December 10, 2024 • 29 mins
Monica brings a unique perspective from her transformative journey to Juarez, Mexico, with Hunger House International, where she witnessed firsthand the power of hope and kindness in communities in need. We connect her experiences to a larger discussion on finding hope in places beyond worldly offerings, especially during the holiday season, and reflect on a 1960s study about the effects of deferred hope on the human heart.
We explore the true essence of gratitude and hope amid the hectic holiday season. The stark contrast between first-world expectations and the deep appreciation for small acts of kindness is brought to life through Monica's mission trip stories. We also share our own journey as walking billboards for Jesus, embracing the challenges of leading others to faith and highlighting the inspiring work of Hunger House International. Join us for this heartfelt exploration of hope, faith, and the enduring impact of seemingly simple gestures.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
here's a question for you is marriage overrated?
Why aren't people gettingmarried anymore?
A new pew research poll foundthat two and five young adults
think marriage is an outdatedtradition marriage rates are at
their lowest right now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is marriage really even worth it?
More than half of marriages endin divorce.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you get married, you have to be stuck with this
person for the rest of your life, right?
That's why you get married.
So that's why it's declining.
Why would you get married ifyou don't, if you want to have
just one partner?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
when you can have multiple Marriage is stupid.
Welcome to the Married AFPodcast, the self-proclaimed
greatest marriage relationshippodcast in the world.
We're your hosts, matthew andMonica Powers, and you're about
to hear part one of ourconversation.
That may have gone a little bitlonger, so we're mixing it up
and going to split it into twoparts.
(00:55):
On your trip to Juarez, mexico,and what all that entailed,
what you took away from it fromthere with our friends at Hunger
House International.
It's an amazing conversation, areally deep conversation,
in-depth conversation.
So, listen, we split it up intotwo parts.
You'll hear this one this week,the next one, the next week.
(01:16):
Please enjoy this conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Apparently I talk too much.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I believe we finally have the spot.
It only took four differentlocations well, we've gone this
listen, we're not the fourth ofthis spot, but we went to
breakfast nook, to office yeah,to living room, to office, to
downstairs in one area, todownstairs in another area, last
recording, to downstairs in thesame area of the last recording
(01:44):
.
But things altered and shiftedjust a little bit because while
you were in Juarez, mexico, Ilike how you tried to say it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That was cute.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was bad.
While you're in Juarez, Mexico,this past week, I was like you
know what I'm going to surprisemy beautiful wife?
I'm going to change things upjust a little bit.
Take her area of what shecreated, because I loved it, and
just try and spruce it up alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, I couldn't spruce because I had no
materials to spruce with.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I got some materials to spruce with you
spruced it up.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I couldn't believe you were down here.
I love that you tried tosurprise me with it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Completely forgetting .
We have cameras.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like surprises, tried to surprise me with it and I
don't.
We have cameras like surprises.
But yeah, the uh.
But I didn't even look at whatthe boxes were.
I just saw that there were alot of boxes delivered and this
I mean this I, I, I reallythought it was probably parts
which would make, because Inever looked at what vehicle it
was yeah, it just made.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Just makes sense, but I picked it all out the tables,
the rug.
The chairs the furniture, thechairs the white, ivory, velvet
chairs.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know I love velvet.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I know you do, so I'm glad you love it.
Hopefully all you people likeit as well.
The ones who watch us on theinterwebs People do that.
People watch us, believe it ornot?
I don't believe it.
So thank you to all those whowatch, who listen, who download,
subscribe, all that.
It's amazing, but you just gotback from Juarez.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
yesterday we were talking upstairs before we
recorded, because we weretalking about your message that
you gave today.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yes, and I pressed pause on the whole thing and was
saying you know what?
We need to talk about this?
so others can hear it, because Ithink it's good and impactful.
And the message we talked abouttoday at church was on hope and
about our hope and Jesus is thehope of the world and we need
that hope and that a lot of usare living of the things of this
(03:39):
world.
And marriages can be a part ofthat, where we put too much hope
in our spouse, which we weshould have hope in our marriage
.
I have hope in our marriage,but it's not the foundation and
the basis of it all, and thatthe true hope comes from the
power of Jesus and what he isable to offer the Bible says in
his name will be the hope of theworld, and that's what it was
(04:01):
all about.
And then you began talkingabout Juarez and your
devotionals and I said you knowwhat Press pause?
We got to talk about this forothers to hear because it's that
impactful.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I just hope the outcome, because you don't even
know where I was going to finish.
You're like stop, this is apodcast, let's go down there
right now.
Totally was.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And no, I have no idea where this is going.
I don't know what you're goingto say, where this is going to
finish, but we were talkingabout your devotional, so if
this, sucks, it's on you.
Totally Because we will notmake it if it's bad, and what
sparked the conversation is wewere talking about hope in
church today.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And Proverbs 13,.
12 says that a hope deferredmakes the heart sick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that was kind of the general theme you would say
throughout the message and wetalked about how deferred hope
and we want things and we hopefor things and we pray for
things and we believe thingsthat could happen, and whether
it's our relationship or ourfinances or the bank account, or
around Christmas season, theholidays that experience, we put
our hope in so many things butsometimes it feels like God is
(05:04):
just pushing things on along,like he's brushed off my prayers
, he doesn't care about me, andthat is what truly makes the
heart sick.
And as we talked about that, Igave this example of a study
that was done in the 1960s withdogs, and I had heard this from
Craig Rochelle gave this kind ofexample and illustration.
(05:26):
I was like man, that's strong.
Yeah, it was so sad.
It's very sad, it's very strong, but the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Our son when you were sitting, when you're speaking
about this, he was sitting nextto me and he kept looking at me
like huh.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Cash was devastated.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean his heart.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He even told me on the way home.
That's why I tried to prefaceit.
Hey, if you're a dog person,don't get mad at me.
I didn't do this.
But in the 1960s a scientistjust the CliffsNotes version was
doing a study and he had two.
He had dogs, sets of dogs, intwo separate cages.
One cage dogs get shocked.
He puts a lever in, dogsshocking stops.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
They don't know that the lever stops it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But they discover, hey, if I push this, I'm no
longer being shocked.
That's great.
And they do this day after dayand the dogs learn that learned
behavior of hey, I just pushedthe lever, shocking stops.
The other cage, the dogs samething were getting shocked.
There was no lever, so justconstantly, no matter what they
did, they're being shocked.
And what they learned is that,hey, this is just my life, this
(06:23):
is my lot in life, this is whatI am.
It's never going to get anybetter than this.
I'm just going to live in aperpetual state of being shocked
.
So the scientist took the twosets of dogs, he put them into
this one big cage and he hadthis little wall in the center.
And they're all started on oneside.
They're all being shocked again.
And what he found was that thedogs who were shocked with the
lever, they were running aroundand they were doing everything
they possibly could to find thatrelief.
(06:45):
And when they got over to theother side of the wall, the
shocking stopped.
But those other dogs, who allthey knew was being shocked,
there was no way to stop it.
They didn't even make anattempt to go to the other side
of the wall.
They saw what the other dogswere doing, made no attempt,
because they knew that this ismy lot in life, this is who I am
, this is all it's going to be,and they just stayed there.
(07:05):
And what the scientists learnedwas that this was what they
called a learned hopelessness,and that I believe most of us
walk around with a learnedhopelessness of this is my lot
in life.
This is how it's going to be,this is all that I get, and that
began you sparking the thoughtand the conversation of what
happened in Juarez and what youexperienced and what you saw,
(07:28):
and questions you had anddiscussions that you guys had
together who are on this missiontrip.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So yeah, take it from there.
I don't know if I'm going to beable to reenact all the exact
words that I was telling you,it's good enough.
But that Verse it's Proverbs 13, 12.
Hope deferred makes the heartsick.
But there's another part ofthat verse.
(07:57):
That's just the first half ofthat verse.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That is the first half, and that's why I brought
it back At.
The end of the message wasthere's more to this than that.
So what is that?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The second part is but a dream fulfilled is a tree
of life yes, so when thathappened, that you said dogs
could see what was going on overhere, and these dogs were just
laying down.
They were doing nothing, whichmade me think of juarez, because
(08:40):
el paso is where we go tocrossover in New Mexico, because
you can't tell them apart.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They're neighbors.
They're right there, next toeach other.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But you on either side, the downtown part of El
Paso, there's a big bridge thatyou can cross over into El Paso
and you can see there'shigh-rise buildings in el paso.
So if you go up in thosebuildings you can literally look
(09:12):
over into juarez and see what'sgoing on.
You only have to havebinoculars.
It's that close but there's nodifferent from what's going on
over in Juarez that you can'tsee all the big high rise type
of things in El Paso right there, knowing that some people can't
cross over, they might be thereand thinking they're just there
(09:38):
.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Kind of like the dogs .
The dogs, they're just there.
They see the other dogs, well,yeah, yeah, that's there, but
that's.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I don't deserve this yes, so I'm going to take you
through my.
Anyone who loves someone thathas adhd and not everybody has
the same type of adhd, but anadhd brain okay here, buckle up
everybody, here we go this is.
I'm very thankful for all ofthose that love me, knowing that
(10:10):
I don't think it's a.
I don't think it's bad.
I think we are just the onesthat have my brain's type that
are constantly going, they'redoing, doing.
They cannot stop.
We are the ones that have tohave all the medication to reel
us in to focus on the one thingso we can actually get things
(10:33):
done, instead of having massivethings going on at one time.
I feel like that is literallyour house.
There's so many oh well, Ididn't get to finish this, I got
to go back and do this.
Oh, I started over here.
Oh well, I didn't get to finishthis, I got to go back and do
this.
Oh, I started over here.
It's a lot for people,especially if you're OCD.
You can't understand what'sgoing on with us constantly
(10:55):
because there's different typesof ADHD.
I know that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But we are.
Yes, it can be a little chaoticat times.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's organized chaos.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It is, and the thing is pretty much.
Only you recognize theorganization and the chaos.
Sometimes now, because we'vebeen together for so long and
I've learned you, I can see thechaos, the organization in it
sometimes, but yes, to a lot.
It can look like a what in theheck is going?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
on here and it looks like a massive mess.
But if somebody takes one thingout of my mess I instantly know
oh, who's been in here, who'stouched my stuff.
Like the biggest issue we haveat this house right now are
scissors.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Listen, our daughter.
I know who it is.
She steals scissors like crazy,but you know that reminds of
Jesus and the woman at the wellNot the woman at the well, but
the woman with the issue ofblood.
Yes, and they're walkingthrough this huge crowd and it's
chaos and it's nuts and it'sgoing crazy.
And she touches just the bottomof his robe, the hem of his
garment.
Not him, just the clothes andJesus immediately recognizes and
(12:00):
says who touched me and hisdisciples are like I mean, what
are you talking?
Do you not see all the peoplearound us?
Every single person here istouched you multiple times.
What in the world are youtalking about?
That's what that reminds me of,because you recognize it right
away.
Nobody else can.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But that part of my brain, the end of this, what is
it?
Proverbs 12, 13, 12 hope makesthe hope deferred, makes the
heart sick.
Second part here.
But a dream fulfilled is a treeof life.
(12:41):
Every single time I go toJuarez at the orphanage, there's
this gorgeous tree and it's inthe back of the orphanage where
all the kids play.
And there has not been a timewhen I've been to juarez that I
have not climbed this tree thisis true so there's that spark
(13:03):
that made me think of juarezalready thinking of juarez
because the border with the dogsthey can see over and they
finally get over, but they don'treally know what to do.
In that moment I felt like Iwas the dog with the shocked
collar that could stop the lever, I could stop it, but jumping
(13:24):
over it completely killed it.
But when I get over I see allof the other dogs who just
accept it.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
This is my life.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm just.
That made me think of thechildren, Juarez.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
These are the cars that I've been dealt and there's
nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm going to be happy about it.
This is just what it is.
That can go for any situation.
Honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, I mean that's that's.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But this was just.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's a real situation.
We do that all the time with.
It's just dumb little things Imean we you know people who are
very into it just found out lastcouple hours that alabama did
not make the college footballplayoff.
And guess what?
There are people who arethinking that that is the most
devastating thing in the worldright now, like how in the world
can Alabama not make it?
This is Bama we're talkingabout here.
(14:13):
How could SMU get in over there?
And what in the world is goingon?
This is just how it is from nowon.
Saban's gone and this is goingto be our lot in life forever as
an Alabama fan.
Two completely differentextremes, but similar
circumstances.
One is real life and one isstupid who is smu?
(14:34):
uh, southern methodist, they'rein texas.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Cool, very cool somebody I've never heard of
getting in there.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That makes you want to watch football it does a
little bit, so I'm changing itup a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Anyways, it's the same premise, but of that you
had said something else I havelearned hopelessness starred,
and then an arrow to Proverbs 13, 12.
And then you finished with butfor those that are just still
(15:10):
laying there, you can't just laythere because revolution, uh,
revelations 22 proves that hopeis still an option, because
Jesus says I will return.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes, I, I.
Jesus says I am coming soon.
Yes, Jesus said I'm coming backCause you know, for the old
Testament forever, the thesavior's coming, messiah's
coming, he's coming.
He Testament forever theSavior's coming, messiah's
coming, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming.
The dude never shows up untilone day Jesus is born.
He comes, he's there.
The arrival of Jesus, the hopeof the Savior of the world is
here, and hope is restored forso many people in that moment,
(15:41):
during that time.
Well, for us, we can think ofit as well.
Jesus already came, it's over.
What do I have to hope for?
But jesus says I am coming soon, he's coming back so excuse me.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So there was another great quote that you said that
in your message today.
I don't know who said it.
I don't even know if you saidwho said it, because I was
really interested in getting theexact quote and said I don't
know who said it, but it was.
God must love ordinary peoplebecause there's so many of them.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, that was.
I heard that.
I'm not sure who the originalsaid, but I heard that from
coach Jim Valvano, the NC statebasketball coach, and one of the
speeches that he was giving ina presentation or a talk, and it
was someone when he was youngerwho he looked up to and he said
it kind of destroyed himbecause he's thinking
extraordinary.
But yes, god must have lovedordinary people because he made
(16:40):
so many of them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, that also got me thinking, because I know I'm
far from ordinary.
I don't necessarily go aroundand go.
Oh well, I'm unique and you'renot.
I don't necessarily tell peopleall my things.
Now that you've done a podcast,people know.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
People know some things.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But you also ask the question how are you doing
spiritually?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Like for real, for real.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Like is it good, Is it bad?
Because the time of year it'sChristmas.
Here in the States People get alittle depressed, they do.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And they also think you know it's Christmas.
People are more in tune withJesus and church.
We call them CEOs Christmas andEaster only, but it's a reality
.
Yes, the CEOs the Christmas andEaster's only, but yes yes.
People are very depressed thistime of year.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And maybe that's why for the past eight years can't
believe it's been eight yearsI've been going to RS At
Christmas time.
I mean I've been going toJuarez at Christmas time.
I mean I've been at differenttimes, but this is so humbling
and I've had our kids go.
Are we getting underwear forChristmas again?
(18:04):
Socks and underwear.
Now we love getting socks fromGigi and Pops.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Bombas, socks are next level.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I found something out about Bombas on this mission
trip that made me love Bombaseven more.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I had no idea.
When you buy a pair, theydonate a pair.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're like Tom's shoes.
I didn't know that either.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I love them even more .
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That makes me love Bomba socks even more.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Because we give out socks.
And someone who had never beenon the mission trip before he
was telling us about socks.
It was Daniel Oldham, I'm goingto call him out.
And he said if we're doingsocks, I wish I would have known
we have a ton of Bomba socks.
I was like Bomba socks, how doyou have a ton?
(18:57):
He goes Brother Brian Mission,they are given Bombas gives them
.
I said are you serious?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
they give them.
He said they're the ones thatyou buy a pair.
They donate a pair.
I said I love Bombas.
I will continue to buy my $13to $18 pair of Bombas.
That's first world problemsright there.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But knowing that somebody else is going to get a
pair.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Someone else who cannot afford them, who cannot
get them, because they give themto Brother Brian.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Brother Brian is a ministry here in Alabama that
helps people go and recover.
Yes, and on Sunday morningsthey get to come to our church.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, it's an amazing ministry that's helped so many
people.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So I've heard our kids are we going to get that
again?
But the kids that get socksthey're not even new package
socks.
We rip the packages open andfold them up and give them to
these kids.
They're just beyond gratefulfor a pair of socks.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Where us in the United States like you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I got socks, socks.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I wanted the new iPhone and you got me socks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I wanted a PS5.
You got me socks.
Yes, a PS5, you got me socks,yes.
So continuing with my ADHDbrain made me think why.
No wonder people are sodepressed this time of year.
They're having to worry aboutgiving somebody something or not
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having enough to give somebody.
But we are so horrible we don'teven appreciate the things that
we have like this.
This is the coolest setup.
I mean, I'm sure that there'sother podcasts out there that
have all the fancy things but,you do all of this stuff.
(20:50):
You've done the microphones,you've done the cameras, you've
done.
I mean, I ordered these butright, we had pace, make this.
But we don't have to have thisto have a podcast.
You just be us doing something.
This is something I'm gratefulfor that we have this kind of
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space in our basement to setthis type of stuff up.
I just left a place where kidshave dirt as floor.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They have holes in their walls to the outside.
You showed me a picture ofsomeone's bathroom.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
They don't have running water.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
One.
They don't have running water,but they're just like cinder
block walls and they had ajacket shoved and a spot that
was not able to be closed inbecause it's just a hold to the
outside.
They got a jacket that shovedin there.
You're right, I mean that's.
We've got to be incrediblygrateful for what we have.
You know, we think we have itbad, which I don't want to
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discount people's struggles.
I mean they're real yeah, butbut they're nothing.
You think we have it bad.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Nothing, nothing You're going through compares to
what the people in the state ofChudad are going through Right,
especially in Juarez.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Because those kids are grateful.
Well, no, those kids in Juarez,yes, because those kids are
grateful.
When they see these crazy whitepeople walking in.
They're like they give you hugsbecause they're not getting
hugged enough.
They're getting molested,they're getting raped, they're
getting sold for sex, becausetheir parents want money because
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most people make for us.
Now found this out that amonthly uh salary type or an
income for a family in that partof Juarez $200 a month a month
for us.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Wow, that's, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I had more than $200 in my pocket cash.
That's one family's monthlyincome.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That's wild, so it'd be easy to see where.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I understand why people cross the border.
Oh totally, especiallyillegally, because you're going
to get paid in cash that's goingstraight back to their family,
because everything that they'redoing and making here is, I
think it's One US dollar equalsroughly 20 pesos.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So that adds up very quickly.
I got a Diet Coke and aSnickers bar.
Ask me how much that cost me.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How much did that cost?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
$1.50.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
$1.50.
You can't get a Diet Coke for$1.50.
I can't get a Diet Coke.
I can't get a candy that cost$1.50.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
$1.50.
You can't get a Diet Coke for$1.50.
I can't get a Diet Coke.
I can't get a candy bar herefor $1.50.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I can get a candy bar from the school.
That's the off-brand kindbecause they're doing a
fundraiser for $1.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yes, they're good, but not Snickers.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Not Snickers nor Diet .
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Next level, oh my God , next level.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Anyways.
So things like that made methink of when we went back at
the end of when we were doingstuff for the kids during the
day we would have Christmasparties and for them everything.
We would have dinner at the endof the day.
All the kids that had left wewere at the orphanage.
We would have dinner and thenwe would have devotion, and so I
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was so excited because hungercallous.
This year we had pamphlets, Iguess which is awesome and a
daily thing, because we diddevotions daily together.
We would talk about, we would doa whoop and a poop.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What's a whoop and a poop?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
a whoop is something that Whoop, whoop.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay Was good.
I would say a poop is bad.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And a poop is bad.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, okay.
I've never heard that before,that's been, but it was great.
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Everybody had to go around A whoop and a poop.
We sit in a circle andeverybody has.
Someone would start and there'syou gotta give your whoop and
your poop.
I our questions.
So I'm going to go to the pagethat made me think of this with
what you said how are you doingspiritually?
(25:14):
This was day two for us and thequestion is, in as few words as
possible, describe your stateof your spiritual walk.
As few words as possible,describe your state of your
spiritual walk, because Iliterally have you said to ask
yourself how are you doingspiritually?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I mean really ask yourself, because we love to
give that to save faces.
Oh great man, everything's good.
Yeah, fine, I went to church acouple times, yeah talk to God.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I know Jesus is my king.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Really, though, be honest with yourself.
How are you doing spiritually?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
My answer, I said in as few words as possible,
describe your state of yourspiritual walk, Ready for my I'm
ready, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Constant, strong, tested more than ever expected
and intimate that in the tested,more than ever expected, was I
mean, that's real?
Yeah, because a lot of peoplewill think well, you know you,
you know jesus, you're gonna yougive your life to jesus, you're
gonna be a christian.
Uh, things smooth sailing fromthere.
No, it it's not.
(26:23):
It's nice and easy, life isgood.
Could not be further from thetruth.
In fact, it can be moredifficult as a Christian than
not.
I mean Jesus.
It's not like we should besurprised, right?
He says in this world, you'regoing to have trouble, but he
also says hey, remember theyhated me first, the people will
hate you.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And that's absolutely the truth, does not mean life
is all easy when you give life,to give your life to jesus.
Well, what you just said goesperfectly into the question that
they asked the next day, and Ididn't write anything down
because this was super easy forme.
The question is what is yourbiggest challenge in leading
others to jesus?
I was like I'll go first me,pick me, pick me easy one.
I got it because everybody justwent yeah, that's one of those
don't make the eye contact.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't want to have to answer those moments when
you're at school, in your class,the teacher asks the question.
You're just like, don't lookher in the eye.
Look anywhere I possibly can,just don't.
Don't call on me because Idon't want to answer this
question right, but I was oh, oh, oh just like monica geller
from france yes, pick me, pickme, pick me.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes.
Uh, was that when they didtheir book?
Yes, the book club phoebe,phoebe, yes and rachel.
I know, I know, I know, yeah,anybody besides monica.
Yes, that was that moment, yes,but of course I was the only
one that was that moment yes butof course, I was the only one
that was willing to go first.
I didn't have to write anythingdown because it says what is the
(27:53):
biggest challenge, what is yourbiggest challenge in leading
others to Jesus?
I don't have one.
I am a walking, talking,talking billboard.
People that know me know Iwould love my identifier to be
oh, she follows Jesus.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That will conclude our first half of our
conversation on your trip toJuarez.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Sorry for talking too much.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Hey, that's okay, it's a conversation.
That was great, that was needed.
We hope that you got somethingout of it.
We do want to mention, if thisdoes anything for you, if this
impacted you in any way HungerHouse International.
They're an incredibleorganization, incredible
ministry.
We know Ethan and LindsayEverson before they ever even
did this, before they weremarried.
We'll have a link to that foryou just to see the amazing work
(28:41):
that they are doing.
It's absolutely unbelievableand honored that we get to do
that.
here's a question for you is marriage overrated?
Why aren't people gettingmarried anymore?
A new pew research poll foundthat two and five young adults
think marriage is an outdatedtradition marriage rates are at
their lowest right now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is marriage really even worth it?
More than half of marriages endin divorce.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you get married, you have to be stuck with this
person for the rest of your life, right?
That's why you get married.
So that's why it's declining.
Why would you get married ifyou don't, if you want to have
just one partner?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
when you can have multiple Marriage is stupid.
Welcome to the Married AFPodcast, the self-proclaimed
greatest marriage relationshippodcast in the world.
We're your hosts, matthew andMonica Powers, and you're about
to hear part one of ourconversation.
That may have gone a little bitlonger, so we're mixing it up
and going to split it into twoparts.
(00:55):
On your trip to Juarez, mexico,and what all that entailed,
what you took away from it fromthere with our friends at Hunger
House International.
It's an amazing conversation, areally deep conversation,
in-depth conversation.
So, listen, we split it up intotwo parts.
You'll hear this one this week,the next one, the next week.
(01:16):
Please enjoy this conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Apparently I talk too much.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I believe we finally have the spot.
It only took four differentlocations well, we've gone this
listen, we're not the fourth ofthis spot, but we went to
breakfast nook, to office yeah,to living room, to office, to
downstairs in one area, todownstairs in another area, last
recording, to downstairs in thesame area of the last recording
(01:44):
.
But things altered and shiftedjust a little bit because while
you were in Juarez, mexico, Ilike how you tried to say it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That was cute.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was bad.
While you're in Juarez, Mexico,this past week, I was like you
know what I'm going to surprisemy beautiful wife?
I'm going to change things upjust a little bit.
Take her area of what shecreated, because I loved it, and
just try and spruce it up alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, I couldn't spruce because I had no
materials to spruce with.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I got some materials to spruce with you
spruced it up.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I couldn't believe you were down here.
I love that you tried tosurprise me with it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Completely forgetting .
We have cameras.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like surprises, tried to surprise me with it and I
don't.
We have cameras like surprises.
But yeah, the uh.
But I didn't even look at whatthe boxes were.
I just saw that there were alot of boxes delivered and this
I mean this I, I, I reallythought it was probably parts
which would make, because Inever looked at what vehicle it
was yeah, it just made.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Just makes sense, but I picked it all out the tables,
the rug.
The chairs the furniture, thechairs the white, ivory, velvet
chairs.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know I love velvet.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I know you do, so I'm glad you love it.
Hopefully all you people likeit as well.
The ones who watch us on theinterwebs People do that.
People watch us, believe it ornot?
I don't believe it.
So thank you to all those whowatch, who listen, who download,
subscribe, all that.
It's amazing, but you just gotback from Juarez.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
yesterday we were talking upstairs before we
recorded, because we weretalking about your message that
you gave today.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yes, and I pressed pause on the whole thing and was
saying you know what?
We need to talk about this?
so others can hear it, because Ithink it's good and impactful.
And the message we talked abouttoday at church was on hope and
about our hope and Jesus is thehope of the world and we need
that hope and that a lot of usare living of the things of this
(03:39):
world.
And marriages can be a part ofthat, where we put too much hope
in our spouse, which we weshould have hope in our marriage
.
I have hope in our marriage,but it's not the foundation and
the basis of it all, and thatthe true hope comes from the
power of Jesus and what he isable to offer the Bible says in
his name will be the hope of theworld, and that's what it was
(04:01):
all about.
And then you began talkingabout Juarez and your
devotionals and I said you knowwhat Press pause?
We got to talk about this forothers to hear because it's that
impactful.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I just hope the outcome, because you don't even
know where I was going to finish.
You're like stop, this is apodcast, let's go down there
right now.
Totally was.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And no, I have no idea where this is going.
I don't know what you're goingto say, where this is going to
finish, but we were talkingabout your devotional, so if
this, sucks, it's on you.
Totally Because we will notmake it if it's bad, and what
sparked the conversation is wewere talking about hope in
church today.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And Proverbs 13,.
12 says that a hope deferredmakes the heart sick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that was kind of the general theme you would say
throughout the message and wetalked about how deferred hope
and we want things and we hopefor things and we pray for
things and we believe thingsthat could happen, and whether
it's our relationship or ourfinances or the bank account, or
around Christmas season, theholidays that experience, we put
our hope in so many things butsometimes it feels like God is
(05:04):
just pushing things on along,like he's brushed off my prayers
, he doesn't care about me, andthat is what truly makes the
heart sick.
And as we talked about that, Igave this example of a study
that was done in the 1960s withdogs, and I had heard this from
Craig Rochelle gave this kind ofexample and illustration.
(05:26):
I was like man, that's strong.
Yeah, it was so sad.
It's very sad, it's very strong, but the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Our son when you were sitting, when you're speaking
about this, he was sitting nextto me and he kept looking at me
like huh.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Cash was devastated.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean his heart.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He even told me on the way home.
That's why I tried to prefaceit.
Hey, if you're a dog person,don't get mad at me.
I didn't do this.
But in the 1960s a scientistjust the CliffsNotes version was
doing a study and he had two.
He had dogs, sets of dogs, intwo separate cages.
One cage dogs get shocked.
He puts a lever in, dogsshocking stops.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
They don't know that the lever stops it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But they discover, hey, if I push this, I'm no
longer being shocked.
That's great.
And they do this day after dayand the dogs learn that learned
behavior of hey, I just pushedthe lever, shocking stops.
The other cage, the dogs samething were getting shocked.
There was no lever, so justconstantly, no matter what they
did, they're being shocked.
And what they learned is that,hey, this is just my life, this
(06:23):
is my lot in life, this is whatI am.
It's never going to get anybetter than this.
I'm just going to live in aperpetual state of being shocked
.
So the scientist took the twosets of dogs, he put them into
this one big cage and he hadthis little wall in the center.
And they're all started on oneside.
They're all being shocked again.
And what he found was that thedogs who were shocked with the
lever, they were running aroundand they were doing everything
they possibly could to find thatrelief.
(06:45):
And when they got over to theother side of the wall, the
shocking stopped.
But those other dogs, who allthey knew was being shocked,
there was no way to stop it.
They didn't even make anattempt to go to the other side
of the wall.
They saw what the other dogswere doing, made no attempt,
because they knew that this ismy lot in life, this is who I am
, this is all it's going to be,and they just stayed there.
(07:05):
And what the scientists learnedwas that this was what they
called a learned hopelessness,and that I believe most of us
walk around with a learnedhopelessness of this is my lot
in life.
This is how it's going to be,this is all that I get, and that
began you sparking the thoughtand the conversation of what
happened in Juarez and what youexperienced and what you saw,
(07:28):
and questions you had anddiscussions that you guys had
together who are on this missiontrip.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So yeah, take it from there.
I don't know if I'm going to beable to reenact all the exact
words that I was telling you,it's good enough.
But that Verse it's Proverbs 13, 12.
Hope deferred makes the heartsick.
But there's another part ofthat verse.
(07:57):
That's just the first half ofthat verse.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That is the first half, and that's why I brought
it back At.
The end of the message wasthere's more to this than that.
So what is that?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The second part is but a dream fulfilled is a tree
of life yes, so when thathappened, that you said dogs
could see what was going on overhere, and these dogs were just
laying down.
They were doing nothing, whichmade me think of juarez, because
(08:40):
el paso is where we go tocrossover in New Mexico, because
you can't tell them apart.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They're neighbors.
They're right there, next toeach other.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But you on either side, the downtown part of El
Paso, there's a big bridge thatyou can cross over into El Paso
and you can see there'shigh-rise buildings in el paso.
So if you go up in thosebuildings you can literally look
(09:12):
over into juarez and see what'sgoing on.
You only have to havebinoculars.
It's that close but there's nodifferent from what's going on
over in Juarez that you can'tsee all the big high rise type
of things in El Paso right there, knowing that some people can't
cross over, they might be thereand thinking they're just there
(09:38):
.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Kind of like the dogs .
The dogs, they're just there.
They see the other dogs, well,yeah, yeah, that's there, but
that's.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I don't deserve this yes, so I'm going to take you
through my.
Anyone who loves someone thathas adhd and not everybody has
the same type of adhd, but anadhd brain okay here, buckle up
everybody, here we go this is.
I'm very thankful for all ofthose that love me, knowing that
(10:10):
I don't think it's a.
I don't think it's bad.
I think we are just the onesthat have my brain's type that
are constantly going, they'redoing, doing.
They cannot stop.
We are the ones that have tohave all the medication to reel
us in to focus on the one thingso we can actually get things
(10:33):
done, instead of having massivethings going on at one time.
I feel like that is literallyour house.
There's so many oh well, Ididn't get to finish this, I got
to go back and do this.
Oh, I started over here.
Oh well, I didn't get to finishthis, I got to go back and do
this.
Oh, I started over here.
It's a lot for people,especially if you're OCD.
You can't understand what'sgoing on with us constantly
(10:55):
because there's different typesof ADHD.
I know that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But we are.
Yes, it can be a little chaoticat times.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's organized chaos.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It is, and the thing is pretty much.
Only you recognize theorganization and the chaos.
Sometimes now, because we'vebeen together for so long and
I've learned you, I can see thechaos, the organization in it
sometimes, but yes, to a lot.
It can look like a what in theheck is going?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
on here and it looks like a massive mess.
But if somebody takes one thingout of my mess I instantly know
oh, who's been in here, who'stouched my stuff.
Like the biggest issue we haveat this house right now are
scissors.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Listen, our daughter.
I know who it is.
She steals scissors like crazy,but you know that reminds of
Jesus and the woman at the wellNot the woman at the well, but
the woman with the issue ofblood.
Yes, and they're walkingthrough this huge crowd and it's
chaos and it's nuts and it'sgoing crazy.
And she touches just the bottomof his robe, the hem of his
garment.
Not him, just the clothes andJesus immediately recognizes and
(12:00):
says who touched me and hisdisciples are like I mean, what
are you talking?
Do you not see all the peoplearound us?
Every single person here istouched you multiple times.
What in the world are youtalking about?
That's what that reminds me of,because you recognize it right
away.
Nobody else can.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But that part of my brain, the end of this, what is
it?
Proverbs 12, 13, 12 hope makesthe hope deferred, makes the
heart sick.
Second part here.
But a dream fulfilled is a treeof life.
(12:41):
Every single time I go toJuarez at the orphanage, there's
this gorgeous tree and it's inthe back of the orphanage where
all the kids play.
And there has not been a timewhen I've been to juarez that I
have not climbed this tree thisis true so there's that spark
(13:03):
that made me think of juarezalready thinking of juarez
because the border with the dogsthey can see over and they
finally get over, but they don'treally know what to do.
In that moment I felt like Iwas the dog with the shocked
collar that could stop the lever, I could stop it, but jumping
(13:24):
over it completely killed it.
But when I get over I see allof the other dogs who just
accept it.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
This is my life.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm just.
That made me think of thechildren, Juarez.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
These are the cars that I've been dealt and there's
nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm going to be happy about it.
This is just what it is.
That can go for any situation.
Honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, I mean that's that's.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But this was just.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's a real situation.
We do that all the time with.
It's just dumb little things Imean we you know people who are
very into it just found out lastcouple hours that alabama did
not make the college footballplayoff.
And guess what?
There are people who arethinking that that is the most
devastating thing in the worldright now, like how in the world
can Alabama not make it?
This is Bama we're talkingabout here.
(14:13):
How could SMU get in over there?
And what in the world is goingon?
This is just how it is from nowon.
Saban's gone and this is goingto be our lot in life forever as
an Alabama fan.
Two completely differentextremes, but similar
circumstances.
One is real life and one isstupid who is smu?
(14:34):
uh, southern methodist, they'rein texas.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Cool, very cool somebody I've never heard of
getting in there.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That makes you want to watch football it does a
little bit, so I'm changing itup a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Anyways, it's the same premise, but of that you
had said something else I havelearned hopelessness starred,
and then an arrow to Proverbs 13, 12.
And then you finished with butfor those that are just still
(15:10):
laying there, you can't just laythere because revolution, uh,
revelations 22 proves that hopeis still an option, because
Jesus says I will return.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes, I, I.
Jesus says I am coming soon.
Yes, Jesus said I'm coming backCause you know, for the old
Testament forever, the thesavior's coming, messiah's
coming, he's coming.
He Testament forever theSavior's coming, messiah's
coming, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming.
The dude never shows up untilone day Jesus is born.
He comes, he's there.
The arrival of Jesus, the hopeof the Savior of the world is
here, and hope is restored forso many people in that moment,
(15:41):
during that time.
Well, for us, we can think ofit as well.
Jesus already came, it's over.
What do I have to hope for?
But jesus says I am coming soon, he's coming back so excuse me.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So there was another great quote that you said that
in your message today.
I don't know who said it.
I don't even know if you saidwho said it, because I was
really interested in getting theexact quote and said I don't
know who said it, but it was.
God must love ordinary peoplebecause there's so many of them.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, that was.
I heard that.
I'm not sure who the originalsaid, but I heard that from
coach Jim Valvano, the NC statebasketball coach, and one of the
speeches that he was giving ina presentation or a talk, and it
was someone when he was youngerwho he looked up to and he said
it kind of destroyed himbecause he's thinking
extraordinary.
But yes, god must have lovedordinary people because he made
(16:40):
so many of them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, that also got me thinking, because I know I'm
far from ordinary.
I don't necessarily go aroundand go.
Oh well, I'm unique and you'renot.
I don't necessarily tell peopleall my things.
Now that you've done a podcast,people know.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
People know some things.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But you also ask the question how are you doing
spiritually?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Like for real, for real.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Like is it good, Is it bad?
Because the time of year it'sChristmas.
Here in the States People get alittle depressed, they do.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And they also think you know it's Christmas.
People are more in tune withJesus and church.
We call them CEOs Christmas andEaster only, but it's a reality
.
Yes, the CEOs the Christmas andEaster's only, but yes yes.
People are very depressed thistime of year.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And maybe that's why for the past eight years can't
believe it's been eight yearsI've been going to RS At
Christmas time.
I mean I've been going toJuarez at Christmas time.
I mean I've been at differenttimes, but this is so humbling
and I've had our kids go.
Are we getting underwear forChristmas again?
(18:04):
Socks and underwear.
Now we love getting socks fromGigi and Pops.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Bombas, socks are next level.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I found something out about Bombas on this mission
trip that made me love Bombaseven more.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I had no idea.
When you buy a pair, theydonate a pair.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're like Tom's shoes.
I didn't know that either.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I love them even more .
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That makes me love Bomba socks even more.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Because we give out socks.
And someone who had never beenon the mission trip before he
was telling us about socks.
It was Daniel Oldham, I'm goingto call him out.
And he said if we're doingsocks, I wish I would have known
we have a ton of Bomba socks.
I was like Bomba socks, how doyou have a ton?
(18:57):
He goes Brother Brian Mission,they are given Bombas gives them
.
I said are you serious?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
they give them.
He said they're the ones thatyou buy a pair.
They donate a pair.
I said I love Bombas.
I will continue to buy my $13to $18 pair of Bombas.
That's first world problemsright there.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But knowing that somebody else is going to get a
pair.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Someone else who cannot afford them, who cannot
get them, because they give themto Brother Brian.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Brother Brian is a ministry here in Alabama that
helps people go and recover.
Yes, and on Sunday morningsthey get to come to our church.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, it's an amazing ministry that's helped so many
people.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So I've heard our kids are we going to get that
again?
But the kids that get socksthey're not even new package
socks.
We rip the packages open andfold them up and give them to
these kids.
They're just beyond gratefulfor a pair of socks.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Where us in the United States like you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I got socks, socks.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I wanted the new iPhone and you got me socks.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I wanted a PS5.
You got me socks.
Yes, a PS5, you got me socks,yes.
So continuing with my ADHDbrain made me think why.
No wonder people are sodepressed this time of year.
They're having to worry aboutgiving somebody something or not
(20:30):
having enough to give somebody.
But we are so horrible we don'teven appreciate the things that
we have like this.
This is the coolest setup.
I mean, I'm sure that there'sother podcasts out there that
have all the fancy things but,you do all of this stuff.
(20:50):
You've done the microphones,you've done the cameras, you've
done.
I mean, I ordered these butright, we had pace, make this.
But we don't have to have thisto have a podcast.
You just be us doing something.
This is something I'm gratefulfor that we have this kind of
(21:11):
space in our basement to setthis type of stuff up.
I just left a place where kidshave dirt as floor.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They have holes in their walls to the outside.
You showed me a picture ofsomeone's bathroom.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
They don't have running water.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
One.
They don't have running water,but they're just like cinder
block walls and they had ajacket shoved and a spot that
was not able to be closed inbecause it's just a hold to the
outside.
They got a jacket that shovedin there.
You're right, I mean that's.
We've got to be incrediblygrateful for what we have.
You know, we think we have itbad, which I don't want to
(21:46):
discount people's struggles.
I mean they're real yeah, butbut they're nothing.
You think we have it bad.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Nothing, nothing You're going through compares to
what the people in the state ofChudad are going through Right,
especially in Juarez.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Because those kids are grateful.
Well, no, those kids in Juarez,yes, because those kids are
grateful.
When they see these crazy whitepeople walking in.
They're like they give you hugsbecause they're not getting
hugged enough.
They're getting molested,they're getting raped, they're
getting sold for sex, becausetheir parents want money because
(22:32):
most people make for us.
Now found this out that amonthly uh salary type or an
income for a family in that partof Juarez $200 a month a month
for us.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Wow, that's, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I had more than $200 in my pocket cash.
That's one family's monthlyincome.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That's wild, so it'd be easy to see where.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I understand why people cross the border.
Oh totally, especiallyillegally, because you're going
to get paid in cash that's goingstraight back to their family,
because everything that they'redoing and making here is, I
think it's One US dollar equalsroughly 20 pesos.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So that adds up very quickly.
I got a Diet Coke and aSnickers bar.
Ask me how much that cost me.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How much did that cost?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
$1.50.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
$1.50.
You can't get a Diet Coke for$1.50.
I can't get a Diet Coke.
I can't get a candy that cost$1.50.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
$1.50.
You can't get a Diet Coke for$1.50.
I can't get a Diet Coke.
I can't get a candy bar herefor $1.50.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I can get a candy bar from the school.
That's the off-brand kindbecause they're doing a
fundraiser for $1.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yes, they're good, but not Snickers.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Not Snickers nor Diet .
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Next level, oh my God , next level.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Anyways.
So things like that made methink of when we went back at
the end of when we were doingstuff for the kids during the
day we would have Christmasparties and for them everything.
We would have dinner at the endof the day.
All the kids that had left wewere at the orphanage.
We would have dinner and thenwe would have devotion, and so I
(24:26):
was so excited because hungercallous.
This year we had pamphlets, Iguess which is awesome and a
daily thing, because we diddevotions daily together.
We would talk about, we would doa whoop and a poop.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What's a whoop and a poop?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
a whoop is something that Whoop, whoop.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay Was good.
I would say a poop is bad.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And a poop is bad.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, okay.
I've never heard that before,that's been, but it was great.
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Everybody had to go around A whoop and a poop.
We sit in a circle andeverybody has.
Someone would start and there'syou gotta give your whoop and
your poop.
I our questions.
So I'm going to go to the pagethat made me think of this with
what you said how are you doingspiritually?
(25:14):
This was day two for us and thequestion is, in as few words as
possible, describe your stateof your spiritual walk.
As few words as possible,describe your state of your
spiritual walk, because Iliterally have you said to ask
yourself how are you doingspiritually?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I mean really ask yourself, because we love to
give that to save faces.
Oh great man, everything's good.
Yeah, fine, I went to church acouple times, yeah talk to God.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I know Jesus is my king.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Really, though, be honest with yourself.
How are you doing spiritually?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
My answer, I said in as few words as possible,
describe your state of yourspiritual walk, Ready for my I'm
ready, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Constant, strong, tested more than ever expected
and intimate that in the tested,more than ever expected, was I
mean, that's real?
Yeah, because a lot of peoplewill think well, you know you,
you know jesus, you're gonna yougive your life to jesus, you're
gonna be a christian.
Uh, things smooth sailing fromthere.
No, it it's not.
(26:23):
It's nice and easy, life isgood.
Could not be further from thetruth.
In fact, it can be moredifficult as a Christian than
not.
I mean Jesus.
It's not like we should besurprised, right?
He says in this world, you'regoing to have trouble, but he
also says hey, remember theyhated me first, the people will
hate you.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And that's absolutely the truth, does not mean life
is all easy when you give life,to give your life to jesus.
Well, what you just said goesperfectly into the question that
they asked the next day, and Ididn't write anything down
because this was super easy forme.
The question is what is yourbiggest challenge in leading
others to jesus?
I was like I'll go first me,pick me, pick me easy one.
I got it because everybody justwent yeah, that's one of those
don't make the eye contact.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't want to have to answer those moments when
you're at school, in your class,the teacher asks the question.
You're just like, don't lookher in the eye.
Look anywhere I possibly can,just don't.
Don't call on me because Idon't want to answer this
question right, but I was oh, oh, oh just like monica geller
from france yes, pick me, pickme, pick me.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes.
Uh, was that when they didtheir book?
Yes, the book club phoebe,phoebe, yes and rachel.
I know, I know, I know, yeah,anybody besides monica.
Yes, that was that moment, yes,but of course I was the only
one that was that moment yes butof course, I was the only one
that was willing to go first.
I didn't have to write anythingdown because it says what is the
(27:53):
biggest challenge, what is yourbiggest challenge in leading
others to Jesus?
I don't have one.
I am a walking, talking,talking billboard.
People that know me know Iwould love my identifier to be
oh, she follows Jesus.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That will conclude our first half of our
conversation on your trip toJuarez.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Sorry for talking too much.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Hey, that's okay, it's a conversation.
That was great, that was needed.
We hope that you got somethingout of it.
We do want to mention, if thisdoes anything for you, if this
impacted you in any way HungerHouse International.
They're an incredibleorganization, incredible
ministry.
We know Ethan and LindsayEverson before they ever even
did this, before they weremarried.
We'll have a link to that foryou just to see the amazing work
(28:41):
that they are doing.
It's absolutely unbelievableand honored that we get to do
that.
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