Should We Use Porn to Improve Sex in Marriage? - 223 - Marriage Life and More

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Daniel Moore (00:00):
This episode covers some adult-themed
material in nature.
If you have young ones around,I'd pop in my earbuds or listen
to this when you are by yourself.
Listener.
Discretion is advised.

Michelle Moore (00:23):
Traditionally, you know, people would get
married right after, or they'dget married before they're even
18 if they worked on a farm in.
You know those older years.
But I can't imagine not havingthat intimacy with a partner day
in, day out, that I wasn'tmarried to.

I want some kind of it seems like the connection
that's actually.
He just took that yeah.

I would want that connection to know you're
mine and you're nobody else'sright.
I want to.
I just I can't fathom of oh,I'm done with you, just move out
.
And I think that's really hardwhen you have children and those
children meet a guy.
Vice versa, you know you'rebringing different people in and

(01:12):
out, and so I see that a lotwith single, you know, single
moms, and that's really hard onthe children, you know.
And so that you know I don'twant to create a generation
that's going to grow up that'slike this is normal, you know,
and we don't want that.

This week we are continuing the law of purity as
we're getting close to wrappingup our study on the four laws of
love, and this week we're goingto start a two part series on
true sexual intimacy.
We'll be back with that rightafter this.
Welcome to Marriage Life andMore.

(02:19):
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on Marriage Life and more Well.
As I said here in the beginning, we've been doing this a while.
I think we started this in theend of October and I knew this

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series would go for a while, butI don't think I really thought
it'd go this long, but we'vecovered a lot of territory.

Yes, we have.

There's a lot that we've put into this and I hope
somewhere throughout this wholeseries that something is
resonated with you all out there.
We have got some good feedbackon the series.
A lot of people have reallyenjoyed it and it's actually
helped them a lot in looking atthings a little differently.
In their marriage and Michelleand I have grown in our
marriages We've went throughthis series as well.

And it's been very interesting in how it's
made us just grow just ingeneral, not just personally,
but as a couple.
What was the words that youused?

I mean I feel like it's made us closer, more
connected.
Yeah, it's been quiteinteresting because, you know,
michelle and I we've talkedabout this a little bit to some
of our friends that's close tous.
But you know, michelle and I,with all the stuff that we've
been through in our past and ourmarriage, we've talked about
that stuff and you know, we'veforgiven each other and we've

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kind of hashed our way throughthose things.
But I think that this serieshas really opened up even more
depth of conversation yeah,probably than we've ever even
really had on it.
So it's been kind of cool.

It's a deeper level.
Yeah, it is truly a deeperlevel.

It has been very much a deeper level for both of
us to go into this level, forboth of us to go into this, and
you know it, just it proves tothe fact that that healing
continues you know on into yourlife.
You can get past things and getto a point where you are happy
in your situation, but itdoesn't mean that you're

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completely healed and I thinkthat as time goes along.
As they like to say, you knowtime heals all wounds.
I agree with that to an extent.
I think there's some woundsthat you know time may not
actually heal, necessarilydepending on the person, but in
all reality, with what we'vebeen through, I feel like there
has been even more healing aswe've went through this series

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and I'm looking forward to whatwe have in the future.

Aria (05:23):
Yeah, Me too.

Just a little sneak peek.
We'll talk about it again atthe end.
Here we got some interviewscoming up with some awesome
couples that have some uniquescenarios in their marriages, as
we're looking forward to that.
And then Michelle and I stillhave more to our story.
We haven't actually sharedeverything yet, and so we're
going to have some episodescoming up in the near future

(05:46):
where we're going to talk about,you know, a couple different
subjects that people deal within marriages.
Sometimes, as far as you know,if a spouse has a major illness
or a sickness that takes place,how you navigate through those
things.
Michelle had a major loss inher family that caused a very
traumatic situation to happen,and we had to navigate through

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that with us and our children,and so we're going to be hitting
on all of that in the future.
So a little bit of some stuffthere to look forward to.
But this week we are finally tothe final two episodes of this
series the Four Laws of Love andwe have finally gotten to the
sex part, so we're going to goahead and get started on that
this week as we talk about truesexual intimacy.

And this might be something that little ears
probably shouldn't hear, wouldyou agree?

That's probably a good point.
Yeah, if you do have earbuds,you might want to pop those in
or maybe listen to this whenyou're alone, because there's
some stuff in there that's alittle heavy.
I'm not going to say it's goingto get real super graphic, but
at the same time I don't knowwhat your boundaries are with
your children, so you might wantto just keep that in mind as we

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start these next two episodes.
So we're going to go ahead andget into it then here with True
Sexual Intimacy.
Our society is the most sexuallyconfused culture in the history
of the world and because oftechnology and the internet, the

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average person is experiencingsexual excitement much more than
ever before and in more waysthan before.
However, in most cases, itisn't resulting in greater
marital satisfaction or intimacy.
It's actually quite theopposite.
The primary reason for this ispornography.
Consider these troublingstatistics.

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A survey conducted by the BarnaGroup found that approximately
two-thirds, or 64%, of US menview pornography at least
monthly.
Moreover, the study revealedthe number of Christian men
viewing pornography virtuallymirrors the national average
broken down by age.
Men viewing pornographyvirtually mirrors the national
average broken down by age.

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Eight in ten men, that's 79%between the ages of 18 and 30,
view pornography monthly.
Two-thirds or 67% of menbetween the ages of 31 and 49,
view pornography monthly.
One-half or 49% of men betweenthe ages of 50 and 68, view

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pornography monthly.
Christian men are watchingpornography at work at the same
rate as the national average.

That just blows my mind I know, I'm sorry.
I cut in there, I'm just, Idon't know.
These statistics are a lot.

It's very disturbing.

Yes, sorry, that's for sure.
Go ahead, sorry, it's verydisturbing.

Yes, sorry, that's for sure.
Go ahead, sorry.
One-third, or 33%, of menbetween the ages of 18 and 30
either think that they areaddicted or are unsure if they
are addicted to pornography.
Combined, 18% of all men eitherthink that they are addicted or
unsure if they are addicted topornography, which equates to

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about 21 million men.
Consider these statistics,though, concerning women and
couples' pornography use.
Over half of women watchpornography videos on their own.
9% of these say they watch pornevery day.
Women generally favor soft pornat 76% or role play, at 47%.

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Most women, or 96%, havewatched porn with a partner and
say it improves sex.
Making home videos is anincreasingly popular trend for
couples.
So, as we go through thesedisturbing statistics here, I
think one thing that reallysurprises me probably the most

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to an extent, is the fact thatand I have read these statistics
before in a previous episodethat I did with Luke Taylor
about a year, year and a halfago or so, we kind of covered
some of this a little bit butthe fact that the Christian
population is having as muchproblem with it as the

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non-Christian, or, in some cases, even more, and I know that
there's a lot of statistics outthere today that I've read about
, even with pastors and churchesthat are failing and having
problems with this, and I thinkthat the disturbing part of it
as well is a lot of Christiansare actually accepting it and
thinking that what they're doingisn't really all that bad.

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They're still allowing that totake place.
I know here recently for anybodythat keeps up with the news
Paula Baker.
She's the evangelical lead thatDonald Trump put into position
for his evangelical team andshe's a very well-known pastor.
I guess you would call her.
She calls herself a pastor.

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She's very well-known in theevangelical circles, the
Christian circles, and her andher husband were at a marriage
retreat here recently andthey've got the video out there.
The recording it's all outthere.
But they were talking aboutcouples that are having troubles
with having sex and havingintimacy between each other in a

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sexual manner and theylaughingly suggested that maybe
just to get some porn and watchit, maybe learn some stuff and
figure out some better ways todo it if you're all bored with
your sex life and all that kindof thing.
And they were very seriousabout that when they said it and
that was shocking to a lot ofthe Christian community because

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as Christians we know that whenyou get into pornography that's
a road that Satan takes a lot ofpeople down and it usually
becomes an addiction and thatalso destroys marriages.
I can say for myself, with myfirst marriage I had a lot of
pornography use and I do thinkthat some of the issues that I

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had in my first marriage I canactually attribute some of that
to what took place there,because there is a numbing.
I know a lot of people thatI've talked to and friends that
I know that have had pornographyissues and other people that
I've talked to about it.
They will admit to you that.
You know we can try to say thatwe have control and that we can

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start or stop something anytimewe want to, or we can watch
things and it doesn't bother us.
We can let things get into ourmind gate without it affecting
the way that we look at otherthings or look at other people.
But in all reality that mightbe true at the very beginning,
when you very first start doingit.
But the more that you do it andthe more that it gets embedded
in your mind, it does starttwisting your view of things and

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twisting how you feel aboutthings and think about things,
and a lot of times when you usepornography, especially in
marriage, it's going to dumbdown those feelings that you
have for your spouse, becauseyou're going to see a lot of
things on video that are fantasy, just a big fantasy world.
These people are getting paidto do all of this kind of stuff.

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And we know that when you startwatching pornography it starts
out small and then that getsboring.
So you stair-step to the nextworst-case scenario and that
gets boring, and then you justkeep going until you get into
the shock stuff, the stuffthat's just absolutely
disgusting.
But it takes that to satisfythat hunger that you have and
that addiction that you have topornography, to satisfy that

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hunger that you have and thataddiction that you have to
pornography.
And when you get to that point,that's what it takes to
stimulate you, that extremestuff.
But then when your spousedoesn't want to do that extreme
stuff, then that creates anissue between you and your
spouse in your relationship,because then you're not
satisfied sexually anymore,right, and then when that
happens, the feelings betweenthe two of you, plus the fact

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that most spouses hide it theydon't let their other spouse
know that they're even watchingthis stuff or partaking of it.
So not only are they havingthese issues then performing
when they're trying to have sex,sexual relations in bed or
whatever it may be, but there'salso this secret going on that
they're trying to keep fromtheir spouse In their mind.

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They're fighting these mindgames, trying to get over the
issues that's causing theproblems between the two spouses
without letting the otherspouse know that the true root
of all of this is a pornographyproblem, you know, and so when
all that stuff comes into play,it's just a very dangerous road
to take when you're trying tokeep your marriage together, let
alone the fact that you're insin.

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When you live that kind of alifestyle.
You know if your moment came,that you were taken away, you
know that's going to very muchhurt the reality of you being in
heaven someday.
When you have this kind ofaddiction in your life and you
cannot get over it, and you'reletting it control you, and so,

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and I think too, over the lastyears here, the pornography use
in women has really risen.
And you know we used to lead alife group of college age and
young adults at another churchand it was an Assembly of God
church and you know, even withinthat group we had issues where
there was male and femalepornography use and Michelle and

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I were both approached ondifferent occasions with this
issue and you know they weretrying to seek some help from us
and some guidance on how to getover that.
And in all reality it's apersonal choice.
You have to come to a pointwhere, between you and God, that
you nix that and get rid of itand you have to replace that

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stuff with godly things.
You have to start watchingsermons, listen to Christian
music, just everything you do.
You need to saturate your mindwith the things of God.
Get some counseling if that'sthe case, if that's something
that's needed.
But it's not worth destroying amarriage over pornography and
that kind of thing.
You know, as we stated at thebeginning of this episode, the

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average person is experiencingmore sexual stimulation and
excitement than ever before, butit's not improving marriages or
resulting in increased intimacyin marriage relationships, and
there's several reasons for this, and one reason is what we
addressed, actually, in ourprevious episodes on sexual
intimacy, and that is thatsexual intimacy, as we talked

(16:18):
about that, it was onlyone-fourth of that intimacy
equation and if you rememberwhen I very first asked you in
that episode, what do you thinkof when you think of intimacy?
What was your answer that yougave me?

Was it sex.

Yes, it was.

Sorry guys, Too many things go on in my mind
that I'm just like am I going toanswer this one, right?

You get an A.

That was not scripted, so I was like this is
a trick question.

Yeah, no trick to it.
That is how you answered it andI think most people think of it
that way.
But in all reality, sexualintimacy is only one fourth of
that, and our society has lostits way morally and truly
believes that increased sexualfrequency will fill that
intimacy void.
If you don't have that intimacyin your life, they think, well,
if I just have more sex orwhatever, then that's all it's

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going to take.
But, as we studied in that lastepisode, that wasn't the case.
There's more to it than justthat and that's just a lie
whenever that comes up that wayand it results in divorces and
sexual addictions, sexualisolation, where an increasing
number of men and women arechoosing sexual self-pleasuring
over having sex with a mate.

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It's a troubling trend that hasdramatic social implications
when viewed from amulti-generational or
sociological perspective.
Another important reason whyincreased sexual frequency isn't
resulting in intimacy is thatwe were created by God to bond
to only one person.
Every time we have sex with ourspouses, we are flooded with
very powerful hormones andchemicals that literally wire

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our brains to each other.
Prolactin is one hormone thatis released when we have sex.
That causes us to relax andreduces stress.
Vasopressin is another powerfulhormone and it's released
during sex and it causes us tobond with our spouses and,
amazingly, research has proventhat it also causes us to find

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members of the opposite sex,other than our spouses, less
attractive.
The hormone oxytocin is alsoreleased during sex.
It is called the cuddle hormoneand it causes deepened feelings
of trust and attachment betweencouples, and Michelle and I
have talked about this a littlebit, about how it seems like

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today, marriage isn't really asbig of a thing for young adults.
They would rather stay single orlive with their girlfriends or
boyfriends or, if they aresingle, sometimes you'll find
that those single people havepornography addictions because
they just prefer to keepeverything to themselves and not
even involve another person,and that really seems to be

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happening a lot these days.
Do you have any insight on whyyou think that's the case for
many things?
Because I know that, you knowyou're around a lot of single
girls that aren't married, thatyou know have kids and that kind
of thing Is there kind of likesome?
kind of a trend or somethingthat you're seeing.

No, I think a lot of it is.
I mean, from my perspectivethis is not definitely a
perspective from a doctor oranything statistically or
anything just from just lookingis, I think, a lot of them, if
they've been through arelationship to where they've
been hurt or they've had to doeverything on their own to begin

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with, why not just do ityourself?
You don't need someone there.
And I think a lot of times, ifyou do go through a relationship
or a bad marriage, you don'twant to have to experience that
again and go through a divorce.
So it's just easier to livewith someone versus getting
married all over again.
And I also think part of it too, and I may be wrong, but you

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get a little different benefitswhen you're a single mom with
children, you know, financially.
Yes, you're going to give thatup if you do get remarried or
whatever.
But it is very odd to me tothink well, it's even different
now, the fact that you know Iwas 19, I was already 18, I was
already married.
Now they're all waiting tillthey're like late 20s.

I think the average I heard the other day
was 28 to 30.

Yeah, it's so different and when people have
kids you're usually that 28 andup age now and you know, I had
all three, I had all my kids andI think you were a little bit
older than I was.

I was a little later because I got married when
I was 21, I think it was, and Idid not have a child until I
was 28.

Yeah.

So we waited on Brooklyn, which?
You're older than me.
I'm older than you, right yeah?

you're five years older than me it timed out
where it was— it timed outwhere the kids were practically
the same age, because Jake andBrooke are the exact same age.
They're a month apart, yeah,and so I mean I had mine—I mean
Jacob, I was 19, and I hadJeremiah turn around 16 months
later.
So I mean, if you really thinkabout it, so much has changed in
the years that it is differentTraditionally.

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You know I wasn't married to.

I want some kind of it seems like the connection
that's actually.
He just took that yeah.

I would want that connection to know you're
mine and you're nobody else'sRight.
I would want that connection toknow you're mine and you're
nobody else's.
I want to.
I just I can't fathom of oh,I'm done with you, just move out
.
And I think that's really hardwhen you have children and those
children meet a guy, vice versa.
You know you're bringingdifferent people in and out and

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so I see that a lot with single,you know, single moms and
that's really hard on thechildren, you know.
And so that you know I don'twant to create a generation
that's going to grow up andthat's like this is normal, you
know, and we don't want that.

No, and it's you know.
I think it also shows how theculture has gravitated away from
biblical foundation.

Oh absolutely.

And what's crazy is a lot of them do our church.
I think that's what's odd aboutit, because a lot of the ones
that I know, you know that Icome across sometimes they may
be single and living with aboyfriend or whatever it may be,
and they may have a childtogether.
Possibly they just haven'tactually done the marriage thing
.
But they go to church, theythink everything's okay.
They just don't really thinkabout none of that.

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But they go to church, theythink everything's okay.
They just don't really thinkabout none of that.

And there's just a lot of things about that that
I think really shows how thesociety can transition and have
a flip, you know, and have aswitch.
And I will say our pastor, hewill biblically preach on this
quite often, right from thepulpit Yep right from the pulpit
Yep, right from the pulpit.
Yep.
Sex before marriage, livingwith someone that you're not
married to, pornography you knowthat is being preached from the

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pulpit and he's you know it isbiblical, it is not supposed to
be happening.
And he will stand up there andI'm sure he doesn't get the high
fives and everything like that,because you do have the
unmarried dating couple thatlive together and everything and
they come in and hear a sermonlike that, but he preaches it
all biblically.

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And I mean I wish otherministers would.
Yeah, more churches need to bedoing it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Other ministers would.
Yeah, more churches need to bedoing it.

Yeah, absolutely so.
These are just a few examplesof what happens when we have sex
with our spouses.
Just chemically, in ourchemical balance and God
designed sex to be a force thatbonds husbands and wives
together with that powerfulcocktail of chemicals and
hormones.
But the problem is, you know,when you start watching
pornography, those samechemicals are released, but they

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are attaching to your brain tosomeone other than your spouse.
So the more pornography youwatch, the more confused your
brain becomes.
The sexual hardwiring thatshould only be occurring with
your spouse is now being sharedwith many others and it messes
with how our minds processsexual information.
They are by far the mostpowerful sex organ that we all

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have.
The more pornography we watchand sexual stimulation that we
experience with someone otherthan our spouses, the less
bonded we become with them andthe less sexual excitement they
create for us.
I kind of hit that just a littlebit earlier.
I heard there's one sexeducator said that when a man
watches pornography and then hassex with his wife, it's really

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nothing more than vaginalmasturbation.
And because of pornography, anincreasing number of young men
in their 20s and 30s are havingto use Viagra in order to get an
erection because of the sexualoverstimulation that they are
experiencing.
And this one here is really aprominent thing that you hear

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that people like to rebut, do arebuttal on and argue with you
over, but in all reality,couples who watch porn to get
sexually stimulated beforehaving sex.
You're, in essence, reallyinviting other people into your
bedrooms and you're actuallycompounding the problem that you
think that you are solving.
When you have to watch porn toget excited to have sex, you're

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effectively telling your spousesthat they aren't enough to
please you.
Also, pornography offersdiminishing returns.
It has to be more and moreraunchy to create excitement and
it produces less and lesspleasure.
It is an endless and emptypursuit that always ends up
badly, and I think you canprobably agree with that.

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That I know for us, if weintroduce that into our
relationship, that would be.
I think that would feelinvasive, don't you?

Oh I know, For me it would feel very invasive.

I know that to stimulate yourself, just to get
into the mood or get into theyou know, have the desire to
want to have those types ofrelations with your spouse.
Well, eventually I think thattells me, with the way that the
human brain works eventuallythat's not even going to be
enough.
And then that's when thoseproblems start having between
the two of you, where then thatdivorce is probably going to be

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looming at your doorstep,because your spouse is supposed
to be more than enough for you.
Yeah we've talked about thatrepetitively through this whole
series, and if it comes to apoint where you can't do one of
the most sensuous things withyour spouse, one of the most
intimate things that you caneven share with each other,

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without having some kind of astimulation, there's a problem.

Well, I was just sitting here thinking you're my
desire.
You know, if I'm sitting herethinking about watching
something to make that my desireto be able to, you know, make
love or do something with you.
That to me means this is moreimportant.
Like you were just saying, Icouldn't imagine putting

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something above my husband, likeyou know, I.

Well, there's something, just even in the fact
knowing that we can turn eachother on.

Yeah.

Because once you get to that point where that
doesn't even happen, that reallydoes mess with your mind.

And we've been there.
We've been at that pointBecause of medical stuff I had
to go through.

And we'll talk about that in a different
episode.
That's a struggle and a fightsometimes that you have to push
your way through to try to getpast that and rebuild some of
that back up, and it's not easy.

Well, let me ask you this.
You know you had this issuewhen you were married before.
Did that not come between youand her?
It did I mean, how did thatmake her feel?

Well, she was partaking in it as well.

Oh, okay.

It was not a secret in my first marriage Both
of us well, we had other thingsthat happened in there too.
It led to a lot of bad things,and you're aware of some of that
, as I've told you.
Yeah, well, we had other thingsthat happened in there too.
It led to a lot of bad things,and you're aware of some of that
, as I've told you.

Yeah Well, I'm aware of all of it, yeah, you
know, I'm just so you know.

It's just not a game to play.
It's very dangerous territoryto move into with a marriage
because you know, you see theseswinging couples and they feel
like they can swing from.
You know, share partnersbetween each other and whatever.
I don't understand how that canactually be sustained over time
.

Well, I think you would get attached to
somebody else, you know.
That's just not something youopen the door to.

You're messing with your emotions at that point
and the very core being of whoyou are and what creates love
inside of you.

So how did you guys work through that Like or
did you guys?

We didn't really.
I think once all of thatstarted taking place it was
about halfway through that firstmarriage and then, once all of
that started, combined withother things that were thrown
into the mix, it all just wentdownhill from there and it did
come to a point where I feellike the sexual intimacy part

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and the desire you know, havingthe ability to be turned on by
each other.
I think a lot of thatdisappeared and eventually just
vaporized, because in essence,like we've been talking about
here, when you allow this stuffto take place in your life we
were watching, even though it'son a TV screen, it doesn't
matter, you can't unsee anything, anything that you ever see in

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your life.
It's embedded there as a memoryforever.
And those are the things thatyou fight as you move on in life
.
You're constantly, especially ifyou're, ashamed of all of that.
That's the stuff you're tryingto shed off of you, but that's
also the stuff that Satan wantsto fight you with.
Oh, I'm sure that becomes hisweapons and he will continually

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just like moving into the nextmarriage if something starts
going bad or whatever.
If you had that tendency in thefirst time, then it's easy to
have that tendency again to getinvolved in that again.
And so there you are, you'refighting another battle to make
sure that does not happen andrepeat itself.
And so that's what's bad withaddictions.
You know, a life-controllingsituation or an addiction in

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your life, once you have—oncethey have that toehold and they
have that grasp on someone likethat, it does take a miracle of
God to shed that off and toleave it completely behind you
and never have it bother youever again.
You have to have God in thatequation, or I just don't see
how that works.
I really don't.
And so you know, with thatsituation it's like I've been

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there and done that, that andI've seen what it can do to a
marriage and it's not worth it.

I'd punch you.

It's not worth it at all.
Yeah, because if you losesomebody that you truly love, oh
yeah, somebody that truly meanssomething to you, over
something like that.

I mean not that I had any right to do what I did
.
I mean, it's no different.
You know, a sin is a sin in themarriage, you know.
But still I mean, and I don'tknow why I would think an affair
would be any different thanpornography.
I mean, really and honestly,it's not.
Yeah, it's the same level, youknow but at the same time I just

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that is so hurtful and I thinkabout a friend that found out
that her husband was doing thatand it just broke her heart and
I can remember her for quitesome time going through it and
not wanting to have sex and himnot understanding why, and it

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took them months to get throughit and get past it.
It took them months to getthrough it and get past it and
they had to set barriers of whathe could do and what he
couldn't do for the trust to be.
I mean, god eventually workedit out.
They're still together today,but it was very.
I mean, I walked a time withher to where it was very, very
hurtful for her and she did notunderstand what was wrong with

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her.
So mentally I mean it messeswith the other spouse.

Well, for one thing, when you see something on
video, a lot of times thoseaddicted spouses will start
trying to bring some of thatstuff into the bedroom.
And if the other spouse doesn'tunderstand what's going on, and
all of a sudden their spouse istrying to introduce all these
new ways and positions and allthis other stuff to take place
in the bed at night, that neverhappened before.
In all reality, the personthat's hooked up on the

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pornography that's trying tointroduce that into the room.
There's a lot of visual thingsgoing on in their mind that have
nothing to do with their spouse.
They're visualizing all thestuff they've seen on video
while them and their spouse aretrying to do this intimate thing
together.
And that's a robbery, I mean inall reality.

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When that takes place.
You need to be focusing on eachother and what each other can
give each other to satisfy thoseneeds.
You don't need some.
You know film strip replayingin one of the spouse's heads
while this is going on.
And in all reality, I guess,and if you really think about it
in a true way, they're notreally having sex with their

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spouse.
They're thinking all this otherstuff while they're going
through the motions.
You know, and I think a lot ofpeople don't understand and
think of it that way, but that'sthe true reality of it.
A lot of people also don'tunderstand that sex is a
spiritual matter, but in allreality it is.
The reason for this is thesecularization of our culture
and the fact that sex has beendecontextualized for marriage

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and God.
But we have to remember thatGod created sex and why did he
create it?
He created it for marriagealone, nothing else.
Even though that may soundold-fashioned to some people,
it's actually the truth and it'sthe reason our culture is
sexually imploding.
That's why it's all fallingapart, and it's the reason our
culture is sexually imploding.

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That's why it's all fallingapart.
We have stolen sex from God andwe're wondering why it isn't
working the way that it should.
Sex is a sacred spiritualexperience with incredibly
serious consequences that wemust understand.
There's a scripture here, in 1Corinthians 6, and Michelle,
will you read that for us?

Do you not know that your bodies are members of
Christ?
Here in 1 Corinthians, chapter6, and, michelle, will you read
that for us?
Do you not know that yourbodies are members of Christ?
Shall I then take the membersof Christ and make them members
of a harlot?
Certainly not.
Or do you not know that he whois joined to a harlot is one
body with her, for the two, hesays, shall become one flesh,

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but he who is joined to the Lordis one spirit with him.
Flee sexual immorality, everysin that a man does is outside
the body, but he who commitssexual immorality sins against
his own body.
Or do you not know that yourbody is the temple of the Holy

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Spirit who is in you, whom youhave from God, and you are not
your own, for you were bought ata price.
Therefore, glorify God in yourbody and in spirit, which are
God's, and that's 1 Corinthians6, 15-20.

And this scripture pretty well puts the nail in
the coffin on the fact that ifyou are living together,
unmarried, having sexualintimate relationships, or if
you're swinging, or if you'resingle and you're just random
having sexual partners in thedating scene, if you truly feel
like you're a Christian, thisscripture here tells us that we

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are temples of the Holy Spirit.
When God comes inside of us andthe Holy Spirit comes inside of
us, that's where he dwells.
If it's sin to do these sexualthings outside of marriage and
that's something that God'sagainst and he does not allow us
to do in order to inherit thekingdom of God, why do you think
you can still go to church andbe a Christian but then sleep

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around like that God's going toevacuate the premises he's going
to leave the building, as theysay about Elvis, and so you have
to make sure that you reallywatch what you're doing, because
, in all essence, sex is aspiritual matter, it's not just
a physical thing that, oh, I'vegot control of my body and I can

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do whatever I want.
No, that's not really the waythat works.

I think a lot of people say it's my body, it's
my choice.

Exactly they do that with, you know, the
abortion thing and other areas,and that does apply here as well
.
And yes, it is our bodies andGod has instructed us to take
care of our bodies and he'sgiven us direct orders on how to
do that.
And so we need to make surethat we do it in the correct
manner.
You know, we've got to rememberthat we're not animals, we're

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spiritual beings, and this isthe truth that Apostle Paul, he
was trying to impress this uponthe Corinthians.
He was trying to get them tounderstand that our sex organs
are connected to our spirits andwhen we have sex with someone,
we become spiritually connectedto that person permanently.
Yeah, paul used the example ofprostitution.
He enlightened those whothought they could have a casual

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sexual encounter with aprostitute without consequences
to the spiritual reality thatthey had actually become
spiritually connected to them.
Because our society hassecularized sex and removed it
from its true spiritual context,many people think of it as a
casual recreational issue.
They look at it in that manner.
They don't realize that everyact of sex is spiritual in

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nature and has vast consequenceson our bodies, our minds, our
emotions and our spirits.
When you have multiple sexpartners, you create powerful
soul ties to those people.
Even though the acts of sexthat you had with them may be in
your past, that spiritual tiethat you have to them is in your
present and is compromisingyour ability to bond to your

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spouse as you should.
You know I have a lot of respectfor people that especially
church-going adults that willsave themselves for marriage but
yet they'll still marry someonethat's already had sex before.
You know, that's alwaysintrigued me because I know for
the longest time when I grew up,there was especially a lot of

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girls were more like this thanthe guys, but they always felt
like that if they keptthemselves for marriage, then
the guy needed to and theywouldn't date anybody.
That had broken that, you know.
But more and more today you'llsee that maybe one spouse did
keep themselves, the other onemight not have, but yet they
still, you know, get hooked upor whatever.

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But you know and it's notsomething that needs to be a
dark cloud over our marriage thefact that someone messed up in
the past and you know there'sreasons in sin that that does
happen Sometimes it doesn't makeit right, but at the same time
it doesn't mean they can't be agood spouse, right, you know, in
the future.

Well, I think, if God's placed them in that
person's path and you know thatthat's your soulmate, I say
soulmate, but the person thatGod has intended for you to
marry they may have walked apath.

Yeah.

But at least that person is in tune with the
Holy Spirit to know that that'sthe person that God's planted in
front of them.

Right and that person that did mess up.
They're just going to have tofigure out between them and God
and their spouse how to shedthat off of them and not let it
go forward into their marriageYep, and not let it affect them.
You know, one pastor wasteaching on this subject and he
illustrated the compromisingnature of soul ties by using
duct tape and a piece of carpet.
He took a piece of the ducttape and he pressed it down hard

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on the carpet.
He did this to illustratehaving sex the first time.
He then pulled the tape off ofthe carpet and it had carpet
thread still stuck to it.
This represented the spiritualfact that a part of the person
that we have sex with stays withus even after that sexual

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encounter is over.
He then took the tape andpressed it down the carpet for a
second time to demonstrate asecond sexual encounter with a
new person.
This time it was harder to getthe tape to stick because of the
threads that were covering partof it.
He then pulled it off for thesecond time and more carpet
threads were stuck to it,representing a second soul tie.
He then repeated the same thingseveral second time and more
carpet threads were stuck to it,representing a second soul tie.
He then repeated the same thingseveral more times and finally

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the tape wouldn't stick at all.
This represents what happenswhen casual sexual encounters
have so spiritually compromisedus that we are incapable of
bonding to anyone.
And I for one have seen peoplethat pretty much ran contests
when they were teenagers on whocould sleep with the most people
, and several of them are stillsingle to this day.

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I think a lot of it.
They just cannot bond withanybody anymore in their life
and they've done that so muchthat it has really numbed them
to the special relationship partof having someone that you can
be emotionally and sexually tiedto, without all of that baggage

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and without all of that stuffin their past and their
background.
And so there's a lot of truthto this.
If you keep doing this thingover and over having sex before
marriage and just making this acontest or whatever you're
trying to do, it's doing damageto you each time that you do
that and you're going to make itharder and harder and harder

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for you to be able to bond withsomebody in the future when you
have all of this in yourbackground.
You know, of course, with thefact of not having God involved.
God can help change anything,obviously, but just as far as
the human side of things, wehave to be careful with that.
Now there is an answer to soulties that can return us to

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healthy condition, which we justkind of mentioned.
It begins by repenting ofsexual immorality, and we need
to repent of every act ofimmorality before God and ask
His forgiveness.
We must then break the soulties that we have with every
person that we have had sex withother than our spouses.
This can include ex-spouses,people in our past, and it can

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also include online encounterswhere we have bonded with
someone sexually.
So, to do this, there is aprayer that you can pray for
that and, michelle, you want toshare that with us.
This is kind of a templateprayer.
I guess you could say that youcan read.

Yeah, Father, in Jesus' name, I repent of being
sexually immoral with and prayyou will forgive me.
I receive your forgiveness.
I didn't realize it at the time, but I joined my spirit and
body with them and there isstill a part of them inside of

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me that shouldn't be there.
I sinned against my own bodythrough my sexual sin.
I pray for you to heal mespiritually and I break the soul
tie I have with.
In Jesus' name, I bind the workof the enemy in that area and
command him to leave.
Holy Spirit, I pray you willfill my sexual organs and

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cleanse them of anything that isunclean or unhealthy.
I dedicate my body as thetemple of the Holy Spirit and my
sexual organs as sacred.
In Jesus' name, amen.

And you can fill those blanks with whoever that
person is that you need to breakthat soul tie with you know.
Once you've broken those, youmust break off contact with any
person involved and remove allreminders of them from your life
.
If your soul ties with anex-spouse that you must still
see on occasion, you need tomake it as limited and
accountable as possible.

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If you are addicted topornography, you need to confess
your problem to someone who canhelp you and keep you
accountable.
There are men's and women'sgroups in churches that minister
freedom to sexual addicts PureDesire Ministries, which you can
visit their website atpuredesireorg.
That's a very good ministrythat helps men, women and
couples find sexual freedom.

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Many churches use their Conquerseries and it's very effective.
You can also use the appCovenant Eyes.
That's another one that's verywell known.
I know a lot of churchesactually use that on their
pastoral staff.
If you're a staff member that'spaid on staff at churches, they

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make them put that on theirphones and they have
accountability partners thatwatches.
You know everything that goeson so that people don't have
such a tendency to mess up withthat.
The only way to find truefreedom is to learn to take our
thoughts captive.
Sexual bondage isn't centeredon our genitals.
It's centered on our thinking,although some people like to

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think with their genitals.
That's just not the way that'ssupposed to work.
I've never been completelyaddicted to pornography myself,
but I was exposed to itregularly from the time that I
was 11 and all throughout myfirst marriage.
I struggled a lot with lust andhad a difficult time stopping
my mind abuse, learning to takemy thoughts captive and meditate
on scriptures totally set mefree and kept me free sexually.

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It is also the key to being setfree from worry, anxiety, fear,
depression and many otherissues.
To experience true sexualintimacy with our spouses, we
must return to the biblicalfoundations of sex and marriage
and rediscover how God designedit in the beginning.
To do that, we must understandthat marriage is a covenant

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relationship.
To do that, we must understandthat marriage is a covenant
relationship.
The Hebrew word covenant thatmeans to cut.
You don't make a covenant, youcut a covenant that means there
must be blood spilled.
This is why God cut Adam tocreate Eve.
He could have made Eve out ofthe dirt, just as he had done
with Adam, but that wouldn'thave been a covenant.
Covenant requires a much higherprice than any other type of

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relationship.
A covenant relationship is asacrificial and a permanent
relationship.
In relationships you get whatyou pay for.
If you want somethingconvenient and easy, you don't
really want a covenant.
But in a covenant relationshipyou are safe and you can unpack
your bags and open your heart.
You don't have to worry whatthe next problem you have will

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end the relationship.
A covenant relationship is asacred relationship with God in
the center of it.
You must remember that when Godcreated Adam, eve and marriage
in the second chapter of Genesis, he lived with them.
It wasn't just a man and awoman.
It was a man and woman with Godin the center of their
relationship, and that is themarriage, the way that God

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designed it so good.
We must also understand thatevery covenant relationship has
a seal and a sign.
For example, our relationshipwith Jesus is a covenant
relationship that he shed hisblood to establish In our
covenant relationship with him.
Water baptism is the covenantseal that he shed His blood to
establish In our covenantrelationship with Him.
Water baptism is the covenantseal that seals the deal, and
you can read about that inColossians 2, 11, and 12.

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And communion is the covenantsign that shows we are walking
in good faith, and you can readabout that in 1 Corinthians, 11,
23-26.
In marriage, sex is the covenantseal and sign.
After our weddings, weconsummate our vows by having
sex.
The vows alone don't make usmarried in God's sight.

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Sex makes us married in God'ssight.
And the first time a woman hasintercourse, her hymen stretches
and tears causing bleeding.
In ancient cultures, a bridehad to produce a cloth with
blood on it after her weddingnight to prove that she was a
virgin.
Scientists are baffled by theexistence of the woman's hymens
because they have no practicalpurpose, and that is true.

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God didn't create them for apractical purpose.
He created them for a spiritualpurpose to seal the covenant.
We realize that some of youlistening to this episode
probably had sex with someonebesides your spouse before you
were married.
This doesn't mean that you arenot married now in God's sight.
It does mean that the person orpersons you had sex with before

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you created soul ties.
You need to deal with those.
If you had sex with your spousebefore your wedding, it didn't
make you married, it justcreated a soul tie.
But once you make a commitmentpublicly and have sex as a legal
couple, your sex from thatpoint forward is covenant sex.
Another way to say it is thiscasual, non-committed sex isn't

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covenant sex.
Our point in saying all of thisis to get us to return to a
spiritual and biblical view ofsex and marriage.
It is only there that you canbegin experiencing sexual
intimacy, as God designed it sowith us, as we navigated through
the problems that we had, andwe had that time frame there

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where the bad stuff was going onand you know we were
potentially headed for a divorceand the intimacy part was
really non-existent to a point,you know, during that time.
I think now, since we've movedpast all of that and we've
reframed our thoughts and ourmind and actually concentrated

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more on God, you know, I feellike between us that's really
fixed a lot of those issues.

Oh, I'd agree with that.

Because we look at it differently.

And I think that's the mindset too, mm-hmm,
you know.

And so you know, as far as you know, I know
myself, I do look at sex asbeing a spiritual thing,
obviously, because we look at itbiblically, yes, and we
understand how it's designed inthe Bible and that kind of thing
.
But I know for myself.
I think that that's anotherpart of what makes us feel so

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close to each other.

Yeah, I was going to say, you know, when we
were first married.
Obviously you know we lovedeach other, but it wasn't
spiritually, it was what we weredoing was sex you know, make
love, whatever you want to callit, but I think now to me, I
don't look at it that way at alland I think that's what makes

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it 10 times better, you know.

Yeah, it's part of the big picture.

Yeah.

Because I know with us, because God is so
centered in what we do betweenthe two of us now and we want to
make sure that everything thatwe do between us is biblical,
more so than what we did at thebeginning, that this part is
also included, and so the factthat I already love and know,
love and adore you like I do,because God has given me such a

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special person, it actuallymakes that sexual part of our
relationship even that much morefun and that much more exciting
to me and that much more of adeep relationship and a deep tie
that I have to you and I thinkyou know I myself, and I don't
know how you feel about it, butI can attribute that to God
being in our relationship.

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So sex is also the covenantsign of marriage, and so we
don't have sex to satisfyourselves or our spouses.
That's not the point of it.
We also have sex as a sign ofgood faith.
A covenant sign means we arehonoring our covenant
relationship.
As believers, we need to takecommunion regularly as a sign to

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the Lord that we remember ourcovenant with Him and are
thankful for what he did to makeit possible.
As husbands and wives, we needto have sex regularly with our
spouses to let them know that weremember the sacred covenant
that we have with them and thatwe are walking in good faith in
it.
When God sees his peoplebearing covenant signs, he pours

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out his blessings.
And when he sees us taking thecovenant sign of sex and using
it in a sinful manner outside ofmarriage, guess what he's going
to judge it?
Read us that scripture of whatthe writer of Hebrews says about
that in Hebrews 13.

Marriage is honorable among all and the bed
undefiled, but fornicators andadulterers.
God will judge.

And that's Hebrews 13, 4.
So if you're a believer, godloves you and you're on your way
to heaven.
He doesn't stop loving us whenwe are sinning.
He just stops blessing andprotecting us in some ways, and
the purpose isn't to harm us.
The purpose is to get ourattention and cause us to repent
and turn back to Him and Hisways.

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You've probably never thoughtof your marriage and sex the way
we have described it in thisepisode, but after listening to
this, we would encourage thatyou discuss it as a couple and
consider dedicating yourmarriage as a sacred covenant
before God.
Also, dedicate your sex organsand bodies as instruments of
covenant blessings to bond youtogether in the beautiful

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intimacy as God designed.
So, as we wrap up this week'sepisode and finish this up, is
there anything that you'd liketo add to this before we go?

So I just want to tell you guys a little secret
.
My husband gave me a birthdaycard.
My birthday was a couple weeksago card my birthday was a
couple weeks ago and in thatbirthday card that he surprised
me with happens to be a littlecruise, a little cruise ship.
It has a picture of me in thetop and then him at the top and

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it says ships ahoy and his wasBon Voyage.
And then in the bottom it sayspack your bags and it says the
date.
So you know, I've been teasingthrough this whole series.
I've teased my husband about acruise or you know, you're going
to get me something like a dogor something you know.

She's high maintenance.

I am not high maintenance people.
I just want you to know that Iam not.

No, she's not.

He surprised me and we will be going on a cruise
and I just it's going to makeme cry because, honestly, from
where we've walked through,we've been married now 20, 23
years and we've been through alot together and I feel more now

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connected to my husband than Iever have.
But just the little surprisesand that's not a little surprise
that was a big surprise, butit's just the little day,
everyday things that he does.
God used our testimony and he'sstill using it today, but I love
the fact that he's redeemed us,restored our marriage, and I'm

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so thankful for that, sothankful for that, and I'm so
thankful for God being able tolet us speak the words out to
each and every person that islistening, and you know we have
got—somebody has messaged uswith a question and we just—we'd

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love for anybody to reach outto us If you need prayer for
your marriage, kids' marriage,grandparents, whatever it is.
That's why we're here, that'swhy we're doing this podcast,
because we believe in it.
Marriage is very sacred.
Marriage is a union before Godand God's taken our marriage and

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completely turned it upsidedown for the good, and he used
the bad for the good and I'm sothankful for what he's done for
us and I'm thankful for myhusband.
I just want to take this timeto honor him, because if it
wasn't for him and God and likeRise Up, everything that just

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all came together for God to usethis, I'm just very, very
thankful for that.

Yeah, and I'm looking forward to our time
together for that week and justhave some time to relax and
enjoy each other, with nodistractions and around us no
dogs yapping and barking and allthat good stuff.

I'm surprised you can't hear a dog breathing
heavy over here, because he'sright next to me, he's sound
asleep.
He's sound asleep and he doessnore.
So so sorry, if you do hearsome snoring, it is not me or
Daniel, it is our little dog.

Yeah, he's a sweetheart, so we are getting
close here to wrapping up.
We've got going here for aboutan hour pretty close.
I do want to, as you mentioned.

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We've had some people reach outand I do want to share a message
that we did receive and kind ofrespond to it here and let you
guys know that there is a shoutout link in our show notes.
If you're on your cell phoneand you click that, it will
actually let you send us a textand you can text questions or
encouragement, give us someexamples of what's happened in

(57:11):
your life, just whatever youfeel like that you want to do.

Or the fact that I don't sound stupid.

Just kidding.

Because I tell Dan old I'm like I don't know
that I sound so great, butwhatever.

Well, it's weird when you hear yourself.

I know it, is it really?

is.
But yeah, you can send us thatstuff and, if you'll allow us to
, we'd love to be able to shareit on future episodes.
We can't respond back to you.
That's a one-way text.
So if you do send us the text,we will respond to that in a
future episode.
But one question that was sentto us here recently is how can I
help my daughter get back withher husband without saying too

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much?
And you know, michelle and Iwhen we received this and talked
a little bit about how we wouldanswer that back.
You know, in all reality, peoplehave a mind of their own, and
you can pour into people andpray for them and try to
encourage them to do the rightthing.
You can give them books to read.
You can give them podcasts tolisten to.
There's lots of differentthings that you can do, but when

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it comes down to the very endresult of it your adult children
or whoever it may be thatyou're concerned about with that
they have their own choice tomake, and there's not really, as
a matter of fact, if you gettoo pushy, you're probably going
to end up causing some divisionbetween you and that person and
you're going to have some issuethere, and so you just want to
make sure that you know you'renot letting that happen, but

(58:38):
just be there as a support, aprayer support and an encourager
, and live out your life as anexample of how theirs could be.
And I know we all want our kidsto stay together, we want our
parents to stay together, wewant our grandparents.
Nobody likes to see a divorcehappen in a family at all.
That just totally breaks up thewhole family unit.

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When that happens and then itcreates blended situations and
then that's a whole differentscenario and battle all in
itself, but in all reality, youknow, it's just one of those
things that it's going to bedifficult to convince anybody to
do that.
Just listen to them the bestthat you possibly can.
Show them that you're there forthem.
Ask open-ended questions.

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Just try to get some questionsand feedback from them on what
they're going on, you know.
Highlight the good things, thepositive aspects that they've
had in that relationship.
Encourage communication,because communication is huge in
relationships.

And I would also add to the fact that you know,
depending on if the son or thedaughter, whatever son-in-law,
daughter-in-law, whatever it maybe, if none of them are in
church, you know, as a parentyou should be pleading the blood
over their lives daily.
I mean, I do on all my kids.

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You know, pleading the bloodover just not their life but
their marriage.
Their children Stand in thatgap for them.
You know, be that prayerwarrior for that family or those
people, or I say those people,be a prayer warrior for the
couple you know include.
You know reach out to somefriends.

(01:00:22):
You know where two or three ormore gathered.
You know you need to reach outand say I'm not going to tell
you any of the issues, but couldyou please be in prayer.
You know for them it doesn tellyou any of the issues, but
could you please be in prayerfor them.
It doesn't always work out theway we want and we all know
being a parent to adult childrenis tough.

Daniel Moore (01:00:41):
Yep, it's very tough.

Michelle Moore (01:00:42):
There are so many times that we can see
things.
We can see things that thechildren don't see, but you have
to let God work it out.

Yep, and so that's probably the best thing that
can be done in that situation,if you're in that situation at
all, if there's a church locallythat maybe might have a
Marriage 911 curriculum orsomething that, for marriages in
crisis, you can get them to go.

Michelle Moore (01:01:10):
I think that's one of the best things ever.
Yeah, try to talk.

I think that's one of the best things ever.
Yeah, try to talk them intodoing that In all reality,
though the therapy and theconsultations need to be with a
biblical counselor.
Yes, absolutely.
That's very highly recommendedfrom us.
There's a lot of goodtherapists out there that don't
approach it biblically, butuntil we understand marriage
biblically, it doesn't reallymean a whole lot, because you

(01:01:33):
have to look at it biblically tounderstand why marriage is even
in place to begin with.
Right right, and so hopefullythose suggestions are a little
helpful to anyone that may begoing through that out there.
But the big thing is prayer.
Just like Michelle was saying,you know, wrap them up in prayer
, get some prayer warriorsinvolved and just plead the
blood over that couple and askGod to do what he does best to

(01:01:56):
put that back together.
So we're going to go ahead andcall it a wrap for this week and
we just thank you, guys forjoining us.
Next week we're going to beconcluding our series on the
four laws of love.
Kind of crazy to believe that.
It's actually went by prettyfast it has, and we're already
to the end of it.
We're going to talk about sevensteps to sexual pleasure and

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