April 21, 2025 • 54 mins
David moved to Sharpsburg, Georgia seeking a peaceful life for his family just 30 minutes from Atlanta. What he found instead was a campaign of harassment that feels ripped from America's darkest past.
From the moment David purchased his home—discovering the white seller had tried charging him $60,000 more than what he accepted from David’s attorney—the stage was set for conflict. Neighbors weaponized local authorities with repeated false reports about his dogs and business. They installed cameras aimed at his property, set up karaoke machines to broadcast racist songs, and even purchased dogs seemingly to intimidate his family.
The situation escalated to life-threatening proportions when, following a verbal confrontation, one neighbor fired a gun at David as he walked away. The other neighbor physically assaulted him, resulting in both neighbors being arrested and temporarily banned from returning home.
Throughout the ordeal, David demonstrates remarkable restraint, even expressing gratitude that he wasn't carrying his own weapon during the confrontation: "That's the one thing that plays in my mind...I thank God I was not put in a position where I was forced to take a life."
The conversation takes an emotional turn when hosts share their own experiences with racism, revealing generational trauma still affecting Black Americans today. One host recounts being forbidden by his father to defend himself against racist bullying, while another shares his father's harrowing escape from potential lynching in 1940s Georgia.
This powerful episode serves as a stark reminder that despite progress, the reality for many Black Americans still includes fighting for dignity and safety in spaces others believe they don't belong. Subscribe to hear more crucial conversations that challenge, inspire, and illuminate the ongoing journey toward true equality.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So he's just standing there looking up at me, looking
at Adam's apple that's howshort this dude is.
So I turn around and I walkaway.
I'm about 15 feet or more andthen I hear and you will be dead
.
And he fired at me.
Oh, so basically what hethought was going to happen was
he did these little slow matrixhand gestures.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So you could hit him.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thinking that I would just be impulsive, that I would
be reactionary, that he'll moveand I would strike him, and
that he would have a reason toshoot me.
Oh, you would have had me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm saying I would have fallen for that shit.
I'm going to kick you in yourchest.
I'm saying so.
You would have shot me.
There is a not so small city,about 30 minutes away from
downtown Atlanta, calledSharpsburg.
Most of the people that I'vemet there are wholesome, decent
human beings, but the storiesyou're about to hear will
(00:51):
transport you back to America inthe 1950s.
Our guest today is Dr DavidWare, who is a transplant from
New York.
His life has been threatened,he has been harassed, stalked,
and all this in 2025.
One of his neighbors even setup a karaoke machine so he can
(01:14):
sing racially charged lyrics inorder to get a reaction out of
David.
You will hear a short clip ofthis nonsense, but I must
apologize for the audio quality,since we are pulling it from
David's surveillance cameras.
This is one episode whereyou'll need to stay through the
(01:54):
very end.
Welcome to man show, david.
What's going on, brother?
How are you so glad you're here, brother?
Welcome back, leon.
Thank you, david.
Why don't you just take us tothe beginning, man?
So first of all, I want tointroduce the city of Sharpsburg
, georgia.
Where is it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It falls right between Peachtree City and
Noonan.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
People picture Atlanta and they hear Sharpsburg
Sounds like it's 150 miles away.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, not at all.
It's about 28 to 38 miles southof the Atlanta International
Hartfield.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Airport Gotcha.
So I mean from your house todowntown Atlanta.
You're there in about 30minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
About there, 30, 38 minutes, so you're not that far
out.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I just want to make sure that people understand this
is not some 40 days and 40nights to get to some random
little hick town somewhere.
So take us to the beginning.
Man, when did you move there?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I reached out to this Korean sister that I'm real
cool with who's a realtor and Itold her I was like, look, get
me as close as you can possiblyget me to Peachtree City.
I didn't want to live inPeachtree City because that's
Fayette County and in FayetteCounty they don't care if you
got 50 or 150 acres of land, youonly can have three dogs.
And I have more than three dogs.
(03:04):
I supplement my income with dogbreeding as a hobby.
So I ended up finding thishouse in Sharpsburg and it was
perfect because I told I said Iain't want no HOA, I wanted to
be as close to Peachtree City aspossible and when you pulled up
the mapping system on GoogleMaps, my house was right
underneath the P in PeachtreeCity.
That that's how close, it wasin proximity.
(03:26):
So when I first go to see thishouse, it was a Southern
Caucasian gentleman outside.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what I'm saying he's really kind of with
the descriptions.
Yeah, it was a SouthernCaucasian gentleman, southern
Caucasian gentleman outside.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, it was a real nice neighborhood, real nice.
As I was coming in, I seencolor.
Yeah, you know, it's a realnice neighborhood, real nice,
you know, as I was coming in Iseen color, you know made me
feel a little better.
I got out and he was like howyou doing?
Young man you interested in myhouse.
I said what are you asking?
$358,000.
So that should have been yourfirst red flag, because normally
(04:05):
the seller is not present whena real estate agent shows the
house.
Oh yeah, but nobody wasn'tshowing it yet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This was me going there just to see it on my own,
just check it out okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I told him it was the least amount of money you'd be
willing to accept.
He said for you 350.
He said so you interested?
I said no, possibly.
So I can kind of feel that hewas highballing me.
So I turned around, I I got allthe information reached out to
my attorney and told him to do aprivate purchase.
My lawyer emailed him.
I guess he saw the email andsaw a white face on the email
(04:32):
and accepted the low ball.
We thinking that you know this,will you know?
You start low and you go high.
How low was the low ball man?
Like $289,000, $290,000.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So he was going to get you for $60,000 more because
you was black when you came in.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, pretty much.
My lawyer was like look, man,go ahead and handle your
business, I'll set everything up.
Your credit is stellar.
You know you'll be in there ina month and a half.
So he finally contacted me andwas like, yeah, she's yours.
You can go over there and meetwith the owner on Saturday.
I said okay, 12 o'clock.
(05:07):
He's going to give you ahandbook and some keys and a
little tour of the property.
Not a problem, I show up as I'mpulling up to the house and I
get out.
He goes hey, I remember you,but as you can see, she's old.
I said yeah, yeah, I know.
He said, yeah, I'm waiting forthe new owner right now.
Then me and my wife going toFlorida.
I said, yeah, yeah, I know.
He said what do you mean?
(05:27):
you know, you keep saying youknow, what do you know?
I said.
I know.
I said because I'm the newowner.
How are you the new owner?
I told you I wouldn't accept noless than $350,000 for my own.
You did.
And then, in his own voice, Isaid but you told my attorney
that you would gladly accept twohundred ninety eight thousand.
(05:47):
So he turned, beet red in theface, dropped the book on the
fold up chair, dropped his ringof keys on the fold up chair,
gripped himself and switched off.
And I was like, hey, where areyou going?
Does this mean I don't get thetour?
And he just jumped in his carand bounced, so I was happy to
get the house.
I have like a photographicmemory the very first time I
(06:08):
came to see the house there wasa tree in alignment with the
driveway and I could swear thattree was sitting at 12 o'clock.
Now the tree was sitting at 1o'clock.
The last house had trees on theincline.
Every time it rained the groundwas receding.
You know what I'm saying.
So it was like you know, inGeorgia trees tumble over all
(06:30):
the time, coming straight out ofthe root base.
So that was like unnerving.
Still couldn't ignore this treesituation, but I let it go.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, because I'm dying to know where this is
going.
How do you get a tree from 12to 1?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But go ahead Because, as it rains, the ground was
softening, so it was leaning.
It was leaning, it started tolean.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh, because I'm still like did the whole tree move
like real fast?
Yeah, exactly, I'm trying tofigure it started moving, oh,
wow.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I turned around now and I order a dumpster
Because I got a whole bunch ofit.
I said, before I start unload,unloading this stuff in the
house, let me get this dumpster.
And it's a bunch of stuff onthe property that I didn't want.
So we started cleaning out theattic, cleaning out the basement
garages and everything, becausethese people were old, they
were hoarders, they wasn'thoarder hoarders.
But you know he held on to allthe old tile that was left.
(07:17):
You know they hold on to.
They held on to all the extrasum roof and shingles, stuff for
the deck, all that kind of stuff.
Maybe three weeks to a monthlater I'm inside the house and
the whole house shook.
I ran outside on the deck and,oh and behold, that tree fell.
(07:37):
That tree hit one tree, the twotrees hit a third tree and all
three trees hit the guy's sheddemolished it.
Your neighbor's guy's sheddemolished it.
Your neighbor's shed.
Yeah, okay, yeah, demolished it.
The guy to the left of me, ifI'm standing in the doorway, so
I'm standing out there like wow,what a way to make an intro.
You know, just moved into thisneighborhood.
I noticed quickly, while I'mstanding on the deck looking,
(08:00):
he's standing in the middle ofhis backyard looking.
So I said, hey, who'sresponsible for that?
And he says I don't know.
I said, well, I'll call myinsurance company.
He said, yeah, I'll do the same.
Turn around insurance companysays well, you know, if any of
those trees were dead and youneglected to recognize the fact
that they were dead, then you'reliable.
(08:20):
If them trees are healthy andthey fell on their own, it's an
act of God.
Reliable.
If them trees are healthy andthey fell on their own, it's an
act of God.
They sent somebody out thattook some plugs out of each of
the trees, found out all thetrees were healthy.
Okay, so it was ruled an act ofGod.
This guy being the pettyindividual, small minded
individual that he is, insteadof him just coming to me like
listen, neighbor, I got athousand dollar deductible.
(08:43):
Can you throw me a few dollarson it?
I have everything removed.
But at a later date I found outhe was supposed to have
everything removed anyway.
You turn around.
He had insurance.
Justice came out there andthat's what they did.
They looked at three trees andhis shed.
They cut a check for all ofthat, right?
Well, this guy's so petty thatwhen the tree company shows up,
(09:03):
he cuts all three of the treesin half on the property line.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So the trees that fell on his side.
He took care of the other halfof the tree you had to take care
of.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So he had this guy.
I said hey.
I said to the tree guy hey,what's going on?
He was like psh.
He gestured to this guy.
I said um, because theinsurance company paid for the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
The insurance company had paid for the whole thing.
For me Correct?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
He turned around and told them to cut it right on the
property line.
So they removed everything onhis property and left everything
that was on my property.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, that's a dickhead.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So I also found myself one day having my first
Karen experience.
I walk out to the mailbox.
I didn't see nobody, to theright, left, nowhere.
I'm looking down at the mailand I turn around and I hear oh,
you must be Mr Ware.
I said I am who's asking?
She said my name is Gail.
You must be the one who shystedand such and such out of their
(09:56):
home.
Shysted.
I said I didn't shyst, scam,con anyone.
An offer was made, an offer wasaccepted and I am now the new
owner.
So you say.
I said well, you know what?
Let's try it like this For theremainder of the time that I'm
here in black and breathing andyou are here.
I said you don't have to worryabout anything that takes place
(10:19):
with me in this property becauseyou can stay the F out of my
business.
So she was like huh.
So she switched off.
I said here we go First Karen.
After the he did the pettinesswith cutting a tree on the
property line.
I ordered the dumpster but Igot an audience Neighbors to the
left, neighbors to the right,neighbors, directly across the
(10:39):
street.
Everybody's looking at thistruck back the dumpster down the
driveway.
So I was like well, well youknow, some people entertain, you
know, very easily entertained.
Yeah, three days in on thedumpster, hey, mr dave, I mean,
somebody called me.
I look up this dude next door.
You know the tree, the tree guy.
Um, I see you got yourself adumpster there.
(11:00):
Yeah, well, I would like toknow, can I put a few things in
your dumpster?
Now?
You know, first thought processwas hell, two f's.
No, I just can't be that petty.
You know I'm saying so.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I said to myself leon's over here like having a
damn mini stroke you all right,brother?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
no because my reaction was it would have been
his first one.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, I mean it was the reasonwhy it's costing me to have this
dumpster is because you werepetty, but now you want to throw
something in it, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So me, I always try to be the bigger person.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So I say to him I'm working on that and I know it's
Sunday, but yeah, I walk.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So I gesture for dude to come over.
I I said, sir, let me explainsomething to you.
I don't have a problem with youputting anything in that
dumpster, but you need to knowahead of time that anything that
you put in that dumpster youwill contribute to the cost of
that dumpster.
Are we clear?
He was like, oh yes, mostdefinitely.
(11:57):
I started waiting for him toput something in the dumpster.
He would never put anything inthe dumpster when I was around.
So I turn around, I leave, gorun some errands and I come back
.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
And I see why when I come back you know we got like
two hot water heaters, an olddresser you know what I'm saying
Three tires, so obviously he'sgot some help with putting stuff
in there.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Put a bicycle he had a grandson over there that was
in his early twenties, you knowput an old bicycle in there and
about four or five, maybe sixbags of trash, 55 gallon joints.
So me, being a proactiveindividual that I am, I take out
my cell phone, I took a pictureand I sent it to the dumpster
company and I said, if I was tohave this, this picked up and
this only, how much would itcost?
(12:39):
It was like 150, 180.
So I go looking for dude.
I can't find him.
He ducking me, take me threedays to find him.
So I finally roll up on him andhe's all startled.
I said, hey, what's going on,neighbor?
He said, hey, what's going on,what can I do for you?
I said, what can you do for me?
I said I've been trying to seekyou out to get that bread, that
money, your financialcontribution to the dumpster.
(13:02):
Oh, I don't remember us havingthat discussion.
You don't remember us havingthat discussion.
I said, bro, I'm from New YorkCity, I'm from up top Jersey,
new York, and I know I made itcrystal clear that you was going
to contribute to the cost.
He says he has a hearingimpediment.
He don't remember thatconversation.
But how much you looking foranyway, all of what you put in
(13:23):
there?
Solely $150 to $180.
Well, I don't have $150 or $180and I ain't taking all that
stuff out of that dumpster.
Me and my grandson went throughhell putting all that stuff in
the dumpster.
I said, oh, you don't have themoney and you ain't going to
take nothing out of the dumpster, not a problem.
I missed the gadget.
I got a small, medium, largeand extra large hand truck.
(13:45):
I guess he didn't think I would, but I strapped that extra
large hand truck up three timesand drug all that stuff up the
driveway and across the propertyline and put it in the middle
of his driveway.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's a lot of work, that is so exhausting just
listening to him that would havebeen me.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, but I didn't care.
I'd have done the same thing.
I didn't care, because I'm, youknow, I can be king pitch.
Yeah, I didn't care I didn'tcare.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
He just needed to learn man.
Yeah, first of all, I alreadywent against my own judgment by
allowing him to put anything inthere.
I mean, I really wanted to justhurt his feelings the first
time, like you, had the audacityto come in my face and ask me
for anything.
After that petty nonsense.
Now, when he came home and sawthis, oh, he was hotter than
fish grease, as they say.
You know what I'm saying.
(14:28):
He was hot, he was out there onhis cell phone talking loud,
he's marching, he's mad and he'swalking around and stuff.
It sat there for about three24-hour periods.
They didn't move it to like thefourth day and that was it
right there, bro, you know whatI'm saying.
Like what they say, what isunderstood does not need to be
explained.
It was nothing to talk about.
We done so.
Now I love dogs, got my dogsrunning my property.
(14:51):
Every time my dogs run myproperty, old boy, we talking
about, you know, the dumpstercalls animal control.
Okay, I got a little wellnessoffice in my home that I work
periodically, periodically whenI'm, you know, not on my job
clock and when I have clientscome over.
His compadre, which is amexican gentleman who lives
directly across the street fromme.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Every time clients come over he calls the sheriff's
department and reports us forillegal parking because they're
parking in front of your house,on the street they're parking in
front of street.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So every time animal animal is that in fact illegal?
No, animal control came outnine times, about seven to nine
times.
Didn't find anything wrong, noinfractions, no, nothing Matter
of fact.
Even two out of the nine timesthey knew.
I didn't know they was coming,so I just let them have a tour
of my house and how I keep mydogs and everything, and that
won me a lot of brownie pointswith them.
(15:42):
Because he's like man.
The man was transparent.
He know he's coming.
Let's see his dogs all healthy.
You feed him top shelf.
His dogs eat better than we do.
So I'm due across the street.
Come to find out.
He's the compadre to do nextdoor, or at least getting cool
behind me.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Enemy of my enemy is my friend type situation.
There you go, I was going tosay so the Hispanic, do forget,
he's a brown person.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh yeah, there you go .
I was noticed, is very, verytrue.
A lot of Hispanics that I'vepersonally dealt with in the
corporate world or in just inlife in general.
When it serves them to leanmore on the dark side, they will
I mean, they'll sit here anddog the white dude and talk to
me about you know these whitepeople, blah, blah.
But the second they get favorwith the white person, they will
do everything in their power tosee if there is a way they can,
in their mind, elevate to thatstatus.
There's no elevation there, butin their mind it's like, if I
(16:50):
can be close to this person, Iwill gang up on this other
brother right here, because itserves their purpose, because
they need to be accepted exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And um, the dude next , the, the Mexican gentleman
across the street.
He definitely was of a warpedmentality because he used to
brag about the fact that he hadwhite people cleaning his house.
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingyeah, but I have noticed all my
life that you have certaingroups of Latino Hispanics who
always brown those up againstwhite people because they want
(17:22):
to be white badly, ground thoseup against white people because
they want to be white badly.
And things between me and theMexican gentleman escalated
because one day he purposelyparked his pickup truck directly
across from my driveway,meaning if somebody's coming to
pull in the driveway Back out,they can't get out.
If they're trying to pull inthe driveway, it's hard to get
in the driveway.
I mean they can do it, but theygot to finagle because he's
(17:44):
right across from the drivewayand if somebody's backing out
it's funny, they got to finagle.
So I was having I have a 501c3nonprofit organization that's
registered with the UnitedNations called Humanities Hope
for Healing.
So I was having a HumanitiesHope for Healing meeting and we
had cars everywhere and that'snothing new in the neighborhood.
Everybody has these littlecookouts and little gatherings
(18:05):
and they got cars parkedeverywhere.
Yeah, so dude sees all thesecars parked over on my side of
the street, got, he has thebiggest driveway in the
neighborhood, one of them big,giant horseshoe driveways and
then still got another drivewayto go to a garage to another
section so you got plenty ofparking.
He comes down off his propertyand parks his Toyota pickup
(18:26):
directly across from my driveway.
A Uber Eats vehicle was backingout.
It was a Mini Cooper.
The car was so small that itbacked into his tire.
It never even touched the bodyof the vehicle and the person
barely nudged it, pulled up offit and he left.
Well, at a later date he musthave checked his video cameras
and seen that his vehicle washit in spite of the fact that
(18:49):
there was no visible damage.
He went on the warpath.
He's running around outside infront of his house talking trash
about.
Somebody hit his vehicle, so mydoorbell rings and it's the
wife.
I made a beeline straight outthe front door across my lawn
and I walked up to him andcaught him off guard.
He turned around and saw achest, looked up hey man, you're
(19:11):
standing too close to me and Isaid listen, bro, I hear that
there is an issue.
Yeah, there's an issue.
Somebody hit my truck.
Show me your truck, bro.
Show me where your truck gothit at.
Right here.
Give me these little light handgestures Right here.
Give me these little light handgestures right here.
Right here, show me the damageright here, right here, what?
There's no visible damage.
I'm not going to go out hereand be playing private
investigator to run down asituation that there's no,
(19:33):
there's no visible damage.
And I said next time you youknow it's a problem, come to me,
don't send your wife.
He ain't like that at all.
Next thing, you know, I go awayon business for three days.
You know I make these littleholistic health wellness bundles
and my clients come to thehouse to pick the bundles up and
my kids was giving them to himin spite of the fact that I'm
(19:53):
not there.
So as clients were pulling up,coming to the house getting
bundles, everybody who had ablack car he was running down on
them.
Well, he messed up.
One of the individuals he randown was a Fulton County
sheriff's wife and she was lividand then she got one of those
husbands that the sun rises andsets on her.
He's the kind of dude that eventell you if my wife is in your
(20:14):
company, you're responsible formy wife.
So she's all upset and she'stalking about how she's going to
call her husband and I'm likeplease, let's not do this.
So I go over there and I justgo beast mode on dude, but I'm
monotone with it.
I said yo man, child, youreally need to grow up.
This last woman you didn't ranup on I said you didn't ran up
(20:35):
on.
I said it's not likeeverybody's not somebody, but
this woman is somebody, somebody.
And the somebody is he's aFulton County sheriff, fulton
County Sheriff.
And I said, dude, we'llliterally bro, come up here from
Fulton County and skull F youover his wife.
After that, all these policecoming to the house.
So now that we got severalanimal control calls, it's a lot
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of harassment, bro, yeah a lotof harassment.
So now one day they ended upcalling both.
Now I'm standing at the end ofmy driveway with animal control
and the Sheriff's Department andwe have a conversation we the
three of us and they turn aroundand go to these two gentlemen
and let them know at this pointyou're harassing mr, where
(21:16):
you're trying to weaponize usagainst him.
We now see it.
It's recognized and noted.
Yeah, you call us over hereagain and it's a fictitious
situation again.
Fill out a report in thepetition towards the court of
harassment against the two ofy'all well, my problem or
question is is that them beingcalled that many times?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
those are false police reports.
Why is there no charges againsthim or?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
anything like that exactly.
That definitely crossed my mindmultiple times.
But I'll let them do theirthing.
I'll'll let them cook.
Now both of them decide to goget dogs and weaponize the dogs.
At this point now my spiritsays go out and buy a
surveillance system.
So I buy the best one.
I have the company come outprofessionally install it and
(22:02):
everything.
I mean this thing got all thebells and whistles Soon as the
system goes up.
I come out my house one day andthere's a dog standing in front
of my door growling at me.
I chased the dog off.
Over the next couple of daysdog is in this yard growling at
different family members.
So I walked right up to theproperty line.
I said let me speak to you fora minute.
He was like what do you want?
(22:23):
I said look, I don't knowwhat's up with you and this dog.
But I noticed that y'all wentinto some shelter somewhere and
got some dog.
This dog ain't even no puppy.
Nobody don't know this dog.
This dog is growling at my kids, growling at me.
Keep this dog on your side ofthe property, sounds reasonable.
I'm saying keep your dog off myproperty.
Well, you, you don't want, wantto be talking.
(22:44):
You're saying your dogs be allover the place.
I said, look, I'm not gonna goback and forth with you.
This is a courtesy.
If I catch that dog on myproperty again, I'm gonna make
him disappear.
So at this time the wife didn'tgot out the hook, she didn't
pull it in the driveway whilewe're talking.
She gets out.
She's hearing the conversation.
She act like she wants smoke.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
She trying to get to me what you mean trying to get
to you like she want to fight noway.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, like when I said to them I catch the dog on
my property again, I'm gonnamake it disappear yeah she's.
I wish you would put your handson my dog, touch my dog, boom,
boom.
I'm like she.
I said man, cut her loose, lether go.
I said I understand that youwear the pants over there.
I see you doing all the workand she working every day.
I see her leaving.
I said but let me explainsomething to you.
I'm saying you run up on meacting like a man.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm gonna treat you like a man and that's for any
man, but this is an audio, sothere's no visualization.
How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I'm almost six eight and you're in good shape so yeah
, it ain't six, eight, in fact,this is a six eight brother in
great shape right and she wantsto run up on you, right, exactly
she and she about she, aboutfive, three, yeah, about 200
pounds.
Oh my god, I'm saying so.
They took what I said seriousbecause immediately they put a,
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they installed electric fenceelectric yeah, oh for the dog,
dog okay jesus christ, I boughtthey immediately installed
electric fence like one of thoseinvisible fences.
Yeah.
So the dog?
The dog knows he get a littleshock.
He come too close to theproperty.
So now the dog is over there.
So now the Mexican gentlemanacross the street, he goes and
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purchase a German shepherd,running all over the place.
Wow, you know, they ain't getthe dog no kind of training.
And as the dog gets bigger he'sexploring his horizons.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
So let me ask you a question.
So is your property fenced in?
No, my property's not fenced in.
It's not fenced in.
Your neighbor's property is notfenced in?
Nope, and the one across thestreet ain't fenced in.
But your dogs are smart enoughto stay within your property
Exactly my dogs.
They own my property, but theirdogs run wild.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, the one don't run wild no more because they
put an electric fence on him.
You would think they would haveshared that information with
their friend across the streetbecause this situation started
escalating.
So now this German Shepherd isreally getting bucked.
He chasing folks.
I got video on my phone rightnow.
He chasing Instacart guy Costme a client.
I had a client that I had toreimburse $1,900 to, and when
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she called me for theappointment she heard a dog bark
and she said something about.
She got this phobia of dogs.
She's scared to death Dogs.
Please.
You know, put your dogs up whenI come, I told you you ain't
got to worry about it, you ain'tgoing to see no dogs.
Oh and behold, she comes to myhouse in an Uber.
She comes in and gets herservice.
Everything's explained to her.
She paid for full.
As she's leaving my house, theGerman shepherd runs across the
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street onto my property, slidesup behind her, chases her into
the Uber.
She's slipping and falls rightinto the Uber.
She ain't hurt herself, but sheliterally ran right into the
Uber.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, even without a phobia.
It's a German shepherd lookingat you, right?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And she's hollering and screaming and she's flipping
, and she's flopping.
She gets in the car and she'sgone, yeah, so next thing, you
know she ain't even out thesubdivision yet and she's
blowing up my phone.
David, I told you I don't dodogs, and this and this and this
and this and the third.
I said I'm sorry that thathappened to you.
I saw everything on the camera.
That's not my dog.
Well, I'm being honest, youknow I'm saying, you know my
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head is hurting, I know mypressure is up right now, and
this and this and that and that.
Can you please cash out me backmy money in full?
Yeah, I'm pissed.
So the situation stillcontinues to escalate.
I'm out there one day with thekids and the German Shepherd
runs from their yard to theNavy's yard next door and I
didn't know the dog was overthere.
So the dog comes blindsides us,comes from the left, runs
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across and snaps at one of thechildren Like he's trying to
grab the child, to run away withthe child.
I take everybody into the houseand then I'm hearing my sensor
going off on my security system.
So I checked the cameras.
The dog is on my property.
He's running around on myproperty.
So I go to the back porch, myback deck, so I bust at him,
misses him, him.
But he's scared and he runs outof my yard like his tail is on
fire were you actually trying toget him or you just wanted to
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shoot in this direction?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was trying to get him.
I was high, the dog, literallythe dog.
We got the dog on camera,literally his mouth opening wide
trying to grab my littlecousin's daughter.
Yeah, I'm saying teeth flaring.
We got it all on video.
So, yeah, I was trying tocapture him.
I miss him.
He goes running off the yard.
I mean tearing.
First of all, as soon as theshot goes off, everybody's
scattering around theneighborhood.
And then, while you'rescattering, everybody's looking,
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trying to figure out what'sgoing on.
You see this dog exiting myproperty with quickness, is
hollering and screaming oh myGod, such and such.
I actually thought the dog wasrunning like that because he had
been shot.
And everybody's so concernedabout the dog, trying to catch
up to the dog, wanting to see ifthe dog's okay, yada, yada,
yada.
So my doorbell rings.
I got like seven sheriffs infront of my house.
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What's all the shooting about?
I said I don't recall callingy'all about any shooting.
No, the Navy said you're outhere shooting at the dog.
I said really, I'm not shootingat anything.
How can I help you?
So they come at me being youknow being accusatory.
I said are you coming over hereto investigate?
Are you coming over here beingaccusatory.
I said because if you want tocome and investigate, ask some
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questions, cool, Come over herebeing accusatory.
Then that's where I stop and mylawyer begins.
Oh, you got an attorney.
Who's your attorney?
Then I reach in my pocket and Isay you know, take your pick,
Pull out two cards.
So while they're talking to me,I didn't even know until I
checked the video cameras, thatthree police officers was around
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the back.
They didn't give thempermission to be walking around
on my property, but they wentback there and seen a couple of
my big dogs so they stayed atthe outskirts of my property.
So they ended up going abouttheir business.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Now, what is that?
Fayette County, that's Coweta,oh Coweta.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, it's Coweta County.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Even the name says chills down your spine.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I know the county well, coweta County.
Yeah, I know the county.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So after this incident, everything escalates
to hand gestures and meanmugging and petty epithets, name
calling and all this kind ofstuff.
I could care less.
Say whatever you want to say.
Spell my name right.
They're trying to escalate thesituation to a physical.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
So that you could get arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Everything they tried to do to get you arrested
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So but they don't know how to escalate because
name calling doesn't escalate tophysical.
You want to escalate thephysical, you've got to get
physical.
So one day I come into mygarage and hit the garage door
and the garage door goes up.
So as the garage door goes up,the dog next door with the
electric fence comes runningstraight up to the property line
barking refusiously at me.
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So I said shut up, get out ofhere, you cur.
And then dude sticks his headoff the porch because I drive,
our garages face one another.
So I see a head peek off theporch.
He looks, he comes down thesteps, walks up to the property
line and say what you say to mydog.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What you say to my dog.
What you say to my dog, what?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
you say to my dog because you hurt his feelings,
right?
I said, man, get your raggedyold ass out of here, you don't
want no problems.
He said keep it up.
Keep it up and smack the shitout you and put you in your
place.
I said what?
And pointed gesture to thestreet man, ain't nothing but
room, time and opportunity.
So we I go straight to thestreet.
I didn't notice until after Ichecked the footage, what he was
doing prior to going to thestreet.
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But we make it down to thestreet and I'm standing there
and he makes these two matrixhand gestures in my face real
slow.
He goes and waves his hand inmy face.
So I back up.
He goes and does it a secondtime.
I back up.
I said dude, look, stop playingwith me.
You already know if you putyour hands on me I'm going to
put you in a box.
So he's just standing therelooking up at me, looking at
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Adam's apple that's how shortthis dude is.
So I turn around and I walkaway.
I'm about 15 feet or more andthen I hear and you will be dead
.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
And he fired at me.
Oh, he fired at me, so that'swhat he went to do.
When you went to the street, hewas getting a gun.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So basically what he thought was going to happen was
he did these little slow matrixhand gestures so you could hit
him, thinking that I would justbe impulsive, that I would be
reactionary, that he'll move andI would strike him, and then he
would have a reason have had me.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm saying I would have fallen for that shit.
I'm going to kick you in yourchest.
I'm saying so you would haveshot me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
So as soon as he fires the gun, his compadre, the
Mexican, hears it the gunshot.
So you don't get hit.
No, I don't get hit.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So he wasn't trying to kill you.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
He was trying to scare you, he to intimidate.
I guess he thought I was goingto be ducking and running.
I'm like dude, I'm from NewYork.
I said we don't do warningsaround here, so I'm still
standing there.
So the Mexican comes marchingout immediately, comes marching
out right up to me, sticks hishands in my face.
I smack his hand down and Ijump back.
He, he flexes on me.
I'm standing there unfazed.
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He turns to the white dude andsays give me the gun.
Give me the gun, I'll shoot him, I'll kill him.
Give me the gun, I'll shoot him, I'll kill him.
So dude doesn't relinquish theweapon.
So the Mexican dude balls uphis fist and then tries to
sucker, punch me, knocks myglasses off my face.
We square up in the street.
Now we fighting.
You know I got hands, so I'mcatching him.
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Well, in this melee I fractureboth of my hands and both of my
wrists.
So at this time thisestablished in his mind that
this guy got long arms, he canhit hard and all this stuff.
I don't know if he quitefigured out that I was injured,
but he definitely came to theconclusion that he could not
fight me fair.
So he rushes in and plants myfoot to the ground, like what
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I'll be doing to my sons.
My sons try to run and I'llplant their foot to the ground.
They slide out, fall down, andI got them.
And when he plants my foot tothe ground as I'm trying to move
back, I slowly drift to theground.
Soon as my butt touches theground, he rushes in, punches me
in the mouth.
He sees I'm totally unfazed.
So he rushes in one more timeand knees me in the top of the
head.
So when he needs me, the top ofthe head.
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I never got hit in top of thehead before, very disoriented.
Every time I stand up, I'mfalling, I stand up, I'm falling
, I stand up.
So I stand up and fall.
About three times.
The third time he puts his lefthand on my right shoulder and
says stay down, diablo negro,stay down, diablo negro, I'll
kill you, I'll kill you, I'llkill you.
Stay down, diablo Negro.
So then the neighbor to theright, who's the air marshal?
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He comes out.
What the hell is going on?
Stop this madness, or whateverhe was saying.
So Steve is a neutral party.
He knows both, but he's notinvolved.
The Mexican gentleman goes up tothe white gentleman, takes the
gun out and hit the whitegentleman's hand, goes into the
white gentleman's house andhides the weapon.
You know what I'm saying.
Then here comes Coweta.
(33:30):
They fill up the county yeah,they come in there hard and fast
, yeah.
So they turn around, they walkup to him where's the gun?
So evidently somebody must havereported something, because as
soon as the police got out, theydidn't come to me and ask for
no gun.
They walked straight up to himand said where the gun at he's
like, what gun he's like.
Look, we can get CID out hereand get a warrant.
Well, we all standing out therefrom 6 o'clock in the evening
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to 1130 at night before theymade the first arrest.
They arrested the whitegentleman Because he shot at you
.
Yeah, cid came in.
They go in there.
They find the gun.
So they come out, they arresthim.
Then at 12 o'clock midnightthey arrest the Mexican.
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After they had viewed all thesevideos and everything, I go to
the hospital.
Both of them was in jail forabout a week.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Wow, that's surprising.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, he was in jail for about a week, a little shy
of a week, I would say aboutfive, six days.
So when the white gentlemancomes home, the judge who
arraigned him was pissed.
He told me he can't be within300 yards of Mr Ware, so dude
had to go to Delaware.
He had to leave the state andgo to Delaware to a family house
or somewhere.
Only thing I know he was gonefor four and a half months and
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he was pissed because evidentlyhe must have been costing him
money wherever he was at,because he went and got himself
an attorney.
An attorney kept trying to makean attempt to modify this
situation so he could come homeand he wouldn't do it.
The Mexican disappeared too.
Where he went, I don't know.
I didn't see him hardly at all.
Well, as soon as everybody goesto wherever they went, the
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grandson retaliates against me.
The grandson like 23, 24 yearsold.
My goddaughter and her mothercame to the house and while they
were taking groceries and stuffout of the car to come into the
back side of my house, mysensor alarms started going off.
And, mind you, it's dark, it'snighttime.
I go out on the back deck and Igot one of them moonbeam-type
flashlights.
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One of them, you know, likelight up a whole football field.
So I go out on the back deckand I don't have the flashlight
on yet, but I'm just looking andlo and behold, I turn the light
on.
Poof Dude is up in the tree Inthe tree, in the tree.
He's in the tree On yourproperty, no, on the property
line.
It's a tree Gotcha, right onthe property line.
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Dude is in the tree mounting acamera on the tree, okay,
looking at his phone as he'saligning the camera, pointing
the camera at my family members,okay.
When that sunbeam light hit him, he froze up like a raccoon.
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I'm saying like I don't see you, oh my God.
And he's just sitting there.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You can't make this shit up.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, you can't make it up, bro.
He's just on top of the ladderwith his back to me being still
not moving.
I'm like you can't see me.
You can.
The ladder, with his back to mebeing still not moving, like
you can't see me.
You can't see me.
Like he, like he, like he usinglike he, using a jedi mind
trick or something.
He finally comes down, grabsthe ladder, runs off with the
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ladder.
I call the police.
They go in, running around outthere, they catch him and arrest
him in my driveway.
No way, yeah, yeah there you gobeing put right in the police
car yeah, no, why?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
why was he?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
being arrested.
Stalking, oh stalking andharassment.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
They arrested him, so they the family's already been
warned for harassment.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I thought was just the grandfather, so the whole
family.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Oh yeah, well, basically the all of them
complicit.
Yeah, they want a w so bad theytaking L's left and right.
And now here comes the Mexicanand the German shepherd again.
I took him back and forth tocourt, so much to the point that
the situation became soegregious they locked him up for
a week and gave him a $1,000fine for the dog.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, that's serious Now mind you.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
He already out on bail for assaulting battery on
me.
So everybody breaks down likehe's going to the electric chair
.
Bro, you would think that hewas going to the electric chair.
He's going.
You know what I'm saying.
The way they was acting in thiscourtroom, yeah, bro, I'm
sitting there looking at thesepeople like are you for real?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, to them it's a psychological loss more than
anything.
A week in jail sucks for anydamn body, right, but when you
think about it, I think for themit's like how dare you Exactly?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So he gets locked up.
He got paid a $1,000 fine.
As soon as he comes out of jailhe comes back to the house one
time and he disappears.
I literally haven't seen himback over there since July, the
8th of last year.
Really, yeah, he hasn't beenhome.
He comes to court Okay of lastyear.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Really yeah, he hasn't been home.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
He comes to court, okay, but he don't live over
there no more.
I think she didn't kick themout.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You're dealing with all this stuff.
It's been going on for what?
Two years, three years.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, I've been living there five years.
They've been harassing me forthree, yeah, and I've been
taking them in and out of courtfor a little video of the whole
karaoke incident.
Tell us about that, right?
So, um, the grandson bails outand he's pissed.
You know he was already callinghimself trying to retaliate
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against me because hisgrandfather got locked up and
couldn't come back to the houseanything for, like I would say,
about a week and a half, twoweeks.
Every day he'd see me come homeoutside, he'd get on this
karaoke machine and make these,um, racial epithets and all
these sexual vulgarities.
I mean, it gets worse than what?
Than the audio than you have?
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And only thing I did is justcontinue to just keep
documenting, documenting,documenting, documenting.
One day situation really getsout of hand.
My god, sister was over therewith her daughter, it was in.
It was like four or five women,me and my son, we all in the
backyard and the neighbors wereall huddled up in the driveway
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In your driveway, no, in theirdriveway.
And as we driving up mydriveway to get ready to leave,
I looked to the left andsomebody said some racial
nonsense.
Somebody said some racialnonsense and I immediately hit
the brake through the car intopark and jumped out and told him
keep on pressing.
I said you can have all theproblems you want to have with
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me all day long.
Now y'all fucking with myfamily.
I said keep them fucking aroundand I got something for your
asses.
You white niggas.
That white nigga shit hit themand that was it.
Everybody leaned back.
Brother, it was all messed up.
I know it was effective becauseyou know how I know it was
effective.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Three days later had that eight foot fence up so I
want to play the audio of whatyou sent me, okay, and then I
want us to hear it, because thisis so, set this up for us
before I play it like I said,the grandson, every day he seen
me outside he would get hiskaraoke machine and basically,
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you know, call me a monkey andso right now we're gonna listen
to it so we can get both ourreactions to it.
You're in your driveway doingsome work.
Looks like you're doing some.
It's seed spreader yeah, seedspreader.
There you go.
You're standing out there andyou can hear the audio.
So he's taking.
The karaoke speaker pointedpointing it at the right-?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
No, he just went in his garage and wheeled it out
and just stood out there infront of his garage with the
microphone in his hand.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And he was singing, so I'm singing, all right.
So there you go.
Here's what he's singing rightnow.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Me and my monkey.
I'm in a ball Monkey comesalong, me and my monkey.
Get in the car.
Me and my monkey Walkingthrough the town.
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Me and my monkey Go on a rideUp in town.
I love you Walking through thetown with my monkey, monkey,
monkey, we will be in the monkey.
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We will be in the monkey.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
All right.
Well, he could hold a note, butI think what's interesting here
?
David has zero reaction.
He just keeps doing what he'sdoing, right?
What are your thoughts when youhear this, Leon?
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I'm enraged because I had a similar incident to this
when I was in high school.
But that comment enrages me,that you are comparing me to an
animal.
I was 17, and I showed him whatan animal can do when they get
their hands on you.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You didn't have the maturity that he had, because
this is happening.
How old are you now?
I'm 57.
Holy shit, dude.
I thought you were like 45.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
No, I'm 57.
But that's what's up.
Racism is something that I'vedealt with in my youth, but my
father was the type of personthat he craved the white
lifestyle.
You know, saying anything thatyou know.
He was the type of person thatalways think white man's ice
cubes is colder than everybodyelse's.
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My father felt less of a manliving in the family's estate,
so he moved us to a town calledCranford, new Jersey, to a town
called Cranford, New Jersey, andin Cranford, new Jersey, they
kept the black folks at thenorth side of the town and the
south side of the town.
I didn't have a stamp on myforehead that said I was the
black with money living in themiddle of the town.
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Most of the blacks who did havemoney lived on the north side
and most of the blacks whodidn't have money lived on the
south side, and I got caught inthe middle.
My mother would dress me to thenines and send me to school
every day and them white boyswould rip my clothes up, smack
me around.
My father put me in a cornerone day and told me that I
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couldn't fight back.
Put me in the corner and say myben, I never catch me here by
me fighting why?
Why was that?
He was on some Jesus Christ turnthe other.
Cheek type situation, jesus gotyour back type situation.
I bet I never hear anythingabout you fighting and even a
couple of times that I got intoa couple of scuffs.
As soon as I got home, this manstripped me butt naked you know
what I'm saying beating me withstinging cords and stuff like
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that.
You know what I'm saying,blistering up my skin and all
kinds of stuff.
Every time I'd give into alittle hiccup.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
So then, violence was okay when he inflicted it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Exactly so here it is .
I can't protect myself.
So when these little youngwhite boys in town figured out,
oh he ain't going to fight back,I got a ruptured testicle right
now from getting jumped fromwhite boys.
It got to from getting jumpedfrom white boys.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It got sick.
You can't.
Oh man, yeah, what you justheard was leon slamming down the
headphones and walking away togather himself.
Um, the conversation justbecame too painful.
At this point.
People don't understand, right?
You know, we're all in our 40sand 50s and these things come
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back and they're still so verypainful it is, but what's even
more painful is the fact that in2024-25 you're still living.
Oh, we all are right.
I deal with this shit every day,about every one of us.
We deal with it every singleday.
I wouldn't have to think toohard to give you the latest
incident.
The reason I wanted to talkabout your story is because you
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have so many things documented,you have so much going on, but
it's still inflicting a lot ofpain and people are hearing it
and you know people listening tothis will listen to it, and
just when we can laugh it off,we'll laugh it off.
Right, we laugh to keep fromcrying and people being
emboldened.
In this particular age and thisparticular climate, things are
getting.
We don't see them gettingbetter.
(45:11):
We see them getting worse, andto hear your stories in 2024,
2025, it's rough.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
So I'm sorry, it's all right, I had to get up and
remove myself, man.
So I grew up in Detroit becausemy dad had to leave Savannah
Georgia.
My dad was 50 when I was born,so this was 1942.
He was 19 years old and he wason a bus.
If you were in Savannah Georgiaor ever been to Savannah
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Georgia, there's a street calledBroad Street.
Yeah, I've been there.
So Broad Street was the side oftown.
The black folks stayed on andthen I don't particularly know
what the white side of town.
The black folks stayed on andthen I don't particularly know
what the white side of town was.
So dad was on the bus cominghome.
He was attending Savannah State, which was at the time Georgia
College.
White man gets on the bus andthey ride and then they let off
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on Broad Street and the whiteguy says, oh, I guess we in
Nickerville.
And laughs and it enraged mydad so much he stayed on the bus
.
They get to the guy's stop.
The guy gets off the bus.
He goes out the front door, ofcourse, because they sit in the
front.
Dad gets off the back becausehe sits in the back.
Bus pulls off, the guy startswalking.
My dad follows him, runs up tohim, taps him on the shoulder
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and as soon as he turns aroundhe punches him, knocks him down
Wow, dad carried a switchblade.
Pulls out the switchblade, putsit to his neck and said I guess
you in Nickerville now.
He said I ride that bus everyday.
If I ever hear you say thosewords again, I'll kill you, Put
the knife up, turns around, runsback toward his side of town.
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The white man gets up, runstoward his side of town, never
to see each other again.
The lucky thing is my dad gothome and him and his mother were
extremely close.
He told his mother what he did.
She immediately got him out oftown.
Yeah, that was smart.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
This is the late 40s.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
She immediately got him on a bus and sent him to
Tampa to stay with relatives.
And I'm shaking telling youthat story because I can't
imagine being told not to fightback.
Yeah, it was hard, it's insane.
My dad and my grandfather, ifany white man, black man, green
(47:27):
man, man, put his hands on youand you don't fight back.
That's a problem.
You got to do without a problem.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah, we don't take no ass whoopings in this house.
Well, if we, if we take them,it's because we ain't, because
we wasn't fighting.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Exactly.
It got to a point where it hadto end.
So this whole situation withthis showdown in sharpsburg.
I'm not a stranger to racism.
You know, I went to schooloverseas in the uk.
Same situation when thesituation got so out of hand
with the school and at the ageof 13 my mother sent me over,
you know, overseas to go toschool, and it's the same thing.
(48:03):
Now they're hating you becauseyou're american, hating you
because you're black, it'salways something yeah hating you
because you're smart enough tobe in this.
You know this young and giftedprogram type situation.
But I've always had a winningpersonality, you know.
And one thing my grandmotherand my family always taught me,
they said, as a black man, inorder to be valued you must
specialize.
So I've always gone intospecialty fields, as far as
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employment and even being downhere in the south.
I see here in georgia how theytreat black people from georgia.
They treat different from blackpeople from up north, up north,
absolutely.
You know I'm saying you know Imoved to sharpsburg because I
wanted my children to have acool, calm, collected, quiet,
laid-back, reserved life.
(48:47):
Yeah, real good school systemsout there.
I ain't going to lie, I reallydidn't see none of this coming
man.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
No one could have.
I've been in the South since2006.
I've experienced a lot ofracism but when I heard your
story I was like that's somenext level bullshit.
I've had my life threatened.
I've had, you know, the gunspulled on me by those who were
sworn to serve and protect,didn't matter what I looked like
, what I was dressed in, whatthe environment was.
It's happened, but that storywas one that I wanted to share.
(49:14):
I do thank you, david, for forcoming through and sharing that.
I know it brought up a lot ofemotions, you know, just not
just from recently, but fromyour childhood as well.
I know Leon.
I know he brought up a lot ofemotions in you as well.
I'm trying to keep it together,man, because none of that stuff
.
People hear it and most of usgo through life acting like
(49:35):
we're not faced by it, butpsychologically there's so much
trauma that we have to put upwith and deal with and even now,
when it comes down to theseneighbors.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Man, I pity these people, bro, I know I'm I have
not always been like this, but Iknow, I know I'm not a fucked
up dude.
I could.
I could still watch, just likeyesterday.
I'm watching some show.
They call them I guess theycall people like me empaths I
can watch a movie.
Man, I'll be sitting up therecrying, bro, I can feel the pain
.
I can feel everybody's pain.
(50:04):
I've always been a person whocan feel everybody's pain and
I've always been a person whocan feel everybody's pain.
And then I always used to think, damn, I used to really think
that I was a fucked up dude.
I did everything in my power totry not to become my father bro,
fighting them demons for years,even when they come down on my
own sons.
That's the biggest war I'vebeen dealing with, trying to
make it my business not tobecome like this man and got to
(50:27):
a point where I was actuallyabout to become him, and that's
when I met pakka khan and hestarted teaching me how to pick
my, choose my battles, how towalk away from certain
situations.
You already know who you are.
You know the power and theskill and the talent you possess
.
You ain't got nothing to proveme being who I am.
People, since I've been livingdown here in the south, they
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poke the bear.
They want to make that niggacome out, dude.
They really want to bejustified.
Oh, look at him.
There it is.
You're saying yeah, and Irefuse to give that to them.
That's right, it's your power.
I'm saying I refuse to.
That's why, even with thiswhole situation, with this
showdown in sharpsburg, normallyI carry every day.
You know what torments me morethan any of this mess that
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happened up there is the factthat I carry every day.
And this one particular daywhen dude threatened my life and
shot at me when my back turned,that's what plays in my mind.
What would had happened if Iwould have carried you?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
probably killed him.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It wasn't, no, probably any.
He would have been dead.
I would have heard, and youwould have been dead, and I
would have heard that gunshotand I would have drawn turned
and I would have tapped him up,yeah, and that he would have
made me a killer.
That's right.
That's.
The one thing that plays in mymind is the fact that I thank
God I was not carrying, and wasnot put in a position where I
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was forced to take a life.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You just said a little while ago you said you're
not a fucked up dude, and whatI'm hearing.
You talked about empathy andthen your power to connect to
people emotionally and feeltheir pain.
And I think there's way more tonot just I'm not a fucked up
dude, and I think there's waymore to not just I'm not a
fucked up dude.
It speaks to the goodness inyour heart, to where the concern
for you right now is not somuch anything other than what he
(52:15):
would have made you become,because it's something you're
trying to get away from eventhough it would have been
justified Because I got to tellyou.
I don't think I would have feltbad about it personally.
So that's just me.
But then again, we fightdifferent demons.
Right, we've all had ourbattles and we fight different
demons every single day.
Again, I do want to thank youfor sharing your story, man.
We've got more than enough here.
But to end on a lighter note,right, because we need to
(52:39):
breathe.
We're going to need todecompress from this man.
I'm telling you we are going togo back to Leon who who lost
the coin toys a little earliertoday and we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
You got them cameras.
I want to replay the cointhat's a good one, yeah because
we just decided.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You know what I was.
The whole time he was talking,the whole time I was like I
never realized.
I talked to david several timesbefore, right, I never realized
how much he sounds like denzel.
He could easily, easily do animpression, but it's not his
turn, it's yours, bro.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Ah, there we go.
I think it should be Cat.
Leave us I think it needs to beCat Williams.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Can you do?
Cat Williams, I give it my bestGive it your best Cat Williams
impression.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Take us out, Leon.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts.
Thank you so much for listening, and we'll catch you next week
when we share conversationsdirectly from the barbershop.
Manhood Matters and we're out.
(53:44):
Let's go baby.
Yo, you funny as hell.
Good job, bro, that was a goodtry.
Manhood matters and we're out,let's go baby.
Good job, bro, that was a goodtry.
So he's just standing there looking up at me, looking
at Adam's apple that's howshort this dude is.
So I turn around and I walkaway.
I'm about 15 feet or more andthen I hear and you will be dead
.
And he fired at me.
Oh, so basically what hethought was going to happen was
he did these little slow matrixhand gestures.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So you could hit him.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thinking that I would just be impulsive, that I would
be reactionary, that he'll moveand I would strike him, and
that he would have a reason toshoot me.
Oh, you would have had me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm saying I would have fallen for that shit.
I'm going to kick you in yourchest.
I'm saying so.
You would have shot me.
There is a not so small city,about 30 minutes away from
downtown Atlanta, calledSharpsburg.
Most of the people that I'vemet there are wholesome, decent
human beings, but the storiesyou're about to hear will
(00:51):
transport you back to America inthe 1950s.
Our guest today is Dr DavidWare, who is a transplant from
New York.
His life has been threatened,he has been harassed, stalked,
and all this in 2025.
One of his neighbors even setup a karaoke machine so he can
(01:14):
sing racially charged lyrics inorder to get a reaction out of
David.
You will hear a short clip ofthis nonsense, but I must
apologize for the audio quality,since we are pulling it from
David's surveillance cameras.
This is one episode whereyou'll need to stay through the
(01:54):
very end.
Welcome to man show, david.
What's going on, brother?
How are you so glad you're here, brother?
Welcome back, leon.
Thank you, david.
Why don't you just take us tothe beginning, man?
So first of all, I want tointroduce the city of Sharpsburg
, georgia.
Where is it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It falls right between Peachtree City and
Noonan.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
People picture Atlanta and they hear Sharpsburg
Sounds like it's 150 miles away.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, not at all.
It's about 28 to 38 miles southof the Atlanta International
Hartfield.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Airport Gotcha.
So I mean from your house todowntown Atlanta.
You're there in about 30minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
About there, 30, 38 minutes, so you're not that far
out.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I just want to make sure that people understand this
is not some 40 days and 40nights to get to some random
little hick town somewhere.
So take us to the beginning.
Man, when did you move there?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I reached out to this Korean sister that I'm real
cool with who's a realtor and Itold her I was like, look, get
me as close as you can possiblyget me to Peachtree City.
I didn't want to live inPeachtree City because that's
Fayette County and in FayetteCounty they don't care if you
got 50 or 150 acres of land, youonly can have three dogs.
And I have more than three dogs.
(03:04):
I supplement my income with dogbreeding as a hobby.
So I ended up finding thishouse in Sharpsburg and it was
perfect because I told I said Iain't want no HOA, I wanted to
be as close to Peachtree City aspossible and when you pulled up
the mapping system on GoogleMaps, my house was right
underneath the P in PeachtreeCity.
That that's how close, it wasin proximity.
(03:26):
So when I first go to see thishouse, it was a Southern
Caucasian gentleman outside.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what I'm saying he's really kind of with
the descriptions.
Yeah, it was a SouthernCaucasian gentleman, southern
Caucasian gentleman outside.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, it was a real nice neighborhood, real nice.
As I was coming in, I seencolor.
Yeah, you know, it's a realnice neighborhood, real nice,
you know, as I was coming in Iseen color, you know made me
feel a little better.
I got out and he was like howyou doing?
Young man you interested in myhouse.
I said what are you asking?
$358,000.
So that should have been yourfirst red flag, because normally
(04:05):
the seller is not present whena real estate agent shows the
house.
Oh yeah, but nobody wasn'tshowing it yet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This was me going there just to see it on my own,
just check it out okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I told him it was the least amount of money you'd be
willing to accept.
He said for you 350.
He said so you interested?
I said no, possibly.
So I can kind of feel that hewas highballing me.
So I turned around, I I got allthe information reached out to
my attorney and told him to do aprivate purchase.
My lawyer emailed him.
I guess he saw the email andsaw a white face on the email
(04:32):
and accepted the low ball.
We thinking that you know this,will you know?
You start low and you go high.
How low was the low ball man?
Like $289,000, $290,000.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So he was going to get you for $60,000 more because
you was black when you came in.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, pretty much.
My lawyer was like look, man,go ahead and handle your
business, I'll set everything up.
Your credit is stellar.
You know you'll be in there ina month and a half.
So he finally contacted me andwas like, yeah, she's yours.
You can go over there and meetwith the owner on Saturday.
I said okay, 12 o'clock.
(05:07):
He's going to give you ahandbook and some keys and a
little tour of the property.
Not a problem, I show up as I'mpulling up to the house and I
get out.
He goes hey, I remember you,but as you can see, she's old.
I said yeah, yeah, I know.
He said, yeah, I'm waiting forthe new owner right now.
Then me and my wife going toFlorida.
I said, yeah, yeah, I know.
He said what do you mean?
(05:27):
you know, you keep saying youknow, what do you know?
I said.
I know.
I said because I'm the newowner.
How are you the new owner?
I told you I wouldn't accept noless than $350,000 for my own.
You did.
And then, in his own voice, Isaid but you told my attorney
that you would gladly accept twohundred ninety eight thousand.
(05:47):
So he turned, beet red in theface, dropped the book on the
fold up chair, dropped his ringof keys on the fold up chair,
gripped himself and switched off.
And I was like, hey, where areyou going?
Does this mean I don't get thetour?
And he just jumped in his carand bounced, so I was happy to
get the house.
I have like a photographicmemory the very first time I
(06:08):
came to see the house there wasa tree in alignment with the
driveway and I could swear thattree was sitting at 12 o'clock.
Now the tree was sitting at 1o'clock.
The last house had trees on theincline.
Every time it rained the groundwas receding.
You know what I'm saying.
So it was like you know, inGeorgia trees tumble over all
(06:30):
the time, coming straight out ofthe root base.
So that was like unnerving.
Still couldn't ignore this treesituation, but I let it go.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, because I'm dying to know where this is
going.
How do you get a tree from 12to 1?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But go ahead Because, as it rains, the ground was
softening, so it was leaning.
It was leaning, it started tolean.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh, because I'm still like did the whole tree move
like real fast?
Yeah, exactly, I'm trying tofigure it started moving, oh,
wow.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I turned around now and I order a dumpster
Because I got a whole bunch ofit.
I said, before I start unload,unloading this stuff in the
house, let me get this dumpster.
And it's a bunch of stuff onthe property that I didn't want.
So we started cleaning out theattic, cleaning out the basement
garages and everything, becausethese people were old, they
were hoarders, they wasn'thoarder hoarders.
But you know he held on to allthe old tile that was left.
(07:17):
You know they hold on to.
They held on to all the extrasum roof and shingles, stuff for
the deck, all that kind of stuff.
Maybe three weeks to a monthlater I'm inside the house and
the whole house shook.
I ran outside on the deck and,oh and behold, that tree fell.
(07:37):
That tree hit one tree, the twotrees hit a third tree and all
three trees hit the guy's sheddemolished it.
Your neighbor's guy's sheddemolished it.
Your neighbor's shed.
Yeah, okay, yeah, demolished it.
The guy to the left of me, ifI'm standing in the doorway, so
I'm standing out there like wow,what a way to make an intro.
You know, just moved into thisneighborhood.
I noticed quickly, while I'mstanding on the deck looking,
(08:00):
he's standing in the middle ofhis backyard looking.
So I said, hey, who'sresponsible for that?
And he says I don't know.
I said, well, I'll call myinsurance company.
He said, yeah, I'll do the same.
Turn around insurance companysays well, you know, if any of
those trees were dead and youneglected to recognize the fact
that they were dead, then you'reliable.
(08:20):
If them trees are healthy andthey fell on their own, it's an
act of God.
Reliable.
If them trees are healthy andthey fell on their own, it's an
act of God.
They sent somebody out thattook some plugs out of each of
the trees, found out all thetrees were healthy.
Okay, so it was ruled an act ofGod.
This guy being the pettyindividual, small minded
individual that he is, insteadof him just coming to me like
listen, neighbor, I got athousand dollar deductible.
(08:43):
Can you throw me a few dollarson it?
I have everything removed.
But at a later date I found outhe was supposed to have
everything removed anyway.
You turn around.
He had insurance.
Justice came out there andthat's what they did.
They looked at three trees andhis shed.
They cut a check for all ofthat, right?
Well, this guy's so petty thatwhen the tree company shows up,
(09:03):
he cuts all three of the treesin half on the property line.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So the trees that fell on his side.
He took care of the other halfof the tree you had to take care
of.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So he had this guy.
I said hey.
I said to the tree guy hey,what's going on?
He was like psh.
He gestured to this guy.
I said um, because theinsurance company paid for the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
The insurance company had paid for the whole thing.
For me Correct?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
He turned around and told them to cut it right on the
property line.
So they removed everything onhis property and left everything
that was on my property.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, that's a dickhead.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So I also found myself one day having my first
Karen experience.
I walk out to the mailbox.
I didn't see nobody, to theright, left, nowhere.
I'm looking down at the mailand I turn around and I hear oh,
you must be Mr Ware.
I said I am who's asking?
She said my name is Gail.
You must be the one who shystedand such and such out of their
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home.
Shysted.
I said I didn't shyst, scam,con anyone.
An offer was made, an offer wasaccepted and I am now the new
owner.
So you say.
I said well, you know what?
Let's try it like this For theremainder of the time that I'm
here in black and breathing andyou are here.
I said you don't have to worryabout anything that takes place
(10:19):
with me in this property becauseyou can stay the F out of my
business.
So she was like huh.
So she switched off.
I said here we go First Karen.
After the he did the pettinesswith cutting a tree on the
property line.
I ordered the dumpster but Igot an audience Neighbors to the
left, neighbors to the right,neighbors, directly across the
(10:39):
street.
Everybody's looking at thistruck back the dumpster down the
driveway.
So I was like well, well youknow, some people entertain, you
know, very easily entertained.
Yeah, three days in on thedumpster, hey, mr dave, I mean,
somebody called me.
I look up this dude next door.
You know the tree, the tree guy.
Um, I see you got yourself adumpster there.
(11:00):
Yeah, well, I would like toknow, can I put a few things in
your dumpster?
Now?
You know, first thought processwas hell, two f's.
No, I just can't be that petty.
You know I'm saying so.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I said to myself leon's over here like having a
damn mini stroke you all right,brother?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
no because my reaction was it would have been
his first one.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, I mean it was the reasonwhy it's costing me to have this
dumpster is because you werepetty, but now you want to throw
something in it, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So me, I always try to be the bigger person.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So I say to him I'm working on that and I know it's
Sunday, but yeah, I walk.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So I gesture for dude to come over.
I I said, sir, let me explainsomething to you.
I don't have a problem with youputting anything in that
dumpster, but you need to knowahead of time that anything that
you put in that dumpster youwill contribute to the cost of
that dumpster.
Are we clear?
He was like, oh yes, mostdefinitely.
(11:57):
I started waiting for him toput something in the dumpster.
He would never put anything inthe dumpster when I was around.
So I turn around, I leave, gorun some errands and I come back
.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
And I see why when I come back you know we got like
two hot water heaters, an olddresser you know what I'm saying
Three tires, so obviously he'sgot some help with putting stuff
in there.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Put a bicycle he had a grandson over there that was
in his early twenties, you knowput an old bicycle in there and
about four or five, maybe sixbags of trash, 55 gallon joints.
So me, being a proactiveindividual that I am, I take out
my cell phone, I took a pictureand I sent it to the dumpster
company and I said, if I was tohave this, this picked up and
this only, how much would itcost?
(12:39):
It was like 150, 180.
So I go looking for dude.
I can't find him.
He ducking me, take me threedays to find him.
So I finally roll up on him andhe's all startled.
I said, hey, what's going on,neighbor?
He said, hey, what's going on,what can I do for you?
I said, what can you do for me?
I said I've been trying to seekyou out to get that bread, that
money, your financialcontribution to the dumpster.
(13:02):
Oh, I don't remember us havingthat discussion.
You don't remember us havingthat discussion.
I said, bro, I'm from New YorkCity, I'm from up top Jersey,
new York, and I know I made itcrystal clear that you was going
to contribute to the cost.
He says he has a hearingimpediment.
He don't remember thatconversation.
But how much you looking foranyway, all of what you put in
(13:23):
there?
Solely $150 to $180.
Well, I don't have $150 or $180and I ain't taking all that
stuff out of that dumpster.
Me and my grandson went throughhell putting all that stuff in
the dumpster.
I said, oh, you don't have themoney and you ain't going to
take nothing out of the dumpster, not a problem.
I missed the gadget.
I got a small, medium, largeand extra large hand truck.
(13:45):
I guess he didn't think I would, but I strapped that extra
large hand truck up three timesand drug all that stuff up the
driveway and across the propertyline and put it in the middle
of his driveway.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's a lot of work, that is so exhausting just
listening to him that would havebeen me.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, but I didn't care.
I'd have done the same thing.
I didn't care, because I'm, youknow, I can be king pitch.
Yeah, I didn't care I didn'tcare.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
He just needed to learn man.
Yeah, first of all, I alreadywent against my own judgment by
allowing him to put anything inthere.
I mean, I really wanted to justhurt his feelings the first
time, like you, had the audacityto come in my face and ask me
for anything.
After that petty nonsense.
Now, when he came home and sawthis, oh, he was hotter than
fish grease, as they say.
You know what I'm saying.
(14:28):
He was hot, he was out there onhis cell phone talking loud,
he's marching, he's mad and he'swalking around and stuff.
It sat there for about three24-hour periods.
They didn't move it to like thefourth day and that was it
right there, bro, you know whatI'm saying.
Like what they say, what isunderstood does not need to be
explained.
It was nothing to talk about.
We done so.
Now I love dogs, got my dogsrunning my property.
(14:51):
Every time my dogs run myproperty, old boy, we talking
about, you know, the dumpstercalls animal control.
Okay, I got a little wellnessoffice in my home that I work
periodically, periodically whenI'm, you know, not on my job
clock and when I have clientscome over.
His compadre, which is amexican gentleman who lives
directly across the street fromme.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Every time clients come over he calls the sheriff's
department and reports us forillegal parking because they're
parking in front of your house,on the street they're parking in
front of street.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So every time animal animal is that in fact illegal?
No, animal control came outnine times, about seven to nine
times.
Didn't find anything wrong, noinfractions, no, nothing Matter
of fact.
Even two out of the nine timesthey knew.
I didn't know they was coming,so I just let them have a tour
of my house and how I keep mydogs and everything, and that
won me a lot of brownie pointswith them.
(15:42):
Because he's like man.
The man was transparent.
He know he's coming.
Let's see his dogs all healthy.
You feed him top shelf.
His dogs eat better than we do.
So I'm due across the street.
Come to find out.
He's the compadre to do nextdoor, or at least getting cool
behind me.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Enemy of my enemy is my friend type situation.
There you go, I was going tosay so the Hispanic, do forget,
he's a brown person.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh yeah, there you go .
I was noticed, is very, verytrue.
A lot of Hispanics that I'vepersonally dealt with in the
corporate world or in just inlife in general.
When it serves them to leanmore on the dark side, they will
I mean, they'll sit here anddog the white dude and talk to
me about you know these whitepeople, blah, blah.
But the second they get favorwith the white person, they will
do everything in their power tosee if there is a way they can,
in their mind, elevate to thatstatus.
There's no elevation there, butin their mind it's like, if I
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can be close to this person, Iwill gang up on this other
brother right here, because itserves their purpose, because
they need to be accepted exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And um, the dude next , the, the Mexican gentleman
across the street.
He definitely was of a warpedmentality because he used to
brag about the fact that he hadwhite people cleaning his house.
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingyeah, but I have noticed all my
life that you have certaingroups of Latino Hispanics who
always brown those up againstwhite people because they want
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to be white badly, ground thoseup against white people because
they want to be white badly.
And things between me and theMexican gentleman escalated
because one day he purposelyparked his pickup truck directly
across from my driveway,meaning if somebody's coming to
pull in the driveway Back out,they can't get out.
If they're trying to pull inthe driveway, it's hard to get
in the driveway.
I mean they can do it, but theygot to finagle because he's
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right across from the drivewayand if somebody's backing out
it's funny, they got to finagle.
So I was having I have a 501c3nonprofit organization that's
registered with the UnitedNations called Humanities Hope
for Healing.
So I was having a HumanitiesHope for Healing meeting and we
had cars everywhere and that'snothing new in the neighborhood.
Everybody has these littlecookouts and little gatherings
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and they got cars parkedeverywhere.
Yeah, so dude sees all thesecars parked over on my side of
the street, got, he has thebiggest driveway in the
neighborhood, one of them big,giant horseshoe driveways and
then still got another drivewayto go to a garage to another
section so you got plenty ofparking.
He comes down off his propertyand parks his Toyota pickup
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directly across from my driveway.
A Uber Eats vehicle was backingout.
It was a Mini Cooper.
The car was so small that itbacked into his tire.
It never even touched the bodyof the vehicle and the person
barely nudged it, pulled up offit and he left.
Well, at a later date he musthave checked his video cameras
and seen that his vehicle washit in spite of the fact that
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there was no visible damage.
He went on the warpath.
He's running around outside infront of his house talking trash
about.
Somebody hit his vehicle, so mydoorbell rings and it's the
wife.
I made a beeline straight outthe front door across my lawn
and I walked up to him andcaught him off guard.
He turned around and saw achest, looked up hey man, you're
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standing too close to me and Isaid listen, bro, I hear that
there is an issue.
Yeah, there's an issue.
Somebody hit my truck.
Show me your truck, bro.
Show me where your truck gothit at.
Right here.
Give me these little light handgestures Right here.
Give me these little light handgestures right here.
Right here, show me the damageright here, right here, what?
There's no visible damage.
I'm not going to go out hereand be playing private
investigator to run down asituation that there's no,
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there's no visible damage.
And I said next time you youknow it's a problem, come to me,
don't send your wife.
He ain't like that at all.
Next thing, you know, I go awayon business for three days.
You know I make these littleholistic health wellness bundles
and my clients come to thehouse to pick the bundles up and
my kids was giving them to himin spite of the fact that I'm
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not there.
So as clients were pulling up,coming to the house getting
bundles, everybody who had ablack car he was running down on
them.
Well, he messed up.
One of the individuals he randown was a Fulton County
sheriff's wife and she was lividand then she got one of those
husbands that the sun rises andsets on her.
He's the kind of dude that eventell you if my wife is in your
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company, you're responsible formy wife.
So she's all upset and she'stalking about how she's going to
call her husband and I'm likeplease, let's not do this.
So I go over there and I justgo beast mode on dude, but I'm
monotone with it.
I said yo man, child, youreally need to grow up.
This last woman you didn't ranup on I said you didn't ran up
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on.
I said it's not likeeverybody's not somebody, but
this woman is somebody, somebody.
And the somebody is he's aFulton County sheriff, fulton
County Sheriff.
And I said, dude, we'llliterally bro, come up here from
Fulton County and skull F youover his wife.
After that, all these policecoming to the house.
So now that we got severalanimal control calls, it's a lot
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of harassment, bro, yeah a lotof harassment.
So now one day they ended upcalling both.
Now I'm standing at the end ofmy driveway with animal control
and the Sheriff's Department andwe have a conversation we the
three of us and they turn aroundand go to these two gentlemen
and let them know at this pointyou're harassing mr, where
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you're trying to weaponize usagainst him.
We now see it.
It's recognized and noted.
Yeah, you call us over hereagain and it's a fictitious
situation again.
Fill out a report in thepetition towards the court of
harassment against the two ofy'all well, my problem or
question is is that them beingcalled that many times?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
those are false police reports.
Why is there no charges againsthim or?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
anything like that exactly.
That definitely crossed my mindmultiple times.
But I'll let them do theirthing.
I'll'll let them cook.
Now both of them decide to goget dogs and weaponize the dogs.
At this point now my spiritsays go out and buy a
surveillance system.
So I buy the best one.
I have the company come outprofessionally install it and
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everything.
I mean this thing got all thebells and whistles Soon as the
system goes up.
I come out my house one day andthere's a dog standing in front
of my door growling at me.
I chased the dog off.
Over the next couple of daysdog is in this yard growling at
different family members.
So I walked right up to theproperty line.
I said let me speak to you fora minute.
He was like what do you want?
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I said look, I don't knowwhat's up with you and this dog.
But I noticed that y'all wentinto some shelter somewhere and
got some dog.
This dog ain't even no puppy.
Nobody don't know this dog.
This dog is growling at my kids, growling at me.
Keep this dog on your side ofthe property, sounds reasonable.
I'm saying keep your dog off myproperty.
Well, you, you don't want, wantto be talking.
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You're saying your dogs be allover the place.
I said, look, I'm not gonna goback and forth with you.
This is a courtesy.
If I catch that dog on myproperty again, I'm gonna make
him disappear.
So at this time the wife didn'tgot out the hook, she didn't
pull it in the driveway whilewe're talking.
She gets out.
She's hearing the conversation.
She act like she wants smoke.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
She trying to get to me what you mean trying to get
to you like she want to fight noway.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, like when I said to them I catch the dog on
my property again, I'm gonnamake it disappear yeah she's.
I wish you would put your handson my dog, touch my dog, boom,
boom.
I'm like she.
I said man, cut her loose, lether go.
I said I understand that youwear the pants over there.
I see you doing all the workand she working every day.
I see her leaving.
I said but let me explainsomething to you.
I'm saying you run up on meacting like a man.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm gonna treat you like a man and that's for any
man, but this is an audio, sothere's no visualization.
How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I'm almost six eight and you're in good shape so yeah
, it ain't six, eight, in fact,this is a six eight brother in
great shape right and she wantsto run up on you, right, exactly
she and she about she, aboutfive, three, yeah, about 200
pounds.
Oh my god, I'm saying so.
They took what I said seriousbecause immediately they put a,
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they installed electric fenceelectric yeah, oh for the dog,
dog okay jesus christ, I boughtthey immediately installed
electric fence like one of thoseinvisible fences.
Yeah.
So the dog?
The dog knows he get a littleshock.
He come too close to theproperty.
So now the dog is over there.
So now the Mexican gentlemanacross the street, he goes and
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purchase a German shepherd,running all over the place.
Wow, you know, they ain't getthe dog no kind of training.
And as the dog gets bigger he'sexploring his horizons.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
So let me ask you a question.
So is your property fenced in?
No, my property's not fenced in.
It's not fenced in.
Your neighbor's property is notfenced in?
Nope, and the one across thestreet ain't fenced in.
But your dogs are smart enoughto stay within your property
Exactly my dogs.
They own my property, but theirdogs run wild.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, the one don't run wild no more because they
put an electric fence on him.
You would think they would haveshared that information with
their friend across the streetbecause this situation started
escalating.
So now this German Shepherd isreally getting bucked.
He chasing folks.
I got video on my phone rightnow.
He chasing Instacart guy Costme a client.
I had a client that I had toreimburse $1,900 to, and when
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she called me for theappointment she heard a dog bark
and she said something about.
She got this phobia of dogs.
She's scared to death Dogs.
Please.
You know, put your dogs up whenI come, I told you you ain't
got to worry about it, you ain'tgoing to see no dogs.
Oh and behold, she comes to myhouse in an Uber.
She comes in and gets herservice.
Everything's explained to her.
She paid for full.
As she's leaving my house, theGerman shepherd runs across the
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street onto my property, slidesup behind her, chases her into
the Uber.
She's slipping and falls rightinto the Uber.
She ain't hurt herself, but sheliterally ran right into the
Uber.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, even without a phobia.
It's a German shepherd lookingat you, right?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And she's hollering and screaming and she's flipping
, and she's flopping.
She gets in the car and she'sgone, yeah, so next thing, you
know she ain't even out thesubdivision yet and she's
blowing up my phone.
David, I told you I don't dodogs, and this and this and this
and this and the third.
I said I'm sorry that thathappened to you.
I saw everything on the camera.
That's not my dog.
Well, I'm being honest, youknow I'm saying, you know my
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head is hurting, I know mypressure is up right now, and
this and this and that and that.
Can you please cash out me backmy money in full?
Yeah, I'm pissed.
So the situation stillcontinues to escalate.
I'm out there one day with thekids and the German Shepherd
runs from their yard to theNavy's yard next door and I
didn't know the dog was overthere.
So the dog comes blindsides us,comes from the left, runs
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across and snaps at one of thechildren Like he's trying to
grab the child, to run away withthe child.
I take everybody into the houseand then I'm hearing my sensor
going off on my security system.
So I checked the cameras.
The dog is on my property.
He's running around on myproperty.
So I go to the back porch, myback deck, so I bust at him,
misses him, him.
But he's scared and he runs outof my yard like his tail is on
fire were you actually trying toget him or you just wanted to
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shoot in this direction?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was trying to get him.
I was high, the dog, literallythe dog.
We got the dog on camera,literally his mouth opening wide
trying to grab my littlecousin's daughter.
Yeah, I'm saying teeth flaring.
We got it all on video.
So, yeah, I was trying tocapture him.
I miss him.
He goes running off the yard.
I mean tearing.
First of all, as soon as theshot goes off, everybody's
scattering around theneighborhood.
And then, while you'rescattering, everybody's looking,
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trying to figure out what'sgoing on.
You see this dog exiting myproperty with quickness, is
hollering and screaming oh myGod, such and such.
I actually thought the dog wasrunning like that because he had
been shot.
And everybody's so concernedabout the dog, trying to catch
up to the dog, wanting to see ifthe dog's okay, yada, yada,
yada.
So my doorbell rings.
I got like seven sheriffs infront of my house.
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What's all the shooting about?
I said I don't recall callingy'all about any shooting.
No, the Navy said you're outhere shooting at the dog.
I said really, I'm not shootingat anything.
How can I help you?
So they come at me being youknow being accusatory.
I said are you coming over hereto investigate?
Are you coming over here beingaccusatory.
I said because if you want tocome and investigate, ask some
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questions, cool, Come over herebeing accusatory.
Then that's where I stop and mylawyer begins.
Oh, you got an attorney.
Who's your attorney?
Then I reach in my pocket and Isay you know, take your pick,
Pull out two cards.
So while they're talking to me,I didn't even know until I
checked the video cameras, thatthree police officers was around
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the back.
They didn't give thempermission to be walking around
on my property, but they wentback there and seen a couple of
my big dogs so they stayed atthe outskirts of my property.
So they ended up going abouttheir business.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Now, what is that?
Fayette County, that's Coweta,oh Coweta.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, it's Coweta County.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Even the name says chills down your spine.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I know the county well, coweta County.
Yeah, I know the county.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So after this incident, everything escalates
to hand gestures and meanmugging and petty epithets, name
calling and all this kind ofstuff.
I could care less.
Say whatever you want to say.
Spell my name right.
They're trying to escalate thesituation to a physical.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
So that you could get arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Everything they tried to do to get you arrested
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So but they don't know how to escalate because
name calling doesn't escalate tophysical.
You want to escalate thephysical, you've got to get
physical.
So one day I come into mygarage and hit the garage door
and the garage door goes up.
So as the garage door goes up,the dog next door with the
electric fence comes runningstraight up to the property line
barking refusiously at me.
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So I said shut up, get out ofhere, you cur.
And then dude sticks his headoff the porch because I drive,
our garages face one another.
So I see a head peek off theporch.
He looks, he comes down thesteps, walks up to the property
line and say what you say to mydog.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What you say to my dog.
What you say to my dog, what?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
you say to my dog because you hurt his feelings,
right?
I said, man, get your raggedyold ass out of here, you don't
want no problems.
He said keep it up.
Keep it up and smack the shitout you and put you in your
place.
I said what?
And pointed gesture to thestreet man, ain't nothing but
room, time and opportunity.
So we I go straight to thestreet.
I didn't notice until after Ichecked the footage, what he was
doing prior to going to thestreet.
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But we make it down to thestreet and I'm standing there
and he makes these two matrixhand gestures in my face real
slow.
He goes and waves his hand inmy face.
So I back up.
He goes and does it a secondtime.
I back up.
I said dude, look, stop playingwith me.
You already know if you putyour hands on me I'm going to
put you in a box.
So he's just standing therelooking up at me, looking at
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Adam's apple that's how shortthis dude is.
So I turn around and I walkaway.
I'm about 15 feet or more andthen I hear and you will be dead
.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
And he fired at me.
Oh, he fired at me, so that'swhat he went to do.
When you went to the street, hewas getting a gun.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So basically what he thought was going to happen was
he did these little slow matrixhand gestures so you could hit
him, thinking that I would justbe impulsive, that I would be
reactionary, that he'll move andI would strike him, and then he
would have a reason have had me.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm saying I would have fallen for that shit.
I'm going to kick you in yourchest.
I'm saying so you would haveshot me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
So as soon as he fires the gun, his compadre, the
Mexican, hears it the gunshot.
So you don't get hit.
No, I don't get hit.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So he wasn't trying to kill you.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
He was trying to scare you, he to intimidate.
I guess he thought I was goingto be ducking and running.
I'm like dude, I'm from NewYork.
I said we don't do warningsaround here, so I'm still
standing there.
So the Mexican comes marchingout immediately, comes marching
out right up to me, sticks hishands in my face.
I smack his hand down and Ijump back.
He, he flexes on me.
I'm standing there unfazed.
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He turns to the white dude andsays give me the gun.
Give me the gun, I'll shoot him, I'll kill him.
Give me the gun, I'll shoot him, I'll kill him.
So dude doesn't relinquish theweapon.
So the Mexican dude balls uphis fist and then tries to
sucker, punch me, knocks myglasses off my face.
We square up in the street.
Now we fighting.
You know I got hands, so I'mcatching him.
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Well, in this melee I fractureboth of my hands and both of my
wrists.
So at this time thisestablished in his mind that
this guy got long arms, he canhit hard and all this stuff.
I don't know if he quitefigured out that I was injured,
but he definitely came to theconclusion that he could not
fight me fair.
So he rushes in and plants myfoot to the ground, like what
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I'll be doing to my sons.
My sons try to run and I'llplant their foot to the ground.
They slide out, fall down, andI got them.
And when he plants my foot tothe ground as I'm trying to move
back, I slowly drift to theground.
Soon as my butt touches theground, he rushes in, punches me
in the mouth.
He sees I'm totally unfazed.
So he rushes in one more timeand knees me in the top of the
head.
So when he needs me, the top ofthe head.
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I never got hit in top of thehead before, very disoriented.
Every time I stand up, I'mfalling, I stand up, I'm falling
, I stand up.
So I stand up and fall.
About three times.
The third time he puts his lefthand on my right shoulder and
says stay down, diablo negro,stay down, diablo negro, I'll
kill you, I'll kill you, I'llkill you.
Stay down, diablo Negro.
So then the neighbor to theright, who's the air marshal?
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He comes out.
What the hell is going on?
Stop this madness, or whateverhe was saying.
So Steve is a neutral party.
He knows both, but he's notinvolved.
The Mexican gentleman goes up tothe white gentleman, takes the
gun out and hit the whitegentleman's hand, goes into the
white gentleman's house andhides the weapon.
You know what I'm saying.
Then here comes Coweta.
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They fill up the county yeah,they come in there hard and fast
, yeah.
So they turn around, they walkup to him where's the gun?
So evidently somebody must havereported something, because as
soon as the police got out, theydidn't come to me and ask for
no gun.
They walked straight up to himand said where the gun at he's
like, what gun he's like.
Look, we can get CID out hereand get a warrant.
Well, we all standing out therefrom 6 o'clock in the evening
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to 1130 at night before theymade the first arrest.
They arrested the whitegentleman Because he shot at you
.
Yeah, cid came in.
They go in there.
They find the gun.
So they come out, they arresthim.
Then at 12 o'clock midnightthey arrest the Mexican.
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After they had viewed all thesevideos and everything, I go to
the hospital.
Both of them was in jail forabout a week.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Wow, that's surprising.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, he was in jail for about a week, a little shy
of a week, I would say aboutfive, six days.
So when the white gentlemancomes home, the judge who
arraigned him was pissed.
He told me he can't be within300 yards of Mr Ware, so dude
had to go to Delaware.
He had to leave the state andgo to Delaware to a family house
or somewhere.
Only thing I know he was gonefor four and a half months and
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he was pissed because evidentlyhe must have been costing him
money wherever he was at,because he went and got himself
an attorney.
An attorney kept trying to makean attempt to modify this
situation so he could come homeand he wouldn't do it.
The Mexican disappeared too.
Where he went, I don't know.
I didn't see him hardly at all.
Well, as soon as everybody goesto wherever they went, the
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grandson retaliates against me.
The grandson like 23, 24 yearsold.
My goddaughter and her mothercame to the house and while they
were taking groceries and stuffout of the car to come into the
back side of my house, mysensor alarms started going off.
And, mind you, it's dark, it'snighttime.
I go out on the back deck and Igot one of them moonbeam-type
flashlights.
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One of them, you know, likelight up a whole football field.
So I go out on the back deckand I don't have the flashlight
on yet, but I'm just looking andlo and behold, I turn the light
on.
Poof Dude is up in the tree Inthe tree, in the tree.
He's in the tree On yourproperty, no, on the property
line.
It's a tree Gotcha, right onthe property line.
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Dude is in the tree mounting acamera on the tree, okay,
looking at his phone as he'saligning the camera, pointing
the camera at my family members,okay.
When that sunbeam light hit him, he froze up like a raccoon.
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I'm saying like I don't see you, oh my God.
And he's just sitting there.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You can't make this shit up.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, you can't make it up, bro.
He's just on top of the ladderwith his back to me being still
not moving.
I'm like you can't see me.
You can.
The ladder, with his back to mebeing still not moving, like
you can't see me.
You can't see me.
Like he, like he, like he usinglike he, using a jedi mind
trick or something.
He finally comes down, grabsthe ladder, runs off with the
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ladder.
I call the police.
They go in, running around outthere, they catch him and arrest
him in my driveway.
No way, yeah, yeah there you gobeing put right in the police
car yeah, no, why?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
why was he?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
being arrested.
Stalking, oh stalking andharassment.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
They arrested him, so they the family's already been
warned for harassment.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I thought was just the grandfather, so the whole
family.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Oh yeah, well, basically the all of them
complicit.
Yeah, they want a w so bad theytaking L's left and right.
And now here comes the Mexicanand the German shepherd again.
I took him back and forth tocourt, so much to the point that
the situation became soegregious they locked him up for
a week and gave him a $1,000fine for the dog.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, that's serious Now mind you.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
He already out on bail for assaulting battery on
me.
So everybody breaks down likehe's going to the electric chair
.
Bro, you would think that hewas going to the electric chair.
He's going.
You know what I'm saying.
The way they was acting in thiscourtroom, yeah, bro, I'm
sitting there looking at thesepeople like are you for real?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, to them it's a psychological loss more than
anything.
A week in jail sucks for anydamn body, right, but when you
think about it, I think for themit's like how dare you Exactly?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So he gets locked up.
He got paid a $1,000 fine.
As soon as he comes out of jailhe comes back to the house one
time and he disappears.
I literally haven't seen himback over there since July, the
8th of last year.
Really, yeah, he hasn't beenhome.
He comes to court Okay of lastyear.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Really yeah, he hasn't been home.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
He comes to court, okay, but he don't live over
there no more.
I think she didn't kick themout.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You're dealing with all this stuff.
It's been going on for what?
Two years, three years.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, I've been living there five years.
They've been harassing me forthree, yeah, and I've been
taking them in and out of courtfor a little video of the whole
karaoke incident.
Tell us about that, right?
So, um, the grandson bails outand he's pissed.
You know he was already callinghimself trying to retaliate
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against me because hisgrandfather got locked up and
couldn't come back to the houseanything for, like I would say,
about a week and a half, twoweeks.
Every day he'd see me come homeoutside, he'd get on this
karaoke machine and make these,um, racial epithets and all
these sexual vulgarities.
I mean, it gets worse than what?
Than the audio than you have?
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And only thing I did is justcontinue to just keep
documenting, documenting,documenting, documenting.
One day situation really getsout of hand.
My god, sister was over therewith her daughter, it was in.
It was like four or five women,me and my son, we all in the
backyard and the neighbors wereall huddled up in the driveway
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In your driveway, no, in theirdriveway.
And as we driving up mydriveway to get ready to leave,
I looked to the left andsomebody said some racial
nonsense.
Somebody said some racialnonsense and I immediately hit
the brake through the car intopark and jumped out and told him
keep on pressing.
I said you can have all theproblems you want to have with
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me all day long.
Now y'all fucking with myfamily.
I said keep them fucking aroundand I got something for your
asses.
You white niggas.
That white nigga shit hit themand that was it.
Everybody leaned back.
Brother, it was all messed up.
I know it was effective becauseyou know how I know it was
effective.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Three days later had that eight foot fence up so I
want to play the audio of whatyou sent me, okay, and then I
want us to hear it, because thisis so, set this up for us
before I play it like I said,the grandson, every day he seen
me outside he would get hiskaraoke machine and basically,
(40:08):
you know, call me a monkey andso right now we're gonna listen
to it so we can get both ourreactions to it.
You're in your driveway doingsome work.
Looks like you're doing some.
It's seed spreader yeah, seedspreader.
There you go.
You're standing out there andyou can hear the audio.
So he's taking.
The karaoke speaker pointedpointing it at the right-?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
No, he just went in his garage and wheeled it out
and just stood out there infront of his garage with the
microphone in his hand.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And he was singing, so I'm singing, all right.
So there you go.
Here's what he's singing rightnow.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Me and my monkey.
I'm in a ball Monkey comesalong, me and my monkey.
Get in the car.
Me and my monkey Walkingthrough the town.
(41:01):
Me and my monkey Go on a rideUp in town.
I love you Walking through thetown with my monkey, monkey,
monkey, we will be in the monkey.
(41:34):
We will be in the monkey.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
All right.
Well, he could hold a note, butI think what's interesting here
?
David has zero reaction.
He just keeps doing what he'sdoing, right?
What are your thoughts when youhear this, Leon?
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I'm enraged because I had a similar incident to this
when I was in high school.
But that comment enrages me,that you are comparing me to an
animal.
I was 17, and I showed him whatan animal can do when they get
their hands on you.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You didn't have the maturity that he had, because
this is happening.
How old are you now?
I'm 57.
Holy shit, dude.
I thought you were like 45.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
No, I'm 57.
But that's what's up.
Racism is something that I'vedealt with in my youth, but my
father was the type of personthat he craved the white
lifestyle.
You know, saying anything thatyou know.
He was the type of person thatalways think white man's ice
cubes is colder than everybodyelse's.
(42:36):
My father felt less of a manliving in the family's estate,
so he moved us to a town calledCranford, new Jersey, to a town
called Cranford, New Jersey, andin Cranford, new Jersey, they
kept the black folks at thenorth side of the town and the
south side of the town.
I didn't have a stamp on myforehead that said I was the
black with money living in themiddle of the town.
(42:58):
Most of the blacks who did havemoney lived on the north side
and most of the blacks whodidn't have money lived on the
south side, and I got caught inthe middle.
My mother would dress me to thenines and send me to school
every day and them white boyswould rip my clothes up, smack
me around.
My father put me in a cornerone day and told me that I
(43:20):
couldn't fight back.
Put me in the corner and say myben, I never catch me here by
me fighting why?
Why was that?
He was on some Jesus Christ turnthe other.
Cheek type situation, jesus gotyour back type situation.
I bet I never hear anythingabout you fighting and even a
couple of times that I got intoa couple of scuffs.
As soon as I got home, this manstripped me butt naked you know
what I'm saying beating me withstinging cords and stuff like
(43:42):
that.
You know what I'm saying,blistering up my skin and all
kinds of stuff.
Every time I'd give into alittle hiccup.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
So then, violence was okay when he inflicted it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Exactly so here it is .
I can't protect myself.
So when these little youngwhite boys in town figured out,
oh he ain't going to fight back,I got a ruptured testicle right
now from getting jumped fromwhite boys.
It got to from getting jumpedfrom white boys.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It got sick.
You can't.
Oh man, yeah, what you justheard was leon slamming down the
headphones and walking away togather himself.
Um, the conversation justbecame too painful.
At this point.
People don't understand, right?
You know, we're all in our 40sand 50s and these things come
(44:30):
back and they're still so verypainful it is, but what's even
more painful is the fact that in2024-25 you're still living.
Oh, we all are right.
I deal with this shit every day,about every one of us.
We deal with it every singleday.
I wouldn't have to think toohard to give you the latest
incident.
The reason I wanted to talkabout your story is because you
(44:51):
have so many things documented,you have so much going on, but
it's still inflicting a lot ofpain and people are hearing it
and you know people listening tothis will listen to it, and
just when we can laugh it off,we'll laugh it off.
Right, we laugh to keep fromcrying and people being
emboldened.
In this particular age and thisparticular climate, things are
getting.
We don't see them gettingbetter.
(45:11):
We see them getting worse, andto hear your stories in 2024,
2025, it's rough.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
So I'm sorry, it's all right, I had to get up and
remove myself, man.
So I grew up in Detroit becausemy dad had to leave Savannah
Georgia.
My dad was 50 when I was born,so this was 1942.
He was 19 years old and he wason a bus.
If you were in Savannah Georgiaor ever been to Savannah
(45:38):
Georgia, there's a street calledBroad Street.
Yeah, I've been there.
So Broad Street was the side oftown.
The black folks stayed on andthen I don't particularly know
what the white side of town.
The black folks stayed on andthen I don't particularly know
what the white side of town was.
So dad was on the bus cominghome.
He was attending Savannah State, which was at the time Georgia
College.
White man gets on the bus andthey ride and then they let off
(46:01):
on Broad Street and the whiteguy says, oh, I guess we in
Nickerville.
And laughs and it enraged mydad so much he stayed on the bus
.
They get to the guy's stop.
The guy gets off the bus.
He goes out the front door, ofcourse, because they sit in the
front.
Dad gets off the back becausehe sits in the back.
Bus pulls off, the guy startswalking.
My dad follows him, runs up tohim, taps him on the shoulder
(46:24):
and as soon as he turns aroundhe punches him, knocks him down
Wow, dad carried a switchblade.
Pulls out the switchblade, putsit to his neck and said I guess
you in Nickerville now.
He said I ride that bus everyday.
If I ever hear you say thosewords again, I'll kill you, Put
the knife up, turns around, runsback toward his side of town.
(46:47):
The white man gets up, runstoward his side of town, never
to see each other again.
The lucky thing is my dad gothome and him and his mother were
extremely close.
He told his mother what he did.
She immediately got him out oftown.
Yeah, that was smart.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
This is the late 40s.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
She immediately got him on a bus and sent him to
Tampa to stay with relatives.
And I'm shaking telling youthat story because I can't
imagine being told not to fightback.
Yeah, it was hard, it's insane.
My dad and my grandfather, ifany white man, black man, green
(47:27):
man, man, put his hands on youand you don't fight back.
That's a problem.
You got to do without a problem.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah, we don't take no ass whoopings in this house.
Well, if we, if we take them,it's because we ain't, because
we wasn't fighting.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Exactly.
It got to a point where it hadto end.
So this whole situation withthis showdown in sharpsburg.
I'm not a stranger to racism.
You know, I went to schooloverseas in the uk.
Same situation when thesituation got so out of hand
with the school and at the ageof 13 my mother sent me over,
you know, overseas to go toschool, and it's the same thing.
(48:03):
Now they're hating you becauseyou're american, hating you
because you're black, it'salways something yeah hating you
because you're smart enough tobe in this.
You know this young and giftedprogram type situation.
But I've always had a winningpersonality, you know.
And one thing my grandmotherand my family always taught me,
they said, as a black man, inorder to be valued you must
specialize.
So I've always gone intospecialty fields, as far as
(48:26):
employment and even being downhere in the south.
I see here in georgia how theytreat black people from georgia.
They treat different from blackpeople from up north, up north,
absolutely.
You know I'm saying you know Imoved to sharpsburg because I
wanted my children to have acool, calm, collected, quiet,
laid-back, reserved life.
(48:47):
Yeah, real good school systemsout there.
I ain't going to lie, I reallydidn't see none of this coming
man.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
No one could have.
I've been in the South since2006.
I've experienced a lot ofracism but when I heard your
story I was like that's somenext level bullshit.
I've had my life threatened.
I've had, you know, the gunspulled on me by those who were
sworn to serve and protect,didn't matter what I looked like
, what I was dressed in, whatthe environment was.
It's happened, but that storywas one that I wanted to share.
(49:14):
I do thank you, david, for forcoming through and sharing that.
I know it brought up a lot ofemotions, you know, just not
just from recently, but fromyour childhood as well.
I know Leon.
I know he brought up a lot ofemotions in you as well.
I'm trying to keep it together,man, because none of that stuff
.
People hear it and most of usgo through life acting like
(49:35):
we're not faced by it, butpsychologically there's so much
trauma that we have to put upwith and deal with and even now,
when it comes down to theseneighbors.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Man, I pity these people, bro, I know I'm I have
not always been like this, but Iknow, I know I'm not a fucked
up dude.
I could.
I could still watch, just likeyesterday.
I'm watching some show.
They call them I guess theycall people like me empaths I
can watch a movie.
Man, I'll be sitting up therecrying, bro, I can feel the pain
.
I can feel everybody's pain.
(50:04):
I've always been a person whocan feel everybody's pain and
I've always been a person whocan feel everybody's pain.
And then I always used to think, damn, I used to really think
that I was a fucked up dude.
I did everything in my power totry not to become my father bro,
fighting them demons for years,even when they come down on my
own sons.
That's the biggest war I'vebeen dealing with, trying to
make it my business not tobecome like this man and got to
(50:27):
a point where I was actuallyabout to become him, and that's
when I met pakka khan and hestarted teaching me how to pick
my, choose my battles, how towalk away from certain
situations.
You already know who you are.
You know the power and theskill and the talent you possess
.
You ain't got nothing to proveme being who I am.
People, since I've been livingdown here in the south, they
(50:47):
poke the bear.
They want to make that niggacome out, dude.
They really want to bejustified.
Oh, look at him.
There it is.
You're saying yeah, and Irefuse to give that to them.
That's right, it's your power.
I'm saying I refuse to.
That's why, even with thiswhole situation, with this
showdown in sharpsburg, normallyI carry every day.
You know what torments me morethan any of this mess that
(51:10):
happened up there is the factthat I carry every day.
And this one particular daywhen dude threatened my life and
shot at me when my back turned,that's what plays in my mind.
What would had happened if Iwould have carried you?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
probably killed him.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It wasn't, no, probably any.
He would have been dead.
I would have heard, and youwould have been dead, and I
would have heard that gunshotand I would have drawn turned
and I would have tapped him up,yeah, and that he would have
made me a killer.
That's right.
That's.
The one thing that plays in mymind is the fact that I thank
God I was not carrying, and wasnot put in a position where I
(51:52):
was forced to take a life.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You just said a little while ago you said you're
not a fucked up dude, and whatI'm hearing.
You talked about empathy andthen your power to connect to
people emotionally and feeltheir pain.
And I think there's way more tonot just I'm not a fucked up
dude, and I think there's waymore to not just I'm not a
fucked up dude.
It speaks to the goodness inyour heart, to where the concern
for you right now is not somuch anything other than what he
(52:15):
would have made you become,because it's something you're
trying to get away from eventhough it would have been
justified Because I got to tellyou.
I don't think I would have feltbad about it personally.
So that's just me.
But then again, we fightdifferent demons.
Right, we've all had ourbattles and we fight different
demons every single day.
Again, I do want to thank youfor sharing your story, man.
We've got more than enough here.
But to end on a lighter note,right, because we need to
(52:39):
breathe.
We're going to need todecompress from this man.
I'm telling you we are going togo back to Leon who who lost
the coin toys a little earliertoday and we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
You got them cameras.
I want to replay the cointhat's a good one, yeah because
we just decided.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You know what I was.
The whole time he was talking,the whole time I was like I
never realized.
I talked to david several timesbefore, right, I never realized
how much he sounds like denzel.
He could easily, easily do animpression, but it's not his
turn, it's yours, bro.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Ah, there we go.
I think it should be Cat.
Leave us I think it needs to beCat Williams.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Can you do?
Cat Williams, I give it my bestGive it your best Cat Williams
impression.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Take us out, Leon.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts.
Thank you so much for listening, and we'll catch you next week
when we share conversationsdirectly from the barbershop.
Manhood Matters and we're out.
(53:44):
Let's go baby.
Yo, you funny as hell.
Good job, bro, that was a goodtry.
Manhood matters and we're out,let's go baby.
Good job, bro, that was a goodtry.
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