November 6, 2025 • 26 mins
The 2025 World Series is officially over - and it’s time to talk about it all. Looking into all seven games, going over key moments, and answering the important questions. Was that ball actually stuck? What is an 18 inning game like? Are the Dodgers ruining baseball?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Was the ball stuck enough in the wall. Now he
is referring to the lodged ball that was not fielded
in Game six of the World Series and ninth inning.
I will say right now, that was exactly what a
lodged ball looks like. Once it stops you, if it
gets jammed, if it hits and doesn't like, if it
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doesn't move at all. Once it hits, you are topped
two hands in the air. Now we can talk about
whether or not that's right whatever, but that is a
lodge ball. And the reason you're told not to play it.
Everyone's like no, no, no, no no. The rule says
that you can pull it and then they can look
at it after those plays. If you go and you
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feeld it, you are then showing them what what how
the play could play out, So now they have something
to work off of. That's the problem. That's why you
don't do it. Okay, So say you run up, you
try to feel it, it's too stuck. You try to
get it and you flail and you throw it and
the guy gets it in the parker home run. Right
now you're like, go look at it. Now they have
an in the park home run, scoring two runs. As
(01:14):
there as the play that happened that needs to be overturned. Remember,
overturning plays is different than than verifying them. So if
you throw your hands up, then they everyone they just
everyone stops and then they determine.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They can't project what happened now because it didn't happen.
So you what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's just a lose loot. It's a it's a win lose.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It is to lose lose situation if you try to
feel it, because then you have to feel it perfectly
just to get the play you would have gotten had
you just thrown your hands up. So you always throw
your hands up because it will benefit, it will go
in your way, they won't overturn it. Then the chance
then you don't have a high chance of it being
overturned from New York because the play never played out,
So they don't have something to go off of. They
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have to start predicting things, and you can't do You
can't predict double plays. You can't assume anything in baseball.
That's kind of a rule, the main underlying rule. So
what you want to do is put them in a
position where they can't assume anything, and that's why we're
told to do that. So the rule says they can
look over they can look overlook it again, look at
it again. But it's rarely over ruled, and they you
(02:19):
just don't You don't want to give them the chance
to put to just say it wasn't lodged, because if
they say it wasn't lodged, they'll still probably have to
stay where they were.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
All that said, it was launched.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So what percentage of starting pitches you think could have
done what Yama did ninety six pitches and then thirty
four pitches the next day.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I don't say thirty six, it was thirty four. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He only threw one hundred and thirty total, one hundred
ninety six pitches into thirty four pitches. I think you
would be blown away with the number of guys who
could do it. But you can't do that more than
one time, okay, Like and maintain your stuff. So we
have so there. Every pitcher is one of two things.
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They are a person who wakes up the next morning
and they are sore as hell after they pitch, or
they're a second day sore iness person, meaning that next
day they have like this looseness and adrenaline. Yeah they're sore,
and yeah they're kind of weak, but like their aren't
still loose and they can they can get they could
for a short amount of time, get that get that
umph on the ball again. And uh, I think that's
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what Yamamoto is. I think he is a like I
bet you he throws a bullpen on his third day
because the second day is so sore.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So like it depends.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's it's not about being able to throw that like
any starting pitcher and be like, I am physically able
to throw one hundred and fifty pitches. I know, like
in an emergency, if I needed to do it, I
could throw one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sure, I would lose probably sharpness at the end, duh,
like for the last thirty pitches or so.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But I can physically do it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I can keep my velocity up and keep my stuff
generally Okay, command would probably start to go away, but
I could do it. If there's no other pictures available,
if everyone else is dead and there's only one guy
who can throw pitches, still, I could physically do it.
Pretty much every starting pitcher can do that. So that said,
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coming in the next day it's Game seven in the
World Series. Like adrenaline. He's just running completely off it.
And I'm sure the next day he felt like he
got hit by a mack truck. So you would be
surprised the number of guys can do it. But to
do it that well and be that sharp, that was
what was so impressive. Like he was throwing, everything was
moving just as much and he was just as sharp
command wise. That's crazy. That's what the impressive part is,
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not the ability to do to throw the pitches, but
to do them effectively. So that's a great question. That's
a great question. How about that, Louis Arland. Let's talk
a little bit about why Louis Arland's crazy, and I
want to we're just gonna get into the big storylines
of it. Louis Arland through fifteen times in eighteen games.
So yes, games were spread out over just under a month.
(05:04):
So he threw I think through fifteen games in like
twenty six days. So that's doable. But the average, what
you want to average in appearances in the regular season
are twelve per month. That'll get you to seventy. That's
that's the top Eschelem and that means you're throwing a lot.
Fifteen and twenty six days is an asked Ton, and
he threw ninety eight plus the whole time. He also
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gave up five homers, So like, this is crazy for
a couple of reasons. One, he's a workhorse, but also
in the playoffs, usually you're just if you're a reliever
and you're giving up homers, you're not gonna be given
that many opportunities to give up home runs. But like
the unique perfect storm of how things were going allot,
like he's all they had, so they kept throwing him
out there. So for him to like throw that many
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times and give up five home runs, it's like unheard
of because usually they'll just be like, all right, you're done,
who's next, Like we need.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Somebody to get the job done.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But like in that World series generally, which is really
amazing to think of, Like there was like there's sixteen
total relievers and like four of them were trusted total.
Isn't that crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You gotta talk about your savage, all right, talk about
Tray Savage. So I have maybe I'll will use this
to start the Tray Savage video that I have been
working on I'm gonna do a deep dive like breakdown
of his mechanics of his stuff, but let's just set
the stone the tone this way.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Twenty two years old. Started in high A and Duneedon woof.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I played there, whoa, I lived in Dunedin Woof, Okay.
That is like as far from the big leagues possibly
you could feel like you're getting. And then he got
there and then game their number two starter. Impressive. He
had two of the best big league starts I've ever
seen in the playoffs. Dude, this playoff said the best
starting pitching I've ever seen. Maybe that's another video. So
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many idea, so that is that is incredible. He struck
out eleven Yankees and he struck out twelve Dodgers. And
he has that style of stuff that is unlike anyone else's.
He has a unicorn approach to the game. He throws
directly over the top like a like a Felix Bautista
arm height I believe it's slightly lower sixty four degrees
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and Felix Wattisa's sixty six, but he's directly over the top,
with a splitter that goes straight down and a slider
that goes straight down and also armside a little bit
and then a forcing fastball that carries it twenty. So
he is the North South game. He is as dialed
in as possibly can be. He reminds me of the
Michael Waka twenty four to twenty thirteen, right like where
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they're like, we know what he's doing, but you just
can't know how to hit it until you see him pitching.
And the traject machines that they used to prep don't
have that eye of an arm slot.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's hard to get ready for that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So his combination of three pitches is really really good.
But what we saw is when he got hurt to
give up home runs, he is going to give up
home runs because he doesn't have north, he doesn't have
east to west. He doesn't get off of barrels. He
misses bats, and he's gonna have to find a way
to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Eventually, he's gonna have to have a cutter or like
a sweeper, or like a steam.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He's gonna have to throw like a splitter and a
steam shifted change up or like a sinker or something
something that starts to go this way, because once you
just put people in the lane, they can catch you
like like men months he did. Okay, do I think
he's a perennial cy young incoming. It's possible, but he's
more likely like just a really good picture right, just
(08:31):
based on what I saw. But his demeanor was incredible,
So he as impressive as I've ever seen. I was
able to speak with him on the field in Seattle
for the Alcs for the radio, and this is this
is an endearing term. I'm not trying to throw any
shade the Golden Retriever energy, just like I'm happy to
be here. This is awesome. Like he was really taking
it in, just like isn't this cool? Like I loved you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was like, yes, it is cool, You're cool. I
love this.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I love that you're acting this way, not like we'll
do it like he was just like, yeah, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's nuts. I don't know, I'm having so much fun.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Reminded me of ms your Oski when he's like that.
I don't know what I'm doing. I just throwing harder
I can.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I love it. So yeah, Tray Savage cheers, Bud cheers, ftfam.
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
What do you make of the multiple Blue Jays running mistakes.
I gotta be honest, guys, I feel bad. It's you know,
it's crazy. So I want to start answering this question
like this. The craziest part about this is we like
Jeff Hoffman isn't getting I mean, yes, he's getting plenty
(10:50):
of ire right, people like Hoffman whatever. But like I
thought it would just be like God, Jeff Hoffman, like
everyone would just like focus on him, but we are
so focused on we are focused on the base running
mistake of Barger the like, even though we're calling it
a mistake, when he's he would tie the game if
that ball drops in.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He wants to be able to tie the game.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So he got deeped a little bit, and yeah he
got caught out, but being aggressive there was like he
needed to shade aggressive which had worked for them and
taking extra base and all that kind of stuff, So
he was just being overly aggressive. A great play was
made and then the pick by maybe a row is ridiculous.
The play but made on the back end was also incredible,
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so you got to give credit what credit is due there.
But yes, he k got him a little bit because
he caught it a little more easy than Bargarr thoughts,
So that was a mistake. And then the IKF thing
him being conservative there is what you're supposed to do
he was just too conservative. His lead was too short.
He needs a short lead. He needed to take at
least another big step. He was safe with that. The
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people are saying, just run standing up through the base.
That'll no one's ever gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That's just not what you're taught to do.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That is that is a mistake ninety five percent of
the time, especially if like you missed the bag, you
slide on the bag, you hurt yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's the big thing too. You slide on the bag.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You stepped right on plate and you slide and you
tear your knee up, like it's.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Not worth it at that point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So I'm sure he would have been probably safe in hindsight,
but he being conservative there as Whitmyorfield and many many, many,
many many great baserunners n EX players have said was
the correct approach because getting getting doubled up there. If
he got doubled up again after it just happened the
night before, imagine how the fans.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Would be acting now.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
At least He's like, if I get thrown out at home,
we still have another.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Chance to score a run, because there's only one out.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I cannot get doubled up, and I understand that that said,
he still had a little bit more room, which would
have made it moot. And I understand being too conservative
to that point is not what you guys want to see.
But again, hindsight, what is it twenty So that's I
think that's what's it like being in an eighteen inning game.
(13:15):
We win, Yet that's how it's like, it's it's crazy,
it's it's so much so I've watched one and I've
been in two, or like I think I'm sixteen in
eighteen in game in my life, when you haven't pitched,
staying ready to pitch, it's like the most draining mental thing,
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Like you're just like.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Every inning, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You want to be one of the guys that is
the leverage guy at the beginning, that's what you want,
so it's very hard. And then once you've pitched, like, okay,
come on, we saw this with the Mariners, like the
look on their face.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm like, which team is going to be? Like, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
How this ends at this point, I just needed to
be over who's gonna who's gonna break? Because the commentator
is fully broken, and uh, I know there's critiques of
Buck and Uh and Smoltzy, but guys, imagining two people
in a room that have to talk about the same
two teams for six straight hours, you'd be making stuff up.
And also you need to put some respect on the
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players in.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That in that game's names. Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That was the Will Clein versus Eric Lauer game and
very impressive stuff out of those two guys. Andy Moto
was gonna come in that one too. This playoffs was crazy,
good man.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I love it. Mmmm. Can you get some kudos form
Will will Power Clin? Yes, congratulation? Will you deserve that?
World cheers? Ring.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, someone made a great point, Questley did and I'm
gonna hit it real quick. Uh, what if on the
IKF play is kind of silly because Migi rowe also
kind of kind of bubbled the ball, But what if
what if Miggy Miguel rojas Is feel did it cleanly
and through it? It would have been close? Like what
if he also didn't bobble it? I understand that like
that made him I can't have more chance, but he couldn't.
(15:09):
He just did the best. He did the best thing
he could with the information he had at the time,
and that's all you can ask. And I know that sucks,
so I and I think that most people know that.
And you're what's happening is you're grieving, And I get it.
I twelve year old me was in my body just
watching the Mariners blow it. Man, I got like they
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did blow it. It got blown. And I've been in
that situation and I blew that game like you don't
want to blow it, but blowing it is what happens.
And I that part of me is like, eugh, grieving.
People are grieving and this is one of those things.
Is such a strong, it's such a good playoffs such
a long time that grief is the right word for it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So but man, the Blue Jays was so good.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think they were overall better, a better team, but
the Dodgers experience took over.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Why has bunting not done much? Especially in the playoffs
when bats go cold easily? I would argue that bunting
is more common.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now than it used to be. But I think that
we're gonna see more and more of that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Usually it's because of roster construction and the guys on
in the roster. Like every it's a it's a balance
between Yeah, bats go cold, but big swings are very
important also, so you want more guys taking that have
the opportunity to make a big swing taking swings.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So like it's a one of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Like, yeah, we can't really hit, but we do have
a bunch of guys that could go deep at any moment. Like,
I think you need a little bit more bunting though,
well Jays did a lot though. What happened to the
old fashion high chopper? It's time terrible, that's why. But
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we have we have I think over the game is
over efficient. We've gone too much in the efficiency side,
so crazy stuff can't happen, which does define baseball a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So I'm so.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Glad the better team didn't win, Trev, I have terrible
news for you. That's actually baseball. The better team doesn't
win like a lot. Sorry, the Blue Jays were the
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better team. They also lost sixty eight regular season games,
and they were the better team more than sixty eight times, see.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What I mean. Like, it's just.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's kind of what baseball is like, That's why you
can't buy championships. What's your take on the better World
Series performance? Yama or Bumgardner, ooh, that's interesting. I'm gonna
go Yama only because he didn't start game one, so
like his it's crazy just just because because he didn't
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start game one, and he did it against a more
potent offense, but just barely. The mad Bum stuff was crazy. Also,
I think mad Bum could have thrown like ten more innings,
so like he just ran out of innings had they
gone into had they gone to into the fifteenth, he
still would have been pitching. So but those two, for
me are two of the greatest, the greatest probably performances,
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you know, pry the ball out of my dick hold
dead fingers kind of like just gutsy performances in the
history of the Major leagues. Better team doesn't blow Game
six and seven at home. It depends on what you
mean by better, right, are we gonna go by like
the team that won is better or not? Or is
that oversimplified? This is crazy that we're having this this
(18:56):
semantic conversations. By the way, they got they just got
beaten Game six. They didn't blow that one. They got
they just got beatn that one. But they did blow
the last one, the last one they blew. So all right, Uh,
do you think that the Mariners won Game seven, we
get a better, worse World Series worse. I think that
the Mariners had the same issues as the Dodgers, but
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they just weren't as good. I think I think it
would have been more of a Brewer situation. I think
they would have just warned them out and it would
have been like a bunch of four to one, three, one, three,
two games. I just, I just I think the Blue
Jays had the best chance to win the World Series.
Do the Dodgers repeat next year? I don't think so.
They're getting older and it became really apparent. And also
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they just went seven games World Series and back. Here's
another thing about baseball winning the World Series. When you
win the World Series, you've been playing baseball for eight
and a half months.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You only have three and a half months to rest.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So the older you get, the more like these nagging
things don't get resolved in the offseason, and then you
lose guys in the play in the regular season and
you have to have young guys come up and fill
in for them.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Who those gun guys are for the Dodgers, but like
the era of Freddie and Mookie and these guys being
like the core core core, that's gonna start loosening up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're gonna have to get reinforcements. But we'll see, we'll see.
They could.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Of course they could. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, Ernie Clemett,
I want to talk about Ernie Clemett. Ernie Clemet set
the record for the most hits in the playoffs in
with thirty, which is incredible, and he was wont dude
had that ball that PA has stiff armed keik Aarnandaz
into the ground for landed, Ernie Clemett would have been
the MVP and Yama would have been not the MV
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because he gave up the game when he hit. Isn't
that crazy? Like that was the difference that was. It
was like no pacatta to you. You win like that's crazy,
which is sick, Like that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Isn't that awesome? But Ernie Clemett was MI MVP. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Barger not too far, dude, Adison Barger was a problem.
He was like he was so clutch. Both of their
swings were so dialed and they were hitting stuff. What
do you think they're doing out there?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know. It was crazy. It was amazing. It
was amazing. But yeah, I can't say enough. He set
himself up.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It'd be interesting to see what him and arger do
next year and how big of a role they play.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But like Ernie Clement gave me, he.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Gave me big ben Zobras vibes, big Benzobra slides, and
he looked like he was having so much fun.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I was really riding with him, I really was. It
was weird because I was like, obviously I'm not like, oh, yeah,
go Dodgers, but I'm also there's this little part of me.
It's like blue Jay's mad at you, and I have
this thing with Springer because he got me a few
times and he's just tough and so like. And the
people who work with me in the office here are
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Marinas fans, so like. They took it hard. So it's
really hard to root for the Blue Jays, even though
there's ill he's lean towards. They have not won a
World ties and thirty plus years. It's Canada. I like Canadians,
and the Canadians are awesome. They're a great, great fan base,
great place to play, and it's different and we haven't
seen it in a while.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It would be more fun to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And also, like, I want to see a team that
is like, okay, fine, we'll sign our superstar.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And then they win the world tiers immediately. I want that.
I want that more.
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Speaker 1 (23:24):
How about the Miggi Rojas Homer? He is pesky and
I struggled to face that guy. I got to give
the typicaut to him with the defensive plays and coming
up big. That is the first time anyone has hit
a game tying home run in the ninth inning ever,
Nuts nuts, so Meggi row and then homegrown talent Will
(23:49):
Smith taking it home baby.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Nuts? Remember when show he had Tony got walked five
straight times? Me too? Me too? Does Bo sign with
the Rays? With the Jays?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't think so. I think I'm just him and
as is now their shortstop. But Bo Baschett better get
paid paid just it depends on where he plays. Man,
He's just not a very good shortstop. I think he's
a great player. I love watching that guy play. He
can hit, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can he hit.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But it's it's it's it's there are stretches where it is.
It is god awful short So uh Biaber signed, Biaber
accepted his option.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, we talked about that earlier, which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Do you think they were overlooking looking Rojas for who
was coming up after?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Absolutely absolutely? Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay? So I have another one.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Let's get the bottom one there, duffy, and then all
we'll do a couple more and then.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Then I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What about him and Az trying to get hit on
the hand and then complaining about getting hit.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that was interesting. That was that was interesting. I
was so confused.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I was like, I think this is just a let's
get some energy out here boys kind of situation. Him
and as like, you're gonna get on base any way
you can.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's up and in. You kind of threw his hand
out in slow mot It looks way worse than it
was in real and full speed. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
But then he actually gets hit and then he's like, dude,
you just did it twice.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He threw it twice, Like what?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Basically he was like, I think he was getting defensive
about that thing that he kind of knew he did.
And honestly, I don't blame like this being a natural
reaction because I gotta get on. I have to get
on right here, like him kind of doing that and like,
hope that didn't look too bad, and then him getting
hit and.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
He's like he's like what what did he hit me?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Because you think I'm trying to get hit And then
and then he's like, no, man, why would I hit
you on purpose? I'm left handed, I throw ninety seven
and up on deck as springer.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Why would I hit you? So like they were He's like, what, man,
are you trying to hit me? Because I tried to
get in a way that one.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He's like, no, that was an The first one was
an accident. And then I made the same mistake, and
so they were both like, oh, okay, all right. It
was just it was just funny because I was like,
I think he's getting a defensive he's getting proactively defensive
by the first pitch, and the other guy's like, oh,
I would I hit you?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And I'm like, why would he hit you? That doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And then he turned into like, but I'm gonna get
pastor you because we got to come back here. Like
sometimes you gotta fire up the boys, that's what turn
to do. But at the end of the day, I
was that out outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I was like, this is unnecessary.
Was the ball stuck enough in the wall. Now he
is referring to the lodged ball that was not fielded
in Game six of the World Series and ninth inning.
I will say right now, that was exactly what a
lodged ball looks like. Once it stops you, if it
gets jammed, if it hits and doesn't like, if it
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doesn't move at all. Once it hits, you are topped
two hands in the air. Now we can talk about
whether or not that's right whatever, but that is a
lodge ball. And the reason you're told not to play it.
Everyone's like no, no, no, no no. The rule says
that you can pull it and then they can look
at it after those plays. If you go and you
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feeld it, you are then showing them what what how
the play could play out, So now they have something
to work off of. That's the problem. That's why you
don't do it. Okay, So say you run up, you
try to feel it, it's too stuck. You try to
get it and you flail and you throw it and
the guy gets it in the parker home run. Right
now you're like, go look at it. Now they have
an in the park home run, scoring two runs. As
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there as the play that happened that needs to be overturned. Remember,
overturning plays is different than than verifying them. So if
you throw your hands up, then they everyone they just
everyone stops and then they determine.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They can't project what happened now because it didn't happen.
So you what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's just a lose loot. It's a it's a win lose.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It is to lose lose situation if you try to
feel it, because then you have to feel it perfectly
just to get the play you would have gotten had
you just thrown your hands up. So you always throw
your hands up because it will benefit, it will go
in your way, they won't overturn it. Then the chance
then you don't have a high chance of it being
overturned from New York because the play never played out,
So they don't have something to go off of. They
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have to start predicting things, and you can't do You
can't predict double plays. You can't assume anything in baseball.
That's kind of a rule, the main underlying rule. So
what you want to do is put them in a
position where they can't assume anything, and that's why we're
told to do that. So the rule says they can
look over they can look overlook it again, look at
it again. But it's rarely over ruled, and they you
(02:19):
just don't You don't want to give them the chance
to put to just say it wasn't lodged, because if
they say it wasn't lodged, they'll still probably have to
stay where they were.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
All that said, it was launched.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So what percentage of starting pitches you think could have
done what Yama did ninety six pitches and then thirty
four pitches the next day.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I don't say thirty six, it was thirty four. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He only threw one hundred and thirty total, one hundred
ninety six pitches into thirty four pitches. I think you
would be blown away with the number of guys who
could do it. But you can't do that more than
one time, okay, Like and maintain your stuff. So we
have so there. Every pitcher is one of two things.
(03:04):
They are a person who wakes up the next morning
and they are sore as hell after they pitch, or
they're a second day sore iness person, meaning that next
day they have like this looseness and adrenaline. Yeah they're sore,
and yeah they're kind of weak, but like their aren't
still loose and they can they can get they could
for a short amount of time, get that get that
umph on the ball again. And uh, I think that's
(03:26):
what Yamamoto is. I think he is a like I
bet you he throws a bullpen on his third day
because the second day is so sore.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So like it depends.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's it's not about being able to throw that like
any starting pitcher and be like, I am physically able
to throw one hundred and fifty pitches. I know, like
in an emergency, if I needed to do it, I
could throw one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sure, I would lose probably sharpness at the end, duh,
like for the last thirty pitches or so.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But I can physically do it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I can keep my velocity up and keep my stuff
generally Okay, command would probably start to go away, but
I could do it. If there's no other pictures available,
if everyone else is dead and there's only one guy
who can throw pitches, still, I could physically do it.
Pretty much every starting pitcher can do that. So that said,
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coming in the next day it's Game seven in the
World Series. Like adrenaline. He's just running completely off it.
And I'm sure the next day he felt like he
got hit by a mack truck. So you would be
surprised the number of guys can do it. But to
do it that well and be that sharp, that was
what was so impressive. Like he was throwing, everything was
moving just as much and he was just as sharp
command wise. That's crazy. That's what the impressive part is,
(04:38):
not the ability to do to throw the pitches, but
to do them effectively. So that's a great question. That's
a great question. How about that, Louis Arland. Let's talk
a little bit about why Louis Arland's crazy, and I
want to we're just gonna get into the big storylines
of it. Louis Arland through fifteen times in eighteen games.
So yes, games were spread out over just under a month.
(05:04):
So he threw I think through fifteen games in like
twenty six days. So that's doable. But the average, what
you want to average in appearances in the regular season
are twelve per month. That'll get you to seventy. That's
that's the top Eschelem and that means you're throwing a lot.
Fifteen and twenty six days is an asked Ton, and
he threw ninety eight plus the whole time. He also
(05:26):
gave up five homers, So like, this is crazy for
a couple of reasons. One, he's a workhorse, but also
in the playoffs, usually you're just if you're a reliever
and you're giving up homers, you're not gonna be given
that many opportunities to give up home runs. But like
the unique perfect storm of how things were going allot,
like he's all they had, so they kept throwing him
out there. So for him to like throw that many
(05:48):
times and give up five home runs, it's like unheard
of because usually they'll just be like, all right, you're done,
who's next, Like we need.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Somebody to get the job done.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But like in that World series generally, which is really
amazing to think of, Like there was like there's sixteen
total relievers and like four of them were trusted total.
Isn't that crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You gotta talk about your savage, all right, talk about
Tray Savage. So I have maybe I'll will use this
to start the Tray Savage video that I have been
working on I'm gonna do a deep dive like breakdown
of his mechanics of his stuff, but let's just set
the stone the tone this way.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Twenty two years old. Started in high A and Duneedon woof.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I played there, whoa, I lived in Dunedin Woof, Okay.
That is like as far from the big leagues possibly
you could feel like you're getting. And then he got
there and then game their number two starter. Impressive. He
had two of the best big league starts I've ever
seen in the playoffs. Dude, this playoff said the best
starting pitching I've ever seen. Maybe that's another video. So
(06:59):
many idea, so that is that is incredible. He struck
out eleven Yankees and he struck out twelve Dodgers. And
he has that style of stuff that is unlike anyone else's.
He has a unicorn approach to the game. He throws
directly over the top like a like a Felix Bautista
arm height I believe it's slightly lower sixty four degrees
(07:20):
and Felix Wattisa's sixty six, but he's directly over the top,
with a splitter that goes straight down and a slider
that goes straight down and also armside a little bit
and then a forcing fastball that carries it twenty. So
he is the North South game. He is as dialed
in as possibly can be. He reminds me of the
Michael Waka twenty four to twenty thirteen, right like where
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they're like, we know what he's doing, but you just
can't know how to hit it until you see him pitching.
And the traject machines that they used to prep don't
have that eye of an arm slot.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's hard to get ready for that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So his combination of three pitches is really really good.
But what we saw is when he got hurt to
give up home runs, he is going to give up
home runs because he doesn't have north, he doesn't have
east to west. He doesn't get off of barrels. He
misses bats, and he's gonna have to find a way
to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Eventually, he's gonna have to have a cutter or like
a sweeper, or like a steam.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He's gonna have to throw like a splitter and a
steam shifted change up or like a sinker or something
something that starts to go this way, because once you
just put people in the lane, they can catch you
like like men months he did. Okay, do I think
he's a perennial cy young incoming. It's possible, but he's
more likely like just a really good picture right, just
(08:31):
based on what I saw. But his demeanor was incredible,
So he as impressive as I've ever seen. I was
able to speak with him on the field in Seattle
for the Alcs for the radio, and this is this
is an endearing term. I'm not trying to throw any
shade the Golden Retriever energy, just like I'm happy to
be here. This is awesome. Like he was really taking
it in, just like isn't this cool? Like I loved you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was like, yes, it is cool, You're cool. I
love this.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I love that you're acting this way, not like we'll
do it like he was just like, yeah, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's nuts. I don't know, I'm having so much fun.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Reminded me of ms your Oski when he's like that.
I don't know what I'm doing. I just throwing harder
I can.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I love it. So yeah, Tray Savage cheers, Bud cheers, ftfam.
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
What do you make of the multiple Blue Jays running mistakes.
I gotta be honest, guys, I feel bad. It's you know,
it's crazy. So I want to start answering this question
like this. The craziest part about this is we like
Jeff Hoffman isn't getting I mean, yes, he's getting plenty
(10:50):
of ire right, people like Hoffman whatever. But like I
thought it would just be like God, Jeff Hoffman, like
everyone would just like focus on him, but we are
so focused on we are focused on the base running
mistake of Barger the like, even though we're calling it
a mistake, when he's he would tie the game if
that ball drops in.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He wants to be able to tie the game.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So he got deeped a little bit, and yeah he
got caught out, but being aggressive there was like he
needed to shade aggressive which had worked for them and
taking extra base and all that kind of stuff, So
he was just being overly aggressive. A great play was
made and then the pick by maybe a row is ridiculous.
The play but made on the back end was also incredible,
(11:35):
so you got to give credit what credit is due there.
But yes, he k got him a little bit because
he caught it a little more easy than Bargarr thoughts,
So that was a mistake. And then the IKF thing
him being conservative there is what you're supposed to do
he was just too conservative. His lead was too short.
He needs a short lead. He needed to take at
least another big step. He was safe with that. The
(11:56):
people are saying, just run standing up through the base.
That'll no one's ever gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That's just not what you're taught to do.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That is that is a mistake ninety five percent of
the time, especially if like you missed the bag, you
slide on the bag, you hurt yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's the big thing too. You slide on the bag.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You stepped right on plate and you slide and you
tear your knee up, like it's.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Not worth it at that point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So I'm sure he would have been probably safe in hindsight,
but he being conservative there as Whitmyorfield and many many, many,
many many great baserunners n EX players have said was
the correct approach because getting getting doubled up there. If
he got doubled up again after it just happened the
night before, imagine how the fans.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Would be acting now.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
At least He's like, if I get thrown out at home,
we still have another.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Chance to score a run, because there's only one out.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I cannot get doubled up, and I understand that that said,
he still had a little bit more room, which would
have made it moot. And I understand being too conservative
to that point is not what you guys want to see.
But again, hindsight, what is it twenty So that's I
think that's what's it like being in an eighteen inning game.
(13:15):
We win, Yet that's how it's like, it's it's crazy,
it's it's so much so I've watched one and I've
been in two, or like I think I'm sixteen in
eighteen in game in my life, when you haven't pitched,
staying ready to pitch, it's like the most draining mental thing,
(13:37):
Like you're just like.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Every inning, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You want to be one of the guys that is
the leverage guy at the beginning, that's what you want,
so it's very hard. And then once you've pitched, like, okay,
come on, we saw this with the Mariners, like the
look on their face.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm like, which team is going to be? Like, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
How this ends at this point, I just needed to
be over who's gonna who's gonna break? Because the commentator
is fully broken, and uh, I know there's critiques of
Buck and Uh and Smoltzy, but guys, imagining two people
in a room that have to talk about the same
two teams for six straight hours, you'd be making stuff up.
And also you need to put some respect on the
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players in.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That in that game's names. Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That was the Will Clein versus Eric Lauer game and
very impressive stuff out of those two guys. Andy Moto
was gonna come in that one too. This playoffs was crazy,
good man.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I love it. Mmmm. Can you get some kudos form
Will will Power Clin? Yes, congratulation? Will you deserve that?
World cheers? Ring.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, someone made a great point, Questley did and I'm
gonna hit it real quick. Uh, what if on the
IKF play is kind of silly because Migi rowe also
kind of kind of bubbled the ball, But what if
what if Miggy Miguel rojas Is feel did it cleanly
and through it? It would have been close? Like what
if he also didn't bobble it? I understand that like
that made him I can't have more chance, but he couldn't.
(15:09):
He just did the best. He did the best thing
he could with the information he had at the time,
and that's all you can ask. And I know that sucks,
so I and I think that most people know that.
And you're what's happening is you're grieving, And I get it.
I twelve year old me was in my body just
watching the Mariners blow it. Man, I got like they
(15:30):
did blow it. It got blown. And I've been in
that situation and I blew that game like you don't
want to blow it, but blowing it is what happens.
And I that part of me is like, eugh, grieving.
People are grieving and this is one of those things.
Is such a strong, it's such a good playoffs such
a long time that grief is the right word for it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So but man, the Blue Jays was so good.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think they were overall better, a better team, but
the Dodgers experience took over.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Why has bunting not done much? Especially in the playoffs
when bats go cold easily? I would argue that bunting
is more common.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now than it used to be. But I think that
we're gonna see more and more of that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Usually it's because of roster construction and the guys on
in the roster. Like every it's a it's a balance
between Yeah, bats go cold, but big swings are very
important also, so you want more guys taking that have
the opportunity to make a big swing taking swings.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So like it's a one of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Like, yeah, we can't really hit, but we do have
a bunch of guys that could go deep at any moment. Like,
I think you need a little bit more bunting though,
well Jays did a lot though. What happened to the
old fashion high chopper? It's time terrible, that's why. But
(16:58):
we have we have I think over the game is
over efficient. We've gone too much in the efficiency side,
so crazy stuff can't happen, which does define baseball a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So I'm so.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Glad the better team didn't win, Trev, I have terrible
news for you. That's actually baseball. The better team doesn't
win like a lot. Sorry, the Blue Jays were the
(17:34):
better team. They also lost sixty eight regular season games,
and they were the better team more than sixty eight times, see.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What I mean. Like, it's just.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's kind of what baseball is like, That's why you
can't buy championships. What's your take on the better World
Series performance? Yama or Bumgardner, ooh, that's interesting. I'm gonna
go Yama only because he didn't start game one, so
like his it's crazy just just because because he didn't
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start game one, and he did it against a more
potent offense, but just barely. The mad Bum stuff was crazy. Also,
I think mad Bum could have thrown like ten more innings,
so like he just ran out of innings had they
gone into had they gone to into the fifteenth, he
still would have been pitching. So but those two, for
me are two of the greatest, the greatest probably performances,
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you know, pry the ball out of my dick hold
dead fingers kind of like just gutsy performances in the
history of the Major leagues. Better team doesn't blow Game
six and seven at home. It depends on what you
mean by better, right, are we gonna go by like
the team that won is better or not? Or is
that oversimplified? This is crazy that we're having this this
(18:56):
semantic conversations. By the way, they got they just got
beaten Game six. They didn't blow that one. They got
they just got beatn that one. But they did blow
the last one, the last one they blew. So all right, Uh,
do you think that the Mariners won Game seven, we
get a better, worse World Series worse. I think that
the Mariners had the same issues as the Dodgers, but
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they just weren't as good. I think I think it
would have been more of a Brewer situation. I think
they would have just warned them out and it would
have been like a bunch of four to one, three, one, three,
two games. I just, I just I think the Blue
Jays had the best chance to win the World Series.
Do the Dodgers repeat next year? I don't think so.
They're getting older and it became really apparent. And also
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they just went seven games World Series and back. Here's
another thing about baseball winning the World Series. When you
win the World Series, you've been playing baseball for eight
and a half months.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You only have three and a half months to rest.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So the older you get, the more like these nagging
things don't get resolved in the offseason, and then you
lose guys in the play in the regular season and
you have to have young guys come up and fill
in for them.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Who those gun guys are for the Dodgers, but like
the era of Freddie and Mookie and these guys being
like the core core core, that's gonna start loosening up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're gonna have to get reinforcements. But we'll see, we'll see.
They could.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Of course they could. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, Ernie Clemett,
I want to talk about Ernie Clemett. Ernie Clemet set
the record for the most hits in the playoffs in
with thirty, which is incredible, and he was wont dude
had that ball that PA has stiff armed keik Aarnandaz
into the ground for landed, Ernie Clemett would have been
the MVP and Yama would have been not the MV
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because he gave up the game when he hit. Isn't
that crazy? Like that was the difference that was. It
was like no pacatta to you. You win like that's crazy,
which is sick, Like that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Isn't that awesome? But Ernie Clemett was MI MVP. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Barger not too far, dude, Adison Barger was a problem.
He was like he was so clutch. Both of their
swings were so dialed and they were hitting stuff. What
do you think they're doing out there?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know. It was crazy. It was amazing. It
was amazing. But yeah, I can't say enough. He set
himself up.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It'd be interesting to see what him and arger do
next year and how big of a role they play.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But like Ernie Clement gave me, he.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Gave me big ben Zobras vibes, big Benzobra slides, and
he looked like he was having so much fun.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I was really riding with him, I really was. It
was weird because I was like, obviously I'm not like, oh, yeah,
go Dodgers, but I'm also there's this little part of me.
It's like blue Jay's mad at you, and I have
this thing with Springer because he got me a few
times and he's just tough and so like. And the
people who work with me in the office here are
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Marinas fans, so like. They took it hard. So it's
really hard to root for the Blue Jays, even though
there's ill he's lean towards. They have not won a
World ties and thirty plus years. It's Canada. I like Canadians,
and the Canadians are awesome. They're a great, great fan base,
great place to play, and it's different and we haven't
seen it in a while.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It would be more fun to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And also, like, I want to see a team that
is like, okay, fine, we'll sign our superstar.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And then they win the world tiers immediately. I want that.
I want that more.
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Speaker 1 (23:24):
How about the Miggi Rojas Homer? He is pesky and
I struggled to face that guy. I got to give
the typicaut to him with the defensive plays and coming
up big. That is the first time anyone has hit
a game tying home run in the ninth inning ever,
Nuts nuts, so Meggi row and then homegrown talent Will
(23:49):
Smith taking it home baby.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Nuts? Remember when show he had Tony got walked five
straight times? Me too? Me too? Does Bo sign with
the Rays? With the Jays?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't think so. I think I'm just him and
as is now their shortstop. But Bo Baschett better get
paid paid just it depends on where he plays. Man,
He's just not a very good shortstop. I think he's
a great player. I love watching that guy play. He
can hit, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can he hit.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But it's it's it's it's there are stretches where it is.
It is god awful short So uh Biaber signed, Biaber
accepted his option.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, we talked about that earlier, which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Do you think they were overlooking looking Rojas for who
was coming up after?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Absolutely absolutely? Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay? So I have another one.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Let's get the bottom one there, duffy, and then all
we'll do a couple more and then.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Then I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What about him and Az trying to get hit on
the hand and then complaining about getting hit.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that was interesting. That was that was interesting. I
was so confused.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I was like, I think this is just a let's
get some energy out here boys kind of situation. Him
and as like, you're gonna get on base any way
you can.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's up and in. You kind of threw his hand
out in slow mot It looks way worse than it
was in real and full speed. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
But then he actually gets hit and then he's like, dude,
you just did it twice.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He threw it twice, Like what?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Basically he was like, I think he was getting defensive
about that thing that he kind of knew he did.
And honestly, I don't blame like this being a natural
reaction because I gotta get on. I have to get
on right here, like him kind of doing that and like,
hope that didn't look too bad, and then him getting
hit and.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
He's like he's like what what did he hit me?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Because you think I'm trying to get hit And then
and then he's like, no, man, why would I hit
you on purpose? I'm left handed, I throw ninety seven
and up on deck as springer.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Why would I hit you? So like they were He's like, what, man,
are you trying to hit me? Because I tried to
get in a way that one.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He's like, no, that was an The first one was
an accident. And then I made the same mistake, and
so they were both like, oh, okay, all right. It
was just it was just funny because I was like,
I think he's getting a defensive he's getting proactively defensive
by the first pitch, and the other guy's like, oh,
I would I hit you?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And I'm like, why would he hit you? That doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And then he turned into like, but I'm gonna get
pastor you because we got to come back here. Like
sometimes you gotta fire up the boys, that's what turn
to do. But at the end of the day, I
was that out outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I was like, this is unnecessary.
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