Marvel Champions Summer: Age of Apocalypse

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Christian (00:02):
Hi, I'm Christian.

Angela (00:03):
And I'm Angela and we are married.

Christian (00:06):
And bored hey everybody.
Welcome to another episode.

Angela (00:22):
That was a big sigh.

Christian (00:23):
Well, I mean it was a lot to say and I'm very excited
about tonight.

Angela (00:27):
Okay, christian is very excited.
We have not only anotherepisode of Marvel Champions.

Christian (00:34):
Summer.
That's right, we are in our.
Is it called the penultimateepisode?

Angela (00:38):
Yeah.

Christian (00:39):
Yep, which means second to last Correct, until
you say there's another one,probably right.

Angela (00:43):
Yeah, I really.
It's just Christian doeswhatever I want.
Okay, so Love you.
So we are in the penultimateepisode of the Marvel Champions
Summer, yes, and we have guests.

Christian (00:57):
We do.
We have guests today.
Everybody put your handstogether and welcome.
We should do like an openingceremonies thing because the
Olympics are on right now.
We can play their nationalanthems or their favorite songs,
whatever, and introduce them.
But we have Mike and Steve herefrom the Critical Encounters
podcast, friends of the showthey're two thirds of the show

(01:24):
are joining us.
One of their members is off.
You know, fighting heroesbecause you don't fight villains
, right guys?
You're the villains fightingthe heroes on your show.

Mike (01:34):
That's true, and thank you so much for putting us on the
penultimate episode, becausethat's usually the movie where
the villain wins.

Angela (01:41):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Yeah, oh yeah, that's true,yeah well, welcome, welcome guys
.

Christian (01:46):
Uh, we appreciate you guys being here to talk age of
apocalypse.
Um, who's a pretty bad villainI would say.
Right, when you think of x-men,you think of maybe like three
big bads and I would say he'susually top three, would you
guys?

Steve (02:02):
agree, yeah, he's definitely up there as one of
the uh ultimates.
So I mean, if you watch any ofthe 90s cartoon he shows up all
the time thwarting them.
He his movie appearanceshaven't been so great, uh, but
in the comics yeah, I meanthere's like a whole age of
apocalypse set of comics.
He's a big time villain, yeahbig he is.

Christian (02:24):
He is one of my favorites, probably from the 90s
cartoon, and he has a little, alittle uh, not spoiler, but
cameo, I guess, in x-men 97.
So he's, he's coming.
Oh yeah, but I haven't seen ityet.

Steve (02:39):
I'm looking forward to.

Christian (02:39):
I've been uh re-watching all the original
x-men cartoons so that I canlike roll into it fresh, okay,
yeah so I I was thinking aboutdoing that, and then I started
it, and it does get kind of likelong-winded at times, I felt,
and so I found a youtube videothat was like 20 minutes recap,
and that's the former one, yeah,and that's that's what I

(03:02):
watched but well, also, I meanprobably like a year or two ago,
like with our kids, you watchedall of them, that's true.

Steve (03:10):
I mean, I did that.
I have eight more to go, eightmore to go.
I'm almost there, okay.
Yeah, you're almost there.

Christian (03:18):
So let's just start our show, like we start the show
every time, just kind of saywhat's up.
Every time.
Just kind of say what's up.
And guys, we just want to hearabout, like kind of, what you've
been up to this summer, whetherthat's board games, vacations
you've took.
And then I thought it'd be kindof fun to talk about our
initial reactions on the newMarvel Champions expansion

(03:38):
announcement from Gen.

Angela (03:39):
Con yes, so why?

Christian (03:40):
don't we just start with Mike.
Mike, what's up?
What's been going?

Mike (03:44):
on All right.
Oh, my goodness, it's been kindof a weird summer, but I just
got back a week ago from Norwayand Iceland.
It was fantastic.
We went to see the fjords.
We saw fjords and 100,000puffins and I got attacked by
Arctic tern and for the few ofyou out there that know what
Arctic tern are, you're laughingright now.
If you're in the same time zoneas one of their nests, they get

(04:07):
vicious, but they're beautifulbirds.
So you hold a stick above yourhead so they attack your stick
instead of you and just beforethey dive, bomb you.
You get a really good look atthem.
And these things migrate fromIceland to the Antarctic and
back every year.
They're just amazing creatures.
Every year they're just amazingcreatures.

Christian (04:24):
That's something they teach you is to hold a stick
above your head so that theydon't get you.

Mike (04:28):
Yeah, they said go to the bucket, pick up a stick.
It's not for hitting the birds,it's for just yeah.

Angela (04:35):
Self-defense only.

Mike (04:38):
That was fantastic.
So that was my non-gaming, andthen just the usual gaming.
I'm heavily involved in all ofthe LCGs, the Marvel Champions,
arkham Horror and Lord of theRings.
There's a couple conventionscoming up in the fall that I'm
going to hit up.
Okay, yeah, which ones are yougoing to?
I'm going to BusterCon and thenCon of the Rings.

(05:00):
Con of the Rings.

Steve (05:03):
Ooh, they're almost back to back.
And Con of the Rings, con ofthe Rings.
Ooh, they're almostback-to-back.
Mike is a host of a MarvelChampions podcast.
Critical Encounters yes, he'snot come to the Marvel Champions
convention, but he goes to theother two conventions.

Mike (05:16):
It was badly timed.

Steve (05:19):
Yeah, I mean talk about being a villain, Mike.
Come on, this is public shaming, yeah this is a penultimate
episode.

Christian (05:24):
Someone has to be the villain.

Mike (05:25):
That's what they expect me to do, steve, I know.

Christian (05:28):
Okay, I think he probably has secret podcasts.

Angela (05:32):
Yeah.

Mike (05:33):
That's what he has.
Sometimes I do spring a secretepisode on him.

Christian (05:40):
Just a Lord of the Rings recap from the past year,
or whatever.
That's great.
Norway is a place that we wantto go.

Angela (05:49):
I have been.

Christian (05:49):
You got to go in high school.

Angela (05:51):
I got to go in high school, which is great, but I
wish I would experience it muchdifferently as an adult.
I think I want to go back.
That's where our ancestors arefrom.

Christian (06:04):
Oh lovely, be Vikings .
Yeah, I'd go back, that's whereour ancestors are from, so we'd
you know.
Oh lovely, Be Vikings and dostuff.

Mike (06:08):
Yeah, I'd go back.

Christian (06:08):
That was great.
Yeah, that sounds like a really, really fun trip.
Steve, how about you?
What's been going on thissummer with you?

Steve (06:15):
So I did a week of summer camp.
It's not as good as Iceland andNorway, but, uh, yep, went
camping with the kids for a week.
I'm big into like the scouting,uh activities, so we've been
doing that and playing a ton ofMarvel champions, um, as well as
Imperial assault.
My group plays that.

(06:37):
We've been working our waythrough every single mission.
Um, one of our guys is a reallynice painter of the minis, so
all the minis are always fullypainted so that helps, that
helps, so fun I mean that helpsso much so

Christian (06:50):
much yeah, yeah, do you like?
Do you?
What character are you playing?
Do you like switch it up everytime?
Are you always?

Steve (06:57):
yeah, we play different characters based on the
campaigns.
We just finished Twinsons,which was a lot of tattooing
stuff, and I played a basecharacter.
We've basically now playedevery single.
In our group somebody hasplayed every single hero at
least once, so we're starting torotate around through and it

(07:18):
turns out a lot of the baseheroes are just so much better
than the expansion heroes.
It's like the opposite of PowerCreep and you would think that
wouldn't be the case, but itdefinitely is.

Christian (07:29):
Yeah, that's one that we own.

Angela (07:31):
Oh yeah, we still do.

Christian (07:33):
We still do.
It's in the garage Just forsome reason.
For us, like the dungeon crawlyaspect of it just doesn't.
It doesn't hit.

Steve (07:44):
Yeah, and that one is not fully cooperative.
Right, you have your up to fourplayers, but then you have your
emperor playing the empire.
The bad guys.
And the game is definitelyskewed towards the heroes.
We lament the villains on ourpodcast but really Imperial
Assault is very much skewed awayfrom the villains in that game.

(08:07):
So you, if you're gonna run thegame, you have to be willing to
accept like a dungeon masterrole, like you're telling the
story, and take those couplewins when you get them, because,
yeah, that guy loses all thetime all the time beat up on
yeah, occasionally he'll put outa set of here.
Here's a whole bunch of eliteheavy stormtroopers and we kill
them off in like one activation.

Angela (08:29):
It just looks dejected like sorry man well, it's so,
because that's so opposite ofthe movies, you know, it's like
they're always the underdog, therebellion.
That's funny.
Um, what's up with you,christian?

Christian (08:43):
well, um nothing new just okay no, just normal,
normal things.
Kids are back in school.
It's hot as heck in arizona, so, uh, we don't go outside
anymore.
Um, never, try to stay inside.
I've been, uh, into star warsunlimited a little bit.
Got some packs while we're onvacation, so that's fun.

(09:04):
Uh, I do, admittedly, need toplay it more, and I've said on
this show.

Steve (09:08):
It's a rabbit hole, man.

Christian (09:10):
Yeah, and I've said on this show before, in terms of
Marvel Champions, I'm not goodat deck building.
In this game you have to deckbuild in Unlimited, and so I
just I can't sit.
I can't get myself to sit downand actually make a deck to play
other than the ones that arelike the pre-constructed ones.

Steve (09:28):
So you know.
Whatever, take advantage ofthose online resources to net
deck something you know to getyou moving.

Angela (09:35):
Yes.

Steve (09:35):
Then you don't have all the cards like an LCG, you just
have all the cards.
So you can go to Marvel CDB.
You can say I want to play thenew Jubilee, who has a deck
Great.
You can say I want to play thenew jubilee who has a deck great
.
Yes, copy them and play, andthat's, that's great.
That is a good way to playthese games.
But with star wars unlimited,you might not have the cards
they're telling you to put inthis deck because you haven't
bought enough packs yet orwhatever.

(09:56):
Yeah, that's hard that's.

Christian (09:57):
That's the hard part too.
So I did.
I did find some rare ones and Iam trying to sell them, so
that's been fun.
I have no bytes, so that hasn'tbeen fun.

Steve (10:10):
But just waiting for someone.

Christian (10:11):
What was?

Steve (10:12):
that I think there's a site TCG Player.
Yeah, that's where they are.

Christian (10:16):
Yep, ok, I think.
When I got them I put them onthe high end of the market value
and the market value hasdropped even further and I just
haven't adjusted yet.
So you gotta adjust supply anddemand.
You know I'm learning economicsas I play board look at you, so
good job yeah angela, whatabout you?

Angela (10:33):
um, I've been playing a lot of marvel champions.
I feel like that is just my, uh, summer thing and I can get the
kids into it.
Um, when the kids are with it,christians usually not because
we don't like playing fourplayer.
Yeah, it's just too slow.
But, um, yeah, I've.

(10:55):
I've been really liking that.

Christian (10:57):
So I usually hover.
Yeah, you hover, hover and help.

Angela (11:00):
Um, but no, I I feel like that's been all consuming.
You've been playing a littlebit of the mandalorian adventure
oh, that's right.

Christian (11:10):
Yeah, that's very uh, imperial salt-esque I know it's
like light.
Yes, what is this game?
It's called the mandalorianadventures.
Um it is think of.
What is that game?
Jaws of the lion, like um.
Gloomhaven, like the, thesmaller version of gloomhaven,
but um and um mixed withimperial salt yeah, yeah,

(11:35):
there's no minis.
It's just all cardboard and it's.
It has the book that has themaps in it.
So that's how it's, like jawsof the lion-esque um.
So yeah, it it's by UnexpectedGames, and so they did 3000.
Scoundrels is a funny one thatwe have, and they did Voices.
My Head it's Corey Canizia isthe guy who owns and runs

(11:57):
Unexpected Games.
He did a lot for Fantasy Flightback in the day, yeah, but yeah
, check it out if you're a StarWars fan.

Steve (12:04):
It's been pretty good.

Christian (12:04):
It and I on my radar yeah, our son and myself have
enjoyed that so the big news isno one here went to Gen Con I
don't.
Yeah, that's unfortunate, butit had it just wrapped up a
couple days ago yeah, so theannouncement you mentioned yeah,
we agents of shield agents ofshield just like wow.
just like wow, yep.

(12:25):
Just like the show, right Likethe new Marvel champions
expansion.
I was always curious on wherethey're going to go next with,
with the, with the game afterX-Men.
I think everyone knew that ageof apocalypse was probably the
last X-Men box.
I think everybody thoughtfantastic four was kind of like
the natural way to go, but Ithink I was very surprised.

(12:45):
So it'd be cool to get yourguys' reactions to that and what
you think overall on whatpossibly could be coming down
the road for this game.

Mike (12:53):
Alright, well, I'll start because Steve can definitely
expand on what I'm going to saybecause I saw Agents of SHIELD
for the first time four days ago, the TV show or the
announcement oh, the tv showokay okay, it seems pretty good,
yeah, so I'm going to stickwith it for a bit, but in terms

(13:14):
of what I'm expecting, I want tosee some mockingbird because,
if anyone reads comics, theself-titled series was released
in 2016.
It's a six-issue series ofMockingbird.
It is fantastic, and I thinkthat alone deserves her a spot
somewhere, somewhere beyond thatbasic ally we got in the core

(13:34):
set.

Christian (13:34):
Yeah, the one card everyone used for two and a half
years.

Angela (13:38):
Yeah she still comes into my eyes.

Mike (13:41):
Yeah, but I think it's exciting because I'm not a huge
Fantastic Four man myself.
I think a lot of people arealso expecting Defenders.

Angela (13:52):
Yeah, that's what I was expecting.

Mike (13:55):
Maybe because they just really want to play Daredevil,
yeah, and if you just think ofwhat's coming down the pipe in
terms of movies and TV.

Christian (14:02):
Fantastic Four and Daredevil are getting reboots
like, oh are they?
It makes sense, okay, but Idon't know yeah it's kind of fun
to see quote unquote normalpeople as hero.
You know, like sure they'reagents of shield, so they have,
you know, powers, so to say.

Mike (14:21):
But yeah, it does seem like they're trying to go a
little bit back to street level.
I say street level kind ofshields, a bit different.
But uh, yeah, you're right.
Just the non-powered people arethe people who are just
extraordinary.

Steve (14:33):
They're not mutants, they're not right, we might get
somebody like a quake um, whodoes have powers but works for
shield and wasn't like spideyand some of his friends or the
champions, didn't?
They work with shield at acertain point in the comics, so
maybe I feel like everyone getsome of those guys again right

(14:55):
like no, but I would captainamerica slash falcon, like the
falcon version of captainamerica.

Christian (15:04):
That seems very shieldy.

Steve (15:06):
Yeah, that feels shieldy.
I mean if we don't get a NickFury in the Agents of SHIELD,
then yeah, no, we need a NickFury.

Mike (15:14):
We are, though, right.
They showed us the silhouettes.
One of them is definitely NickFury.
Right Two silhouettes.

Steve (15:21):
I mean it could be Nick Fury.
It seems like it's Nick Fury,but they've hit this before
right.
Like everybody said beast,beast, beast.
And we got Magneto now they do.

Mike (15:32):
The one thing they've always done is they've always
split the roster.
It's half male, half female andI don't see them changing that
up now.
And that other silhouette hadno idea who it was, no idea
you're talking like Maria Hillthem changing that up now and
that other silhouette had noidea who it was.

Steve (15:47):
No idea.
Right, you're talking likeMaria Hill Quake.
Oh, maybe it's Maria HillWalking Bird.
I like the TV series.
You have the Fitzsimmonscharacters.
Now I don't know how much theTV series FFG can like.
Who owns the TV series?
Is that right, is he?

Mike (16:07):
Is that Marvel?
Is that what do the yeah allow?

Steve (16:08):
them to use, right, can I mean this mike?
This is a spoiler for way downalong the seasons, but there's a
shotgun axe that I really hopewe get.
Uh, from the tv show one of thecharacter uses oh, it's a half
shotgun, half axe and I'm like Iwant one of those how does that
work?
oh uh, it's basically an axeunderneath the barrel, it's like
a bayonet, but it's an accenthead on the bottom.

(16:30):
Uh, it's great, it's.
It's so, it's great for the tvshow.
It's a lot of fun.
I'm like that was my firstthought, like when they said
agents of shield, like shotgunaxe some sort of attachment, it
better be in there.

Christian (16:43):
Yeah, I'm thinking maria hill, if if you go for
like two like quote commanders,and like she pairs well with
nick fury, just because theyalways are working together, at
least in the movies, comics, notall the time, but but she's
such a jerk which is thedirector of shield at a point in
the comics right, so like yeah,yeah, um and that's another one

(17:03):
of those ally cards that we gotearly on that we everybody use
like great leadership ally, sothere's a chance to give us a
hero version of it.

Mike (17:13):
So Okay, if it's not fury, who is it?
Is it Colson?
Oh, yeah.

Christian (17:20):
Colson would be cool.
It'd be interesting.
Could you tell, like I haven'tlooked at the silhouette in a
while.
Could you tell, is it like thebald man, Nick Fury, or is it
like the classic flat top?

Steve (17:33):
Nick Fury.
Sr or Jr right, yeah, right.

Mike (17:37):
Whoever it is, is either wearing a skull cap or is bald.

Steve (17:41):
Is it the David Hasselhoff, Nick Fury?

Mike (17:44):
or is it the?

Steve (17:45):
Samuel L jackson, nick fury, right, right, like who
knows it's exciting, um, I Iwonder what other hero packs.

Christian (17:54):
Or even, well, let's talk about villains, because you
guys are here, we shouldprobably do that.

Mike (17:57):
Oh, they showed um some aim soldiers, so that tells me
that like yes, I mean finally,finally, yeah.

Christian (18:07):
And I don't know what else you guys may have picked
up that I missed.

Steve (18:11):
Yeah, there was just that one picture.
People pointed out where youhad aim and maybe so that
suggests Modoc and the scientistSupreme shield versus Hydra is
a huge thing.
So maybe we go back to Hydrastuff.
Right, we don't have a BaronZemo villain, we have a oh
Nemesis.

Mike (18:29):
Yeah, there's a Nemesis.

Steve (18:31):
Yeah, yeah.

Christian (18:33):
Yeah, I feel like Zemo's a good one.

Steve (18:34):
The TV show agents of Shield.
They're pitted against Hydra alot.
So if they're banking off ofthat, you know.

Angela (18:43):
Yeah, don't get me wrong , I'm totally interested, but my
first thought was don't wealready have shield heroes like
jessica natasha?

Christian (18:54):
yeah, but maybe they'll just lean into that a
little bit more.
More combinations like oh, thatwould be nice they can do like
white widow, like she's, she'saround um, around, like from
whatever her name is the newBlack Widow, basically.

Steve (19:09):
Oh yeah, lena Belova, yeah, that's yeah.

Christian (19:12):
Yeah, kate Bishop, I don't know, does she work for
SHIELD ever?
That'd be kind of fun.
A new, a new Hawkeye.
I.

Mike (19:18):
I hope they don't only because her own universe is
still very cool and I want tosee that coming, okay.

Christian (19:24):
Right, yeah, right, I can see that too.
Yeah, there's a lot of, there'sa lot of fun ones.
I think I personally, like Iwould love to do like a
daredevil or Luke cage.
I think that'd be really cool,but yeah, I don't think.

Steve (19:39):
I don't think there'll be in this run.

Mike (19:41):
I think you have boxes of Defenders.

Steve (19:43):
You have boxes of Fantastic Four.
You have a box of theSupernaturals, like Elsa
Bloodstone.
Oh, like the creepy people, theguy in the motorcycle with the
flaming skull.

Mike (19:55):
I can't think of his name Ghost Rider, yeah, ghost.

Steve (19:56):
Rider, you have all that we haven't touched on in the
game series.
There's a lot of room for otherboxes.
Midnight Suns.

Christian (20:06):
Midnight Suns game series.
Right there's, there's a lot ofroom for other boxes, or
midnight suns and suns.

Angela (20:10):
There you go you can go places wow, well they haven't
announced any of that.

Mike (20:12):
They haven't they haven't yeah, and there's some big
villains they they're missingout on too.
Like yeah, like who?

Christian (20:20):
uh, well, wilson fisk , oh, I mean like, yeah, of
course dr doom doom doom has tocome galactus.
I guess, right, like WilsonFisk, of course Doom Doom has to
come Galactus.
I guess he's a big guy.
How many times would you haveto unfold the Galactus card?

Steve (20:35):
Like an 8x11 piece of paper.

Mike (20:37):
You just keep going.
It's huge.
I'll have to ask Molly aboutthat.

Christian (20:43):
If you can get that idea going, that would be
amazing.

Angela (20:47):
Yeah, everyone just immediately dies when you unfold
.

Mike (20:52):
If you unfold to the full extent, everyone's dead.

Steve (20:56):
It's like the poster in the back of the pack.

Angela (20:59):
Exactly They've been preparing for this.
That's what.

Christian (21:02):
I'm going to do with the posters, finally.
Well, awesome guys, thanks forcatching up with us.
They've been preparing for this.
That's what I'm going to dowith the posters, finally.
Well, awesome guys, thanks forthe catching up with us, and
we're going to take just a quicklittle break here and then
we're going to jump in and diveinto the age of apocalypse thank
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Christian (21:54):
Well, guys, thanks again for being here, mike and
Steve.
But let's jump into Age ofApocalypse.
When this was announced, I wassuper excited, I think, like
most people were to getApocalypse Come to find out that
it comes with two pretty, Iwould say iconic heroes in the

(22:15):
X-Men world, with Bishop andMagic Angie.
You want to kick us off andtalk?
About either one of those orboth.

Angela (22:21):
Yeah, I mean, I love Bishop.
I think that I started out kindof rocky with learning how he
plays and then, uh again,another plug for marvel, um cdb
cbd okay, uh, don't go to thatone.
And he had a deck about I don'teven know what it was called,

(22:43):
energy something and just youknow, has so many resource cards
in his deck and I mean I lovethe playthrough of him, just
almost against every villainI've tried and magic I haven't
done.
Personally, I've seen herplayed by both you and um, my

(23:04):
son and daughter, so I I don't,I mean, I like, I like the twist
she has where she plays withthe top card of her deck, face
up, sure, um, but again, I don'tknow that that's like my style,
yeah.
So I'm curious to hear what, uh, you and uh and Steve and Mike

(23:25):
think about these two.

Steve (23:27):
I'll go first.
Let's talk about magic.
Real quick, girl Gandalf.

Mike (23:32):
Girl Gandalf.

Steve (23:32):
So we say that because if you play the Lord of the Rings
card game, gandalf hero playedwith the top card of the
encounter deck or the playerdeck face up and that's her
whole game and he's allowed toplay it.

Mike (23:44):
It's the same ability.

Steve (23:45):
Same thing.
Um, I think caleb designed bothcharacters, so that makes sense
.
Oh, there you go, yeah, I mean.
So anyone listening doesn'tknow her gimmick that the when
she's in hero form, the top cardof your deck is face up and you
can play it as if it was inyour hand, and she has ways to
swap cards with your hand forthe top deck and she has all
these different effects, likeone of them here mystical armor.

(24:07):
It's an upgrade.
And when it's out, it sayswhile the top card of your deck
has a energy or wild resource,she gets plus one defense.
So she has all these effectsthat will play off of that icon
that is on your top.
So you, you have to be payingclose attention, you have to be
sequencing.
Just right, she's not a hero.
I think that you can just sortof like Captain Mary can just be

(24:29):
like I punch and stand up, Ipunch and stand up, like you
have to really be payingattention.
But she can have some reallypowerful turns.
You can make these neat loops.
I'm the kind of player wholikes to fiddle around with my
stuff, even if I only make alittle bit of progress, but I do
100 different things, so she'slike right up my alley.
I really enjoy playing uh withher and you know her cards all

(24:52):
give these fun effects thatnothing's crazy over the top.
It's not like she deals 40damage, but you could just
sequence all these differentthings.

Christian (25:00):
So I really enjoy her what is your favorite aspect to
pair with magic?

Steve (25:05):
I think it's going to be aggression which she comes with,
or maybe justice, becauseleadership you can put on more
allies and things like that.
But that doesn't have that sameeffect of like.
Here's this event sitting thereor transfer event in and know
what's going to happen.
I don't know.
I like those two and I'm not ahuge aggression player, but she

(25:28):
seems to work well with it.
But Mike would probably.
Mike, do you find?
Have you played her inprotection?

Mike (25:33):
I actually haven't played her very much at all.
I like to try them with thepre-cons first so I get a feel
for them.
I got distracted heavily byBishop.

Angela (25:44):
Yep.

Mike (25:45):
I had the same kind of reaction that Angela did, like
it just turns deck building onits head and I just pulled up my
deck list.
I had 16 resources in that deck.

Angela (25:55):
Yeah.

Mike (25:55):
That's crazy.

Christian (25:56):
So you just have like energy, genius, strength, and
like all the double ones Bandtogether effective leadership
innovation.

Mike (26:04):
Yeah, Digging deep.
Yep, three copies of DiggingDeep.
It's just such a neat littledeck.
But yeah, actually I'm justpulling up Magic.
Now she's got a defense of two.
You can do something with thatin protection.

Steve (26:18):
The interesting thing with her in protection is her
ability is once per phase, soyou can have a protection card
on top of your player deck andit's in your hand.
So a lot of times theprotection's like oh, I don't
want to use this because then myhand size is smaller going into
the next phase.
In this case it's not becausethat card is just sitting there,
you play it and then anothercard is face up so you have that
for the next turn.
So she effectively always has aplus one hand size, which makes

(26:40):
her pretty powerful yeah, steve, you're.

Mike (26:42):
You're speaking to, speaking to my heart right there
.
That's why I picked up Gamora.
Initially, it was the whole ohonce per phase.
That's why I started using herin protection.

Angela (26:51):
Well, this makes me want to play Magic now.

Christian (26:53):
Yeah, I mean I think I played two games with her
pretty early on with the pre-conand I never do well with those.
I love Justice, so I try tomake a justice deck with any new
hero just to see how it goes.
And I think I did okay itwasn't awesome, but I also
didn't play more than one game,you know yeah, I think the

(27:15):
pre-con, I think, is a greatidea.

Steve (27:16):
You get the box, you get the pack, you open it up, you
can play a game, one or twogames, you kind of see it right.
And then now it's time to deckbuild, because a lot of times
the pre-cons have three ofsomething and really you only
want one of them in your deck orit's missing resource
generation or something alongthose lines.
But uh and she, she is muchbetter when you deck build with
her.

Christian (27:36):
So good right right well, let's take another look
for sure uh, yeah, I will.

Angela (27:42):
Um, okay.
And then, along with bishop andmagic being introduced in this
set, we've also got the wholeidea of side missions being
introduced in this campaign.

Mike (27:52):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Angela (27:54):
So side missions basically represent for anyone
who doesn't know or hasn't duginto the Age of Apocalypse box.
They represent like, okay,there's a big fight going on
here with the main villain, butthere's also like fights around
the world, you know.
So there's other fights goingon and who are the heroes that

(28:17):
are going to go over there and,um, you're going to need some
allies to help you out and Idon't know.
I have back and forth feelingsabout the side missions and
there's some times where Ireally feel like I balance it
well, and then there's sometimes where I'm like why is this

(28:39):
even here?
So curious to hear thoughtsabout the side missions okay, so
I guess I think maybe you gofirst steve maybe.

Steve (28:49):
Yeah, uh, I'm also with you on the back and forth.
Um, overall, the idea and thetheme of that story where other
things are happening and you'regoing to take your allies and
you're going to say, you guys goover there and do this side
mission while I hold back darkbeast, you know, you go liberate

(29:12):
the seattle core or whateverthe mission might be right, is
great.
I love that story element.
Mechanically.
I don't really care for them.
I I played them a couple times.
I probably won't play themagain and I don't like being
negative on some.
I played them a couple times.
I probably won't play themagain and I don't like being
negative on some of this stuffbecause somebody out there is
going to really enjoy it.
I don't want to turn them offfrom it, but the side mission

(29:33):
mechanic is not for me.
This has been one of thosecampaigns.
I've played it once or twice.
I'm done playing the campaignon this one.

Christian (29:41):
I like it thematically.
I think it's really cool.

Angela (29:45):
Such a good story yeah.

Christian (29:47):
It also hinders what you can do because you're like,
oh man, I got this great ally.
It's like, no, you gotta put itover here and ignore it.

Angela (29:55):
Ignore the text.

Christian (29:58):
It's a numbers game, right?
You just put as much as you canover here.

Steve (30:03):
Even that part hits a good theme, like, oh I, magic
could do really well if herbrother, colossus, was with her,
but he's got to go off and dothis thing.
So like thematically, thatfeels good.
Yes, you can't use colossusbecause he's saving the day over
there, but then in game, wise,yeah, I don't know I have a rule

(30:24):
dispute about this and I wonderif you guys could settle it oh
boy so we're really good atarguing over rules.

Mike (30:32):
Really good, are you okay?

Angela (30:34):
okay, yeah so I've never heard you argue about a rule,
so now I'm excited listen to ourepisode on wild okay, okay
we've got tony fangy involved inthat one, so so maybe this will
be like an easy one then,because I feel like, um, you
know, there's probably a cut anddry answer, but I'm just not

(30:55):
getting it.
So, for instance, a ally likeangel I've got angel in my hand.
His text reads that if I'm anX-Men, is that what it is?

Mike (31:08):
That he costs one less resource to play.

Angela (31:12):
So does he cost one less resource to go to the mission,
or is his text box blank?

Mike (31:19):
Oh, I would say, he costs one less okay, because don't you
would say it would happenbefore the card is played okay
the blanking of the text wouldhappen once you play, so you
don't play a card and then payfor it yeah, and

Steve (31:41):
yeah, you have to pay for it before it comes out, you're
paying this cost and its cost isreduced, and then you're
assigning it to the mission areaand so then it's text box is
blank, which is fine.

Angela (31:53):
It's like great angels, yeah it's after the fact yeah
yeah yeah, that's fine okay, allright, I like this.
I've I've been playing it hardon myself because I didn't know.
You know like, I'm like okay,if, if I don't know and I can't
find an easy answer, I'm gonnamake it harder yeah, that's one
thing you always have done withrules.

Christian (32:11):
It's like I don't know.
If I can't find an easy answer,I'm going to make it harder.
Yeah, that's one thing youalways have done with rules.
It's like I don't know if thisis right, but we're going to do
the impossible way, it's notimpossible.

Angela (32:16):
It's one more resource.

Steve (32:20):
So when a player plays an ally, so in order to play the
ally you must pay its cost andhis cost is reduced prior to
playing him.
So you pay the reduced cost andyou play him.
And then it says you decidewhere you play him into your
play area or the mission areaand once he goes into the
mission area then he's blanked.

Angela (32:40):
So love it.
Yeah, yep, cause then I don'tcare if he's blanked, he's
effectively blank anyway.
Anything, anyhow.

Christian (32:48):
Yeah, and you're not swearing when we say blank
you're not swearing when we sayblank.

Steve (32:53):
You're just no, no, okay, um, no side.

Angela (32:54):
You don't like captain america in the background going
to language, yeah, right uh,side note, just curious, what do
you guys do for blanking textboxes and remembering that, like
as a when you play?

Mike (33:08):
good, good, I actually.
I have various little tokens,beads, whatever from other games
and I started actually for Lordof the Rings bringing
multicolored ones to symbolizedifferent things.
Okay, there's so many as a gamegoes on.
I mean, there's more and morethings to remember, so I would
just put some obvious token.
I'm not used to seeing right onthe text box, okay, Every time
I look at the card it's likenope, something's wrong.

(33:29):
So I would just put someobvious token.
I'm not used to seeing right onthe text box, ok, every time I
look at the card it's like nope,something's wrong and it
accused me.

Christian (33:35):
Got it.
So it's like why is this diceon this card Basically?
Yeah, yeah.

Steve (33:38):
OK.

Angela (33:39):
OK.

Steve (33:40):
I bet you, some of these third party Etsy token makers,
have one that just says blank.

Angela (33:45):
Yes, they totally do A hundred percent.
Yeah, they totally do 100%.

Mike (33:49):
Yeah.

Angela (33:49):
I just you know like I'm being, like I don't want to buy
it.

Steve (33:51):
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I just try to remember itand then I'm sure I forget it
later.
So, right, right yeah.

Mike (33:58):
I have some thoughts on the missions though.

Angela (34:01):
Okay, yes.

Mike (34:01):
Side missions Go.
So I play this game a lot soloand then some two-player, but
the two-player usually doesn'thappen for a while, so we're
still getting through the lastbox, let alone Age of Apocalypse
.
So I have only touched it insingle-player and it strikes me

(34:23):
as being very advantageous insingle-player because that card
that lets you play allies intothat area has a once-per-turn
effect that gives you a costdiscount, which is great in solo
, but in two player, no it's.
It's every second round.
You get a discount off an allyright, and once you finish the
mission, in a solo game that'sone extra card in your hand

(34:44):
every round, as opposed to afour player game where it's one
extra card every four rounds.
It just it becomes less andless worthwhile interesting
players you have.
So I was talking to someonewho's like yeah, I just I did
the, the regular villain got himdown to one hit point and then
did the mission.
I said no, no, no I wanted Iwanted the benefit, so yeah, I

(35:05):
do the mission.
First I get that out of the way, get the card draw and then
hopefully I'm still alive longenough to actually play it.
I didn't find it that bad.
It was a little easy and Iwasn't using magic.

Steve (35:21):
Magic is really easy.
Yeah, it's super easy withmagic.

Mike (35:24):
But Bishop's got two allies with wild resources on
them.

Angela (35:28):
Right, yeah.

Mike (35:30):
I built them in leadership , so you put an attachment on
them, right, yeah, and you put Ibuilt them in leadership, so
you put an attachment on them,yeah.
There you go.
Two rounds, they're done.

Angela (35:35):
You did it exactly, yeah that's the thing like it can be
.
I never thought about.
I saw it scale from two tothree and how it didn't become
as advantageous, but I neverthought about solo yeah and how
that's going to be.
It's yeah, it's not scalinglike per per, you know, per
player.

Mike (35:55):
It's like you get all the benefits yeah, yeah, interesting
, so it wasn't so bad in solomode okay, yeah, I can get
behind that yeah definitely now.

Christian (36:04):
I'm never playing with you again all right, and
with that said, thanks for beinghere everybody.
Yeah, that's that.

Steve (36:11):
Yeah, mike I I only I've only played it solo as well and
uh, first time through it waslike with magic and you drop
colossus in the side mission.
Every time he's a, he's a wildresource.
She knows exactly what's cominganyways, so you can adjust for
whatever the overseer is.
I just didn't find it thatcompelling like some of the
other campaigns.

(36:31):
Yeah so, and then I played itwithout her and it was like way
too random and I was like ohgeez, and like why am I wasting
my time over here?
And before, like you weresaying, you could just clear a
mission in a couple turns withColossus sitting over there.
And now you've got the missionteam benefit, team benefit, you
know extra card every turn.
The allies they give you arereally neat allies and it's too

(36:53):
bad we can't get them later,like Morph from the old cartoon
and Destiny.
Mystique's wife, that sort ofthing.
There's some really cool alliesthat you can get.

Christian (37:05):
Oh, from the side missions.
From the side missions, yes, Ialways had Destiny.
Yeah, you did choose her.

Angela (37:13):
And I like that.
It's an interesting spin tojust that their text activates
when drawn, so that I wouldalways feel kind of safe to send
them to the mission, becauseit's like, well, I've already
used that ally for its text,because when they come into your
hand you do whatever it says.

Mike (37:31):
Oh yeah, great.
Did you notice the little kickin the teeth they give you on
the final mission?
It's really easy to miss.
But remember the steps when youfinish a mission, how all the
characters get shuffled intoyour deck.
Okay, yes, in the last mission,they're removed from the game.

Angela (37:47):
Oh, I did not recognize that.
I wonder if I played it wrongor if I just it's an easy miss,
but yeah, wow like I'm justkidding, you don't get them
right, oh, interesting.

Christian (38:02):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's a unique mechanic
that's been added to to thecampaign.
I think camp, each campaign,has had their own, like new
thing I think, this is kind of ato me.
It's a very thematic additionto to the game.
It might not play well foreverybody, but you know it's
kind of fun definitely appealingenough to make you want to see

(38:26):
how you play against it yeah,definitely, let's jump into the
big bad guys, shall we um?
yeah there are five of them,classic.
Um, yeah, I have to admit Idon't know.
I didn't know like half of them.
Just yeah, you and me both.
So, like the first one in thebox, uh, his name is and I might

(38:48):
be mispronouncing this, but Ithink it's Eunice like my
grandma yeah, how else would yousay it, eunice?

Angela (38:55):
I don't know.

Steve (38:57):
I would say Eunice, because we had a few guests on
our show and we had somebodycome on and talk to us about a
character called Eunice Goney,and then this was supposed to be
her father.
Oh, yes.
I think that was us that wasyeah, yeah, so I don't know.

Angela (39:16):
So I didn't never made that connection okay, who told
us that?

Steve (39:20):
so I know we didn't have this box yet at the time so
that's true.

Angela (39:24):
That's true in yes, in fairness to me, yeah, yeah, yes.
So I, I mean, I know you guysusually talk from the
perspective of villains, butmaybe talk about how, how a hero
would feel playing againsteunice, or I love calling him

(39:45):
eunice now, because that's juststuck it's your grandma, my
grandma's real name.

Christian (39:51):
But yeah, I'm just looking at the card here and it
I mean anything that saystoughness I immediately hate.
Um, so that's terrible.
And then he's got like bonusesbased on numbers cool yeah, and
so you get like, retaliatestalwart and just some other
garbage that he just brings tothe table.

Angela (40:09):
Um, I don't like him and they stack yeah it's not like
one or the other right, hestrikes me.

Mike (40:17):
I think he's gonna grow and end up like the oh no, I'm
blanking.
Uh, the drang of this box whichis kind of the one you can go
back to because it's kind of gota a nebula feel to it, like
don't let the things build up,but it's not as punishing, yeah,
like yeah, it's bad, but itdoesn't just like body slam you
if you get more than two thatdrain encounter, like just comes

(40:39):
out of a box, like just kickingyour butt right away.

Christian (40:42):
It's like, oh man, I wasn't ready for this but it's
tough enough.

Mike (40:46):
But also I don't know it.

Angela (40:47):
It lends itself to just a good old beat down and there
were times when, uh, I playedwith my son on this one and I
remember, uh, getting like genepool's threat just going out of
control, and we would just, andI just decided I was like, hey,
bud, we're just not going toworry about gene pool and we're

(41:08):
just gonna, you know, like he'sjust gonna be all three of them,
he's gonna have retaliate, he'sgonna be stalwart, and you know
, we're got.

Steve (41:17):
We have the extra, yeah, the extra boost yeah, I, I, I
like this one a lot actually.
Um, I like that this gene poolside scheme sits out there and
it's its counters.
A justice player always hassomething to thwart because
every round one is going onthere.
You're watching the number tickup, minimum once a turn, right,

(41:40):
so you can kind of plan okay,it's at a one, now it's going to
go up to a two.
It's not going up by one perplayer, it's just like one total
right.
There are some cards that put abunch on it, but it really
punishes you for chump blockingas well, because if an ally,
right ally, gets defeated byanything other than
consequential damage, you'reputting some threat there.
So you have to.
How am I going to defend theseattacks?

(42:01):
I?
I want to use my allies up forattacking and thwarting instead
of defending.
So it kind of makes you thinkabout that.
And then you know that thereare like these infinite soldiers
, not just unis, who who getsbetter based on the numbers.
But those soldiers can quickstrike you, they could surge you
, they can come out, you know,guard with six health.

(42:22):
So you're gonna have targetsfor your aggression player too.
Um, and then you have like onemodular set that you can play
around with and make it a littleeasier or harder if you don't
want to use the dystopiannightmare.
Um yeah, I found that he's he'sgot a bunch going on, but it's
not so complicated, that right.

(42:42):
I lose track of it.
Sometimes I lose track of stuff.
There's too many things goingon, but this is just all right.
What is this side scheme?
Every turn it gets anothertoken and then, as a card comes
up, I you have you reference thenumber of tokens.

Mike (42:53):
So yeah, yeah, I mean, he only has 12 health to start with
, so that's that's pretty lowtrue yeah, now I know some of
the the would-be heroes outthere are thinking oh yeah, I'm
just gonna use some crazy, youknow thwart deck and just thwart
all the things off.
Gene pool for cool effects.
Remember, the gene pool ispermanent.

(43:13):
Yep, so a lot of those effectsare like when this side scheme
is defeated, do X, it ain'tdefeated.

Angela (43:22):
Right, it stays in play it doesn't go away.

Mike (43:26):
Yeah, you're right, no cheating cable.

Christian (43:37):
That's a good point, because you haven't played cable
.
Well, yeah, you did I, I didn'tplay cable against this guy,
but no, he's the most recent one, I've played, yeah, a lot of so
this would stump cable, yeah Iwould probably get upset well,
you know what are games for yeah, they're supposed to be fun
well, uh, I agree, I think he'sa good.

Angela (43:58):
It's like okay, are you, are you ready for this campaign
?
Here we go, but it's not so badthat you're just don't want to
pick it up again.
So I agree, it's a good start.

Christian (44:09):
And then we jump into number two, which is actually
let's do it.

Steve (44:13):
We're villains.

Christian (44:15):
This is the four horsemen Of apocalypse, and so
We've got war, famine,pestilence, death, aka Archangel
.
I haven't played this one, soI'll leave this one all up to
you guys.
But how does it play comparedto the other scenarios that have

(44:36):
multiple villains?
Is it similar to like SinisterSix?

Steve (44:41):
Best one yet.
Yeah, best one yet.
I agree with Mike.

Angela (44:45):
So explain that why.

Mike (44:50):
Because, steve, it just seems simpler.
For a start, you're not doing awhole lot of shuffling.
They're all in play.
You're still having that activevillain move around, but you
can't.
The game doesn't get easier asyou finish it, like Wrecking
Crew, the game gets a lot easieras you go through it and I feel
like the ramp should be goingthe other way this one.
They don't die until they'reall dead.

(45:11):
Yes, and there's enough tricksin the deck that they can just
surprise you at a moment'snotice.
It is fun.
I love that sentence.
They don't die until they'redead.
Yeah, they don't die until allfour of them are dead.

Steve (45:26):
And in that regard it's very similar to Proxima and
Corvus, which both of you know.

Angela (45:31):
That's what it reminds me of.

Steve (45:34):
So I like that.
They stay out and they continueto attack you.
Now, if you knock them down tozero health, they are weaker,
their effects don't trigger, butthere are ways that allow them
to trigger their effects whichare not good for the players.
Right, the heroes do not wanttheir effects to trigger, um, so
you want to knock.

(45:54):
You got to kind of prioritizewhich one of these guys you not
want to have the effects trigger, which one's going to hurt you
the most.
Knock them down to zero andjust hope they don't get their
health return to them orsomething along those lines.
Or they are very susceptible tostun and confuse as well,
because if you stun them, theydon't activate, they don't
trigger their thing their tokendoesn't

Christian (46:14):
move, so yeah have you guys figured out an optimal
like kill order?
Or have you not played enoughto know that, like we have to go
through famine first and thenwe take out death and then hate?

Steve (46:29):
War has to go down for me first.
Okay.

Angela (46:32):
He's the one that discards your upgrades and
supports.
Oh my gosh.
I talked about this in the lastepisode with Gray Crow.
Oh my gosh Discarding upgradesand supports, why I just spent
three resources on that.
You can't discard that yeah.

Steve (46:50):
Famine, you discard top 10 cards off your deck eight.
You know if you're, if you'vegot digging deep and white fox
in there, that's great.
You might get cards in yourhand actually right and sure it.
You look and you're like, oh no, I discarded my plasma pistol
or whatever.
But in this game you dig, youget your deck back pretty quick
and sure you get an encountercard.
So famine is probably, I thinkmaybe the weakest one.

Mike (47:13):
Depends on who you're bringing, because Pestilence can
be bad.
If you have, oh yeah, it blanksyour tech.
So if you're bringing a Brute,that's fine, but some of the
more finesse-y characters likeMs Marvel, that can really hurt
you.

Christian (47:26):
Yeah, you got to get those events If you can't
trigger your hero that's prettybad.

Steve (47:32):
Yeah, you're right.
Like Gamora, she doesn't get todo her thing Like Widow.
Yeah, anyone who's relying onthat.
That's true.
Pestilence is pretty bad.
Now.
It only blanks it for a turnand then it moves on, so you
kind of have to manage for aturn and then Death just deals
extra damage.

Mike (47:52):
What is it like?
One point it's a splash damage.

Steve (47:53):
Yeah, yeah, one to everything which can ruin, like
colossus's day, or anyone who'srelying on a bunch of tough
tokens, um, or a board of a wideboard of a lot of allies that
you're trying to keep alive, andnow you've just done one damage
to everything.

Christian (48:09):
Your leadership players are hating this guy for
sure yeah, there's a little bitin there for everyone so yeah,
that's why you know, that's whythey come before apocalypse to
really make you upset, right.
Well, let's jump intoapocalypse.

Angela (48:22):
Um, the main, the main, uh course well, yeah, namesake,
yeah, the namesake, the namesakeyeah, that's true.

Christian (48:29):
so like in you know, thanos, he was number three.
He was number three.
What's up with that?
We have Apocalypse number threeand what is Ange?
What does Apocalypse do?

Angela (48:40):
Well, he can't be defeated.

Christian (48:42):
Okay, game over.

Angela (48:43):
Pretty much ever, yeah, until you get no longer worthy
attachment attached to him,which is like signifying that
people are aware that he's nolonger worthy.

Christian (48:58):
He's no longer the king.

Angela (49:00):
Yes, Threading out now just reveals the next stage of
him.
So instead of you know, theplayers lose if this gets, if
this, this gets completed, it'slike it goes on to apocalypse
two and then three and then four, and he doesn't get weaker.

(49:20):
Guess what?
He just keeps getting stronger.
Um, and and then the requiredside schemes that they keep
bringing out pre-late minionsbecause you're gonna have to go
through these side schemes.
That they keep bringing outpre-late minions because you're
going to have to go throughthese side schemes in order to
get to no longer worthy.
But they keep bringing out thepre-late minions and they keep
adding more acceleration tokens.
So you have to really plan whenyou are going to defeat that

(49:44):
side scheme and if it's a goodtime to do that or not.
What do you guys think, mikeand Steve?

Mike (49:52):
I'm trying to refresh my memory because of the two
Apocalypse levels.

Steve (49:55):
Okay, so I'll go then.
So this one.
There's actually Apocalypse 1through 4 villain cards.
I guess you use the one if youwant to start off at an easier
level.
I kind of forget why there's alevel 1 there.

Angela (50:10):
From people like me?

Steve (50:13):
uh, not now well, I was just trying to think of the
rules on that, but so it'ssimilar to a magneto scenario
where there's a set of sideschemes that you are trying to
burn through before apocalypseuh, I don't know evolves into
his final form and then causeshis Age of Apocalypse.

(50:34):
I found this one to be verydifficult, at least with the
decks that I've built, becausethose prelate minions are
powerful characters.

Angela (50:44):
They do some nasty things.

Steve (50:47):
You can't target the side scheme until you've killed off
the prelate, so you have to goafter them.
Ap is still doing his thing.
He's getting attachments thatcan be cleared if you defeat him
.
But if you defeat him, uh, allit does is clear his stuff and
clear the threat off the mainright, and then he just, he just
resets yeah, I find like thisis one where you have to sort of

(51:07):
turtle like I find.
A way I win is I sit there atthe very beginning, I kill off
the initial prelate and I managethreat and I manage apocalypse
until I've got my board built.
Then I clear the first sidescheme the heart of the empire,
I think it's called and thenthat flips right to the next one
.
That's got two accelerations OK.
So now I got to worry aboutit's going to advance even

(51:29):
quicker and there's a newprelate menu.
But I've got my board built upso I can take him out quick and
I start doing this and then it'slike a race to get that no
longer worthy on which is thefourth side of the side schemes.
Right, you have to thwart thesethree side schemes.
You've got to defeat fourprelates.
Then you can go afterApocalypse and and maybe by then
he's advanced to level four andif he advances if he would

(51:50):
advance to five you actuallylose that sort of thing.
So yeah, it's.
I find if you can manage thefirst few rounds and hold on and
get your board built, you cando it.
If you can't do that, I justlike I lose quicker to this one
than anything else.

Angela (52:05):
Right, because then also you've got that whole side
mission happening.

Steve (52:11):
So if you're playing campaign, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Angela (52:14):
If you're playing campaign.
So I just found that this waslike I think right away and I
knew it.
I just kind of shook my head atmyself but like I was like, oh,
I cleared that side schemeright before the villain phase,
which is terrible, because thenyou get more acceleration, you
get a minion that comes outbefore you can do anything, um.

(52:37):
So it's really about timing onthis one, and I have had better
success playing this withsomeone, because of the decks we
tend to play are very lopsidedtowards a specific skill, so we
don't really tend to playwell-rounded decks.

(52:58):
So I feel like I'm playingBishop and I'm playing him
justice.
I need someone with leadershipor aggression to be on my team.

Christian (53:12):
I'll balance out what he's throwing at you, right.

Steve (53:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely, I was goingto say, those prelate minions
like if they get to attack theshadow King, is turning your
thwart into scheme.

Angela (53:27):
The abyss guy steals your cards and gets bigger, so I
had the abyss guy come up firstgets bigger.

Steve (53:30):
So I had the abyss guy come up first.
He had 14 health on him becauseof an attachment.
That's the minion apocalypsedoesn't have 14 health
apocalypse only has 9, but thisguy's got 14 and I gotta get
through him these are like minivillains that he's just like
fight for me sugar man healshimself 5 damage if you don't
kill him.
Forget it.

(53:50):
And they have per player healthFive per player health.

Mike (53:56):
So four player game they have 20 health.

Steve (53:58):
It's a lot.

Mike (53:59):
It's so refreshing to see that A minion that's not going
to die the turn it enters.

Christian (54:05):
Spoken like a true villain.

Angela (54:08):
I remember the first time, I think, seeing a minion
with per player health in theRise like a true villain.
Yeah, I remember the first time, I think, seeing a minion with
the her player health, uh, inthe rise of red skull, I think
yeah, the sleeper uh-huh and Iwas like what?
I don't like this all right.

Christian (54:26):
Well, yeah, this is just a taste of what Apocalypse
can do, because he comes backafter this guy and this one for
me.
Honestly, I had no idea.
This was a thing.
I'm still kind of confused onwhy he's here.
I'm sure it makes sense in thestory or the little comic book.

Angela (54:40):
Yeah, what's the lore on Dark?

Christian (54:42):
Beast but Dark Beast.
Do you guys know what's goingon with him?
He's from another universe.

Mike (54:49):
Okay, on with him.
He's from another universe.
Okay.
There's a multiverse where darkbeast basically learns mr
sinister's gene editing.
Okay, so he is a differentbeast entirely.
You can still play with yourbeast card.

Christian (55:01):
It's fine, and we'll break the rules and your beast
hero that may or may not evercome yeah, it looks like no hey
may not ever come yeah oh wasbeast a member of shield.

Steve (55:13):
Is he ever an agent of shield?

Christian (55:15):
I don't think so okay well, I tried, yeah, all right,
what so?
What does beast do, ang?

Angela (55:23):
um, okay, so he is, um, all about the settings and
environments.
So he has three of them.
See if I can remember them offthe top of my head genosha,
savage land and, uh, blue moon.
Um, yeah, so you're startingwith one of those settings in
play and the rest of the ofthose cards are put into the

(55:48):
encounter set and then when youflip to the next beast, let's
say you go beast one, beast two.
So when you flip to beast two,you're replacing the setting,
but you're going to shuffle morecards in, so a new setting is
coming out.
I, I don't know how to describeit except to say, like the

(56:09):
settings don't seem that bad,but they would just wear on us.
When I played, all of them havea bad thing.
Um, and then my son's favoritething to do and he doesn't
realize how that he does it ishe goes oh, this one's the worst
setting.

(56:30):
And then fast forward to thenext day oh no, this one's the
worst one.
It's like, yeah, because you getused to one.

Christian (56:40):
And you know how to counter it.

Angela (56:42):
Right, and then you're just like and yeah, it's a slow
burn for me, but I have neverdefeated dark beast really oh
dang oh to be fair, I've onlyplayed it with a eight-year-old
that, yeah, okay, okay yeah, uh,yeah.

Mike (57:03):
Is this a good time to say I found it the easiest in the
box.

Christian (57:06):
No, that's fine, that's totally fine, that's when
you're supposed to say it.

Angela (57:09):
All right, all right, just throw me under the bus.

Mike (57:12):
No, Play it again.
It's just fun.
It's an easygoing fun ride.
And you never know what you'regoing to expect, Steve.
That's all I know.
And you never know what you'regoing to expect, Steve.
That's all I know.
That's all I can say.
I don't know.
It's just yeah, I agree, Ithink it's fun.

Steve (57:27):
I want to play it again, yeah, try a different
combination, because you mightget a different star or a
different combo of theenvironments and you can swap
out one modular set.

Angela (57:45):
So there's some modularity there.
You know, it's not just likethe three locations Right, yeah,
right.

Steve (57:46):
I'm curious, looking at the art of dark beast, how the
heroes were tricked intothinking that was regular beast.
I mean, he looks pretty evilright, I mean yeah.

Christian (57:56):
It's not a smile, right?
Yeah, yeah.

Angela (58:00):
I mean, there's no, no question there.

Christian (58:03):
Right, yeah, that's not like a power drill that he's
using to like repair the x-jet,that's a bone saw right like
he's cutting somebody up yeah,but maybe if, if hank mccoy
doesn't get his chick-fil-asauce in his uh oh, in his grub
hub, you know like this might bethe case.

Angela (58:19):
This might be it.
Um, I will say, like how yousaid it was easy or the easiest
one in the box.
It did remind me that when Igot to this villain, I
experienced us like a reliefbeing the controller of the game
, because I feel like the threebefore that.
There was just a lot toremember, and this one wasn't as

(58:43):
bad this is yeah, this ispretty straightforward.

Steve (58:45):
Right, it's, there's an environment.
Here's.
Maybe there's not a lot ofthings on the board at the same
time, unless the minions startto get out of hand or something
like that.
It's not like check this sidescheme for a number and then
reference this keyword and thenblank my text box and then
remember that I, yeah, yeah yes,exactly the blanking the text
box.

Angela (59:04):
Man, I'm just like okay, I got to remember that this
text box is blank, but only thisround.

Steve (59:12):
I did hear some people say that they were a little
thrown off by the theme becausehe's supposed to go through like
supposed to have created thistime portal or be using a time
portal, but then all the placeshe's going are kind of right now
.
But if you read the whole thing, it says casting them adrift
through time and space.
So somebody tackles, calibratesit properly so he never really

(59:34):
travels through time too much,he's mostly just bouncing around
and is that where the uh, thosesettings are supposed to like,
mimic, like where you're getting?
right or yeah.

Christian (59:44):
Yeah, we're getting they're all just like classic
x-men locations, right like youget to see a bunch of like the
uh what?

Mike (59:52):
are they?

Christian (59:53):
she are, yeah, the, she are people gladiator, he's
one of my favorites and uh,genosha's, you know that's
classic x-men, savage land, ofcourse, but like, yeah, it
doesn't seem time, but itdoesn't seem time related, but
it's more space related.

Mike (01:00:07):
Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah, that was because it's uh,
it's dark beast, bogus journey,not excellent.
That's what it is.

Christian (01:00:14):
Yeah, there you go yeah, that's, that's really
funny.
Um well, and then he ports youstraight to um n sabanur, which
means apocalypse in Egyptian, Ibelieve, the first mutant.

Angela (01:00:29):
Yes, so this is the first ever for a villain.
We are seeing three forms for avillain.

You have front, back and unfolded so like angel and
ant man and all those guys oneis better at scheming, one is
better attacking and one has thebest of both.
The worst of both.

Angela (01:00:53):
Then you've got power counters on the main scheme,
which is basically just like atimer that's going to bring out
superpowers and then thesuperpowers result in him
changing form and when hechanges form, bad stuff happens.
And then there's also theancient ritual side scheme,

(01:01:13):
which is part of a modular setthat's permanent and that just
keeps on dealing encounter cards, which is your least favorite
thing to get dealt an encountercard.

It is my least favorite thing.

Angela (01:01:25):
Which is why you hate Star-Lord.
I don't understand why.

Why would you want more of this garbage to?
Maybe do one more damage.

Angela (01:01:33):
So yeah, I mean, okay, I'll let you guys chime in Steve
and Mike, what do you think?

Mike (01:01:39):
It's about time the villains got the double-sided
card.
Yeah, it is very, very cool.

Steve (01:01:46):
Yeah, he's a good hero, uh, oops, he's a good villain,
uh, to give that to, because hedoes have that giant former.
He just like grows, um, and hehas all these different forms.
I think this one is maybe notas difficult as the other
apocalypse yeah creed.
Um, it's fun and it's not like acakewalk or anything, but I

(01:02:07):
think the original apocalypse isharder, at least to get rolling
on.
I haven't played this one asmuch as as the other one, but
it's fun.
It has the neat effects likeant-man has when he changes to
this form, do this terriblething.
So you don't want him to change, you want to stay at what he is
, but maybe you don't want theone he's at because, like man,

(01:02:28):
his scheme is so high he can'tflip to alter ego.
But I wish I don't want him toflip, because then he'll do this
damage to me if he flips.
And, um, you don't really haveany control over when he's
flipping.
You just have to let him do hisflip and hope for the best
right, right, he's got somewonderful, wonderful tech.

Mike (01:02:46):
If you shuffle in the celestial tech in that one,
armors and weapons you can't getrid of.

Are they?

Mike (01:02:52):
permanent.

Angela (01:02:53):
They just don't have a way to get rid of them.
They don't have a hero action.
That is terrible.

Mike (01:02:59):
So there's one weapon, one armor and then one treachery
that fetches one.

Angela (01:03:05):
Yes.

Mike (01:03:05):
Okay.

Steve (01:03:06):
I've used those in other scenarios and they're fun
because they make any villainjust that much better.
And it's a small modulus, yeah,and they are unique too.

I'm looking at them here and they both have.
They add zero to either schemeor attack, but based on the card
that you discard on top of yourdeck, you do something bad,
right am I?
Yeah, I think I'm reading, andone of them, if you have a wild,
is do all of the above, sowhich is fun with bishop,
because there's a lot of.

Angela (01:03:34):
You have a ton of a lot of wilds or domino.

Steve (01:03:37):
Domino's got a lot of yeah, yeah, so that's crazy.

I, I do.

Steve (01:03:41):
I do enjoy the uh multi-fold villains and heroes,
so that's cool to see that he,he has that yeah, so angela
mentioned the ancient ritualside scheme that is permanent in
a setup and when it hits 10threat, you remove five threat,
you get a face down encountercard yeah I have lucked out and
never had that trigger oh, whoamanaged to thwart it a little

(01:04:05):
bit just to knock it down,because it only gets threat from
other cards and it's set, soyou have to right to draw the
minions or you know you can getonesie, twosie part threat put
on them or you can like choose,put three threat or give it this
card three boosts and it's likeoh right, my ch, I chump
locking, fine, three boosts.
So I have lucked out where theyhave not completed their ritual.

Angela (01:04:28):
That is cool Because I feel like that's the way to do
it, because once you hit that 10, it doesn't remove at all.
It removes half.
Oh, just five, yeah.
So I feel like you just can'tlet that one snowball.
So that's a good point.
I do feel like this one isslightly easier.

(01:04:50):
It's funny because I think wetalked about it in the last
episode.
I don't know how to describe it, the word's not anticlimactic
but I've been confused by thelast villain in a lot of these
campaigns.
Just as to why is this the lastvillain in a lot of these
campaigns?
Just as to why?
Why is this the last one?

so I don't know you feel like just because he was
easier to beat than the otherones or just yeah, maybe like I.

Steve (01:05:14):
Or I mean, you know loki and mad titan shadow and uh
strife, um, just I'm just likeyeah, now apocalypse seeing
apocalypse twice is great, Ithink having the reoccurring
villain and you get twocompletely different versions of
apocalypse and he's not likethis is not like an easy
scenario.

(01:05:34):
So it's still worthy of levelfive, but, like you're saying,
um, I think Loki was the firsttime right, they tricked us.
He wasn't even pictured on thebox.
Yeah, spoil him at all.
And everyone was just expectingthis big thanos fight.
We got it early on and and thatthat was pretty fun actually.
I I feel like right kind ofgetting rickrolled there by the

(01:05:55):
whole, like wait, it's notthanos, it's loki.
The whole time, um and then.
But you can't do that every time, right no, I know, and then it
becomes yeah right but I meanvenom goblin super hard and that
whole story kind of led up tothat when I thought, right like
symbiote, and goblin was usingthe sinister six for his own

(01:06:18):
ends.
Uh, that's true.
And then you know, magneto'sthe big bad out of X-Men box,
which makes sense.
Who was the oh Strife?
Yeah, that was the next one.
That was a little bit like ohwait, I didn't even know who
Strife was.

Angela (01:06:33):
Right, that was the one we had to look up to Right.

Steve (01:06:35):
Yeah.

Angela (01:06:36):
Maybe it's.
Maybe it's the fact that it'slike, it's just not, it's not
who you picture.

Well, it is, it's Apocalypse.
But you already saw him.

Angela (01:06:46):
Maybe that one Well right or like Mad Titan's Shadow
.
I'm picturing Thanos.
It's not that Loki.
It's not that I don't like thestory, because Hela was one of
my favorite villains and thewhole campaign, whole Marvel.

Mike (01:07:05):
Champions series Nope.
Whole Marvel Champions seriesNope, I blanked out.

Angela (01:07:10):
So I feel like it's not that it's bad.
It's just like you want the bigticket, the moneymaker, to be
the fifth villain, and so that'swhat throws me off.
Yeah, I mean, I think that'swhat throws me off, yeah.

I mean, I think that's.

Mike (01:07:27):
I don't know, except that the only thing I can say is that
you got at least the epicunfolding arc.
But yes.

Angela (01:07:35):
The story always makes sense.

Yes.

Angela (01:07:38):
And I feel like so this box in general, this campaign in
general and it could just bethat it was summer, so I'm
curious to get someone else'stake on it but I feel like my
brain had to do a lot of work tomanage the campaign.
Okay.

Do you guys have similar?

Mike (01:07:58):
experience.
I think you're right.
Well, definitely the heroes inthe box.
I would never give these heroesto a first-time player, right,
either of them?
I think you're right.
These ones are a little morecomplex, just thinking back.
Yeah, I personally like thesecond box in the X-Men series
the best, okay.
And I think it's also generallyon the simpler end.
Any last thoughts about all ofit.

Steve (01:08:21):
Yeah, overall a good box.
I think it's a great capstoneto our mutant story, right?
I think you know it's notnecessarily directly tied to the
previous mutant stories, likewhere the uh, first three boxes,

(01:08:42):
you know power stone to thegauntlet, to this and like it
all, all the three boxes aretold one cohesive story sort of
this.
One doesn't really do that.
The three three, but they'rethe villains are so iconic.
They kind of have their ownlittle sub stories.
But I think if we didn't getapocalypse, you know people
would be like what the heck?

no, yeah, who else would?

Steve (01:09:01):
you've gotten for mutants and we have our x-Force and our
X-Factor.
I guess not, it's X-Force andX-Men teamed up.
We never got any X-Factor, butstill I enjoy it.

You know, the campaign part is my miss, but
the rest of it's a big hit forme and at the time of this
recording too, there are stilltwo hero packs that are not out
yet as a part of this whole ageof apocalypse wave.
So we still have nightcrawlercoming and magneto, which we
mentioned earlier.
I'm looking forward to those.
I think I'm always lookingforward to to new, to new heroes

(01:09:34):
, and I think you knownightcrawler is a classic if you
love the cartoon, you alwaysloved when he showed up, and
magneto is a new he's.
He's not always a good guy, butin the recent run of Krakoa
he's definitely a good guy-ish,so it'll be fun to play as him
as well.

Steve (01:09:55):
Yeah, he's one of those unfairly labeled villains.
He's misunderstood.
His goal is a noble goal, andthen we have him donning his
white outfit, which lets us knowthat he's the good guy now.
yeah, he's magneto the whiterole yeah yeah, I mean, at one
point he runs xavier's instituteright when he's wearing that

(01:10:18):
costume.
Yeah, um, so he it's a littlechange of heart.
So I'm still not sure.
I I feel if he's betrayed us,mike, as villains or not or if
he's finally yeah we've beencomplaining about the whole time
is he's misunderstood, and nowhe gets a hero card.
So, oh, he'll be back.

Mike (01:10:34):
He'll always comes back.

Steve (01:10:36):
Okay, yeah.

Mike (01:10:36):
Yeah, okay, can you play the Magneto hero?

against the Magneto villain.
Need a villain um scenario.

Angela (01:10:47):
We're going to I'm definitely in the multiverse.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it's, it's comics.
We can do whatever we want.
Yeah, don't say it.

Wow.
So that was that went a littlelong, guys, but we appreciate
you, uh, sharing your thoughts.
There's a lot to be said aboutage of apocalypse as it bookends
the x-men experience and marvelchampions.
Uh, if you have a few moreminutes, we'd love to just wrap
up the show with you and talkabout.
You know we like to talk aboutwhat brings us joy outside of
board games.
Yes, so we will.

(01:11:21):
We will kick this off becauseAngela and I have we have the
same one.
Oh, I think I know what you'regoing to say, say yeah and uh.
I don't know about you guys,but we have been watching so
much olympics.
We, uh, we.
We both grew up playing sportsangela more than me like, but I
did like the classic littleleague.
I did basketball, baseball, um,I I took golf lessons like I

(01:11:45):
did.
I did a lot.

Angela (01:11:47):
Yeah.

And so, like I just love watching sports and I love
watching Olympic sports, becausethere's a lot that are just
unique yeah, we don't get towatch karate or kayaking, just
kind of like the oddball sports.

Angela (01:11:59):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I play.
I ran cross country, I playedbasketball and then I threw shot
and disc so I feel likewatching those are so fun.

Um, there's very little things that are boring to
watch for me in the olympicsyeah, it's sad that it's ending
soon, but also it's taking up alot of our time, so maybe we'll
be actually get some stuff.

Angela (01:12:23):
Maybe we'll get stuff done.

We can play some more Marvel Champions.
That's right, steve.
What has been bringing you joyoutside of board games?

Steve (01:12:35):
The TV series Shogun.

Okay, that is a good one we have read that.

Angela (01:12:42):
I was going to say we've read that, we've watched that.

Steve (01:12:45):
I have read that.
I read it a long time ago andthen it was so well done.
My only complaint was it wasover too quickly, like.
I wanted more episodes, just thevisuals, the acting, the
authenticity, the story.
I went and listened to theofficial podcast about it, um,

(01:13:10):
which I don't normally do forshows, yeah, yeah, that was so
good and it made me want to likerevisit other japanese genre
things that I've done in my life.
I used to play the L5R cardgame and just like get that book
back out.
If you haven't seen it and youhave Hulu I think it's on Hulu

(01:13:33):
go watch it.
Shogun, just so good.

Yeah, we.
How do you feel about a secondseason?
I heard they're doing a secondseason and as far as I
understand, the book or thefirst season kind of, was the
book or was there enough leftout that there are places, I
think there's enough left out.

Steve (01:13:50):
They could have done like .
I feel like they could havedone another four episodes.
I thought right, the last 20minutes of the final episode
felt like rushed uh so ifthey're gonna, do it okay and
they're gonna pick up where theyleft off, then that'd be, I'm
all for.
I'm all for it.
So I don't know if you geteight episodes or not.

(01:14:11):
Uh, depending, yeah, you know.
Okay, I'm all for a secondseason if they they keep going
with the book and stuff anddon't try to.
Just well, I, I don't know,they could maybe they could
probably just go in more detailand add to it, and I'd be happy
with it.

So yeah, right, yeah, we, we, we enjoyed that a lot.
I also got interested in, uh,you know, historical japanese
things and so I downloaded, uh Ithink, the video game ghost of
tsushima.
Um, okay, I've heard goodthings about that, yeah, and it
was just if you, if you haveplaystation, it's playstation
plus, so it's probably free foryou, but I played, I I only

(01:14:48):
played like two hours worth, butI was like this is shogun like
I felt exactly the same.
So it was pretty cool and youlike sneak into a house and it's
like laid out exactly liketheir little houses were with,
like where they drank tea andstuff.
So, yeah, definitely definitelya good one.
Um, so we, we agree with what'sbringing you joy.

Angela (01:15:07):
Absolutely, that's allowed.

Steve (01:15:09):
It brings me more joy.

Mike (01:15:13):
Mike, how about you?
Oh, still living, still livingoff this vacation.
Hi, yeah, fantastic, yeah,shield, which is.
You know that that'll be my newobsession for the next little
while.
Um, my, my fam, my wife likesit too, and my dog loves it,
because my dog can sit betweenus and you know, she never lets
us sit together.
She always has to sit right inthe middle and yeah, of course.

(01:15:34):
What kind of dog uh, my, yeah,she rescued and got her just
before the covid lockdown ohnice and I'll.

and I'll ask just one question about your trip when
in Norway did you go?

Mike (01:15:48):
We hit the outskirts, so we just did some of the fjords,
so we did Flom is a big one,alicent In and around those
areas.

Did you have any lutefisk?
No, no.
Were you offered any?
No, okay, should I have?
No, were you offered any?

Angela (01:16:08):
No, should I have.

Steve (01:16:08):
No, it's like a fermented fish.
Ask Daniel about it.

Mike (01:16:10):
he'll tell you Is that the fermented whale that they bury
in the ground.

Angela (01:16:14):
They do bury it.
Is it whale?

I think it's like hat-hopper it's shark.

Mike (01:16:22):
They have to bury it because if it's not fermented,
it's poisonous.

it uh, it's poisonous yeah, I think that there's.
They do that in iceland too.
But, like my grandpa was 100norwegian and he would back in
minnesota when we were growingup, you know they would have
like lutefisk nights at theirlocal church and so they would
go and eat this crazy stuff.
He still loves it.
He's still he's like 95 and hewould eat it today if he yeah

(01:16:46):
yeah, he could.
So, yeah, vacation high.
We feel that, uh, and it'salways a question for mike about
his vacation.

Steve (01:16:53):
Yeah, are you still pining for the fjords?

Mike (01:16:57):
it's not pining, it's passed on, okay okay, for a
second.

Steve (01:17:01):
I thought I was in trouble, all right.
Well, steve and mike, weappreciate you coming on the
show and chatting marvelchampions.

Okay, woo For a second there.
I thought I was in trouble, allright.
Well, steve and Mike, weappreciate you coming on the
show and chatting MarvelChampions.
I'll give you guys a second tojust give a shout out to
everyone out there and leteveryone know where they can
find you.
Yes and a little bit moreinformation about your show.
So, Steve or Mike, whoeverwants to take that go?

Steve (01:17:21):
for it.
Yeah, so before we go intowhere you can find us, angelo
what are you reading?

Angela (01:17:27):
oh my gosh, I thought I was gonna get away with it.
I was gonna I'm on I was gonnarub it in christian's face I
knew mike.

I knew mike had that sorry.

Angela (01:17:35):
I knew steve had that in his backpack ready to go oh man
, all right, well, I am, uh,physically reading the
Challenger.
It is well, it's titled theChallenger, but it's also about
the US's space race and itculminates with the Challenger,

(01:17:57):
so it doesn't go beyond that.
So I'm reading that and that isa very interesting but also
slow read for me because I wantit's very detailed and I want to
read the details.
And then I am listening to oh,what's it called Like a short?
I just started it, so I'm onlylike 5% in.

(01:18:20):
It's called A Short WalkThrough a Wide World.

And so far I like it a lot.

Angela (01:18:30):
Sounds like it could be a fantasy novel title.
It's kind of.
It's kind of got uh, I don'tknow what the exact genre is,
but it's got some lenience thatway.
Okay, cool there you go.
I feel like I always need toask what is everyone else
reading?

Steve (01:18:45):
you, we don't do books.
I just started reading Lord ofthe Rings to my 10 year old.

Nice, that's a good one.

Mike (01:18:54):
I've heard of that.

Angela (01:18:55):
Yeah, you've heard of that one.

Mike (01:18:57):
I had to stay thematic to the vacation, so I finished
reading Neil Gaiman'sInterpretation of Norse Gods.
That's a good one too, I'veread that.

That one's super good , a lot of fun.
That's awesome.
Yeah, do you want to continue,steve?
Just let everyone know where,yeah, we're going to.
We're going to plug our shows.

Mike (01:19:15):
Let's do it yeah.
Yes, you can.
You can email us at criticalencounters.
Pot at g, we are CriticalEncounters.
You can find us on Facebook.
You can find us on YouTube.
You can find us on Patreon andon Discord.
We are Vardane, bigfumloof andWanderingTook.
We're out there.
We'll answer your questions.
We like chatting with thecommunity.
Our shows come out everyTuesday on your favorite podcast

(01:19:37):
app and in addition, if you'reinterested in the other LCGs,
daniel and I Twitch.
Every Monday night we do a showcalled Monday Night Twitch.
It is very informal.
There's almost no video editingat all.
It is just a bunch of peoplehaving fun and we get guests on
all the time.
We oscillate between Lord ofthe Rings and Arkham Horror.

(01:19:57):
The videos that get streamedeventually get thrown up on
YouTube.
Twitchtv slash, wanderingtube.

Yeah, that's awesome.
Well, well, we appreciate it,guys.
Um, we will, definitely we'lldo this again.
We've this is we've had you onlike three times.
We've been on yours like yeah,we'll do it again.

Angela (01:20:14):
We're going to continue, maybe regular board games again
.

I know we did that with you guys.
I think it was almost a yearago oh yeah, we should
definitely get at the end of thesummer we kind of did a summer
recap.
So yeah, maybe we can uh touchbase and just chat beyond marvel
champions yeah, maybe a livefrom gen con one of these years,
we'll meet up at gen con nextyear.

Steve (01:20:37):
So yeah, there we go.

It's only, yeah, it's .
I was gonna say we should driveto gen con, but that's like a
27 hour drive for yeah, that is.

Angela (01:20:44):
It's a long one.

Steve (01:20:45):
Probably not just under 10 for me, so it's I did it
before I could do it again okay,well, we'll fly to you and then
drive.
Okay, yeah, sounds good, I'llhave some company great all
right, guys, we appreciate it.

And angela, uh, why don't you just say really quick
where they can find us?

Angela (01:21:01):
yeah, you can find us on instagram at married and bored.
You can find us.
Yeah, you can find us onInstagram at Married and Bored.
You can email us hello atmarriedandboredcom.
I highly recommend the CriticalEncounters podcast.
It is.
These guys know what they'retalking about.

I mean, we went pretty deep for a Married and
Bored podcast today.
We did, but if you want to divedeep into the oceans of the
villains of Marvel Champions,definitely check these guys out.
Thanks for making it this far,everybody, and we will catch you
next time.

Angela (01:21:41):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Married and
Bored podcast.
And guess what?
We have a website where you canlisten to podcast episodes and
so much more.
Find us at marriedandboredcom,or you can email us at hello at
marriedandboredcom, or follow uson Instagram at marriedandbored
.
Music in this episode is byJoseph McDade.

(01:22:02):
See you next time.

Steve (01:22:08):
You guys are going to edit right, so like if we need
to we know, we're alive, no, wedon't.

we don't edit, we just use AI to edit.
So it's just kind of acrapshoot.

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