MC Fireside Chats - February 26th, 2025

The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, kicked off with the usual banter between recurring guests Greg Emmert and Angele Miller, setting a lighthearted tone before diving into deeper discussions about the RV industry, outdoor recreation, and emerging trends in travel and accommodations. With key players from the RV industry unavailable due to board meetings, the conversation took a broader focus on innovative housing solutions and the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. Angele Miller highlighted the growing demand for wellness tourism, emphasizing how nature-based experiences like meditation, yoga, and Nordic-style wellness treatments are attracting more visitors. She pointed out that people are increasingly looking for ways to integrate nature into their well-being, whether through forest bathing, herbal tea rituals, or simply unplugging in scenic environments. This shift aligns with broader travel trends where guests seek holistic experiences rather than just a place to stay. The discussion expanded into economic factors affecting the industry, particularly cross-border travel. Brian and Angele touched on the decline in Canadian travelers heading to the U.S. due to the weak Canadian dollar and political factors, with more locals opting for domestic vacations instead. This has resulted in an uptick in Canadian campground reservations, highlighting the economic shifts that are reshaping travel habits. Brent Fullerton, general manager of Carefree RV, provided insights into customer service strategies that are refining RV sales and rentals. He discussed the industry’s need to improve the service experience, especially given labor shortages and the challenge of keeping up with seasonal demand. Brent emphasized that while the RV industry has traditionally been laid-back, the current economic climate requires a more proactive approach to customer service, faster response times, and greater efficiency in handling repairs and parts shortages. He also noted the importance of adapting to changing consumer expectations, particularly in an era where customers demand high-quality service and instant solutions. Arthur Jason, CEO of AC Future, introduced his company’s AI-powered transformer homes, which were recently showcased at CES 2025. These modular, off-grid living spaces use artificial intelligence to optimize energy use, harvest water from the air, and create a self-sustaining environment. Arthur explained how these units offer a high-end, flexible alternative to traditional housing and could redefine the concept of mobile living. He also touched on their potential application for glamping, RV parks, and sustainable outdoor accommodations, making them an attractive option for operators looking to enhance guest experiences with cutting-edge technology. Greg Emmert and Brian explored the broader implications of AI-driven housing and its role in shaping the future of outdoor travel. They discussed the potential for these homes to be integrated into themed glamping resorts, offering curated experiences that cater to specific demographics. From a Mars-themed desert retreat to a high-tech forest getaway, these modular homes could provide a unique alternative to traditional cabins and yurts, pushing the boundaries of outdoor hospitality. The conversation also touched on the larger societal shifts toward automation and AI, with Brian speculating on the impact of robotic assistants in everyday life. He noted that fully functional humanoid robots could be available within the next few years for as little as $20,000 to $30,000, potentially transforming domestic life and further influencing travel habits. The panel debated whether these advancements would lead to greater mobility, with people embracing flexible, technology-driven living spaces instead of traditional homes. As the episode wrapped up, each guest reflected on the opportunities and challenges ahead. Arthur reiterated his commitment to bringing AC

Episode Transcript

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Welcome, everybody, to anotherepisode of MC Fireside Chats. I don't
know if you guys saw at theend of that intro there. There was
a scene where the. It got realquiet and the campfire was there.
Right. And you saw like thelake underneath the dock. That's
where Greg's laptop fell into.And that's why he has to reboot it
every time before he joins the show.
The question is, am I. Am Ilagging? No. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

(00:24):
It's just not started.
But it literally lag everyweek, man. Just like spring. Talk
to the wife, get a new laptop.It's time.
I have full control of thepurse strings for laptop purchases.
It's right here. It's next tome. It's just, you know, I don't.
It's not in use. Did you. Ishould use. It is.
What are you using? That'slagging. You're actually on a desktop

(00:46):
that's lagging.
No, same. Same old laptop. Ican't throw things away, man. My
laptop is probably. It's likenine years old. It still works great.
Except for this.
Maybe have a conversation withyour partner who's more forward thinking.
A camp strategy up on the Times.
I can't think of anyone elsein camp strategy that's more forward
thinking than me, so.
Well, I. Yeah, well, we'llsave that conversation for a different

(01:09):
show maybe.
Indeed.
But super excited to be herefor another episode of MC Fireside
Chats. This is our firstfourth week episode. We're focused
on, you know, the RV industry,outdoor rec activities, things like
that. We have our tworecurring guests here with us, angel
and Greg. Nobody from the RVindustry could join us. I think they're
all in board meetings ordidn't like what I talked about last

(01:29):
time on the show. One of thetwo or maybe a combination of both?
No, it's probably boardmeetings, but. And then super excited
to have a couple specialguests here. Arthur Jason, COO of
Is it AC Future. Am Ipronouncing that correctly?
Yes, Brian, thank you.
Okay.
Yes.
Cool.
AC Future is here. He's goingto talk about his cool AI Transformer

(01:50):
homes. That sounds. Wait,like, hopefully it's a bumblebee
thing. That's what I'm reallypicturing in my head, like, from.
But maybe I'll bedisappointed. I don't know. I'm setting
the bar high for you. I'msorry, Arthur. And then Brent Fullerton,
the general manager ofCarefree rv, to discuss customer
experience strategies that arerefining RV sales and rentals. So
welcome, everybody. Just Ikind of want to first turn it, as

(02:11):
we always do, to our recurringguests, angel and Greg. Is there
anything that's come acrossyour desk in the last month or so
since we've all been togetheron the show that you feel like we
should talk about?
Angele, please take it away.
Yeah, I mean, like, for me,nothing specific, like, came on my
desk. You know, since the lastmonths, what I've seen and I see

(02:34):
being more in demand and ofinterest is also the wellness tourism,
how that's growing and reallyincreasing that type of experiences,
touching the wellness innature. So that could be very interesting
as well to. To talk about, for sure.
Okay, so tell me what's onyour mind, like, with wellness.

(02:55):
Yeah. So when it talks towellness, there's many aspects that
can touch that. Like, for whenI think about it, like, personally,
it could just be like, youknow, people coming and spending
more time in nature eaterdebts, just taking nature walks or
hiking. But it also could betaking it to a whole other level
when it comes to meditating oryoga experience in nature. That type

(03:18):
of wellness, even, like, interms of forest baiting, you hear
that a lot more that termtoday. And also like the Nordic type
of experiences in nature,either even if it's just cold plunge,
like the cold plunging isgetting very popular, or the sauna
are a combination of it all.You know, I think really, wellness
will touch a lot of that, evenif it's just part of an experience

(03:42):
where you're in nature andcombined with that, you have the
herbal tea experience. Youknow, there's many ways that you
can combine that, but I knowthat from hearing and talking to
people, that's a huge, growingsegment. There's a big demand for
that, and it's veryinteresting. And it really diversifies
from so many different anglesor capacities.

(04:05):
Yeah. And nature is one of thebiggest coping mechanisms we have.
Like, I think there's more.There are some people who will instantly
admit that. There are otherpeople who will consider that, and
there are people who will say,no, no, nature is not for me. But
ultimately, like, I thinkhuman nature, I guess, is that nature
is one of our best copingmechanisms. There are certainly others,
like for Canadians booing atthe US national anthem, controversial

(04:27):
topics, maybe we don't want toget into, but maybe it's better to
go take a hike, you know, andexperience nature. We were gonna,
Greg and I, you and I weregoing back and forth in email with
Scott about that, and I don'twant to get into this conversation,
but because we'll Talk aboutit later on. Outwired, but about
the economy and how people arehunkering down and as kind of a result
of perhaps a series ofnegative things that have happened

(04:49):
with the economy and dependingon your politics and whatever else
they. The data appears to beshowing that they're hunkering down
more instead of getting outinto nature when they should be getting
out into nature, like now morethan ever. Right, that's.
And that's interestingbecause, you know, anecdotally, I
don't see that I'm, I amadmittedly I'm a nerd. I love to
get out and geek out on plantsand bugs and birds and all that stuff.

(05:13):
Really, I did not know that about.
You may have known that aboutme. I advertise it quite a bit. My
circles, that's what I seepeople doing and that's in my brain.
It's like what. It doesn'tcompute right. If you. So times are
tight, maybe the economy ischaotic. You don't know what costs
are going to do or what themarkets are going to do, what your
401k is going to do. But youknow, you own a pair of shoes and

(05:35):
it costs you zero to go outand get on a trail except maybe some
gas to drive down to your.
And calories. Let's not forget calories.
And calories. Let's face it. Idon't know anybody that doesn't have
a general surplus of those togive out. I mean there, there are
certainly folks out there thatdon't. But in my circles, there's
plenty of us with a surplus ofcalories to give out. So yeah, I,

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as Angel said, I see thatstuff as, as rising. So I think it's
kind of interesting that theremight be data out there that points
to something different.
Well, I think it's both.Right. Like I would wager to vet
venture, it's both. I thinkthat because of the economic situ,
like whatever the situationis. Right. That's just not like we're
not going to talk about that.But whatever the hardship is that
people are going through, thatappears to be in larger excess now

(06:20):
than it has been in the past.I think there are a lot more people
who default to nature, who areout in nature more. And so those
numbers are up. But I thinkoverall as a population perhaps is
what maybe Scott has data on. So.
Yeah, and that makes sensebecause a lot of people won't lean
into it. You know, they'reafraid of the spider or the snake

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or the bear or the skunk orwhatever. It might be when they do
give it a chance. I don't knowanyone that doesn't find it rewarding.
I really don't. I torqued my,tweaked my park to lean towards conservation
and as you know, and had a lotof my activities that way. And I
found it interesting becausethe people that would jump on their
picnic table and scream whenthey saw a dime sized spider were

(07:00):
the ones that were right nextto me when we were in the field looking
at them in my hand. It was inmy hand, not their hand. Right. I
gave them a safe way toexplore it at a distance and learn
about it. And education is thekey to all of that. You know, you
go out a few times, you learnthat nothing's going to eat you or
bite you. At least nothingsevere. Some mosquitoes are going
to bite you, maybe a flyer Itake every once in a while. But you're

(07:22):
going to be fine. You go home,you brush it off and you go right
back out. And like you said, Ireally, I just, it is a coping mechanism.
It is therapy.
Yeah.
Hopefully more and more peopleare getting out. Although as I say
that, I also complain aboutseeing large groups of people on
the trail when I want to bealone. So I'm one of those people.
So I'd love to hear youbecause you brought it up briefly

(07:43):
and I know, and obviously Iwant to get to our special guests
in a second. I don't mean toleave you guys hanging or just having
a kind of an impromptuconversation here, but you're more
than welcome to jump into itif you want. By all means, if you
have something to add. Angel,I'm curious for people who are wanting
to get out in nature more andyou're not allowed to sell yourself
right here. Right. Althoughyou should, but you won't. Not for

(08:06):
those who just want to get outin nature. Where's the best place,
do you think for them tostart? Is my first question. And
then my second question isrelated to. Well, let you answer
that and then I'll divert youin a different direction.
Sure, yeah, no, that soundsgood. And before I answer that, Greg,
I just want to mention thatwhen you're talking about bugs and
you love to play with bugs, itmakes me laugh because we actually

(08:27):
have some guests that come towhere we are and you're in nature.
Right.
And we have some calls andpeople will say, oh, there's a bug
here, you know, and it's like,yeah, you can expect some bugs because
you're in nature, but it'sHilarious. It made me think about
that when you said that. But,yeah, for me, Brian, like, when it
talks about what's the bestplace to start, I would say it's

(08:50):
just to really, you know,either you even just go to a park,
like, anywhere, either it's inyour city, outside the city, anywhere,
just go in the park and justgo out to. Even just breathing the
fresh air right away bringsyou to that place. You know, that
I think people are reallyseeking and they don't realize that
it's as easy as that or assimple as that is, really just go

(09:14):
to a park or go in a nicetrail outside and just breathe the
fresh air. Because mostpeople, when they go for a walk,
they come back, they're like,oh, my God, I feel so good. I feel
much better. I feel relaxed. Ifeel I can think clear. So I always
tell people just doing thatalready brings you to that experience.
So that's kind of what I wouldhave to say is really just go there

(09:36):
and either it's for a walk orjust even stand there and observe
nature, look at the trees,hear the birds, you know, in that
peaceful setting as well, canmake a huge difference.
Yeah. I mean, try it. And. Andif it doesn't work for you the first
time, try it again. There'salways a small chance that a wild
turkey will chase you andit'll be a horrible experience, but

(09:57):
if that happens, give it asecond shot. I feel like it's probably
not going to happen too manytimes in a row. So, angel, my other
question to you is justbriefly economic, because this came
up in some of the Facebookgroups that I was having conversations
with, mostly here. I thinkthere's like 4,000 members. There
are some Canadians in there. Ifeel like it's mostly Americans,
but there were a lot of peopletalking about the decline in people

(10:20):
coming across the border fromCanada to the United States to make
advanced reservations for the2025 camping season. And there's
obviously speculation in mymind there are two things causing
that. The weak Canadian dollarAnd obviously what Mr. Trump is doing
to Canada. Whether you agreewith it or not, I disagree with it.
But to each their own.Whatever you want to do. But I'm

(10:42):
curious, your specificquestion, angel, is have you seen
an uptick in locals makingreservations as a result of that?
Yeah, I have for sure. We havereceived, like, a lot of local, not
to say that we've receivedalso cancellations, let's say, from
Americans, but I would saycurrently off season, like in this

(11:03):
type of season, that we're inright now. We get a lot more local
market or Canadians. But we'vedefinitely seen the increase. Very
busy in an off season timeright now. So I think a lot of people,
we've had some guests thatspecifically mentioned that they
had canceled their bookings,you know, to go to, let's say America

(11:23):
to stay more local. So we'veseen some impact for sure ourselves
in some capacities.
Yeah, I'm glad it's uptickedfor you. I mean, I don't. Again,
I don't want to get into thisconversation. I want to get to Arthur
and Bren in two seconds here.But I just, I feel like I need to
say even though this is notthe outwired show where we're blunt,
like you're going into aneconomy where it's not going to be

(11:46):
as easy to attract people, youneed to pay attention to all the
people you can. So I feel likeit's self defeating if you're going
to get into a group and laughat the fact that Canadians aren't
coming and dismiss the factthat Canadians don't spend money
in your economy. I'm anAmerican, I moved up here, I'm not
a Canadian. But like it'sbasic economics. Why would you not

(12:07):
want more people in your park?So just to put that out into the
world and have like two orthree people turn off the show. Sorry,
Arthur and Brent, for thosetwo, three people who won't be watching
you now, but let's dive in.Brent, I want to start with you if
you don't mind. Just becausewe're talking about things like customer
experiences and that goes intoobviously, you know, nature and all

(12:28):
this stuff too. But specificto RV sales and rentals, we have
seen anecdotal evidence andobviously you probably know this
better than me, so pleasecorrect me with data that you actually
have. But I think we'vediscussed on our show outwired and
on the show before, likeattendance at RV shows in general
appears to be up this. Well,maybe not up but like definitely

(12:49):
not down from last year. Isthat what you're hearing?
Yes. Locally in Alberta, both,I mean you're in Calgary, I'm in
Edmonton. Both of our showswere, you know, had a mild increase
year over year with, withattendance and we don't have all
the sales numbers yet. But Imean I think everybody's reporting.
A, you know, positive conversations.
Yeah, positive. Yeah, yeah.
Which I think points to. Idon't know if I want to say that

(13:13):
it points to a strongindustry, but I think it points to
a not declining industry isthat I would.
I would agree. And echo that.It certainly feels that way. I mean,
obviously, you know, we'revery early. We were just barely above
zero, and there's three feetof snow on the ground here right
now. So it's probably prettyearly to make any wild predictions.
But it's like spring for us, man.

(13:36):
It is. Is.
It's.
There is you guys outside inshorts right now?
I should be. I should do.Yeah. So my question then is, how
do you take that? Like,they're obviously, whether we're
flat or whatever, we're notexperiencing the booming years that
we did coming out of COVID orright after Covid. So just like we're

(13:57):
going through campgroundswhere we talked about, you want all
the Canadians coming down, youwant all the people. You need to
do your marketing differently.We've had these conversations in
the past. Right. Expand yourreach to car camping. You know, just
welcome who you can within theconstraints of your rules and still
making sure that your parklooks nice. The same thing goes to
RVs in that. And I guess Ishould finish my thoughts. Sorry.

(14:20):
For campgrounds, like, the wayto do that, in addition to your marketing,
is to provide an experiencethat no one else is offering. So
when you look at the customerexperience of someone purchasing
an rv, no matter what size itis, you know, whether it's a class
A or class C or somethingelse. Right. Van, how do you as an

(14:42):
industry focus on or as yourdealer? Right, Sorry. The RV industry
is not my, like, 100% strongsuit, like Cam Grant says. But you
are care for your dealership, right?
Yes.
And so how do you focus onkind of maximizing that customer
experience at your dealershipto, I guess, maybe I want to say,

(15:02):
convert higher.
So to basically, you know,kind of repeat the same comment.
You were just talking aboutattracting tourism in the U.S. as
an RV dealer, we have to focuson every avenue. We have to attract
more customers throughproduct, through marketing, through

(15:22):
pricing, through our responsetime, and our ability to serve the
clients fast. Generallyspeaking, not to sum it down to,
you know, just a few words,but we really have to try harder
in these times if we want toget the same result that we've traditionally
gotten.
And so what I guess is, iswhat I'm trying to ask is, what does
try harder mean for a typicalRV dealer?

(15:45):
So, RV dealers, right now, Ithink one of our biggest pain points,
of course, is the, you know,the ability to service customers,
RVs, and, you know, turnaroundRVs during season with the Seasonality
and the climate that weoperate in here. Most of our clientele
won't pull their units out ofstorage until April or May, but they
want to use theminstantaneous. And so we have businesses

(16:10):
that have enough staff tooperate when we're at about 60 or
70% of our peak because we ebband flow so much throughout the season,
not having enough staff to beable to support the client demand
during the busy season. Wehave to find ways to have our techs

(16:30):
work longer, have our textwork faster, get parts quicker, find
ways to remedy, you know,immediate problems so consumers can
use their product, essentiallytry to look for solutions so that
consumers can use their RV asmuch as possible and that any downtime
is kind of mitigated and weschedule any big repairs for fall

(16:53):
is the essential. I guess thething that I feel everyone is chasing
in our industry right now withthe major labor shortage and just
a general soft economy thatdoesn't allow dealers to be at probably
full strength and full staffof what they would have been during
a booming economy.
Is it fair to say that. Andthere are many things you can control

(17:13):
as a business owner, you know,a person who runs a dealership or
any business. But is it fairto say that two of the major things
that you can control from acustomer experience standpoint are
not the rigs themselves?Because obviously you don't make
them and you don't decide theunique feature. Like obviously you
decide what inventory tocarry. Right. But you can't really

(17:34):
control the customerexperience of those rigs themselves.
So is it fair to say that thetwo things you can primarily control
are the customer experience atyour dealership from a potential
purchaser perspective and thecustomer experience at the service
department?
Correct. That's okay.

(17:54):
So how do, and maybe you'venever thought about this, maybe you
have. I'm sure you've thoughtabout it. But how do you improve
as a dealership? The customerservice experience at your dealership
to help you stand apart fromother dealerships, Just like broad
advice, not what you, I mean,you can share that, right? I'm not
asking for your secrets.

(18:17):
Generally speaking, the RVindustry, probably in general, I,
or certainly my, my, my viewof it. I'm only five years into the,
into the industry, but my viewis that the RV industry has traditionally
been very laid back and notultra professional. And one of the
things that we've reallyfocused on was ensuring that we try
to duplicate the sameexperience every time for the consumers.

(18:39):
We try to ensure that all thestaff are trained. We try to Ensure
that we're, our response timesand, and anything we can do to speed
up an interaction with acustomer, whether it's get back to
them quicker online or if it'sa online inquiry, try to respond
in under two minutes. If thecustomer's in the showroom, that
a customer's never, you know,they're never waiting, whether that's
to take a tour of a unit,whether it's waiting to speak to

(19:02):
someone at the servicecounter, whether, whatever that would
be, but trying to remove kindof the, the, yeah, the friction but
more so just the laid backnature that the RV industry has traditionally
had.
I guess I'm trying just comingfrom an outsider of somebody who's
not in the RV industry everyday like you are, what do you mean

(19:24):
when you say laid back? Whatis the problem that you see that
needed to be solved?
A tremendous amount of RVdealers even, and you know, this
may be a perspective strictlyfrom an extreme northern climate
and in, in Canada where wedon't, we probably don't have the
volume that a lot of theAmerican dealers would have.
You don't have to sugarcoatthings for the Americans. We're not

(19:46):
friends like we used to be, apparently.
Fair enough, fair enough. Butit wouldn't be.
I love you, Arthur.
It wouldn't be uncommon in ourpart of, in our part of the world
for RV dealers to be, youknow, to be seasonal and close their
doors for months at a time orlay off majority of their staff to
the point where they can't,they can't service RVs year round
and you know, essentially thebusiness wouldn't be operating anywhere

(20:08):
near optimal and it would youultimately the business would be
doing enough that they wouldmake some money, but it wasn't really
there to serve the customer.And in today's economy, in today's
fast paced world, it really isall about servicing the customer,
making sure the client can,like I mentioned before, use the
product and you know, try todo it without delays, without friction

(20:31):
and try to offer them just theabsolute best experience you can.
Is that a consequence ofsuccess though? And what I mean by
that is, and I think maybeyou'll agree, Greg, if you want to
touch on this briefly, like Ithink what we've seen down here is
campgrounds who don'tnecessarily want to run bad operations
but haven't had to think aboutrunning excellent operations and

(20:53):
have just run good operationsbecause they haven't had to run excellent
operations because of since2011. Economy up, interest rates,
low free money, social media,Covid boom Whatever else. Right.
And now I think that'schanged. And so is that the same,
do you feel, in the RVindustry, like, whether. I don't

(21:14):
think that anybody. I mean,there's probably one guy somewhere.
I don't want to pick a state,but maybe Texas. Who is intentionally
running a bad business. I'mjust kidding. Texas. But I think
most people probably aretrying to run good businesses, good
dealerships. Is that. Do youthink that's just a consequence of
the success? And they haven'thad to do that, and now they're having

(21:36):
to learn it.
Are you asking me or Brent?You're asking Brent about RVs?
Yeah, Brent. Yeah, about our.
Yes, first.
Yeah. And then if you sign. Ifyou want to echo game grounds.
But yes, I believe. I believethat that's a, you know, just kind
of a consequence of. As yousaid, a consequence of. Of the times
and of. Of the industry that.You know, I don't think this is specific

(21:57):
to the RV industry or camp.
No.
Campgrounds. I think this isjust. I think this is what is changing.
Retail and. Or every businessout there.
Yeah, it's getting. I mean,it's getting more competitive is
what it is. Because there areless customers or. Well, yeah, as
a consequence, there are lesscustomers because they're more spread

(22:18):
out. Whether they're buyingless or not. There are more places
for them to buy from.
Correct. Availability of.Availability of online options, you
know, from your cell phonewhile you're camping. Right. I mean,
someone can literally becamping, looking at. Replacing their
camper or the fridge in theircamper, and they could be shopping
me or Amazon for the parts.

(22:38):
Yeah.
From anywhere.
It's a good point. And thenwhat do you think? Last question.
Well, Greg, do you want totouch on campgrounds? I guess.
Sorry, no, I mean, I thinkit's. I think Brent covered it, and
everything he covered thereabout the RV industry pretty much
applies to the campgroundindustry and quite frankly to, as
he said, almost everyindustry. Because a lot of that is

(22:59):
just. It's just playing intohuman nature. We get comfortable,
we start to think we knowthings. And as soon as you think
you know something, whatyou've actually done is just developed
yourself a nice blind spot forwhat's coming, what you're not ready
for, what you're not thinkingabout. And the old axiom, right.
You don't know what you don'tknow. If. If you're not thinking
about not knowing what youdon't know, you're. You're potentially

(23:22):
setting yourself up for somereal pain when the markets do change,
and that's what I think we'reseeing right now more than anything.
I think it just plays to human nature.
I mean, you don't know. Whatyou don't know is a good, perhaps
transition to Arthur, ourfriend in America, to talk about.
I'm also America. I'm. I mean,like, Arthur and I are. Arthur, I'm

(23:46):
with you down here.
Just so.
Just don't, you know, take iteasy on us, would you?
I mean, I don't know. You guysstarted. That's all I'm gonna say.
I'm not gonna talk about ithere. Arthur. I'm kidding. I have
no problem with America. MostCanadians don't have problems with
Americans. Arthur, tell usabout what we don't know, because

(24:07):
I think there's some veryinteresting things that we don't
know about. What could changewith accommodation, specifically,
and some really cool homesyou're building. Yes. Oh, Arthur
froze at the best time. Hecould freeze. You froze a little

(24:27):
bit, Arthur. So we'll back off you.
He's coming. He's coming.
Oh, there. He's coming. He'sback a little bit. Nope. All right,
he's gone. He'll be back. Wehave confidence in Arthur. He'll
be back. So, like, I think,Brent, I can't remember the other
question I was going to askyou. What are we leading into? Oh,

(24:49):
service, I think, is what Iwas going to ask you.
Yeah.
So how does that. So how doesthat also apply then to service?
How do you take someone'sservice experience? Is it the same
thing? Is it just the touchpoints? Is it the making sure they
don't wait too long in thelobby or whatever you call it at
a dealership? Is it, I don'tknow, providing the. What is the
magazine that we used to havein the doctor's office when we were

(25:11):
kids?
Highlights.
Yeah. Is it providing like ahighlights magazine for them to read
or, like, is there a deeperstrategy? Brent, go ahead. And then
we'll go back. Try to go backto Arthur. Sorry, Arthur, we just
lost you for a second.
I think on top of just, youknow, professionalism and promptness
in the store, I mean, itultimately comes down to people's.
People's biggest concern nowis their time, their downtime in

(25:34):
recreational stuff. I mean,you do. You do encounter people that
are very, you know, moneyconscious at this, in this type of
economy. But, you know, morethan anything else, it's really about
their time and their downtimeof their. Of their rv. And we probably
spend a lot of Time solvingproblems for consumers, that will
be a quicker solution thanwhat would have been the traditional

(25:56):
path to go through to get froma manufacturer or something to that
effect, you know, even to the,even to the point of ordering parts
from Amazon on a retail side,because the timeline from a manufacturer
might be so extreme, mostconsumers would probably be shocked
to find out that in today'sday and age from a manufacturer,
sometimes a dealer mightcontact the manufacturer every week

(26:19):
for a month to get an updateon a warranty claim. And you know,
obviously if it's December,the customer's not too worried about
it, but when it's May, that'sa pretty, a pretty sacred time for
the, for the customer in theircamper. And it's our job to find
these solutions to reduce thatdowntime more than anything else.
That's the most importantthing for them.
And we've talked about this onthe show before. Like there's obviously

(26:41):
the easiest way, you know,other than like, you. Again, you
have very little control overthe manufacturers and their response
time. But the easiest way toimprove that service is to hire really
good techs. Right. But Iunderstand that there's. Is there
a shortage of techs up herelike there has been in the US Service?
I, I don't even know if I cananswer that. That would be the solution
to it because of how short weare on tax. I, I've yet to find the.

(27:06):
I've yet to find the solutionI had.
Robots is a solution, butwe're not going to talk about that
in the show, no doubt.
Well, I had a, I had a memberof the RVDA of Canada board actually
tell me that there's less.There's a smaller amount of licensed
journeyman technician inCanada right now than there is dealerships.
So there's not even enoughlicensed technicians to have one

(27:28):
per store. So we feel blessedto have a few. But that must mean
that there's many stores outthere without any.
Is that because you're supercompetitive? Like you have like a
CIA type program where youinfiltrate other dealerships and
use subterfuge to convincethem to come work for you?
It's far from that. High tech.
Just because you're a goodemployer? One or the other, I'm figuring.

(27:50):
I mean, I would have gone withsubterfuge and the good employer,
but if you just want to takecredit for one, that's fine. Okay,
let's go. Sorry, let's go backto Arthur. Arthur, are you with us?
Thank you, guys. Sorry aboutthat. I am. Can you hear Me.
No, that's okay. Yes, we can.So tell us what we, what we don't
know.
Listen, what, what we didn'tknow actually was that there was

(28:13):
a housing crisis in Canada,for example. There were multiple
people who were challenged bydicks. Right. That there were needs
that being met in terms ofproviding easingly comfortable living

(28:36):
spaces. In general, when wekeep on developing technology, we
have used and continue to useand integrate for many other applications.
And when it comes to ourhomes, we continue to. Did you know,

(28:57):
hundreds of years ago. So nota house. We make a big distinction
between a house and a home.Right. But providing home spaces
that meet the high, highquality, high living space that people

(29:18):
can afford. And it can be inNew York City, it can be in Silicon
Valley. We are coming to youfrom Silicon Valley right now. We're
showing to investors and it isa home that actually transforms feet
to 400 square feet withamazing. And that's the first piece

(29:42):
in providing solutions. Wealso have a ADU static trailer that
we offer for very reasonableprices. I mean 98,000, 138,000 and
the full electric, what wecall regenerative unit, the drivable
unit, solar power, waterharvesting, fully off the grid, capable

(30:07):
for 298,000 selling likecrazy. We now have a good problem
where we need to startproducing and delivering those units.
And so I was chatting withBrent earlier that maybe we need
to talk and help us and inCanada. Canada, we love Canada. And

(30:36):
it has affordability index tobusiness plan that, that exists in
Canada. San Jose Barber.
Arthur, you're still kind ofbreaking up a little bit.

(30:58):
I don't know if you guys can.
Make it matter if it's just me.
Bad America, can you hear me?
Oh, it's not. We joke around.We. Everybody really loves everybody
still. It's just the narrativethat we're just talking about in

(31:20):
the media. We love everybody.
So let me see if.
Please continue. Sorry.
Okay. Yeah. So what we don'tknow is how much market space there
will be for the nexttransition. We see three steps in
our development for long termviability. And the first step is

(31:43):
where we are providingsolutions. For example, replacement
of the old RV kind of unitsfor RV parks where we provide better
living spaces, better quality,better pricing and. And then.
Restream and then check,choose that tab so we can see what
he's talking about. But keeptalking please, while she does that.

(32:13):
There we go. Now we can kindof see what these things look like.
Right? But go ahead, pleasecontinue. You're breaking up again.
Arthur. I'm sorry, we'retrying over here. If you. Maybe you
can move to a different spotor. I don't know. But we are looking

(32:35):
at your. At your ac, your ACfutures, AI transformer homes here.
You guys can see that on yourscreen, right, Greg?
Yep.
And everybody. These thingslook. I mean, again, they look really,
really cool. And I don't havea lot of background on them, but
they were showcased at CES2025. He was down there. And they're
kind of. You know, my notessay that they're redefining the concept
of smart living throughartificial intelligence, modular

(32:58):
adaptability, and sustainableinnovation. So what I'm guessing
here, and Arthur will correctme in a second when he gets back
to a good spot, is that we'relooking at, you know, and we've had
some of these people on theshow before who've talked about sustainability
of RVs and sustainability ofmodular homes. So I'm guessing he's
going to talk about some waysthey recycle water, conserve energy,
have battery, you know,storage and energy. Obviously, modular

(33:21):
adaptability. Right. But thenthings like artificial intelligence
that are managing differentpieces of the home. So, Arthur, are
you better now? Now I can'thear you at.

(33:43):
All.
Right, well, you just shot atus. If you can get it fixed. I still
can't hear you. But theselook, these are. These are just really
innovating to me. Like, if Ilook at all the different people.
Like, if you look, Greg, atall the different people who came
up from the RV industry alonethroughout, I think, as a consequence
of COVID we've had so manypeople on the show from these smaller
RV manufacturers who arecreating, you know, the vans and

(34:05):
the custom designs and the.The places that aren't in Elkhart
where the traditional RVs arebeing built. And the innovation that
came out of COVID I think, isone of the things that we've seen
that's been, you know, veryfew good things came as a result
of COVID but I think that wasone of them. Right. And so I think
this is still. Can't hear you,Arthur, but this is something. Just

(34:30):
maybe refresh and try to comeback in.
Might just be muted.
Is he muted? I don't know.
He might be. He's very clearand very clean now. It's coming through
really clean. I'm surprised wecan't hear him.
Yeah, I don't know. I wouldjust check your mute on your side,
but now, there we go. Now Ican hear you.
Okay. All right. Thank you.
Okay, you go ahead. Great.Tell us about these amazing cool

(34:53):
looking things, man, becausethey look cool. And I'm just doing
a terrible job selling for you.
You're doing a fantastic job.Thank you for covering. Yeah. What
you can see on the right sideis the, what we call the adu and
that's the, the base solutionfor people that have a problem with
affordability of housing, allthree units.

(35:15):
You just say like Lisa canclick on your website and do whatever
you want, so take you inside aunit or whatever else. Like.
Yeah, we, we can if, yeah, ifthat's a possibility.
Yes, just tell her where toclick. That's all she needs. Just
needs to know where to click.She can hear you.
That's the first one. Yes,let's go to the first one. Yeah,

(35:39):
yeah, that's the, the staticunit. No, no wheels. And it is a
solution for people who havespace like in California, Silicon
Valley and so on. Amazingliving spaces, very comfortable.
We talked to many people andthey wanted to break away from the,
the bad connotation thattrailer park has or an rv. Right.

(36:03):
And so we want to offer thisactually to outdoor parks and glamping
operations and the city. Sothis one is the base price unit at
98,000 again, 400 square feetelectric, totally off the grid indefinitely.

(36:24):
All the appliances areapartment type appliances. How is
it off the grid?
I'm curious, I just like forindefinitely, how is it off the grid?
It has a battery that managesthe baseline operation of the interior
of the home. And the energy isgenerated by way of solar panels

(36:46):
that generate 25 to 30kilowatt hours of energy. And it
has a water harvesting systemthat harvests water from air, depending
on humidity, 10 to 15 gallonsper day. It recycles water, separate
solids, and it recycles thewater for additional uses around

(37:11):
the unit. You can chargeother, for example, you can charge
a Tesla car from that orelectric motorcycles, electric bikes,
and all integrated through avery simple to use LLM that learns
really fast your habits andyou know, light noise. You want your

(37:36):
coffee to be started at 6am or7am we'll do that for you. So we're
trying to make it as easy andas comfortable as possible and as
affordable as possible. Again,our pricing has been even been criticized.
When we were in Las Vegas,people were saying, you know, you're

(37:57):
not being smart enough. Youguys should, you know, increase the
price of your units by up to ahundred thousand and you could still
sell them. But our numbers arevery good. And we think that the
original mission of providing,you know, home Solutions and affordable
buying in the long term isgoing to be a good thing. The, the

(38:21):
long game for us is to learnhow to make amazing living spaces
and actually go after the, thehome market because we want to transform
the view of a home, to me, ahome that, that doesn't move and
stay static in the face offires and floods and hurricanes.

(38:43):
It's not a very smart idea.
Unless you live in Canada, youhave no problems with any of those
three things. Well, we do havefires, but not this far.
Exactly. Yeah. And we realizedthat our solutions are not for everybody.
Right. We're trying to do whatwe can with springs, but from everything

(39:05):
that we stand for, what wewant to do is see how we can best
provide a solution for as manybuyers as possible. We've had buyers
that came and bought 100. Infact, the largest buyer that came
in bought 101 units. Right.And in one block. And we've been

(39:28):
in conversations with peopletalking about Airbnb where they say
that their growth plan is nowa challenge because they can't find
homes anymore. The idea ofdeveloping this repurposed or new
glamping high end areas wherepeople don't feel like they're living
in a less than kind of livingspace, it's all with good intentions.

(39:55):
I mean, we realize that we alldo what we can, when we can and where
we can, but we just want toprovide options. Right. For as many
people as we can.
I don't want to tell you howto run your business, but this might
impact the customerexperience. At a dealership.
It looks very impressive.

(40:16):
I mean, even if it gets themto buy any rig. Right. Like just
the idea of the walking intothis thing and just imagining something
different and obviously thatnot to slight RV interiors, there's
lots of really nice ones, butthis is different. Right?
Correct. And I do, I willcompliment how far they've gone into

(40:36):
the sort of, the eco livingportion of this is, you know, obviously
that's a hot topic with buyersthese days. And I, I do think there's
a, you know, huge portion ofthe market that is looking for something
that's more sustainable fortwo reasons. One, because they like
the long term environmentalimpact of it. And secondly, the,

(40:56):
the ease of not needingwhatever resources, whether that,
you know, is harvesting wateror you're generating your own electricity
and storing it in your ownbatteries. All of those things, you
know, solve problems for customers.
Yeah. And I would say I'm abig advocate of thinking differently.
Right. And if you look at,like, if you look at let's just.
I know there's divisive topicagain, right? But Tesla for now.

(41:19):
If you look at Tesla and therobo taxis that he's planning on
coming out with, supposedlytesting completely in June in Austin,
Texas in 2025, rolling themout quickly, like the idea behind
the robo taxis long term isnot just to provide a taxi service
that you use once in a while,like Uber. The idea long term with
robo taxis is you don't needto own a car. Why would you, like,

(41:41):
why would you own a car thatis so expensive, that costs so much
to maintain, that requires youto have insurance when it's parked
for eight to nine hours a dayat work and parked for eight to nine
hours a day while you sleepand is doing nothing for you when
you could just call a robotaxi. Because there will be literally
tens of thousands of these andso it won't be even waiting two minutes

(42:02):
for an Uber. It'll beintegrated with your calendar and
it'll come down the street andjust be there outside your door when
it knows you need to leave forwork, right? Why can't you reimagine
things like that for the home?Now I'm not going to give you the
fact that you've done thathere, Arthur, but you're definitely
taking a step toward it. Ithink of the reimagining piece of
it, right? Because like yousaid, like, why does a home have

(42:26):
to be a four story, 4,000square foot suburban, white picket
fence, backyard, front yardthing? Some people will want that.
I'm not suggesting they shouldchange their behaviors or preferences.
But if you open people'sperspective to new things, then sometimes

(42:47):
good and interesting thingshappen, right?
Yes, exactly. We're not thereyet. This is the very, very first
step that we're taking towardsgetting there. But we are looking
at that sharing element thatyou're talking about. I was very,

(43:07):
very fortunate to be part ofTesla, SpaceX, Boeing, NASA. And
yeah, you start withsomething, I mean test Tesla started
with a very different mission.And then when, when someone said,
well, if you're going after aself driving vehicle, then you will
need satellite signals. Andnow you belong to me because you
don't have satellites. Andthen someone says, I'll just make

(43:30):
my own satellites. And thenthey said, well now the rocket guys
own you because you don't haverockets to launch your satellites.
And then he says, I will justmake my own rocket. And now the game
is media, right? No one istaking serious the idea that the
car is selling aftermarket isbringing in a huge chunk of money

(43:54):
because it's becoming ashopping center, entertainment center,
traveling, mobility, media,and you're paying 30 bucks a month
or so for bundling thoseservices. And now it becomes a revenue
generating center. Right.
I mean, I feel like I have alittle bit of liberty, Greg, to talk
about AI on this show justbecause this is an AI transformer

(44:16):
homes guy. Right? But like ifyou extrapolate out where this is
going or where I think this isgoing right in, you know, when we
get through whatever roughpatch we're going through, if we
get into an era where work isoptional for a big significant portion
of the population, not whereeverybody gets laid off and they
want more. I'm talking aboutwhere work is truly optional, which

(44:38):
I think is maybe 15, 20 yearsaway, maybe sooner, where we don't
have to work to make a living,then that changes the game. Like
that completely reinvents notonly robo taxis, but like what do
you do with your time now? Youdon't have to be in a specific home
in a specific location to benear a commute for work, to go to

(44:58):
the same office Monday toFriday. That gives you a whole new
level of freedom. And so maybethat leads to RVing, maybe that leads
to these modular homes, maybeit leads to, I don't know, more glamping
and traveling. Obviously,like, so this is, it's just really
interesting to kind of thinkbriefly about where this rapidly

(45:19):
changing world could take usand some of the things we're going
to need to invent and considerthat are going to serve us in that
world.
CAPEX utility I mean, as wethink into the way the factory works
right now, a lot of theequipment and a lot of the processes

(45:39):
and systems are not being usedefficiently. Right. I think if any
company is using assets,particularly CapEx, if they're using
CapEx at 60, 70%, they aredoing really, really well. I think
it's more 30, 30% simplybecause if you divide the day and

(45:59):
night from that standpoint,you're 50%. Right. And then assuming
that you have an 80%efficiency of 50%, that's 30 something
percent. So very inefficientuse of space, factory processes,
chemical systems, even roboticapplications. I mean it's for us,

(46:21):
the idea of a dark factory inthe future is very, very real. And
the idea of a house that moveswith you or that you can have a sort
of ownership of home, like anairplane kind of thing, so that if
you're in Canada, you're inthe US Texas California, you have
an ownership and you're goingto be assured that you get home when

(46:44):
you get there without beingconcerned with all the moving. And
just like renting a car beforeI remember when I was younger, it
seemed impossible thatsomebody would let you drive their
car, rent it, right? Becausethey wouldn't take care of it. They
would destroy it. And therewere no processes to control that.

(47:05):
And now we don't even thinkabout going and taking over the car
that belongs to somebody else.In the same way, I believe that homes,
we need to start thinking thatway to fit the needs of the younger
generations that move a littlemore, want less responsibility with
fixing and maintaining home.And simply, I think they're smarter

(47:28):
about enjoying life and juststaying with what their. Their primary
likes are and not trying tofix problems that don't belong to
them.
Well, and it's not everybody,right? Like, and that's okay. We're
not trying to pitch this toeverybody. We're saying that there
is just like, there's carcampers. Just like there are people

(47:50):
who want. Continue to want therv. Just like there are people who
stay in luxury hotels versuscheap hotels. There are people who
want to buy these modularhomes. There may not be a market
that's huge for it yet, butthere will be, whether it's from
Arthur's company or someoneelse's company. Because behaviors
change and things, you know,people adapt to that. And I think,

(48:12):
you know, even it leads to thebeginning of the discussion of our
show where we're talking aboutgetting out into nature more. Like,
obviously, if you live in acity and you go to the park and there's
crazy turkeys chasing you,like you're stuck in your city and
you just can't enjoy nature.The only solution is to buy a modular
home that moves that I see,right? You just have to take it and

(48:34):
go to a new city and find anew park. Is this right, Greg? Like,
how often. How prevalent arethese wild turkeys? Greg, we need
to understand this extremely.
They're all over the place.There's a great.
There's a great story that youshould stay away from.
Oh, no, none. They are. Theyare very closely related to velociraptor.
If there was anybody out therethat was traumatized by Jurassic
park, they are definitelyclosely related to a velociraptor.

(48:56):
But no, you don't have to stayaway from. They're great and delicious.
Weird that like, I actuallywanna. I would actually. If I knew
I was safe. And obviouslythat's a big Gift. I would actually
love to figure out if I couldout think a velociraptor.
Absolutely. You can't even outthink a turkey. And no offense to
you, but turkeys areincredibly smart. They will. They
will out.
Thank you.
And then flog the bejesus outof you.

(49:17):
They're.
They. I don't want to beflogged, but I want to try. Like,
I'll take. I'll take my asskicking if I need to take it.
I will run the video happily.If you wanna. If you wanna square
up, we'll play the Rockytheme. We'll have somebody dressed
up like Mickey in the corner.Get him Rock. And then you can get
in there in the turkey. Just.
All right, we'll do that liveon outwired sometimes.

(49:38):
Oh, my God. Biggest audience.
I'll fly out there to be withyou guys. I'll fly out there to be
with you.
Angel, what do you think ofthis from a glamping operator standpoint?
Is this something that.Because obviously we're looking at
this from a modular homeperspective. He did touch on glamping,
but is this something thatcould be feasible for a glamping

(49:58):
operator to put in their property?
Yeah, I mean, it depends. Iwouldn't say that it's not feasible.
It would depend on the type ofglamping resort or location. Some
people are very more into theyurts or, like, you know, the safari
tents, and some are into thegeodesic domes. This is really taking
it up a notch. I almost see itas like glamping on the road, which

(50:21):
is. Is pretty cool. So you canpick your most beautiful location
that you love or in the worldand bring your own glamping site
right there instead of.
Or you could pre program themto only go between your franchises.
Correct.
No control it. Just taking youto the next creekside.
Yeah. Yeah.

(50:41):
I love it.
It looks beautiful. Mygoodness, I love does it looks.
Like it would be incredible ona. Like a desert landscape because
it looks so, you know, sort oflike bringing Mars into it.
Right.
If you had this.
Yeah.
The Badlands or in Utah andMoab or something. Like, it would
blend in seamlessly. It wouldbe incredible in a situation like

(51:02):
that.
But imagine if you put thatkind of thought into it. Right? Like,
this is what we, you know,going full circle. This is what we're
talking about. Setting apartexperiences both at RV dealerships
and at campgrounds and thingslike that. Not that that kind of
epic thought is going to berequired necessarily everywhere.
But imagine if you put thatkind of thought into it to instead
of putting a conestoga wagonon a existing RV site and calling

(51:25):
it glamping that you actuallycreated an entire western themed
resort that had conestogawagons and a saloon. And maybe not
the questionable ethicalthings that are illegal now today
that happened in westerntowns, but everything else you could.
But just you created thatwhole experience the same way you're

(51:46):
talking about Greg, aboutcreating an experience of like a
landscape, almost like a spacethemed. Yeah, you know, like that
stuff. I bet you that wouldsell out for years. And the amount
of capital that some of thesepeople are putting into RV resorts,
like the. Like I've talked topeople who put 30 to 40 million dollars
in an RV resort after Covid.Like, I don't know how much a Mars

(52:09):
themed glamping resort costs,but it's got to be less than that,
right? Like, it has to be.
It's potentially.
Yeah.
If you're not building allthat infrastructure and. And yeah.
But if not like that, it feelslike that Mars themed resort is like
a guaranteed sellout for like10 years.
It would be so cool. Yeah,absolutely. There's so many people
that are just, you know,you've got. Let's do it, Arthur.

(52:34):
Okay, we're gonna. We're gonnahave a. We're gonna have a three
way call after this is over.Brent needs to come in though, because
we have to carry this intothe. Because you can also set this
up. You could set it up in thenorth woods easy and still make it
make sense. They're really.Brent, what do you think about these
things? It's like Brian askedif them. Brian, I'm taking it over.
Brian asked about them at yourdealership, you know, and then he

(52:55):
brings up this idea that theycould self drive you to the next
resort. The next resort. Youknow, looking ahead at the things
that these type of units willbe able to do, your customer could
come to you and maybe theydon't even buy it, but they rent
it from you and they get anentire experience that plots them
out from one park to the nextpark to the next park and then brings

(53:15):
them back to you at the end.Now granted, you're. You're left.
Yes.
But then like the sunoutdoors, which leans toward more
the big people. I understand,which is unfortunate. But like the
sun outdoors of the KOAS couldsponsor you to have you program one
of your units to only likemarket to them and take them to their

(53:37):
unit or franchise locations.Koa to koa to koa sun outdoors doors.
Yep.
There's another Revenue streamfor you, Brent. First dealership
in the North America, to be honest.
I mean, there's obviously lotsof options with that and, you know,
whether you're talking aboutusing it for camping or for housing
and you know, a couple thingsin Canada, I mean, the ability to

(53:58):
be self sustained, off grid.We have the lowest population density
of, you know, I mean, I'm not,I don't know the facts, but it's
certainly better than it is inthe United States and probably better
than it is in most places, theworld. And yeah, you get into, you
get into northern Alberta andI mean, you can almost find a place
to camp anywhere. But tryingto find a full hookup would be, you

(54:19):
know, that would be a real challenge.
Yeah, Churchill, Manitoba ison my list. I need to go see the
beluga whales and the polarbears, but bring a gun for the polar
bears just in case. Not that Iwant to kill a polar bear, but it's
dangerous up here. Okay, guys,Canada's like very dangerous. It's
not for lots of turkeys.
Very dangerous. Yeah.
Not for the faint of heart,guys. But the, you know, the other
side of this is as we, youknow, I talk about us having this

(54:41):
vast landscape where there'sno, no hookups and we don't have
the campground infrastructurethat the United States has. The other
side of that is where thecongregate or where the, where the
population does, you know,congregating. All of our metro centers,
there's a big push to condensethose further and further.
Yeah.
And it's becoming necessarythat homeowners and consumers. The

(55:01):
empty nester doesn't have a1500 square foot bungalow to themselves
anymore. The kids are 30, theystill live there. They might be married
and have their kids there. Theempty nesters actually own an RV
and they leave on the weekend.Or, you know, maybe they own an AI
unit that's already headedwherever it is or this.
Or you can just, you can justprogram your own AI like little pod

(55:23):
from Arthur to take yourannoying kids wherever you want them
to go. And they can't changethe destination because they're 30
and they need to get out ofyour house.
Take them to Churchill, feedthem to the polar bears. It comes
back empty. I know that went alittle dark. I'm sorry.
But yeah, that was a little.
Some people, some people wouldgo that route. Family PC fireside
chats When I was.

(55:44):
15, my mother would have beenlike, where? How, how fast can I
get him to the polar bears?How quickly can I get rid of this?
So Anyway, sorry,
I mean, your mother had agreat sense of sarcasm or I feel.
Sorry.
Just ahead of her time. Justahead of her.
Okay. Just ahead of her time.All right, please, sorry, Brent,
continue.
No, I just, I, I think thatthere's a, you know, to Arthur's

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point about, you know, thesort of evolving landscape of how
people are going to live. Idon't know how any of this goes,
but you can certainly see thatit's going to change. And I think
that there's, you know,there's a number of customers that
we currently have that, as Imentioned, where the empty nester
is out using their RV on theweekend because they already have
a house full. We sell atremendous amount of RVs to people
where their, the RV is anextension of their living space and

(56:30):
they're putting a destinationstyle trailer on their acreage or
property and the kids or, orgrandma or somebody's living in that
unit. And then, you know, thepermanent RV resort for us is, is
a huge, you know, kind of ahuge growing segment in our part
of the world. And then kind ofthe next evolution of that is these
subscription based RVcampgrounds where the units move

(56:51):
in and out of the campingstall, but not necessarily out of
the property. And all of thesethings would work well with this
type of product.
Yeah, it will be interestingto me and I'll just. Go ahead, please.
Yeah, go ahead.
Oh, I, I was going to say thatwe, we just had a conversation with

(57:12):
a company called Rent. We'resaying exactly that, Brent. There
is an opportunity where oldercouple children coming back from
college, for example, and theywant to provide a place with privacy,
right. For them to live. Andthey have space in the back here
in Menlo park, they're sayingthis is amazing piece of property

(57:37):
of that size. A house of thatsize would be about, I don't know,
three, four million dollars.Right. They, they buy something like
this for a hundred thousanddollars, they put it in their backspace
and they suddenly can havetheir kids stay there with, with
their own home. And, and theother way around is their professional,

(57:59):
their kids who are doing well,earning wise. They want their parents
to come and visit and theywant to provide a proper, comfortable
living space for the parents.And so these two applications, the
ADU just answers those twosituations perfectly.

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Yeah, it's going to be a funworld where we're headed. I mean,
I think anyway, I thinkthere's some bumpy patches to get
there, but I think that theamount of change that we're about
to go through, there's goingto be some really cool things that
I think a lot of people areactually really going to like out
of it. And some of it is goingto come from new inventions that
we never would have consideredbefore. We never would have thought,
we never can. Like, I mean,they've predicted 40 billion humanoid

(58:43):
robots by 2040. Like, fast.
Believe it. Yep.
So then here's the questionis, like, do those robots camp and
how do they get to their jobs?Maybe they need RVs, psychology.
Why can't they?
Right?
Like, you know, I can imaginethe. The whole audience laughing

(59:07):
at me like, there's no waythey're not human. Right. You wait
and see how human they lookand feel and act, and then you tell
me they're not human. It'sgoing to be a really interesting
world, but I think there'sgoing to be a huge market for that
that people also aren'tthinking about. Right. That they
can sell transportation tothat they can sell. You know, robots
are going to need to get toand from places they're going to
need to go to and from placesthey're going to need to whatever.

(59:29):
And so it's going to be a fun one.
Totally agree.
All right, Any final thoughts?I know we're a couple minutes over
Angele.
No, I think it's veryinteresting conversation. It'd be
really interesting to see whathappens with those robots, what you
just said. But.
Well, here's somethingthat'll. Here's. I know we're over,
but here's something that'llblow your mind briefly about robot.

(59:50):
I learned this this week.Okay. I actually learned this yesterday.
This is not what I'm going totalk about later. Greg, I told you
I had. We had interesting newintro idea where we're going to talk
about one thing we learnedthat was cool this week. This is
not what I'm going to talkabout. But I extrapolated this out
so that they're anticipatingthe cost of a humanoid robot that
can do everything in yourhouse. Wash the dishes, clean the
car, like everything in yourhouse, like a personal household

(01:00:12):
cleaner would, everything intwo to three years will be between
20 and $30,000. If you takethat and extrapolate that out and
lease that like you would acar, then assuming it's like as high
as a 6% interest rate on yourlease and all the other terms and
conditions that go into yourlease, like I had chatgpt actually

(01:00:33):
figure this out. For me, itends up being. I think the final
number was 70 cents an hour tohave in, like, in three years, you
will be able to have ahumanoid robot in less than three
years for 70 cents an hour, doeverything around your house, including
cook and clean. Like, this isnot made up, but that's so there.

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Take that, Angele, and finishyour thoughts.
Wow, that's. That's crazy. For70 cents an hour, I definitely have
my own robot cleaning anddoing everything. Yeah. So no, it
was very. For me, I think itwas a very interesting episode and
I learned so much. And also,Artur, like you're new designs of

(01:01:19):
what you're doing is kind offascinating, you know? Yeah. So for
me, I don't have anything elseto add. I think above everything
at this.
I didn't freak you out toomuch with a tech talk and as.
No, no, not at all.
All right, Brent, any final thoughts?
No. That was a fascinatingproduct from Arthur, guys, and I

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appreciate the opportunity tocome on.
Yeah, thanks for being. Wherecan they learn more about your dealership?
Carefreerv.ca and Angel.
Angela, I forgot to say, wherecan they learn more about Creekside?
Yeah, for sure. You can learnmore about us at creeksidernr.com
or on social media as well.Facebook and Instagram.

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Awesome. And Arthur, where canthey learn more about AC Future?
ACfuture.com you'll find us.Thank you very much, Brian. Thank
you, Brent, Angel, Greg, greatconversation. Anything we can do
to help, please let us know. Ireally mean it. We. We want to go

(01:02:25):
to Canada and we're talkingto. To some people already and I
hope that happens fast. But ifyou're ever in California, you have
a home here, come out and, andvisit us. We'll be glad to, to receive
you with open arms.
I think Greg's still on thefence a little bit, and I'm going
to let him speak for himselfin a second, but I'm going to speak.
I think what we need for Gregis you say you're modular. We need

(01:02:48):
like a transportable. So ifGreg's not gonna own a home and he's
gonna just go between homes,all of which might be yours, then
we're going to need to have amodular kit that you can carry with
him. Like a suitcase that,like, he'll just pop open. A drone
will come out and it willinstall like a modular piece on whatever
home he's visiting that willallow him to like, trigger instant

(01:03:10):
alerts for birds and make surehe doesn't miss anything. So he can
pop out of the door and the AIwill tell him, like, go outside right
now, Greg.
I mean, all we got to build isall we got to do is integrate the.
Trying to think of the brand.Now. There's a. There's an outdoor
speaker that you can plug inin your garden that records every
type of sound you can imagineand uses machine learning to essentially

(01:03:33):
share it with you. And withplatforms like Inaturalist and the
Cornell Lab of Ornithology,and they actually, they put these
things out, people buy and putthem in their gardens, around the
rooftops. I think it's. It's amodus. I can't think of the name
of it.
Do you have one?
No, I don't. I desperatelywould like to get one.
Okay. I got my Christmas giftidea. Now you deserve one. But I.

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Right now I just. I need tocarry my backside outside and listen.
That's what I need to do.That's. I can't give that up. But
it's still a pretty cool wayto know what's going on. So, yeah,
we're. I'll find out what thatis. Arthur, I'll call you. We'll
integrate them in with yourunits. And the way you go, you know,
you can wake up to birdsongbeing transmitted right inside from
outside. That'd be prettysweet way to wake up.
All right, And Greg, where canthey find out about camp strategy?

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There is a lot of work.
Sorry, Arthur. Go ahead,Arthur. You can finish and then.
Greg.
Yeah, go ahead, Arthur.
No, I, you know, I, I justwanted to say, Greg, that I. When
I was younger, I had a hugepassion for micro sectioning seeds,
right? And my big questionwas, how do a sesame seed knows which

(01:04:38):
way to grow, right? They.They're in the dark. They could go
down to the sides or up, butsomehow 100% of them come up, right?
And I used to look deep intohow can this little tiny seed be
the source of so much beauty?And as you can tell, I'm still a
geek because I love studyingabout the roots and, and actually

(01:04:58):
following up on the roots oftrees and, and plants that when they
get sick, communicate witheach other and tell each other that
they are getting sick. Crazy,right? But someday we'll have a conversation.
Absolutely.
And now you've taken thatinto. So your, Your units grow very
similarly to the way thatsesame seed does. So you've taken

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that. That's beautiful.Actually a little bit of biomimicry
maybe, that you didn't evenrealize you had built in, into your
units. That's pretty.
Wow, you're right.
That's pretty sweet, Arthur.
Yeah.
Yeah. All right, Greg, now,not all these people have like 30
minutes to kill before theyhave to go to another show.
Tell me about it.
They have to do importantthings. So wrap up. Where can they
find out about camp strategy?

(01:05:39):
Campstrategy.com we'll talkabout things that aren't turkeys
or seeds or unless you wantto. I'm happy to, but yeah, campstrategy.com
is where you can find me.
Awesome. Well, thank you guysfor joining us for another episode
of MC Fireside Chats, ifyou're not sick of hearing from me
and Greg. And then Scott Barrwill join us later, too. We have
outwired. That's coming up inliterally, I don't know, 48 minutes
and 6, 5, 4 seconds. So joinus over there. It's completely different

(01:06:04):
discussion. We're going totalk about AI tech, all kinds of
stuff today. I think we'regoing to dive into Doge and its impact
on the National Park Service,Forest Service and how that might
impact private campgroundstoday. But appreciate you joining
us on MC Fireside Chats. Andwe'll see you next week for another
discussion. Take care, guys. Iappreciate you all being here. See
you.
Thanks, Brian. Bye bye.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.