August 16, 2024 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome to the MC Squared podcast.
This is episode 30.
30.
3-0.
And thanks for being here.
We're live.
Jimmy McKenna, andrew McNeilHello, and so what's been going
on?
Andrew?
That's how we always start.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I know it is Well you just got back from a vacation,
but it was kind of a.
It is Well, you just got backfrom a vacation, but it was kind
of a kid tournament type.
You know, jimmy, you're notalone in that either.
I hear a lot of parents thattake these vacations and they're
either with travel ball orwhatever your kids were in a
disc golf tournament, right?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played in Amateur Worlds Disc Golf up in
Grand Rapids, michigan, and wehaven't spent a ton of time in
Michigan but it was really nice.
I actually got chilly one dayup there, which was kind of cool
.
One thing they always say aboutMichigan is they're always
doing road construction.
But one thing I didn't noticeabout the road construction they
were done in one day.
They could do roads so fast.
(01:00):
I'm like they will do I-70 foran entire season, our lifetime,
yes, yeah.
And also part of I-70.
I'm sure you heard but it'sgoing to go three lane.
Well, it needs to.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's going to go.
It has to.
No, I didn't hear this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
How long is it going to take to be three lane?
How long is it going?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
to take them to find an alternate path, because it's
going to be miserable.
I kind of feel like they shouldjust build a new highway
without.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Just build the three lanes nextto it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean that's too expensive, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But no, but it was really cool.
You know, I'd really do likeMichigan.
It was a really nice state.
I mean it really would be kindof a cool place to stay.
Did you see Lake Michigan atall?
No, not really.
We kind of drove by it, but notreally Last time we did some
stuff near Lake Michigan in it.
But you know, it's kind of oneof those weird it's a little bit
(02:02):
of a weird state because anystate that I feel like has
legalized marijuana.
You smell it all over the placeand so you know immediately
when you get in they startthey're selling it.
It's glorified beyond it's aweird feeling, isn't it?
it's a little bit odd becauseyou're like what?
No, okay, whatever, so um, butanyway, people were super nice
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but after a while did you calmdown.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Chilled out real well .
I mean it was fine.
Grand Rapids is a reallyinteresting city in the fact
that it's really easy to getaround.
They have a 465, which is notas big, but they've got a really
interesting way to get on andoff of it where you can stay on
it and it doesn't slow you down.
And, really interesting, therewasn't a lot of like around the
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city, there wasn't a lot ofrough areas.
It was a lot of affluent orjust well-maintained places,
which I thought was nice.
But anyway, the kids did prettywell and they had really nice
courses up there for disc golf.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Was there a lot of kids up there?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, actually there were two groups.
They're called Amateur Men andAmateur Women, and so the women
are about 119 of them from allacross the world.
Okay, they had some from Sweden.
A lot of Canadians came.
Couldn't imagine coming allover to play disc golf for five
days from Europe.
And then from the men's sidethey're from all different
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countries New Zealand, Japan.
I mean you come to Michigan toplay disc golf, man, I would
hope that you'd win, because ifyou come and play really poor,
you travel a long way to throw apiece of plastic.
It's a lot.
But the people were so nice and, if you're not familiar, disc
golf community is super laidback and probably meshes really
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well with the what happens inMichigan, but they're really
easy to get along with.
So that's, that's one reallycool thing.
So, and even if you're having abad round, it's very similar to
to what what I would call stickgolf.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Really no, no, no no it's, it's all it is a.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
it is a life lesson and you know how golf is.
It's a life lesson of I made abad shot.
I need to forget it, that'sright.
And go to the next and,honestly, there's a lot of life
lessons in that too.
And disc golf is the same way,because once it gets in your
head, we call them sprinklers,because you're just throwing it
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like a sprinkler wherever it'sgoing.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You turn it into a sprinkler system.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Anyway, it was a good time.
It was a good break from work.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I heard Connor, your son Connor, got an ace.
This time he did, he got an ace.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
This time he did.
He got an ace and luckily therewas a guy videoing.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, that works, so that was kind of neat.
They have television coverageof this too a lot of times,
don't they?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, the top card, they follow it and then they
post it the next day.
A lot of people like to watchit back, so it was something
kind of neat.
Anyway, yeah, he got an aceback in 2021 in kansas when he
was playing junior worlds, or2020 in kansas, and so that
wasn't filmed.
But you know, it's kind of coolthat he got an ace.
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I mean, no, I've never aced inmy life.
That kid has got probably 30.
Your son, I don't know how manyhe has that's the first one.
I saw your son get Daniel.
He sat inside the basket atDeming and they posted it online
and he got absolutely trolledfor it.
Get out of the basket.
You're not supposed to be inthere.
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He sat in the basket, he'sbreaking it down.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He sat in the basket.
Yeah Well, it's probably my sonthat said hey, daniel, when do
you?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
get the basket he's like oh sure, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So Daniel can't?
I mean he's starting to try toplay again, but he kind of got
that tennis elbow yeah, and soit kind of took him out this
year, which he really hated tomiss.
I mean, he's getting older,it's not as easy to do 21.
21.
When you get a job.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Getting older 21.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, but he's got some kind of a brace and he's
rested it all year, so I thinkhe's going to try to go out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He did.
He played yesterday yeah, Idon't know Two days ago, I don't
know if you remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, he didn't tell me how it went he played really
well.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, good Back on it .
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It felt all right.
You think I didn't know aboutthat, but the score was good.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He does live in my house, that's all that matters
at 21 years old Was your score.
Okay, Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, I got a little bit of golf.
I played.
I play golf about once a year.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So I had a golf outing one day.
Was it free golf?
Well, the company pays for it.
It Free golf?
Well, the company pays for it.
It's for charity.
It was for a good cause, forMake-A-Wish.
So one of my good customers,new Course Steel, puts it on in
Crawfordsville.
It's a Crawfordsville countryclub.
We go every year and I just Itry, jimmy, not to embarrass
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myself honestly I got kind ofserious about it this year.
So I went out and I, I, I did alittle bit of golfing a couple
of times.
I took drew a one time.
Uh, just beforehand, just toyou know, make sure you can
still, yeah and um, I wasn'tgoing in with a lot of
confidence but I thought, hey,you know, I've swung the ball,
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I've swung the ball, I've swungthe club.
Uh, enough that that I feellike you know, I'm not going to
be totally well.
What I've discovered is that ifyou don't play um all the time,
your body does not remember,your muscle memory does not
remember that that swing so umlate in each round, both
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practice and the one when I wasthere, I just started falling
apart because I couldn't do itLike I couldn't do the swing
right.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That makes sense, I just got so tired.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm 50 years old and I'm just it's a lot, but I had a
blast.
It was really really, reallygood weather and really a good
time.
You're not 50.
I'm 50.
You just turned 50.
I'm 50.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And so I'm going to.
You just turned 50?
.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm 50.
I'll be 51 this year.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So Jimmy's like man.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I am on an OG network .
I thought you were like 48.
The OG network, rachel Katstra,just the old O network, not the
G.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, so I'm going to have to start golfing more.
That's what I've figured out.
I just need to do it.
You know, once a month gogolfing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh man, that would help a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and I enjoy it.
I really enjoy it.
I always do.
My chipping is absolutelyabhorrent.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's abhorrent, it's terrible, it takes a lot of
touch to do that and a lot ofpractice.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Bad, but my putting was amazing, I will have to say
putting was pretty good anyway.
So we got out of there, uh, andI wouldn't say dead last, but
close to last out of all theteams well, is that one?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
is that one of those where you can like buy mulligans
and whatnot?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean I never trust that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's always the construction guys that win those
all the time and you're like,yeah, yeah, I think 11 or 12
under, 12, 11 under might havebeen the winner.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Uh, we were lucky if we got one under that's usually
where my team is yeah, and itwas, but we, like I said, we had
a really good time.
They they serve you, um, theyserve you lunch, and then ice
cream halfway through, and thenfree drinks Non-alcoholic for me
, of course, but there was somealcoholic drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That actually helps your play, because everybody
else doesn't play quite as well.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
They seem to play better when they have a few
drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, people always say that and it's never true.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's never true.
There was a putting contest andyou were allowed to practice as
many times as you wanted, whichI thought was kind of funny.
My first practice shot gotabout this close to the hole.
Really, oh, this is great.
So then I yeah.
When I took my two shots, itwas nowhere close.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Anyway, that was my week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, it's just full of sports.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
All right.
So we had Donald Trump doing aSpaces with Elon Musk
conversation, and did you hearany of it?
Did you listen to any?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
of it.
I heard a little bit.
I think I heard some soundbites from it.
I'm trying to think of whatpart it was.
Um, I don't know.
They talk about kamala andstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They talked about everything a lot of issues,
anything basic, everything wason the table, and what I liked
was it was just an easy going.
There was a conversation elonwas.
They were both kind of talkingover each other sometimes, um,
which I think was good.
It's just.
It was natural Elon was pushingback on nuclear energy and I
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think how safe it was, and sothey had some back and forth on
that.
It was a friendly disagreementand I just thought it was really
good for our politics and goodfor the country that you hear
from your presidential candidate.
Yeah, the democrat party seemsto hide their candidates away.
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I don't know if you've noticedthat, but when joe biden was
running, they kept him in thebasement, shielded him from
everybody, and that was becausehe had the dementia and the
mental decline that we all knowhe had.
And we see, um, and they'rekind of doing the same with
Kamala right now.
She hasn't had a pressconference, she hasn't had any
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kind of serious presentation tothe media on what her stands are
or what your policies are goingto be, although she did adopt
Trump's no tax on tips.
Did you see that?
Uh-uh, yes, she adopted it.
Oh, my goodness, it's her standnow.
It's so hilarious.
So this Friday she's going tocome out with a big statement
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policy on the economy oreconomic policy, oh my gosh and
she is going to.
the rumor is, or kind of thepre-release is, that she is
going to advocate for pricecontrols, to bring the price of
groceries and all these thingsdown.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Price controls, price controls, so the government's
going to control the prices.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Which we know for a fact, absolutely tanks the
economy.
It is a devastating thing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But a lot of people will hear that and they'll be
like heck yeah control the price.
Oh, I think, andrew, a lot ofpeople don't understand.
I don't understand, they don'tunderstand it and they don't
understand the fact that whenyou give, when you give
everybody, uh, a check, thatmoney's not going to be worth as
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much.
Or when you're printing moneycontinuously, that money's not
worth as much People don't thinkabout.
I mean, it's all about lookingdown the road instead of two
inches in front of your face,and I think that if you just
listen to that at face value,you probably think, heck, yeah,
we're getting gouged, so we needto have a price control.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm really, I'm serious, I really think a lot of
people feel that way I thinkyou're right.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think probably like 70, 80% of people feel that way
.
I'm dead serious?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, okay, so then it would behoove us to take a
look at history.
I think the last time,certainly the last time, a
Republican ever advocated andimplemented price controls was
Richard Nixon, which he did inthe 70s.
It absolutely was a devastatingthing that they had to reverse.
We learned our lesson.
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Then you have these things thatare economic, sorry economic
theory, and then you have whereit's actually played out in real
life and we see theconsequences.
We see whether it works orwhether it doesn't work.
And that is one of those.
Price controls was what the HugoChavez in Venezuela implemented
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that destroyed his country,absolutely devastated his
country.
Nixon did the same thing.
We had to pull out of it andreverse course.
It's a well-known result.
I mean, just think about it.
If you're a private company andyou are, say you have a
profitable item, but it's you'renot, I mean you're not gouging
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anybody.
These people that think they're, these grocery suppliers, are
gouging people.
Um, so you've got a profitableitem and the government comes
and says you have to sell thesame item, provide, provide it
for all that you're doing, butyou got to take 30% off the top,
or 40% or half, and that's yoursell.
What are you going to do as aprivate company?
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You're going to cut jobs.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
You're not going to do it.
Well, I mean, I would see.
If you want to keep yourbusiness going, you're going to
say okay, who can I cut?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, so not only are people going to be out of
business, but you are not goingto have the supply to the market
that you had.
So, yeah.
So let's just take milk, forinstance.
Let's just say 50 cents agallon milk.
They want 50 cents a gallonmilk.
Oh, great Milk is only 50 centsa gallon milk.
They want 50 cents a gallonmilk.
Oh, great Milk is only 50 centsa gallon because the government
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says so.
However, our shelves are barebecause nobody can afford to put
it there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, and so you have a supply crunch, which is
exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well and then.
So then what happens next?
Which is exactly what happened,well and then.
So then what happens next?
Does the government then bailout or help lift up?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
those companies or take over.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Exactly.
Then take control, which iscommunism.
Well, it seems like that's thepath, right?
Yeah, it is man.
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So about Nixon doing it what I did?
No show prep for this, I know Ithought you might just know
this.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So I mean how long?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
did it take us to get out?
Of that well, I do think sinceyou are 50 something years.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, right, and I wasn't even alive.
Yes, I know this occurred.
Oh, and when he?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
returned.
I, I like I was born in 73 andI think he was done in 74.
Is that right?
Because he had to?
You were here.
Then he had to step down.
Yeah, I was here.
So, uh, I, I want to say, boy,I can't say I, I'm okay, I I
don't know exactly, but I feellike it had.
Um, I think energy hadsomething to do with it and of
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course, we had the energy crisisand shortage later on, uh, in
the in the 70s.
Of course that was blamed onjimmy carter, rightfully so.
Um, but anyway, I just I haveto look into that somebody could
maybe, maybe.
Who was alive then?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
or who remembers somebody who's a real good
history buff.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yes, could maybe chime in and we could yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Enlighten us a little bit, exactly Because we're just
young, so price controls do notwork.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They have been implemented.
I think they still have certainthings that the government does
, and none of it's ever good.
So the government's alwaysmessing in the economy, always
they're messing with.
I remember, um, the story offdr having all of the, the
department of agriculture,destroying all of the.
Was it the hogs, all of thehogs during the great depression
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?
I mean it's just destroyingfood wholesale because it was.
The markets were tanking withtoo much supply and instead of
letting the market the freemarket to take to, you know,
work itself out yeah, itself outthe government has to get
involved.
A lot of that stuff is justit's anti, it's liberal, it's
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master planning.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But people, I think a lot of people, not a lot, but
some people kind of expect thegovernment to step in to fix it
and they almost expect well whydo they do it?
Why do people think that I hadthis discussion with my wife
earlier this week about I can'tspeak well to it, but the
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intentions of what FDR did, andthe intentions, I don't know
that necessarily.
I mean they were bad right, butI think that in doing that, you
have then caused generations tonow be dependent upon the
government, and so what happensto the government in that case?
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It becomes bigger, right,because more people are
quote-unquote, depending on it,voting for it.
And then also, you have takenGod-given talents, will from
people that you're supposed touse your individual liberties to
have your life Right.
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They've taken that away.
Yeah, they've taken away theGod-given skills that people
have had and said, no, don'tworry about that, you can rest
in us, right, that we'll takecare of you, we're not going to
drop you.
And it's really putting yourfocus on something that is very,
very worldly, which is thegovernment, I mean.
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But people see that assomething that could quote
unquote, bail them out.
I just see so many poordecisions coming from,
especially if you just lookstraight at printing money.
That just makes no sense at all.
Right, with the amount of moneythat gets read.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right.
Well, there's actually aninteresting story in the Bible
that kind of correlates withthat, and it's interesting
because I think God hassomething to say about it, which
is I think that's interestingBecause you won't hear pastors
or preachers actually talk aboutthis much and that's probably
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appropriate.
I'm not saying you shouldpreach this from the pulpit, but
it's the story of the prophetSamuel in the Bible, and Samuel
was the last of so the childrenof Israel.
Their story, if you'll remember, in the Bible, was that they
were slaves for 400 years inEgypt and then God, through
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Moses, rescued them and broughtthem eventually, 40 years later,
brought them into the PromisedLand, which is their land.
That was thousands, andthousands of years ago.
There's some Arabs that say it'stheirs now, but anyway, that's
some Arabs that say it's theirsnow, but anyway, that's a side
note.
So they're in the land ofIsrael and they don't have a
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king they have.
They have a priest and anentire family of of of Jews, the
Levites.
That were the priests, and sothey were kind of the
representatives between peopleand God and they were, you know,
brought the sacrifices to atonefor their sins and all this
kind of stuff.
But they didn't have a king andthey didn't have a central
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ruler and it was verydecentralized actually.
So the children of Israel hadtheir family leaders and you
know, each tribe there were 12tribes, so each tribe had its
own.
You know, decision, blah, blah,blah.
Well, they would, they wouldfall away from God and they
would get oppressed and Godwould raise up a leader to
deliver them, and so this wascalled the period of the judges,
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and Samson was one of them.
We all, everybody knows thestory of Samson super strong,
you know, destroys thePhilistines with the jawbone of
a donkey, a lot of those kindsof stories.
Deborah was another one.
I know God doesn't use women,but apparently he did in the
Bible, so I know there's somedenominations where you can't
use women.
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Anyway.
So she was in a position ofauthority and ruled over men.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So that was kind of and she was considered a judge
in the Bible sense.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She was actually a judge Anyway so you have this
period of time and Samuel wasthe last of the line of these
judges.
He was also a prophet and thepeople kind of like what you're
talking about.
They had it with personalresponsibility.
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Yeah, they had it withdecentralized.
You were responsible to takecare of this and you were
responsible the entire communityhad to come together to fight
their enemies, all this kind ofstuff, and they asked Samuel to
get them a king and, in theirwords, a king to fight our
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battles, like all the othernations.
They didn't want God, theydidn't want this relationship
that they had.
Now, what they had was unique,it was individual, it was
special and it was reallyinteresting because God was
pleased with it.
Okay, it was decentralized, itwas the people, and so we go
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from that to a single person theking, yeah, and the king, the
lord, told them he's going torule over, he's going to take.
He's going to take the best ofyour people, he's going to tax
you, he's going to take the bestof your lands.
People like, yeah, that's fine,that's great, because we don's
great, because we don't want tohave to think about
responsibility anymore, and sothere's kind of a correlation
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there and actually they enteredinto a little bit of judgment.
God judged them, was not happywith them, samuel was super
grieved about it and God saidlisten, they're not rejecting
you, samuel, they're rejectingme.
And but do what they do, do asthey say.
And of course then you knowthere's a long line of kings and
monarchy from then on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So so Samuel to Saul.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Samuel anointed Saul, who was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, but.
But it's really interestingbecause Saul was a disaster, yes
, but he didn't start out thatway, no, he didn't.
But then God said, all right, Ican meet you where you are,
yeah, and then he brought David.
Yeah, and David was a trainwreck in a lot of aspects, I
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mean, but, but a great, but areally great example of the?
Um, god's forgiveness, yes, andyeah, I mean just.
I mean, if you read, if youhear about the the, you know,
everybody knows about dave, daveand goliath.
But I mean, look at the rest ofthe guy's life, man, david, oh,
having somebody killed, I meanjust running from and just
making a lie, and then just likeweaving the web around, but
then like fully saying I messedup, giving it back to God, and
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God says, okay, I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So the difference?
What's the difference?
Because I'm fascinated by thedifference between Saul and
David, because Saul was rejectedby seemingly minor infractions,
right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Saul was rejected by God because he didn't fully do
what God said when he went to godestroy the Amalekites and he
didn't wait on Samuel, like hewas supposed to.
Yeah, those are the two things.
Was there another one with Saul?
I don't believe so.
No, I don't know.
I think that was it so, but theissue was and God just spelled
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it out the issue was the heart,david.
He constantly said David was aman after my own heart.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So David passionately loved the Lord and even though
he messed up, even though hesinned, he didn't just mess up,
he sinned, he intentionallysinned, did something very
wicked.
He was grief struck by theconviction when he was
confronted.
When he's finally seen his sinand he was blind to it, I mean
honestly, oh yeah, he did it andhe was blind to it.
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I mean honestly, he did it andhe was just wadi dadi da.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He wasn't sorry until it came.
Kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, kept doing it, and then, um, he was completely
broken before the Lord and he,he suffered terrible
consequences.
His entire I mean there werethe entire second half of his
kingdom, which is him runningfor his life, His, his sons
turning against him, and allthese kinds of crazy things were
a direct result of that sin.
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It was the trouble that wascoming.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And in the end the true redemption is the fact that
in his lineage was Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, wow, how do you make perfection out of?
I mean, read the names.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah Right.
Well, you look at the lineageof Jesus, perfection out of.
I mean, read the names yeahright, rahab, the harlot that
had hidden the spies when theywent over to Jericho she was in
the lineage.
And then Ruth, who's aMoabitess, she's not even a Jew,
she was in the lineage.
And then you have David, kingDavid, obviously, king David had
terrible disasters.
And then you know, you readthrough the kings and all of
(26:44):
those, and it's just, it'spretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It is, it really is, and maybe, to use kind of a
buzzword, that goes on thesedays, but the diversity inside
of the lineage of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't know if I've subscribed to that.
No, the diversity in it.
I mean, really think about itand don't get all like in the
world with the diversity aspect.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just saying, but we serve a God who loves that
Right.
Well, he created it.
Yeah, right, he created it.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, yep, so I think that's always been kind of a
thought process to me, a lesson.
The whole thing with Samuel wasGod delights to individually
deal with each one of us.
We kind of gravitate towardsyou know what?
I will give you liberty, andthis is the fight really.
(27:39):
I'll give you liberty, I willgive you independence and
freedom if you will give safetyand you will take care of my
needs.
And that's the trade that thatis always so dangerous for for
freedom, loving republics ordemocracies or whatever.
That is the temptation.
I think we gave away a lot ofour freedom after 911.
(28:02):
We said we don't wantterrorists to come in here and
do what they did.
It was terrible.
So therefore, we will let yousurveil us like crazy.
Just go ahead, just all of ourcommunications, you just go
wherever you want, you find outour bank, you know all this
stuff because we don't wantterrorists, right?
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But that's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
and so we see, we see , after the result of 9-11, the
department of homeland security,which is now, I mean, in all of
these things.
So when we have a crisis we'rewe're faced with, do we deal
with it or do we I mean, Iremember the whole argument or
do we give away our freedoms Iremember the whole argument or
do we give away our freedoms?
(28:45):
But I remember the wholeargument during 9-11.
You remember this where theytalked about some of our civil
liberties.
You know, these terrorists tookadvantage of us because of our
liberty and some of theseliberties we're probably going
to have to temper them if wereally want to be safe.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That argument went on them.
If we really want to be safe.
That argument went on In 2001,.
I was too young to even havetwo gray cells rubbed together.
I was 21, 22 years old.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That was smart, that was time to be smart.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I wish I would have been a little more wise back
then to be able to see that thenational mood was kind of like
okay, but we still need to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, there was a move to do this, to allow
surveillance to bring homelandsecurity.
But it didn't take too long,just a couple of years, and we
were all a lot of us, I think.
We're looking back going, uh,did we just?
Did we just create a monster?
I mean George W Bush, we, we, Imean we did, we trusted him.
(29:49):
Okay, he's got this Homelandsecurity.
It's George W Bush.
Oh, it'll be all right, right.
And then along comes Obama andyou're like holy cow, there's
Homeland security.
He's now in control of that.
That.
We've given access to everyaspect of our life.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So I mean we've seen the FBI, you know, weaponized.
The IRS was weaponized underObama.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
All of these agencies I just don't think we ever want
to give the government thatmakes a lot of sense, but I mean
in that time of fear and stress, and I think it's easy to do it
.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, you take your eyes.
What do we do with COVID?
I mean, honestly, it's the samething.
Um, we're all going to die.
So let's let the governmentshut our, shut our schools down,
shut our churches down, shutour businesses down.
And we're okay with that,because we're all going to die
if we don't, right?
(30:45):
I mean, that is what happened.
And these people who are behindthis, the agenda, they're not
stupid.
They know how this works Createa crisis, foment fear, and then
you can get your way.
And I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful that COVID has beenenough in our memory and we've
(31:08):
learned enough from it that thatis not going to be allowed, at
least in our lifetime, right?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, well, I hope that this generation learned
from those mistakes thathappened in the middle of that.
That didn't really come out theway it was supposed to no, and
maybe the things that they saidthat just did that didn't really
come out the way it wassupposed to no, and maybe the
things that they said that weregonna happen really never were
(31:33):
no, never were I mean whathappened and I hate to say this
happen what is the results?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
because I I was thinking about this right before
we went, went, uh, on the airand I don't think we're on the
air.
What are we?
We're streaming.
We're not on the air, right,we're not.
It's not an FB, it's not an FMradio station or anything.
So we're not on the air, but weare streaming.
Anyway, I thought about theconsequences of COVID.
Think about this, jimmy 30%rise in, close to 30% rise in
(32:04):
the cost of living, cost ofgoods.
That's a direct result ofshutting this, the greatest
economy in the world, down, andnot just ours, but a lot of
economies around the world didthe same thing.
Just completely crippling.
How many businesses totallychanged.
I mean fast food, restaurants Idon't care that they don't have
(32:27):
the glass anymore andeverybody's taking the masks off
.
They are not the same, they'redifferent.
The service is not nearly asgood, the food isn't near.
Everything has shifted.
In this country.
I don't know if we'll ever goback to groceries being
affordable unless we you know,like Donald Trump, which is our
(32:49):
chance to get that to happen.
But I mean there were a lot ofthings that took place as the
after effect, I think, of COVID,that are not good changes.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, I mean, even beyond the stuff that I saw, the
stuff that I saw that evenbeyond the economy, is the
mental damage that was done frompeople dying alone.
(33:20):
That's terrible, that's cruel.
Well, it's dying alone for one,but for two, it was those
amount of times where youweren't allowed to go see them.
Yeah, those years, I mean thoseweeks, those months, maybe a
year, where you weren't quoteunquote allowed to have contact.
(33:41):
In certain aspects, if thisfamily was all freaked out about
it, then they might not letsomebody come to you know,
grandparents come to their house, or they might do this or this,
but even if it was small, itstill planted seeds that I
really and I hope it doesn't,but I really think that will
(34:04):
really come back in thisgeneration, in this generation,
and manifest some other way.
Yeah, it's, either it's eitherrejection, it's it's I mean it's
it's not living up to what youthought you could be, or it's
just it's really gonna mess withthe mental state and just the
(34:25):
you know we're, we're gonna lookback.
I mean we do now already.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
we're going to look back I mean we do now already,
but we're going to look backeven five years from now on the
ridiculousness that was COVID,and we are going to be so
ashamed of ourselves as a nationthat we ever allowed that kind
of stuff to happen.
I mean, we we were me and youare reading a book.
We're going to hopefully try toreview it and chat about it
(34:47):
next episode.
I won't have a problem readingit, but you've got to listen to
the rest of it.
Anyway, but we were shamed inthe church if you didn't mask up
.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We were shamed.
Not everybody was.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, we were, you're right, Not every church, not
every church.
Oh, we were, you're right, notevery church, not every church,
not every church.
Oh, absolutely not.
But I was in a pretty big oneand we were, and there was a lot
of pressure to do yourChristian duty and get a shot,
because, you know, love yourneighbor.
With the shot, which was anexperimental poison shot,
basically it was horrible.
(35:23):
We've seen a lot of very badthings with that.
Basically it was horrible.
We've seen a lot of very badthings with that.
Um, and in fact they've pulledsome of them from the market and
other countries are banningthem.
It's just, it's been a disaster.
But I think we're going to lookback.
Especially I think that is theworst of all was the letting the
, letting the folks, the olderfolks, pass away alone in a room
(35:47):
in a stupid bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, how sick is that?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes, it was pretty bad.
Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what is the worst case scenario in reality?
Not in what they told us, butin reality.
If you had gone in there as aloved one, you'd have gotten
COVID.
Or you've gotten sniffles,you'd have gotten COVID.
And if you were healthy inthere as a loved one, you'd have
gotten COVID.
Or you've gotten sniffles,you'd have gotten COVID.
And if you were healthy, whocares?
Honestly, covid was not thebiggest killer that ever walked.
I mean, it just wasn't.
We didn't see the fatality ratethat they set.
(36:18):
It was minor.
You had to have extenuatingcircumstances in order to be
susceptible to death.
With COVID, everybody got it.
It didn't matter if we maskedor if we lived in a sealed
people lived in like sealedhouses for a year and then
they'd get it.
And how did that happen?
I mean, it was just absolutefear and panic.
(36:43):
And doctors actually were notallowed to be doctors.
We were mandated healthregulations from a political
organization.
An international politicalorganization was regulating and
the cdc were regulating what wecould and couldn't do, which has
never been done before in thehistory of medicine.
It's always it's always beenagain.
(37:04):
The grassroots level yeah,excuse me, in in medicine is the
same thing.
The doctor's your local doctor.
It's always been, again, thegrassroots level.
Yeah, excuse me, in medicineit's the same thing.
The doctor's your local doctor.
Hey, I don't know what'shappening, but let's try this,
let's figure this out.
This is working.
This is not working.
That's how medicine is supposedto be practiced.
Yeah, and instead we have theseguys that go, hey, we've got
these drug companies that reallywant to roll this shot out, and
(37:28):
go, hey, we've got these drugcompanies that really want to
roll this shot out, and we havea president that we want to
overthrow.
So we've got to have a majordisruption so that we can change
the rules of this election,stuff the ballot boxes and make
some.
And plus, if it takes Americadown, I mean, people don't
realize this, but the left-wingMarxists that are in this
country Do we just click for aminute?
(37:49):
Yeah, the left-wing Marxiststhat are in this country, they
don't mind if America is takendown a notch or two.
Yeah, because they think we'retoo cocky, too full of ourselves
.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, so I just I really I believe that we are
beings that are made to be incommunity.
Yeah, and we purposely isolatedpeople in a time when they're
supposed to be healing, and weinstilled fear, yeah, and that
(38:23):
was probably more deadly thanthe virus was to most people.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Fear like that should never be preached from a pulpit
, don't you think?
I mean, the message of thegospel is bold, courageous, it's
actually full of power.
Yeah, that God can heal you.
Yeah, I mean, god is a healer.
I know in a lot of Americanchurches we're ashamed of that.
I mean we really are.
We like to embrace ourinfirmities and sicknesses in
(38:52):
the church.
We do, because it's our badgeof suffering and we're being
glorified by our suffering, blah, blah, blah.
But the message of the gospelis healing is a part of it.
It is, I mean, it really is.
Jesus came to heal youphysically.
Yeah, I mean that message justdidn't.
And what a great time, wouldn'tthat have been amazing, if the
church had gone.
Well, I don't know about that.
I don't know about a doctor.
(39:13):
I don't know about shots, Idon't know about masking.
But if you come here and wepray for you, you're going to be
healed.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And we're going to believe that you'll be healed.
We're and you're going to behealed.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Oh, this is a great test of faith, right?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I mean because, well, regardless, Because I mean,
that's what we're called andcommanded to do.
Yes, I mean, jesus said I'mleaving.
Now you lay hands on the sickand they will recover.
These signs will follow you.
Yeah, I mean, this is the GreatCommission, it's in the Great
Commission and we just threwthat out because we're Americans
and we believe more in whatscience and logic and we don't
(39:53):
believe in the things of thespirit very much and the
individual responsibility wastaken away and we wanted the
government to bail us out.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Oh yeah, I mean, that was it.
What can you do to help us?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, I still can't believe that happened.
I mean, it's like it's neverhappened in the history of our
nation.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No, and it won't ever happen again.
I don't think, no, I don'tthink.
I mean, I think that thisgeneration will have to pass
away.
I think.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Before anybody will do it.
You don't think they'll try.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I do think they'll try, but I know the enemy never
does anything new.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Always the same old thing.
But that's the whole thingabout the deceiver.
He's very deceiving.
So I mean I just don't thinkthis generation is going to be
taken forward again.
Yeah, I hope not In that way.
I mean, he's deceiving becausehe tries to use different ways.
Yeah, yeah, Anyway.
Man got off on that one, didn'twe?
(40:50):
Wow, man, maybe we needed totalk about it Wrote me into
COVID.
Yeah, I know, well, speaking ofit, it's spiking 44 minutes.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh, wow, wow, all right, it's spiking.
What do you mean?
It's spiking?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I.
What do you mean?
It's spiking.
I saw something on my Googlethat said that COVID is spiking.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah or monkeypox.
I heard that that's the rage.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's something.
That's why, Andrew, I don'tthink anybody's going to take
the bait anymore.
Oh, I think we're over it.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I really do I think everybody's over it?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, I really do they had one shot.
I'd be interested to know who.
Never mind, I'm not going to gothere, but anyway, I just you
know.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Alright, so did we have any questions?
Anybody?
Not a question.
But Allison said sticking withthe blue theme.
I see, I wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I was going to say something, Allison.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm looking over at Jim.
She's not here right now.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Alright, well, allison, we saw your question,
your comment, and it's the bluething and the black glasses Last
week or last episode we lookedlike twins and that was
embarrassing.
But finding out you're over 50years old.
We're really far from twins,it's true, although we're the
same color.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Jimmy, it's not hard if you show up, I will say that,
okay.
So it's not hard to show up,looking like me if you wear a
blue shirt, because I wear a lotof blue.
You do, I do.
Your wife says you look good init.
I don't know if she said that.
Oh okay, did she tell you that?
Because she didn't tell mepretty sure that's not true uh,
um, anyway.
So you know, there's, there'sthat.
(42:29):
So what did you have?
Anybody else?
It looks like it.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Nope, all the other okay with the blue theme.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, okay, we can do that yeah, so next time we'll,
maybe we'll coordinate and youknow, you'll wear something
different and I'll wear anotherblue shirt.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
We should just continue to wear blue okay I
don't want to get all mikebrawny though, with the whole
blue shirt.
Brawny, what is he?
Remember mike braun when hewore the blue shirt, the whole,
everything he went to, he had ablue shirt.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
You know what people don't realize remember that is
no, but maybe vaguely, he helike they started playing it up
oh, did they really yeah, hewore this blue button-down shirt
all the time and it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
it was always like there's Mike Braun, he's got
that blue shirt on oh, that'sfunny.
You don't remember that when heran what?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
people don't realize is when you're running a
campaign you kind of have auniform.
You don't say you do.
It doesn't look like a uniform,yeah, but you do, because
you've got to have yourcampaigning clothes on, so
you've got.
I mean, it's just the truthCampaigning clothes.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah.
So you've got several pairs ofsomething that you're going to
be wearing all the time.
You don't show up in Bermudashorts and Hawaiian shirt.
I mean, it's just never goingto happen.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Unless you did every time Maybe, yeah, and then it's
your persona or Fetterman'shoodie.
No, that's Bruce Borders.
Yes, well, there you go, heplays it out.
Well, he shows up in the yesyeah, when you say kind of fancy
shirt, that's what he shows upin.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
So whatever you do when you're campaigning, you
want to have a look that definesyou, even if it's nerdy or
dorky, it doesn't matter.
Before you even get a platform,who cares about platforms?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
cares about platforms .
You're kamala.
You don't need a platform, justjust get a look first, that's
right and roll with it.
Okay, I want to know when theguy's going to come out with the
no shirt under the overalls.
Look, I think anybody will dothat.
I mean, there's got to besomething on the platform, maybe
.
Maybe a white shirt under it,but overalls yeah, where's
overalls to?
Everything.
Yeah, I think I think you couldwin doing that without a
(44:27):
platform.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think you could win .
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't know If anybody's interested in using me
as a consultant for yourcampaign.
It's jimmymccanna at gmail,yeah, or the MC Square podcast
at gmailcom.
If you're interested in gettingto us and you want us to help
with your campaign, overalls, noshirt under it americana baby
(44:52):
americana I went to the statefair on tuesday oh did you
really love the state fair.
It's super nice.
Um, I love that if you go there, they have this tractor thing
that you'd ride around on forfree and you just ride around
and just look at Hoosiers.
Man, it is the coolest thing inthe world.
I love, I love Indiana people.
I really do.
(45:13):
It's because they're just forone, they're just super nice and
they're just in all shapes andsizes and it is, it's absolutely
amazing.
I mean, it smells like itsmells like corn, because they
had that corn they're cookingright on the grill.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
It smells like cotton candy, it smells like marijuana
.
It smells like body funk All inone space there at the no, it
really I really love.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I heard it was packed , absolutely packed.
Oh my gosh, so you got to go on.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Tuesday.
Why I heard it was packed,absolutely packed.
Oh my gosh, so you got to go onTuesday.
Why Every eatery you go to hasa $2 item.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, my goodness, I think they ask all of them to do
that yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Just think about this you go in there with $10.
You can go to five differentplaces.
Get one thing from each one,you could try all kinds of stuff
.
Yeah, next year I, you can goto five different places.
Get one thing from each one,you could try all kinds of stuff
.
Next year I'll be going onTuesday again, and the rides
were super cheap on Tuesday too.
Did you ride some rides?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, I rode the rides with the kids.
I never ride the rides.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, I rode the rides with the kids.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
We eat a bunch of nasty food and then go ride the
rides and I actually made myselfreally sick on one of them and
I had to be done.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's why I don't ride the fair rides.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah Well, this is what stupid me.
So I go in and it says 15tickets for one ride.
I'm like 15 tickets, oh my gosh.
So I bought some tickets andfor the first ride I had, like
what did I have like 36 tickets?
The first ride said 15 ticketsand two kids were and I thought,
shoot, I got six tickets left.
So I went and bought moretickets, find out it was only
(46:52):
using four tickets.
So at the end I had I had 44tickets left on and they do it
on a little credit card now theydo on a little credit card.
And so I had to go and start,like I had to scout my credit
card and I said, hey, trust me,there's 11 rides in this thing.
Right, right, I messed up, I'llgive you half price and I got
$20 out of it.
(47:12):
I mean, I lost $20.
Wow, I mean, what are you goingto do with that card?
But it's the new thing now theygot these cards that you load
instead of having the tickets.
It's easier for the carnies.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
How much longer is the fair going?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
It's done.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Sunday it's done.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Sunday yeah, oh, it goes for two weeks, right.
Two weeks, yeah, and it'll bein on Sunday.
I've been to the state fair ina while, I love the state fair.
It's a lot of fun.
The food is amazing.
I love the corn on the cob, thecrazy food.
I love the corn on the cob, Imean, and the Well, we probably
should wrap up.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Folks, thank you for watching and also listening.
This will be obviously uploadedto the podcasting service that
you subscribe to, whether it'sSpotify or Apple or whatever.
Google, yep, google, andthey've been kind of rapid fire.
We uploaded two episodes thisweek, even though they were live
(48:08):
on facebook, and all that.
We didn't get the audio sortedout and put on there.
So we're gonna probably, uhdrew, do a better job on this
one and get this up a littlesooner.
But, um, folks, we reallyappreciate, uh, all of the
participation.
We get lots of nice comments.
Um, we know that a lot of youwatch and we were hoping for
some questions, but maybe youcould email those to
(48:31):
themcsquaredpodcast at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And say you would like us to answer it on air.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We could do that too.
We could totally do that, orobviously on Facebook or X or
the YouTube channel.
You can just let us know.
So I think hopefully next timewe're going to do a little bit
of chatting about a, agroundbreaking book.
It just came out two weeks ago,so by the time we talk about it
it'll be a month.
But really that's, that's nottoo.
(48:58):
That's not too long to talkabout.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You're really excited about this book.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Well, because it's kind of in line with things I've
said before and felt already along time.
So it's just kind of some youknow anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
It's just a little bit of a teaser.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well, it's politics in the church and it's kind of
the infiltration and interestinghow it's happening and the
money when is the money comingfrom?
Where is the money coming from?
Very good, Anyway, folks.
We hope you have a wonderfulevening.
Thank you for listening to usand we will see you guys next
time Later.
All right, welcome to the MC Squared podcast.
This is episode 30.
30.
3-0.
And thanks for being here.
We're live.
Jimmy McKenna, andrew McNeilHello, and so what's been going
on?
Andrew?
That's how we always start.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I know it is Well you just got back from a vacation,
but it was kind of a.
It is Well, you just got backfrom a vacation, but it was kind
of a kid tournament type.
You know, jimmy, you're notalone in that either.
I hear a lot of parents thattake these vacations and they're
either with travel ball orwhatever your kids were in a
disc golf tournament, right?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played in Amateur Worlds Disc Golf up in
Grand Rapids, michigan, and wehaven't spent a ton of time in
Michigan but it was really nice.
I actually got chilly one dayup there, which was kind of cool
.
One thing they always say aboutMichigan is they're always
doing road construction.
But one thing I didn't noticeabout the road construction they
were done in one day.
They could do roads so fast.
(01:00):
I'm like they will do I-70 foran entire season, our lifetime,
yes, yeah.
And also part of I-70.
I'm sure you heard but it'sgoing to go three lane.
Well, it needs to.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's going to go.
It has to.
No, I didn't hear this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
How long is it going to take to be three lane?
How long is it going?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
to take them to find an alternate path, because it's
going to be miserable.
I kind of feel like they shouldjust build a new highway
without.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Just build the three lanes nextto it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean that's too expensive, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But no, but it was really cool.
You know, I'd really do likeMichigan.
It was a really nice state.
I mean it really would be kindof a cool place to stay.
Did you see Lake Michigan atall?
No, not really.
We kind of drove by it, but notreally Last time we did some
stuff near Lake Michigan in it.
But you know, it's kind of oneof those weird it's a little bit
(02:02):
of a weird state because anystate that I feel like has
legalized marijuana.
You smell it all over the placeand so you know immediately
when you get in they startthey're selling it.
It's glorified beyond it's aweird feeling, isn't it?
it's a little bit odd becauseyou're like what?
No, okay, whatever, so um, butanyway, people were super nice
(02:23):
but after a while did you calmdown.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Chilled out real well .
I mean it was fine.
Grand Rapids is a reallyinteresting city in the fact
that it's really easy to getaround.
They have a 465, which is notas big, but they've got a really
interesting way to get on andoff of it where you can stay on
it and it doesn't slow you down.
And, really interesting, therewasn't a lot of like around the
(02:51):
city, there wasn't a lot ofrough areas.
It was a lot of affluent orjust well-maintained places,
which I thought was nice.
But anyway, the kids did prettywell and they had really nice
courses up there for disc golf.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Was there a lot of kids up there?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, actually there were two groups.
They're called Amateur Men andAmateur Women, and so the women
are about 119 of them from allacross the world.
Okay, they had some from Sweden.
A lot of Canadians came.
Couldn't imagine coming allover to play disc golf for five
days from Europe.
And then from the men's sidethey're from all different
(03:28):
countries New Zealand, Japan.
I mean you come to Michigan toplay disc golf, man, I would
hope that you'd win, because ifyou come and play really poor,
you travel a long way to throw apiece of plastic.
It's a lot.
But the people were so nice and, if you're not familiar, disc
golf community is super laidback and probably meshes really
(03:50):
well with the what happens inMichigan, but they're really
easy to get along with.
So that's, that's one reallycool thing.
So, and even if you're having abad round, it's very similar to
to what what I would call stickgolf.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Really no, no, no no it's, it's all it is a.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
it is a life lesson and you know how golf is.
It's a life lesson of I made abad shot.
I need to forget it, that'sright.
And go to the next and,honestly, there's a lot of life
lessons in that too.
And disc golf is the same way,because once it gets in your
head, we call them sprinklers,because you're just throwing it
(04:31):
like a sprinkler wherever it'sgoing.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You turn it into a sprinkler system.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Anyway, it was a good time.
It was a good break from work.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I heard Connor, your son Connor, got an ace.
This time he did, he got an ace.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
This time he did.
He got an ace and luckily therewas a guy videoing.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, that works, so that was kind of neat.
They have television coverageof this too a lot of times,
don't they?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, the top card, they follow it and then they
post it the next day.
A lot of people like to watchit back, so it was something
kind of neat.
Anyway, yeah, he got an aceback in 2021 in kansas when he
was playing junior worlds, or2020 in kansas, and so that
wasn't filmed.
But you know, it's kind of coolthat he got an ace.
(05:15):
I mean, no, I've never aced inmy life.
That kid has got probably 30.
Your son, I don't know how manyhe has that's the first one.
I saw your son get Daniel.
He sat inside the basket atDeming and they posted it online
and he got absolutely trolledfor it.
Get out of the basket.
You're not supposed to be inthere.
(05:35):
He sat in the basket, he'sbreaking it down.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He sat in the basket.
Yeah Well, it's probably my sonthat said hey, daniel, when do
you?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
get the basket he's like oh sure, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So Daniel can't?
I mean he's starting to try toplay again, but he kind of got
that tennis elbow yeah, and soit kind of took him out this
year, which he really hated tomiss.
I mean, he's getting older,it's not as easy to do 21.
21.
When you get a job.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Getting older 21.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, but he's got some kind of a brace and he's
rested it all year, so I thinkhe's going to try to go out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He did.
He played yesterday yeah, Idon't know Two days ago, I don't
know if you remember that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, he didn't tell me how it went he played really
well.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, good Back on it .
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It felt all right.
You think I didn't know aboutthat, but the score was good.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He does live in my house, that's all that matters
at 21 years old Was your score.
Okay, Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, I got a little bit of golf.
I played.
I play golf about once a year.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So I had a golf outing one day.
Was it free golf?
Well, the company pays for it.
It Free golf?
Well, the company pays for it.
It's for charity.
It was for a good cause, forMake-A-Wish.
So one of my good customers,new Course Steel, puts it on in
Crawfordsville.
It's a Crawfordsville countryclub.
We go every year and I just Itry, jimmy, not to embarrass
(07:02):
myself honestly I got kind ofserious about it this year.
So I went out and I, I, I did alittle bit of golfing a couple
of times.
I took drew a one time.
Uh, just beforehand, just toyou know, make sure you can
still, yeah and um, I wasn'tgoing in with a lot of
confidence but I thought, hey,you know, I've swung the ball,
(07:24):
I've swung the ball, I've swungthe club.
Uh, enough that that I feellike you know, I'm not going to
be totally well.
What I've discovered is that ifyou don't play um all the time,
your body does not remember,your muscle memory does not
remember that that swing so umlate in each round, both
(07:45):
practice and the one when I wasthere, I just started falling
apart because I couldn't do itLike I couldn't do the swing
right.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That makes sense, I just got so tired.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm 50 years old and I'm just it's a lot, but I had a
blast.
It was really really, reallygood weather and really a good
time.
You're not 50.
I'm 50.
You just turned 50.
I'm 50.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And so I'm going to.
You just turned 50?
.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm 50.
I'll be 51 this year.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So Jimmy's like man.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I am on an OG network .
I thought you were like 48.
The OG network, rachel Katstra,just the old O network, not the
G.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, so I'm going to have to start golfing more.
That's what I've figured out.
I just need to do it.
You know, once a month gogolfing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh man, that would help a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and I enjoy it.
I really enjoy it.
I always do.
My chipping is absolutelyabhorrent.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's abhorrent, it's terrible, it takes a lot of
touch to do that and a lot ofpractice.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Bad, but my putting was amazing, I will have to say
putting was pretty good anyway.
So we got out of there, uh, andI wouldn't say dead last, but
close to last out of all theteams well, is that one?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
is that one of those where you can like buy mulligans
and whatnot?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean I never trust that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's always the construction guys that win those
all the time and you're like,yeah, yeah, I think 11 or 12
under, 12, 11 under might havebeen the winner.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Uh, we were lucky if we got one under that's usually
where my team is yeah, and itwas, but we, like I said, we had
a really good time.
They they serve you, um, theyserve you lunch, and then ice
cream halfway through, and thenfree drinks Non-alcoholic for me
, of course, but there was somealcoholic drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That actually helps your play, because everybody
else doesn't play quite as well.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
They seem to play better when they have a few
drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, people always say that and it's never true.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's never true.
There was a putting contest andyou were allowed to practice as
many times as you wanted, whichI thought was kind of funny.
My first practice shot gotabout this close to the hole.
Really, oh, this is great.
So then I yeah.
When I took my two shots, itwas nowhere close.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Anyway, that was my week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, it's just full of sports.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
All right.
So we had Donald Trump doing aSpaces with Elon Musk
conversation, and did you hearany of it?
Did you listen to any?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
of it.
I heard a little bit.
I think I heard some soundbites from it.
I'm trying to think of whatpart it was.
Um, I don't know.
They talk about kamala andstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They talked about everything a lot of issues,
anything basic, everything wason the table, and what I liked
was it was just an easy going.
There was a conversation elonwas.
They were both kind of talkingover each other sometimes, um,
which I think was good.
It's just.
It was natural Elon was pushingback on nuclear energy and I
(10:50):
think how safe it was, and sothey had some back and forth on
that.
It was a friendly disagreementand I just thought it was really
good for our politics and goodfor the country that you hear
from your presidential candidate.
Yeah, the democrat party seemsto hide their candidates away.
(11:10):
I don't know if you've noticedthat, but when joe biden was
running, they kept him in thebasement, shielded him from
everybody, and that was becausehe had the dementia and the
mental decline that we all knowhe had.
And we see, um, and they'rekind of doing the same with
Kamala right now.
She hasn't had a pressconference, she hasn't had any
(11:30):
kind of serious presentation tothe media on what her stands are
or what your policies are goingto be, although she did adopt
Trump's no tax on tips.
Did you see that?
Uh-uh, yes, she adopted it.
Oh, my goodness, it's her standnow.
It's so hilarious.
So this Friday she's going tocome out with a big statement
(11:55):
policy on the economy oreconomic policy, oh my gosh and
she is going to.
the rumor is, or kind of thepre-release is, that she is
going to advocate for pricecontrols, to bring the price of
groceries and all these thingsdown.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Price controls, price controls, so the government's
going to control the prices.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Which we know for a fact, absolutely tanks the
economy.
It is a devastating thing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But a lot of people will hear that and they'll be
like heck yeah control the price.
Oh, I think, andrew, a lot ofpeople don't understand.
I don't understand, they don'tunderstand it and they don't
understand the fact that whenyou give, when you give
everybody, uh, a check, thatmoney's not going to be worth as
(12:44):
much.
Or when you're printing moneycontinuously, that money's not
worth as much People don't thinkabout.
I mean, it's all about lookingdown the road instead of two
inches in front of your face,and I think that if you just
listen to that at face value,you probably think, heck, yeah,
we're getting gouged, so we needto have a price control.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm really, I'm serious, I really think a lot of
people feel that way I thinkyou're right.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think probably like 70, 80% of people feel that way
.
I'm dead serious?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, okay, so then it would behoove us to take a
look at history.
I think the last time,certainly the last time, a
Republican ever advocated andimplemented price controls was
Richard Nixon, which he did inthe 70s.
It absolutely was a devastatingthing that they had to reverse.
We learned our lesson.
(13:30):
Then you have these things thatare economic, sorry economic
theory, and then you have whereit's actually played out in real
life and we see theconsequences.
We see whether it works orwhether it doesn't work.
And that is one of those.
Price controls was what the HugoChavez in Venezuela implemented
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that destroyed his country,absolutely devastated his
country.
Nixon did the same thing.
We had to pull out of it andreverse course.
It's a well-known result.
I mean, just think about it.
If you're a private company andyou are, say you have a
profitable item, but it's you'renot, I mean you're not gouging
(14:15):
anybody.
These people that think they're, these grocery suppliers, are
gouging people.
Um, so you've got a profitableitem and the government comes
and says you have to sell thesame item, provide, provide it
for all that you're doing, butyou got to take 30% off the top,
or 40% or half, and that's yoursell.
What are you going to do as aprivate company?
(14:37):
You're going to cut jobs.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
You're not going to do it.
Well, I mean, I would see.
If you want to keep yourbusiness going, you're going to
say okay, who can I cut?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, so not only are people going to be out of
business, but you are not goingto have the supply to the market
that you had.
So, yeah.
So let's just take milk, forinstance.
Let's just say 50 cents agallon milk.
They want 50 cents a gallonmilk.
Oh, great Milk is only 50 centsa gallon milk.
They want 50 cents a gallonmilk.
Oh, great Milk is only 50 centsa gallon because the government
(15:09):
says so.
However, our shelves are barebecause nobody can afford to put
it there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, and so you have a supply crunch, which is
exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well and then.
So then what happens next?
Which is exactly what happened,well and then.
So then what happens next?
Does the government then bailout or help lift up?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
those companies or take over.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Exactly.
Then take control, which iscommunism.
Well, it seems like that's thepath, right?
Yeah, it is man.
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So about Nixon doing it what I did?
No show prep for this, I know Ithought you might just know
this.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So I mean how long?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
did it take us to get out?
Of that well, I do think sinceyou are 50 something years.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, right, and I wasn't even alive.
Yes, I know this occurred.
Oh, and when he?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
returned.
I, I like I was born in 73 andI think he was done in 74.
Is that right?
Because he had to?
You were here.
Then he had to step down.
Yeah, I was here.
So, uh, I, I want to say, boy,I can't say I, I'm okay, I I
don't know exactly, but I feellike it had.
Um, I think energy hadsomething to do with it and of
(16:24):
course, we had the energy crisisand shortage later on, uh, in
the in the 70s.
Of course that was blamed onjimmy carter, rightfully so.
Um, but anyway, I just I haveto look into that somebody could
maybe, maybe.
Who was alive then?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
or who remembers somebody who's a real good
history buff.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yes, could maybe chime in and we could yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Enlighten us a little bit, exactly Because we're just
young, so price controls do notwork.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They have been implemented.
I think they still have certainthings that the government does
, and none of it's ever good.
So the government's alwaysmessing in the economy, always
they're messing with.
I remember, um, the story offdr having all of the, the
department of agriculture,destroying all of the.
Was it the hogs, all of thehogs during the great depression
(17:13):
?
I mean it's just destroyingfood wholesale because it was.
The markets were tanking withtoo much supply and instead of
letting the market the freemarket to take to, you know,
work itself out yeah, itself outthe government has to get
involved.
A lot of that stuff is justit's anti, it's liberal, it's
(17:36):
master planning.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But people, I think a lot of people, not a lot, but
some people kind of expect thegovernment to step in to fix it
and they almost expect well whydo they do it?
Why do people think that I hadthis discussion with my wife
earlier this week about I can'tspeak well to it, but the
(18:02):
intentions of what FDR did, andthe intentions, I don't know
that necessarily.
I mean they were bad right, butI think that in doing that, you
have then caused generations tonow be dependent upon the
government, and so what happensto the government in that case?
(18:26):
It becomes bigger, right,because more people are
quote-unquote, depending on it,voting for it.
And then also, you have takenGod-given talents, will from
people that you're supposed touse your individual liberties to
have your life Right.
(18:50):
They've taken that away.
Yeah, they've taken away theGod-given skills that people
have had and said, no, don'tworry about that, you can rest
in us, right, that we'll takecare of you, we're not going to
drop you.
And it's really putting yourfocus on something that is very,
very worldly, which is thegovernment, I mean.
(19:11):
But people see that assomething that could quote
unquote, bail them out.
I just see so many poordecisions coming from,
especially if you just lookstraight at printing money.
That just makes no sense at all.
Right, with the amount of moneythat gets read.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right.
Well, there's actually aninteresting story in the Bible
that kind of correlates withthat, and it's interesting
because I think God hassomething to say about it, which
is I think that's interestingBecause you won't hear pastors
or preachers actually talk aboutthis much and that's probably
(19:47):
appropriate.
I'm not saying you shouldpreach this from the pulpit, but
it's the story of the prophetSamuel in the Bible, and Samuel
was the last of so the childrenof Israel.
Their story, if you'll remember, in the Bible, was that they
were slaves for 400 years inEgypt and then God, through
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Moses, rescued them and broughtthem eventually, 40 years later,
brought them into the PromisedLand, which is their land.
That was thousands, andthousands of years ago.
There's some Arabs that say it'stheirs now, but anyway, that's
some Arabs that say it's theirsnow, but anyway, that's a side
note.
So they're in the land ofIsrael and they don't have a
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king they have.
They have a priest and anentire family of of of Jews, the
Levites.
That were the priests, and sothey were kind of the
representatives between peopleand God and they were, you know,
brought the sacrifices to atonefor their sins and all this
kind of stuff.
But they didn't have a king andthey didn't have a central
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ruler and it was verydecentralized actually.
So the children of Israel hadtheir family leaders and you
know, each tribe there were 12tribes, so each tribe had its
own.
You know, decision, blah, blah,blah.
Well, they would, they wouldfall away from God and they
would get oppressed and Godwould raise up a leader to
deliver them, and so this wascalled the period of the judges,
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and Samson was one of them.
We all, everybody knows thestory of Samson super strong,
you know, destroys thePhilistines with the jawbone of
a donkey, a lot of those kindsof stories.
Deborah was another one.
I know God doesn't use women,but apparently he did in the
Bible, so I know there's somedenominations where you can't
use women.
(21:37):
Anyway.
So she was in a position ofauthority and ruled over men.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So that was kind of and she was considered a judge
in the Bible sense.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She was actually a judge Anyway so you have this
period of time and Samuel wasthe last of the line of these
judges.
He was also a prophet and thepeople kind of like what you're
talking about.
They had it with personalresponsibility.
(22:07):
Yeah, they had it withdecentralized.
You were responsible to takecare of this and you were
responsible the entire communityhad to come together to fight
their enemies, all this kind ofstuff, and they asked Samuel to
get them a king and, in theirwords, a king to fight our
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battles, like all the othernations.
They didn't want God, theydidn't want this relationship
that they had.
Now, what they had was unique,it was individual, it was
special and it was reallyinteresting because God was
pleased with it.
Okay, it was decentralized, itwas the people, and so we go
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from that to a single person theking, yeah, and the king, the
lord, told them he's going torule over, he's going to take.
He's going to take the best ofyour people, he's going to tax
you, he's going to take the bestof your lands.
People like, yeah, that's fine,that's great, because we don's
great, because we don't want tohave to think about
responsibility anymore, and sothere's kind of a correlation
(23:13):
there and actually they enteredinto a little bit of judgment.
God judged them, was not happywith them, samuel was super
grieved about it and God saidlisten, they're not rejecting
you, samuel, they're rejectingme.
And but do what they do, do asthey say.
And of course then you knowthere's a long line of kings and
monarchy from then on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So so Samuel to Saul.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Samuel anointed Saul, who was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, but.
But it's really interestingbecause Saul was a disaster, yes
, but he didn't start out thatway, no, he didn't.
But then God said, all right, Ican meet you where you are,
yeah, and then he brought David.
Yeah, and David was a trainwreck in a lot of aspects, I
(24:12):
mean, but, but a great, but areally great example of the?
Um, god's forgiveness, yes, andyeah, I mean just.
I mean, if you read, if youhear about the the, you know,
everybody knows about dave, daveand goliath.
But I mean, look at the rest ofthe guy's life, man, david, oh,
having somebody killed, I meanjust running from and just
making a lie, and then just likeweaving the web around, but
then like fully saying I messedup, giving it back to God, and
(24:37):
God says, okay, I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So the difference?
What's the difference?
Because I'm fascinated by thedifference between Saul and
David, because Saul was rejectedby seemingly minor infractions,
right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Saul was rejected by God because he didn't fully do
what God said when he went to godestroy the Amalekites and he
didn't wait on Samuel, like hewas supposed to.
Yeah, those are the two things.
Was there another one with Saul?
I don't believe so.
No, I don't know.
I think that was it so, but theissue was and God just spelled
(25:17):
it out the issue was the heart,david.
He constantly said David was aman after my own heart.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So David passionately loved the Lord and even though
he messed up, even though hesinned, he didn't just mess up,
he sinned, he intentionallysinned, did something very
wicked.
He was grief struck by theconviction when he was
confronted.
When he's finally seen his sinand he was blind to it, I mean
honestly, oh yeah, he did it andhe was blind to it.
(25:44):
I mean honestly, he did it andhe was just wadi dadi da.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He wasn't sorry until it came.
Kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, kept doing it, and then, um, he was completely
broken before the Lord and he,he suffered terrible
consequences.
His entire I mean there werethe entire second half of his
kingdom, which is him runningfor his life, His, his sons
turning against him, and allthese kinds of crazy things were
a direct result of that sin.
(26:08):
It was the trouble that wascoming.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And in the end the true redemption is the fact that
in his lineage was Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, wow, how do you make perfection out of?
I mean, read the names.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah Right.
Well, you look at the lineageof Jesus, perfection out of.
I mean, read the names yeahright, rahab, the harlot that
had hidden the spies when theywent over to Jericho she was in
the lineage.
And then Ruth, who's aMoabitess, she's not even a Jew,
she was in the lineage.
And then you have David, kingDavid, obviously, king David had
terrible disasters.
And then you know, you readthrough the kings and all of
(26:44):
those, and it's just, it'spretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It is, it really is, and maybe, to use kind of a
buzzword, that goes on thesedays, but the diversity inside
of the lineage of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't know if I've subscribed to that.
No, the diversity in it.
I mean, really think about itand don't get all like in the
world with the diversity aspect.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just saying, but we serve a God who loves that
Right.
Well, he created it.
Yeah, right, he created it.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, yep, so I think that's always been kind of a
thought process to me, a lesson.
The whole thing with Samuel wasGod delights to individually
deal with each one of us.
We kind of gravitate towardsyou know what?
I will give you liberty, andthis is the fight really.
(27:39):
I'll give you liberty, I willgive you independence and
freedom if you will give safetyand you will take care of my
needs.
And that's the trade that thatis always so dangerous for for
freedom, loving republics ordemocracies or whatever.
That is the temptation.
I think we gave away a lot ofour freedom after 911.
(28:02):
We said we don't wantterrorists to come in here and
do what they did.
It was terrible.
So therefore, we will let yousurveil us like crazy.
Just go ahead, just all of ourcommunications, you just go
wherever you want, you find outour bank, you know all this
stuff because we don't wantterrorists, right?
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But that's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
and so we see, we see , after the result of 9-11, the
department of homeland security,which is now, I mean, in all of
these things.
So when we have a crisis we'rewe're faced with, do we deal
with it or do we I mean, Iremember the whole argument or
do we give away our freedoms Iremember the whole argument or
do we give away our freedoms?
(28:45):
But I remember the wholeargument during 9-11.
You remember this where theytalked about some of our civil
liberties.
You know, these terrorists tookadvantage of us because of our
liberty and some of theseliberties we're probably going
to have to temper them if wereally want to be safe.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That argument went on them.
If we really want to be safe.
That argument went on In 2001,.
I was too young to even havetwo gray cells rubbed together.
I was 21, 22 years old.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That was smart, that was time to be smart.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I wish I would have been a little more wise back
then to be able to see that thenational mood was kind of like
okay, but we still need to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, there was a move to do this, to allow
surveillance to bring homelandsecurity.
But it didn't take too long,just a couple of years, and we
were all a lot of us, I think.
We're looking back going, uh,did we just?
Did we just create a monster?
I mean George W Bush, we, we, Imean we did, we trusted him.
(29:49):
Okay, he's got this Homelandsecurity.
It's George W Bush.
Oh, it'll be all right, right.
And then along comes Obama andyou're like holy cow, there's
Homeland security.
He's now in control of that.
That.
We've given access to everyaspect of our life.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So I mean we've seen the FBI, you know, weaponized.
The IRS was weaponized underObama.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
All of these agencies I just don't think we ever want
to give the government thatmakes a lot of sense, but I mean
in that time of fear and stress, and I think it's easy to do it
.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, you take your eyes.
What do we do with COVID?
I mean, honestly, it's the samething.
Um, we're all going to die.
So let's let the governmentshut our, shut our schools down,
shut our churches down, shutour businesses down.
And we're okay with that,because we're all going to die
if we don't, right?
(30:45):
I mean, that is what happened.
And these people who are behindthis, the agenda, they're not
stupid.
They know how this works Createa crisis, foment fear, and then
you can get your way.
And I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful that COVID has beenenough in our memory and we've
(31:08):
learned enough from it that thatis not going to be allowed, at
least in our lifetime, right?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, well, I hope that this generation learned
from those mistakes thathappened in the middle of that.
That didn't really come out theway it was supposed to no, and
maybe the things that they saidthat just did that didn't really
come out the way it wassupposed to no, and maybe the
things that they said that weregonna happen really never were
(31:33):
no, never were I mean whathappened and I hate to say this
happen what is the results?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
because I I was thinking about this right before
we went, went, uh, on the airand I don't think we're on the
air.
What are we?
We're streaming.
We're not on the air, right,we're not.
It's not an FB, it's not an FMradio station or anything.
So we're not on the air, but weare streaming.
Anyway, I thought about theconsequences of COVID.
Think about this, jimmy 30%rise in, close to 30% rise in
(32:04):
the cost of living, cost ofgoods.
That's a direct result ofshutting this, the greatest
economy in the world, down, andnot just ours, but a lot of
economies around the world didthe same thing.
Just completely crippling.
How many businesses totallychanged.
I mean fast food, restaurants Idon't care that they don't have
(32:27):
the glass anymore andeverybody's taking the masks off
.
They are not the same, they'redifferent.
The service is not nearly asgood, the food isn't near.
Everything has shifted.
In this country.
I don't know if we'll ever goback to groceries being
affordable unless we you know,like Donald Trump, which is our
(32:49):
chance to get that to happen.
But I mean there were a lot ofthings that took place as the
after effect, I think, of COVID,that are not good changes.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, I mean, even beyond the stuff that I saw, the
stuff that I saw that evenbeyond the economy, is the
mental damage that was done frompeople dying alone.
(33:20):
That's terrible, that's cruel.
Well, it's dying alone for one,but for two, it was those
amount of times where youweren't allowed to go see them.
Yeah, those years, I mean thoseweeks, those months, maybe a
year, where you weren't quoteunquote allowed to have contact.
(33:41):
In certain aspects, if thisfamily was all freaked out about
it, then they might not letsomebody come to you know,
grandparents come to their house, or they might do this or this,
but even if it was small, itstill planted seeds that I
really and I hope it doesn't,but I really think that will
(34:04):
really come back in thisgeneration, in this generation,
and manifest some other way.
Yeah, it's, either it's eitherrejection, it's it's I mean it's
it's not living up to what youthought you could be, or it's
just it's really gonna mess withthe mental state and just the
(34:25):
you know we're, we're gonna lookback.
I mean we do now already.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
we're going to look back I mean we do now already,
but we're going to look backeven five years from now on the
ridiculousness that was COVID,and we are going to be so
ashamed of ourselves as a nationthat we ever allowed that kind
of stuff to happen.
I mean, we we were me and youare reading a book.
We're going to hopefully try toreview it and chat about it
(34:47):
next episode.
I won't have a problem readingit, but you've got to listen to
the rest of it.
Anyway, but we were shamed inthe church if you didn't mask up
.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We were shamed.
Not everybody was.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, we were, you're right, Not every church, not
every church.
Oh, we were, you're right, notevery church, not every church,
not every church.
Oh, absolutely not.
But I was in a pretty big oneand we were, and there was a lot
of pressure to do yourChristian duty and get a shot,
because, you know, love yourneighbor.
With the shot, which was anexperimental poison shot,
basically it was horrible.
(35:23):
We've seen a lot of very badthings with that.
Basically it was horrible.
We've seen a lot of very badthings with that.
Um, and in fact they've pulledsome of them from the market and
other countries are banningthem.
It's just, it's been a disaster.
But I think we're going to lookback.
Especially I think that is theworst of all was the letting the
, letting the folks, the olderfolks, pass away alone in a room
(35:47):
in a stupid bubble.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, how sick is that?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes, it was pretty bad.
Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what is the worst case scenario in reality?
Not in what they told us, butin reality.
If you had gone in there as aloved one, you'd have gotten
COVID.
Or you've gotten sniffles,you'd have gotten COVID.
And if you were healthy inthere as a loved one, you'd have
gotten COVID.
Or you've gotten sniffles,you'd have gotten COVID.
And if you were healthy, whocares?
Honestly, covid was not thebiggest killer that ever walked.
I mean, it just wasn't.
We didn't see the fatality ratethat they set.
(36:18):
It was minor.
You had to have extenuatingcircumstances in order to be
susceptible to death.
With COVID, everybody got it.
It didn't matter if we maskedor if we lived in a sealed
people lived in like sealedhouses for a year and then
they'd get it.
And how did that happen?
I mean, it was just absolutefear and panic.
(36:43):
And doctors actually were notallowed to be doctors.
We were mandated healthregulations from a political
organization.
An international politicalorganization was regulating and
the cdc were regulating what wecould and couldn't do, which has
never been done before in thehistory of medicine.
It's always it's always beenagain.
(37:04):
The grassroots level yeah,excuse me, in in medicine is the
same thing.
The doctor's your local doctor.
It's always been, again, thegrassroots level.
Yeah, excuse me, in medicineit's the same thing.
The doctor's your local doctor.
Hey, I don't know what'shappening, but let's try this,
let's figure this out.
This is working.
This is not working.
That's how medicine is supposedto be practiced.
Yeah, and instead we have theseguys that go, hey, we've got
these drug companies that reallywant to roll this shot out, and
(37:28):
go, hey, we've got these drugcompanies that really want to
roll this shot out, and we havea president that we want to
overthrow.
So we've got to have a majordisruption so that we can change
the rules of this election,stuff the ballot boxes and make
some.
And plus, if it takes Americadown, I mean, people don't
realize this, but the left-wingMarxists that are in this
country Do we just click for aminute?
(37:49):
Yeah, the left-wing Marxiststhat are in this country, they
don't mind if America is takendown a notch or two.
Yeah, because they think we'retoo cocky, too full of ourselves
.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, so I just I really I believe that we are
beings that are made to be incommunity.
Yeah, and we purposely isolatedpeople in a time when they're
supposed to be healing, and weinstilled fear, yeah, and that
(38:23):
was probably more deadly thanthe virus was to most people.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Fear like that should never be preached from a pulpit
, don't you think?
I mean, the message of thegospel is bold, courageous, it's
actually full of power.
Yeah, that God can heal you.
Yeah, I mean, god is a healer.
I know in a lot of Americanchurches we're ashamed of that.
I mean we really are.
We like to embrace ourinfirmities and sicknesses in
(38:52):
the church.
We do, because it's our badgeof suffering and we're being
glorified by our suffering, blah, blah, blah.
But the message of the gospelis healing is a part of it.
It is, I mean, it really is.
Jesus came to heal youphysically.
Yeah, I mean that message justdidn't.
And what a great time, wouldn'tthat have been amazing, if the
church had gone.
Well, I don't know about that.
I don't know about a doctor.
(39:13):
I don't know about shots, Idon't know about masking.
But if you come here and wepray for you, you're going to be
healed.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And we're going to believe that you'll be healed.
We're and you're going to behealed.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Oh, this is a great test of faith, right?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I mean because, well, regardless, Because I mean,
that's what we're called andcommanded to do.
Yes, I mean, jesus said I'mleaving.
Now you lay hands on the sickand they will recover.
These signs will follow you.
Yeah, I mean, this is the GreatCommission, it's in the Great
Commission and we just threwthat out because we're Americans
and we believe more in whatscience and logic and we don't
(39:53):
believe in the things of thespirit very much and the
individual responsibility wastaken away and we wanted the
government to bail us out.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Oh yeah, I mean, that was it.
What can you do to help us?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, I still can't believe that happened.
I mean, it's like it's neverhappened in the history of our
nation.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No, and it won't ever happen again.
I don't think, no, I don'tthink.
I mean, I think that thisgeneration will have to pass
away.
I think.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Before anybody will do it.
You don't think they'll try.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I do think they'll try, but I know the enemy never
does anything new.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Always the same old thing.
But that's the whole thingabout the deceiver.
He's very deceiving.
So I mean I just don't thinkthis generation is going to be
taken forward again.
Yeah, I hope not In that way.
I mean, he's deceiving becausehe tries to use different ways.
Yeah, yeah, Anyway.
Man got off on that one, didn'twe?
(40:50):
Wow, man, maybe we needed totalk about it Wrote me into
COVID.
Yeah, I know, well, speaking ofit, it's spiking 44 minutes.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh, wow, wow, all right, it's spiking.
What do you mean?
It's spiking?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I.
What do you mean?
It's spiking.
I saw something on my Googlethat said that COVID is spiking.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah or monkeypox.
I heard that that's the rage.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's something.
That's why, Andrew, I don'tthink anybody's going to take
the bait anymore.
Oh, I think we're over it.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I really do I think everybody's over it?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, I really do they had one shot.
I'd be interested to know who.
Never mind, I'm not going to gothere, but anyway, I just you
know.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Alright, so did we have any questions?
Anybody?
Not a question.
But Allison said sticking withthe blue theme.
I see, I wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I was going to say something, Allison.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I'm looking over at Jim.
She's not here right now.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Alright, well, allison, we saw your question,
your comment, and it's the bluething and the black glasses Last
week or last episode we lookedlike twins and that was
embarrassing.
But finding out you're over 50years old.
We're really far from twins,it's true, although we're the
same color.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Jimmy, it's not hard if you show up, I will say that,
okay.
So it's not hard to show up,looking like me if you wear a
blue shirt, because I wear a lotof blue.
You do, I do.
Your wife says you look good init.
I don't know if she said that.
Oh okay, did she tell you that?
Because she didn't tell mepretty sure that's not true uh,
um, anyway.
So you know, there's, there'sthat.
(42:29):
So what did you have?
Anybody else?
It looks like it.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Nope, all the other okay with the blue theme.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, okay, we can do that yeah, so next time we'll,
maybe we'll coordinate and youknow, you'll wear something
different and I'll wear anotherblue shirt.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
We should just continue to wear blue okay I
don't want to get all mikebrawny though, with the whole
blue shirt.
Brawny, what is he?
Remember mike braun when hewore the blue shirt, the whole,
everything he went to, he had ablue shirt.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
You know what people don't realize remember that is
no, but maybe vaguely, he helike they started playing it up
oh, did they really yeah, hewore this blue button-down shirt
all the time and it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
it was always like there's Mike Braun, he's got
that blue shirt on oh, that'sfunny.
You don't remember that when heran what?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
people don't realize is when you're running a
campaign you kind of have auniform.
You don't say you do.
It doesn't look like a uniform,yeah, but you do, because
you've got to have yourcampaigning clothes on, so
you've got.
I mean, it's just the truthCampaigning clothes.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah.
So you've got several pairs ofsomething that you're going to
be wearing all the time.
You don't show up in Bermudashorts and Hawaiian shirt.
I mean, it's just never goingto happen.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Unless you did every time Maybe, yeah, and then it's
your persona or Fetterman'shoodie.
No, that's Bruce Borders.
Yes, well, there you go, heplays it out.
Well, he shows up in the yesyeah, when you say kind of fancy
shirt, that's what he shows upin.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
So whatever you do when you're campaigning, you
want to have a look that definesyou, even if it's nerdy or
dorky, it doesn't matter.
Before you even get a platform,who cares about platforms?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
cares about platforms .
You're kamala.
You don't need a platform, justjust get a look first, that's
right and roll with it.
Okay, I want to know when theguy's going to come out with the
no shirt under the overalls.
Look, I think anybody will dothat.
I mean, there's got to besomething on the platform, maybe
.
Maybe a white shirt under it,but overalls yeah, where's
overalls to?
Everything.
Yeah, I think I think you couldwin doing that without a
(44:27):
platform.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think you could win .
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't know If anybody's interested in using me
as a consultant for yourcampaign.
It's jimmymccanna at gmail,yeah, or the MC Square podcast
at gmailcom.
If you're interested in gettingto us and you want us to help
with your campaign, overalls, noshirt under it americana baby
(44:52):
americana I went to the statefair on tuesday oh did you
really love the state fair.
It's super nice.
Um, I love that if you go there, they have this tractor thing
that you'd ride around on forfree and you just ride around
and just look at Hoosiers.
Man, it is the coolest thing inthe world.
I love, I love Indiana people.
I really do.
(45:13):
It's because they're just forone, they're just super nice and
they're just in all shapes andsizes and it is, it's absolutely
amazing.
I mean, it smells like itsmells like corn, because they
had that corn they're cookingright on the grill.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
It smells like cotton candy, it smells like marijuana
.
It smells like body funk All inone space there at the no, it
really I really love.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I heard it was packed , absolutely packed.
Oh my gosh, so you got to go on.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Tuesday.
Why I heard it was packed,absolutely packed.
Oh my gosh, so you got to go onTuesday.
Why Every eatery you go to hasa $2 item.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, my goodness, I think they ask all of them to do
that yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Just think about this you go in there with $10.
You can go to five differentplaces.
Get one thing from each one,you could try all kinds of stuff
.
Yeah, next year I, you can goto five different places.
Get one thing from each one,you could try all kinds of stuff
.
Next year I'll be going onTuesday again, and the rides
were super cheap on Tuesday too.
Did you ride some rides?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, I rode the rides with the kids.
I never ride the rides.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, I rode the rides with the kids.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
We eat a bunch of nasty food and then go ride the
rides and I actually made myselfreally sick on one of them and
I had to be done.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's why I don't ride the fair rides.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah Well, this is what stupid me.
So I go in and it says 15tickets for one ride.
I'm like 15 tickets, oh my gosh.
So I bought some tickets andfor the first ride I had, like
what did I have like 36 tickets?
The first ride said 15 ticketsand two kids were and I thought,
shoot, I got six tickets left.
So I went and bought moretickets, find out it was only
(46:52):
using four tickets.
So at the end I had I had 44tickets left on and they do it
on a little credit card now theydo on a little credit card.
And so I had to go and start,like I had to scout my credit
card and I said, hey, trust me,there's 11 rides in this thing.
Right, right, I messed up, I'llgive you half price and I got
$20 out of it.
(47:12):
I mean, I lost $20.
Wow, I mean, what are you goingto do with that card?
But it's the new thing now theygot these cards that you load
instead of having the tickets.
It's easier for the carnies.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
How much longer is the fair going?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
It's done.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Sunday it's done.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Sunday yeah, oh, it goes for two weeks, right.
Two weeks, yeah, and it'll bein on Sunday.
I've been to the state fair ina while, I love the state fair.
It's a lot of fun.
The food is amazing.
I love the corn on the cob, thecrazy food.
I love the corn on the cob, Imean, and the Well, we probably
should wrap up.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Folks, thank you for watching and also listening.
This will be obviously uploadedto the podcasting service that
you subscribe to, whether it'sSpotify or Apple or whatever.
Google, yep, google, andthey've been kind of rapid fire.
We uploaded two episodes thisweek, even though they were live
(48:08):
on facebook, and all that.
We didn't get the audio sortedout and put on there.
So we're gonna probably, uhdrew, do a better job on this
one and get this up a littlesooner.
But, um, folks, we reallyappreciate, uh, all of the
participation.
We get lots of nice comments.
Um, we know that a lot of youwatch and we were hoping for
some questions, but maybe youcould email those to
(48:31):
themcsquaredpodcast at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And say you would like us to answer it on air.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We could do that too.
We could totally do that, orobviously on Facebook or X or
the YouTube channel.
You can just let us know.
So I think hopefully next timewe're going to do a little bit
of chatting about a, agroundbreaking book.
It just came out two weeks ago,so by the time we talk about it
it'll be a month.
But really that's, that's nottoo.
(48:58):
That's not too long to talkabout.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You're really excited about this book.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Well, because it's kind of in line with things I've
said before and felt already along time.
So it's just kind of some youknow anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
It's just a little bit of a teaser.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well, it's politics in the church and it's kind of
the infiltration and interestinghow it's happening and the
money when is the money comingfrom?
Where is the money coming from?
Very good, Anyway, folks.
We hope you have a wonderfulevening.
Thank you for listening to usand we will see you guys next
time Later.
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