nothing.
It was just at the time.
I'm just living with someone,I'm not doing shit with my life,
I'm just, you know, living withsomeone, I'm not doing shit
with my life, I'm just, you know.
Again, I'm waiting for themusic thing to kind of take off
and I needed that sense ofdirection.
She just called me one day.
She was like hey, can you doyou know where your social
(06:31):
security card is?
I was like yeah.
She was like you got a license?
I was like yeah.
She stopped by.
She said get in the car.
Next thing, you know, I'mpulling up to Queensborough
college and that, and that's howI got enrolled in school in my
early 20s.
And she's because I wasn'tgoing.
You know, one year of a let'snot go to school yet turned into
(06:51):
two, into three years and nextyou know I wasn't doing shit.
Um, you know, the music thingwasn't working, it wasn't taking
off and of course I have thiscrazy addictive personality to
not just to to certain goals too.
So my mindset is I know that Ican do it, so I wasn't stopping,
I was just going and going andit didn't really matter if I
just like lost everything onthis gamble, because, again,
(07:14):
this is before I had kids.
But when I got to college, Iwas Dean's List every single
time Because it was a decisionthat I didn't really make the
decision, but I wanted to bethere.
So I was like this is good,this is what I need to be doing.
I was just really doing really,really well.
But after those two years, man,I got my associates and I
didn't follow through.
I got another associatesbecause I thought I wanted to be
(07:36):
a graphic designer.
Still searching for what I'mlooking for, I ended up going to
school for that, worked in afield for a little bit, had my
own business and moved on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't think a college degree is needed, unless
you're trying to do somethingthat's extremely specific, where
you need that, like if you wantto go be a heart surgeon.
Yes, I think you needed tospecialize.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
There's a traditional route for certain things,
Exactly, and you can't decide.
You're going to do it your way.
It has to be the yeah, you haveto pass the bar.
If you're going to be a lawyer,you can't enter law school
unless you have you know exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But I think if you're just like I want to go get a
job, I don't think younecessarily need to go to
college for that.
You may want to go to like atrade school, or you may want to
just get life experiences, oryou can go look up the
information yourself.
If you're studious enough, andyou want to go download the
information into your brain,perfect Right.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But depending on what you are trying to do, I don't
think you need to go to college.
So what's the message here?
There's three differentmessages.
A you need to know what youwant to do.
Yeah so would you say.
If you don't know that, youshould be enrolled in school.
You should be going to collegebecause you're not sure.
Yet you haven't made up yourmind because, worst case
scenario, at least you get thatdegree.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And it'll, and it'll open you up to experiences,
right, Because you'll?
You may start off undecided oryou may start off I was in a
major in biology and then a yearlater you're like I'm going to
major in communication.
And then a year later you'relike, okay, I figured it out, I
want to be in advertising If youknow what you want to do and
you don't need a college degreeto do it or the experience that
you're like if you want to be amechanic, yeah, you can go to
(09:01):
college and get a degree, or youcan just go to a shop and bust
your ass yeah, but you stillneed certifications and things
like that yeah, but if you're atthe shop and you learn how to
do it, I'm sure you're going tobe able to pass the test in
order to get certified yeah, andthat and that certification
test is not a college class whatare your thoughts on?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
because it's always been underestimated.
You know, the vocationalschools, oh, and a trade school
and things like that.
It used to be the kind of thingthat if you went 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, if you went to school.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
you got out of high school and you went to school
for you know plumbing.
Oh my God, that's what you wentto school for.
You know whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
He was a dumb, dumb Well hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There's a few jobs that AI cannot take away.
Yeah, right, yeah.
And plumbers are expensive.
Let me tell you A hundredpercent.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You know, show up.
Yeah, exactly they're expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All these different jobs, refrigeration, age, age,
back tax, all these people youcould have a very, very
wonderful life and a great,successful career.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
If you look at a like Roto-Rooter right, I'm sure the
gentleman that startedRoto-Rooter was probably a
plumber.
I guarantee you he's notsticking his hand down any
toilets today.
If you want to be a plumber,yeah, you can go to vocational
school and learn that, and let'ssay you do that.
But you still have anentrepreneurial mindset.
Well, maybe you start off as aplumber and then a couple of
years down the road you get yourown truck.
(10:17):
A year down the road and youhave a friend that's doing well,
you hire them on.
Now you have two trucks.
Five years down the road, allof a sudden you have a building.
Five years down the road, allof a sudden you have two
buildings.
You have two locations.
Now you're what?
30.
Your company's revenuepotentially could be seven
figures a year.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean, how?
Where else are you going to be30, making 7 million, seven
figures a year in revenue?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If you go to college and you get a business degree,
maybe you're working at acompany.
You're working for the guy thatstarted his company.
You're working for the plumbernow.
Right, so the guy that you're-making fun of in high school,
like oh, it's dumb ass with theplumbing school.
It's like, yeah, laugh it upnow, because in 10 years you
might be working for that guy.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
There's that, and then there's the, as you
mentioned before.
You know you have a lot of kidswho are seeing that the
conventional routes are not it,and I think content creation is
becoming like elite sportsEveryone can play basketball.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But not everyone can play basketball, not everyone
can be in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Not everyone can get to the NFL, but every kid is
playing peewee football, but atsome point 1% of 1% is going to
make it into the big leagues.
So I think it's becoming thatway, for content creation is
obviously crazy saturated, butwho's not a content creator?
There's no barrier of entry.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We're doing it right now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, so when kids are watching that.
So what are your thoughts on?
Is there a danger to wherethey're headed if they're not
going back to the traditionalschools, college et cetera?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think you have to have a strong foundation, right?
If you look at like the Paulbrothers, or if you look at Mr
Beast, like yeah, they'recontent creators, but they have
actual businesses.
These are people that are verygood at business and they're
able to have these businesses,but yeah, they started off.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I was going to say the, the, the business get
funded because of the contentcreation.
It did.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But at some point your content, like everyone, was
a YouTube star, right, and thenit was an Instagram star, and
then it was a Tik TOK star, andthen, I'm sure, within the next
few years, it's going to besomething else, whatever.
I can't even imagine what itcould be right, but you have to
be able to be smart enough topivot.
But you're going to need tohave the tools and the knowledge
(12:30):
to know how to pivot and alsoto create multiple lines of
income.
Right, because of Mr Beast orthe Paul brothers.
If they solely relied on peopleclicking, like then, they
wouldn't have as much money asthey have today.
I mean, I just saw a commercialfor Mr Beast's Taco Bell line,
right, like, that's smart.
Like they're out there creatingother lines of income.
So, if you have a, I'm sure atsome point, whether they wanted
(12:51):
to admit it or not, they eitherlearn business the hard way,
which is by losing millions andmillions of dollars, or they had
people that run all that stufffor them, or in their spare time
, they took a class or they reada book yeah but somehow they
downloaded that knowledge thatwould help them.
Okay, I want to start a businessbecause I don't want to be
broken five years if youtubegoes away.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do something just to gain additional information so
I'm a big, big proponent ofself-education.
Reading books, I think, isnon-negotiable.
The things that you learn, Imean, if you read, for example,
how to win friends and influencepeople, if you read, uh, seven
habits, if you do these simplethings, I promise you, uh,
jabari, uh they're.
(13:29):
I'm reading those books lateron in life, right Like, I read
them obviously several times now, but I'm going.
If I had known this right here,these seven habits, or just how
to win friends and influencepeople and not friends, that's
not really what the book's about.
I don't need more friends,that's not what it's about.
But if I knew how to apply thatin the workplace, oh my God,
(13:50):
the places I could have gone.
And and so I think about that,I go.
You know, this is what is socritical to invest in yourself.
And it's so simple becausewe're talking about a 10, $15
book that you just or library,yeah, exactly.
Find it online Find it onlineexactly and these libraries, by
the way, I'm finding out, thereyou basically get a library card
and you can get the digitalversion of it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you can actually keep that digital
version forever or give it back,but it's unlimited.
You have so much access.
Oh nice, it's crazy.
I even talked about this in thepast, where I would say say
that if you can invest even asmall percentage I used to say
10%, whatever, but backingyourself in your own education,
whether it be a seminar, whetherit be a mentorship program,
whatever it is just set thataside for whenever you need to
(14:31):
take that class, and I don'tmean a traditional class, but it
could be going to a TonyRobbins thing, it could be going
to an Eric Thomas event.
Hell, coming to one of my eventswhen I'm ready you know, and
come learn something and just bearound like-minded individuals
pay for that education in otherways.
That is going to be.
(14:51):
It's going to be amazing.
So, yeah, I'm a big believer inthat.
I'm also really careful to,because I've had this
conversation with a young manand he was basically saying hey,
you know, Zuckerberg is acollege dropout.
I said, well, well, I'll say itwell pause pause.
First of all, pause.
Let's pause for a second.
He dropped out of harvard.
(15:11):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So slow down.
Yeah, I know there's legacy Iknow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I know there's legacy admissions etc.
I don't know if he was one, buthe was still at harvard, yeah,
so if you are dropping out ofharvard, you're not a dumb ass.
You had to just been there inthe first place.
Same thing with Gates.
Gates is a genius, his IQ isvery high and he's been
programming If you read hisstory and if you read Outliers
(15:37):
with Gladwell, where he was andthe opportunity that he had
where he was doing programmingsince he was like 11 or 12 years
old.
And, yeah, if he decides to goto college, but he's been doing
programming for 10 plus years,yes, of course he can drop out
of college.
He can teach the class.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, so it makes a big difference.
He's wasting his time incollege.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Exactly so when we talk about, you know, when I
talk to young kids, it was justlike, well, you know, so-and-so
dropped out.
I'm like, well, look at theirsituation, Look at yours.
You know what are you going tobe doing, but of course, again,
I'm not advocating college,right?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So I'll tell you right now I've got a friend.
I didn't mean to cut you off, Ihave a friend, I'm not going to
say this person's name, joe.
We'll call him Joe.
Joe works for one of thelargest insurance companies in
the world.
Joe is a very degree.
They believe that he does.
Joe attended university.
Joe did not finish university.
Joe's degree if he would havegotten one I don't think would
(16:32):
have helped him attain the job.
I think he was just smartenough and savvy enough to get
in on the ground floor and hejust busted his ass and worked
his way to the top.
Now am I advocating for peoplegetting fake degrees or lying
about whether or not they have adegree?
No, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But to my point, you don't necessarily need to have a
college degree to work at alarger company.
Obviously, you went to schoolyou finished.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You got your four-year degree.
Did you go any higher?
Did you get a graduate?
I knew why I was there.
I was at that university to runtrack at that university.
Right, if I happened to comeout with a college degree, that
was great.
The biggest thing that Ilearned in college was how to
influence people, and I say thatbecause-.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And that was by sheer exposure, or was that some kind
of class that you were takingthat?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
was because I didn't want to go to class anymore, but
I knew that I had to get a goodenough grade in order to
graduate.
So I think it was my junioryear I instituted the uh, no
alarm clock rule.
So whenever I woke up, if Imade it to your class, I made it
to your class.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And then I really messing with the athletes that
much.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
There, there was, there was some of that right.
There was.
You know, I'm not going to lieabout that.
There was definitely some ofthat.
There are rules, but rules arenot written in stone.
If you're able to communicatewith certain people that have
the power, they can change therules.
I feel like the generationsthat are high school and early
college now.
I feel like a lot more of thosekids are wanting to do their
(18:08):
own thing or start their ownthing, and you don't need a
college degree to start your ownthing.
You may need the information orthe college degree to help you
maybe get that start, but if wekeep using that plumber example,
I mean you don't need a collegedegree to be a plumber to then
own your own plumbing business.
Correct, maybe the vocationalschool will help you there.
Right, and even if you don'twant to own your own business, I
mean you can still be a damngood plumber or a mechanic or
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some other trade and still make100K plus a year.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean it's funny because it's like you skip out
in college.
You come out of high school forthe next four years.
You go out and you work and youstart making six figures versus
your buddy who goes to college.
Who's now what?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
three hundred thousand dollars in debt right,
that's the part that's making60k a year and spending so much
like a whole decade, two decadesto pay it all back and then 30
of your paycheck, after taxes,is going towards paying back the
university and maybe it's justbeing in that environment in
Atlanta.
So many people here with moneylike there are successful that
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are not necessarily collegeeducated.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
A lot of them are.
They're starting their ownbusinesses.
They're doing their thing.
They're just kicking ass andthey're doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But they're not content creators and they're not
doing some silly ass dance.
They're not waiting for thatlottery to hit in terms of like
oh, I got picked up by thislabel, whatever they for that
lottery to hit in terms of likeoh I got picked up by this label
, whatever.
They're just creatingbusinesses and they're doing
amazing things, and I'm seeingthis decline in higher college
education.
I'm almost applauding it in away.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, how many times have you heard this sentence?
Hey, yeah, this is what I'mdoing right now, but really I'm
a, and then it's a slashy right.
I am a this slash, this slash,this slash, this right, because
they know of all the things thatthey're doing, one of them is
going to take off right, so theyhave their multiple streams of
income.
(19:54):
And I'm not bashing college.
I think college is right for alot of people, but it's also not
right.
My wife right now.
She's a doctor and she has sixfigures worth of student loans
to be paid back still.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
High six figures.
I didn't know that about her.
Yeah, did your mother force youto marry her?
Because you're marrying thisone.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, you know MDs and non-MDs.
You know they feel a certainway towards non-MDs.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's funny.
I've had this discussion withseveral people.
We look at AI and a lot ofpeople are terrified, Even
though I've had this discussionwith several people.
We look at AI and a lot ofpeople are terrified, even
though everyone's using it.
Everyone's using it to somedegree.
I use it quite a bit, butpeople are looking at what's
coming.
To me it's very much like whatwas happening in the late 90s
early 2000,.
When the internet was just thedot-com era.
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Yeah, it's like in 97, 98, wellearlier than that really.
But yeah, it's like, you know,in 97, 98, well earlier than
that really.
But when it really boomed waslike when everyone's on the
Internet, even if they had dialup, people were terrified of
what this thing was going to do.
So now robots are going toreplace us and everything else.
Well, now you have AI, which iscertainly capable of replacing
a lot of people, Correct, wejust replaced.
We had five account executivesat our company that were making
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calls to clients, to homeowners,rather to try to book
inspections for the sales repsto go out and meet with those
people, and they all gotreplaced by one AI bot who can
have a very intelligentconversation, not be stumped,
even when you throw her.
(21:24):
I want to see her a curve balland handle.
We were asking these reps tomake 250 calls a day.
Right, she's capable of making5,000 calls a day because she
can call for five differentcompanies at once.
So be on five differentconversations and she's just the
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one thing and there's nocomplaint, there's no calling
out, there's no lunch break.
She just dials and dials and thefeelings aren't hurt because
you don't know how many calls Iwould field from my reps, who
would call me and just say I'mjust like getting peed up.
Today.
Customers are so mean.
Customers are saying this andyou can tell there's emotion
because, again, we are human, sothey're getting hung up on.
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Someone's telling them to goget a real job.
You fucking suck.
Blah, blah, blah and they needto pause.
They'll tell me I need a break,I need to stop for like an hour
.
Come back to this.
Then they'll call me and belike I don't know if I can get
back to this today.
Robot has zero feelings.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Exactly, it does not give a shit.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I heard I listened to one call where someone says
wait a second, are you an AI?
She fucking lied, dude.
It was insane.
I have the recording.
I was like wait a minute, canyou do that?
Take it over, and I own thisthing.
And I'm going to wait a minuteCause because she, she thought
for half a second and she saysno, sir, I'm a real person, just
calling to see if we can helpyou get an inspection and get
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your roof inspected bye-bye.
And I'm she gonna.
She goes on with the script, soshe goes it's thursday or
friday, best for you.
She goes right back to closingand I'm like wait, he just
slides to the goggles, so you'rea real person.
She goes absolutely with a smileand I'm like holy hell you know
it's a different thing when theprogramming can be autonomous
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to because it's self-learning toto the point where it can
actually lie.
I have a pretty nice version ofit, but it's still not what,
like, giant companies would own.
You know what I mean?
Or what the government wouldown.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, or what the governmentwould own, and this is what this
thing is doing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So it's going to take a lot of jobs, it's going to
replace a lot of people,especially when you know, in
areas that are very dominant andit comes to industries where
black people um have a lot ofjobs service industry, food
service, things like that.
These things are becoming moreautomated, more and more.
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I can't remember the last timeI went into McDonald's and
talked to a person I just push afew buttons, just wait for my
food to come out, and they yella number.
True, right, but now you'rereducing the amount of people
that need to be there.
How is this going to impact ourcommunity and people overall in
regards to them going to school, if a lot of the jobs are going
to be replaced by AI anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
What you're going to see is an even greater reduction
in college and universityadmissions, because everyone's
going to start a business that'sgoing to rely on AI.
So it's like you're telling methat I can create an entire
workforce.
I can spend X amount of dollarson this program that can write
my business plan, that can runthe business for me and I just
make sure that I do the upkeep.
So I don't need to go tocollege, I don't need to wake up
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at 8 am, I can just go hang outwith my friends and I just keep
checking my bank account and Ijust make sure that the money
keeps going into my account.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You need to have a hell of a plan in order for that
to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You just sell some shit.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Online, just online, like you, just figure out what's
the hottest thing, sell that.
Well, you don't need to figurethat out, the AI is going to
figure that out Because, well,even to that right, I'll create
a prompt.
For example, someone else willcreate a prompt and what I get
back is 10 times better thanwhat the other person gets back.
Because if what goes into thatprompt, you can't just be
airhead and just be like AI,hook me up, you know, do this
and just give them some kind ofvague answer.
You'll still get somethingthat's better than what you
would have come up with.
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But if you're really granularwith it and you really break it
down and give them details andyou just break this thing really
, really, really down, you canget some incredible responses
(25:40):
no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Think less and less.
Do you remember the 30 yearsago?
If you didn't know how to spella word, what you had to do?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
yeah, go to the dictionary.
You had to go look it up in adictionary, but I know how to
spell every word, so I'm good1993 1994, spelling bee champion
.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
But I mean like there's a lot of stuff, like
there's skills that you don'tneed to necessarily have anymore
.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Like uh, cursive?
No one writes in cursiveanymore because everyone thinks
then in print, because peopledon't write letters, they just
write emails.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So sad.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's like multiplication table.
When is that going to go away?
It's like why do I need to knowhow to memorize?
Do it on my phone, Right.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That very, very.
You know it's a slippery slopeman.
It's really scary.
Like that we are to me, likethe brain is like a muscle, and
I'm no expert on this, but I dobelieve that if you don't
exercise it, you lose it.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What's a muscle?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I like facts.
I like learning about thingsthat I don't know about.
Biggest pet peeve I have ispeople saying the wrong words,
using the words in the wrongcontext misspelling shit you
know putting in apostrophe S,when you meant plural instead of
possessive.
Like dumb shit, like that.
I'm like, do we even care?
It's just, do we not even careanymore?
And it comes across that way.
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For me it's like well, ai willfix it, like, and I can just
tell it what to do.
And now you can read.
You can kind of like readsomething and know you didn't
write this.
This is all AI.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And then you've got Elon with the Neuralink thing.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So they're implanting chips in people's brains to
help them.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
All right, hang on, hang on pause.
Is this going to be one ofthose conspiracy theory?
No, no, no.
This is true.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Like they've already started doing this.
Like you, people's brains Tohelp you do what you can store
information.
You can use it to move a mouse.
They've already implanted chipsin people's brains to help them
control computers, even beforeElon.
This is like quadriplegics, orpeople that have been paralyzed
and they can't use their handsand legs right Gotcha.
So, like Stephen Hawking Well,that was really more of just
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using his eyes to move the mouseon the keyboard that he was
looking at.
But there's chips in people'sbrains this is nothing new where
they can think and it'll movethe mouse to where it needs to
go, as they're looking at ascreen to get things done, to
communicate right.
So the next level is okay.
Now can we store information ina chip that is also retrievable
(28:03):
by the brain?
So if you need to know what 847times 3,654 is, 37.
Close.
You just missed it, it was 26.
You know that that chip will beable to do the calculation for
you and then give you thatanswer.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You just think it and boom, it's there.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, so that's the next level of where that's going
.
But then to your point, ifyou're merely just having to
rely on the chip, then you'renot really using the full
capacity of your brain to derivethat answer.
And we're, and we're barelyusing what?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
5%, 3% of our brain now anyway, right so?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
we start relying on the chip, and now we're down to
like a half a percent.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I can see this having benefits to, like you said,
someone who is, you know,totally infirmed, and they're
using that because they maybehave robotics parts and now they
have the thinketh and they canlift their arm, stand up, walk
about things like that.
I could see that, but I don'tneed it to remind me of what the
capital of Colombia is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I mean, what's the difference between having
the chip in your brain andhaving the chip in your phone?
One's faster, a big difference.
One's faster, you're still notknowing it.
You're still going to yourphone.
Today you're going to yourphone.
So by having the chip in yourbrain, it saves reach in your
pocket.
Pull out your phone, unlock it,because no one wants their wife
to see what's really in theirphone I do yeah, okay talking
(29:25):
about?
You know about that secretphone?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
anyway, uh but no, but you're still retrieving the
information from an externaldevice see, but when I look at
anything and you know my wifewill tell you this too like I'll
look at shit that she's notinterested in, just like okay, I
don't need to know this, right.
So I'll look at something, I'llfind information, but I retain
it.
I retain it so much that I'llgo back and tell her and she's
like that's not interesting tome.
But that's the difference.
(29:47):
If it's just stored, yeah, butit's not really in your memory.
It's just stored as aretrievable type of thing that
you can pull.
It doesn't stretch the brain,it doesn't help you with
knowledge, it's just there froma memory bench you can just pull
from anywhere right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
So then that goes back to what is knowledge.
Is knowledge because youmemorize, or is knowledge
because you can regurgitate it?
Because of both?
Well, if I can regurgitate itbecause I'm retrieving it, then
I'm still sound knowledgeableyeah, take that chip off and
you're pretty much a fuckingdummy well, if I take a drive, a
nail spike through your head.
You're gonna be a dummy too,man, you're it's two different
things.
You're killing a whole machine,the person, person.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's different, like I don't know, like, are you
saying that you'd be down withme?
Sounds like you'd be down forit.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh, a hundred percent Really.
I wouldn't forget anything, Iwouldn't need a calendar.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's crazy.
You can probably just startgoing into your emotional side
of the brain and just starttaking things like sadness away
and altering your mood andchanging whatever you need to.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's a possibility as well.
It's not just a possibility.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
If you could do what you said, then you could do that
.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, it depends on where the chip is implanted and
what parts of the brain it'saffecting, right?
Because there's going to bedifferent parts of the brain
that affects certain things likeemotion or intelligence or, you
know, being able to storeinformation.
So if you have a chip that'smerely there to compute things
and to store information and notto mess with, you know, my dog
(31:04):
just died, so I want to not besad anymore.
Make me happy Now you're.
Now you're messing with someserious stuff at that point,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
We just went down to them.
You know this is crazy.
I just I love AI.
I'm interested in what it cando and how we can grow our
business and how we can justoverall help people.
But I know that, just like anyother tool, it's going to be
used for a lot of good.
It's going to be used for a lotof bad shit.
But I mean that.
But in terms of, like, how itimpacts the younger generation
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coming up and what their futurelooks like, in regards to school
in regards to their pathtowards a certain career.
You know, I mean, there arethings that I know AI will never
replace, at least not in mylifetime.
So, for instance, I'm notinterested in watching a AI
robot golfer.
I might be interested in that,because it's all just made up
(31:53):
anyway, I mean Marvel, anyway, Imean, yeah, but like there's
this AI bot, well, it's not AI,just a robot.
They hit the perfect golf shotevery time.
It a robot.
They hit the perfect golf shotevery time.
It's a machine, it's just aswing.
It's a certain you know paththat that golf club takes and
it's always, it's always goingto be a great shot.
I don't care about that.
I'm never in a million yearsgoing to sit there and watch it
and go oh, I'm rooting for youknow, tin man over here, like no
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if everybody was tiger woods,no one watched the pga.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Exactly yeah, because we want to see winners, we want
to see losers, because we wantto feel better about ourselves.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So there are things that can't be replaced.
So I think that the right pathfor our youth is to focus on
figuring out what they want todo and figure out the best path
is, and also think about thefuture, because is that job
going to be viable or is thissomething that can cost your
employer 10 times less tooutsource it to a robot and have
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it done?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So let me ask you this, stefan what advice would
you give to young blackindividuals on how to really,
you know navigate theireducational and career decisions
, you know, in the context ofthe rapidly changing
technological landscape?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
For me.
So number one it just goes backto what you said earlier is to
figure out what you want to do.
And if you don't know what youwant to do, then maybe the right
path for you is go to college,because you're at least exposed
to a good environment.
You're exposed to other peoplewhose really sole purpose is to
better themselves and just geteducated, so at least, if
nothing else, you're there.
I used to always think thatpeople who went to college and
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took liberal arts that was just13th grade things- that people
who you know went to college andtook liberal arts.
That was just 13th grade.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yep, you know, you really weren't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You don't know what you want to do yet, but at least
, yeah, you're just exposed toit.
So, if nothing else, it getsyou there while you figure it
out, because, again, you don'thave to have it figured out
completely.
I think it goes back tosomething we've talked about
before, where we say what isyour end goal?
What do you want to do?
Right, and not necessarily interms of and I'll talk about
this real quick too not in termsof, like, what is your passion?
Like, where do you want to be?
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What does your life look likein 15 years, 20 years, 10 years
and to a 18 year old, that's aneternity.
When you tell them, oh, 10years from now, they're like oh,
my God, like I'll be bald andold and wrinkled.
I'm like nah, bro, 10 yearsyou're going to blink and it's
going to be here, right?
I think to me personally andpeople disagree with me when I
(34:10):
say this I think that it mattersmore how you want to live your
life, who you want to be, whatyou want to have, who you want
to have in your life, where youwant to travel, where you want
to live.
I think all that shit is moreimportant and you, once you know
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what that is, now figure out apath there.
I think that the advice thatmost people give is what are you
passionate about?
And go do that thing, becauseyou get the results and that
works for a lot of people.
But the reason I disagree withit is because I'm not passionate
about shoveling.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, let me, I'll just do a crazy example.
Right, I'm not passionate aboutshoveling.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, let me.
I'll just do a crazy example.
Right, I'm not passionate aboutshoveling manure.
I'm not passionate about that.
Nothing anyone could say or dono, I don't care.
Who's giving the speech couldmake me want to go.
Yes, this is awesome, I want togo, do it.
Right, give me a thousanddollars an hour.
I just became real passionate,right?
So my point is you don't haveto find something you're
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passionate about.
You need to be passionate aboutwhere you want to be.
That's what you need to bepassionate about.
Then pick a vehicle to go thereand unfortunately, there are a
lot of different vehicles.
It may not be something youwant to do.
Now, if you're lucky and you can, you can marry the two.
Where you have something thatyou're good at, that you like
doing, you enjoy, you can bepassionate about it and, oh God
(35:24):
bless you.
It makes money because youcould do meal prep, for example,
and be passionate about thatbecause you love to cook and
that's a little side hustle, butit's only making you like $200
a week and you're spending a lotof time doing it.
It's extra money.
That's great, right, you stillhave your.
You know your nine to five.
But if you're doing this andit's taking you an extra 15, 20
(35:44):
hours a week to do this, andyou're making $200 a week doing
it.
Is it really?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's not there.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, it's not a great vehicle, right?
So it's not so much.
What am I passionate about?
Again, I always go back to I'mpassionate about living a life
where I don't owe nobody shit.
I create and build to again useJim Rohn's illustration here
create an impenetrable armorfinancial armor around my family
.
That's what I'm passionateabout.
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Name the dumbest job in theworld that I have zero interest
in doing was paying me what Ineed to do to get there.
I go do that job.
So that's, that's, that's myadvice.
My advice is to focus on thatNow.
With that comes the educationthat you need.
So, if you're looking at,there's a shortage of dude.
Just yesterday perfect exampleI had the HVAC guy come here
(36:32):
because I don't know if younoticed a little chilly in here,
but-.
It's always cold in here.
Yeah, I had this dude comethrough here.
I was like hey, dude, my shit'snot working like it should be.
Can you come check it out?
It took him two weeks to gethere.
Right now, of course, like youknow, because they are so busy,
you know, so you can get someone.
You can just like make a phonecall.
(36:52):
I wanted you know because ofwhere we live.
We had to have gas be delivered.
We wait over a month.
So there are a lot of thingsthat you could be doing, that
you're going to have people whoare seeking you out and want and
need, desperately need yourservices.
Are you willing to go do thosejobs?
Because obviously supply anddemand.
(37:14):
If there's a shortage then youcan charge more, not to gouge
people, but obviously that woulddefinitely raise the price
overall for everyone.
I say focus on findingsomething that works, that pays
you, so you can go live the lifeyou want to live.
And, um, for now I say, uh,kick your passion aside.
You can develop that shit lateron and worry about it later.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's what I did when I left college.
I was like I'm going to do allthe shit that I always wanted to
do, and then I did.
Then I was like just startedslowly working my way towards
that and then it turned into I'mtired of working for other
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people, making them rich andthey can just dispose of me
whenever they don't want meanymore.
So now I had to start my ownbusiness in order to get where I
want to get.
But for young folks, I will saybefore you go to college, if you
know where you want to be andyou have access to someone who's
doing that, talk to that person, figure out their path and then
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, if it makes sense to replicatetheir path, then do that.
If you're unable to do that andyou're unable to gather
information whether that bereading or seeing videos or
whatever it is on how thatperson got to where they are,
and you're just clueless on howto get there, yeah, I think that
next step of higher educationis probably going to be your
best bet, because it gives youmany different paths and then
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you can figure out okay, let metry this one, Let me try this
one, let me try this one.
Oh, okay, I know I like thisone.
And then you can just figure itout that way.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, yesterday we went out, my wife and I, and we
met with our oldest daughter andour oldest son, and we were
having a conversation and theadvice she gave our oldest
daughter was continue to educateyourself in the field that
you're in right now.
She just got into life health,auto insurance.
She just got into the insurancebusiness.
(39:05):
Now that she's in that business, it's so critical that you
become the subject matter expert.
You spend so much time learningcontinuous education.
No matter what field you end uppicking, take it seriously
enough that it's not just well,I need to get this basic
certification just to get in.
(39:26):
Now that I'm in, I'll just domy job.
You want to keep learning andkeep reading more about it.
If there are conventions to go,to go there.
If there are some webinars thatyou need to be part of, you
need to be on top of that.
You want to get to where youare earning as much as someone
can earn in that field, and ifthat's not good enough, then you
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move on.
But all those skills are notlost.
They transfer over to the nextthing that you're doing.
So I think that's that'ssomething I would definitely
impart on them as well.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
And she's going to have to because she's going to
need that CE credit to keep herlicense.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, but that's even beyond that.
I'm like to me, it's like way,way beyond that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Cause that's just the bare minimum.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, that's nothing right, you can just like all
right, take a.
Do you even take a class forthat, or yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Or attend a seminar.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Attend a seminar and then boom, they just give you.
You don't?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
have to take a test on you.
You were here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, so you could pretty much like be asleep and
you get that.
So any advice for not just theyouth, but even people our age.
I got a good friend right nowwho went back to school.
It was late 40s, Went back toschool, basically starting a
whole new career.
So I told him the other day Iwas like dude, I'm so proud of
you.
I really, really can't wait forthis to flourish into something
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big, Because we're talking likegoing to school, going to
school hard changing careers andit's going to be such an
amazing success story.
So if that's the path, that'sthe path.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, I would say you're never too old to start
something new, as long as longas it is something that you're
actually going to give it yourall and believe in it, right?
If you're, you know, 15, you'rejust like, well, I'm tired of.
I've been sitting at this deskfor the last 25 years.
I want to go sit at somebodyelse's desk for the next 10
years.
Like you don't need to go tocollege for that.
(41:09):
But if you're wanting to,whether it be do your own thing
or just go into a completelydifferent field because you now
want to double or triple yourincome, you're never too old to
do that right.
You're never too old to gainthat information or gain that
knowledge.
And as far as for the youth,you know, don't be so quick to
think that I'm going to graduatefrom high school and I'm going
to go to college and then I'mgoing to graduate from college,
(41:31):
I'm going to get my master's,and then I'm going to graduate
from getting my master's degreeand then I'm going to go to that
firm and then I'm going to getmy job and they're going to pay
me 85 K starting off my firstyear as I'm paying back the
$400,000 in student debt.
Yeah Right, there may be aneasier path to get into that
(41:51):
same point.
Maybe you don't have that sameinformation, but the time that
you spent getting all thosedegrees to then get to where you
were being in debt, youpotentially may have just done a
shit ton of internships, mentorprograms, other non-traditional
routes to get that sameinformation, to not be hundreds
of thousands of dollars in debt.
(42:12):
It makes sense for some people.
If you want to be a heartsurgeon, no, take your ass to
college.
Take your ass to med school andmake sure you do follow the
correct path.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I actually had a friend who had the same story.
I've got a message for theyoung folks because his story
was he became a creativedirector working in ad agencies
and things like that, right.
So he was selling alarms in thesummer.
So he would spend three monthsselling alarms in the summer and
then he went and got his realjob, what he went to school for,
(42:41):
and he ended up moving toChicago.
He said his turning point wasHalloween.
He and his wife they had afour-year-old who wanted to go
trick-or-treating and hecouldn't get home because you
know, he had to stay and workreally late with the guy who was
his boss.
You know the guy that he sohe's an aspiring creative
director and the guy's alreadythere.
(43:03):
The guy had been there like 11years and still very young dude,
right.
So he's looking up to this dudewho's like early thirties.
He's like, hey, do you ever getto go home?
The guy goes.
I feel the most part man Likethese holidays I'm missing
because I'm working late all thetime or whatever, and he goes.
But if you stick to it you'llmake some decent money, you'll
make some good money and you canhave a great life for you and
(43:23):
your family and he thought aboutit and he goes.
I'm already making more in mysummer job, going door to door
selling alarms than I am at thisjob and my goal, you know.
The lighthouse is getting towhere this guy is 10 to 12 to 15
years from now and he has ahorrible quality of life and
(43:46):
making less money than I am,working 70, 80 hour weeks Right,
and in addition to that he'slike for me to get his job.
Either I quit and move againand go to a different firm or I
wait for this guy to retire.
He's only 32, 33 years old.
So what's the path look like?
(44:06):
And that's when he said he wentback and decided to focus
totally on sales and doing this.
So I mean, I'm not going totell everyone that's the path,
but I will say, if you have anopportunity to go, do the hard
thing that you don't want to doand that hard thing to me is
sales If you can go, do it,because it changes everything
(44:27):
and it really kind of makes youwell-rounded and puts you in a
position to be really good atnegotiating, communicating,
being a positive influence fromfolks.
Don't learn to manipulatepeople, but you can be that
really positive influence, whatI call being an agent of change.
Then you can take those skillsand you can apply them to any
(44:47):
field, anything in the world.
So if you're trying to figureit out, maybe go do that.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
And anyone's all about work-life balance,
depending on what you're selling.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
You may not start till 10 AM.
You may finish when thebusiness is closed at 5, 6 PM,
right?
So I mean you're working aquote unquote half shift when
everyone else is working a fullshift, but you're making just as
much, if not more.
Exactly, and everybody elseworking less.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Exactly so.
I mean there's different pathsthat everyone can take and for
the older guys you know guys myage I definitely encourage them
to be involved in morementorship.
That's my path, at least,that's really what I believe in.
You know, you can't makesomeone do any of that, any of
that stuff, but I don't know.
I just feel that it's a dutythat we have, especially again
in our community.
We talk about the world ingeneral, but we talk about the
(45:35):
black community because that'swhere it's needed the most, I
feel like mentorship and theother ethnic groups.
It's a given.
I hear these stories all thetime, where people are talking
about their success stories andthey had great influences.
My pastor was this, my coachwas this and all these different
people.
It took a village and they wereall there.
Mom and dad had great friendsthat were successful and all
(45:58):
these influences were there andthey were able to go to Mr
So-and-so's home and learn fromthis person, learn about real
estate, when they were 14 yearsold.
In our community it's not ascommon In your 20s.
This is when you go and try itall, man.
Go do it all.
(46:18):
It's not time to party.
We, oh man, cause I made thatmistake.
Once I realized I wasn't goingto go to school straight after
high school, I was just like, ohmy God.
I was thinking about this.
What am I going to do with allthis free time?
And it was stupid, it wasuseless.
I've wasted the time.
I don't think any time inreality is ever wasted, because
I think it was meant for me tolearn what I needed to learn.
But yeah, if I saw a young manthe age that I was then doing
(46:39):
the exact same thing, I'd pullhim aside and be like dude, what
are you doing, Right?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, I had a job, but they got me fucked up.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, they had me fucked up, but it's like no, go
explore, go try it all, go failyeah, because you're going to
fail anyway, right, 100%.
But in your 20s, before youhave a family, before you're
concerned about all that shit,it's the perfect time for you to
go and risk it all and work ashard as you're ever going to
work in your life, lose somefriends over it.
(47:09):
That's my honestly, that's whatI truly, truly believe.
You're not going to remember 90, 90% of them anyway.
Nah, no, exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Those are my thirties , my twenties.
That was that happened in mythirties.
As far as, like, actuallystarting to grind and really
work was my thirties.
No-transcript.
(47:55):
Like your routine, like whattime do you wake up, do you
exercise, do you have a calendar?
Like what are the things thatyou do?
So that way, you know, maybe ifI just start regimenting my
life and start modeling it afterpeople that are successful, I
may stumble into into somethingthat I want to do today.
You know where I can besuccessful, and if you're unable
(48:16):
to do have that conversationwith that person and you just
lost, then yeah, I think collegemay be the thing for you,
because it'll.
It'll open you up to a numberof different paths that are out
there.
That you can fail, yeah Right,because it's college.
Like you're not going to aceevery class, because there's
even some classes you like, someclasses you love and some
(48:36):
classes you're like I'm neverdoing this shit again.
Yeah Right.
And so then, once you start toreally dial down what it is that
you love, then just keep goingdown that road and eventually,
if you, if you stay at it andyou're disciplined, you're going
to get there.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Dope.
No, I love it, man.
So I think this is a perfectsegue, because next week I'm
bringing in a couple of guys whoare mentors to a large
organization.
You have a hundred black men ofthe cab, you know, heading out
there today.
I'm going to check them out.
You know there's a lot of that.
I think more of it is needed,correct.
So I'm excited to have thoseconversations with those guys.
Join us again next week, everyMonday here at Manhood Matters.
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Talk to you next week.
It's been a while since we'vebeen counting.
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You've backed the nation.
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(49:53):
It's so important.
Yeah, I still miss you.
That's all I can say.
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