Andrew and Jimmy Take Questions | Ep. 29

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So welcome to the MC Squared podcast.
I do not know what episode thisis, but we are absolutely live
on three different platforms andwe're really excited to be here
tonight.
I'm Jimmy McKenna with AndrewMcNeil.
We have X running, we haveFacebook running, we have
YouTube running and this isgoing to be our first podcast

(00:22):
where we're actually going totry to take questions.
We've got some new software tokind of play with.
We've already messed it up.
We shot about if you were onabout five minutes ago, we shot
a little clip of us just talkingabout things, but we're started
right now.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We didn't do it early enough, or you would have heard
us praying, because we alwayspray before the service.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
We would wrap the prayer.
I think I was praying fortechnical difficulties and God
didn't answer.
And then the mouse got clickedsomehow, Anyway.
So let's get started.
Andrew, what's been going on?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, it's been a crazy couple of uh weeks to a
month uh, in the news, and Iknow we talked about this the
last podcast, so I don't reallywant to have to um, we had some
technical difficulties the lasttime, to say the least.
Yes, uh, so we had to um, yeah,I mean, we we have the last 30
minutes of the show on youtubeit.

(01:22):
It's still on there.
There's a lot, quite a fewviews, comments had some good
response from it and and I youknow I'd love to apologize for
it, because the video itself isjust very freezy.
It just freezes every otherframe.
Audio was okay, so you know.
So we talked about a lot ofstuff then and you know I don't

(01:44):
want to have to regurgitate anyof that.
So did you see the news todayat all about the female boxer at
the Olympics?
This is kind of the topic.
It's kind of taking the worldby storm and I'm not sure.
Also, in between the lastpodcast they had the opening of
the Olympics, which was anotherhuge deal.

(02:06):
Yeah, that was a little bit of amess, it's actually been a
pretty big deal here, evenlocally, but church-wide, oh
really it was a big deal, didyou?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I saw the opening, the mockery of that
yeah the Last Supper, yeah yeah,yeah, but then they kind of
well, there was a lot of stuffthat went online that wasn't
true about the sponsors pullingout.
I don't think any of that wastrue.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, there was one sponsor that pulled out.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, which was not the one that they had online,
but no, I think they kind ofdialed it back right after that.
It was already done.
Honestly, it was a non-apologyapology, it was already done.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
They were trying to scrub the internet from being
able to see it?
Uh, so they started threateninganybody that was reposting or
you know the video that wasgoing on with copyright
infringement, just to get thatdown because it was a pretty bad
pr?
Uh disaster.
They, they, um they.
They were clearly portrayingthe last supperpper.

(03:02):
There was some argument amongstChristians that didn't want to
have to face the cultural warthat we're in by saying no, it
was the Garden of the Gods, itwas some Greek thing which,
incidentally, the portrayal ofthat I found out today was
directly connected to mockery ofthe last supper painting by da

(03:26):
vinci.
That happened 127 years prior.
So it it was clearly meant as a?
Um, a middle finger basicallyto not just christianity but but
all of western civilization.
It was full of transvestites.
One guy had his privateshanging out, there was a child

(03:47):
there and the woman that was thecenter of it, the lesbian woman
that was in the center of it,was proud to you know, she said
this on her social media to bethe something the social justice
Jesus.
So it was clearly an intent andthe outrage was pretty
widespread condemnation from.

(04:09):
What was interesting to me washow many people that weren't
Christians weren't involved inthe church, were outraged by it,
got upset, protested, caused astink, and then I started seeing
trickles of actual pastors orChristians start to say, well,

(04:31):
it's like the world.
I mean, what do you expect?
They're going to act like theworld.
They're going to act like theworld Even though this kind of
thing hasn't happened in ourlifetime at the Olympics.
This kind of debauchery and inGod's face, but somehow we're
just supposed to, you know, sitback and be quiet and passive
because, hey, it's the world,it's the way the world's
supposed to act.
And it was kind of anoutrageous but expected

(04:57):
dereliction of duty byChristians, if you ask me.
Now, that was a small segment,that was a tiny little minority,
the majority, really.
It was pretty outraged Todaywas the I believe it was the
boxer, the female, it was femaleboxing.
It was a female boxer from, Ibelieve it was Algeria, and she

(05:18):
quit 45 seconds into the matchagainst a biological male.
A man, uh entered and he hither twice and she I mean she she
couldn't, she wasn't going todo that anymore, so she quit.
So she'd never been hit thathard before in her life.
She broke down, sobbing theimages, uh, of, of the aftermath

(05:43):
of that are are absolutelyheart rending, disgusting.
She she gave a statement to themedia where she um talked about
her father who urged her on,had some really inspiring things
to say about training and youthink about all the training and
the hard work and the effortthat goes into it and you could
see the absolute um heartbreakthat she had that 45 seconds in.

(06:07):
And it's done Not because shegot beat by another woman, but
because they'd allowed a man tocome on national international
television and just beat her.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I mean it's just disgusting.
So do we have any of that?
Four years ago, I mean, wasthere any of that?
I mean, and it was broadcasttoo, of all things.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, so there's actually quite a bit of
condemnation, as there should be.
But what is encouraging to me,jimmy, is that we're not in four
years ago, where you had a lotof liberal stuff.
You've always had liberal,leftist, marxist ideology
leanings and all of this stuff.

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I mean the world has moved left.
I remember Rush Limbaugh sayingthat liberalism was the
absolute, laziest, easiest thingyou could do because it
required no mental thought.
There was no actual processingof thought, it was all feelings
and emotions and it was thebravest thing to work on.
You know conservatism and tounderstand actually work on

(07:12):
understanding what liberties andfreedoms and you know what
conservatism is.
But four years ago we wouldn'thave had the backlash and right
now what we're actually seeingis that our side, western
civilization or Christianity,they're fighting back and

(07:34):
they're boycotting.
I mean, we've seen Target pulltheir pride stuff from their
kids' area because of thebacklash, lost billions.
We saw, uh, you know millerlight about go under just from
the backlash of having atransvestite or, you know,
transgender person be theirspokesperson.
We've seen incredible amountsof an awakening and we're not in

(07:56):
the same era that we we were inbefore, I think.
I think I think all of thisstuff has just awakened a
sleeping giant and I don't know.
I don't think we're in the erathat we used to be, and so, yeah
, it was horrible, it was gross.
Did you watch it at all?
I mean, I didn't watch it atall.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, I didn't watch the fight at all.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
No, I mean the opening ceremony.
Oh, the opening.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
No, no, but you know, but I really enjoy the Olympics
, I really enjoy the competitionof all of it and it was kind of
a little bit of a bummerbecause I was kind of looking
forward to watching it and itjust kind of puts a little bit
of a stain on or off the bat.
Yeah, because there are so manyand you were talking about the
boxer.
I mean these people, this isessentially their job.

(08:43):
Yeah, I mean these people, thisis essentially their job.
Yeah, I mean this is what theytrained for for four years to be
able to get the Olympics in theprime of their life, because
they're not going to continue todo that and they're probably
going to have to go and work inwhatever later on, but they're
working at getting to theOlympics and so all that goes
into it for this competition onthe world stage.

(09:04):
Everybody gets to see it andyou get the, you can go after a
medal or whatever to be the top,and then, I don't know, I, I
love, I love the competition ofit.
But it just kind of put alittle bit of a stain on, and I
know that I feel so bad for thelady because I didn't see the
fight, but I'm sure it will beuh well, it wasn't much of a
fight, it was pretty.
I'm 45, yeah, but I mean justthink how many Hours, hundreds

(09:29):
of hours, she'd put Into thatjust to walk out there.
And obviously you havedaughters and I have daughters
and I mean Think about herfather.
I mean just think about herfather Watching that.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, he passed away.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
He passed Well, so then, so she was doing it for
him, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And so what?
Her father told her when shewas she couldn't hardly do
training anymore.
She was just at the end of herrope and he said what do she
goes?
He said that boxing was similarto cycling.
And he said what do cyclists dowhen they get to the end, when
they can't go anymore?
He said they cycle harder.
Yeah, and so that was really.
She's an inspiration, but whata sickening.

(10:10):
I mean, who would applaud?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean that's just I don't know, andrew, that there's
going to be a lot of peopleapplauded, because I really
think that, kind of like youwere saying, we're a lot
different than we were fouryears ago, but I do think the
enemy's plans are getting moreridiculous and they're going to

(10:32):
be exposed, yeah.
He's never got anything new,nope Right.
And for this guy who is, I mean, that's a terrible place for
that person to be.
Can you imagine living asTrying to live as something that
you're not Right and then beingexposed on the world stage to

(10:53):
as something that you're not?
Yeah, I mean that.
But he seemed pretty happy yeahbut I mean, that's all a facade
.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I'm like you just beat a woman man.
That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
This is what I want to know when the lights go out
and when you're back in yourhotel room by yourself what's it
feel like?
Yeah, exactly Because it doesn'tfeel good, man, and I think
that the run-of-the-mill friendsthat I have that are liberal, I
think that they're looking atthis like what in the world,

(11:26):
like why is this now beingassociated with us?
I mean, I don't know, I thinkit's just a whole different sect
of a mess yeah, of a mess yeah,and um well, the hope is that
there's going to be, um, thatthere's going to be positive

(11:47):
backlash it.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
What's interesting to me is is, again, you know not
to beat a dying horse, but you,you, you deal with, with a huge
segment of the Christian churchthat is just, uh, apparently an
advocate for burying themselvesin a hole and not participating
or being an influence in societyat all.

(12:09):
Or they spiritualize it so muchthat the only spiritual
activity you're allowed to do isbe a seeker-friendly church
that, just, you know, preacheslovey Jesus and that's it Like.
That's it Like no offensetowards anyone ever.
And they'll preach a Jesus thatI don't recognize in the Bible,
a God that I don't recognizefrom Genesis to Revelation.

(12:31):
And it's easy on sin, it's easyon do your own thing and add
Jesus to it, and it's just, Idon't, I don't get that.
You know we're, we're called,as believers were called, to be
an influence in society, be saltand light.
Jesus said or.

(12:52):
But if you look at the, the fullscope of the of scripture, from
, you know, from all of the, theexamples in the old Testament,
daniel always comes to mind.
But who served inNebuchadnezzar's court?
Or in Cyrus's court, orDarius's court?
All of these seculargovernments and he was an
influencer for the kingdom ofGod within a secular realm.

(13:13):
And Daniel's like I mean he'slike the poster child to me of
what in the new covenant, withChrist coming, we should be
empowered to do, which is why Ithink Christians need to be
involved in politics or cultureor education or whatever it is,
and to see that as a kingdommandate, not necessarily.
As well, you know the world'sgoing to act like the world's

(13:35):
going to act, so why are youoffended?
Well, we're not offended.
It's a righteous anger and it'sright.
It's right that you should bemad at that.
It's portraying absoluteperversion on a world stage and
it's being applauded.
We have an obligation asbelievers to speak up.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
That drives me crazy.
And then one of the legends andI say legend, but it's church
history that Timothy you knowTimothy in the Bible that Paul
was his spiritual father wasmartyred by attempting to stop a
pagan parade and worship in thestreets of the city that he was

(14:17):
in.
He was killed for that.
I mean, that's secular, that'sworldly, has nothing to do with
the church, and yet he feltcompelled by the Holy Spirit to
stop it.
That to me, I mean this is thetwo churches we've got.
We've got the passive, buryyour head, pray for the rapture
church, or we've got the churchthat says do business until he

(14:40):
comes.
God's given us a kingdom andwe're going to multiply it,
we're going to put it at risk,we're going to do whatever we
have to do to see God's kingdomexpand here on earth, just like
it is in heaven.
I'm going to get off my soapboxnow.
Do we have any questionsAnybody?
No, Not yet.
Well, I know they're out there.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Nothing yet.
Oh yeah, questions anybody?
Uh, no, not yet.
Well, I know they're out therenothing yet.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh yeah, there's tons of them they're.
They're typing right now.
Probably they're talking.
We can't see you typing.
Yeah, so if you're on facebookwatching, uh, if you're on x
watching, um, if you're on theyoutube channel and watch, just
uh, you can type your questionin at the live chat.
Yeah, and we will see it hereand we'll answer it while we're
on live, which we're going goingto be live for probably another
what?
40 minutes, or so yeah for alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
So we'd like to test it by having some questions come
in.
Yeah, absolutely, it's notreally good but no, I think the
lost generation is looking forsomething.
I think the lost generationsees a church this week, and why
would you want to be a part ofit?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah.
You know what I mean this weekand why would you want to be a
part of it?
Yeah, you know what I mean,yeah, well, so let me pose this
question to you, because this iskind of good.
So elon musk this week tweetedout it's not a tweet, what is it
?
An x out, I mean, what reallyis a tweet?
Still, it's tweet, it's.
I mean, how else do you say it?
But anyway, on x, elon musk, uh, he said after this was after
the Olympics ceremony, and he'snot a Christian, he is not a

(16:04):
believer.
But he said boy.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I hate to pray.
He dances around.
He's been asked multiple timesby multiple people.
He dances around.
I believe in the teachings butI'm not a Christian.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
But he said, unless, unless Christianity or
Christians get more courage tostand up and fight, christianity
will cease to exist.
Now, what was interesting to meis, first of all, you had the
religious people.
Oh, elon, you know, you do notknow anything.

(16:41):
Christianity will neverdisappear because it's Jesus and
he won't disappear.
Okay, that's great, that'sreally cute.
You've impressed everyone.
And you're right, jesus isn'tgoing anywhere and he wins.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
However the point Go back to your parsonage.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yes, but the point of what he's saying should be a
huge rebuke to the silent,passive church.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That someone who isn't saved is looking at us
going.
If what you say is true, ifJesus is the way, the truth and
the life and this is true, andthe other side of this, jimmy,
is hell, if you're not followinghim, then isn't that worth
fighting for, dying, forspeaking up, for having courage?

(17:28):
And so I thought it was a veryinstructional moment.
You had a lot of folks thatsaid listen, this sentiment is
absolutely correct.
Obviously, christianity is notgoing to disappear or go away.
But I mean, how many times inthe Bible has God said Be bold,

(17:48):
have courage, do not fear.
Do not fear, only be strong andcourageous.
Courage is a Christian virtue.
Tolerance is not.
Passivity is not a Christianvirtue.
Tolerance isn't you are not totolerate evil.
Jesus didn't tolerate not.
Passivity is not a Christianvirtue.
Tolerance isn't.
You are not to tolerate evil.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Jesus didn't tolerate it.
No, he's the perfect exampleright.
Yes, he didn't tolerate it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I was looking, I saw a quote earlier today and I
thought it kind of comes up withthis from Bill Johnson, which I
follow, and I don't know if youdo or not, but I do, maybe not

(18:29):
Whatever, but anyway he said,and I feel like it's a good
quote he said Jesus neverreacted to Satan.
He was only reactive to theFather, it's true, and so he
didn't react to Satan.
Every time that Satan cameafter him, his only movement was
by what the Father told him todo.
Yeah, and he was never moved bywhat the enemy told him to do.
But I was trying to find inhere and you're just much more

(18:52):
of a biblical scholar thanmyself, but, interesting enough,
I was looking for a verse inhere real quick.
Well, just give me a second.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Okay, yeah, so while Jimmy's looking for the
scripture.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
It's a good one.
It works perfect with this.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, that's yeah.
it's just going to take me a fewman just wait a second, wait a
second well, let's see, it'sgoing to be a couple weeks
before we have another podcast,which is normal.
We normally try to take everyother week.
We're going to do that but,like we did one last week, it

(19:45):
was kind of a 50 50 mostly Ifelt like it was mostly a
failure.
But, um, so we're doing thisone.
We're gonna be a couple weeksand then I think, jimmy, we're
gonna try to do like every otherweek on a thursday at seven
o'clock, you're gonna go livethat way.
People can kind of plan on itit's a little maybe after supper
ish, or can kind of plan on itit's a little, maybe after
supper-ish, or.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Most people should be home from work, dinner or
dinner, or whatever one we wouldcall it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Listen.
If you're eating, just put yourfood aside and watch us.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Actually, it's way more important to spend time
with your family.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
What?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, and eat the meal with your family, andrew,
so eat your supper a littleearly.
That's actually good for you ifyou can do that.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But if you remember, send us a question or comment.
I had one guy comment and hesaid you said it.
Now that's great.
That sounds like he's approvingof whatever we said, but it was
a 30-minute video, so I have noidea what he's approving of.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
What did you say, anyway?
Okay, back to the verse.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
So I found it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It took forever, yeah sorry, whatever, I'm sure
you'll know this one Romans 8,22, and 23, but I have this in
the Passion Translation, whichis are you familiar with the
Passion Translation, dr Simmons?
Well, I don't know about drsimmons, but the passions, yeah,

(21:09):
I know.
Yeah, okay, so anyway, um,anyway, I'm going to read this
and I just think it really kindof coincides with and this is a
verse that during a lot of thepandemic, you know, I've I
really felt like something thatI leaned into, but I think it
makes a lot of sense with whatElon Musk is saying.
But it says to this day, we areaware of and so this is
passionate, so it's not exactlylike you probably heard before

(21:30):
To this day, we are aware of theuniversal agony and groaning of
creation, as if it were in thecontractions of labor for
childbirth.
And this is the verse in 23,.
And this is really key.
And it's not just creation.
We, who have alreadyexperienced the first fruits of

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the Spirit, also inwardly groanas we passionately long to
experience the full status asGod's sons and daughters through
our physical bodies.
And so in other translations itsays that the earth groans and
travails waiting for the sons ofGod to be revealed.
Well, isn't that kind of likewhat Elon Musk just said?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know he didn't quote this, obviously no, but
he's saying where are?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
they?
He's saying where are theyBecause he is the earth?
Yeah, absolutely no.
But he's saying where are they?
He's saying where are theyBecause he is the earth.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, he's the secular realm, right, he runs X,
he's over the secular realm,yes, and the secular realm's
even saying where are the sonsof God right now?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes.
I mean, I don't know what anindictment, but I do believe
that they, they are rising up.
I think God is doing somethingreally spectacular that we've
prayed for for years in theAmerican church and I just think
there's been.
Maybe we don't see it likefully publicly yet, but it's

(22:53):
been happening in the grassroots.
I assure you there is a workgoing on that is a shifting and
a changing of the guard.
The old left wing liberal goalong to get along.
Passivity isn't going to cut itanymore.
People want truth and if it'struth and if it's worth dying

(23:16):
for, then it's worth fightingfor and having courage.
And I just, I think a lot ofthis.
I mean what, what I'm?
I try to wrap my head aroundwhat?
What is the motivation of apastor coming out and going?
This wasn't about the lastsupper, this was about this, and
why, you know, I get moreoffended, I get more angry at
Christians who are angry atunbelievers than I do at blah,

(23:39):
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm thinking what is themotivation for a pastor to be
absolutely unbiblical andungodly like that?
And I think A he wants hisworld to be smooth and without a
ripple.
Yeah, leave me alone, let mehave my own little Christian
world and not be bothered by aworld going to hell.

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And then second, I think a lotof times these folks have a lot
of rebellion.
I think there's actually anelement of rebellion against the
righteous standard of the Lord.
If you think about it.
There are a lot of pastors orleaders or these you know some
of these.
They will preach against astandard.
They don't like it.

(24:20):
They'll say things like come asyou are, jesus loves you just
the way you are.
Well, okay, there's a grain oftruth there, absolutely.
But you can't come to Christgoing.
I'm bringing all my baggage andI'm keeping it.
That's not how it works.
You come to the cross as asurrendered person, as a broken

(24:42):
person.
It's why Jesus said that it'salmost impossible for the rich
to come into the kingdom ofheaven, and you know why.
That is Because the rich arenot needy, they don't need
anything.
That's right, and we have tocome to Christ as a needy person
.
You don't come to Jesus withyour own terms and I like this

(25:04):
sin and I want to keep it.
I like this sin and I'll.
That's not how it works.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
You have to realize you're in need.
Yeah, you have to, I mean, andthat's like the hardest thing
for somebody to do is to saythat I need yeah, and you know.
Unfortunately, growing upyou're taught, you know, pull up
your bootstraps and do this anddo that, do that.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
but I mean we have to come to the point where we can
honestly say I'm, I mean, I, Idon't, I'm at the end of my rope
yes and that's where and that'swhere, that's where grace and
the lord comes in and does anamazing work and I feel like in
the american church a lot oftimes we want that amazing work
before we come to the bankruptcyof, before we have the

(25:44):
bankruptcy of soul which we haveto have.
You have to be bankrupt of yourown devices to fully accept the
salvation of the Lord.
It doesn't come any other way.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
So why do they do it?
It's for numbers.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, that too you get a lot of people that go oh
man, itchy ears, tell me more.
Tell me more how I don't haveto be upset by the world, I
don't have to be convicted of mysin, I don't have to really
change anything.
Tell me more about this kind ofa gospel.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, and then the interesting thing about churches
is, if you preach that, if youwater it down, you will keep
your water down, people, true.
And then guess what?
Your job gets real easy.
Yeah, now, okay.
So this is always my thought onthis Were you actually called

(26:32):
Right?
Or are you just doing it RightBecause you know it's your
career?
Right?
And I think that there's aspace in there where, if you're
called to do this, if you'recalled to do the Lord's work,
you're going to have people comein, You're going to have people
go out, no matter what, right,and you have to keep your eyes

(26:54):
on the Lord at all times.
And your call and your call,yeah, he's your boss, he really
is, he really is, and there'sgoing to be people who fall away
.
But the only way to shepherdyes, the only way to shepherd is
to do it that way.
You don't see a shepherdgetting down there with the
sheep and laying down.
No, the shepherd is watchingover the flock.
I mean, that's like the pictureof what a church leader is, but

(27:19):
I mean, okay so.
We have questions.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, okay, yeah, All right.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So just, and you may know what this means, hot mic
reaction video question mark.
Do you know what hot micreaction video is?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So no, so somebody was caught on a hot mic.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, hot mic, yeah, hot mic reaction video.
Was that recent?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
That it had to be a little more clarity.
I have to know if that's aboutTrump or yeah, it might be.
It's not being brought up again, is it?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I don't know, I don't know.
Well, they're trying to run JDVance down now.
I love JD Vance.
He's great.
I do too.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
All right, let's talk about this real quick.
The other big news that's goingon, and this is a part of what
kind of?
Okay, be careful with thismouse.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
You're really afraid I'm going to shut it off.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
We're there too, so is what's happening in Venezuela
.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Did you hear about this.
Okay so, they're communists,okay so.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Venezuela this week held their election oh gosh,
yeah, and the oppositioncandidate I mean slaughtered
Maduro, who's the dictator,communist, horrible person.
The poor people of Venezuelahave been under communist or
socialist or dictatorship for, Ithink, 25 years.

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It's been terrible.
They went from the richestSouth American country now to
the poorest.
It's devastating, it's very sad.
So they have this election andthe opposition candidate is very
reminiscent of 2020.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I saw the pictures.
So all of a sudden, they haveto stop the counting because the
dictator is getting slaughteredby 70% to 30%, or in one area
he got no votes.
I mean, it's just phenomenal.
Well, all of a sudden, uh, andyou look at the, at the graph
it's the exact same graph almostthat we had on election night,

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where then, all of a sudden, hejumps up and barely wins, and so
basically, the uh, venezuelanpeople said're not, we're not
putting up with this, we alreadyknow we won.
And so what's been cool is andof course, our government comes
out and condemns it, you know,and it's just like you guys are

(29:53):
in there having done this.
I mean it just well, suchhypocrites.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
The graph looks the exact same, doesn't it?
It looks very it's the samething.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I saw graham going along and then it's popped
exactly it like, was going alongand like this and then, all of
a sudden, this bottom one goeslike this straight so, which
makes no sense at all.
They've been disarmed, so don'tever let the government take
your guns.
Um, and they rose up.
I mean, they weren't havinganything to do with it.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
What did they rise up with?
Like swords or broomsticks?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
They were hundreds of thousands of people, Hundreds
of thousands of people in thestreets and eventually they came
to certain police districts andsome of the police were laying
down their arms and joining them.
I mean, it's just some of themilitary was refusing to.
Well, now he's issued arrestwarrants for the opposition,
just like you know, seem vaguelyfamiliar with what's happened

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here in America.
But anyway, what struck me waskind of with our conversation I
mean talking about thedifficulty of a rich person,
let's say spiritually,spiritually rich, or a
spiritually poor person, comingto the cross, coming to the Lord

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is that the spiritually poorperson is able to recognize
their own bankruptcy, their ownmoral failings, their own
righteousnesses it's like filthyrags, the Bible says and
they're able to easily acceptthe forgiveness, love and grace
of the Lord and they're able towalk in it, Whereas the person
who says I have no need.
Well, it's kind of similar here, because what we have going on
in america is actually verysimilar to what has happened in

(31:25):
venezuela and and we are on aprecipice right now, a real
danger point in america what yousee in the venezuelans was a
desperation of I don't have aweapon, that it doesn't matter
because I'm gonna die anyway andI might as well die free.
And the determination of theVenezuelan people to be free was

(31:47):
inspiring and it's still goingon right now and nations around
the world.
But around South Americathey're not recognizing the
dictator as having won, sothey're standing, which is the
difference.
In America, we didn't have that.
We had a lot of people going,oh, Biden's the rightful winner.
Immediately before.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I mean, they turned on Trump.
I mean it was bad.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
But what I wonder, Jimmy, is, if that happened to
us, say they steal this electionagain and they do it so
blatantly that we all know whatare we doing about it.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Do you think we would do that?
I don't Do you think we'd reactlike no, I think there would be
a lot of people upset Becausewe're not at a point of need.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's right, because we're wealthy, we're rich.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
And we could say we really don't need to worry about
.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
We can go to work the next day.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
We've got plenty.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, we don't like it that this is high, but we're
not at the place.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's the frog in the boiling pot of water.
Right it is.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So I do believe God's going to have mercy on America.
I do believe better days areahead of us and I'm not saying
we're going to lose thiselection.
But if we were to lose thiselection, how terrible to have
to go through maybe 20 years, 25years of the consequences of
letting this happen, to where weget to the point, jimmy, where

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we say you know what we've lostit all to keep it without being
disturbed, without you know.
So we could be in our passivityand like our little bubble of
family and work and nobody'sgonna bother us, nobody's gonna
make us upset, until we becomelike the venezuelan people and
we realize we went from thewealthiest nation to the poorest
nation and now we're sodesperate that we would rather

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die fighting to be free.
We used to be like that.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
That's how the American Revolution happened.
I'll tell you, there was,there's still a group.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I'll tell you where they were on January 6th
2020.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Or 2020.
Yeah, they were in Washington.
That's the group that saidwe're not going to let this fall
for the next generation.
Yeah, and I think that that forthe next generation, yeah, and
I think that that group has togrow?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yes, but they weren't to clarify, they weren't the
ones beating in the windows?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
No, obviously not.
No, but they were the peoplethat came across the country.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Looks like you got a question post.
Oh, we do.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
People that came across the country to go to be
there on the National Mall.
Yeah, I mean that's.
No, it's true, I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And those folks were praying and worshiping and
seeking the Lord.
That's right.
I mean, I know that for a fact.
There were people on the ground, so yeah, Okay, so we have a
question.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
So not sure who it's from, but I don't know how to
tell.
What is your reaction to thehostages that were released
today were released today Is ita ploy for US dim votes.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Okay, so, first of all, it's good news.
Wall Street Journal reporterheld for a very long time was
released today in a package dealwith the Russians.
We do not know what the packageentails.
Yes, it's a ploy, absolutelyit's a ploy.
However, I'm I'm glad ithappened.

(35:00):
Um, actually that whoever canyou see who?
How can you?
You can just click on it anyway.
Yeah, so, um, that's a verygood question.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
PG Okay, anyway.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
So now we're figuring out.
So when you send something inthe chat For some reason, just
say, hey, this is so and so.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, so I do think it is.
It is an election year ploy,but what we have going on,
Actually tied to the news todayI didn't even think about this
is very disturbing.
We have now allowed the 9-11masterminds to have a plea deal
After all these years too.

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Can you believe that?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Doesn't it seem like maybe they're trying to push
something through here?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
They had two terrorists that tried to breach
Quantico.
They let them out on bail today.
Well, that's weird.
The deal with the Russians forthis is we want to know how much
money, so when?
Brittany, what is her name?

(36:13):
Griner?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh yeah, the basketball player.
Yeah Was her name Griner.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Oh yeah, the basketball player Was her name
Brittany?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, Brittany.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
So she went over there she was found with a
little bit of weed.
And then they made this bigdeal to get her back.
The Wall Street JournalReporter was being held At the
same time.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And they just were like You're just not.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You're not a celebrity.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
An icon.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So it was a one-on-one deal.
They're like we had aone-for-one.
So who did they release?
For Brittany Griner?
It was a violent arms dealer.
I mean, we're just doingterrible things.
This government is showingweakness.
Honestly, it may be an electionyear ploy, but shows a lot of
weakness.
It just really does.

(37:00):
So.
Trump said hey, I would havegotten them without anybody, you
know, without making a swap, Iwould have gotten, gotten them
released, which I tend tobelieve.
I totally believe that thatwould happen.
Yeah, um biden goes, and whydidn't he do it when he was
president?
Which, of course, they weren'thostages when he was president?
But whatever, I mean, I don'teven know if the guy knows what

(37:22):
year it is.
That's a great question.
So what do you think?
Election year ploy?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well, yeah, it sounds like it is Funny timing.
Well, it does sound like, youknow, there's just so much stuff
that happens in the next fewmonths and it's, I don't know,
maybe it's just.
I mean, I don't feel like I'mlooking for these things, but
they just kind of seem to starthappening and I mean, I do think

(37:50):
there's just exposure comingand I think that the enemy is
going to be fighting more andmore and more as the exposure is
starting to come and I, I thinkthat's just um, and I think
it's the enemies on both sides,on both sides of the aisle.
I I think this is deep as itcan get on both sides and and
there's just gonna be well,what's?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
If it's, it's a.
If it's a ploy from the, youknow, the, the dems, I mean it
could definitely be a ploy fromthe deep state of the
Republicans.
I mean they're afraid to getexposed Right.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, absolutely.
I think what we're seeing hereis there's a pattern, because
this is completely a spiritualbattle.
It is playing out with physicalpeople, it is playing out in
the natural, but this is acompletely spiritual battle and
I think everybody in Americarealized that.
I think around the world isdoing something here.

(38:43):
God is in the midst of all ofthis and what we've seen, what

(39:08):
I've seen as a pattern, is theenemy will come with smoke and
mirrors, intimidations, threats,a lot of threats, and it will
feel like almost we're beingoverwhelmed, like we're losing,
we're being overwhelmed, beingoverwhelmed, like we're losing,
we're being overwhelmed.
And then, and then, if you'llnotice, there's like this shift
and a breakthrough will come andall of a sudden, all of those
threats and all of that smokeand mirrors just passes away and
it's like we're dominating,we're absolutely dominating and

(39:33):
this is a, this is a patternthat's been going on now, I want
to say, for two years.
I mean there's been thispattern of back and forth and
every time the enemy comes andagain I'm using this as a
spiritual war.
When I say enemy, I'm notmeaning the Democrat, I mean I
can't say in the Democrat Party,let's make that clear but I am
not saying the enemy.
When I say the enemy, I'm nottalking about the Democrat Party
.
I'm not talking about theDemocrat Party.

(39:56):
I'm not talking about Joe Bidenor Kamala Harris.
I'm talking about Satan and hisdemons behind the scenes that
are moving chess pieces on aboard and God is defeating him,
and I guess what I'm seeing isthere's.
So I could see another wave ofoh my gosh, we're going to lose
and these things aren't good andwhat's happening.
And then I believe with all myheart, because we have a praying
church and a more active churchthan we've had in many, many

(40:18):
years we're going to seebreakthrough and winning.
We're going to win and I thinkit's becoming clear.
God has a purpose and the Biblesays that God always leads us
into victory and to triumphAlways leads us.
He says in Christ we're morethan conquerors, even in
revelation.
When you know people love totalk about the end times and

(40:40):
revelation and the beast andwe're all getting, you know, we
have all this horrible darkness.
If you have anybody that evertalks about revelation, it's
always.
It's always this horrible thing.
But if the truth of the endtimes is that God says about his
bride and they overcame him bythe blood of the lamb, by the
word of their testimony and byloving not their lives, even

(41:03):
unto the death, which is to me,that is courage.
It's saying your courage, yourwords, your testimony and the
power of what I have done.
You're going to beat him.
He's talking about Satan.
They overcame him.
So we win, we're supposed towin and we win here.

(41:23):
So every battle that's going onand this is a major battle for
the soul of America right now,and we've been on it for a
little while we're going to win,jimmy.
But there's going to be daysthat are dark.
There's going to be times whenit feels like we're being
overwhelmed and the new cycle isjust bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
And I'm just telling you it'snot real.
The reality is God is behindthe scenes, he's raising up an

(41:48):
army and we're going to win.
And I've become more convincedof that than ever after that
assassination.
I was already in that mindset,but after that assassination
attempt and God spared his life,I'm like oh Lord, you are
completely on the move here,you're in charge.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I think he expects the faith out of his
people, absolutely.
He is such a good father thathe'll also give you these
glimpses of his greatness thatare just so glaring and they're
glaring to people that are evennonbelievers, that's the.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, and that's I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's what's amazing .
Doesn't that blow your mind alittle bit?
How can you, as a Christian,sit in church all your life,
read your Bible, and how can yoube so blind?
And people who aren't saved?
Maybe you haven't even darkenedthe doors of a church.
They're just good people, youknow, they try to live by the
rules, they raise their families, they love their kids.

(42:50):
They're not particularlyChristian, but they believe in
Christian principles and theysee this stuff as clear as can
be.
And you've got pastors andleaders that do nothing but
muddy the water when it comes tothe battle of our lifetime, the
battle of this age.
We should not be muddying thewaters.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
The message of the church should be clear.
So I have this question.
I want to ask you If you'vethought about this.
It came up about five days agofor me and I was thinking about
this.
So when we celebrate Christmas,right yeah, and we celebrate
the birth of Jesus, and we lookback through all of Isaiah and I
believe Isaiah 65, 40, allthose they all are talking about

(43:39):
the coming Christ, and then welook at it in the way Jesus was
born and it all perfectly aligns, and then we all probably have
this moment at some point wherewe're like and so why don't the
Jewish people understand this,right, right, I mean, they have

(43:59):
a lot of them.
I mean obviously practicing,was they memorize those things
in Isaiah?
And so then we look at them andwe heart is, and I've heard
that there's this small sectionof Jewish people, especially the

(44:22):
rabbis, that know Jesus.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Oh, the Messianic.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
The Messianic?
Yeah, but there are some thatknow that Jesus is the Savior of
the world, but they're justafraid to come out because of
what religion has done.
So, with all that being said,how are we any different as
Christians?
Because we don't realize whatpower was left when Jesus died

(44:49):
and said I'm going to give toyou.
It's better for you that I goRight, because I'm going to give
to you the.
It's better for you that I goRight, because I'm going to give
to you the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit, yep, and so aren'tthe Christians that don't
understand that, almost the sameas the Jewish people that don't
understand that.
Jesus is Christ.
I mean, are we repeating it?

(45:10):
And we would say, well, youknow, we know that Jesus, you
know and we know Jesus and he'sthe son of God and all this
stuff, but then they stop rightthere, at that Right, and it's
really no different than whatthe Jews have, all this lineage
no, it's true and all thisknowledge, but then they stop
right at the edge and there's somany Christians that are
stopped right at the edge thatdon't understand what is given

(45:33):
through the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, and it's almost like arepeat of history, yeah, and I
think it's just reallyinteresting, because doesn't it
always kind of seem to do that alittle bit?
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
No, that's a really good point and I think that I
mean even Jesus said that in thelast days, when he's gathered
after the judgment and peopleare there, he's going to be
telling those that wereChristians, basically, depart
from me, I never knew you.
And they're going to say, well,lord, lord, why, you know, we

(46:05):
cast out demons, we healed thesick, we preached in your name
and he cast out demons.
We, you know, we healed thesick, we, you know, preached in
your name.
And he goes depart from me, you, workers of iniquity, I never
knew you.
And so it isn't about mental andI think that's what you're
talking about, because mentally,if you can go through that and
you can prove your, it isn't.
It isn't the perception that wehave has to be with spiritual

(46:28):
eyes, and I honestly believealmost all of that is tied to
the heart.
So we need a revelation or anawakening of the heart by God
himself and I think Christians,myself included, you know I see
certain things.
I'm sure there are certainthings I don't see that.
I'm sure there are certainthings I don't see In my life as

(46:49):
walking with the Lord.
I've had many times where Godwill hit you upside the head and
you will understand that anentire view that you had was not
even him.
You didn't realize it.
You're completely blind, and Ibelieve that's the case with the
Jews.
I believe that scriptscripturally talks about a veil

(47:11):
has fallen over them until fromgod, even until the time of the
gentiles is finished and he'sgoing to pull it off yeah I mean
so, so that revelation willcome.
And I think the prayer for forus, for for ourselves, for for
other believers, is, first ofall, cause our hearts to break
for what breaks your heart andthen open our eyes.

(47:33):
Because Jesus was constantlysaying for those who have ears
to hear, for those who have earsto hear, what is he talking
about that you physically can'thear?
He's talking about a heart thatis so hard, so full of
arguments and reasonings andunbelief, that you can't
understand the simple truth ofthe gospel or the revelation
that he brings.

(47:53):
So the prayer for me has alwaysbeen Lord, okay, I think I see
it's kind of like the I believe,but help me in my unbelief.
I see Lord, open my eyesfurther.
I mean, I had an instance thisweek where this actually
happened.
I met with a good friend forlunch.
We had a situation going on andhe's a good friend and he

(48:14):
actually has a lot of wisdom, soI'll ask him you know questions
from time to time and beenpraying about this situation and
really worked up about it, andI just laid it out for him and
asked him and he had just greatadvice.
That was like I don't know if Ican explain it.
It's like you're looking atsomething and it's never would

(48:35):
have.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You wouldn't get there without yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
That's the revelation that comes from the Lord and we
all need that.
I think we've got to justrealize it's that poor man.
Again, we're poor.
We need the revelation from theLord.
We need to see things the wayhe sees them and have him adjust
our heads sometimes and haveears to hear.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I was thinking when you said that I mean, jesus
repeats that over and over.
And when you said that I mean,are we really listening, right?
I mean, in this situation, youseeked counsel, you asked and
you were ready and listening.
Are we really?
Do we really want to hear,right?
Do we really want to hear?

(49:25):
And Jesus?
That's the question Jesus isasking us.
Do you really want to hear,right?
Do we really want to hear?
And jesus?
That's the question jesus isasking us.
Do you really want to hear?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
yeah I don't know, that's awesome well, what, uh,
what's the time frame?
I don't have a clock in frontof me.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I don't know what the time it was 750 well, we're
almost ready to wrap up.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, how did it go so long?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
yeah, we've had.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
We've had three or four viewers or so we get a lot
more after we've put it on so ifyou're watching this afterwards
, obviously it stays up on theYouTube channel.
We're going to leave it.
I'm going to leave it on theother platforms as well.
Yeah, and you can watch them atyour leisure, which is actually
how I handle live videos.
A lot of times, when I seesomebody's on live, I don't

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click on it because I don't wantthem seeing that I'm on it.
When I see somebody's on live,I don't click on it because I
don't want them seeing that.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I'm on.
It's totally understandable.
It's terrible, but then I'll goback and watch it.
Especially us.
We're sitting there waitingwhen you get on.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Who's getting on?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
We can't see your name.
If you're on, by the way, well,we should be able to, though.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Why does that not?
I'm trying not, but I mean overin the question.
I can't understand why thatdidn't come in, but anyway it
doesn't matter.
So anything else before we wrapup and go off the air no, I
feel like this was a verysuccessful attempt.
I was very discouraged lasttime we had where it was

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supposed to be broadcast.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
We were all over the place, all right.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
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So if, if you're following usand you have a following of any
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You know'm happy about that.
I am actually really too, andwe're trying to do this so that
we are giving up-to-dateinformation so it's not two,
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But we would also like someinteraction for things that
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I mean, if there's stuff, ifyou're interested in politics of
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um, those are all great thingsto bring up and just start that
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the national politics we, Imean, we definitely should be

(51:59):
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But if you're more interestedin local, yeah, let's bring some
stuff up and if you want tothrow a gotcha question for
andrew.
You could do that too he'spretty good, he's pretty.
I'll just be like I'll justdefer to you.
I mean, that would be prettymuch what I would do, but we
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