Lochness Monster/Tatterhood, a Norwegian Fairytale

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Jen (00:01):
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So, I guess I'm going to jumpright in and go first.
Awesome.
So I'm going to be sharing aninteresting tale from Scotland.
Ooh, okay.
Yay.
Yes.
Place I have not been, but Iwant to go so, so badly.

(01:08):
So yeah, right.
Just gorgeous and green and theaccents and the kilts.
Oh my goodness.
And the kilts and the, okay.
So essentially in Scottishfolklore large, we know have
been routinely associated withbodies of water from even their

(01:32):
smallest of streams to theirvery large lakes.
These bodies of water can hostanything from, well, I wanna
focus on the Kelpies, which I,oddly enough, had not really
heard that much about, have youhad you a kepi Kelpies?

(01:55):
No Kels, like K yeah.
K E L P I E.
Yeah.
No.
What are the, yeah, so they'rekind of like water horses.
They have magical powers andalso some issues with
malevolence we can say.
So one legend says that theseKelpies will lure small children

(02:21):
into the water by offering themrides on back.
and once the children climb onfor this Fri the body of the
kepi is almost like a stickysubstance, like a glue almost.
So once you touch it, yeah, thenyou're stuck literally, like

(02:45):
you're stuck.
And so they're dragged away to,you know, quote unquote, a
watery death with their liversspecific livers only washing
ashore the following day.
I suppose just as confirmation,to their parents or other
children that they are indeedgone, cuz they're probably not

(03:06):
okay without their liver, buthow, I don't know, but that was
very, the liver was so specific.
Why that organ?
Yeah.

Yasmine (03:15):
okay.
That's dark.

Jen (03:17):
So the KES, they do not stop there.
They also can shape shift, whichis fun for everyone.
So they can shape, shift inshape, shift into what they
would call an aquatic spirit.
So I'm trying to, okay.

(03:37):
So basically if they're, if theyshape shift, we, well, not that
the whole horse thing wasn'tmalevolent, but this is
definitely gonna be malevolentso they can appear as a lane
pony beside the river that wouldobviously draw people to it.

(04:01):
Yeah.
Then it can also.
Which well, and that of courseties in even more to the
children.
Because you know, yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't be able toresist it either, but as an
adult, but yeah, so obviouslyyou're gonna go check on that,
you know, pony, see what's upand then you're, you're done and

(04:22):
only your liver we'll, you know,come back to tell the tale, I
suppose.
But they also can shape, shiftinto a beautiful woman.

Yasmine (04:33):
Oh, okay.

Jen (04:36):
Yes.
And why you may ask what theywant to do that, who are they
gonna be attracting at thatpoint?
Right?
The men.
Yes.
When that happens.
Well obviously the, the, the menare taken into the sea.
They drown doesn't say anythingabout the livers only mentions

(04:59):
the livers in association withthe kids.
So I'm not really sure aboutthat part.
They also could take on the formof a Harry human lurking by the
river, ready to jump out at UNSUunsuspecting folks that are
traveling by and they crush themto death with just their, yes.

(05:25):
Awesome.
So K's also can be responsiblefor conjuring a flood to sweep a
traveler.
And cause them to drown.
Oh my

Yasmine (05:38):
goodness.

Jen (05:40):
Yeah.
So there's a common Scottishfolk tale about the kepi and the
10 children.
So having Lord nine childrenonto its back, it chases after
the 10th, the child strokes itsnose and his finger becomes

(06:00):
stuck fast.
He manages to cut off his fingerand escapes.
The other nine children aredragged into the water, never to
be seen again.
Oh my gosh.
Moral of the story.
Don't go near the water, like somany other folk tales and scary

(06:22):
boogeyman stories that we, thatwe hear about.
Another really cool thing.
Well the sound of a K's tailentering the water is said to
sound like thunder.
Oh.
So if you are passing by and youhear this, then I guess this is
when it's not being malevolentit is warning you that there's

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gonna be a storm approaching.
Oh,

Yasmine (06:47):
okay.

Jen (06:49):
So it does have a a weak spot.
If you were to find yourselfentangled stuck, I guess if you
didn't put both hands on, cuzyeah.
Anyway hopefully you left a handfree that's weak spot is at its
bridal.
And if you can get a hold of itsbridal, you will have command

(07:11):
over it.
And any other kepi.
That may also be present.
And so if at that point you arenow able to own that Kel
basically like it's your, yourhorse from the so queen,

Yasmine (07:27):
huh?
I'm the Kelby queen.

Jen (07:30):
Yes exactly.
Oh so, and that would be, youwould be super happy about that
because a captive kepi was saidto have the strength of at least
10 horses and the stamina ofmany more.
Wow.
So highly sought after thatwould be a very good thing.
Especially as we know, horseswere gonna be about any culture

(07:55):
you were in very important foryou to get your transportation,
a but your work done any kind offarming you do, any of that
stuff.
Construction building stuff, youknow, it's gonna involve horse,
so a super strong horse evenbetter.
So.
That is yeah.
All I have to say aboutScotland.

(08:15):
Just kidding.
Yeah.
So there was breaking news thisweek about Scotland.
And so that was just a littlesegue into what I really wanna
talk about and I can talk aboutforever.
Which is any real, really youknow, cryp logic, creature out

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there.
So we're gonna talk about theLockness and that is located for
anybody that's been under 12rocks forever.
That is in the ScottishHighlands.
It is the, a lock, you know, alot of P I did have to look this
up somewhere along the way.
So I know a lot of people, youknow, you've heard of lock nest,

(08:56):
but what's a lock.
It is a lake.
It could also be a sea inlet,but in this case, it's.
and something I really hadn'treally looked too much into, but
just this little side noteLockness is part of a network of
waterways that were linked in1822 via the Caledonia canal and

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it's 788 feet deep and 23 mileslong.
Wow.
That's that's a long way.
Yeah.
And of course it's aboutSouthwest of Inverness, so
largest fresh water source ingreat Britain.
And that's a good thing cause ithas to hide a very large

(09:40):
monster.

Yasmine (09:43):
good.

Jen (09:43):
So.
Little history in here.
I'll try to read through most ofmy notes cuz it's, it's a lot
I'm realizing now that you know,probably a lot of people would
not want to hear all of this, soI'll try to condense some of
this.
So always comes back to theRomans, doesn't it?
When the Romans first came toNorthern Scotland, which was in

(10:06):
the first entry ad they find.
The gorgeous Highlands alreadyoccupied by a strange to them
looking a group of, of folks.
And they were covered in tattoosor historians think it could
have been that they had veryintricately painted themselves.

(10:29):
And I don't know that I'm sayingthis right, cuz again, we get
Latin and all this mess and Ijust don't know.
But the picks P I C Ts and thatwould literally translate to
painted people.
Okay.
So we, what they, what we doknow is of course we know that
there's lots of cans and, andmonoliths and stone sculptures

(10:51):
and stone, you know, I can't theword just left me completely.
We know there's a lot of rocksthat obviously meant something
in Scotland and Ireland, Wales,all of these things.
And so certainly Scotland hasit's it's fair share.
And, but what they havediscovered from from these
people, the, what I'm gonna sayis the picks PS C T S I don't

(11:12):
know, somebody will correct meis that they obviously had a
great reverence to animals innature, which that's not super
unusual because obviously muchmore so than we would do now.
They relied heavily on, youknow, trying to understand the
weather and you know, animalswere gonna be very sacred to

(11:33):
their livelihood whether it wasanimals put to work for them to
accomplish tasks, or if it wassimply to eat and provide, you
know, some sort of clothing, youknow, that kind of thing.
Yeah.
So they, the stones are verythat have survived, are
intricately carved andhistorians, archeologists.

(11:55):
They're able to pretty easilymake out most of the animals
that that have been carvedexcept for one.
And that one is a is quote, astrange beast with an elongated
beak or muzzle head like a spoutand flippers, instead of, so

(12:22):
some scholars have described itas looking like a swimming
elephant.
and I saw the picture and Icould see that my mind wouldn't
have gone there if I hadn't seenthat.
And now I'm like, I guess that'sabout as close as you could get
when you look at this this stonewith, you know, with this carved
into it.

(12:44):
So that's the they call it theish beast is the earliest known
evidence.
That there's some strangecreature that you know, that
they obviously found importantenough to include on you know,
along with all of these otheranimals on these stones and that

(13:07):
archeologists aren't able toreally figure out what in the
world it would even be.
So that's Pretty cool.
I think and so an article I readsaid, you know, so when they
they've of course known aboutthese and seen this for, for a
long, long, long time that hashelped to for at least 1500

(13:27):
years, a sense of discovery of,you know, we know that that's
when that stone was carved atleast 1500 years ago that the
Lockness is home to some sort ofmysterious aquatic creature.
Wow.
So now getting to the earliestrecorded, so written record of

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something amiss near Lochness isfound.
And again, you know, thepronunciation, I, you know,
apologize a Dom.
Wrote life of Saint colo in thesixth century ad.
And so he has written this abouta hundred years after the Saint

(14:12):
colo, who of course was San itafter he died.
Cuz you know, that's how that,that would work.
I, I suppose, in that religionand this St colo was credited
with basically introducingChristianity to Scotland in 85,
65.
That's yeah, 5 65.

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So really long time ago,essentially.
So he was an Irish monk and heis going, he's spreading
Christianity, trying to youknow, to get that going.
So of course he's interactingwith the picked people and he
finds himself near Lochness.

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And this is a very water downversion of the account from I
don't know why I wanna try thisagain.
A, a Dom, Nu So St.
Colo and Irish monk was toldthat a quote water beast had
dragged a local man under water,drowning him.
St colo enlisted one of hisfollowers to swim across the

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river to lore NEI ashore.
Of course, NEI is me but halfwayacross the sea serpent attacked
the man mm-hmm shocking.
Great.
And according to onlookers, St.
Colo made the sign of the crossand shouted go no farther.
Do not touch the man.
Go back at once.
And the creature made a hastyretreat.

(15:41):
Oh yes.
So yeah, I mean it's a long timeago.
It's interesting, you know thata water beast that, you know,
certainly to me makes me thinkit had to be something large.
Yeah.
Something that, you know, he wasnot familiar with, but I'm

(16:02):
thinking he's from Ireland.
So, you know, not exactly like.
Coming from, I don't know,Oklahoma or something where you
don't have much water you or,you know, to encounter a
aquatic, you know, creature orsomething like that.
So I found that just a littlebit interesting.
So, and it was a, a wicked longtime ago, so that too but the

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legend, as we know it today isactually much more recent.
And so the modern legend ofLochness monster dates from
1933.
Wow.
Which I don't know why I thoughtit was farther back, but anyway
so basically they had what's a,

Yasmine (16:45):
oh, just that

Jen (16:46):
it seems, I thought you were gonna say something, sorry.
Yeah.
So basically they had built anew road that is going, you know
I don't know if it's along theshoreline of longness, but
nearby at least.
And on an April afternoon, alocal couple, they were driving

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on this road and they spottedquote an enormous animal rolling
and plunging on the surface endquote.
So this story gets picked up bythe Inverness courier, and that
editor used the word monster,and it's actually on the front
page of, you know, big letterslike they were the lead story.

(17:29):
And so Lockness monster.
That is how it started.
So, yeah.
The super exciting And I am not,I am on purpose, not going into
all of the the plethora ofsightings that have happened
over the years.
There's a lot obviously.

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And, you know, and then withthat comes a lot of hoaxes, a
lot of potential hoaxes thatpeople are still on the fence
about including the most famous,you know, picture evidence that
stood the test of time for areally long time.
And then I'm doing it.
I said, I wasn't going to, buteventually, you know a guy that

(18:10):
really actually wants, I thinkstill to this day to very much
believe in in Nesti.
He actually got a deathbedconfession of someone saying
that they had helped to using acause I think the picture was
from the sixties.
I think I'm pretty sure thatthey had used a toy submarine

(18:32):
and some metal and paint andthat he had helped his friend or
brother-in-law one or the otherto to, to do this, you know, to
make this, this hoax up.
But, you know, a lot of peoplestill, they don't believe that
they question, you know, why cuzhe didn't come out with that
until after the man had died.
So nobody could, you know, soit, it still makes it, you know,

(18:55):
up in the air.
But you know, certainly with anycrypted with any of that stuff,
you're always gonna have peoplethat swear by, you know,
everything they've got that theyknow what they saw and you're
gonna have people that are goingto try to capitalize on that.
And for whatever reason go to,for some very extreme lengths to

(19:17):
create hoaxes.
Yeah, exactly.
So so anyway, So that's, that'sabout all I'll say about that,
but the exciting news is thatthe Lochness monster has been
deemed quote the, the, her, theword heard around the world

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plausible on July 27th.
Yes, 2022 for posterity.
So the I've been, I tried topractice saying this dinosaur's
name, but you know, I'm sittinghere like, oh, what is it again?
Pleas SOS.
Nope.
Pleas.
Sores.
Nope.
Closer.

(19:59):
Okay.
Wait, I wrote this outphonetically somewhere.
Oh, okay.
Pleas.
Sores.
Yes.
Pleas sores.
Yes.
Okay.
So essentially archeologistshave found fossils of small.
I need to think of like, Anickname for those things.

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I'm gonna call'em P sores fromnow.
No, that sounds gross.
Wow.
That sounded weird.
Oh, scratch that completely.
Oh, I gotta just pleas a sore.
I can do this pleas sore.
Okay.
Woo.
Yeah, that, I don't know thathit a little weird.
Anyway, Ellen, this, my nextsentence is gonna make, that

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would make it even worse that Iwrote.
So yeah, everyone erased thatimmediately.
So fossils of small pleas sores,which typically had small hits,
long neck

Yasmine (20:58):
and four long flippers.

Jen (21:04):
Woo.
Yeah, that would've been.
Oh, yeah.
That's probably why no one'sever asked me to give them a
nickname ever.
it's all becoming clear now.

(21:26):
Okay.
Any who, who, okay, soessentially they found those
fossils of what I just said.
I'm never repeating that again.
Under the in a 100 million yearold river that lies under
Moroccos Sahara desert.
Okay.

Yasmine (21:45):
But

Jen (21:46):
yes.
So, okay, go ahead.

Yasmine (21:54):
Do you hear, can you hear me uhoh did you freeze?
I can, now I was saying peoplesaw them in the 1930s.
How could they be still aroundif.

Jen (22:06):
I know.
Right.
I know.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm gonna touch on that.
Okay.
So that, so basically, cuz atfirst I saw that I just saw
plausible and I was so excited.
So then as I was reading throughit, I was like, okay, great.
What does that mean?
We've already found fossils, Ithink in like 1820 something.

(22:30):
A female archeologist.
I don't remember her name.
Sorry everyone.
But she had already discoveredthis dinosaur so this isn't like
brand new or anything.
But this is why this is reallycool.
So prior to this discovery inthis river, they were thought to
be a Marine only, which meansthey had to be in the sea, that

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they could not survive in freshwater.
Like the Lockness.
Okay.
So this discovery because theyfound like a big one and a
little baby PLE sores.
Yeah.
And so they feel 100% certainthat they did in fact live in

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this river.
Wow.
So so yeah, so basically thisdiscovery suggests that some
species cuz you know, like everyanimal, there's 50 different
whatevers of it.
That some species of thisdinosaur that they had long
believed were sea creatures onlymay have and most likely could

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survive and live and thrive infresh water.
Wow.
Yeah.
How cool is that?
So.
They yeah, that's boring.
So that would essentially belike some whales, like the BJA
whale that is able to, you know,do do both.
So the statement from bathuniversity, they're the

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scientists that led the researchin Morocco, said the existence
of the Lockness monster.
This is where they have to getall sciencey on one level was
quotes

Yasmine (24:16):
plausible.
Oh, wow.
so, yeah.

Jen (24:20):
So, so yeah, I don't know.
It was cool.
I mean I thought, well, I mean,we haven't found big foot bones.
Right.
I don't think that I know offossils or anything.
I don't know if we've had anymajor archeologists say that's
plausible.
I don't know.
And I'm not a big foot hater.
Don't come at me.
But so just a little bit moreabout that.

(24:45):
Well, that whole thing aboutjust the dinosaurs and back to
your question earlier of, well,yeah.
How did someone see it in 1933?
And people like continue totoday, you know, make reports to
the official Lockness monsterpeople.
They exist, they do exist.
You know, even today they getsome, you know, a couple of

(25:06):
week, whatever so that we haveto really think about and talk
about cryptozoology.
I'm always so proud when I cansay that word without screwing
it up.
So essentially the Locknessmonster has been one of the hot
targets for cryptozoology, whichbasically means it's a study of

(25:28):
animals.
Is it even animals.
Yeah.
Animals whose existence has yetto be proven.
Wow.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So that's essentially what acrypta zoologist is, what crypta
zoology is, and that's how weget crypted that the mythical
creatures, you know, that kindof thing.

(25:48):
So it it's, it's a playoff of,or that Crys comes from
cryptozoology, which is yeah.
Way easier to say.
So I'll give on that one.
So thousands of cultures reportCrys of some, some sort, I
didn't include all of the, Imean, we know, you just think
like chew Cobra, like I said,big foot, whatever, but besides

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the Lochness monster, sothinking of other lake crypted
we've got champ in the UnitedStates and I think champ is in
Canada too.
Pretty sure.
Yeah.
Japan.
S E I, I don't know.
I S S I and lake Akeda I K E D aand Lord Iceland that the, that

(26:36):
whole Scandinavian language.
Okay.
I I'm just, no, I'm gonna spellit.
The L a G a R F L J O T worm.
I can say that part.
So that is in the a lake thatLaga Thor, whatever lake in
Iceland, they have that no, I'mnot gonna say that cause I'm not

(26:59):
sure.
I do know.
I'm pretty sure the Izzy inJapan.
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go outon a limb.
I am pretty sure that the one inIceland, the worm in Iceland,
that unlike Nesti, they are likedouble humpbacked.
You know, like yeah, yeah.
Instead of just you seeing likethe, you know, of, of Nesti

(27:22):
those have yeah.
Like two and I'm pretty surethat they're bigger too, which
that would make sense if they'vegot double.
Yeah.
So.
So Nesti is certainly not the,the only one and those two, I,
I, don't not sure about lakeChamplain and I, I didn't look
that one up.
I don't know why haven't thoughtmuch about champ.

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They call him champ.
Yeah.
Champ being here than I caremore about Nesti and Scotland,
but it's, it's Scotland again,the accents and the kilts, you
just can't help it.
I like their, their cryptedbetter.
I don't know.
But those others, so Japan andIceland also take their their
sea monsters lake monsters very,very seriously as well.

(28:04):
With museums at the respectivelakes and research and all of
that stuff.
So people are very convinced ofthe existence of those creatures
as well.
So I started thinking this ismy, my last little part, but so
I started thinking, I was like,okay, if, and, and this is, you

(28:25):
know, how many creatures arethere if you just even think
about the ocean?
Like how many yeah.
You know, are there, have wediscovered them all?
No, we know that.
Yeah, likely not happened.
Exactly.

(28:45):
So now mammals is a bit ofanother, you know, another
story.
I, they, I think they estimatethat like 80, some high, 80% of
mammals are probably all known.
But the aquatic life, definitelya totally different story.
So it's crazy because, and thisis from the Smithsonian, so not,

(29:06):
you know, nothing wack could doout there.
They basically say in roughterms, estimates of the number
of undiscovered species in theocean range from a few hundred
thousand to more than 10 million

Yasmine (29:21):
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Yes.

Jen (29:26):
So they they've got different models that they use
to try and figure out how topredict that hence the wide
range of of, of numbers there.
But basically it comes down topercentage wise that 86% or no,
no, I'm sorry.
91% of Marine species remainundiscovered 91% that, and so.

(29:53):
Yeah.
So, you know, and that is partof the reason that I think you
really especially with theLochness monster, why I think
people are able to even givethat more credence than other
crypted, like say big foot orsomething like that.
Because we know that with whenit comes to ocean waterways,

(30:14):
whatever, we really have onlyscratch the surface of what.
What has been discoveredexactly.
So I think it just continues togive that hope that there is
still, you know, something thatmaybe has evolved and from
dinosaur days from, you know,whatever that has managed to

(30:36):
survive that we just scientistsjust have not discovered yet.
So of course, who knows you knowit's easy to to get sucked into
it and really believe some ofthe accounts that people, you
know put of the people that,that give them they're very
credible and whatever.
And there's so many that youthink, oh, absolutely.

(30:57):
You know, there's also thefamous thing of the Yeti.
Somebody thought they had gottena picture of a Yeti and then
they go back the next day andrealize in different, you know,
different time of day realizethat they had photographed a
rock.
And so, you know, there's a lot.
And so I think, especially ifyou have folks that, you know,
really, really want to believe,then your mind can play tricks

(31:20):
on you certainly in bodies ofwater and you know, all that.
But we haven't discoveredeverything.
So who's to say that there aresome, you know some creatures,
some species out there that havedefied, you know, Yeah, what we
think we know.
So serious research into theLochness monster continues on

(31:42):
today.
There are projects going on,involve high intensity high can
word just left again, basicallylike military grade sonar that
kind of thing.
They continue to pick up thingsthat they can't explain while
doing like the side to sidesonar and other methods they use
cameras and they will get massesthat are very large and appear

(32:06):
to be traveling at a, a goodrate of speed.
And that's the thing with thisplea.
Pleases SOS that they know thatwith the four flippers and the
way that they, their best guessof course is that it would swim
was almost like flying.
Like it would mimic flying.

(32:27):
So, and they, and it, despiteits neck being, you know, all
whatever, and we see it likethis, they actually think that
that it's neck, or at least thatspecies of, of that particular
source was actually rigid.
And that's what helped it togain more speed and the flippers

(32:49):
and stuff, but, and the otherthing, oh, how did, how did I
forget this?
Oh, if you're, if you're in thecamp of, I believe they were air
breathers, so no fins, so thatSOS would have to poke its head
up and breathe.
Wow.
So there's only been, well, Idon't know when they updated

(33:10):
this official Lochness monsterwebsite.
But I know they had had fourthis year, 2022 so far.
And there are 1,140 sightingsofficially recorded.
Oh, oh, it's called the officiallock nest sightings register.
Very told you they wereofficial.

(33:30):
They're not playing.
Wow.
So yeah.
Oh, wow.
That's it.

Yasmine (33:36):
The lock nest monster exists.
It's plausible.
I like plausible.
I, it keeps it like I do too.
It could have happened.
We don't know exactly.
That's interesting.

Jen (33:51):
Yeah, I was very let's

Yasmine (33:53):
for this part really quick.
I gotta grab something.
Maybe can we pause for a secondor where we cut off or, oh,
absolutely.
I

Jen (34:02):
gotta grab this.
I can, yeah, I can fix it.

Yasmine (34:12):
I totally forgot that last week I used this stand that
I, I used like, like plugged myphone in at night last week and
I can charge it.

(34:37):
Okay.
Yeah, that's better.
Okay.
Whew.
All right.
3, 2, 1.
Right.

Jen (34:51):
Six one.

Yasmine (34:54):
All right.
So I went on a little bit of asearch this week, cause I kind
of wanted to tell a story.
So I kind did a, a obscurefolklore stories, you know, and
just did a search to findsomething that was interesting.

(35:16):
And as research does, sometimesit kind of took me in another
direction and then back.
And so, so we're gonna talkabout the folk tale tater hood.
Have you ever heard about thattater hood?
So it's a Norwegian, not so far.
No.
There's.

(35:37):
A couple of collectors, but theydon't know who the actual writer
of this story was.
So a couple of places I sawPeter Christian Sen and Jorgen
Mo.
Absolutely.
So those two guys, and then yep.
It comes up again in a book, itcalled a book of witches and a

(36:03):
choice of magic by Ruth ManningSanders.
So this lady, Ruth ManningSanders she, she put together
folk stories from all over theworld.
So this chatter hood story issuper duper old.
I don't exactly remember theyear that it said, but it's one
of those things.

(36:23):
Like it wasn't written down, itwas told to different people and
you know, what did it.
Or oh, sure.
Storytelling for a long time.
And then finally writtentradition, you know, so it's a
super old one.
So I read the story and I waslike, oh, well, let's find out
about this roof Manning Sanderslady, because she seems
interesting.

(36:44):
And she, she is veryinteresting.
So she was born in 1886 and shelived to 1988.
Right.
So just that, that girl, 98years old she's seen some stuff

(37:04):
she was born in Welsh.
Yeah.
But she lived in England.
She was an author and she was achildren's books.
The children's story collector,a fairy tale collector.
She would put them group themtogether from different places
around the world.
So she had stories that likebooks that were called, like,

(37:27):
let's see, I wrote some down.
It would, they'd all be calledlike a book of, and then cats
and creatures, a book ofdragons, a book of SORs and
spells.
So over 90 of these collectionsof these stories.
Wow.
So we've got go through, we'vefind them over books.

(37:50):
you talk a little bit about her.
Which everywhere.
Cuz I went to a few differentwebsites to kind of like, oh,
let's like really learn somemore about her.
Let's just put her name in andsee what comes up.
So everywhere told me that shehad an idyllic childhood and I
was like, what the heck?
why are they talking about thisso much?
But really like had two sisters,she lived on a farm like summers

(38:15):
in a farmhouse in the ScottishHighlands.
And I guess their littlefarmhouse was named Shion Shion
S H I a N meaning place wherefairies live.
So I feel like her, yeah.
Nice for any, I feel like her C.

(38:36):
Like inspired her a little bit.
Yes.
She was a poet.
She studied English literatureand Shakespeare studies at
Manchester universities.
She was very educated.
And honestly, for that time,that's a kind of a big deal.
So I, yeah, like really I was

Jen (38:53):
yes, very

Yasmine (38:55):
educated upbringing.
She was a female author and thisis why she caught my attention,
a female author during the chartof the century, which I mean,
everything that you see, likeany period pieces.
I mean, we just watched thisshow I believe it's the Alienist
like Victorian time and they,they have to change their names

(39:16):
to be able to write like stuffto the newspaper and things like
that.
So, yep.
She was using her name.
way back when mm-hmm it was notsuper popular to do that.
And maybe she got away with itbecause it was children's
stories, but even still somepeople didn't, you know, so I
thought that was really

Jen (39:34):
exactly, yeah, it is very

Yasmine (39:37):
much an accomplishment.
And I, I got kind of excited cuzI haven't seen this too often
when she got married to herhusband in 1911, they both
changed their names to ManningSanders.
Like you'd never hear, they bothchange their name usually it's
she just does it.
Yeah.

Jen (39:58):
Oh right.
Absolutely.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
So she really founded equal.
That's awesome.

Yasmine (40:05):
Progressive.
So that's pretty cool.
And George, he seemed like agood guy.
Mm-hmm who was that was herhusband.
He I didn't write anything downabout him, her name, his name
was George.
He did some stuff.
had two kids super

Jen (40:21):
supportive.
He was progressive.
We like it.
Yeah.

Yasmine (40:27):
they

Jen (40:28):
had two support.
That's all we

Yasmine (40:28):
need to know.
David.
And then Joan Manning Sanderswas a teenage artist in the
1920s.
So that's kind of cool.
Her daughter got some fame forherself for being an artist.
And then again, the, the books,a book of right.
I mentioned that already.
Okay.
So her and George, before theyhad kids traveled with the

(40:50):
circus for two years, like soright.
so good.
Oh, have fun.
And she actually rode anelephant in the parade, so
that's kind of like.
Course she did.
She stood up.
Of course she did.
Yeah.
So right.
Her first book she wrote in 1919it was called Pedler and other

(41:15):
poems.
And then she wrote a book calledCarn in 1922.
And this book, a critic calledVirginia Wolf she described it
as a long poem by a short fatpoet.

(41:37):
What the heck, Virginia?
What a hater?
I know

Jen (41:47):
no words.
Of course we know what, right.
Yeah.
We know the deal with, with thatwith Virginia Wolf.
So yes, we'll

Yasmine (41:55):
just let that slide.
So she.

Jen (42:00):
But so that just proves women have torn down women.
It's not a new thing way back,

Yasmine (42:05):
so terrible anyways.
Yeah.
So she wrote varying Jo variousgenres now pros, poetry,
non-fiction children's storiesand then retelling of ancient
folk tales to kind of make themmore relevant to that time
period.

Jen (42:25):
Yeah.
And especially cuz the, theEnglish then would've been, I
mean it's yeah, for sure.
It's hard

Yasmine (42:31):
for sure.
So yes, he did a really good jobof putting all those things
together.
And

Jen (42:38):
so just imagine how much she is responsible for how many
stories that could have beencompletely lost without her.
Yes.
It's just like amazing

Yasmine (42:50):
particular.
is like a hundreds of year oldstory.
And then you'll see, cuz Ididn't write it down in order to
tell it like, like she told it,I just wrote bullet points to
kind of tell in my own the wordsa little bit, but there's still
so much inspiration.
You see that carries through tothe stories that we have now.

(43:12):
It's it's just, I mean, it's,it's pretty interesting anyways.
So I mean, that's it about,about Ruth for now?
She had a super long life.
She saw all kinds of stuff.
I'm sure we'll circle backaround to her because like I
said, 90 volume, like 90 volumesof these collections of stories,

(43:33):
she's gonna be like a wealth ofinformation for us,

Jen (43:38):
so absolutely.
Oh, I'm thorough.
Yeah.
So, okay.

Yasmine (43:43):
I'm gonna tell you about tatter hood.
Yeah.
So once upon a time a king andqueen they couldn't have
children.
They were very sad.
They tried and tried and theking wanted to make his, you
know, beautiful wife happy.
And the queen started to reallydespair.
She started to just be reallydepressed and wander around the

(44:04):
castle, wander around the castleground, just crying at like
everything the girl needed.
Some Wellbutrin everybody wasvery sad, like just super sad.

Jen (44:23):
Right?
So.
Is it bad that I wanna say shewas probably more scared that
she was gonna be beheadedbecause she couldn't produce

Yasmine (44:32):
an air.
That would be very accuratebecause we all know Henry aids
and how great Yeah.
So, oh yeah.
Yeah.
She was, she was definitelysorry.
Continue for sure.
So one day she went out and wasgonna go for her, walk around

(44:52):
the castle grounds and she kindof went a little further than
she normally did because she wascrying and, you know, really
upset.
And she saw old woman along the,and this lady tried to comfort
her and ask her why she wascrying.
Like, are you okay?

(45:13):
Like what's going on?
And the queen told her why I'vebeen married to the king.
We wanna have children.
He needs an air.
I need to save my butt.
Like.
What can I do?
Do you know, how to help me andthis old woman of course says
you are in luck.
Of course she is.

(45:35):
So the old woman she didn't, thequeen had no idea, but she was a
witch.
She was a kind witch.
So lucky this queen

Jen (45:47):
okay.

Yasmine (45:49):
Plot twist.
So she says, I can promise you achild, if you do exactly what I
say.
Okay.
The queen agreed and the witchgave her these directions.
She said, go home quickly, gettwo pales of water and bathe in
both pales and then spill thewater under your bed, which like

(46:15):
how full do these pales have tobe?
make a mess in the house anyway.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Spill water in.
Yeah.
Yeah, honestly, but she's got ababy.
How big are

Jen (46:29):
these pales?
Like so big.
Right?
Exactly.
That's what I'm like.
Right.

Yasmine (46:36):
More talking barrels.
Spill Hills, make a mess.
It's fine.
It's for a baby.
worst things of a tub.
Mm-hmm it's fine.
So she says in the morning therewill be two flowers.
Okay.
One will be beautiful and willremind you of the first night

(46:59):
star, whatever, like superpretty it'll be iridescent.
And then the other one will beugly.
Don't touch the ugly one.
Only eat the pretty one.
Do not eat or touch the uglyone.
So she did the things.

(47:20):
Okay.
She rush home, she took herbaths.
She spilled the water.
She went to sleep.
I mean, how she could sleep.
I don't know.
I would be too anxious to sleep.
I'd be like, what's going onwanting to please.

Jen (47:37):
Yeah.
But

Yasmine (47:39):
yeah.

Jen (47:41):
Yeah, she said.
And how did I know she was agood witch again?

Yasmine (47:44):
Interesting.
we were desperate.
It's fine.

Jen (47:54):
I was curious, say, yeah, I was thinking I was like
desperate times desperate.
Right?
Okay.
So

Yasmine (47:59):
overnight of course, two flowers spring up and the
queen was very, very excited.
The pretty flower was big andiridescent white, like.
The snow and a star and allthese descriptive words that the
story said, it was very nice.

(48:20):
There's some people that read iton YouTube, which I thought was
really fun, a couple ofdifferent versions.
So you're so inclined.
Oh yeah.
On YouTube and they're reallynice stories.
Couple of really good readersanyways.
So the flower's beautiful andsoft and iridescent almost too
beautiful to eat, but she ate itand it was sweet and delicious

(48:42):
and she wanted more.
So she looked under the bed andsure enough was the ugly flower
and it was ugly.
It was wilted and the, thepedals were Ashin and pinched
and just not cute at all.
But she ate it cuz she wantedit.

Jen (49:05):
Oh, geez, here

Yasmine (49:06):
we go.
But it had no taste.
So she was, she just went on herMerry way.
She said, well, it didn't tastelike anything.
I'm fine.
It's all fine.
A few months later, it doesn'tspecify how many months later
the queen gave birth to a babyand it was a baby girl and it

(49:27):
was ugly and loud.
And it had gray skin and raggedblack hair for baby And as soon
as she was born, she yelled outHowie mama as soon she was one
weird okay.

(49:48):
What I don't know what you'rejust what I mean.
That's that's good, but justwait before she was a week old.
So, I mean, week old babies arestill like.
under 10 pounds or like thisbig, like tiny before she was a
week old, she got a hold of awooden spoon and a goat to ride

(50:13):
on and she would go around oh,and a tattered dress and hood.
So that's why they called hertatter hood.
Wait, we didn't get there yet.
We don't know about that yet.
Okay.
So she went banging around thespoon everywhere and the queen
could not even stand like beingin the same room as her or
looking at her.
Cuz she was so not what sheexpected.

(50:37):
Did you hear that?
Bang?
Yeah.
Obnoxious.
You heard the bang?
Yes I did.
I don't know my son's here.
What does that mean?
Well, I'm here, but I'm gonnajust go yell and see if he's
okay.
Really quick.

(51:00):
Yeah, 10.
Nice.

(51:30):
Apparently he was filming aTikTok and fell, so he, oh, so
he rides around the house and hecrashed into the door with it.
So it's great.
oh, okay.
Okay.
So right back into it.

(51:53):
Okay.
The queen was sad.
Oh, you okay.

Jen (52:08):
Last drink.
I swallowed wrong.
Why is it always the last drink?

Yasmine (52:21):
Yeah.
Okay.
Almost.
Nope.

Jen (52:29):
Almost usually.
If I can take a deep breath, Ishould be good.

Yasmine (52:38):
no worries.
Okay.
I think I'm good.
Okay.
Okay.
Sorry.
The queen could not standlooking at the girl and she
started to get sad again.
She, tater hood was not the babygirl that she envisioned and she
would cry.
and then one day tater had sawher mom being very sad and I
don't know how old she was,maybe two weeks.

(53:00):
And she said, don't worry, mom,my sister's on her way.
And the queen was like, what?
I haven't even finishedrecovering from the last one.
What do you mean your sister'son her way?
yeah, less than a couple monthslater, she gave birth to another
baby.

(53:20):
This was the baby girl thatqueen had been waiting for.
She was pretty, and she had deepblue eyes and silvery blonde
hair and was a very sweet babyand slept through the night and
never had any complaints.
I was trying to think of likewhat stuff happens to babies,

(53:41):
but it's been a very long time.
what is the thing where they gethurt?
I don't even remember what'scalled it's a gas.
I don't know.
This baby had no gas.
She was perfect.
so there's two.
Yeah, right.

(54:02):
There you go.
There's I can get behind that.
Okay.
Sister's name that I heard theone that I liked more sounded
more like a B so Baris, whichapparently is this name of some
star.
And then I also heard Beni, soBaris or Baris, and I like

(54:28):
barely anyways.
And they yeah, called the otherlittle girl tatter hood, like I
mentioned, because she insistedon wearing an old tattered hood
she found and wouldn't.
where anything else?
So it's so sad as the girls grewolder tater hood got more wild
and they tried to shut her up ina room, but thankfully tatter

(54:55):
hood had a sister who loved herand bar niece would not go
anywhere without her sister.
So they were very close andtater had ended up having, oh, a
very nice childhood along withher sister because her sister
wanted her with her all thetime.
So not too bad.
Yeah.

(55:15):
Yeah.
Usually these are pretty sad.
Awesome.
She's not too bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
So they did everything.
Totally.
Yeah.
I like this educated together.
They went on trips together.
And they were nearly grown whenone day Tater hood was, it was
just like a normal day.
Tater hood was riding around onher goat, banging around with
her spoon and she heard a screenand a screech from a gallery in

(55:40):
the castle.
So there's different parts ofcastles and a gallery would be
like a very high ceiling typehall that you can kind of shut
and open as you please.
So this gallery, she wouldscreams from there and she went
to investigate.
Okay.
And she asked the queen like,Hey mom, like, what's going on?

(56:01):
Like, what do you hear this?
Like, why are you acting likeyou don't hear anything?
Cuz I guess the mom was justlike still sewing or whatever
the Queens did.
Right.
And the queen was like, do notworry about it.
Kind of blew her off.
Like, Hey, just ignore it.
We're just gonna keep doing ourstuff.
You keep banging with yourspoon, but just ignore it.
It's fine.
And Tater hood did not acceptthat answer.

(56:23):
She was like, no, this is crazy.
Like there's people in herescreaming, what's going on.
Like, we need to go find outwhat this is.
And the queen was like, listen,if I tell you like, like I'll
tell you, but you can't go dostuff about it.
Like just, they come every sooften.
And then they leave and taterhood was like, alright, tell me
like, and then I'll figure outwhat I'm gonna do.

(56:44):
Cuz she didn't listen.
So the queen told her that therewas these witches from another
land that every so often wouldcome take things and they would
swirl around in the gallery andthat would be like the end of
them being there.
And then they would leave andthey wouldn't be back for many,
many years and tater, who waslike, what?

(57:07):
Like you would just let thesewitches come witch around for a
while.
And it.
Right.
Like literally you let thesewitches come up.
What's going on.
So chatter hood being the wildchild that she was, goes into
this gallery, riding on her goatwith her spoon whacking around

(57:30):
hitting these witches and theystart leaving.
Okay, wait, wait.
I went too far.
We have to back up a tiny bitbefore she went out to the
gallery.
She told everybody the king, thequeen like all the courtier and
everybody that's like, you know,around the, you know, nights and
stuff, I'm gonna go in here, butyou guys need to keep the doors
tightly shut and do not open anyof the doors.

(57:54):
I'm gonna take care of this.
It's fine.
And everyone was like, sure,sure, sure.
Whatever.
You're just tattered.
You don't know.
And okay.
So she went in there, whackingaround, right.
And the witches were leaving.
Because they had neverencountered anyone like this
before that was so bold and hada spoon riding a goat.

(58:15):
It was crazy.
Like they were like what?
Riding a goat, so, okay.

Jen (58:26):
Yeah.
It's bad when the witches arelike, you're freaking me out.

Yasmine (58:29):
It's true.
OK.
So she's okay.
The, the witches were almost allthe way gone when all of a
sudden one door starts to creakopen in her sister pops her
silvery head of hair out.
And then the one which that wasleft swirled back around and

(58:51):
snatched her head and replacedit with a calf's head.
a calf's head with a what'shead.
but Barney's not dead.
Oh, all she could do was move.
Okay.

(59:12):
So tater hood was what?
Like you don't yeah.
So tater hood was understandvery upset about her sister
being turned into happy cow.
Oh, okay.
And she was like yelling at theking and queen, like, how could
you let this happen?
All these people here in charge,I told you to do one thing and

(59:35):
you couldn't do it.
You suck as a king and queenyou're terrible parents.
You are.
She dressed them down.
That's what they say in thebook.
They were dressed down.
So I can imagine she was prettybrutal.
Mm-hmm so they were, they werejust exhausted of hearing their
daughter, their daughter yellingat them.
They didn't wanna look at heranymore.
They were just so tired ofeverything.
Tatter hood demanded.

(59:56):
A ship.
Okay, wait, I'm behind my notesor I'm in front of my notes.
She demanded a ship, but with nocaptain, no sailors.
And she said, I'm taking mysister and I'm gonna go get her
head back.
But you cannot send people to,to follow us.
You guys lost your chance.

(01:00:17):
You're done.
And they gave what you wanted,cuz they felt bad and they
didn't know what to do witheither of them anymore.
Okay.
Because they were both not cuteanymore.
this queen seems a little bit Idon't know, concerned with
appearances, I guess.
A little that's the word?
That's the word.

(01:00:37):
All

Jen (01:00:37):
right.
Where shallow?
Yes.
Shallow

Yasmine (01:00:40):
should go her head back.
Okay.
apparently they knew exactlywhere to go.
They sailed straight to whichisland where the witches dwelled
She told Bearne to stay on boardwhile she went to go get her
head back.
Awesome.
She was not subtle at all.

(01:01:00):
She jumped on her goat, grabbedher spoon and rode right into
the castle on her goat.
For some somehow she knewexactly where the head was
because this part in the tellingof the story is very quick.
She went into the castle, stolethe head.
They, she was chased by thewitches on their brooms and
running.
I I'm imagine like all, alltypes of witches and she was

(01:01:20):
hitting everyone with herspooning again, freaking spoon
in she made it back to the boatwith her sister's head.
I know, right.
And quickly swapped her.
Sister's head back.
Attached it and threw the calveshead at the witches.
And at that they were sohorrified.
They had never encounteredanybody like tatter hood.

(01:01:43):
They just were like, Hey, fairand square, man.
Like you got it back.
We're good.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly respect.
Yes.
So the sisters decided to go,they were like, Hey, this was
fun.
Let's travel for a while.
Let's go on some adventures.

(01:02:05):
And since they were old enoughand capable and obviously
capable enough to have to boatthey decided to go on the many
adventures.
Three years of adventures goesby.
And I'm assuming, cuz the storydoes specify that they were
almost grown when the head wasstolen.
I imagine in those three yearsthey would be considered grown.
So whatever age okay.

(01:02:27):
That is for.
honestly right.
Still very young I'm sure.
Which would be pretty young.
I'm sure.
So one day they arrive at acastle in a far away land at
this place, at this, you know,whatever kingdom, this was a
king and his son where therulers of that land and they
welcome the princesses to thecastle.

(01:02:50):
Now, I don't know.
It, it does mention, like lateron that the townspeople were
super dazzled with Beese, butthis initial meeting, it just
says that the king falls in lovewith Beese like first sight and
nobody had much reaction totater hood.
Cuz I imagine she's probably theone, right.

(01:03:12):
That sets up the talking to, youknow, the people at the port and
things like that.
More the detailed one.
People have to be able to dealwith her.
Mm.
You know?
Yeah.
Maybe it's just her mom.
That's I, I don't know.
Messed up anyways.
Okay.
So the king right.
Falls in love with Baris.

(01:03:33):
And he asked that night, heasked Baris to marry him and she
agrees.
But with one stipulation thatthe king one condition that the
king has to have his son marrytater hood.

(01:03:53):
So tatter has to marry theprince.
The king agrees right away.
He says, yeah, whatever youwant, like I'm the king I'll
make it happen.
Whatever.
The prince, unfortunatelydoesn't feel that way.
Even though he is of age to bemarried, he is shocked.
And appalled that his fatherwould agree to this.
And he says, absolutely not.

(01:04:14):
It's not gonna happen.
So tater hood and Barneys stayfor a little while while the
king sends priests and courtierand just like anyone who would
try to convince the prince tomarry tater hood, just, he was
just sending everyone thefalconer, the bread maker, just

(01:04:36):
every everyone to try toconvince his son to marry this
princess.
Cuz he was like into Mar's.
So tater hood and Barneys,they're getting ready to leave.
Cuz tater Hood's like, Heyright.
If, if you don't wanna getmarried, we won't get married.
We'll keep going.
Like that's fine.
She does not care.
And finally the king shows up tothe prince and he threatens to

(01:04:59):
disinherit his son.
So you can leave here.
With them, like, you'd just gogoodbye.
So the son reluctantly agrees,he says, okay, fine.
Right.
Everyone, they set up to go toget everyone married the next
day, because it's the king and,you know, he could just do that.
It's super easy.
No, no inconvenience at all.

(01:05:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the next day, yeah, evidentlythe king and Beese are pulled in
this like beautiful carriagewith like 10 white horses and
stuff like that.
It's like this beautifulprocession and everyone is
marveling at Bernice's beauty.
Wow.
She's so beautiful.
And we've never seen anybodylike her.
She's just like a star, youknow?

(01:05:44):
And, and that was fine.
Tater hood in the prince rodebehind them.
Tater hood, of course, on hergoat and the prince on a horse.
And the prince was looking Theprince was a little sad.
I it's like girl for

Jen (01:06:03):
one day.
For one day.
You couldn't get rid of thegoat, I guess,

Yasmine (01:06:07):
Would beat the that's fine.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's true.
She seems true.
Very socially, likeunderstanding of people's
feelings towards her, in this,in this story.
I don't know.
It's really interesting for thistype of story, but anyways, she
noticed that the prince wassulking and she asks him, why
aren't you talking to me?

(01:06:27):
Why don't you ask me anyquestions?
Like we have to get married.
Like, why don't you ask meanything?
And he is like, I don't knowwhat to say.
And she says, why not ask mesome?
Oh, I said that already.
And he goes like, what, whatkind of questions do you want me
to ask you?
Kind of being a snot about it.
Like.
Like what, what, and she says,like, why I ride this ugly goat

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and he rolls his eyes kind ofgoing along with it.
Why do you ride the ugly goat?
And she says, what?
This goat, this is not an uglygoat.
This is a beautiful purebredSteed.
And so it was all of a suddenjust on this beautiful horse.

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And he's like, okay, that'scool.
Still kind of sulking andtatter.
Hood's like, why don't you ask,oh, wait, why don't you ask why
I carry this spoon?
And he's like, okay, why do youcarry the spoon?
And tatter hood says what spoon.
This is a magic wand.

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And then it turned into a magicwand.
Cool.
All right.
So he is starting to get moreinterested.
He's like, right.
That's cool.
What, but he was still like, manUhhuh.
I dunno.
And she and tater had asks youstill sulk.
Why not ask me why my face is soAsh and gray prince going along

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with it now he's like, why isyour face so great?
And tatter hood laughs.
My face.
My face is not gray.
I have beautiful porcelain skin.
And so tater Hood's gray skinturned into a soft peach with a
slight tan from being out on thewater for so long.
And the princes now on board, helaughs but your dress is

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tattered.
Why is it tattered?
And tatter hood says my dress isnot tattered.
It's the most beautiful dressanyone has ever seen.
And so it was, and then she waseveryone marveled at her beauty.
More, she PA surpassed thebeauty of even her sister.
So everyone was super impressed.

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Prince was happy.
Hopefully the king stayed, happycouples got married and they
lived happily ever after.
Yeah, right.

Jen (01:08:58):
Wow.

Yasmine (01:09:00):
What, like, so,

Jen (01:09:05):
so she was, I guess like a witch, like a good

Yasmine (01:09:09):
witch, maybe part of the witch transferred to
herself, the flower.
And that's what thatrepresented.
But somebody had to be shown herbeauty, but I don't feel like
anybody earned it except formaybe Barone.
Yeah.
Oh, and there was another,that's what I was gonna that

Jen (01:09:31):
I exactly, he

Yasmine (01:09:32):
didn't earn it.
The sister, the way that shereacted was like, she's as she's
always been, you just have notbeen able to see her.
So it kind of makes me feel likeshe was saving it to kind of see
what she could get done.
I don't know if they, the kingand queen would allow her to go

(01:09:54):
on adventures if she would'vebeen, if everyone would've seen
her as a beautiful, softprincess, like she wouldn't have
been allowed to go on theseadventures.
So maybe there's something tothat.

Jen (01:10:12):
Yeah, exactly.
And certainly to, yeah, Berniebe, I can't say it, Bernice.
Okay.
Yes, that she was always able tosee the beauty in her sister,
her insides coming out.
Exactly.
It was just her inside comingout.
Right.

Yasmine (01:10:33):
In a nice way.

Jen (01:10:35):
Yeah.
And not a gross way.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Cuz I feel like I have toexplain myself now cuz that
whole other thing.
Yeah.
But yeah.
I mean like her beautiful insidetraits.
Yes.
But only when she was ready,like she didn't manifest in
outside beauty.
There we go to

Yasmine (01:10:50):
be beautiful for her wedding day, I guess.
I don't know.
It's it's I don't know.
It was kind of fun kind ofcrazy, but it, you know that, I
don't know.
It kind of reminded me of likeyeah.
The, the Disney Rapunzel wherethe, the mom has the flower,
like they go find the flower.

Jen (01:11:10):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Right?
Gosh, I hadn't thought aboutthat one in a long time.

Yasmine (01:11:14):
Have you

Jen (01:11:14):
seen the, the movie Zel?
I'm trying to even

Yasmine (01:11:16):
think.
Yeah.
Cause it's definitely different.
The stories maybe we, maybe wehuh.

Jen (01:11:23):
I

Yasmine (01:11:23):
don't know.
I haven't that a little bit morebecause it's definitely
different from the stories.
They, they tweak things a littlebit in the, in the movie as they
do it's

Jen (01:11:32):
yeah.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that the storyyou just told, I'm pretty sure
that because towards the end itstarted clicking with me.
I have a book called, oh gosh,folk tales for fearless girls.

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And it's a collection of folktales where the they don't need
the prince charming to yeah.
To get things done themselves.
So it's obviously a much diffnot, well, I don't know how much
different, but it's a differentversion from what you just read,
but it it's gotta be the same.
I'm gonna have to To look atthat.

(01:12:13):
Yeah.
I'll have to show it to you, butthat's an awesome, awesome book.
It is so good.
I've got'em yeah.
From all over the world.
That's awesome.
There's some really good ones inthere.
Phil love that though.
And I love now I've forgottenthat lady's name, that compiled
all of these Manning standards.

(01:12:38):
I'm gonna have to.
Yeah, well, there's just, Ican't wait to look up all of the
stuff I guess, is her stuff it'sbeen in print.
Like they, you know, it's notlike housed at a library
somewhere.
It is, it is where 10 people canaccess it.
Like her stuff is stillpublished,

Yasmine (01:12:55):
like thrift books.
Like there's, there's definitelysome out there.
Oh, awesome.
But what I was really, reallywanting to find was like a
collect.
so, I mean, if anybody knowswhere I could find like a
collection of her books, that'dbe so cool to have mm-hmm

Jen (01:13:17):
yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
Cause that, that the art find aresource like that.
See the, she sounds just amazing

Yasmine (01:13:26):
from different time periods.
It's so interesting.
And so cool to see all thisdifferent art

Jen (01:13:35):
mm-hmm oh, I bet.
Oh, you would love to the theillustrations in folk tales for
fearless girls.
And then there's a, another onebeneath the moon.
I think I just posted a storyfrom it.
This week.
But anyway, the illustrations inthat are just absolutely insane.

(01:13:56):
Just beautiful.
So yeah, that's another reallygood book that does folk tales
from around the world.
That's really wonder that was afun this week.
Thank that was awesome.
Oh, I bet.
Yeah, there's so many of thesethat like now I'm thinking you
know, I need to, we need to dolike a series or, you know, a

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part two or something.
Cuz I was thinking like with thespiritualism, you know, there
was just so absolutely muchyeah.
That we could, we could havetalked for hours.
But yeah, I was like, oh, I'dreally like to, to revisit that.
And this would be a really coolcause I would love to hear more
of her, you know, her take on,on these stories that she's

(01:14:39):
collected.
Cuz that would be really funtoo.
So I think we can, I think weshould.
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