Sarah Ware Murder Part 2 and The Dudley Curse

In this episode we are back with Part 2 of the historical true crime story about Sarah Ware.  A coroner's inquest has been held and a suspect arrested, but will justice be done?  Many theories are starting to emerge and secrets are being revealed! Source material for this episode-Emeric Spooner's book "Sarah Ware Revisited".
Yasmine takes us to Dudleytown, Connecticut to a village that has become a ghost town.  The town's namesake, the Dudley family have suffered the effects of a curse placed on them since the time of King Henry VIII!  Legend has it that despite the family curse there is something evil that lurks in the woods of Dudleytown, so much so that it is now gated to keep prying eyes out, or maybe to keep something else in...

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Episode Transcript

Jen (00:10):
Hello Mavens.
Welcome to Mavens of Misdeeds,the podcast about folklore, the
paranormal and historical truecrime.
I'm Jen and joined by my equallyspooky cohost Yasmine, and I
just want to practice for ourtranscription, the software that
I use.
It, it corrects that when I sayYasmine like the most insane

(00:33):
thing throughout the transcript,and I'm like, I don't understand
this.
I feel like, yes, then.
I don't know what else I can,but then it'll pick up like the
weirdest words Uhhuh that,perfect solution will say and
it'll like perfectly, and I'mlike really?
Of all the ones I was lookingfor that one to be wrong.

(00:55):
But anyway, sorry everyone, thatwas just a little test for me to
see If, these script canactually hear me say ya men I'm
going to be going first tonightwith the part two of the Sarah,
where historical true crime.
That is now officially a sagaI've had to do.

(01:16):
This will, this will not be thelast part I had hoped and I was
gonna try, but it won't be thelast part.
But I will wrap this up in apart three for next week.
But once we get into to this,you will see why the more I
read, the more ridiculous thiscase becomes.
And now it is very easy to seewhy after a hundred.

(01:40):
15 plus years.
It is still technically un Ican't wait.
Hang on.
What your mama gave you I thinkis a it's our Southern
statement.
Anyway I've got this section aswe are going into the coroners
inquest now.
I guess probably should havedone maybe a somewhat quick

(02:04):
recap.
And for sure, if you're just nowdiscovering us, go back one
episode.
Cuz you will be completely lostin this whole thing.
Should have said that too at thebeginning.
To very briefly recap from lastweek we've got Sarah, Ware who
was a an upstanding woman in thecommunity.

(02:26):
She was Canadian.
She came to find her Americandream in Bucksport, Maine is
where she landed.
She married a prominent citizenof the town and had three
children with him.
And she was at some point becameunhappy in the marriage.
She divorced her husband thenshe took on some odd.

(02:49):
Jobs as a housekeeper aroundtown for a lot of different
families and was kind of justmaking her own way through life.
And then she was going about herbusiness, her regular regular.
Habits, routines of visitingfriends and things like that.
Running errands one day and shedisappeared.

(03:11):
Then about two weeks after that,they do discover her body and
that's pretty much what gets usto to this point.
Just for those of you thatlistened last week, that's just
a little recap.
We left off, they discover thebody on October 2nd, and they

(03:31):
have the the coroner's inquestthe very next day on October
3rd.
Yeah.
How is, how's that for instantgratification?
They have some local doctors,these are gonna be three doctors
that were local to Bucksport.
The first one is a Dr.
George Emerson, and he goes intothe most detail describing the

(03:54):
state that the body was in whenthey, they found it.
And I do wanna note here, causethis will be important for, for
this, and then as we go onthrough part two and then into
part three, that a group of menwere attempting to place Sarah's
body into a casket on obviouslythe back of a wagon from, to get

(04:17):
it from the scene to Okay.
The, the mortuary I presume.
And my favorite guy in the wholewide world.
William.
Treworgy which we all know fromlast week.
He is William.
Now I have not found anotherWilliam yet, he is now William,
I don't have to say that lastname cuz I feel about it.
Anyway, he stumbles into thebody somehow.

(04:40):
Not sure if he just trips orwhatever, but somehow he knocks
against the body as they'retrying to load it.
And her flipping head falls off.
Yes.

Yasmine (04:49):
Wait.
How long

Jen (04:51):
had she been missing at this point?
That's, yeah.
She was pretty well missing justlike two weeks.
So, Cause they remember theykinda sounded the alarm after
two weeks and then they As soonas the sheriff, Yeah, as soon as
the sheriff's, like, what, hegoes, gets these search parties.
Okay.
And then like within two daysthey find her they start on that

(05:12):
Saturday, they don't find her.
Okay.
Then they resume on Sunday andthey find her.
And then now we're yeah, we'rehaving this inquest.
Like I said, that's gonna bevery important to note for later
on.
The, he describes the skull asit's pretty much devoid of any
flesh at this point because shehas been.

(05:32):
In the elements, all thosethings her lower jaw is broken
and a big part of that ismissing and not recovered some
of the upper jaw's gone.
And somehow this gentleman isobsessed that an animal with
quote sharp teeth could havecaused all of this damage and he

(05:55):
is leaning towards a cause ofdeath as exhaustion yeah.
And pretty much like a, I mean,it, it was silliness.
Yeah, exactly.
And Horace Snow, Dr.
Horace snow.
He definitely believes that itis foul play.
He says maybe she could havefallen and then, her head

(06:20):
strikes against rock orsomething like that.
But he's really leaning towardsfoul play.
I think he feels bad maybe forDr.
Emerson.
The first guy that thinks thathe's obsessed with his animal.
Oh, and to note that GeorgeEmerson, he is like the most
experienced physician.
Like he's the oldest physicianand he's like clearly the most

(06:42):
clueless.
Anyway, then we've got Dr.
George to.
and he notes that the brain isstill in the skull.
He describes that the entireleft side of her face is quote,
jammed in obviously by like anexternal force.
He does not believe the animaltheory or the fall theory.

(07:05):
He says, unless she could havefallen, unless if she was tied
up or unconscious and kind of,thrown maybe down that kind of
thing.
But he's pretty much like y'allare silliness.
Like it, it was foul playbasically.
And then at the inquest, thatconcludes the, the doctors

(07:28):
anyway, their portion you've,Mrs.
Almira Miles, if we remember,that's the lady that she was
living with and had been livingwith for some time at this
point.
She says that Sarah normally wasalways home by 9:00 PM and at 10
o'clock she starts looking forher.

(07:49):
In what way?
She looked for her?
I don't know.
She didn't say in this statementand I haven't seen thus for
Yeah.
What that would be.
I'm not sure if she just wentdownstairs or something because
we know that she didn't reallydo a whole lot for quite a while
to really look for her.
But she says this in her coronerstatement and she knew that Mr.

(08:11):
Williams, this is the gentlemanthat we talked about, one of
them that she had mentioned hadowed her.
A fairly substantial amount ofmoney for past housekeeping,
child rearing, services.
She, she knew that Mr.
Williams had paid off all but$13of money owed to Sarah.

(08:37):
It's interesting that she's evenmaking mention of this cuz it
kind of comes out of a littlebit outta nowhere.
And she alsays that she had beenunder the impression that Sarah
was at John Bulduc's and just,cooking for him.
That was the gentleman that shehad said that she was gonna go
visit and then she'd be straightback home.

(08:59):
And she just assumes that she'sdecided to like stay over or
something.
I'm not sure.
It doesn't really make a wholelot of sense and really wouldn't
make a whole lot of sense forthe time, that wouldn't have
been.
two unmarried, a man and a womanspending, like, she's not just
gonna go shack up with him.

(09:20):
That's not gonna be sociallyright.
Okay.
in 1898.
I'm not, And it just, it doesn'tmake a whole lot of sense why
she would just think that.
Just kind of, file that away,especially for long.
I mean, now staying the night atsomeone's house that was not

(09:41):
weird because, you're on foot alot, If it got late and you got
tired, then that could be athing.
Still be a little bit of athing.
Since he was a widower, Right?
And she's, a single woman atthis point, it, that would've
still been a bit weird.
But anyway, it's what she saysthat she starts to assume.

(10:04):
Next we have Angeline Fogg.
And this was the woman thatowned a store where she stopped
and bought her cigar and was thelast person other than the
murderer to.
Well, nope, that's not true.
Cause a few townspeople also sawher, but she was the last one to
really interact with Sarah andspeak to her other than

(10:29):
presumably the murderer.
She testifies that she saw heraround 9:00 PM Sarah bought the
cigar and specifically said shewas in a hurry to get back to
Mrs.
Mile.
Now that's gonna lead everybodyto believe that she is obviously
going to be heading straighthome from stopping at the store.

(10:52):
I think I have this somewhereelse for some reason, but I do
remember it was said thatbasically she would've been like
a 10 minute walk from the storeback to her home with Mrs.
Miles yeah.
Not a long distance forsomething to, happen.
Yeah.
In that shorter period of time.
Now we have Charles Williams,the one that keeps being

(11:16):
mentioned, that owed her money.
He testifies and he says that hepaid her$65 on April 12.
And that that had him paid infull basically.
Obviously this is contradictingwhat Mrs.
Miles has just testified to thatSarah has directly, told her.

(11:40):
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Who's, who's telling the truth.
Five out of six of the jurorsbasically end up agreeing Wow,
that this was foul play as theirverdict.
One person firmly believed it tobe an accident.
Yeah, I, I, I don't know how youwould after hearing all of that,

(12:04):
but anyway and of course, thecoroner's jury is gonna be made
up of prominent men of the town,just bear that in mind.
Her skull is kept.
At George Ware's this is now herbrother-in-law.
And if you remember her herex-husband who's now passed away

(12:25):
his father had owned theprominent funeral home in
Bucksport, it was a regularfuneral home, a prominent one.
But anyway, her brother-in-law,I assume now he has taken over
this, this family business and.
He keeps the, her skull for safekeeping, I suppose at the the

(12:47):
funeral home in a locked box.
Unfortunately, it does become abit of a sideshow attraction.
he's gonna show it to anybodythat wants to come in and just,
take a peek at it.
unfortunately nothing new forthe, the times there.
Sarah's, the rest of Sarah'sbody ends up being buried in a
pauper's grave at Silver LakeCemetery.

(13:09):
And that's, and that in and ofitself is a bizarre, This is not
super here nor there.
I didn't.
Put it in my notes.
I was gonna skip over it, but Idon't know if it's gonna become
relevant towards the end or not,because many things that I
thought I could skip over.
As I've read further, I waslike, Oh no.
this is all coming full circlenow.

(13:31):
But it just to, to mention,Sarah was not unloved or
estranged from her children oranything like that.
Yeah, sure.
They had moved out of Bucksportand had their own, lives married
and whatever.
But it was, Sarah's livingdaughter, she basically comes
back and realizes this hashappened.

(13:52):
Well, she had paid for her for,they had paid for a few, like
for a spot, so, Evidently, thetown's gonna say it was a mix
up.
She was inadvertently and I, Ijust, knowing customs and things
of that time, I would find thatvery hard to believe they would
accidentally be put in thepoppers part of the cemetery.

(14:14):
It doesn't make any sense.
and as we'll get through this alittle more, more in part three,
but unfortunately Sarah wasdisinter a couple of times,
least two.
Some sources say three becausethis story drags on this, the
trials and things are gonna dragon for long, many so, but just

(14:37):
as a, to an, an end to that,ultimately Sarah gets her.
In the right place, where sheshould have been all along, all
of that.
Oh my goodness.
Albeit still headless.
And then cuz that's a wholeother thing that gets into
modern times.
Now the investigation begin andit, if I you have, as you can

(15:01):
imagine, we didn't have ScotlandYard hanging out in Bucksport,
Maine No.
Or pretty much anywhere else in1898, at this point in rural
America.
You've got two.
I'm using the word very loosely.
Detectives from outside ofBucksport, but from the state of
Maine, they somehow get wind ofthis and whatever, and they come

(15:24):
in and basically the town agreesthat they will pay them only if
they get on the, on thecontingency.
That if you get results, likeyou find the killer, then you
will get paid.
It's almost like a bountytournament, a detective style, I
think So, they're not being paidto come and investigate.

(15:44):
They're only gonna get paid ifwhat they do.
lands and results and they areindependent of each other.
And I'm not throwing names atyou here because again, there's
many names in this story thatyou would lose.
You would just lose your mind.
they're just detectives, it'sfine.
Sarah's the her trunk, andbelongings in her room at Mrs.

(16:06):
Miles.
Obviously the deputy sheriffhad, searches had been done
prior to these two detectivescoming, to see if any clues
could be, gained from examiningher possessions, things like
that.
And nothing, nothing had beenfound.
And now you alhave to keep inmind that from from jump,

(16:27):
there's this question that'sfloating around about money
whether she had a large sum ofmoney on her, whether she could
have been meeting someone tocollect money owed to her all
this stuff.
They're, they're looking to see,and and they've jumping ahead.
Now one of those detectives goesback to her room, he's like,

(16:53):
Hey, I want to do my own search.
And he goes with the deputysheriff.
On October 12th.
We're, we're coming up on, well,more like three and a half weeks
after she's been found.
And they find$45 laying out inthe open, basically on top Oh,

(17:14):
wow.
Of when they open her trunk inher and everybody's like, Yeah,
no, that was not there.
We have searched this room atleast once.
Some, some accounts said twice,and no, there was no what do you
think that, what, what would youmake of that?
I would

Yasmine (17:31):
think that somebody planted it.
Maybe that, Oh, wait, there wasthe guy that said he had paid in
full.
Put that in there because therewas some type of ledger that he
knew.
I don't know.
I I feel like somebody plantedit, but why?

Jen (17:43):
Right.
And I don't know.
Yes.
And one of like the authorstheories in, in the book is that
much was starting to circulateabout the money that, maybe it
could have been as simple as andactually the Boston Globe

(18:05):
actually accused in writing inone of their articles, Mrs.
Miles of basically stealing it,of going into a room.
And, and and the author says,Hey, who knows, after Sarah's
been found to be, dead, she mayhave gone been like, I've, we've

(18:26):
lived together for, gosh, it waswhat, like almost 10 years at
that point.
And, I, I think she would've.
wanted me to have this.
Yeah.
Or, or something, who knows?
Or could be as as simple as,Hey, she's dead, You shouldn't
need it.
whatever.
I, I, she of course, vehementlyis going to deny this and

(18:49):
threatens all sorts of things tothe, to the Boston Globe paper.
But there's another interestingpiece to that because ha and his
daughter had stayed for at leasta week with Mrs.
Miles after Sarah was found deadand his room was next to Sarah.

(19:09):
Obviously this would've givenhim ample time to have planted
the money potentially.
Wow.
That kind.
Yeah.
So, and remember just anotherlittle throwback to last week.
He is being sort of eyeballed.
Okay.
Cause been.
A little.
He's the one that was, a lady,another lady in the town had

(19:33):
said, while Sarah was stillmissing, and he basically Oh,
that's great.
Said, Well, she's dead.
And she's like, What she'smissing.
He's, he's on the, he's up thereas far as suspects are concerned
in a lot of people's minds atthis point.
And al people had the feelingthat she, cuz she had worked for

(19:55):
him and they had the feelingthat she maybe hadn't left on
the best of terms with himbecause they didn't know if it
was un unwanted advances or ifhe wasn't doing well
financially, right.
And hadn't been paying her asagreed.
That was another reason that hekind of stuck out to people.

(20:18):
Then when he is making weirdostatements like that, it doesn't
help his, his case any he al isnot able to provide an alibi for
the night.
He's, no one can say that theysaw him during these times, that
kind of thing.
And he, at some point, And thiscould be just embellishment from

(20:41):
Yeah, the newspapers of thetime, cuz we know they love to
do that.
But they're, quoting that their,the detective was able to find a
witness that was near the sitewhere Sarah was found, but with
a large coat, Well that it wasWilliam wearing a large coat,

(21:01):
even though it was not coldoutside and it was inappropriate
to be wearing, like, they'resaying they can place him that
night that she goes missing.
They can place him pretty,pretty much near and or at the
scene.
And he dressed oddly, and hesaid, Where did he say he was?

(21:22):
Huh he's basically just saying,that he's like home.
he wasn't with anybody, but eventhat odd, because he did have a
daughter, that lived with him.
I think she was around 16,something like that.
Not too young to, Yeah, weird.
Yeah, not, not too, not toosure.

(21:44):
But then here, this is the funthing about historical true
crime, when you can only most ofyour sources like this author
has had to rely on are thesenewspapers that embellish.
If they don't know, they'll makeit up kind of things.
They're great sources, but theycan albe a little, Yeah.
Who knows?
Just, take that for what it'sworth, but these things are not

(22:06):
helping.
William's case obviously onNovember, The for hire
detectives they search William'sproperty and he is okay with
that.
He is answering all theirquestions.
They are like, Well, can we,take a look around?
And he buy all accounts.
He is fine with it and says, Gofor it.

(22:27):
Knock yourself out.
And they do and they go backaround to his carriage house and
he does not go with them.
He doesn't follow them as theyare continuing, looking around.
Under his What do you called?
They call it a jigger.
Kind of like his buggy, like hischar, his poor drawn, I'm going

(22:52):
with buggy.
Yeah.
What I mean?
Like you would sit on it,Carrie, And I feel like we have
another word for that.
It's not coming.
I'm going with carriage still.
Yeah.
Okay.
Under the seat they find ahammer that has his initials on
it and a canvas.
Piece of large piece of canvaslike a tarp.

(23:13):
And it's got blood.
They've got blood on'em both.
Without telling him they collectthose two, they take a strip off
of, they don't take the wholetarp cuz that'd be obvious.
But they cut like a piece withthe blood stains, like the heavy
blood stains on it, the cut apiece of that.
But they do take the, excuse me,hammer, and they don't tell him
about that.
But what they do is they sendthem to have them tested to see

(23:38):
if they could determine if itwas human blood to the
University of Maine at Orono.
I've never known I passed thatsign every time we fly in and I
still don't know how to say itanyway.
Still university.
Still rocking today.
The professor there, he confirmsthat he does believe the hammer

(23:59):
does have human blood.
He thinks that on the tarp it'slikely okay, but he would not
testify to it.
Mm-hmm.
It could be animal blood,something like that.
But he, he believes it'sprobably William does not deny
that the hammer is his guy'sinitials on it.
There have been no point really.

(24:20):
But he doesn't deny any of that.
And then absolutely nothinghappens for a long time.
They pretty much as far as thedetectives are concerned, and
probably a lot of people that.
Closest involved to, to this atthis point.
Mm-hmm.
They believe he is the guy, butthey do not believe that they

(24:43):
have enough evidence, whichreally shocked me.
Yeah.
Because I thought by 1898 turn,Yeah.
I would've thought that wasplenty.
But last, no.
The detectives end up justbasically leaving they're like,
Oh, well he's the guy.
We can't prove it like enough.
So, and obviously, They're notgonna get paid, I guess, until,

(25:05):
unless he's like, at leastbrought to trial.
I'm not sure.
Anyway, they leave and butluckily the, and well, and
honestly, it starts to look likejust nothing is gonna happen.
Like this is just gonna be Yeah.
Wow.
Unsolved, I don't know.
Oh, well however, by the leadersof the town that's the way it's
looking.

(25:26):
The townspeople, however, theydo not agree that this is okay.
They begin to talk about this iswhere some conspiracies and
cover ups okay are starting tohit the rumor mill now.
Like why would, these, prominentcitizens and whatever, be

(25:47):
willing to just let this go andnot go ahead, and take him to
trial to arrest him at least,whatever.
So.
The citizens form a committee tooversee the investigation.
And, and interestingly enoughGeorge, we, the brother-in-law
who, by his own, he hadn'ttalked to Sarah in five, six

(26:10):
years or something prior to herdeath, they weren't close or
anything like that.
But he ends up being one of the,the leaders of that and oversees
the the money that has been setaside, basically like it
would've been to have paid thedetectives mm-hmm.
if they had, Close this thing upor for whoever could kind of

(26:31):
like a reward fund.
They call it a subscription,which was interesting.
Mm-hmm.
Took me forever to figure outwhat they were talking about,
and I was like, Oh, like areward fund.
I don't.
Okay.
Everybody in the town at thispoint has a theory, it's, it's
being talked about a lot.
There is extreme paranoia of, isthere obviously a killer among
us kind of thing.

(26:51):
And everybody agreed that Sarahwas a private, she was an
excellent housekeeper, she wasfrugal and that she had a good
reputation.
I, everyone could agree on thatsome.
And just to note, all men saidor implied in their Coroner's

(27:13):
inquest in their testimony thatshe wasn't always quote sane
yeah.
and all of the women whoactually, interacted with her
and talked to her and werefriends with and all of that
emphatically said she's of soundmind.
Okay.
Like, just seriously.
And that they had never, no one,no one had ever seen her with a

(27:37):
suitor.
No one could think of hearinganyone that they would think
could be an enemy of hers, thatshe just wasn't that type of
person, Again, the walk from theFogg store should have only
taken her 10 minutes to gethome.
And they alknow that Sarah wasnever known to take that sort of

(27:58):
isolated path really, that shewas found on.
That wasn't No, and it would nothave been on her.
This is where, people are nowstarting to really dig and think
about Yeah.
what could have possiblyhappened.
So, you start to see a bigtheory start to come in that,

(28:19):
what if she, if she was killedon that path, then she was
either coerced to, to get there.
Yeah.
Forcibly taken there or.
The big one that people start toreally lean more towards.
She wasn't held there.
She was dumped there.
If you'll remember, her body didappear to be a bit posed, her

(28:45):
ankles were crossed or her legswere crossed and her arms were
crossed.
on her chest, you're not gonna,more than likely, I would think
naturally fall would basically,like, almost like the casket
pose, I mean that would be,unless that would be, there'd be
some odds against that.
I would, Sorry,

Yasmine (29:04):
unless you were wrapped up in a piece of canvas No.
For a

Jen (29:08):
while.
Okay.
Exactly.
And yeah.
And people are starting to put,two and two together with the
little bits of information thathave obviously, trickled out
that, that they're finding outand they're, that's why they're
starting to heavily lean towardsshe was dumped there.

(29:29):
Also, She was seen by the Foggswith her purse but it was not
with her body.
Again, people, that's justanother thing.
Tick the box on the money sideof, of things, Could this have
been a robbery?

(29:50):
or could this have been,something to do with money?
Someone didn't want to pay herwhat they owed her, and
therefore, she went to collectit and they Yeah.
Yeah.
Did that, these are, these are,all of these things are up for
grabs.
But in general, William is stillat the forefront of everybody's

(30:13):
mind.
And on the suspect list, whichobviously the canvas and the
hammer did nothing to help that.
And then when you have a, and I,I must have skipped over that
sentence, but she alhadfractured temple in addition to
all the jaw stuff.
I think at some point somewherepeople I don't remember if it
was one of the doctors, it mighthave been the newspaper, you

(30:35):
can't, I don't know for sure,but that there were pretty much
like three distinct, pointsYeah.
Of, and a hammer obviously is,is could easily do all of those
things.
Shatter your, some jaw, Well,okay.
Wait, a

Yasmine (30:52):
simple, That doctor in the beginning that was saying,
he was convinced that it wassome kind of wild animal with
teeth, right?
Right.
Okay.
But on the, what type of hammerare we talking about here?
Is it like a hammer that we havethat has one blunt side and one
very sharp side with like claw?

Jen (31:11):
I don't knows a good question.
I don't know what 18 bulking

Yasmine (31:15):
hammer, because hammers were, I don't, I don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.

Jen (31:21):
I'm with you.
Yeah.
And, and we can get realdetailed I won't Yeah, that'd be
too far ahead.
You can see though, why peoplequestion Yeah.
Are starting to, and thenalstarting to think, well, why
is, is he still out and aboutamong us if they have, this

(31:46):
evidence and basically, we'reable to figure this out surely
they have.
And now you've got, another, andthe, the conspiracy, is there
something going on with theupper right, echelons of our, of
our town here is somethinghappening Is someone, is there a

(32:07):
cover up basically going on?
They know he did it or they knowwho did it, but for whatever
reason okay.
They don't want this salt.
So.
Yeah.
However, around it, it, I don'tthink it was on, but it was
close to March 10th, 1899.

(32:29):
We've gone a few months now.
Oh William.
Was arrested and at the firstinitial hearing, the state
produces a, just a, a bombshellwitness Joseph Fogg Jr.
23, presumably the son ofAngeline and Right.
her husband that owned the storeand the, the town store.

(32:53):
And he says that he helpedWilliam move a body.
He's, he says on September 26thhe passed by William's place and
William asked him to help himwith a job.
Doesn't really tell him muchmore than that.
They travel via wagon up toMiles Lane.

(33:16):
So, The path where this is allcomes to a head about halfway
from where Sarah's body wasultimately found.
They're about halfway William.
They stop.
William jumps over a rock wallwith a piece of canvas and later
comes back to the wagon.
Joseph knows that there is abody wrapped up in this canvas,

(33:40):
but he does not know if it's ananimal or a human either way.
He helps load it into the wagon.
They go.
Further further up this lane,this path.
Mm-hmm.
to the spot where ultimatelySarah's found and William takes
the body and then, comes back,basically tells Joseph not to

(34:02):
speak a word or else, obviouslythis could be you but can Joseph
be, Why did he come

Yasmine (34:10):
out right away?

Jen (34:11):
Seems that Well, people are kind of, Here's the deal with
Joseph.
Did he, and remember we're inconspiracy land now,
potentially.
Did he?
But they didn't wanna be hearingany of that.
But then when the canvas and thehammer are found by these two

(34:36):
outsiders that come in to thedetectives when they find this
is, now this gonna be a problem?
They can't ignore Joseph nowthey can't keep the lid on
Joseph.
But the other thing with Josephis that it seems like he may
have been disabled, had anintellectual disability

(34:58):
potentially.
What we do know, I mean, it'ssaid, the papers were like,
Well, he couldn't read or write.
He didn't even know if it was1897 or 1899.
But again, 1898, you're, you'renot gonna be.
Out there, if you don't know howto read and write, that's not
gonna be Right.
Something abnormal.
It's, it's not, especially notin a, in a community like that

(35:22):
where you work the land Yeah.
The the sea is there, bread andbutter, things like that.
That's, I I kind of, take thatas like, Yeah.
It's 1898

Yasmine (35:34):
not necessarily an

Jen (35:35):
indication.
That's, that's not weird.
That's not weird at all.
No, it's really not.
Not at all.
And I'm, that alone doesn'treally, phase me one way or
another.
But there were some, some otherthings that people described.
It definitely sounds like, itmight have been a tad odd or
whatever.
But again, 1898, they didn'tknow a lot of Right.

(35:58):
the things that we know now,that we as humans, we are
afflicted with sometimes and,people can't help it, but it has
no basis in intelligence and,those kind of things.
So, so, but those are gonna bethings that, people and I could,
and he very well could havebeen, had an intellectual

(36:19):
disability.
He very well could have.
And that's why, people werelike, eh, Joseph likes to tell,
tales and, and stuff, However,what they could agree on is that
now his story did flex a littlebit from time to time.
Mm-hmm.
when it came to the, the maindetails didn't waiver a bit,

(36:41):
didn't change a bit.
That's pretty, Pretty good.
The other thing, that comes outis that, Sarah had been seen by
many people with her smallhandbag and alwearing a light,
cuz again, apparently it was notcold, And I have to say that

(37:01):
man, cuz in September it couldhave been, like, they never
know.
But apparently, in 1898 it wasnot like that.
It was a nice day.
She was wearing she had herlight handbag and she was, had a
light shoulder cape on.
People had seen her.
With that.
And at some point, basically shehad to be identified by the

(37:22):
clothes that she was wearingbecause of, the, the damage and
the time that she had beenexposed and things like that.
So, people, they noticed, theynoticed that and they, and like
I said before, many people sawher.
It was ridiculous.
Like, I, like it was justridiculous.

(37:42):
Yeah.
And even like late at night, I'mlike, What are y'all doing?
Basically, I mentioned herhandbag was not found with her
body, however, it was found atwhat Mrs.
Miles house.

Yasmine (37:57):
Hidden.
Hidden.

Jen (37:59):
Hidden under a commode or behind a

Yasmine (38:03):
commode.
But he stayed there, right?
He stayed there.
Wait, who stayed there?
Yes, he did.
Yes.
Okay.

Jen (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
William and his daughter, Yeah,they stayed there after, right
after.
Yeah.
she was found, her body wasfound for what reason?
Yeah, I haven't, if it's gonnacome out, I haven't seen it yet.
Well, it could have just beenbecause Ms.
Miles did need a companion andhe's got his 16, 16 year old
daughter.
Could have been.
And they were friends.

(38:30):
Cause remember last week theycame and, and, and had Sunday
dinner with her all the time.
his, they were close to her.
That, actually, I might justsolve my own question on that,
but so, but the the, the lightshoulder cape what, But guess
what was there?
Sarah's heavy rain cape had beenput behind her head.

(38:53):
That's why they didn't know howsleep her head was attacked to
her body.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And people when they hear this,the, especially probably the
ladies, they were like, No, no,no, no, no.
She was not, she did not havethat.
and, and they basically,everybody is testifying and

(39:14):
saying no.
She was only known to wear thatwhen it rained.
Essentially it sounded like itwas, basically like a rain
jacket, what I mean?
Like, we're not gonna on a hot,sunny day or whatever, take our
rain jacket cuz we all knowthose things are blessed hot, If
you've got something else tojust knock off the evening chill

(39:37):
a pretty decent Septemberevening, you're gonna wear that
over the hot, rain coat.
And that is where.

Yasmine (39:47):
Oh my.
We're

Jen (39:47):
gonna leave part two and part three we will get into the
trials.
Yes.
Plural.
And some of the otherinteresting things that come to
light.
Also, the fact that Bucksportwas evidently the place where
people went to have very strangeand unexplained deaths.

(40:12):
And if we remember Mrs.
Miles was a big part of thespiritualism movement, as with
Sarah's in-laws.
And she tries to connect withSarah and there's just a lot
more to come.
That's

Yasmine (40:24):
exciting.
Oh my gosh.
Good job.
That was good.
Oh, yes.
I have theories, I havequestions.
Wow.
I cannot wait to the rest of it.

Jen (40:34):
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Ugh.

Yasmine (40:38):
How do I follow that Well, we're staying in New
England today.
I was doing lots of, ofsearching of what I should do
and and I kind of stumbled onthis story or this haunted
place.
I wasn't really looking for ahaunted place, but this

(40:58):
interested me because it hassome well, I, I'm really
interested in Henry VIII and hiswives and all the history of.
thing And it just tie a littlebit of space and read the eighth
and I was like, Oh.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah, it kind of hit thatexcitement for me.
Okay.
We're gonna talk about DeadlyTown Connecticut.

(41:19):
It is reported to be one of themost haunted places.
One of the YouTube videos that Iwas watching said The haunt most
haunted place in the world.
He kept saying that over andover again, I don't think, I
dunno about that.
That bold is pretty haunted.
My sources I use today are makemakeup and Spook at on YouTube.

(41:42):
Christina, she, she told thestory and put her makeup on.
It was a really fun way to tella story.
Obviously Wikipedia alwaysAmerican haunting sync.com.
Only in your state.com.
Yeah, I, yeah, there's a lot inthere.
Like your state, Deadly TownWoods, actual footage on

(42:02):
YouTube, again, damnedconnecticut.com.
Seaside Shadows by Courtney,which she tells stories on
Facebook and if, let me justgive her a shout out because it
was interesting and engaging.
The way she told the story, shewas outside by a fire.
She, read some quotes from somebooks.

(42:23):
It was great.
Seaside Shadows by Court hauntedrooms.com and I 95 rock.com and
that is a radio station.
I was like, this is a crazyarticle, but it was good.
Okay, Duly Town Connecticut wassettled in 1740.
Several members of the Dudleyfamily three brothers to be

(42:43):
exact, were some of the earliestsettlers and it's not actually a
town.
It's called Duly Town, but it'sbasically an unincorporated area
of Cornwall and it's reportedthat the duly family is the, is
from England.
And I'm gonna give some historyon those guys and that they
brought their curse with them.

(43:06):
Curse nice.
Yeah, no, they do.
Oh.
Have thoughtful.
Great.
Curses, Anyways, well okay, theDudleys, Okay, here we go.
Edmond Dudley.
He's the one that basicallystarted the curse.
He was a privy counselor ofHenry the seventh, and he's, if
you guys don't know what a privycounselor is, he's basically the

(43:30):
closest of the close to theking.
He even goes to the restroomwith him, that's the most
private of positions only at theage of 23.
He was one of the definitelyfavorites of the King Henry the
seventh.
Upon Henry the seventh death, hewas imprisoned and charged with
the crime of constructive.
I don't know if you, Henry theseventh won his crown in war and

(43:55):
by marrying.
The previous King's daughter.
Two ways, but there was stillalways a it was always upheaval
when you go from one king to thenext.
Especially back then.
We saw this, oh, sure, pastcouple weeks that it was quite
smooth that was nice to see.
But right, that's kind of, itcould have been all at war and

(44:17):
obviously treason.
What constructive treason is,it's, it's a like a judicial
term.
It's an extension of thestatutory definition of treason.
It's like in place of actuallydoing something treasonous.
You didn't stab the king in theback, but you planned for and

(44:38):
thought about the king's death.
What he did is he rounded up.
Well, he, Okay, I'm gonna stayat a, like, nicer than rounded
up his posse.
he, he ordered his friends toassemble arms.
It was other note to assemblearms in case the king died.
But because he was a privycounselor, he had inside
information, he knew the kingwas not feeling well.

(45:01):
Right.
It was found out though that itwasn't just in case it was
albecause he wanted to protecthimself from the growing
unpopularity of his financialdealing boo.
Yeah.
He was beheaded when Henry Theitook over.
It's like yeah.
I would be old That's fair.
I would be old.

(45:21):
And with the

Jen (45:23):
is any, are you alnow like thinking like constructive
criticism?

Yasmine (45:27):
I think, yeah, I thought about that too because
usually constructive criticism,I mean, you're telling the
person their negative thing.
Anyways.
Yeah, no, but constructive isbasically a term to use like for
a far out idea, just an idearather than the actual thing.
But yeah, no, that definitelycorrelates Okay, so, he is,

(45:51):
Edmond is where the curse began.
Unfortunately, his son was alanoble man, nobleman and followed
in his footsteps.
He was the first Duke of NorthUmberland Edmond's Official
title was Minister of Henry thatto Henry the seventh when he
died.
And unfortunately, John Dudleywas ultimately alexecuted sorry.

(46:15):
Oh, upon Henry the Eighth'sdeath, his son and Air Edward,
his uncle Edward Seymour.
The first oral of Somerset wasnamed Lord Protector.
His brother Thomas, caused allkinds of problems over the
years, stirred stuff up, andeventually they were both
removed and X vm, John Duley No,really, I mean, well looking for

(46:36):
error.
I mean, the uncle did kind ofkidnap him and then the other
uncle refused to press charges.
Yeah, it's pretty, it was prettybad.
Yeah.
Anyways, Okay, that's fair.
John Deadly was made Lordprotector.
To the 15 year old King.
Edward was super young once,Lord protector, and while King
Edward was having a difficulttime trusting his sisters, his

(46:58):
older sister, Mary.
Catholic a lot allied with theSpanish.
His younger sister wasProtestant which her mother had
pushed for while she was queen.
King Edward changed thesuccession to once again skip
his royal sisters and name hiscousin, Lady Jane Gray, who
alhappened to be Dudley'sdaughter-in-law.

(47:21):
And yeah, he named her his heirand she was alprotest.
No one knew the young king wouldfall ill and succumb to his
illness before his 16thbirthday.
That had just happened.
His cousin was queen for ninedays.
She never wanted the crown.
It said that she went to it veryreluctantly.
When Mary took the throne, hewas convicted of high treason

(47:44):
and executed.
That's why he was executed.
Jane, unfortunately, and herhusband, Lord Gilford, who was
dudley's, they were alexecutedlater on in 1554 when people
kept trying to get behind themto do more taking over, I guess
to, to Ous to Mary.
She didn't want to execute hercousin, but she ended up having

(48:05):
to because people kept gettingbehind her also.
At the very end John deadlyconverted from Protestantism
back to Catholicism before hewas killed.
There's a lot of debate onwhether he was just following
orders upon King Edward's deathor having much more Ilu.
Did he surrender beforecapturing?
Oh, he did surrender albeforecapturing Mary and converted to

(48:27):
Catholic.
Both.
But then there's the other sideof it.
Henry the eighth did execute hisdad, maybe he still had, a
grudge for these guys, for the,Henry the eighth and his son,
and then he was trying to placehis daughter-in-law on the
above, the daughters of the kingwho killed his dad.
So, I mean, pretty good.

(48:47):
So, so, such a bad idea.
It's a terrible idea.
Like, What is that conflict ofinterest?
I mean, that should have doneyou from the start, like, Oh,
for sure.
Yeah.
Nepotism.
Unfortunately, the curse of theDeadly continues.
His third son, Robert Dudley,was the first oil, oil, was the

(49:08):
first Earl of Lester the firstEarl of Lester.
He was a suitor and favorite ofthe first Queen Elizabeth rumor
and scandal about theirrelationship and the untimely
death of his wife Amy in theircountry home led to him having
to stay out of court.
He was kicked out of court.

(49:29):
He, he actually earned a placeat the royal decision making
table.
And it is thought that it's, heeventually left England.
There's, there's kind of debateback and forth that either he
was the one that left Englandand it was his descendant
William who.
Eventually settled Duly town.

(49:49):
We're getting there.
there's lots of history we'regetting there.
Or it could have been one of hischildren who left and then it
was there just either way.
It's, kind of back and forthwith history and stuff like
that.
So, that is the dudleys.
It's thought that duly town wassettled by descendants of the
deadly family from England andthat their curse followed them

(50:10):
across the Atlantic.
But since it's been abandonedfor long, there is no lasting
proof.
It's been abandoned since theearly 19 hundreds, it's been
abandoned a very long time.
I'll get into more dates sincewe kind of talk about the tragic
happenings, in the town, but,Okay.
How old are you?
Okay, the settlement, this guynamed Tom Griffs.

(50:32):
Griffith Griffs, Yeah.
Followed by Gideon Dudley.
In 1753 and they were soonfollowed by Bari Dudley and Ale
Dudley kinda looks like Abel,but with an i, an extra eye abi.
But this bar Z, it's b a R Z I Ll, Far Zli AI Z, that's a name

(50:59):
for sure.
And then their younger brotherMartin.
Yeah.
Deadly Yes.
Thank you.
My goodness.
And they brought, Thank you,Martin, their families and
several other families to settlein the area.
It was a dense Connecticutforest.
And they transformed it intofarmland.
They.

(51:19):
Tackled it, I guess into being,yeah, into being farmland.
I looked on thes and while I wasdoing research and I just am
shocked by the green compared towhere I'm at.
It's incredible.
But and zoom in a little bit, Istill just see green everywhere.
It's amazing.

(51:39):
They really had to tackle thisyeah, these hills because it was
in hills and the soil was notvery fertile.
They had to put their farm landlike on top of a hill because
other places between thesehills, there was no proper
sunlight.
There was no adequate sunlightfor growing.
That could have been one of theissues why it didn't stay

(52:01):
populated for too long.
That's one of the things thatthat is said about it.
And there's much better soilWest.
People started migrating, peopledid start legitimately making
farms and things like that.
The village is actually situatedbetween three hills, the town
was dark starting at noon everyday.
Crazy, right?

(52:22):
Yeah.
Like, like sundown at new everyday.
That is yeah.
In 19 weird 24, a company calledDark Entry Forest Incorporated
bought the property and thevillage side is now close to the
public, but is still trespassedoff.
They actually have a reallyheavy police presence at all

(52:44):
times, which is reallyinteresting.
Like why I guess in 19, Yeah.
Oh, let's do this one first.
Maybe that, maybe we'll getthere.
Well, I guess in 1970 ofWarrens.
From the Conjuring fame, Iguess.
They went there in the 1970s anddid an investigation and what
they said was that Dudley Town,I see what their actual quote

(53:05):
was.
I'll probably get to it in mynotes later, but that it was,
Oh, the Warren, oh, here we go.
They declared it officiallydemonically possessed and I
searched and search, Yeah,officially.
Oh, I searched and searched.
There was a special they did onTV and it aired on, I wanna say
it's one of the old, old, one ofthose that are and I was looking

(53:25):
for a clip.
I was hoping there was a clip ofit, but I could not find it
because of all the other thingsthat are much more popular with
them, Annabel and sponsoring andall that stuff

Jen (53:35):
about them.
About Amna

Yasmine (53:36):
Bill.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, they went there, theydid their investigation
officially demonically overhere.
Okay.
So, and in 1999, the Blair WitchProject, even though it was
filmed in Maryland, promptedrenewed interest in the village.
People started to remember, Ohwow, we have this thing in our
woods over here.

(53:56):
Let's go check it out.
And it just kind of created thisrenewed, like I said, renewed
interest in hiking the woods andstuff like that.
Just because they were like, Oh,I remember this thing from way
back when that somebody told meabout, Let's go see.
Oh, and my parents said this.
They saw these guys on TV andYeah.

Jen (54:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, that local.
So, I mean, I imagine,

Yasmine (54:19):
because apparently now there's differing sources that
say whether or not there'sactually people that live there,
but.
if someone does live there, Iimagine having hikers in your
backyard constantly doing weirdstuff on their trumping around
with their video.

Jen (54:39):
I'm just curious.
I say, Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.
Not

Yasmine (54:41):
just, Not just hikers.
Not just hikers, Right.
Normal investigators, peoplethat think, I mean, maybe they,
they don't realize that they'rein someone's backyard, but I bet
that would get really an honestbeat.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know how I got off onthat tangent.
I don't remember what I wassaying.
But for a time, Dudley Townactually did well in their when

(55:02):
it was first put together.
They participated in the lumbertrade but there were never any
shops or schools or churches,they had to come out of, their
little village to go to Cornwalland other places often for
school and church and thingslike that.
There were strange occurrencesfrom the start.
Many disappearances, unexplaineddeaths and instances of people

(55:24):
losing their minds.
Yeah.
Lovely.
Yeah.
Wow.
For such a small, tiny area cuzit's only about a thousand
acres, but those acres alincludehills, not where the village
proper would be.
It's not a very big town and nostores, no car, like, no real

(55:45):
commerce of any kind.
And for that much, Bizarretragedy to be happening is, is
pretty significant.
I'm gonna tell you some ofthose.
ooh, quick sip.
Okay.
abi abi.
A bell, a bell.
Dudley was one of the originalfounders.
He lived his whole life inDudley, even after losing his

(56:08):
property, his fortune andbecoming ward of the town.
He stayed there.
Two, his older two brothers, orhis other two brothers, wow,
have long since left.
Because they couldn't make moneythere anymore.
And unfortunately, a bellsuffered from Sonali Sonali
during his final years.
He went a little bananas.

(56:28):
His brothers who left, they didnot suffer the same fate, they
attribute his ality to stayingin newly.
Yeah, stay.
In 1792, Han Hollister, a goodfriend and neighbor of a bell
was killed while helping anotherneighbor, William Tanner, build
a barn.
He was smashed.

(56:50):
Something fell on him.
Yeah.
William Tanner, unfortunatelyalsuffered from Ility in his old
age.
He claimed strange creaturescame out of the woods at night.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
No, Remember the strangecreatures?
Love that.
There's a couple, I talk aboutit a couple more times.
Remember, never forget this.
It's okay.

(57:11):
Nathaniel Carter moved into aBell's House in 1759.
Obviously once he was gone, aplague swept through Duly town
and Cornwall, and many relativesof Nathaniel died.
Yeah.
He moved there.
What.
Like his brother and his family.
He had his own family, wife andkids.

(57:32):
And then he moved there withlike a bunch of other relatives
in kin based mm-hmm.
Um, And a lot of those guysdied.
His little family is fine far.
They end up moving out of DeadlyTown after that happens because
they were sad and it was reallytragic in, that's in 1763 and

(57:54):
they moved to Bing Hampton, NewYork?
Is that how I say that?
Bing.
He, Binghamton.
Bingham.

Jen (58:02):
Binghamton, I usually try to just say things like that
fast

Yasmine (58:05):
cause it's definitely not being Hampton Bighamton.
anyways.
Oh, okay.
The Carters believed in thecurse of Duly town.
Even in those early years, theCarters moved.
To the Delaware Wilderness inthe heart of Native Territory.
They got out and they moved toNew York.

(58:28):
I don't know how wellestablished Big Times.
Oh.
But then moved from there to theDelaware Wilderness in the heart
of Native Territory, and theyexperienced an attack and
Natives killed Nathaniel, hiswife and their infant child.
They kidnapped the three otherchildren.
The two daughters were Ransom,and the son stayed with the
natives, grew up with them,married a native woman, and

(58:51):
eventually went on to edit anewspaper and become a justice
in the Supreme Court.
That was I mean, that's one likeawesome story out of like a lot
of sadness and terrible.
I, I don't know how I feel aboutthat, but the Carters vehemently
believed in the curve.
I don't know if them givingenergy to it, maybe.

(59:12):
Eh, I don't know.
I don't know.
That one's tough because.
His story too does alcoincidewith their an some duly
ancestors, where one of the, I,I believe it was a Gilford, but
not the one that was executedwith Lady Jane Gray went
somewhere and brought the plagueback to his troops and then his

(59:36):
troops took the plague to theirfamily.
This kind of draws a little bitof parallel, and I think that's
why this story is reallysignificant.
Also, I got some plaguehappening.
Yeah, and we got a Supreme Courtjustice out of it for a while.
Do, do that with, I don't know.
Sorry, I have to, I have to.

(59:59):
Oh.
I's finding silver lining liningstory?
I mean, I don't know whathappened to his sisters.
They were, they were, the ransomwas paid, but they were then
orphans.
like, sad, Right.
So, okay.
Another story was of generalHerman Swift.
He served in the RevolutionaryWar under George Washington in

(01:00:21):
1804.
His wife Sarah Faye, was struckby lightning while standing on
her front porch.
She died in, Yeah.
And they, their house is holy.
Dang it.
Now, I forget the name of theroad, but there's a specific
road that in Cornwall that leadsto this Dudley town.

(01:00:43):
It was apparently one way to getthere.
I'm sure you can hike otherways, but there's this one main
road and they're situated on themain road, not necessarily in
Dudley Town.
It's like kind of no man's land.
But she was still struck andkilled.
Simply.
She was just hanging out on theporch.
General Swift was rumored tohave gone insane.

(01:01:04):
Following his wife's tragicdebt.
That's a bummer.
Yeah.
Wow.
So, okay, we're in 1804 nowabout a hundred years later,
1901.
By this time the town is all butdeserted.
One of its last residents, JohnPatrick Brok and his wife and
two children seemed to have beendealt the final blow of the

(01:01:25):
curve.
First his wife died ofconsumption not long after they
moved there.
Was not unusual for the time andshe had been sick, so.
Right.
But with what people say, andI'm gonna get to that with what
people, how people feel whenthey're there.
It maybe makes sense that shekind of succumbed to her illness
once they moved there.

(01:01:45):
Unfortunately just after thefuneral, his two children
disappeared in the fourth andwere never found.
Yes.
What, there's rumor or orspeculation that the kids were
getting into trouble already.
There had been like some stolenhorse blankets and yeah, just
little like not super seriouscrimes or anything like that kid

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stuff.
Right.
But for them to go, people aresaying, Oh, maybe they, after
their mom died, maybe they ranaway, but they were kid, they
were like eight, like probablyfive.
I think they saw they were kidand they were gone forever.
Yeah.
While it does not end there forMr.
Brok he's alone in his house,and it caught, it catches fire

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unex, like with no explanation.
Not only did it catch fire, butit burned to the ground.
Nothing he's left with nothing.
Mr.
Broy himself then wandered intothe forest never to be seen
again.
Yeah.
Terrible, right?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So, okay, that was 1901.

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This one said around 1900.
It's kind of an estimated time.
This Dr.
William Clark and his wife movedto Cornwall.
I could not find her name, whichI bums me out.
the doctor, wife, Yeah.
But anyway, Oh no.
I, The doctor and his wife movedto Cornwall.

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They loved the forest and theybought a thousand acres, which
included deadly town.
They basically bought that wholeunincorporated forest area.
Okay.
Which had the village of thestill standing, even though it
sounds like only a couple peoplelived there.
They built their summer home inthe hills up there.
He and his wife enjoyed themountains and they visited their

(01:03:32):
vacation home often.
In 1918, Dr.
Clark and his wife were stayingin their vacation home when the
doctor was called away.
Not an abnormal occurrence forthese guys.
He's a doctor and they, I mean,even doctors now get called away
at the, when something happened,his wife stayed.
By the time the doctor returned,less than 36 hours later, she

(01:03:53):
had gone completely insane.
She told Dr.
Clark about strange creaturesthat come out of the forest and
attacked.
She unfortunately committedsuicide soon after.
Yeah, just like that.
She's fine and he comes back andshe's raving about these strange
creatures and could not calm herdown, and then she's gone with

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that.
I believe Wow.
With what it sounds like, whatit all looks like is that his.
Corporations.
Dr.
Clark, he was the one thatcreated, I forget the name.
I wanna say Dark Forest.
Oh that.

Jen (01:04:33):
Oh, how could I forget?
That's those.
Yeah.
Start with an S I thought

Yasmine (01:04:37):
I forgot cuz I was talking about Henry It's a
problem.

Jen (01:04:41):
It's a problem.
I forgot to

Yasmine (01:04:45):
Dark Entry Forest Incorporated.
That's 1924.
Dark entry.
I believe it was one of hischildren when he died because
that whole thousand acres hasstayed together in that dark
entry.
It's been owned consistentlysince then.

(01:05:05):
I was seeing some stuff about itbeing auctioned a few years ago,
but I didn't have time to reallyresearch that too, too much.
Because even if it wasauctioned, it seems like it was
all kept together anyway.
Still a thousand acres.
Now signs are posted and gatesare locked to trespassers and
hike.
I mentioned before, it's notknown if there's current

(01:05:27):
residences.
It's not known fully, but it'sthought that there's a few
people that do live there.
Visitors of duly town reportheavy darkness.
The silence is noted.
Everybody that I, that I,everything I read, every video
that I watch talked about thesilence.
It's loud.

Jen (01:05:46):
Ooh.
Yeah.
Because normally if you'resurrounded by woods, you're,
you're gonna, there's thatambient sound.
Yeah, exactly.
You hear of being in a forest.
Yeah.
Right.
You hear an animal scurry

Yasmine (01:06:00):
leaves rustling.
They're, they're saying there'snone of that.
Nothing investigate.
Yeah.
And how do you live there?
Oh, to be, Oh, wow.
Investigators believe there's avortex or thin veil to the next
world in deadly town.
I mentioned the Warrens hikershave seen and filmed orbs.
Okay.

(01:06:21):
I watched a couple of thesevideos and legitimately okay on,
on TikTok.
I don't know if I mentionedTikTok as a contributor to my
story today, but what I waswaiting to, to jump on today, I
was like, Oh, let me just seewhat, But you could see shadow
figures moving across in frontof trees and things like that.

(01:06:43):
You could see orbs kind ofmoving and at.
I, I don't know.
Oh, I, I tend to be a believeron that type of stuff.
I don't receive that.
Yeah, TikTok man.
It's silent.
It's without wildlife.
Really very, yeah, very quiet.
So, Oh, I have this quote, Yeah.
From this man named NicholasRobert Grossman, who did show up

(01:07:06):
quite a bit in articles.
And he is a paranormalinvestigator, specifically in
like the New England area.
And he, he has this quote, butI'm not going to give it to you
word for word because you couldtell he was on the radio
station.
This, is that the source fromthe radio station, the I 95 or
whatever.

(01:07:26):
Because he does a, a lot of likeums and s, and in my like stuff
like that.
I'm just kind of, Get to thegood stuff, but this is
personal, right?
He says there is something veryspecial about the place.
I believe that it's haunted withmy evidence that I got there,
but there is something veryspecial about the place.
When you walk into the heart ofduly town, you won't hear

(01:07:50):
animals, you won't hear birds,you won't hear anything.
It's just this void.
It's almost like I oftendescribe if you've been inside
of a music studio and theacoustics, muffle and the sound,
that's the kind of feeling youget and the sound.
That's the kind of feeling youget with your ear while walking
up there.

(01:08:12):
Well, if you hold your handsnear your ears, but don't touch
them, you hear muffling.
There's definitely a void upthere.
Some type of vortex, some typeof portal.
Honestly, I believe Deadly Townis more.
Interdimensional thing going onthat it is like spirits and
stuff like that.
I think it's its own unique typeof thing, and I've had a lot of

(01:08:33):
strange phenomena.
I remember one time I waswalking down the trail and there
was no wind.
I was saying goodbye to thesupernatural there.
I always do with respect to a,with respect, and a fern was
waving up and down.
I went in front of the fern tomake sure there was no wind
doing it.
The thing was waving like it waswaving.

(01:08:56):
The place is alive.
It's a force that is very muchalive with phenomena.
Thank you.
Send it back.
Don't, don't want it

Jen (01:09:08):
I, I'm just, Yeah.
If you have a forest and youdon't ever see any wildlife red
flag, that for sure a majorproblem.
Because isn't that what theysay?
Like I don't know what kind ofweather event, like a, we call
it tsunami or something likethat.
People will say like, Yeah, likeyou'll, the birds will stop.

(01:09:32):
If you people pay attention thatthere's signs from nature like
that you can, I don't like theanimals and stuff.

Yasmine (01:09:39):
Go fight if you pay attention.
Competitor too.
I mean, some lurking.
Oh, I don't know.

Jen (01:09:45):
Yeah.
I do

Yasmine (01:09:51):
Yeah, you, you can't get into it.
Like Oh, that's wild.
That's I think what has a lot ofpeople really, really especially
interested because I mean, youcould, Oh, the Queen Mary, for
instance, like you can go visitthe Queen Mary, you can go on a
tour in the Queen Mary and ex,like, have stories.
Yeah.
And maybe possibly experience,paranormal happenings because it

(01:10:15):
still happens.
But for them to say, Absolutely,you cannot come in and you will
get prosecuted.
I mean, one of the videos that Iwatched today the guy was say
they were stopped by policebecause they were parked too
close to it, and he almost gavehim a ticket for being illegally
parked, just for being there.
Like, it's serious stuff andlike, what are you, like, what's

(01:10:36):
in there?
What are you hiding?
Like I get, you don't wantpeople to be in your backyard
all the time, tramping aroundand stuff like that, but it's
like almost creating moreinterest in like, Oh, you can't
see.
Oh, you don't know.
And I don't know, maybe that isa plan for that.
Like who knows, Who knows?
But what

Jen (01:10:56):
is the, and not just made me realize that we started
watching it and then we didn'tfinish.
But more out your way out westthere is a very similar No
situation.
Yeah, no.
Well, I mean, yes, but no.
Oh my gosh.
I'm never gonna, I don'tremember what we were watching
it on.
I'm gonna have to look and see.

(01:11:16):
Anyway, it was like a discoverychannel.
Was it like mountains?
I think it still on desert.
On the beach.
Yes.
Well, desert.
Yeah.
Desert.
Oh no.
Superstition.
Mountains.
No.
Uhhuh.
No.
I mean, that's a thing.
I'm gonna have to find it and,and a we need to let my husband

(01:11:36):
know we need to get back intolike, finishing it.
Cause it was really starting toget good and I don't know what
happened that we got out of it,but anyway basically this
SuperDuper like mega rich manhas purchased this property and
basically he employs theseextreme security measures to
keep people out of it.

(01:11:57):
And they have had some massivewow stuff caught.
And he like has paid to bringthese like, like basically like
he assembled sort of a team,like best of the best like in
the scientific community to tryto figure out, this one guy he,
he brought in he.

(01:12:19):
I don't know if he's retiredfrom NASA Uhhuh.
But basically he worked for na,he basically is a rocket
scientist, basically like a realone.
And to, and they set up theselike insane experiments to try
and out NASA guy that came outlater and

Yasmine (01:12:35):
was telling all the secret.
Oh, okay, okay.
Okay.
Wait, Okay.

Jen (01:12:39):
I don't know.
We didn't finish it, I don'tknow to sound familiar.
I can't like the name of it.
The name of it is like, I can'teven get like a letter to even
try and do as a quick goo butoh, well,

Yasmine (01:12:50):
Okay.
Yeah.
Just seriously, I'll have fornext week.

Jen (01:12:54):
Wait, was it what you're thinking of?
Was he like, like secrets?
Like as in like, like goodsecrets or secrets as in like
that whole thing was like fake.

Yasmine (01:13:03):
Oh, okay.
I don't know if it's the samething.
Cause what we were, we werelistening to a podcast same, but
the guy was on it.
Oh, the NASA guy.

Jen (01:13:11):
Was he like Super

Yasmine (01:13:12):
Southern said the same one.
Dang.
See these NASA guys just

Jen (01:13:17):
But those secrets sound fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were good.
Those secrets sound fun though.
what you're talking about.
Ah, okay.

Yasmine (01:13:26):
Okay.
Tangent.
That's alright.

Jen (01:13:29):
Now I'm like, yeah, that's okay.
Yeah, somebody's probably likelistening.
They're gonna be like, ah, likewhatever the name show is,
they're screaming it, name theguy.
Or like I do sometimes when I'mlistening and Yeah.
And people can't think of likethe, and I'm over here like, Ah.
But yeah, it's gone.
Okay.
Well that was that And sorry, onmy half or my part about the,

(01:13:55):
the part three.
But as you can tell, it justlike keeps getting, It really
does more and more insane andthe more people they're

Yasmine (01:14:04):
aware, brought in, more people are talked to, the
crazier it's, it's getting.
Wow.
Well, I cannot wait.
Yes.
Yeah.
You want me to take us out?
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