Leather, Love, and Lava Dancing: A Kinky Journey

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After 20 years cultivating a safe haven for students, Master Cat found himself abruptly cast aside when his private life in the leather community was exposed by a right-wing parent. This raw, emotional episode explores the painful fallout as he navigated being barred from saying goodbye to students, having his name removed from retirement celebrations, and processing what it means to lose a core part of his identity.

"The kids suddenly saw me disappear again," Master Cat reveals, sharing how students were left wondering what happened when he vanished without explanation. Unable to even collect his belongings or attend functions at school properties, he describes the year-long grieving process and how the witch in him approached healing through a deliberate "year and a day" of reflection.

The conversation delves into deeper questions about professional boundaries and personal freedom. Why are teachers expected to live under draconian standards without corresponding compensation? What happens when institutions erase valuable contributors over consensual adult activities conducted privately? Master Cat's transition to becoming a full-time leather educator demonstrates how his teaching skills transferred seamlessly to a new context.

Beyond his personal story, we explore critical issues within the leather community itself—from inclusivity battles at campgrounds to the importance of looking beyond physical appearance to see someone's soul. "Leather is an attitude," Master Cat emphasizes, built on honor, integrity, and respect rather than any specific look or body type.

Whether you're part of the kink community or simply concerned with workplace dignity and personal freedom, this episode challenges conventional boundaries and celebrates authentic living despite society's judgments. Join us for this intimate look at finding resilience when your worlds collide.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
what's up, gremlins?
Welcome back to another podcast.
My name is daddy j.
I hope everyone is doing it anddoing it well.
You know the drill.
This is the mature mischiefpodcast.
Welcome, welcome, master cat.
How are you?
Welcome back, and today isfreaky friday you already know

(00:22):
so putting in right now.
This is your warning.
This is not suited for work.
We are going to be a littleraunchy on this podcast here, so
just fyi, like we're, we'regoing to get really get much
into it.
You know, uh, before I continue,I know it, you know it, the
whole world fucking knows it.
I am your host, jesse james,and, of course, my lovely

(00:46):
sidekick here is going to beMaster Cat.
He is your Mr Leather of 2017,mr Tough Drag Diva 2018.
Your Master Alamo City Leatherof 2022 and 2023.
He has been very, very wellknown in the community and ever
since then, he was brother ofjesus too as well.
He was the 13th disciple thatnobody wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Pretty much, it's kind of like when they, when
somebody religious says to meyou need he says what did they
say?
They says y'all need jesus andI was like, yeah, I had him.
Last week he was in my sling.
Oh, does that piss them off?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's going to piss off a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Uh well, I have had a man named Jesus in my sling
before.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Oh, me too, yeah, and .

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I think he was talking to his father cause he
was going.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh God, oh God, oh god, I'm coming.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh dear god shout out to temple of flesh.
That's such a religious place.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'll tell you I love that place and I love whenever I
get a chance to go to it, andI'm glad that my schedule has
changed to where it's at, whereI'm able to join you yeah, on it
, but I got off late that night.
I was supposed to join you Iknow I was.
So I was on that fucking phonecall for three.
I would not even go into it butwhatever, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
There was a cute.
There was a cute cowboy with abig cock.
Yeah, you were having fun.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Having fun there you go that's all that matters, as
long as you were having fun.
Oh man, you know it's.
Uh, it's one of these thingsthat we talk about.
So we're kind of picking up thepodcast a little bit more.
We're pushing more out, we'redoing wednesdays, hump days,
monday woes, we have our freakyfriday, fridays, and then we
have our shenanigans onsaturdays here as well.
So that has been a phenomenalthing for um us here at the

(02:32):
mature mischief podcast.
We're growing a lot more andwe're continuing to grow.
Thank you uh to uh, dd, akasister d, and on friday, freaky
friday she's known as deliciousd, and I wish she was here so
you can get to meet her, becauseyou would have loved her to
death.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh yeah uh, she's such a sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We'll meet another time, yeah well, most definitely
will and, um, we're definitelygoing to do something here
because I know she, that's oneof the things that she's just
like.
All right, man, I wanted to bethere so I can meet, because I
talk about you a lot on thepodcast.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I really, really do.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I know, I know I talk about you a lot on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I remember you saying I'm no nonsense and all that
other stuff.
And I am no nonsense onsomething.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, you are no nonsense on a lot of things.
I know that the last episode weleft off, we left off on a
cliffhanger because you weretalking about how you were going
.
You haven't posted anything onfor almost about a year on your
Facebook page, right Dealingwith all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
They told you not to come back to work at all
whatsoever, right?
Uh, the next day this was likelate in the day on a tuesday,
was right.
It was a tuesday when they weretold, when hr told me uh, you
know, they'll call.
They call me late that night,don't come to work.
After they said, okay, have anice night.
And I was like getting dressedand I had my outfit ready for
wednesday and they said sowednesday was kind of hellish
because I was.
You know what's going on?
What's going on?
Are they going to terminate me?
Are they going to?
And so thursday they uh broughtme in and they had the letter

(03:50):
for me and basically they saidyou know, we're going to put you
on administrative leave it'sabout basically stay away from
all of our properties.
So couldn't go to anythinggraduations or any other
function that I could so I waslike, wow, that's wild,
absolutely stay away from.
That is wild basically it was,and the thing is they knew I was
retiring anyway because of myillnesses and things like that.

(04:12):
So it was.
It was just kind of crazy thatthat happened.
So you know, I went throughwhen that happened.
It was like right before austinkink weekend, which is weird,
because a year to the day willbe friday, right a year.
Well, a year to the day will beFriday.
Right A year.
Well, a year and a day will beFriday.
So, uh, it's kind of.
You know, that was from thefirst day I I couldn't work,

(04:33):
right, and so I already amplanning something on Facebook,
since I've not been posting, andit'll be on that Friday and
it's going to say a year and aday.
I have something to say and thenI'm gonna, that's all I'm gonna
put, and then underneath it I'mgonna put the dissertation
right, right, and I'm gonna dothe same thing on FetLife.
We were talking at the end ofthe other podcast.

(04:54):
Best way to reach me is onFetLife.
If you're a kinkster and you'rereally into all this kinky,
crazy, freaky stuff, fetlife iswhere you're gonna want to be,
because you'll see some stuffthere.
It's not just for straights,it's what you make of it.
There's a lot of gay people onthere.
There's a lot of everybody'srepresented.
Just filter what you want.
So, kat, underscore Artemis, youcan find me on FetLife, but you

(05:20):
can also ultimately you canreach me at Facebook as well,
right, kat Artemis, with a spacebetween them.
But I don't really postanything.
But I will start posting thingsafter the year and a day
Because, as a witch, I've beenletting myself grieve for the
year of losing that part of mylife, right, and letting myself
heal and letting myself realizethat things are now better

(05:41):
retired because I wake up when Iwant to Mm-hmm, realize that
things are now better retired,because I wake up when I want to
Uh, and I look at the clock andI don't have to go.
Oh, um, second grade's comingin now.
I don't have to give a shit,it's, it's noontime, I don't
have to worry about second gradecoming in anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I love my, I love my little buggers.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
but you know what?
I'm going to go make a sandwich, Screw you.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
So let me ask you on a personal level why is it
taking you so long to heal?
What's giving you that much?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
time.
You have to understand.
I did this for 20 years, right?
I had, you know, and the placeI worked in.
I had been there for six yearsand I had seen some of those
babies go from being pre-K tofourth grade when I left them.
And some of them fromkindergarten to fifth grade to
fourth grade when I left them,and some of them from
kindergarten to fifth grade, andthat bond with that music
teacher, that the one personthat was stable out throughout.

(06:29):
You know they changed teachersevery year, even the other
specials teachers.
They changed librarians, theychanged a stem teacher, they
changed coaches.
The only one that stayed allthe time and they knew who he
was was Mr L the music teacher,the magical music teacher, and
they knew how I worked.
They knew who he was was Mr Lthe music teacher, the magical
music teacher, and they knew howI worked.

(06:50):
They knew how things were assoon as they walked in.
It was like we just started upagain with the next set of songs
in the next level and just dida lot of fun things where the
kids were looking forward to it.
Whenever I walked through thehalls it was hi, mr L.
You know it was like 700 kidsknew who I was and you know,
except for a couple of troubledchildren, that doesn't like
anybody.
They pretty much loved comingto my class.
So to suddenly go from that tonothing and waking up for those

(07:14):
seven weeks of administrativeleave, it was like please, let
me go back and at least saygoodbye to the kids.
They're not telling them whathappened.
You know this woman who didthis said she was, you know,
like a parent, you know a parent, something very right-wing nut
job person and she thought she'sprotecting children.
What they did is because theydon't tell people what's

(07:34):
happening.
These kids suddenly saw medisappear again and I had just
had a whole month being sickwith cellulitis in january
through february, right, andthey thought, and a lot of the
kids thought, I was sick again.
And the reason I know that isbecause when I went with my
other brothers to a going outthing to Six Flags, I happened
to bump into one of my kids whosaw me and ran up to me and gave

(07:57):
me a big power hug and said wemiss you, what's going on?
And I had to say they thought Iwas sick, they thought I'd
gotten sick again and stuff likethat, and they were wondering
when's Mr L coming back?
And I had to tell him Mr Lretired because he was too sick
and part of that was I wasretiring because I got sick
again on April 1st.
But they were able to catch itand so I guess that's why HR

(08:19):
decided to just do theadministrative leave because
otherwise it would have tried tohave terminated me.
But I'm finishing 20 years ofteaching.
This was something I hadingrained in me for all this
time.
No matter what level I taught,whether it was elementary with
the littles which is a veryspecial thing to do or even my
middle school time or my highschool time I developed a bond
with anybody who was my studentand really just got to know who.

(08:42):
They were Right, and this is askill I've used as a covered
master as well.
So when I see something likethat just end as something that
was my routine for years.
It took a while to do that.
So I started getting better.
After the last day of schoolwhen I knew there was no way I
was going to see the kidsanymore they wouldn't all go to
the different wins.
I kind of missed getting to seemy faculty friends on teacher

(09:06):
cleanup day.
But after that Friday, when Iwould have probably have checked
out of the contract, I kind ofwent, okay, it's summer break.
And I could sort of in my mindsay, okay, we're on summer break
now.
None of that really happened.
I kind of went into denial.
And then it wasn't until theteachers were supposed to start
going back to school.
And you know, the back toschool sales are going on and I

(09:27):
had to start making myself go.
I don't have to do this anymore.
So I was starting over thesummer to heal and that stuff.
And then every so often,something would happen that
would trigger me going why am Inot part of this anymore?
Right, you know, the holidayscame, there's no Christmas
concert and I had a big, awesomeone last year.
Um, and I don't celebratechristmas, but I do the winter

(09:49):
concert for the kids, correct?
Um, there's a bunch of things,like when spring break happened,
it was like I almost forgotspring break was happening and
you know because.
But then all of a suddenthere's kids at heb and it's
like why aren't they at school?
Oh shit, school's not insession you're like shit I
forget.
So it's taken a while and I'vehad to start to learn, to look
at why it's better to be homeand get up when I want to do

(10:10):
what I want to.
You know, and it turns out thatwhen I've started making myself
available on like fat life,there's people writing me in
correspondence back and forthfor advice or whatever else.
I'm busy on telegram orwherever else with people who
want to write to me and talk tome and stuff like that.
So I've done more stuff doingmain, basically full-time, being

(10:30):
a covered master right.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
So has anybody, though?
Has any of the children's uhparents ever reached out to you
to see how you were doing?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
no, no one has nobody , the only knowing you at all,
period and here's the thingabout it the only person that
would write to me or talk to mewas the main principal, right,
and she would only respond to mewhen I asked her a legitimate
question about something, right.
And then in the middle of thesummer, after all this happened,

(10:59):
she writes me back.
She's moving on to a new school, right, and she says would you
do me a favor and get in touchwith the other principal that we
knew he was assistant principal, now he's becoming the main
principal.
Would you get in touch with MrSo-and-so and see if you can sit
down with the new music teacherthat they're hiring and help

(11:19):
them keep this outstandingprogram you have going?
You let me go for seven weeksand ignored me.
You didn't even let me come into do the retirement party with
the librarian and the otherteacher I was.
There were three of us retiring.
You didn't even put my name onthe cake.
It was like I didn't exist.
And now you want me to help you,fuck you, yeah, and what I did?
The best thing was they gave mesilence.

(11:41):
So I didn't even give them thehonor of saying fuck you, it was
like I gave them silence back.
I let them wonder and you know,as far as I was concerned, I
don't even know who that teacheris.
I do know that the entirespecials team left that year.
I retired, librarian, retired,and then the STEM teacher moved
to another school oddly enough,to the same school.

(12:01):
She moved to karma, and thenthe coach is no longer there
either, or as far as I know.
And so and it's interesting,because on their roster, if you
go and look at the roster of theschool I used to work at, they
don't have their specialsteachers listed- ah, they don't
have them listed and you have nocontact for them and it's like
you put everybody else.

(12:21):
And then I looked and startedlooking to see who's there,
who's gone, and there was amassive exodus of people who
left and I was like, wow, okay,it was that bad and so I don't.
I started to find things likethat, to not feel bad about
leaving, but there's every sooften that little thing like I
should be doing this, I shouldbe doing that.
I have to keep, you know,slapping myself and saying which
I kind of like anyway, but I'mthe only one that can I'm the

(12:43):
only one that can top me on animpact right so it's like it's
one of those things.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's where it becomes very hard, because you
live in this, you live in thiskinky world.
That's always been you, butyeah you've always separated
your kinky life from yourprofessional life and everything
, and for someone to reallypoint you out as a person, to
expose you.
But it's kind of like were youeven trying to hide it at all

(13:09):
for yourself, cause you werejust pretty much as open as I am
with myself.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You know what I mean.
It wasn't like.
It wasn't like I was walkingaround with a flogger in my
hands in the school and all ofmy social media says cat Artemis
no not like.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
not like that, though , but what I mean is that did
people already know you werepart of this lifestyle?
They had an idea about it theykind of have an idea.
Right I have an idea.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, I'm walking around with the mr alamo city
leather vest on over my dressclothes.
Yeah, you know when it's coldon.
I was wearing a vest when I hada t-shirt on right.
Um.
So I you know, because withwith a leather vest on and the
boots, it looks kind of scary.
Don't mess with this guystanding at the apartment gate.
He's not going to let you by youknow Right, they actually
switched my duty in theafternoon with the librarian

(13:52):
because she was a pushover andthey would like basically push
her out of the way.
I'm standing there like can Ihelp you?
And you're not walking by me.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Because I've always thought, because I've always
figured you were so open with alot of your stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You know what I mean that people already kind of
assume, not the kids but theadult.
The adults kind of knew, and Ididn't hide it.
Yeah, this is the thingultimately we figured out.
There's only one way this womancould figure it out.
Somebody had to tell her whatmy real name was, uh-huh, and
say, oh, by the way, he's amusic teacher that works with
elementary kids.
And of course that was enoughto make the right wing nut job
fly off the handle and start allthat stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
But that's the thing.
You're trying to live your bestlife as a person who does your
own thing.
We're entitled to have ournightlife.
We're not a teacher 24-7.
We're not roboting.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
But in that profession you have people that
fired for showing a picture ofyou holding a margarita when
you're on vacation yeah, becausethe problem is is we want to
hold teachers to this draconic,uh level of stuff.
But if you're going to hold usto those kind of high standards,
then damn it.
Pay us at that standard andmake it worth our time going in
for all the rules and regs youwant us to do.

(15:02):
The entire education system iskind of fucked up because it is
not regulated by educators orpeople who live in classrooms.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
There are literally teachers who are sleeping with
young kids, that are there, thathave been doing it for years,
and they finally get caught indoing it and get a slap on the
wrist Like are you fucking forreal?
Yeah, how are you going to bethat adamant on what you're
doing and a whole lifestyle thatdoesn't involve yeah, young
kids at all period, or teenagersfor that matter?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
this is why it hurts so much, jesse, is because my
classroom was considered thesafe space, right, my, my kids.
When they were troubled, theywould.
They would, for the most part,come to my room.
There was many years, even whenI taught middle school, there
were some kids that I had in myclasses choir, orchestra, speed
right, reading, whatever I wasteaching, because I taught a
whole bunch of stuff there.
But they were, they wereclassified ed or uh, emotionally

(15:54):
disturbed or emotionally, youknow, stress or whatever.
But it was enough to have to do, like you know, paperwork and
all that kind of stuff.
And it got to the point withsome of those kids that if they
were, I mean, some of these kidswere violent ED.
In other words, they would pickup a desk and throw it if they
got upset, if their thermometerwas to the point that they were
stressed off.
So we had to let them have acooling spot.

(16:16):
And my room, the practice rooms, were the cooling spot.
This is one young man I remembercoming in and if he walked in I
didn't say a word.
He would go straight to thepractice room.
One of his instrument wassitting in there or something
was in there.
He would play it for a while,real jagged and angry and all
that kind of stuff.
And then, when it finallystarted to calm down, I knew,
okay, he was calming down now.

(16:37):
And then what I would do is ifit was in class and he could
stay as long as he needed to,but when it finally calmed down,
I would just give the kidssomething to do or I'd put a
video on and I would go into thepractice room how are you doing
?
What's going on?
And I had that relationshipwith him and this is why it
hurts so much to lose whenyou've had all these
relationships.
Even now, some people that arenow adults that remember my

(16:57):
class they either were with mein middle school or in high
school especially, and they'vegot kids now and they remember
me and they see me and they go,mr L, oh my God.
And so we catch up with eachother.
Because a lot of them would sayyour class was always hard, but
it was my favorite because youwere just so delightfully weird.
We didn't mind it being hard.

(17:17):
I mean, when I taught I keptthe level up there, yeah, but
you know, and I expected you todo your work and if you didn't,
the consequence was you weregoing to fail, right, but I made
it interesting.
I made it, you know, even whenI taught public speaking, I let
the students pick their subject,right, I let them pick it, and
even if it was controversial,this is okay.

(17:38):
Well, this is the stuff we'vegot to be careful with.
I mean, I had kids, you know,being proponents for same gender
marriage back in 2012, 2013,when it wasn't legal in texas,
right, and you know.
And then I told him, when we'redoing the persuasives, I'm
going to take the counterpoint,even though you know I actually
agree with you.
I have to take the counterpoint.
You need to defend yourself andright, we would teach kids how

(17:59):
to debate appropriately, insteadof getting into the ad hoc name
calling or the ad hominem namecalling and things like that.
And you, as soon as you do that, you've lost the thing.
And this is why I see thingsgoing on in our culture where
people are just name calling.
There's a lot of people upthere in legislation that don't
belong there because they don'tknow how to do anything but name
call.
Okay, they don't.
You're not wrong, you don't.

(18:19):
They don't know how to, theydon't know how to cite sources,
um, and this is the thing wehave taught people, that it's
okay to make a claim ofsomething and not cite your
sources for it.
People who do anonymous sources, I mean.
I just answered a comment onthe title holder page.
Somebody made this kind ofalmost incendiary question about
well, what do title holdersactually do other than do posts

(18:41):
for more contests and posts forfundraisers?
And I finally said we do a lotmore, and it's on Facebook under
that Texas title holders thing.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But we're going to come back to that here for a
moment, so I want to read youback here in a little bit,
Otherwise you get very and Ilove you so much and I know you
go to a really quick tangentbecause people are going to
wonder why what you're talkingabout has anything to do with
kink.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
wonder why, why what you're talking about has
anything to do with kink.
And we're already what?
20 minutes into the podcast wehaven't even gotten kinky yet,
not yet, but here's.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
But here's the reason why we did this is why the
reason why I'm doing what I'mdoing because you know on this
is here, because it has a lot toportray in the community that
we're in here on this freakyfriday is that you, as a person
who genuinely loved what youlove doing right period.
Yes, you know, and you keptthat separate.
Yes, people knew who you were,but people didn't care until
we're living in 2025, 2024 orrolling into 2025.

(19:32):
People are starting to nitpickout a lot of people calling them
out and say, oh well, this guydoes this and this person does
this and yeah, you know, he'sgot an only fans and everything,
but it's just like we're.
I'm still trying to make aliving.
People are still trying to makea living.
Right, if you made, if you paida teacher, you know, in the six
digit figures for them theywould be what they're worth,

(19:53):
then we wouldn't do what we'redoing right and we would be able
to afford to live in adraconian thing like that,
because we wouldn't have to doanything of that right, exactly,
it's like then.
It's like okay, now you can.
You can walk on eggshellsbecause you get paid.
Well, that's your job.
Yeah, but I see people who areon tiktok, who who have oh no f
and teaching classes, who areworkers in teaching classes, but

(20:15):
they conquer and divide theirstuff and I did and I did, but
somebody it was an inside job,right, and that's what piss,
piss people off.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Um, you know, the thing is, karma's gonna get that
person a year and a day.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Karma's on its way oh yeah, of course, and so that,
that's the thing about it.
It's let's jump into some kinkystuff.
Yeah, please, we need to.
We need to get to some dirtystuff no, but I do love your
story because you know, yourstory does tell a story about
how we're trying to evolve inthis community, or any community

(20:50):
for that matter.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
We're just trying to live our life.
Yeah, because Mr L and CatArtemis are technically the same
physical body, just twodifferent personalities.
It's two different existences.
One is a guardian of childrenand is G-rated and would protect
a child and take the bullet forthem, and the other one, well,
he takes stuff but it's not it'snot exactly what you mean he

(21:12):
takes something else um, what isI mean?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I know a lot of it has been a lot, a lot has gone
for it for you, a lot of it hasbeen going for you and whatnot.
I know that the strike of bdsmand kinky.
How have you been dealing withthis as of lately?
What?
What steps for you?
Now that brings you into what.
How do you separate what'sgoing on in your real life to

(21:36):
want to do a scene with me, like, say, tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
like you're feeling this, but you know what, I hope
so.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, so we're like, you know we're doing this, you
know what, what, so we're likeyou know we're doing this, you
know what?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
what would it be like on that for you?
Well, I mean, because I'mbasically full-time master,
full-time bdsm now, other thanstaying at home and working on
my garden, right, I mean, I, Ihave kind of an exception to the
rule.
I can live leather all day long, 24, 7.
Now, right, I, I get twopensions.
I don't have to answer toanybody.
I don't have to do a goldenflow or a cup anymore with worry

(22:08):
about an hr telling me to dosomething.
Right, I have a luxury.
Other people don't.
So I guess, going back to allof that and kind of answering
the question, you've got tobalance everything very
carefully and you guess you'vegot to be very clandestine about
what you tell people at work.
Um, if you know some places,they could care less, and other
places, I mean obviously, likesomebody who's working in a gay

(22:31):
bar, they're not going to care.
If you're kinky as well, I mean,in fact, that's probably the
next step right, you know, butif if you're, if you're working
in a place in three-piece suitsand ties and all that stuff
right, you might have to be alittle more.
Especially if you're workingsomething like an hr or
something like that, you'regonna have to be very careful
with it, right?
So, how do you prepare for ascene?
How do I prepare for a scene?

(22:51):
Well, part of that is thenegotiations and deciding what
we're going to do, and then fromthere, I have to get into that
mental focus.
If I'm going to be doing impact,of course I'm trying to figure
out if they're thuddy or stingyand what they want, and a lot of
times we're doing this together.
But if it's something thatwe're going to prepare like for
the next day, like electro orsomething like that, I have to

(23:12):
start figuring out what theywant and what equipment I'm
going to bring.
I have to get in a mindset forwhere am I going to hit this
person for impact, or where am Igoing to zap this person?
Or if I'm going to do somethinglike pegging and anal play,
which right yes, please, if I'mtopping, I'm gonna have to start
figuring out, you know, do Iknow what this person's

(23:32):
abilities and limits are?
I mean, how far can I stretchtheir ass open with girth and
diameter and how deep can Istick it right, you know and
worry about, is it going to goover the sigmund colon in the
the junction?
Because some toys will.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
They're long oh, very some of those, oh very some of
those toys will get up there andreach in the next you know
they're spitting it out of theirmouth.
You know it's like so there'swhere my bad dragon went exactly
so when you're, when you'repreparing for a scene, like,
what is it what?
What mental state are youalways in?

(24:06):
Because for me, I feel like Ihave.
I'm in the state where I'malways in a constant flux.
Yeah, the flux is is that I gotmy personal life?
I keep fluctuating to that, butI've always felt like I'm
always in a state of kink everysingle time, because I'm always
craving or wanting it or needingit in some way, shape or form.
Right, you are my brother,exactly, so my my thing is is

(24:28):
that like, what is it when youI'm new to you and I'm coming to
you and I say, hey, I'm, I'm,I'm ted, and I ted wants to do,
uh, anal fisting with you, buthe's never done it before, but
he wants to get stretched out.
What would be the calling cardfor you to be like, okay, this
is what we need to do, this islike, what is it for you?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, ted, I would say first of all, don't expect
it to happen on the very firsttry.
Fisting is a very extreme formof anal, it's actually edge play
, in which case I would saylet's see how far we can go
safely.
I've had people want to do bigtoys and then they realize
something that's maybe at mostan inch diameter is already

(25:10):
making them struggle, right,okay, and which point I, as a
dom, have to be responsible and,as a top, have to be
responsible to say I'm not goingto press this earlier because
I'm already seeing your bodyhaving distress, correct, you
have to watch your partner, um,especially if you are doming or
topping, which are two differentthings, but they can often
converge together, right, um,but you have to watch.

(25:31):
You're the responsible one.
As a dom, you're theresponsible when you're managing
the scene.
As a top, you're the oneinflicting the, uh, the, the
sensation, whatever that happensto be.
That is correct, and so youhave to watch that.
And so if ted is trying to goto a fisting on the first date,
it's.
You have to be realistic withthem and tell them it's not
probably going to happen on thefirst, unless they happen to be

(25:54):
lying and saying they're avirgin.
It turns out they could takeboth fists and a fire hydrant.
You know, and then you know youteach classes on BDSM 101.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yes, every month.
Classes um on bdsm 101?
Yes, every month.
So my one of the questions thatwe have here right now is um
what has been your favoriteclass that you attended and
taught by someone else?
Oh, somebody else, yeah, oh,because I know that there was
one that came by recently, rightbefore kinky carnival.
Goddess, is it goddess?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
indigo, I got us in to go, so she was in town.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Recently she was in town on sunday, yeah right after
I didn't get.
I didn't get to go because Iactually had toigo.
I got us in to go, so she wasin town recently.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
She was in town on sunday actually, yeah, right
after I didn't get.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I didn't get to go because I actually had to work.
I got off at seven, so she wasdone by then.
Um, yeah, so it's like shit, Imissed it.
But uh, other than that, whatclass would you?
Who would?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
you.
I mean you might remind me ofgod, I mean goddess, would I
would probably anything from heryou you would want go to.
But my absolute favorite wasactually one done by one of my
masters, one of my not mastersmentors, master Shack.
He's still around, in fact.
He bequeathed a lot of hismaterials to me when I started
teaching 101.
And he did one about hypnosisand he basically hypnotized

(27:04):
somebody and he made them forgetthe number three and it was the
weirdest thing ever to watchthe guy count one, two, four,
five, and he was counting on hishands and he somehow got to 11
and he was confused and hedidn't understand why.
So finally he had to tell him,okay, the number three exists.
Cause he didn't.
When somebody said, well, it'sthe number three, and says what?
And he's like he literally didnot know what we were saying, he

(27:25):
thought that was a form, wow.
So it was like cause he used tobe uh, he, he was a therapist,
hypnotherapist before he and hemixed it in with his BDSM.
So he's one of those people thattaught a lot of that and so
when I watched that and I watchall this I was like I need to be
careful if he stares at me.
Maybe I got only knows what,but he told me that you can do

(27:46):
some serious things with themind because a lot of our kink
is in our mind Very much so anda lot of our chemicals that get
released are in the mind.
So if you can do stuff likethat, he actually snapped his
finger and said a certain wordto somebody else and they
started laying there having analorgasms and it was like
nothing's happening to you.
It's like your prostate's goingcrazy and you're orgasming and

(28:09):
you're moaning and you'regroaning and you're like on the
floor and it's like.
This is interesting.
I want to learn more about this.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I've never actually pursued that, but I know there's
a lot of hypno groups and stufflike that there's a lot of
stuff that I haven't gotten topursue, a whole lot that I'm
very interested in.
I know, know that there's fireflogging.
That's an actual thing, yes, itis.
I wanted to learn that or getto experience that as well.
So there was that.
And I know that there'sElectroPlay.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I teach that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Which you do, because I do like ElectroPlay from you
and I do it a little bit on myown a little bit, but I do it on
me and I get to try it on someof my boys too as well that
enjoy it.
But mine's not as high tech asyours are, you know.
At least I even though I spentprobably roughly about the same
amount of money as you do.
But you find some reallyfucking cool gadgets.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I find some nasty toys.
You really do.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I'm just like, because I know we had.
It was me, pop Rat.
It was at your pool party andwe were playing.
You were doing the lecture toyfor some reason.
Whatever time you do it, youshocked him.
The chain that I was likechilling on it fucking shocked
me as well, and then his hairwas giving me the like, so you
were like getting a doublewhammy out of both of us fucking

(29:20):
loving it.
I know, I know you were lovingit and it was just a lot of fun,
because I've always told peoplethat I've been in the kinky
community for almost 15 years,give or take, and I've been a
handler for pups for almostabout five or six years, give or
take, um, but it's like I'mstill learning the scene of the
bdsm community.
So when I tell people, yeah,I'm, I'm daddy jay, and they're

(29:41):
like, oh, what makes you a daddy?
Why do you call me?
Because I'm not.
I'm not as mean as a sir.
I don't think sirs are meaneither, because I know sirs can
be very playful, they can be.
And then you've got the masters.
It's like I'm not anointed byany masters, so I already knew
that part already.
So I'm not going to go and callmyself a master.
Like what are you a master of?
I'm like a master of being abitch, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Well, I mean master takes on several connotations
and there's a lot of people thatif they are in the master-slave
dynamic then, yes, that slaverefers to them as a master.
And sometimes when you meetsomebody in a public session you
have them introducingthemselves as like master
so-and-so and slave so-and-so,and you can see there's actually
a master-slave dynamic on there.
But for the community to haveto call them that, that's a
different thing.
You know, the covering ceremonythat I had was held by was

(30:34):
first of all done in a gay bar.
Yeah, it was, and there werepeople that would normally never
go to a gay bar that were there.
And it was the community, notjust the gay part of the
community, but even thestraights were there and it was
a whole pansexual thing.
So when I was covered, it waslike people that would never, I
would never have dreamed to beat that bar.
Uh, did it?
So it was an absolute surprise.
I thought they were therebecause they were wanting to
help us with the fundraiser.
You know, no, they were, but itwas like it was to cover me and

(30:57):
it was.
That was so a lot.
There was one time somebodyasked me when we were covering
somebody else, when the localleavenman here were giving a
more cap to somebody, it's well,why isn't he a master?
Then I said well, what is hedoing for our trans?
What is he doing for ourlesbians?
What is he doing for ourstraights?
What is he doing for ournon-binaries?
You're focusing predominantlyon gay leather men for the most

(31:19):
part, and yes, we have sometrans, we have some women there,
but what are you doing overallfor the entire community,
speaking of trans people?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
yes, let's talk about uh an event that's been the
trans awareness day transawareness day, but let's talk
about something that has beenreally on everyone's mind lately
, and that's uh grizzly bearspines.
Yeah, how do you feel aboutthat?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I went there for two different events at one point.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've never been, but their statement did not sit well
with me.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
No, I will not go to there anymore after I heard that
there's another campsite thatis welcoming everybody and
they're going to have to becausewe have in our Leatherman
groups we have trans people andif you're going to tell us we
can't let some of our people in,there is going to be a problem.
We're not gonna and I and Iapplaud the houston bears and
the rgb bears for pulling out oftheir events over there because

(32:13):
it's it's not right.
I mean, I think they've madethe wise decision.
I found it to be a lot of cheekto do the, the, the letter on
trans awareness day from grizzlypines, to see that it was like
it really got a lot of peopleupset and it really infuriated
me because my dungeon, that Iteach predominantly and I teach
in several places when peopleask me to do stuff, but where I

(32:35):
teach at munches, you can sitaround the, the circle or the
the fire pit when it's lit andthere's every walk of life there
.
And how in the world could Ilook at my non-binary or my
trans or only all the otheridentifications?
How could I look them in theeye and say you don't belong
there?
Or how could I support somebodythat's not going to be all

(32:58):
inclusive, right?
I mean, I understand especiallyI call myself a recovering
traditionalist.
Um, the same and I understandthat.
Yeah, there may be sometimesthat there may be an event or
something I go to, that's, I'mattracted to a certain thing,
but I don't, I don't, I don'tsupport saying you don't belong

(33:19):
on something like that.
Right, I'm actually applaudingaustin kink weekend for now
introducing the title mix mixtexas leather uh, allowing for
that, I mean well, that's good.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That's good because I mean, going back to what you
just said that traditionalist,um, I I'm the same way too as
well, because I, I remember justrecently, not too long ago, on
the slice of life page, I knowthat we, we know somebody who
was very white right wing, who'sa pop too as well, that I won't
bring up in here.
Uh, there were some things thatI I have said that it kind of

(33:51):
like was like, oh, I can'tbelieve you said that, because I
wasn't I'm always for everybodyor whatnot, but I'm also
somebody who's still continuingto learn, right?
So if you're going to call meout on something, I'm, I'm
willing to listen.
I'm like, okay, let me listenhere, because what if I am wrong
on certain occasions about thetrans community, the kids and
whatnot, who are trying totransition and be able to
understand that a little bitmore?

(34:12):
So, yeah, I did, I didunderstand a little bit more and
I realized that how much I wasin the wrong with all of that
too as well.
But I've also wanted people toknow that.
You know, they always have aplace of welcoming and I want to
be very very exclusive, uh, tothat.
So I just want to make sure thatpeople that Like, when they
hear this and they hear you, andthey go like, well, wasn't he
friends with such and such?
And I was like, let me, let mebrag track here a little bit,

(34:33):
because I did cut my ties withthis person.
I am no longer talking to thisperson, that person, what he
does is entirely to him.
I did call him out on Facebook.
Everyone knows this already andI think a lot of people were
surprised that I had called themout on it, because I can be
friends with anybody.
It doesn't matter your belief,it doesn't matter who you voted

(34:54):
for or whatnot.
As long as we can stay cordial,what you believe in is what you
believe in.
What you stand in is what youstand in.
Right, when I heard about that,it was kind of hard, because I
do play with everybody.
I play with trans people, Iplay with males, females, I play
with trans people, I play with,and I do too, males, females,
all of that too, as well, andthere's nothing in my, my book
or whatnot.
At the end of the day, am Istill gay?
Yes, I am, because that's whatI like.

(35:15):
Yeah, right, so, so it was justso hard for me because I'm just
like I can't.
I can't do it.
But I did find another placethat I want to go to in
september.
Um, that I found it was becauseI remember we told you before
whole grizzly pines.
I was like, hey, I wanted to goto grizzly pines because
they're having the little yeahpup night type thing going on or
there's a lot of people pullingtheir pulling their syventa.

(35:36):
So I found another place whereyou have to like kind of camp
out or whatnot or whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I think that's Nakti.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, yes, nakti, yeah , so that's.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I would recommend going there.
The owners are very, veryfriendly.
I actually know them and I willsupport them 100%.
That's why the Leathermenactually go out there to Nakti.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah.
So there was one on September19th, 20th and the 21st with
Pops, yeah, and I found a placeright next to the pond.
I'm like, well, that's actuallylike a nice place to camp out
right by the pond, because thatwould just seem like a lot of
fun there, for whatever reason.
Oh yeah.
So I said, okay, cool.
I told hubby that's what Iwanted to do for my birth a late
, late birthday, if you will,because we'll be moving out in

(36:15):
august so there's gonna be toomuch shit going on.
Yeah.
So, um, I said, okay, cool, wecan do something there Now,
we'll have some fun.
And I told Pup Rad and Pup Grimlet's go out there and have
some fun, have a good time.
And whatnot.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's where I first met Pup Rad, at NACTI.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Was it.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, and before I even knew he was married to Pup
Grim, he told me he said he hada lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
He said he had a lot of fun.
Oh yeah, and don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I absolutely love Rad and Grim.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm glad that each have respective daddies.
You're Rad's daddy and Grim isIsaac's Isaac's daddy, and so
it's like.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Speaking of which, speaking of Isaac and Kinky
Carnival, because I went theother day and I actually spoke
to them, both of them and I tookthem side by side and spoke to
them him and I kind of was likeyou know what, I think it's time
that I I wanted to apologize,uh, to isaac at first and
whatnot.
He was just like, well, Ithought we were cool, whatnot.

(37:09):
I'm like, as I told cat, I amcordial with you.
Yeah, I was like, and there wasa difference, because it's his
house.
Yeah, doesn't mean I fullyaccepted to what the terms.
I was like.
The reason I'm saying this nowis because I am actually being
the better person, yeah, andwanting to apologize, so
everything.
Kareem was the same way too.
Um, he already knows I am.
The reason why I was so upsetwith him is because, you know, I

(37:29):
helped him grow.
Didn't?
They really acknowledge a wholelot of people who helped him
grow?
Yeah, so I called him out onthat because it kind of hurts,
it stings, you know, becausewhen you're trying to lift
somebody up and trying to dosomething in the kinky community
because you believe in somebody, and a lot of people have their
nose up in the fucking air andsometimes you got to bring their
noses back down.
Look, I get it.
I know I'm an asshole, I'm adick, I know that's just who I

(37:51):
am, that's my persona.
But only the weak cannotsurvive me and only the strong
can.
Yeah, and this is why I yeah,but people are like what's that

(38:13):
have to do with anything?
Well, because in the kinkyworld I won't tolerate anybody
who is going to have their noseso far of the ass that they're
too good to be with anybodyperiod or be able to play with
somebody because of a stereotypebody or the way they look or
how they are.
That frustrates me oh yeah, thatfrustrates me a whole lot.
So that was kind of like thething.
Uh, that night at kinky garnerwe had a rough play, but anywho,
that was, that was then, thatwas, this is now.
I'm not going to give thosepeople the time and attention
either, uh on it.

(38:33):
So what would, how would you,um, how do you, how have you
handled, uh, the kinky communitythus far?
Like, how has it uh molded you,how much has it shaped you and
how much are you still?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
learning.
I'm constantly learning.
A good teacher is alwayslearning.
We'll start with that.
That's the easiest part of thequestion.
The reality is the kinky sideof it really started to develop
when things like the annexclosed and we couldn't all
gather.
So if I wanted to go dosomething, I had to start
hanging around the pansexuals inthe streets, right, and that's

(39:07):
where I really.
I mean, I already startedworking on my flogging technique
, but I had a young puppy that Iwould take out on a friday
night to this sex negativedungeon, meaning no sex allowed.
But you know all the bdsm youwant and I would flog.
I would paddle him and thenflog him and then zap him and
then we would go in the cooldown room.

(39:27):
He would fall asleep on mychest and a good puppy.
He would just sniff down on mychest and go to sleep and I
would hold him for like 45minutes.
He'd wake up and say Daddy, I'mokay now.
And I had to learn because aswe sat around the couch and
talked about stuff and sharedwhat was going on, I had the
opportunity to ask questions toother people who were known
leaders especially Master Shackand his slave, or his husband

(39:51):
now and ask, question afterquestion after question after
question.
Yeah, and I was like I finallystarted apologizing to Master
Shack about I'm sorry I asked somany questions, but he had said
your questions are well-formedand they're actually showing me
you want to know stuff, right.
And so this is the thing.
When I'm in the kink communityand I'm teaching these classes,

(40:13):
it's because I want to teachpeople things I've known,
especially the ones abouttechnique, right, about electro
technique or impact technique oranal technique and things like
that.
But I also want to talk aboutthe other things, about
relationships, contracts, what anegotiation is, and that's why
I do these questions.
That's why I do the 101 everymonth, because there's always
newcomers coming in that don'teven know what a scene is Right,

(40:36):
they don't understand.
And they come to something andthey haven't been to it yet and
they do something, figuring, oh,this is going to be okay.
And they find out theycommitted a major faux pas or
they get shunned at all of asudden.
They just walked in not knowingany better.
There's a lot of things thatthe clientele or the vibe is

(40:57):
different.
If you go to a gay bathhouse,people are going to touch each
other.
People are going to touch youuntil you push them away or
they're going to.
That's the way it used to be andthe attitude is there that if
you're there, you want it,You're looking for it Do you
feel that when you walk into abathhouse it's okay for other
people to touch each other.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Do you think that's consensual once you walk?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
in to a bathhouse.
I don't've.
I've made it very clear likeI'm also usually when I'm in a
bathhouse, I'm putting on mychaps and I've got my moire cap
on and I've got my flogger by myside.
Yeah, so I'm kind of scary tobegin with because, because it's
back to that, oh, he's a kinkyone, I need to stay away from
him, right, you know.
But uh, it's like, but I don'tlike that when somebody comes up
and starts rubbing and and I'mkind of like, unless I like them

(41:42):
.
But yeah, you need to ask,because when you go to a dungeon
, even asking to hug and allthis, may I hug you or I'll
extend my arms and they'll comerunning into my arm and I prefer
that better.
But even some swingers clubsfrom what my straight
counterparts are telling me, awoman has to escort you to the
play places, right.
So that's why I won't bothergoing.

(42:03):
I'm not going to spend $200 tobe a single male and wait for a
female to pick me up, becauseit's like I'm not freaking
interested, exactly.
If you've got a husband thatwants to play with me.
Yeah, you can watch, but youcan't touch.
I had a thing I was gettingready to play with somebody.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I did like the Temple of F, temple of flesh, because
the masters that are there, theyhave the little badges and you
know that they and they know whoI was oh man they're hard.
I mean not in a bad way, butthey're very hard, they're
strict, they have to be rightbecause I've had some run-ins
with like, with some rulesbreaking, because I think I
wrote I wore crocs one day.
You know you can't wear those.

(42:37):
It's like, dude I I wasn't, Ijust had an epilogue episode.
Once of all, I'm wearing thesethree.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
If you want me to walk barefooted, that is fine,
I'll walk fucking barefooted ifanything, and it doesn't always
make sense either, because it'slike what you walk in with, it's
like I'm going to be naked in afew minutes.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
At the same time, I'm just like why do Crocs?
Why does what I'm wearing on myfeet dictate to what's going on
?
You know what I mean.
You're a gay man and you havecrocs.
I am a gay man and I have crocs, and the only reason I had
crocs on that day was because Iwas already dealing with a lot
of foot pain, epilepsy,everything else, and the only
thing that fucking fit me thatnight were crocs oh and emily
yeah, that's all you can judgeall you want.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I have been accused of being Miranda Priestly.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
That makes both of us .

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I know that day.
There was one time at AustinKink Weekend two years ago that
the Miranda came out.
You know what that is fair.
That is fair because Because Ihad two puppies with me, uh-huh,
and one of them you knowbecause he used to be a co-host
with you a long time ago, oh,okay, okay.

(43:46):
Well, he was at the time.
He was a puppy with me andsomebody else was also there
Naha was with me, uh-huh, and ifNaha ever hears this, I want
you back as a boy, but he's oneof them that I would allow the
return policy for.
So so they're walking with meand they're flanking me on
either side and we're doing thisand I had we actually had

(44:06):
signals, because I was one ofthe judges and I needed to go
meet everybody in that back areaof sir rats and austin and I
had little signals to let themknow, to do something to
interrupt me and get theconversation so I could end the
conversation and move on and goand meet everybody.
Well then we went inside to goshopping and what they decided
to do is they went back outthere to go hang out with the
puppies and they left theirmaster by themselves shopping,

(44:28):
oh shit.
And then I finished purchasingand I stood out in the front of
the front of Austin, surrattleather, and I did the pursing
of the lips and this one puppydown at uh, down in, uh, corpus
Christi.
He does a lot of bones.
Yes, tony, tony, shout out toTony too, I love him dearly.

(44:49):
Um, he saw me and he was likehe caught the purse lips and he
was like master, what's wrong?
And it says, and I started withthe where are my puppies that
are supposed to be on my side,sir, why is it's time to go on
to the Austin Eagle?
Why is nobody ready?

(45:10):
He ran into the crowd, foundthem, grabbed them by their
shirts and threw them in frontof me.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
He said don't you leave your fucking master again.
It's like we're sorry, sir.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
So we all got in the truck and Tony bummed a ride
with us to the, to the all-stareagle that he disappeared
somewhere.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
But I think, uh, kinky carnival was the first
time, I think, in a very longtime.
I think it was.
I don't know if it's our firsttime.
I hopefully pop rad canactually uh correct me on this
one.
I'm not too sure, but it's thefirst time that me and rad have
actually been out as master anddom.
I mean kinky carnival, kinkycarnival, okay yeah that's the
first time that mean him was andhe is as the handler and he's

(45:50):
my pup.
I I wore my hood that day but Iwasn't feeling the hood so I
switched over to my daddy.
J hat, yeah, uh, it was.
That was the first time that meand him were together and he
was by my side.
He had the.
I would have him go check onhis husband occasionally and
then I'd tell him come back orwhatnot, and then he was playing
with other people and I wouldhave him sit.
He was by my leg.

(46:10):
He was being a very good boy.
But I've heard, but you know,throughout the entire night he
stayed by my night.
I kept him.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I was holding him.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
We went to the back and did our thing and outside
and um, you know, I got to meeta lot of people back, by the way
, I do too, I really do.
But anyhow, that kinky carnival, I actually 100 thoroughly
enjoyed myself.
It was the first time I'veactually got to have pup uh, my
pup in my hand, by my side 24, 7, uh, there by my side.
Every single step that I had,that's a beautiful feeling.
It really was a beautifulfeeling and you know what, and I

(46:46):
miss that feeling and if and Ifeel as somebody who's always
busy I do feel neglected, likeI've neglected my pups a lot,
though, and they've been very,very generous to me one of the
other one.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Very much so, because when you don't give your subs
enough time and permission, goback and read the story of nella
on a fat life, um, which I love, by the way, which is the
problem.
Uh, my very first boy, nella,and of course the name is
spelled backwards.
If you didn't miss the otherpodcast, yeah, um, he left me
because I wasn't giving himenough attention and he had two

(47:20):
other boyfriends and the oneboyfriend basically convinced
him I wasn't interested and Iwas so busy being critical of
him that things fell apart andit was my fault.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Nate, don't get me wrong, I don't ever.
I'm never hard on him.
I'm never hard on him becauseI'd never want to be hard on my
own boy.
Yeah, let alone.
I treated like if I was my ownrelationship with my husband for
almost nine years.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Right, I'm always encouraging you're gonna do the
positive and investing in thetime with it because he's like
he wanted to do and go for.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Uh, mister, he wanted to run for the leather
competition and everything else.
I said, okay, you can.
I was like, just remember,there's a lot of work that goes
into it I'd say title holdersyes, so I was like because he
goes.
Hey, he asked me how come Ihaven't done a title holder.
I was like for one, I'm a busybee.
Two, I've already got my ownshit going on.
Three, I don't need a titleholder to put myself out there

(48:09):
because I'm already out there.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I was like if you ask anybody, either people
are going to love me or hate meor they want to talk shit behind
my back here's the thing youneed, and the other thing I tell
people is you need to bealready doing some of the work
before you do the title.
The title does not give you theright to start doing the work.
You should already be doing it,right?
Um, I'm gonna go out of soapopera here.
Get ready, folks.
This is some things about titleholders this is a master cut.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I'm gonna give you a two minute rant.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Okay, so here it is.
Um, when you're a title holder,you should already be doing the
work.
Um, understand that when youget a title, it now obligates
you to some of these thingsinstead of you getting to choose
them.
And that's one of the thingswhen people ask well, why do you
want to be Mr Texas Leather?
You've already got three titlesand you're already covered.
Why else would you do it?

(48:54):
Well, because now I'm notworking, I have the time to do a
lot of this stuff during theweek and on the weekends.
Do all these appearances thatyou have to do, and some of them
basically become mandatory.
I mean, if you read the rules,you have to find at least six
appearances you make.
But I guarantee, if you only dothe six, that's where people
going to talk about you sayingyou're lazy.
Yeah, and that's the problem.

(49:15):
If you're going to be a titleholder, you've got to understand
you're going to have to do alot of work.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
You're asking for the job to be up in front why do
these title holders have theirnose so far up their hair?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
because some of them think they're beautiful and that
some of them want it becausethey're pretty, not because
they're functional.
Some of the contests you winbecause you look good in a
jockstrap, not because you youtested.
It really depends what theyasked for in an interview and
that's a big fight.
I mean, I get into fights withpeople all about the time
because some people they'repretty and that's all they can
talk about is how pretty theyare.
Look at me, okay, and that is.

(49:47):
That is a problem pretty andfunctional are not always the
same thing is is there aparticular body type for leather
?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
do you have to be fit to be in leather?
Do you have to.
I mean I'm not, I know you'renot and I know I'm not, but I'm
just saying is there, do youhave to?
I mean, I know you're not and Iknow I'm not, but I'm just
saying do you have to be aparticular look?
Do you have to be moremasculine or can you be feminine
?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Do you have?
Can you be a?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
man, or can you be a woman?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
in leather Leather in itself, and I'm glad because
shout out to our leather sisters, and our trans siblings as well
, on this Leather in and ofitself is an attitude.
It really is.
It is an attitude.
It really is.
It is an attitude.
Now I have a graphic I puttogether for me and my boys of
my house when I had them honor,integrity, temperance, trust.
I don't care what you look like, have those, have respect.

(50:36):
Then leather where.
Learn how to wear the leatherand make it fit and look right
on you.
So, if you're a big boy, wearthe size 6X and rock that thing,
right.
Okay.
If you're a size XXS, eat acheeseburger and then wear an XS
.
Okay, I'm sorry not to dismiss,I'm a big boy and I'm hungry

(50:57):
and I will eat you.
And then, and then love has gotsix different verbs for it
Right.
Including.
You know, not everybody thinksabout eros.
You know the sex part ofleather, but there's the agape
and the filejo, which are kindof the brotherhood, and the
other one that's a feel-good one.
And then there's self-love aswell, where you've got to also

(51:21):
love yourself.
Some of the people that are theugliest to other people is
because, deep down, they don'tlove themselves Exactly to also
love yourself.
Some of the people that are theugliest to other people is
because, deep down, they don'tlove themselves exactly.
And when I can see a brother orsister or sibling, whatever
they wish to be called, even ifthey're not wearing leather I'm
not wearing leather today, butyou can still see and feel the
leather in me.
Right, I'm wearing the tackiestpink shorts ever.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I would never be caught dead in a leather bar
with this I I got the pressinglips of Miranda Priestly right
now.
Yes, but I'm not wearing Crocsand my white socks match my
white T-shirt.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I have a black hat on and black shoes to do the black
on the outside white on theT-shirt and the socks.
Right in the middle is pinkwith my shorts and my jockstrap,
so I've got it all colorcoordinated.
You can see the jock if youwant.
It matches.
I know I can see it from here.
Yeah, you can see it.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
But it's funny because I've always told people
it's kind of hard to battleanybody that's in the community.
That is pretty, because you dohave people who are very pretty,
who are very good looking,people right, and they have
their nose so fucking started,they ask ass.
But sometimes when they see meit comes back down because they
know I'm gonna call them out.
I'm like why, hey, bring yournose down just a little bit.

(52:28):
And they see me just like hey,hey, hey, daddy, how are you?
I'm just like I'm doing good.
I was like, did I, did I seethat nose there for a moment?
No, I was like I'm saying hi toeverybody, I'm, I'm mingling
with everybody.
I was like, boy, don't, don't,let me find out you're having
that nose bar up your ass,because you don't need that shit
.
You have to remember.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I mean, I used to be the speaker dancer in the 80s or
90s.
I danced on the speakers at themax you used to dance on rocks.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
What the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, I did that too.
I had to avoid the lava.
That's how I stayed on beat.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You were the original Lava's on the floor.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Lava coming, lava coming out of something besides
the mountain, so much troubletomorrow.
Yeah, I know you will be okay,so it's okay, but um I'll tell
y'all stories.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, you just wait, we've added impact to the scene
you know, we haven't done a goodimpact scene in a very, very
long time, so I will definitelylove floggers out first, before
we do all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, I'm down so, if nothing else, I flog you as a
top, you peg me as a bottom.
So yeah, we go.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
We got a perfect dynamic.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
You get perfect dynamic, but the thing is even
the most body beautiful and Iwas a speaker dancer in the 90s.
I did it at the max when I wassneaking out and doing that
stuff.
I was an aerobics instructorand a kickbox instructor and I
could wear the little crop topsand all that stuff.
Right, I mean, I was.
I was, I guess, hot at the time.
Um, you still are well, thankyou good answer.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
So would it only be one correct answer to that
master cat?
I am not trying to get killed.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
The body does change I even know I even know some
people that they not only were,you know, using their body as
beautiful, they were using it tomake their money.
Basically, they were a personof the night, and now that
they're older and they're not aspretty as, say, the new 18 or
21-year-old that's come out,they've lost their clients and

(54:17):
they don't know what to do now.
They've never had a function ora purpose.
The problem is with a lot ofpeople if they rely only on
pretty and never really get toknow people when it's time that
pretty doesn't work for themanymore and it will ultimately
happen.
It may take 20 years, it maytake 30 years.
When pretty doesn't work foryou anymore, what skills have
you got now?

(54:37):
oh, that's a yeah, that's amillion dollar fucking question
that's, that's the thing, and Isee that's where bitter queens
come in.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
You know when.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
You can't be pretty forever.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Beauty fades, at least forever.
Yeah, well, that's true.
I mean, look at this.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
But the thing is it's a lot of what I look at.
I mean, we haven't even gottento the white witch bit of it,
but for me I look at the souland for me I look at the soul.
And this is where, going backto a lot of the questions you
asked about trans and othergroups, I look at the person's
soul and I look at the person'sheart.
First, the body is beautiful,but that's simply a container
for the person.
I look at their feelings, Ilook at their.

(55:15):
So I ask them those questionshow are you doing?
And I look straight in theireyes, right like I'm doing right
now to you, and maybe it'sbecause I have empathic bits or
whatever it is, but I want toknow that person that way.
That's why, when I sit aroundthat fire and I talk to people,
it's on those levels, aboutwhat's going on in their life,
and that's where leather is.
That's where leather is.

(55:36):
Yes, we outwardly express itwith our clothes, but if you
make only the fashion or onlythe physique your point of
leather, yes, get it.
Kinky carnival is a fashionshow.
It really is.
It's about everybody being sexy.
But leather goes so muchfurther than that.
That's where the educationcomes in.
That's where the relationshipscome in.

(55:56):
Like I said, a lot of myleather brothers.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I can see them out of leather we got four minutes and
I want to ask you one importantquestion, because everything
you're giving me is fuckingfantastic.
Yes, I'm going to give you twominutes on this, maybe three on
it, and we'll do our closinghere.
Um, what advice would you givethose who are trying to get into
leather community?
Where do they need to start andwhere do they need to go?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
first of all bdsm 101 and maybe history of leather.
If you really want to go intothe specifically leather thing,
um, I would get them the veryfirst thing.
I would get them.
Of course we gift leather topeople.
I would get them a vest or Iwould get them a harness.
Um, I have also gifted chaps topeople, um, so the physical

(56:38):
gift or something like that.
I know the leatherman give thelittle tag that they can put
their pins on and all that stuff, which is a wonderful thing too
.
I would get somebody to mentorand understand what's going on.
Really, get the one-on-onesdown first before you go out
there and understand what you'regoing to see.
When you go to a leather bar,what are you going to see?
If you go to a dungeon or aplay party or something like
that, it you gotta be preparedfor it, but even then you still

(57:00):
can't be completely prepared forit.
Like when you first went totemple the first time, I
couldn't describe it to you.
I can tell you what washappening, but until you walk in
that door and you seeeverything that's going on, you
can't really fathom it.
So you need somebody that's beenthere for a while, like me, as
a mentor, too, that turn aroundand walk you in and show you
this and show you around.

(57:21):
That's what I do.
That's what I do now as Imentor all over the place and
show you around.
That's what I do.
That's what I do now as Imentor all over the place.
I meet a new boy or I meet anew person interested in leather
, no matter where their walk oflife is he, him, they, them and
that's what I do.
This is our culture, this iswhat's going on and all that
kind of stuff, and that's reallywhat I do, right?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
See, I have leather myself too as well.
So you've seen my leatherjackets, right?
Yes, and I've seen yourbeautiful pink vest.
I love it, my beautiful pinkvest.
I love it so much because Iresonate it with my.
I'm such a fucking nerd becauseI am a big Dragon Ball Z fan
and I do the whole like MajinBuu and whatnot.
So I put the big O-M on therefor Majin, because it only it

(58:03):
resonates, because I'm just likeyou.
I'm also a witch as well.
You're just, you're more of awiccan, so you're white.
I'm more of chaos, so majin buuhappens to play I have yin and
yang yeah, literally.
And then I have my purple onethat my best friend's going to
work on there for me and it'sgoing to be one of my favorite
characters, which is going to befrieza, and she's going to hand
draw everything on there.
So what I wanted to do is like,if you can hand draw everything

(58:25):
on there for me, you're goingto get a lot of people in the
leather community that's goingto come to you because you know
how to draw and do all of thisshit.
So, yeah, she's, she's fuckingfantastic.
That's why I want you to meether, so much.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And your pink vest also flags pink for dildo.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Speaking of which I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Until we meet again.
So this has been the MatureMischief Podcast, and I
appreciate you, kat, for comingon here and being a wonderful,
wonderful co-host filling in forSister D or, in this case,
delicious D here for us onFreaky Friday, as always.
You can always find Kat Artemison any of his Facebook,
instagram, and also on FetLife,too, as well.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Especially.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
FetLife, especially Fet instagram, and also on
fetlife too as well, especiallyfetlife, especially fetlife.
He's very, very active on there.
Remember, fetlife is not adating app, so don't try to.
It's not like grinder or tinder, I mean, if you want to ask
questions it's facebook forkinksters yeah, it really is.
So it's a lot of fun becausethere is one person that's on
there I don't, I don't knowtheir name, but they uh really
quickly before, because I onlygot a few seconds here.
Um, they have fish hooks on thevagina or whatnot, and oh, it's

(59:27):
so beautiful.
Yes, it is so fucking beautiful.
So, whoever they are, shout outto you uh read my dissertations
.
Yes, yes and uh.
Of course, you can always findus on all of our platforms here.
We are definitely on spotify,apple iheart radio too.
As well.
Look for us on there.
Make sure you like andsubscribe and share to all of
our platforms, and I appreciateyou and, as always, thank you

(59:50):
for tuning into the MatureMischief Podcast.
I am your host, daddy J andMaster Cat.
Thank you, I appreciate it somuch.
Thank you Until we meet againnext time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Love y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Bye.