Norse Mythology/Raw Headed Bloody Bones

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Episode Transcript

Jen (00:03):
Welcome everyone.
This is mavens of where wediscuss folklore, the paranormal
historical, true crime and allthings that most would find
terrifying and or strange.
And I'm Jen,

Yasmine (00:23):
Hi

Jen (00:25):
Yasmine and I have been talking a little bit off mic.
We our audio sagas continue butwhile we've been trying to work
on that she was doing meembroidery and I was telling
her.
That is just freaking aweme.
It's it's skill.
I wish I It's

Yasmine (00:42):
been fun to learn.
I, I taught myself over thepandemic.
I think I mentioned thatalready, but I did bring my bag
and this is actually what I'mworking on right now.
It's a 365 day embroideryjournal.
Every day I've embroidered adifferent icon.

(01:03):
Let's look at like January.
Yeah.
February

Jen (01:10):
in June

Yasmine (01:12):
microphone.
Let me see, where did I put it?
Little microphone for us?

Jen (01:19):
Can you, yeah.
Nice.

Yasmine (01:22):
The different stuff.
I'll upload me pictures and medescriptions of stuff on our
page, but it's just a reallynice like creative outlet and a
really nice way to commemoratethe year.
which who knows what's gonnahappen.
But I think I've been able tofind mething a little bit
special about every day and putit down.

(01:43):
It's been fun.

Jen (01:47):
Mm-hmm that's really cool.
Almost like a gratitude kind ofthing well,

Yasmine (01:54):
in a, what was even today, especially right now
during the summer, not much isgoing on.
Kids are home from school everyday kind of seems like kind of
bleeds into each other, butreally trying to look for
mething special every day hasbeen a nice challenge, but for
sure.
Yeah.

Jen (02:15):
Right.
Aweme.
All right.
You will have to forgive us alittle bit, we're having to do a
redo if we're like, did I talkabout that already?
Yeah, Jasmine, Jasmine.
Good Lord.
Yes.
Yasmine she's gonna start us

Yasmine (02:36):
off this time.
Today, yes, I am going to betalking about the Norse God Odin
rry.
I'm flipping through my notebookbecause mehow I lost my pen.
Okay.
The Norse got,

Jen (02:55):
and while she does that, you might remember that from a
previous where we rt of talkedabout this a little bit and I
expressed that I don't knowdidly or squat, I was actually
very, but the whole

Yasmine (03:12):
super, just really interested in the, the amount
that I didn't know.
I don't claim to know a lot.
I know me of the main names or,things like that, but there's
much about these guys that.
And I say these guys, NorseGod's, Norse mythology.
That is just interesting.
And and yeah, I'm gonna talkabout Oden today, who he was,

(03:34):
what he did who he was relatedto.
lots of relative.
maybe definitely all of that.
I'll probably talk about me ofthem later.
Maybe do like a epide on meoneelse or a certain event because
there's lots of events thathappen in Norse mythology to
explain things.
Anywho, the, the origins of Odincome from Germanic, polytheistic

(03:59):
people.
I like it.
Polytheistic is, multiple gods.
They were Norse mytho mythology.
It really wasn't called thatback then.
It was just what they believedand that really didn't start to
die down until the 15th century.
You can trace the beginnings ofwriting down Norse mythology,

(04:24):
which, I mean, as I'm sure a lotof you guys know that a lot of
it was oral history.
The writings you can trace backto two BCE and all the way
through the migration period andthe Viking age.
But it did start to die downwith Christian Christianization
which they tended to do a lot ofthat in the area with any

(04:46):
beliefs outside of Christianity.
Yeah, we.
They believed that there werenine realms.
Exactly.
And the tree of life, which Ihave the name of it written down
here.
I'll come back to it.
When I, when I come to it, thetree of life held up the nine

(05:07):
realms of the world inhabited bygods.
This tree just kind of heldeverything together.
They're inhabited by humansgods, the Joe tune, which were
giants and warfs, and most oftheir stories tell about the

(05:27):
trials and the wars of the gods.
They have creation a creationstory ancient

Jen (05:33):
war

Yasmine (05:37):
SVE, our and Ragner rock, which was basically
doomsday.
Their RA it's called Ragner rockand is their dooms day.
Now I'm sure if you have seenany of the Marvel movie that,
yeah, that's one.
I'm not, I'm not gonna try totalk.
Oh, no.
But like, please mention it onethat I haven't seen RA rock.

(05:59):
I'm gonna have to go back andcircle back to it.
But anyways I'm gonna try not tomention Marvel at all, because
really they take their ownartistic licenses and things
like that.
There's just sprinkles ofwhatever it would be in the
movies.
Anyway.
Who was Oden?
Who was that guy?

(06:19):
He right was considered the allfather, the thrown ruler not,
and I wouldn't really even sayit goes far as to say ruler.
He had people that.

Jen (06:30):
Did

Yasmine (06:31):
his, did his bidding and, and listen to him or
whatever, but he did haveparents.
He wasn't just, outta nowhere,he was the oldest n of Bo, who
was a giant and the goddess bestleft in the Chronicles or the,
the myths.
He al has two younger brothersnamed VI and Vay.

(06:52):
He had multiple wives.
But the first one that is spokenabout is frig.
She's like the main one.
And then J now there's anotherspelling of her name that I
wrote down mewhere.
If I come to it, I'll mention itagain.
But those two women, especiallythey had the ns.

(07:18):
A lot of the other myths talkabout, mainly and balder, where
were frigs ns and then Thor,Viola, and VO.
And I'm rry if I'm messing upthe pronunciations.
But that's just my California,whatever Those guys were

(07:44):
George's ns.
Based on the poems and ancientwritings, Oden had a total of 15
children.
And I thought, I thought thosewas funny, cuz I saw it in a
couple different places.
It lists 15 and then it sayspossibly eight more according to
me manuscripts.

(08:04):
As little as the five.
Yeah.
Right.
Or it's 15 plus eight.

Jen (08:11):
Lost count's one more.
No.

Yasmine (08:17):
He goes by many what's one more, and this is on like
the language, cuz there were afew different languages going on
then, and then al the accent.
Things like that.
I'm gonna go through and readthem the best that I can.
Because we kind of, there's apoint at the end.
All right.
Woden den wo Woden Weta, WK andwo, and as, that word especially

(08:52):
wo on does means Lord of frenzy,leader of possessed.
And it's where we get the wordWednesday from.
When this day, Wednesday Andthat's in honor of the God OIN.
That's an interesting, yeah.
I, I just find it really,especially considering

(09:15):
Christianization wow.
That we kept many of these namesyeah.
To name our week to name.
I, I just, it's very interestingto

Jen (09:25):
me.
My n's at the door right here.

Yasmine (09:32):
All right.
No, my n is trying to get myattention.
I don't know what he wants.
oh, yeah.
I'm it's gonna go away.
Oh, anyways, okay.
Oden is asciated with mespecific things.
All of the gods and goddessesrepresented specific things, and
me of them had multiple thingsthat they represented or handled

(09:57):
in the.
I, I wanna quit saying mythologymuch in their belief system,
certain gods handled multiplethings, and then those people,
the people that believed in themwould prey to them offer
sacrifices to those specificodds for those specific things.
That's kind of how that worked alittle bit.

(10:18):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Which was you would speakdirectly to that God sacrifice,

Jen (10:25):
like if they needed brain or mething like that.
If they were in a drought, his

Yasmine (10:29):
right things that he was asciated with were wisdom,
healing, death, royalty thegalls.
Very specific knowledge war,battle, and victory, rcery,
poetry frenzy, and.

(10:52):
The Brunick alphabet and that'sspecifically the ancient Brunick
alphabet.
He was said to be able to havetranslated it and passed it

Jen (11:03):
along.
That was interesting.

Yasmine (11:10):
Lots of stuff and, and it all, when I explain a little
bit more, it all kind of makessense, I guess.
Oh, wow.

Jen (11:17):
And I

Yasmine (11:22):
know exactly, exactly.

Jen (11:24):
I was gonna say it's like he was doing a lot.
What was everybody else doing?
What is,

Yasmine (11:32):
yeah.
There's there's always, butyeah.
He what's the last said earlierhere, I think I said that
already, your appears inrecorded history as early as two
BCE.
Right.
Okay.
When you think about Oden, whatis the image that comes to your

(11:53):
head?

Jen (12:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like just purely a physicalimage of what he would look
like.
Yeah.
I got a, yeah, it went away andI think that's what it, whatever
it was.
Did you okay.
Anyway, I didn't do anything andit went away oh immediately I

(12:26):
think about the fact that hisfather was a giant, I'm
imagining he's got to be, Imean, he's gotta have me rt of
size to him, I would think.
But then then I al, I don'tknow, it's weird how I'm
equating his responsibilities tookay.

(12:49):
What I think now he has to looklike.
I mean, if I'm being honest,maybe an older of a giant
version of four.
Okay.
In

Yasmine (12:58):
his description he's described as a one eyed long
bearded.
He was old and he could be likemisconstrued metimes for like
just any old guy, because hewould go around in like a cloak
and broad hat.
He kind of had a.

(13:19):
Like general appearance when hewas like traveling or whatever.
which is interesting that hewould have that different
appearance and be kinda fit inwith normal people.
Heed a spear named gun gir.

Jen (13:36):
Yeah.

Yasmine (13:36):
Garden, ER, mething like that.
That's what they

Jen (13:42):
named

Yasmine (13:45):
they named their weapons.
Thor has meal names.

Jen (13:51):
Hey, I, you could say however you want.
I would've no

Yasmine (13:54):
idea God gir.
Oh, that, I guess that makessense.
Right near that's probablymething anyways.
He al went around with meanimals.
He had.

Jen (14:07):
Wolves

Yasmine (14:09):
named Gerie Andrey they were al metimes considered as
familiars, which familiars andwould be mething that mebody is
like an extension of themselves.
And then he had huggin andMulin, which were Ravens.

(14:32):
I believe their names meanknowledge and wisdom.
I'm gonna have to double checkthat, but they basically brought
him knowledge, other places theywould bring.

Jen (14:45):
Yeah,

Yasmine (14:47):
gotta have me way of, knowing what's going on.
If you're the leader of

Jen (14:54):
the right.
Yeah.
Toward that.
Yeah, most certainly.
and that's interesting.
Because as you're, talkingabout, about this stuff, like

(15:18):
the, the Rav and having mentionwitchcraft it just makes you
realize how one of his stories,me of these thoughts about which
crap he was sent learn as theyget later on where all of this,
kind of starts me magic

Yasmine (15:32):
and with his big hat and his cloak and doing magic
and for them, it was consideredmore feminine, I guess, in one
of his myths or one of the, thestories he said to kind of been
made.
Persecuted a little bit fordoing this feminine practice of
practicing the, with the, withwitchcraft.

(15:53):
That's really interesting thatyou mentioned that because,
right.
Yeah.
Like definitely the connectionrunning all the way through,
down to the, from the animalsdown to the hat, like all of it.
Right, right.
Yeah,

Jen (16:10):
yeah, yeah.
Dad.
And that it's a female.
Okay.

Yasmine (16:21):
Then he

Jen (16:21):
wrote they're asciating already right off the bat.
Like that's interesting.
I didn't expect that part of itto be that early.
But that's yeah.
Slept

Yasmine (16:31):
near sleep near, not sleep slight near Oh, yeah,

Jen (16:44):
he wrote, I say

Yasmine (16:50):
that all the time.

Jen (16:52):
I've heard, it's funny.
Doesn't a little, a little nodto psych there.

Yasmine (17:02):
okay.
He's ed of the,

Jen (17:14):
oh, what?
I'm just gonna get theseflashbacks of epides.

(17:34):
and I just, can't rry.
Oh, I had to lay off the psych.
Oh yeah.
Like I had to let it cool.
that can like go back and watchhim again was really big, big
thing.
I dunno.
He's watched every epidemultiple times.
I think, think marathon in myfuture,

Yasmine (17:53):
favorite thing is what is his name?
The main guy.
What's his name now it's leavingme.
Mm-hmm Sean is always giving Gusnew names when he introduces him
to people.

Jen (18:10):
It's it's like

Yasmine (18:12):
little digs or like little jokes,

Jen (18:15):
like the, oh yeah.
Oh yes.
Silly.
And they are like, it.
Yes.
And yeah.
And they are ablutely.
Yeah.

(18:35):
Over the top.
Oh yeah.
I think Tuesday, Tuesday, the17th is my ablute favorite
epide.
That's the one that, that got mewatching it in the first place.
My mom, I think called me andshe was like, you've gotta see
this new show I was like, what?

(18:55):
And then it's like, I had towatch it like the second time to
get like all the little, nuancesand, and stuff.
Yeah.
Accredited with the creation ofthe world.
Love it.
He, I'm rry to take us down thatside path there, but yeah.

Yasmine (19:12):
Why am IR your mirror?
when I was slated, they used hisbody parts as different parts of
the earth.
or as.
Different parts, the galaxy?
No, not the galaxy, theuniverse.

(19:33):
Like I, I forget the breakdownand I didn't write it down, but
I remember his eyebrows are theland, that's why

Jen (19:41):
Like you live on me eyebrows.
I just like

Yasmine (19:44):
what the eyebrows really we don't even get like

Jen (19:49):
a knuckle, I don't know

Yasmine (19:54):
but like, apparently all the different main body
parts were used for other stuff.
They had the eyebrows left forus.
That's fine.
in part of that, Creation, Iguess.
They gave life to the firsthumans.
They found these human shaped.
And when I say they, I believeit was Oden and his brothers

(20:15):
human shaped objects on thebeach that owed and breathed
life into.
And I believe that is the firstmention of breathing life into
mething in recorded history.
That's interesting to me is thatwhole breath of life thing.

Jen (20:40):
He,

Yasmine (20:40):
He al, like I mentioned before, he is in charge of Ruic
writing poetry.
We get poetry, any poetry forhim, I guess, overseas VAHA.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
And he receives, okay.
I thought this was interestingtoo.
I always thought that.
Because I we've watched Vikings.

(21:01):
We've watched everything that,all kinds of different stuff.
They always say that everyone'sgoing to Valla like, oh, we're
all gonna die and go to Valla.
Right.
He only gets half.
I shouldn't say only he getshalf and he'll only gets the
best fighters.
I didn't, I didn't realize thatonly the best fighters go to

(21:26):
VAHA because that's wherethey're having like Fe and
that's where they're trainingfor dooms day for Ragner rock.
That's the whole, like he'sgetting the best fighters to be
able to defend or fight againstcoming on.
Ragner, rock the other peoplethat die go to FYA, to folk NG

(21:55):
folk, vendor.
That's a different place.
Okay.
Maybe all talked about thatplace later, but the rest of
everybody that dies goes toFraya.
When broken down into bulletpoints, OIN can seem kind of
straightforward.
But looking at all the thingsthat he's in charge of, we can

(22:16):
see that he's very okay.
Kind of like a Renaissance man.
Like he does a little bit ofeverything and in, in his origin
story that is very obvious thathe's interested he's he wants
all the knowledge.
He can have, he views knowledgeas the ultimate.

(22:37):
You, you can sacrifice anything,but if you are learning more and
you're understanding more, thenit's worth it, which I thought
was really, really kind of cool.
What are thought ultimateknowledge and understanding of
everything.
that was his, his big thing.
His quest for wisdom led him toMI MI was a God.

(23:00):
He drank from right Mims Bruner,which literally means Mier as
well.
This is well, and it was magicaland it gave MI incredible
knowledge.
Not just knowledge, but not justlike scholarly knowledge, but

(23:21):
understanding al.
When OD asked to drink, cuz likethey knew they're both gods, Hey
buddy, can I drink from yourwell and mayor told him.
You can't just come over hereand have a drink of this stuff.
You need to make a sacrifice.
And the SAC, the, the price todrink from this well is not
cheap.

(23:42):
Okay.
You would have to sacrifice youreye and ODed without hesitation,
gouge to die out and tossed itin the well, just, okay, fine.
Whatever you need.
And that's what I mean by like,he was able, he was willing to
do whatever to have thisknowledge and this understanding

(24:03):
of the world

Jen (24:05):
or of the, all of it.

Yasmine (24:10):
Where was I?
He tos tossed the eyeball intothe water.
And everything that I read madethis act seem very casual.
Like he was just whoop done.
I'm over it.
Like.
Let's move on.
Like no big deal.
just like casual, just a casualeye.

Jen (24:29):
Yeah.
Right.

Yasmine (24:30):
Once he drank from the, well, he became the wisest of
all Norcos.
He just wisest all the way up tothe top.
Immediately, the knowledge hegained was enlightenment and
illumination rather

Jen (24:45):
than what else

Yasmine (24:46):
you need me to do.
That I thought was veryinteresting in Norse Norse myth,
mythology, Oden sacrifice,symbolized how valuable the
quest for enlightenment is.
They view enlighten andknowledge with the utmost, like

(25:09):
respect and reverence.
The people that had moreexperience that had more
knowledge.
They in turn would respectbecause of Oden's, Oden's
passing that down.
Knowledge was always no pursuit,no sacrifice is too great for
enlightenment earthly site fordivine site is what was traded

(25:32):
basically.
And one aspect was ancestraltraditions, ancient histories in
invaluable teachings.
That was mething else that hegot in this exchange were the
ancient teachings even beforehim.
And that's how the religion wascreated basically.

(25:58):
He did mething else that waspretty.
It's, it's a little graphic.
They call it Oden's greatestsuffering.
I talked about that tree oflife.
Okay.
In this tree of life, it wascalled.
Let's see if I could say this.
I practiced it earlier.

(26:20):
Y Brazil, the Norse tree oflife, yo drizzle contained the
secrets of the ruins.
With these ruins, he's able totranslate ancient teachings and
pass them along.
He wanted to, and ruins were almagical, connected things, stuff

(26:42):
like that.
He wanted to understand therooms and Y Brazil holds the
nine realms of the Vikinguniverse.
Can you mention that before?
What he did was he took gir andhe entailed himself.
and then he hung himself fromyoung Brazil for nine days and

(27:04):
nights.
And he did not allow anyone tohelp him at all.
He didn't eat.
He didn't probably, he probablyslept, but I don't know.
He suffered greatly, did notallow anyone to help him.
And his account of hisself-sacrifice was written in
what's called the poetic ATAR.

(27:27):
This is a quote from Oden.
Apparently I, we, that I hung inthe windy tree hung there for
nine nights nine with the spear.
I was wounded and offered.
I was to Oden myself to myself

Jen (27:48):
in.

Yasmine (27:48):
That was very interesting that he's offering
himself as a sacrifice to knowmore, to be changed, basically.
And to understand and to havewisdom beyond anyone else.

Jen (28:05):
Wow.

Yasmine (28:07):
Yeah, he did that it immediately gave him knowledge
to read the ancient ruins.
Me of his powers that arebelieved to be included are
shape shifting influence overcombat and warfare.
He's able to speak in riles.
He is able to say things thatmean other things, which I

(28:30):
don't.
I was trying to think about howthat would work in conversation.
I don't know if he always spokein riles after that or if it was
just metimes I I don't know.
That unds hard.

Jen (29:04):
this this is what always interests me and why.
I al metimes wonder if this isthe rean that many what, what
Christianity would call pagan.
Belief systems are still verymuch in practice.
Even today Christmas has quite afew origin, and holdovers from,

(29:24):
from pagan.
But this is why I always, say asa Christian that I think a lot
of people are gonna be SU moresurprised by, right?
Who is in their version ofheaven than who isn't, because
you look back at even, listeningto, to this, the Norse belief

(29:46):
system.
It's interesting.
You have the tree of life.
You have the willing tosacrifice oneself and suffer and
not let anyone, come to theiraid, which, Christians are gonna
equate that with Jesus sufferingon the cross.
Not a whole lot different there.

(30:07):
Even if you go back to the, theoratory that they have, in
breathing life, there's many,and you you'll find.
Find it in this you'll find itheavily in American.
If you study pretty muchanything I've heard of, you,
these parallels, no matter howfar back you go you'll start to

(30:30):
realize that just abouteverybody, that, that has that
belief in a, in a higher power.
I ablutely agree.
It's really amazing andremarkable that it blows my mind
doing that consistent peopledeveloped in different areas of,
and get the word that I want.
But travel

Yasmine (30:47):
long, far travel

Jen (30:48):
was not really, I mean, it's, it's really, and these
beliefs.
Yeah.
Which is just, like you said,really amazing to me.

Yasmine (30:55):
I love it.
I mean, we do know that theVikings traveled, but like I
said, like it was after themigration period after What's
considered ancient times.
This was much later other peoplewere already other places making
their own having their ownideas.
Why aren't we're all here,mm-hmm that is interesting to
me.

(31:15):
Yeah, I could, I could readabout it and talk about it all
day.
Really?
It's I just it's

Jen (31:23):
okay.
Mm-hmm right, exactly.
Mm-hmm yeah, same.
Yeah.
Right.
That's why I get I'm like, Ijust believe everybody, should

(31:50):
Really taken interest inlearning about others, others
because you truly will start tofind that you have a lot more in
common than yeah.
You think, once you, you reallydive in and it really will start
to blow your mind.
the religion is just one thing,but I mean, it really starts to

(32:10):
blow your mind that, like yousaid, how people spread out the
Inuit all the way, right.
In, God, for sake, Antarcticaand whatever to single
continent, how all of thesepeople, little bit.
Modern having that, that higherpower and power close, like I

(32:35):
mentioned, his imagery and theirunderstanding of that is, was
able to

Yasmine (32:38):
shift really.
He had influence, overcome thatand warfare.
And that's why like in moviesand depictions of the and I'm
thinking literally that showVikings, but I know there's
others.
I cannot think of any othersright now.
Well you'll always see them liketo Oden, to, to Bahala, and, and
that's because he was the, heinfluenced or they thought he

(33:01):
could influence combat warfarespeaking in middles the healing.
There is a story about himbringing MiiR back from the
dead.
That's interesting.

Jen (33:15):
Mm-hmm Yes.

(33:35):
Oh, interesting.
And I'm rry.
It reminded me when I went offon my religion side crack there,
it was when you sang speaking inriles, I was thinking about how
in the Bible you have, terriblesand no, it's interesting.
And how, I mean,

Yasmine (33:52):
Mair

Jen (33:52):
was a God, words have multiple meetings and apply to
multiple situations throughoutdifferent periods of time from
the dead.
Rry, said that again, remindedme get back on track of what I

Yasmine (34:09):
say he had the power of mind control.
and he held the power of lifeand death.
Obviously he could bring peopleback from the dead, but he
influenced the beginning of lifeas well.
Mm-hmm yeah, I mean, there'slots and lots and lots of
stories about his adventures.

(34:32):
Lots of stories about hischildren, his wives, his just
different people that wereinfluencers on the Norse
religion.
If you guys are interested inmore, there's plenty out there.
Plenty, plenty out there.
Lots of stuff.
Nowadays I think I alreadymentioned it a little bit.

(34:54):
It's the.
Religion is called the Nordicreligious ciety.
And I, I mentioned there's about500 to a thousand of those guys
in Scandinavia and they, oh, tryto, or they do worship in the
old ways.
Mm-hmm, pre Christianization.

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They have a lot of like natureinfluences.
They meet outside, theyacknowledge the, the moon the
lstices and, and the mooncycles.
And then they have their in, inIceland.
There's thousands of people thatit's called the us, us aro a S a

(35:39):
T R.
A sat movement and that's inIceland.
Like I mentioned before, there'sthousands of people that are
still practicing the Norsereligion in other parts of the
world.
Yeah, that is Oden.

Jen (36:01):
Thank I

Yasmine (36:01):
think, yeah, interesting.
I mean his little stories aboutlike how he became who he was
there's variations and thingslike that.
Metimes things get lost inrelation or they're told by
other people, but I think I hitthe main points.
Wow.
For, for that stuff, it's just

Jen (36:19):
interesting.
There's much to it.
You're gonna have to do me moreand there's much still

Yasmine (36:22):
to learn because it's a lot,

Jen (36:25):
it's a lot mm-hmm right.
You get.

(36:46):
Yes.
Yes, it is.
It is.
Well, that was aweme.
Thank you.
Hi, I think it was last week'sepide.
I'm not sure if either that oneor the one before that, but I
mentioned that I got to go to aarts and crafts festival and

(37:10):
talk with an author who writesbooks about folklore in the
Appalachian mountain region.
And I could not remember hisname, which was just ridiculous,
but his name is Thomas, thePerry, and one, just one of the
four or five books of his that Ibought.
Is this one and it is called rawheaded bloody bones.

(37:35):
Oh, cool.
And I don't know how well youcould see, I'm trying to show
you the picture, right.
It's, I'll just tell you that.
And this is part, historical,true crime and part folklore.

(37:57):
As most, a lot, well, not most,well, no.
Yeah.
I'm gonna stay with mostfolklore is there always starts
with a little bit of at least alittle.
And that's what kind of getsthings started.
And then of course, you've gotoral tradition, things get
changed.
As times change people start toadd things in and take away

(38:21):
things.
It gets, a little convoluted,but you can still oftentimes,
figure out the the org, thewhole thing.
And al just wanna do, a littlebit of a brag.
I got my autograph copy, thatwas cool.
Yeah, this this is reallyinteresting.
This is going to be taking placein Patrick county, Virginia,

(38:45):
which I'll have to say not thatfar from me.
Okay.
Never been there.
But I imagine it to be a lotlike the culture and things that
we, we have around here.
And I think that I discussed atme point.
That we are mostly Irish andScottish ancestry in the
Appalachian mountain region.

(39:06):
Just bear that in mind, sure.
I'm trying to decide how I wannaeven get started.
Think I'm gonna skip that partfor now and come back to it.
This raw head and bloody bonesmy goodness can actually be
traced back way before that itactually people came to this

(39:27):
region.
It actually starts with anEnglish nursery rhyme and it
says raw head and bloody bonessteals, naughty children from
their.
Takes them to his dirty den andthey are never seen again.
I see.
Creative back then.
Gotta love those English,wholeme nursery rhyme, get you

(39:49):
right in the fields for sure.
But the, that brings you to rtof the other with folklore and
these legends and stories.
Many of them are at the root aredesigned to terrify children and
get them to obey their parentsby pure fear.

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Yeah, exactly.
Essentially the, the authorThomas Perry, he grows up in, in
this area in the sixties andseventies.
And he has a typical childhoodthat we would imagine.

(40:31):
He'd be a little bit more on thetail end of it.
I think.
His family harvested tobacco.
And as a kid, he woulddefinitely have a job sean as
would probably all of hisfriends in that area.
They would work very, very hardyou know, sun up to almost sun
down.
And then they rt of have theidyllic, childhood that we, we

(40:54):
think about in, in those times.
They spend a lot of time outsideand playing together.
Fishing is a big thing, ridingtheir bikes.
But al they ablutely love totalk with the older folks in
their community to hear thesestories.
And these are passed down andthis is gonna be one.

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That was passed down to Mr.
Par.
And I will say that he inwriting this book the gentleman
that told him this story wasstill alive.
He was able to go back and kindof get a refresher in his mind
of the story.
And he al talked to friends ofhis that were there for this

(41:37):
storytelling to get theirrecollections al.
I'm gonna quote quite a bit fromthis, cuz I can't say it, any
better than, than Mr.
Perry's done, but thegentleman's name is gray and he
is the father of one of Thomas'sgood.
After a day of working hard and,hauling the tobacco out to dry

(42:00):
and all that, imagine they haveridden their bikes and they end
up back at his friend's houseand his dad, they ask him to
tell a story and apparently grayis a wonderful storyteller.
And the author says, that hewould always tell a stories in

(42:21):
the tradition of all greatAppalachian people living in the
uth, which basically means longwinded.
And with a lot of interestingterms of phrase, we'll say
basically this story has a verylocal and a very real connection
to their town that they'reliving in.

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And of course, and goodstorytelling style he made sure
that he's about to become darkas he tells this story.
And the author says, we did notknow this would leave us scarred
for life with a tell,frightening, but as a 60 year
old man, a am still afraid ofthis boogeyman known as raw

(43:05):
headed bloody bones.
Basically, yeah, this is, Ihave, I've never heard of this
ever, this is very unique totheir, to their area, but gray
starts his story off.
He says, I was looking forinformation yeah.
On life, around here during thecivil.
And he's given a book by anotherTownsman that's called, I just

(43:30):
had to interestingly 39 lashesall laid on crime and punishment
in uth side, Virginia 1750 to1950 and I'm like, wow, that's
a, that's a title.
It stands out.
I'll give'em that.
In this book obviously they've,chronicled all these different

(43:53):
primes and things, that havehappened that have made their
way through the legal system orwhat would pass as the legal
system as we'll find out.
Basically in September of 1897,there was a 22 year old guy
named Henry Walls.
And he is I gather a rt ofdrifter.

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He doesn't have steadyemployment.
We'll say that.
He's hired to work a localfamily.
But after a period of time, theyfeel that he has stolen a saddle
from them.
And there is an a heatedargument about said stolen
saddle and walls.

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Henry Walls ends up threateningthe family and says basically
that he's gonna run them out oftown.
And even if it meant he had toburn their house down to do it.
That happens.
And then within a few weeks toshort period of time, who knows
what these stories the towns,people believe that he comes

(44:59):
back to that family's home inorder to do just that for, he
does mething.
Maybe far worse.
The theory is that he goes to dowhat he says makes make good on
this threat and burn their housedown.
However, there was one member ofthe family that was home and
that was the family's daughternamed Sadie hook.

(45:23):
Pretty sure.
Yeah.
She had just been out to thespring to get water was coming
back.
This is theorized and they cansee that there are a lot of, and
stuff outside the, footprintsI'm imagining signs of a, a
scuffle, maybe the dirt's all,ju ever.

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They're able to figure outablutely that they think that
Sadie tried to, like, she cameback from the spring, saw
mething she shouldn't have seenand tries to run, but ultimately
She is killed and they determinethat she was struck heavy blow
to the head with Ahoe.
Her throat was slapped and shehad several other severe wounds

(46:07):
to her body.
We're assuming knife type,slashes, whatever.
They say that she she survivedthis just long enough to be able
to mewhat communicate who haddone this to her.
She wasn't able to talk cuz herthroat is slashed.
The method that they, they usedwas a, I'm sure a sweet, sweet

(46:31):
ul of Mrs.
Margie EPON was naming off nameswhich I imagine.
Henry Walls was probably thefirst one she named off in light
of the the threat before.
Oh my gosh.
But she said that Sadie squeezedher hand when she said his name.
Therefore he is the killer.

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The next day he is arrested andhe is but they have to make a
responsible has to make a 20mile trip to Stewart, which
would be the county seat inorder for him to actually go
through the justice system.

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Essentially this involved, meovernight camping, we'll say
for, for them in route togetting there and, and keep in
mind, with me that we're in,we're in folklore land.
They, oh, my goodness are doingthat.
However a mob comes and withoutany resistance from the

(47:35):
Constable and his his n, the,they drag him away.
And this is like, they forcedUhhuh Henry Walls to beat his
own toenails off with a hammerand then hung him behind
Hunter's chapel church, whichstill stands today.

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And they al, determined thatthere was evidence that Sadie
was sexually assaulted as well.
And that's reported by theLynchburg news.
But the Lynchburg news al pointsout that there is practically no
evidence to convict Henry Wallsof this crime.

(48:16):
And they make a public statementthat basically it's starting,
people should think he couldhave been innocent.
Yeah.
BA now the leader of thevigilante mob was a guy he's 35.

(48:42):
His name was Charles WalterTaylor, and now he was the n of
the sheriff Yep.
He realizes that he is in bigtrouble for what he's done,
especially now if public opinionis gonna return and, say, wait a
minute, we don't even know ifhe, yeah.

(49:03):
Actually did it.
He flees goes to California.
Eventually it says he sends forhis wife and children and it
starts a new life.
And that's, but people the localfolks said that for the rest of
his life, he complained aboutthroat trouble and they believed
that was because he had put therope around Henry wall's neck

(49:28):
Just as an interesting asideSadie and Henry were buried on
the same day at the samehunters, chapel church.
And both in unmarked graves.
Why I for I can understand more,but for her, I don't know why I

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did.
Didn't say.
Let's see.
You're probably wondering as Iwas, as I was reading this,
where are we going with any ofthis and raw headed, bloody
bones.
Oh yeah, I did wanna just readthis.
This this quote direct quotefrom the book while Taylor
escaped this part of the worldfor the west coast, the people

(50:09):
left behind would come face toface with the scariest thing
they ever encountered a monsternamed raw headed bloody bones
who taught them a hard lesn intaking justice into their own
hands.
Yes.
Now we meet Betty.
She lives in what?

(50:31):
Oh.
And they now is where, hang on.
It's called Lynch hollow.
That's another rt of, well, I'mgonna ruin the magic if I do
that, I was gonna say folkloreslip up.
But anyway because, you know,why would it be Lynch hollow
then when they just had thelynching?

(50:55):
whatever, it's fine.
Forget.
I said that.
Betty was locally known andaccepted as a Coner.
And she decides that I have thepower to figure out if Henry was
in fact guilty or innocent.

(51:15):
She decides from him back tolife.
She needs a full moon to dothat.
Oh my goodness.
And the next full moon thathappens, she is ready.
She says her spell and it hassaid that a storm began to brew
over the blue Ridge mountains.
Keep going.
The clouds came over the hollow,which I know that he would want

(51:40):
me to pronounce his holler andrain began to fall in sheets.
It was remembered as one of theworst storms that ever came
through this part of Virginia,suddenly lightning.
Oh yeah.
Suddenly lightning struck thegrave of Henry Walls releasing

(52:01):
his body.
Henry of course rises.
Huh?
Okay.
Henry rises from the dead and hestarts to walk towards Betty's
cabin.
Oh what, she starts to noticethat we've got a bit of a pet

(52:22):
cemetery situation happeninghere.
She notices that Henry is notlooking hot, not looking the
same, not looking as she wouldexpect him to look.
And he walks past her anddoesn't seem to acknowledge her.
He walks past her and fallsstraight into a deserted, well,

(52:48):
Henry cannot catch.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I thought, where are wegoing with this?
Oh, yes.
Despite that.
As the days are going by peoplein this community are starting
to notice me very strange thingshappening.

(53:10):
Oh my goodness.
As in livestock being justbutchered in ways that they had
never seen a wild animal or, dobefore that kind of thing.
And men that me of the men thatformed up the, the, posse that
lynched Henry started to go outto investigate strange noises on

(53:33):
their property or pairing theseanimals.
But they're going out at nightto investigate these things and
they are never seen again.
Yes.
Betty though continues to workwith Henry.
And but she still has to use thefull moon.

(53:53):
She gets a full moon, goes backout to the well where he has
fallen head first in what?
And she summons him out with hermagic and the weight that she
gets him out this time is shesends the bucket down and brings
up the skull, lays it on theground, dries it off, sends the

(54:19):
bucket back down up the rest ofthe bones, lays them out to dry.
And then the skull would attachto all the bones and it would
shake to put itself together.
Are you with right?
Yeah.
Are you, yeah.

(54:41):
Yeah, that's all I can.
He stands there before Betty andhe does still have me muscle on
the skeleton.
He has big yellow eyes and hereleases a hellish scream that
show Frazer sharp teeth.

(55:01):
I don't know where he got the, Idon't know.
Well, well, I said it's a pet,nevermind before.
Explain that.
All right.
Keep up, Jen, keep up withyourself.
Okay.
He smells like sulfur.
Just a good touch, I guess.
I Yeah.
Well true.
you've fallen in a, had a roughcouple of weeks.

(55:22):
I'm gonna say like, what isthat?
Raw headed?
Bloody bones makes a verydistinct and strange und when he
moves and people describe it.
Doesn't und like thatty and athump,

Yasmine (55:38):
what is that?

Jen (55:40):
The und that und would get louder the closer he was.
Yeah.
Or if he was irritated becauseyou got away from him when he
was trying to do whatever he wasgonna do.
Yeah.
Oh, we're gonna, oh, we're gonnatalk about that.

(56:02):
I'm not sure it's gonna give youthe answers you want, but I am
gonna talk about Yeah.
I've, I've read it and said italoud many times and I'm still
no closer to that.
oh, I mentioned the clause thathe has, and people would start

(56:27):
to see claw marks against theirhouse or their grounded, their
wooden gates surrounding theirproper.
However they were safe becausein the uth, everybody knew that
your porch, your stuff, wherehad to be painted in paint blue
because spirits cannot passthrough that particular paint

(56:52):
color.
Have I blown your mind?
Paint?
Okay.
H a I N T blue.
It is a light blue.
It's a very distinct color.
People will paint the ribs ofporches.
Yeah, the tail they're inside offoot porches were very common.

(57:16):
The roof or mething.
Oh yeah.
You you'll come from, it's athing.
It's a, yeah.
And if people restore thehouses, they'll, they'll do that
anyway.
A pern, because like I said,everybody knows you, you can't
pass through if mething'spainted Hank blue.
He we're all headed.
Bloody bones now has a hohandle.

(57:38):
never thought I say that for atale.
A yeah, maybe it was it.

(58:02):
Okay.
Okay.
Outta control.
Ugh.
Okay.
Anyway, I dunno what in theheck.
And he would though his home wasthe abandoned.
Well, although I'm very unclearon how he is getting back up it,
especially when now Betty hasdisappeared al.

(58:24):
Okay.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm glad you're with this is Ilove holes.
It's just hilarious.
19th century turns into the 20thcentury and this story had

(58:46):
staying power in this community.
Y at that, because I willcertainly never forget this.
It is now 1940.
One telling these kids, his nand his friends about this
legend, this cautionary tale,whatever you wanna call it.
Now his family, he's bringingthis back to you pernal level.

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Now his family in 1940 has movedto a property where now they are
across from Hunter's chapelchurch where Sadie and now I've
forgotten his real name.
Henry were both buried and hehung near that church as well.
Now gray, the storyteller hereis is now living.

(59:33):
Okay.
He gray says, he loved to gofishing with his dad, but I had
to just include this into edcould not go on this particular
day because.
He had a job to deliver the mailvia mule every day.
And in 1940, that was, I wasshocked.

(59:54):
And then I looked around at mysurroundings and I wasn't.
His father tells him, make sureyou are home before dark.
Right.
And he says, his dad says,there's rumors of strange
activities, happening in theneighborhood, whatever.
He is a good boy, but he ishaving a really good day fishing

(01:00:20):
apparently not my jam fishing,but he is nailing it.
And he is having much fun and isamazed that he just keeps on
keeping on.
And now, before he knows it,it's getting, it's getting late.
Yeah.
And he's probably not gonna makeit home before dark.
Right.
He is now he's got many fishhe's slowed down from his normal

(01:00:44):
childhood eight year old pace.
Yeah.
But he decides, he's gotta go.
He thinks, oh, I can make ashortcut through Lynch follow
and I can probably beat my dadhome or at least get there
before the whole dark thing.
He does that now by this point,of course, the sun is going down

(01:01:06):
and now holler, which basicallymeans you are just in trees,
you're in a, the woods and theremight be a road of me rt there.
And now it's looking creepy,trees are casting shadows,
you're, you're, you're in amess.
Right.
And he thinks he hears methingand sees stuff out of the corner
of his eye, but let's, be real.

(01:01:27):
We would all yeah, do that.
But he's like, eh, he turnsaround, he doesn't see anything.
But he starts to hear a und,mething he has never heard
before, and he could barely hearit at first Shiffy Shiffy Ty.
I forget the name you.

(01:01:48):
He starts to pick up to pace.
The und gets and as, just as onas he finally reaches the edge
of the hollow and he can see hishome raw headed, bloody bones,
picks up speed and almost getshim, but he makes it to his
wraparound porch where theceiling was painted in a light

(01:02:12):
blue color called you.
Oh, my starts paint blue.
In the house.
Yeah.
He raw headed bloody bones isvery unhappy.
Right?
And he lets out a scream like aban chief because he is forced

(01:02:36):
upset that he did not catch.
The boy.
The boy is the boy gray ishiding in his room.
All that, and as the moon is nowfully rising he can still hear
the Schiffy Schiffy thumpetythumpety on the other side of
the house.

(01:02:56):
On the other side, just like,like outside.
Yeah.
He can't come in cause we gotthe porch covered.
Oh my God.
He actually, up to this point,he hasn't really seen.
like in all his glory seen this,this dude.
He can still hear this thoughand starts to hear his father

(01:03:19):
riding up to the house.
I guess he gets a little bit ofcourage based off of that.
And he looks out the window andthe direction of the noise and
he sees raw headed bloody bones.
Well, he describes him asskeleton covered in bones and
muscle.
His head had a knot on it and aho here, I am saying it again, a

(01:03:43):
ho handle for a tale.
And here's your explanation?
The wind rattling through thebones made the und Shiffy Shiffy
and when the ho handle hit theground, they made the und
thumpety thumpety.
He says, yeah, great to theboys.
he never forgot what he saw andhe never ever dibeyed his father

(01:04:07):
again and was always home beforedark.
Okay.
And avoided Lynch holler.
Like it was the literal plague.
Let me see, we've got a sectionabout the real story that is
not, not that far off from whatI pretty much told you the real

(01:04:32):
story I kind of skipped.
Okay.
Other stuff, but a little bit ofdetail about the murder of Sadie
cook.
That is definitely actual fact.
It is believed that he probably,there was a very high
probability that he could havebeen innocent that, and she was
found unconscious with 14 gasheson her body and had a fractured

(01:04:55):
skull.
It really kind of caused intoquestion the entire veracity of
her being able to hand squeezingor otherwise, communicate at
all.
And let's see the mob.
Yeah.
I told, I told you the actualtruth on that part.
Oh, and the Constable theydidn't even report that he had

(01:05:20):
been taken by this mob until thenext day metime.
Okay.
Didn't tell anybody.
And I think that's about thehighlights of that.
Yeah.
Everything else that I talkedthrough was ablutely factual.
Now talking a little bit aboutgoing back to the earlier places

(01:05:47):
that good Lord said, thumpety,thumpety much, we're all headed.
Bloody bones can be found inoutside of this community.
Oh, more thing.
Okay.
Just to the, you know, makesmention of, you know, it's you
know, it's interesting, it'sfunny.
It's cool.
It's whatever that, folk talecan rise from the murder and

(01:06:10):
lynching and turns into a taleused to scare children into
coming home before dark.
Like you said, suddenly he's gota tail.
And I mean, of course the the howas because they thought that's
what he had used to inflict allof the injuries on her.
But how that all ha I don'tknow.

(01:06:31):
But again, you gotta go back toBetty, the Coner who had a pet
cemetery thing happen, thatcould explain why the extra,
just extra Henry That's all Iknow to say about that.
He al, the author says that thisfolk tell al undoubtedly comes

(01:06:56):
from a combination of the nameof a local family.
Uh, The Moores, M O O R E S,whose patriarch was roam, R O D
E H a M al known as raw head.
And I just said the ho handlecomes from the tradition that a
ho was used to kill Sadie.
That's just one possible youknow, thing, however the he can

(01:07:21):
actually find, mentionmentioning of this, which is
weird, and this is such aspecific, name, phrase, what
headed bloody bones.
He was able to find a mention in1548 in England, Yorkshire,
England, and Let's see, oh, inthe Oxford English dictionary.

(01:07:43):
They mention it as the, aboogeyman who was a water Demonn
and again, the Oxford Englishdictionary.
And in 1566, there is notationof a sermon that spoke of hell
and the devil needs to be takenas seriously as granny stories

(01:08:05):
about raw headed, bloody bones.
I'm not gonna go to that one.
Ah, and there was a gentlemanJohn Locke who wrote about what,
but he wrote a book.
It was just too boring for me toeven talk about.
But in 1693, Basically heinfluenced a lot of Thomas
Jeffern's writings and that kindof thing.

(01:08:28):
That's his, the only part ofthat connection I'm gonna go
into, but anyway, yeah.
Thomas Jeffern has a couplementions of raw headed, bloody
bones in letters that he wrote.
One is, there are fanatics, bothand religion and politics who
without knowing pernally havelong been taught to consider me

(01:08:51):
as a raw head and bloody bones.
What this term actually exactly.
it's kind of like when you lookup, these Victorian, slang and
stuff like that, you're justlike, even though you're
explaining it to me, I'm stillnot quite with you on that.

(01:09:13):
I'm, I'm curious.
I,

Yasmine (01:09:15):
I have never heard of that one where

Jen (01:09:17):
wow.
That.
Yeah, I, yeah.
And, and of Samuel Johnn and hewrote the dictionary of the
English language, wrote of aSpector called bra head used to

(01:09:41):
frighten children.
You don't know like it, that's1755

Yasmine (01:09:46):
say what happened to the

Jen (01:09:49):
lady that brought him back?
You have

Yasmine (01:09:50):
it now I forget

Jen (01:09:51):
her name.
no, yeah, same here.
That was a totally new one forme.
But I ablutely loved the tie inof, a.
Time that happened and how thatparticular community that and

(01:10:13):
made it mething together,different do

Yasmine (01:10:18):
you think, did he have a

Jen (01:10:21):
or mething like that?
Huh?
Oh she, she disappeared alongwith all of the men eventually
that participated in thelynching kind of a one by one

(01:10:44):
thing.
Yeah.

(01:11:04):
I don't know.
They, and, and that's the thefun part of that yeah.
Of these stories.
You've got, that, that lady,that older lady, who is just
known and accepted as the, thetown con, I'm struggling to

(01:11:24):
think of my town conjure rightnow, we had to have a, a way to
explain the existence.
How did why is, is Henry notjust, resting, impede and
forgotten about, we have to havean origin story for our local

(01:11:44):
boogieman.
And I'm guessing that, ofcourse, since this, starts, that
is interesting in the late 18hundreds That I, I can only
assume.
And that book was justentertaining enough that I did
not go on a, a deep dive to see,but I can only guess that there
is me form of Victorian or evenbefore Victorian flying or

(01:12:10):
mething that term or pieces andparts of it.
At least it was really loud.
meant mething derogatory.
I imagine.
Well, that was reallyinteresting.
Yeah.
And it's just carried on andchanged, as time goes.

(01:12:30):
That's my guess.
Completely.
Yeah.
yeah.
Uhhuh.
No.

(01:12:53):
Yeah.
That's okay.
it's alright, yeah, I know, Ithought that was really fun.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I really enjoyed that.
It makes me really excited tofinish me of his other books.
He's really, I mean, I he'swritten like over that's cool.

(01:13:14):
40 me different, books aboutlocal history, folklore.
He's actually kinda, I didn'trealize that and I was reading
his his biography and he's beenin charge of me very, very cool
and very major historic projectspreservation things.

(01:13:35):
He's written all of the plaques.
The historical plaques at me, atme places you know, which the
history nerd like me, I'm like,that's, that's up there.
You have arrived.
Annie's just a really nice guy.
yeah.
yeah, we I really hope to, Iwanna finish his a really big

(01:13:58):
book and it's a completely 100%true.
About me past historical crimesin in his, his neck of the
woods.
That he's written an aweme bookabout.
I'm hoping to get through thatand, and have him on to, to talk
with us kind of about that book.
that would be cool.
Yeah.
That's what I've got.

(01:14:24):
Oh, okay.
I actually wrote down the cialmedia stuff.
That I could not stumble throughit like a weirdo.
If we're good, thank everybodyfor listening.
And please, please give us aboost.
Like a serotonin boost stars oniTunes.

(01:14:50):
I, like I said, it drivesapparently everything in the
world.
And, but al would still verymuch appreciate it.
If you're listening app doesallow you to leave reviews.
I know the one I listen to doesnot good job still, but if it
does, please do that.
Or you can just say nice thingsto us on our cial media, which
with the exception of Twitter,literally you can just do mavens

(01:15:14):
of miss deeds and I've testedit.
You will find us.
That's TikTok.
Facebook Instagram Twitter, youjust have to do MA's miss deeds.
You lose the of, if you wouldlike to email, if you're more
introverted, like me then cansend us an email once again,
very easy mavens of miss deeds,gmail.com.

(01:15:37):
And I don't think I forgotanything that time.
Did I get it?
Okay, aweme.
thanks again, guys.
We'll see you next time.
Totally forgot.
It was me that had to stop it.