Discussing the book Shepherds for Sale and taking questions.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to MC Square Podcast.
This is episode.
Andrew's always got to help mewith this 31.
31.
Thank you for being here.
We're streaming on threedifferent networks.
Hopefully you're watching andmaybe you caught.
We were just having some openconversation about people
watching.
So what's going on, andrew?
What's our topics tonight?
Because we really got to thinkabout this.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, so I've kind of heralded this new book by Megan
Basham Shepherds for Sale.
There's been a huge uproarthere we go Online about this
book and there was a lot ofblowback on social media
Rebuttals and whatnot.
I've got to read this bookbecause I've liked her reporting

(00:42):
she's actually a journalist.
So I had to read this bookbecause I've liked her reporting
she's actually a journalist.
So I had to read it and Iwanted to talk about it last
podcast.
But I hadn't actually read it.
I couldn't get all the waythrough it.
I just read a chapter.
So I mentioned it to Jimmy andJimmy was going to read it and
then we were going to kind oftalk, you know, because I didn't
want him to act like he didn'tknow what we were talking about.

(01:07):
So anyway, I finished it, readit.
It's awesome.
And then, how far did you get?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I got through a chapter, so I mean I'll probably
be good in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I feel like I'm surrounded by friends who don't
like to read.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I like to listen, because you're not the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, I like to listen Because you're not the
only one.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, okay, thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, you're not the only one, not at all.
So okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, not that it wasn't, not that it's not good
at all, yeah, so what you read,what were your thoughts?
It's just it's an interestingperspective and I think that
there's a lot of stuff.
I mean, I'm all for myself forexposure on the political realm,
in the religious realm,obviously, and so I think that

(01:54):
that first chapter that's reallywhat she's kind of diving into,
the intro was actually reallyreally good.
Yeah, it was talking about inthe first chapter, because

(02:15):
that's as far as I got so far,okay, so far is uh the 11th
commandment, which I've neverheard it before.
Obviously you've heard it beforeyeah, but I heard that.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I heard it different.
Yeah, because ronald reagan's11th commandment was never
criticized.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Fellow republicans, yeah, so the 11th commandment,
and I guess in the church isdon't criticize the pastor, yeah
, which that that's that'spretty interesting and and I
wouldn't say that, uh, I've notbeen there before because I feel
like it's a pretty hard jobyeah, but I mean I think this is

(02:48):
going to open my eyes a littlebit to it.
Also, I mean I've really notbeen a part of a religious group
that is that big, yeah, andthat like layered.
Yeah.
I mean the Southern BaptistCommittee.
I mean they have like and I waslistening to one of the
interviews that she did I meanthey have like many different

(03:11):
layers going up that essentiallyare saying, okay, this is what
we're following, we're goingthis direction.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right.
So I think the interestingthing for me was the exposure of
left-wing nuts billionairesGeorge Soros being one of them
that are pouring money into theattempt to break down and you
would have read this in Chapter1, I think the attempt to break
down the stronghold that isChristian evangelical voting

(03:46):
block.
Yeah, because they haven't beenable to get liberal agenda
passed.
The Democrats have not beenable to get the legislation that
they've wanted for climatechange, the legislation that
they've wanted to open theborders, because these are all
the things that they want toopen the borders, because these

(04:08):
are all the things that theywant.
They have not been able to getterribly effective because of
the church, with the LGBTQT, youknow, forget all the alphabet
crowd and they've failed in alot of areas and their biggest
obstacle is Christians basically, which is pretty funny.

(04:29):
So they have come up with anidea to just flat out go out the
church by trying toChristianize a lot of Marxist
theology.
So the Me Too movement wasanother one.
It's pretty interesting.
It's actually a veryfascinating book if you love the

(04:49):
cultural issues, because shetakes a chapter on each one and
she kind of breaks down thebehind the scenes where the
money and the influence iscoming from and it is shocking
and disappointing actually.
So some of the people shetargets Russell Moore, head of
Christianity Today.

(05:10):
He's the editor of ChristianityToday.
He was also the president,former president of the Southern
Baptist Convention, jd Greer,who I think is now the president
.
He also exposed him, andyStanley, which Andy Stanley did
a fair job of doing that himself, actually, and and that's
something I don't know if you'refamiliar with that whole andy

(05:31):
stanley stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
No, are you?
Familiar with andy stanley I amactually many years ago.
Many years ago we did some likesmall groups of randy stanley
stuff with andy stanley.
Okay, he had some good smallgroup stuff back in the day.
I mean it's like I wouldprobably term a lot of this
stuff and I'll get into it, butit's milk.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
When it comes to Christian.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well with Andy Stanley.
So let's talk about him inparticular.
You move back before all of thecontroversy and all the things
that came out.
He was an excellent he is anexcellent communicator.
His dad was the very famoustelevangelist but I don't know
if you call him a televangelist,charles Stanley.

(06:15):
I mean I remember mygrandparents watching him every
Sunday morning before they'd goto church and watch Charles
Stanley, and so it's his son.
And so with Andy Stanley, hewas a leadership kind of a
leadership guy, honestly, andhis stuff was awesome.
I mean it's really really good.
I heard at a leadershipconference, I heard him talk and

(06:36):
it's just really good stuff.
I mean he's just a greatcommunicator.
Well, basically, in a nutshell,two main things with Andy
Stanley that are huge red flagsfor a Christian.
The first is that he has begunteaching pretty hardcore to
disconnect ourselves from theOld Testament.
Christians need to totallydisconnect themselves from the

(06:59):
Old Testament.
Well, that's a huge red flagfor a Christian when you start
to tear apart the Word of GodFor an evangelical, which means
actually Billy Graham kind ofbrought this into the forefront
as a popularity thing.
A popular thing, not apopularity thing, a popular
thing into culture, bringingback, which I didn't realize,

(07:20):
this believing the Bible,believing the Bible as
Christians there was a hugeswath of Christians that didn't
believe.
Believing the Bible, believingthe Bible as Christians there
was a huge swath of Christiansthat didn't believe.
You know, parts of the Bible,whatever.
And so the evangelical churchreally is kind of centered
around believing the Bible asthe basis for our conversation
within Christianity.
So unhook yourself from the OldTestament.

(07:41):
That's a huge red flag.
And then then the exposurereally is that that Andy Stanley
has been pushing a pro gayagenda.
He is completely pro gay, prohomosexual marriage.
It is, it is a devastatingheresy and it is really, really

(08:02):
it's.
It's terrible actually.
So I've stopped listening toAndy Stanley.
You know you can be a leader.
So the leadership stuff,leadership principles, are true.
No matter if you're a goodleader or a bad leader, or if
you're pushing a bad agenda or agood agenda, there's still
leadership principles.
I mean they are what they are.

(08:23):
It's like you know principleson how to make money, get up,
get up, be on time.
You know, do your job.
Whatever it is, those, thoseare great principles.
It doesn't.
You can be a terrible personand do those things.
So just because he was aleadership guru.
So, anyway, there's a wholehost of them.
But I think what, what was, uh,what was eyeopening and

(08:44):
encouraging to me was all ofthese things.
I think, jimmy, you and a lotof people that are listening,
inherently sensed something waswrong during COVID, when pastors
would get up there and they'duse the phrase love your
neighbor.
You know like Jesus would loveyour neighbor.
So good, get the shot, go get.
Well, this was all funded,literally that line was even

(09:05):
funded by Soros and all of thesepeople that are pushing this in
the church, and they hadwilling accomplices and all that
kind of stuff.
So what we've sensed, it waskind of like peeling back the
covers and you can see kind ofthe inner working.
So I thought she did a reallygood job.
It wasn't so deep that youbogged down in it, it was very

(09:26):
quick.
One chapter on each subjectwent through it and you didn't
read this part.
But the very last chapter Ithought was really good, because
she kind of deals with the cruxof why is this important for
sinners, for the lost, for thelost.
Why is this important forsinners?
Yeah, for the lost, for thelost.
And she brings her owntestimony into it, which Megan's

(09:48):
testimony was.
She grew up in a Christian homeHer parents are Christians,
excuse me and she got big intothe drug scene and she said I
mean bad drugs like like, uh, sobad that she she took something

(10:08):
she said was called the HolyTrinity, which she didn't
realize that's what it was andsaid most of the time that 90%
of people who OD on drugs that'swhat they take.
And she woke up in a jail celland she just felt like it was
the mercy of God and so sheconstantly having this
reoccurring thing, and so shegot right with the Lord, because
there wasn't, because there wasa message from a pastor that

(10:33):
basically said you need torepent your childhood trauma,
your all the excuses that youwant to bring up this hurt and
that hurt.
But the reality is we all havesinned and fallen short and we
have to take responsibility forour own actions.
You've sinned, you can stopthis, you can follow Christ, you

(10:54):
can do this.
And so it was a huge wake-upcall to her, and her message
about all of this was we havethese folks that are struggling
sexual sin or they're strugglingwith temptation in one way or
the other, and the message ofthe church has not been a
message of repent.
It's been a message of you'reokay, you're okay, come on in

(11:19):
and it's okay the way you are.
And the reality is none of usare okay the way we are.
We all need a savior, and it'sthe most freeing thing in the
world to have someone say if youwill repent and you will ask
Jesus into your heart and youwill make a decision to follow

(11:40):
him, all of that is washed away,and so that's the part that is
actually missing.
With the quote love yourneighbor stuff.
I think we're still having wehaving some technical
difficulties.
Still, I don't see the red bars, okay.
So I was actually prettyinspired because she had a line
in there and it means a lot tome.
You know, with my own personalstory, yeah, and it was.

(12:03):
We serve a God who still bringsdead girls to life, and that
was just.
I mean that got me when I readthat and just really powerful,
so it's a good book.
I mean it's, it's one of thosethings that I like.
It cause it's exposure and it'sand it kind of is in my
wheelhouse of some of thereasons I've left some churches.

(12:24):
Some of the reasons I've leftsome churches, some of the stuff
that's just like, oh, and it'skind of, you know, it's kind of
been some good exposure.
I'll show it up here so peoplecan see it.
Yeah, I mean this is the bookVery short actually.
I mean do you see how that'sshort?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I know it's 11 hours on audio by the way.
All right, so enough of that,but she does orate it, which is
really nice on Audible if you'reinto that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I guess that's that you gotany.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
No, I was going to ask a little bit about it,
because you talk, I mean whenyou're saying and you've
obviously read it but whenyou're saying you're talking
about, like George Sorosinfiltrating these churches, now
are you talking about like, howwould he infiltrate?
Like a?
It was like small churches, bigchurches, what exactly?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So through like curriculum, bible studies,
advocacy groups, discipleshipgroups.
There's like a I'm not sayingas a broad umbrella, I'm saying
specific, like a specific Biblestudy.
So Gospel Coalition is anorganization that he actually
funds a couple of ministrieswithin their because they have a

(13:49):
ton of stuff within their.
Gospel Coalition is huge, butthey're very welcoming and they
love the fact and she kind ofspells that out the trail of the
money that comes in.
So the question really is whathas caused these pastors who say
they love the Lord, what hascaused them to start
compromising so badly?

(14:10):
And I think it's two things.
It's love of money, becausethere's money involved, but it's
also a huge driver and youcannot discount this.
There is a huge need for thesefolks to be welcomed and loved
by the world and it's a big dealto them.
Nobody really likes to bepersecuted for the message of
the gospel.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, no, they really don't.
And you know, the enemy does goafter the shepherd, yeah, but I
do think there's an interestingWell.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think he goes after the sheep, and the shepherd are
supposed to lay their livesdown.
See, that's the thing whereyou've got these pastors, and
their biggest concern is whatFor the lost, but that's not
what their mandate is.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
their mandate is to be a shepherd for the flock
because they go out they, ifthey lose the 99, that one of
the 99 they go after of theflock right, but that's.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
that's the story of the father going after the, the
one, not, not the shepherds.
A shepherd, jesus says theshepherds, if they're a hireling
, when they see danger coming,take off, which is what a lot of
these folks are doing.
I mean, the enemy is at thegate at the American church is
at the gate and these shepherdsare man, they're hirelings,
they're going this way, they'regoing that and they're not

(15:26):
standing up and speaking truthto protect the flock.
I mean, I know for a fact, factthere are messages meant to be
seeker friendly in big churchesthat are personally hurting kids
in the youth group who arestruggling and need to hear.
They need to hear a no, whatyou're doing is wrong, but they
don't hear that.

(15:46):
They hear we understand.
You can always approach andtalk to us.
We don't condemn you.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, and at that age that can really change
somebody's life so you're likeokay, then I'm good to go right.
And then you heard it.
You heard it from a pastor at ayoung age you can't condemn me.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, your conscience condemns you yeah, because you
questioned it already, becauseit's wrong.
Yeah, yes, yeah yeah, so what?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
So what would you give?
I'm trying to think throughthis a little bit.
What should somebody do if theythink they might be in maybe a
church or in a situation likethis?
What does something come out ofthe book that can give you what

(16:32):
I mean?
What should you be doing?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, that's really good, because she actually
brings in a couple of stories ofpeople who I'm I feel like, I
guess in my mind, I mean, Iguess I'm politically aware, so
when things, what, what's goingon?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
So he laughed.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
So when things what, what's going on?
I don't know, he laughed, Idon't know.
So when things are being saidby the pastor, like everybody
stand up and all the whitepeople apologize to the black
people, I feel like, well, no.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I mean that's pretty obvious, but it happens.
I know, jimmy and I, it happensa lot, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So then you're like and what's funny is in the
stories.
They're like you know, I don'tknow, but I just feel like
something's not right, oh, Imean, but yeah, so, uh, okay,
what's a good way?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
what's a good way to to be able to find the, maybe
the hidden stuff, the occultstuff that's going on in the
background?
And you're like, am I undersome kind of compromise
leadership, right?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, I mean so they should be preaching the Bible
and things should be biblical.
And I think that Christians whohave the Holy Spirit, they
should use that spirit ofdiscernment.
And sometimes it's not as easyas checking off all the boxes.

(18:03):
Sometimes people will preachwhat seems to be fine, but your
spirit will feel reallyconflicted and you just need to
be open to that.
But I think the main thing isthat the greater body of Christ
is under attack.
I mean, it is under attack andwe have been told for so long by

(18:24):
these same people don't getpolitical, keep politics out of
the church.
But the reality is everythingwhen you have a relationship
with Christ.
It affects everything.
It affects your voting, itaffects how you see government,
it affects how you see economy,it should affect how you raise
your kids and your family, thepublic school system.

(18:47):
If you are in the kingdom ofGod, it should affect every area
of life.
There is a no separation, andso for a pastor to tell the
flock we leave politics out ofthis is and it's kind of a red
flag in this book.
It actually that's the phraseused by the people who are
actually being political,because, if you notice, they all

(19:09):
have their political causesthat they, that they're okay
with.
It's not political.
It's not political to to uhstop trump from having families
separated at the border.
I mean, I've heard this, that'snot political.
We just care about families.
And you're like, uh, okay, thenare you there showing up for
all of the uh, uh grievingparents who've had their kids

(19:31):
slaughtered by an illegalimmigrant?
I mean, you hear crickets.
You don't hear anything aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I mean, they're hurting too.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
So what part of all of our walks with Christ is our
personal responsibility?
It's all our personalresponsibility.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's all our personal responsibility.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
And how much should we be following church
leadership?
So if we look back at the earlychurch early, let's say like in
, let's say, acts Church so wasthere leadership there?
Was there this, the apostles?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You're talking about the apostles, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Was there?
This Was there hierarchy.
These tiers of hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I would say that there was, to a certain extent,
obviously, in Jerusalem and inJudea, you had Peter and John
and, um, you, you did have, youdid have that authority, but you
had Paul that came in late andhe, you know, he was like, yeah,
I went off by myself for awhile and I figured it out, and

(20:44):
then I went, I went and I talkedto them and I just quietly was
like, hey, this is what Ifigured out, this is what I
believe, what do you think?
Because he goes unless I wasoff my rocker and they're like
no, we're okay, You're good,you're fine.
And then he comes back later onand he confronts Peter to his
face for being a hypocrite, forplaying a hypocrite with the
Jews.
So I think that that's aninteresting question because we

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are all submitted to one toanother.
That's an interesting questionbecause we are all submitted to
one to another.
That's right.
I mean, we absolutely are.
But I think folks have had a bigproblem with the denominational
churches over the years becausethere's been what seems to be a
controlling and overarching,dominating or domineering
leadership, where you can't doanything that isn't approved

(21:32):
from on high.
So I think it's a balance,honestly.
Yeah, I think it's a balance.
I mean, you don't want you know, I've come from a background of
a non-denominational churchthat didn't have any oversight
outside of the walls of ourchurch and it got off into
Kookyville and it would havebeen really great to have had a

(21:57):
overarching denomination thatcould have said, hey, this is
wrong and you're out of balance,we need some changes to happen
here.
But again, then I look at allthese other denominations.
I don't know that that happensall that often.
I mean it would have been niceto have had that, but I don't
know that, actually, the peoplethat they step in and actually

(22:17):
correct situations, that much.
So I don't know.
Anyway, any thoughts?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts you want to putthem in the comments about it,
or if you've read the book,you've done better than me.
I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, it's just out, so it's only been out a month.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Oh gosh, yeah, so it's new.
I got all kinds of time.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, so well.
Well, what else we got going on?
We got JFK RFK Jr yeah,Dropping out and endorsing Trump
.
Yeah, What'd you think of that?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Kind of a big deal.
Yeah, I don't know, he's aninteresting fella.
To say the least, he is Brainworm yeah.
He's very.
He's got some reallyinteresting thoughts.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I mean I'm not a fan of RFK but I do like his.
I mean he's anti-vaccine andanti-pharmaceutical companies
and giants and all that kind ofstuff.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
He's big into health food.
He's really got some goodthings, and then he's got some
absolutely wacko things.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, he's still a left wing liberal.
I mean, he is very liberal,yeah, and we can thank the
Democrat Party for him endorsingTrump, because they went after
him so badly and he sawbasically the lawfare that is
going on with Trump.
That has been going on to himtoo.
They've been suing him likecrazy.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I mean he's just— I mean I give him a lot of respect
.
I mean him too.
They've been suing him likecrazy.
I mean he's just.
I mean I give him a lot ofrespect.
I mean that's yeah, he couldhave just bowed out, he could
have ran this campaign, I mean,but he opted to step out and
just start taking some darts,and that's what he's gonna
absolutely.
He's gonna take a bunch ofarrows, but he I think he
believes he's fighting forsomething larger.
I agree, um.
So I respect that, even thoughI don't agree with all of his

(23:59):
stuff.
I respect him for that, becauseit's a tough decision to make.
Think about your family.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I mean, think about what your family's going to hear
.
Yeah, once you step out of thatand you're in the crosshairs.
Well, the truth is.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Of that far.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
The truth is John.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
F Kennedy would have been in Trump's camp.
There's no doubt in my mind.
Trump, there's no doubt in mymind Trump's policies are very
mainstream America.
What has been so astounding?
The absolute, visceral hatredthat has been directed towards
Trump?
It is not over his policies, Imean, it is the fact that he is

(24:39):
literally not going to do whatthe CIA and the deep state want
him to do.
Yeah, and that is the bottomline.
So we are facing and actuallythere was a line in the book
that said this that I justthought was phenomenal, and it

(25:01):
was where.
When you boil it all down rightnow, jimmy, because if we had
had this conversation 10 yearsago, I would have been very much
about conservative versusliberal, and I still believe
those things.
But the reality is, what we arefacing in this election and in
our society, culturally and inthe church, is the elites, the
central planners and the rest ofus the elites, the central
planners and the rest of us, andthey don't want common,

(25:24):
ordinary, everyday people tohave a say in what we do, and so
Trump represents that, andthat's the battle we're dealing
with, and so that's why you cansee liberals going.
You know what?
I voted Democrat my entire life.
But I can't.
We're going to lose thiscountry and so I'm going to

(25:44):
stand with Trump.
We've got to win, we've got todismantle the deep state and
then we can start again, then wecan get back to our.
You know our partisan squabblesafter that, but but literally,
the enemy is at the gate and ifwe lose this election because
we've won it and they stole it,it's over, yeah, so, yeah, so

(26:06):
it's between the elites and whatwould you say, common people,
the elites and the common people, common folk, common folk.
It's a populism thing.
It really is so, and I've seenthat more clear now than I think
that I ever have before.
It's really interesting and I'ma big, I love conservatism, I
believe in it.
I'm not throwing that away.

(26:27):
I hate Marxism.
Marxism is a terrible, terriblescourge ideologically and all
that.
But it's very interesting thatwe are.
We are just basically fightingfor freedom.
This has come down to are wegoing to have freedom in this
country or not?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I really think that I don't know, and maybe it's just
the stuff that I've paidattention to, but the people
that are voting, that saythey're voting for Kamala Harris
, don't really know why.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I mean, I've seen a lot of interviews where people
just don't know about policiesand what whatnot.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
They don't know what's been done, so they're
voting for her against justbecause they're against trump
right, and so I mean I, I justdon't, I don't really understand
that, the more she talks the,the lower her poll numbers will
be, and I think that's why Ithink they know that, yeah, they
they keep her away from.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean the interviews the the vice president guy that
she she's brought in tim waltzfrom minnesota.
I mean he's a nut yeah, I don'tknow.
I thought I don't not reallyknow what they were trying to do
with that either I mean, but Imean anyway.
Well, that was interesting.
We had an interestingconversation um, do we have
anything else for this evening?
Yeah, yeah, what's up Anyway?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, that was interesting.
We had an interestingconversation.
Do we have anything else forthis evening?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah.
What's up?
Hurricane Katrina.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
What about it?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
That was what 19 years ago today, right?
Is that what?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
it said oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
19 years ago today was Hurricane Katrina no way.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well and Drew probably heard me say this
because it came on the news theyblamed George W Bush for that.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I remember it?
Yeah, it was the oil rigs,wasn't it?
Or something out there?
The oil rigs caused it.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well, it was just his terrible response.
Supposedly he just didn't careyeah, he just didn't care about
those people down there.
The reality was, their mayorwas terrible.
They had a Democrat mayor in.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
New Orleans and he would do nothing terrible.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
They had a democrat mayor in new orleans and he
would do nothing, absolutelynothing, and the governor of
louisiana did nothing.
It was terrible the response Ido remember it was a mess.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
You remember the people down there, the videos,
the people, but but they it wasalmost like george w bush was
president and I don't know what,I don't know what kind of.
I don't remember all the.
You know what they told him todo to get out, but essentially
they just said, no, we're notleaving.
Yeah, and honestly think aboutif it happened in Terre Haute.

(28:48):
There's a lot of people thatdon't have the means to leave.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right?
No, it's true.
So that's why they asked themayor to take all those school
buses.
They're just sitting there andstart busing people out.
You remember people were juststuck.
Yeah, they couldn't getanywhere.
Yeah, and he wouldn't.
I mean, it was just, it wasunbelievable.
It was, honestly, it wasgovernment incompetence.
And who could be the mostincompetent watching that it was
?
It was like the storm was, thiswas the primary catastrophe.

(29:18):
But the government response,and not just the federal
response, local and and I don'tcare what anybody tells you and
I've thought about this a lotLocal is best.
Your local folks are going tobe the ones to help you out in
an emergency.
Absolutely, and when you, whenyou, come into an emergency
situation, half the time it'snot even the cops that that fix

(29:39):
the situation.
It's going to be some goodsamaritan that decides to step
up, and it is almost always thatway.
Some of the best responsesanyway are going to be either
local or good samaritans, and itwas just like government
incompetence.
You feel so bad for those folksdown there.
It was terrible.
Remember they put them in thethe uh, what is that dome down?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
the super domeome, and it was just like a giant
overflowing latrine.
I mean, the thing was just theyhad no running water and it was
so hot.
It's disgusting, oh gosh, itwas awful.
The school bus thing isinteresting, andrew, because I'm
on a team at Union that we dodisaster drills, okay, and so

(30:26):
the school bus thing, almostevery drill, and so we'll be
drilled like once a year wherewe bring a command center
together and they said, and theygive us a scenario and say this
is happening.
So what do you need to do?
We need to like, get, we needto move half of the patients out
of the hospital.
We have this influx coming in.
There was one time there was acloud of.
I mean it was like, uh, whenthe the train crashes were
happening.
So a train crash, there wasthis cloud of gas that was going

(30:47):
this direction.
Anyway, we almost always a partof our tabletop event, bring in
school buses to move people, so, so if, if y'all are, ever you
see a bunch of school busesgoing somewhere to pick up, it's
a bad, it's a bad day.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Maybe you could thank Katrina for that.
Yeah, Because I think the wholecountry was like use the buses.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
How do you get people , mass amount of people, to one
place?
And you know the fact that it'sour house, people that don't
have the means.
Yeah, you have to go.
Every city does.
Yeah, yeah, and they got theseschool buses sitting around, so
anyway, but anyway, if you seeschool buses all going in a
certain area, go the oppositeway, that's the best thing to do
.
Just go the opposite way, Well.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Jimmy, I'm pretty happy because, to change the
subject, I'm pretty happy.
I'm pretty happy becausefootball's about to start.
Oh it's, I live for the NFLseason.
I got to be honest with you.
It's the only sport I reallycare about, the only sport I
watch, and we're going to startup our second year of the

(31:49):
Fantasy Football League too.
Right, we are, yeah, we have adraft this weekend.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Those of you who remember my wife won.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, if you've never watched this before, it gets
under Jimmy's skin, it's prettyfunny?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, it doesn't.
It was a perfectly fair match,considering we had 15 seconds of
what Carlos said.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Kamala loves big yellow electric buses.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh yeah, Big buses, baby.
They probably use more.
If you're really into fossilfuels, they probably use more
fossil fuels to charge thatbattery than everyone.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yes, oh geez.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Anyway, she wants to put us all on there, Carlos.
Yes, 15 second draft.
We're not doing that this year,no we did it last year, yeah.
I set the draft up.
It was 15 seconds per pick andit was absolutely the hardest
thing ever to get the person youwanted because it was going so
quickly.
I've never in my life, butwe're still calling it skill

(32:45):
that Andrea won.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
She actually had Grace picking for her, I think.
Oh well, anyway, she pickedPatrick Mahomes.
That was her one.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
That wasn't bad, that's a good pick, but we're
going to be going at this againfor the mixed showdown.
The goal is just Andrea doesn'twin.
That's pretty much it, right.
Thanks, drew.
Yeah, drew agrees.
So we don't really put anythingon this, but it's just kind of
a fun thing to talk about.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, she was very disappointed that she won
and there wasn't any trophy, anymoney, any I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Let's get a trophy for the winner this year and it
won't be her, it'll be somebodyelse it'll probably be her it
might be.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, I know, yeah.
So well, I think that'sprobably going to wrap it up for
us tonight.
We don't go too uh late.
We did um, I think we've got alot going on this month, so I'm
not sure we're going to be ableto do a podcast, oh man.
So it will probably be maybe alittle bit, I don't know yeah so
, um, we'll be a little closerin, closer to the election.

(33:42):
Yeah, I'm doing some, yeah, wow, yeah, that's crazy what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
We have a lot of local stuff going on or not,
right now.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I mean, yeah, I was trying to think.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I was trying to think about it too.
I saw A lot of school boardsigns popping up.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
We need to have a guest on here.
Yeah, we should do that.
We've got our setup for a guest.
They'll be cramped in thislittle room with us, yeah, but
we've got a boom mic.
We've got our setup, so that'sgreat.
Thanks to our sponsor.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Thanks to our sponsor .

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm assuming he's going to remain anonymous?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yes, but you know who you are, thank you.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So what do you think I think we're good?
Okay, well, folks, it's been,uh, really fun chatting about a
book I read and uh, so, um, alsotaking your questions and
really appreciate everybody thatwatches these videos, shares

(34:43):
them, likes them.
It means a lot to us.
I don't know why we're doingthis actually, but it does feel
like it's something we'resupposed to do and we enjoy
doing it.
It's actually good.
Yeah, we enjoy doing it.
It forces us to get togetherand talk, which you're just
basically listening in on ourconversation.

(35:03):
So, um, but I think that'sthat's all I've got.
Jimmy, do you have anythingelse?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
no, we'll see you next time.
We appreciate you being on andmake sure that, um, you share
these different uh feeds.
Yeah, that will actually helpus quite a bit, especially if
somebody's maybe you read thebook, they want to hear a little
bit about it, or maybe they'rethinking about reading it.
We didn't give any big spoilerswith it today.
No, no, no.
So, yeah, pass it along and ifyou're interested in us doing

(35:31):
book reviews, Andrew's reallywould love to do book reviews
going forward.
Yes, he's got lots of books.
I'll do reviews of uh youtubevideos.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well, that would work .
Makes me sound really more likea cretin or something.
Yes, yeah, we'll see you on theyoutube.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
See you on the tube.
All right, till next time, yeplater.
Goodbye.