March 19, 2024 • 39 mins
Does God speak to us today? Does He get involved in elections? In this episode Andrew and Jimmy discuss these questions and more. Andrew shares some examples of God speaking in dreams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the MC squared podcast.
This is episode 23.
I'm Jimmy McCanna, with co-hostAndrew McNeil.
We're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got a world to see all the time to learn.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Thanks for being with us thisevening or this day, or whenever
you are watching the podcast,andrew, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's going good, jimmy.
It's been a while since we satdown.
It is, I think, what's crazy.
It's been a little while, butwhen folks are watching the
YouTube videos, they won't havea clue about that?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, they don't, really don't know.
We try to get around every twoweeks.
We've missed a week in there.
I'm wearing the nice brightgreen shirt.
I can only do it for, usuallyin the spring, because St
Patrick's Day is coming up thisweekend.
This'll be released after that.
But a little thing on StPatrick's Day, a little Indiana,
a Tarahote history.
I don't know if I've ever toldyou this before, but it has to
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do with my grandfather who livedat 465 Barton His entire life,
born and died in the same room.
Amazing Went to St.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Patrick's.
Did he ever leave the room?
Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Multiple times, but he went to St Patrick's his
entire life and he was one ofthe two men who painted that
shamrock every year.
So, there's a shamrock paintedat Poplar and 19th Street at the
intersection.
It's done the Thursday beforeSt Patrick's Day and they kind
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of it's all associated with StPatrick's Party and whatnot.
But he was one of the originalsthat would go and paint that.
So he had been in the newspaperso many times because the
newspaper there's not a wholelot else going on the Thursday
before, but they kind of knowThursday before St Patty's Day
but they kind of know this isgoing to be going on so they
would go out and he'd be in thenewspaper all the time painting
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it.
So they actually this year whenthey painted it they used to
have his name under there and Isaw they didn't do it this year.
They used to say Ace and Lou.
Now Ace was my grandfather'snickname.
It was Richard Donham, but theycalled him Ace.
He was a runner in high schoolran at Woodrow.
Wilson School on a gravel ordirt track when it was a dirt
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track yeah, ran a 400, 800, oneof the two, but that's how he
got his name.
That's why it used to say Aceand Lou.
Ace was my grandfather, is mygrandfather.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, so there's a little bit of St Patrick's Day
Terre Haute history, if you'reinterested.
Yeah, that's really good.
I went out there one year andkind of helped him a little bit
with it.
But I just don't, I can't carrythat legacy on like he could.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Are you artistic at all?
Was he artistic?
No, no, he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
They have a pattern that they put down and then they
do it, and then people go anddo birdies over the top of it
and do a big black mark over thetop of it.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Welcome to Terre Haute.
Yeah, absolutely.
They ever rest some money forhate speech.
If they did that, for, yeah,for burning rubber on a on a
shamrock Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, I don't think so.
No, that would make any sense.
They probably think it was afour-leaf clover or something.
That wouldn't make any sense,would it?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
No, yeah, well, you know, there's folks that have
done that.
On the Gay Pride, paintedrainbows.
Yeah, and they'll throw them injail.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, we're putting a burn mark over it.
Yeah, same thing.
What if your foot slips?
I, I, I, I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What if?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
what if payment's wet ?
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Can you not?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
take that into account.
Okay, yeah, I don't understand.
Yeah anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So I thought maybe we would.
I had something on my on myheart again and I'm gonna stop
this eventually having things onmy heart, I don't know, but I,
I, I realized there was a.
This is a political and aspiritual combination.
How you could have thosetogether.
Yeah, I know it's kind of crazy, but it's something that
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happened a little while ago andI feel like it.
It is a great illustrationmaybe of a way that God can
speak to you, which I thoughtmaybe we'd talk a little bit
about.
Yeah, the different ways God canspeak.
Yeah, you know, there, there,there are whole sections of of
Christianity which is prettyfunny to me that actually hold
that you can't hear from God, orthat God doesn't speak, or if
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he does speak, it's literallyonly scripture, like he can't
say anything else, which alsomakes no sense, because those
are all things to put God in abox and I don't believe in any
of that anyway.
So, but so this, this goes backto 2008.
It was actually probably late2007.
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And what?
If you guys will recall whatwas going on then and some folks
will be listening to this,maybe it weren't, you know, born
then.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So starting to realize how old I am, but 2007,.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And there was a presidential primary going on,
both Republican and Democrat,and on the Democrat side it was.
It was kind of crazy becauseyou had the heir apparent in
Hillary Clinton running and thenyou had this unknown Senator,
state Senator from, fromIllinois, named Barack Obama,
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and they were running.
And so it was in this contextand at this time you know, we
when I say we, my family, mywalk with the Lord we were very
involved politically.
As far as prayer goes, Iwouldn't say we were any
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political juggernaut or anything.
We weren't involved in theparty or, you know, we voted, we
were informed, but but we feltlike our main call was prayer,
which, okay, that's fine.
I mean, I've since evolved fromthinking that prayer alone is
the is.
You know, you got to pray andthen you got to act, but anyway,
we prayed a lot, we did a lotof prayer, which probably you
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know, whatever.
So we did a lot of prayer and Ihad a dream, and what started
was really crazy, Jimmy, becausefrom that point on, when I had
this first dream, I had a seriesof dreams and they all kind of
were were built on one another,and these dreams were very clear
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to me what the message was, andI didn't always like what I
heard, but it was God.
God was literally speaking tome.
Now I've since wondered why washe?
Why?
Why does God care?
I mean, why did?
Why did God?
Why does God care about apresidential race in the United
States of America?
I mean seriously.
And then why would he care totell me?
I mean, those are greatquestions to ask, but the Bible
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does talk about that.
He does nothing that he doesn'tfirst reveal it to his people,
or to the prophetic, or to theprophets.
There is a lot of instanceswhere God would speak to Daniel
about things to come that Danielwould have no influence on.
They had nothing to do withDaniel, and I think God delights
to speak to his people.
He delights to speak with them,and especially about things
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that you're concerned about.
So, anyway, this first dream wasso you got to remember Hillary
Clinton was was this juggernaut.
She was leading in the polls,there's an unknown Barack Obama
running, and I get a dream whereHillary Clinton is on a small
plane and it's landing at anairport and it crashes, and
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that's the dream, Okay.
So I wake up and I'm like itwas very clear and I knew it was
a message from the Lord.
And to me the interpretationwas very clear.
Actually, airplanes mean like asmall ministry or a small
office.
I knew that she was not going tobecome president.
I didn't know if she was goingto win or lose the.
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I couldn't determine from thatwhether or not she was going to
win or lose the nomination.
I knew she wasn't going to bepresident of the United States.
I knew right then.
Then I had the next dream, andthis dream is a.
It was a huge dream for mebecause it was so, so, not what
I wanted and so clear to me thatit was the Lord.
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And you got to understand atthis time we're very pro-life,
we're praying, I'm we're praying, I'm sorry, we're praying for a
Republican president, we arepraying for a, you know, a godly
man in office.
We're we.
That's how we're praying.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You haven't been any of them running.
Yeah Well, there wasn't anyrunning.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Unfortunately but we're just like dear God.
So I had a dream and I amstanding before Barack Obama and
in the dream I know, like I cansense from the Lord, that I can
only speak to him what I hearfrom the Lord.
I'm not allowed to tell him myopinions.
I, I'm not allowed, I, and Isay to him you are about to have
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a mantle of authority Come onyou that you have never had in
your life and I'm going to tellyou that you are a Marxist, that
you are an anti-Semite and thatyou are a wicked man.
But you are the one that theLord has chosen to be in this
office.
Now I wake up and I'm like, oh,that's not how I'm thinking
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he's got.
I mean, can God put people inoffice who are not good?
Hmm, and I think he can.
I think he can do whatever hewants.
The Bible is pretty clear thathe raises up some and he brings
down others and he puts peopleinto authority.
I mean, the Bible says heraised up Pharaoh.
Pharaoh was terribly wickedover the children of Israel.
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He raised him up, you know.
So I I make the mistake oftelling the intercessory group I
was part of it.
Hey, I think Barack Obama isgoing to be the next president,
and this is folks.
He hadn't won the primary yet,he wasn't even leading in the
primary, and and so then I beganto have a series of dreams two
more where I am following himaround like I'm this profit or
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something, and I'm telling him Iknow who you are and you're not
good, your heart is not good,but you are going to be the
president of the United States.
God is God is going to put youinto office.
So I had two more dreams wherethat happened, and then, and
then this is the.
This is the thing we get intowhen we hear something from God
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that we don't.
We don't like.
I didn't like that, I didn'tlike it at all.
I did not pray, God put aBarack Obama.
I did not vote for Barack Obama, by the way, and he, he was all
those things because of yourdream.
Yeah, I'm like okay, that'sgreat.
Why would God tell me that?
And I think I think he wantedme prepared for what was about
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to happen, and I think, also,God wants his people to know
that he's in charge Not to be.
How many times is he saying hisword?
Don't be afraid, Be strong andbe a good courage over and over
and over again.
So what also would happen lateron that year is that and I had a
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is that Sarah Palin wasannounced as the VP for for John
McCain.
So when this occurred, I'm like, oh, maybe God's changed his
mind, because I really, I reallyliked Sarah Palin and I'm like,
oh, you know, this will makeJohn McCain palatable because I,
I didn't like John McCain,Didn't like John McCain's
politics.
He might be a fine, fine man,but I didn't care for his
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politics.
So I'm like, okay, so I'm,we're excited, we're all excited
, we're praying.
I'm trying to put these otherdreams things back behind me
because, you know, maybe thatwas pizza or something.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I mean, I was pretty clear it was the Lord, three or
four nights, yeah, so I'm like,okay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And then I had another dream.
This is the last dream I hadand in the dream they were Tom
Brokaw was announcing theelection results and we were so
excited because of Sarah Palinin the dream and suddenly we
were crying and it didn't golike we thought it would and it
was to me.
I woke up and I'm like one moretime the Lord saying no, no,
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trust me, it's, this is what'sgoing to happen, and and it's
exactly what happened.
So fast forward a little bit toDonald Trump.
My, my brother, had had multipledreams that Donald Trump was
going to be president, that thiswas the, the man that God had
chosen.
And again, if we're using thesame template and people get all
bent out of whack with this,you're you're saying Donald
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Trump's, this amazing ChristianYou're you're saying Donald
Trump is how can God use him?
You know he's.
He's been a Philanderer, he's.
You know he's not been this orthat, and you're missing the
point.
God put Barack Obama in andBarack Obama was wicked.
I believe.
He put Donald Trump in, andDonald Trump is not a perfect
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man.
Never have said that DonaldTrump was a perfect man, but we
knew that he was.
He was the man of the hour.
He was the one God was using.
So my brother had had severaldreams of that and I just had
one dream.
I was hoping for dreams likethis with Barack Obama.
I had nothing.
I mean, I, you can't make thisstuff happen, you really can't,
yeah, yeah.
So but I had one dream, and Ithink this dream is is was was
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crystal clear to me, and I thinkthe church the body of Christ,
personally, I think missed agolden opportunity and I think
we've missed it as a church bodybecause we did one of two
things we either got extremelypolitical or two, we got
extremely offended at theinstrument that God used.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, that's, that's that's what God's done from the
very beginning.
Yeah, I mean, that's exactlywhat happened when Jesus came.
They were, they were offendedby the way that Jesus came, and
that's why he was never accepted, right?
So?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
the dream was Donald Trump was going to become
president.
This is before he won.
And Donald Trump was thiswhirlwind in the dream.
He was this whirlwind and thewhirlwind was this was was of
God and it was clear as a bellto me in the dream that the role
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of the church during the Trumppresidency was to pray into the
chaos, to pray into thatwhirlwind that it would do what
God intended it to do in thenation, and I think we missed
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
personally, yeah, I think.
I think we definitely we had agreat opportunity there.
So I do have a couple questionsfor you, one, specifically,
which is really hard to answerand but something that you had
said when you were talking inthere about Obama and having the
dreams about him, thoseconsecutive dreams and we're
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gonna talk about dreams shortlyand hearing from the Lord but
when you were talking about Godbeing in can in charge Versus
and you didn't really say God incontrol.
But let's look at it from thatperspective God in charge versus
God in control.
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Yeah and so when are we?
Are we with God in control, ordo we have God in charge?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, it's probably a little bit of both, to be
totally honest with you.
I think the.
I think the root of thatquestion, though, is Probably
comes down to another questionin is does God promote or Does
God promote evil?
Yeah, and you know, because whydo bad things happen if God's
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in charge?
Why do bad things happen?
I mean, there were a lot ofwicked things that the Barack
Obama did.
Was God rubber stamping that?
Was he condoning that?
And I think you have to lookthrough scripture to understand,
kind of, the character of Godas best we can.
And the Bible is very clear heraised, raised up wicked rulers
from time to time to either showhis judgment on a nation or to
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show his glory, when he, youknow, would defeat that person
or, you know, or Causes his bodyor church at the time,
regardless of it whether it's,you know, before before the Lord
or not, if we're talking OldTestament, still a picture of
the body of Christ to show hisglory.
I mean, goliath, the Davidfaced.
Goliath was a horrible person,blaspheming the, the armies of
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the Lord, you know, and sendingterror into the camp of the
Israelites, but it was anopportunity for someone who
believed in the Lord David, yes,a shepherd boy who wasn't
trained in the art of war to goin faith and defeat the giant,
and I think.
So what are the purposes of God?
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I don't know if we know that,but but, because God's ways are
higher than our ways, yeah, butyeah, I believe God is in charge
.
Back to your question, becauseEven though the the whole world,
the Bible says, is under thesway of the wicked one, I
believe God sits.
The Bible says he sits in theheavens and he laughs.
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He sees the nations and they'replotting against him.
The Psalm says, and he laughsin derision.
He holds him in derision and hesays this is in Psalms, which
is interesting Kiss the Sun lesthe be angry and destroy you in
the way.
In other words, be be afraid ofthe judgment of God.
You rulers, if you're ruling inwickedness or whatever to find
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the king.
So I think it's, you know, apart of God's ultimate plan.
I don't don't claim to knoweverything, I'm not claiming to
have all the answers on this,but I totally believe God places
rulers and and people in office.
So in specifics to Trump, wesee kind of a prophetic Parallel
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in the Bible to Cyrus, who Godcalled him out Before he was
even born, named him in theBible before he was even born
and said you don't even know me,but I'm gonna raise you up and
I'm gonna cause you to rebuildmy temple and to send my people
back.
And that's exactly what Cyrusdid when he finally, you know,
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was put into office or came intooffice or came into the place
of authority that he was.
So I think God I mean that'sGod knows what's gonna happen
he's yeah, but I'm also not oneof those I don't want to say if
it's fatalist, but I'm also notone of those folks that believe
Everything is just on aautomatic track and we have
nothing to say about it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
No, no, you know, we this is this is kind of way I
feel about it.
So, asking the question back tomyself God's too good to be a
God that is in control, becausehe really he was.
He is in charge, absolutelyyeah, but he's too good to his
people and he, and so I Reallythink, in the case of David is
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really apparent because I, yeah,god put that in David, but God
uses his people to change theworld, right, and I think that's
, you know, there's if it was aperfect world.
I mean, there wouldn't beanything for God's people to do
besides sit around like theGarden of Eden before sin came
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in, and that's, I think that'sreally where it changed a lot,
and so I just I think he's waytoo good to be in control.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well, he gives I mean , he gives us a free will and a
free choice.
Yeah, we're not robots, and Ithink that, um, that's, I mean,
that's a pretty deep theologicalsubject.
That and every, every you knowside is going to argue about it,
and where I fall is that I dobelieve God, overarching, is
completely in charge of thisworld and his destiny is going
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to be fulfilled.
He is going to fulfill what heset forth.
What happened, what's spelledout in Revelation, is going to
going to occur, but at the sametime, he's looking for his body
to do it, to be obedient to him,to be his hands, his feet, his
body on the earth and and to, uh, to accomplish these things.
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I mean, the Psalm says somethingvery interesting, says the Lord
says to my Lord so this is,this is God speaking basically
to Jesus.
The Lord says to my Lord sit atmy right hand, which is where
Jesus is right now.
Sit at my right hand until Imake the nations your footstool.
So that kind of indicates thatthe Lord's return is is
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dependent on his body through,through the power of the Lord,
subjecting nations to the Lord,making it as a footstool for him
.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Absolutely, and just trying to understand this, we,
we totally realized that we'renot going to be able to and you
said this understand thebeginning to the end, because
who would worship a God that you, inside of our minds, we can
fully understand?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I know it probably just some people are
going to listen to this and itjust be like uh, you know, yeah,
and I.
I get that, I understand thathave have grace.
I'm, I feel pretty confident in, but I'm I mean we're not
sitting up there with God rightnow.
I mean he could be going, no,no, no.
This is how I've worked.
So, as our limited minds, thisis how we perceive that he's,
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he's moving and working.
So let's talk about, let's talkabout hearing the Lord.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, so that kind of segues into hearing the Lord.
So, um, you were kind oftalking about having those
dreams, and how do you know ifit's, uh, a dream from the Lord
or if you know, or if it's apizza dream or if something else
is coming after you?
At night when you're, whenyou're having dreams.
I think it's really interesting.
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I always think about, aboutthis.
It's in Joel.
I just looked it up earlierjust to verify.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's in.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Joel, you know.
But then, Peter, right, herepeats this at Pentecost when
he comes out and he's just fullof it, right he's he's all fired
up.
So I always think about.
I always think about what hesaid in repeating Joel that in,
uh, and it shall be in the lastdays, God says I'll pour my
spirit upon all mankind, andyour sons and daughters will
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prophesy, and a young men willsee visions and your old men
will dream dreams.
So I figured out in life.
When I started having dreams Iwas an old man.
Yeah, I was kind of scary,because medical time old men are
really old.
But much like you, much likeyou, I have these dreams and I
think that some people get themand I know that sometimes, very
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specifically, it was not a Goddream, yeah, and I think that
one of the main keys that Ipersonally use is was I afraid
in it?
That's good, and the presenceof the Lord, and the true
presence of the Lord.
I don't believe in your dream.
You're going to be afraid, yeah, if you're being told something
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and you're, and you know you'restanding up like you were.
I mean, you weren't afraid, youwere, you were full of the zeal
of the Lord talking to BarackObama, and then this happens
night and then night and thennight.
Yeah, and these aren't thingsthat you can just come up in
your head.
These are the things that arebeing whispered to you while you
are in a deep state of sleep,and so to even look at sleep is
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amazing because of where yourbrain goes and your rapid eye
movements and all this differentthings.
And the Lord's like you know,I'm going to shut you down and
your body's going to have to dothis so that, even if going
crazy around you, you're goingto have opportunity to hear my
voice if you're open.
And I really feel that spendingtime in his word then also kind
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of leads into that, becauseI've had times in my life where
I didn't spend as much time andthen times where I did, and I
feel like he speaks more becauseI'm more aware and ready and
ready for that.
So I think that he wants tospeak to all of his people
because if there are thesesituations like you're talking
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about, with rulers that are notgood, that are in charge he, the
goal is is to work then throughhis people, because by working
through his people in thosetimes of oppression, moses
specifically in the OldTestament, working through his
people, that is what shows hisglory from sea to sea.
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I mean, it shows it across theto even the people that believe
and not believe.
And so I think that you have tohave that opposition to be able
to have to have darkness to beable to see the light.
So I really think that hespeaks specifically to his
people for absolute a reasoneach time, and you just got to
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be willing to listen and thentake it, and then a lot of
people write them down when theywake up, I mean I think that's
one, one kind of things thatpeople do.
obviously share them with yourspouse.
I think that's one of the firstthings, and I have a trouble
because I try to interpret.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
you know immediately what somebody else hears and
that's not always true, you knowand and I've I've had my fair
share of dreams that weren'tfrom the Lord.
I've had my fair share of ofdreams you thought were
something and then they weren't.
And so not every dream is fromthe Lord and not every dream is
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saying anything honestly, butbut he does speak that way and I
think what is fascinating inscripture we one of the ones
that fascinates me the most isis Joseph, the, the um, joseph
and Mary with with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's a big, that's a big dream there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Because he had several dreams.
He had one where so Mary isfound to be with child, she's
betrothed, she's a virgin.
Well, I mean, he doesn't thinkshe's a virgin anymore, but
she's betrothed, she's withchild not his.
And the Lord appears to him ina dream and he says don't be
afraid to take Mary, your wife,because that which is within her
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is conceived of the Holy Spirit.
And he obeys it.
Yes, he does, and I think thatis incredible.
And then again, when the Lordappears to him in a dream and
says, hey, flee, go down toEgypt.
And he obeys he does, I think,the faith of Joseph in all those
and that's kind of a side, it'sjust incredible.
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He had a dream and he followedit, he obeyed the Lord out of
those.
I mean, it wasn't necessarilylike there was a blinding light,
but it was a very clear wordfrom the Lord to him.
And so the Lord definitely andabsolutely can speak to us in
dreams, his timing is perfecttoo.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, yeah.
So I think that there aredreams that are planted for now
and there's dreams that he'splanting and watering for later,
but his timing is perfect forwhere he wants you to be With
Joseph.
It was absolutely perfect andit's a perfect representation of
it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So I think you always have to balance everything you
think you hear from God with theword of God.
Nothing that you have in adream is ever going to violate
the principles or the thingsthat we find in the word of God.
So that's a safety, I think.
And then I don't hearexclusively on dreams.
Most of the time I just getthis piece from the Lord if I'm
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to do something or not, a pieceif I'm not supposed to.
That's, honestly, mostly how Ihear the Lord.
I've also had where scripturesjump off the page when you've
been spending time with the Lordand God speaking something
specifically to you.
God speaks in a lot ofdifferent ways and I think it's
really sad.
I honestly think it's super sadwhen I hear Christians that
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don't believe that or understandthat God loves that
conversation.
I believe that with all myheart he loves that communion.
Jesus said me and my fatherstand at the door and knock Any
man that opens to us.
We will come in and sup withhim, which means fellowship.
The Lord really delights tohave conversations with his
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people and so look for thoseHonestly and develop it.
I remember at an early age I wastaught we can all sit quietly
and ask the Lord to speak to usand he will speak to us.
Now, when you're a kid and youcan come up with some goofy
stuff, but it's a great practicebecause God delights.
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It's kind of like the littleboy Samuel Speak, lord, because
your servant hears.
It's important that we haveears that hear what the Spirit
is saying to us.
And when you know that theLord's spoken something to you,
then the Bible says that faithcomes by hearing, and hearing by
the word of God.
And that is directly tied, notactually to the scripture,
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that's tied to spoken word, theGreek word.
There is reyma, which is notlogos, it's spoken word of God.
When we hear the spoken word ofGod, then that faith rises up
in us, like Joseph.
Joseph and Mary had, where hehad the faith to go, obey that
dream, because he'd heard theword and the faith rose up and
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then he was able to obey it andthat's kind of the process, I
think, of following the Lord.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think it is too, and the cool thing about it is
is that he knows you so wellthat if your place where you're
spoken to is gonna be, let's say, on a lake somewhere, yeah, he
wants to meet you there, that'sright.
If it's walking down a trailsomewhere, he wants to meet you
there.
If it's sitting in your officefor lunch and everything's kind
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of shut off, he'll meet youthere.
I mean, that's the amazingthing.
There's not a perfect formulafor everybody, but there is a
perfect formula for you that heknows.
Yeah, absolutely, and I thinkthat you just got to find that.
And then the biggest thing,what you said is you hear, and
if you obey he's gonna keeptalking.
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Absolutely, he's gonna keeptalking.
And then, even if you don'tobey, he's gonna talk to you
more.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, well, you have to go back and obey.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You gotta go back and obey, but I mean he needs I've
been talking to you for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Go back and find out the last thing he told you, and
did you do it?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Or just ask him to reiterate it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, there we go.
Could I kind of forgot it,please?
Yeah, okay, all right, jimmy,just to kind of wrap up this
podcast segment a little bit,and I know we're kind of
deciding how in the world are wegonna do that.
But I did want to just tie onelast thing in, and that was
something I learned from theLord speaking those dreams to me
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, specifically in regards topolitics, which I've always had
a heart for.
You know that, and I want to beinvolved.
But I realized when I had thatdream, it's just suddenly I'm
realizing about Isaiah.
I'm realizing about the prophetDaniel.
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I'm realizing about Esther, whowas also in the government.
I'm realizing about David, whowas David's all, all of these
instances in the word of Godwhere his people are involved in
governmental or as prophetsinvolved, speaking to the
government that he was.
You had to have a properattitude and respect, I think,
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for the authorities.
I think that's criticallyimportant.
And I realized that I couldn'tcome at Mr Barack Obama with my
opinions or even my politicalopinions.
It really wasn't that importantUnderstanding Marxism, all that
that is important got it.
But immediately what Iunderstood was that I needed to
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speak the word of the Lord.
And in order to speak the wordof the Lord to someone who
doesn't know the Lord, you'vegot to have character, integrity
and you've got to berespectable.
So I mean Isaiah Daniel, allthese folks.
Daniel rebuked the emperor orthe king, king Nebuchadnezzar.
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I mean he rebuked these peoplebut they respected him because
he had a life of integrity.
The Bible says he excelledbecause he had an excellent
spirit and even though Daniellived a life that was set apart,
he was fully immersed in one ofthe most wicked administrations
on the face of the earth, whichwas Babylon.
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So how do you I feel like a lotof Christians are doing one of
two things are getting highlypolitically active, which I am
not against in any way, I'm notcriticizing that but as a means
of affecting change, and then alot of them are just withdrawing
.
They're just done with it,they're bitter.
I mean, they're just.
Let's just focus on gettingpeople saved and let's just
leave all that alone.
You know, it's all going away,and I think neither approach is
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fully what we should be doing.
I think we should be absolutelygetting people saved and
absolutely involved.
We should vote, we should runfor office, but I think the
thrust of what I have tried todo and what I think the thrust
of what a Christian, a believer,should do is Jimmy, to hear the
Lord.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And to be in a submissive attitude, both under
the authority of the Lord andalso respectful of the
authorities around you and boldas a lion that's right and to be
able to speak the truth, evenif it costs you your head or
your reputation.
But you're not just this angry,rebellious, you know mocker out
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there, but you're carrying withyou an excellent spirit where
your goal is not actually todestroy people, it is to
influence for the kingdom of God.
That's right and it is a toughbalance.
I mean, you've got a lot ofdifferent influences, you've got
to, you know weigh and all thiskind of stuff.
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But I think that's what I havestrived for in my life.
I have not achieved thatperfectly I have not.
But I don't think disengagementis right and I don't think being
so politically stuck thatyou're depressed and all serves
(34:24):
and just worked up about wherewe are.
I think either extreme is notgood and where we're headed may
get really crazy, but if youthink about it, the people of
God always succeed in those kindof times.
Daniel rose to I mean honestlyamazing heights for the children
of Israel, and Israel was nomore when he was doing that.
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So I think we're supposed to bethe head and not the tail.
I think we're supposed tosucceed.
So let's listen to the Lord,let's get a right spirit and
let's speak boldly the truth ofthe Lord and grace, and let's
pray for platforms to influence.
I think so.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I really the one word that, when you're saying this,
comes out to me the most is youdon't compromise.
And I think that in politics,if you look at it from just a
broad spectrum, from bothparties, you get people who are
very well meaning, maybe evenChristians, that are going into
it and God has called them intoit Right, but because of
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external influences theycompromise that reason they went
in and they will never fully beable to do the work that
they've been putting in therefor yeah, and I think that's
unfortunate Getting to thatpoint where you're able to go in
and not compromise, and thatspeaking to the Lord is what
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keeps you from compromising.
I agree, he sets your, he setsyour, he sets you on a path that
lights it for you.
Yeah, so that there's nothingfrom the outside can come in.
And I think that a lot ofpeople have been burned because
they see people come in and theycome in really well, and then
the comfort and it's slow,compromise starts and it's like
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that one, one degree you're off,but three miles down the road.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
how many degrees are you?
Well, and we can all see itcoming.
Can't wait.
All the voters can see it andit does happen.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's.
That's not what he's called usto do and I think that you know,
it's just really I think that'sreally important.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yep, Absolutely Well, we had a.
We had a pretty goodconversation tonight.
It was very fun.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's a lot of fun.
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Welcome to the MC squared podcast.
This is episode 23.
I'm Jimmy McCanna, with co-hostAndrew McNeil.
We're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got a world to see all the time to learn.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Thanks for being with us thisevening or this day, or whenever
you are watching the podcast,andrew, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's going good, jimmy.
It's been a while since we satdown.
It is, I think, what's crazy.
It's been a little while, butwhen folks are watching the
YouTube videos, they won't havea clue about that?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, they don't, really don't know.
We try to get around every twoweeks.
We've missed a week in there.
I'm wearing the nice brightgreen shirt.
I can only do it for, usuallyin the spring, because St
Patrick's Day is coming up thisweekend.
This'll be released after that.
But a little thing on StPatrick's Day, a little Indiana,
a Tarahote history.
I don't know if I've ever toldyou this before, but it has to
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do with my grandfather who livedat 465 Barton His entire life,
born and died in the same room.
Amazing Went to St.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Patrick's.
Did he ever leave the room?
Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Multiple times, but he went to St Patrick's his
entire life and he was one ofthe two men who painted that
shamrock every year.
So, there's a shamrock paintedat Poplar and 19th Street at the
intersection.
It's done the Thursday beforeSt Patrick's Day and they kind
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of it's all associated with StPatrick's Party and whatnot.
But he was one of the originalsthat would go and paint that.
So he had been in the newspaperso many times because the
newspaper there's not a wholelot else going on the Thursday
before, but they kind of knowThursday before St Patty's Day
but they kind of know this isgoing to be going on so they
would go out and he'd be in thenewspaper all the time painting
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it.
So they actually this year whenthey painted it they used to
have his name under there and Isaw they didn't do it this year.
They used to say Ace and Lou.
Now Ace was my grandfather'snickname.
It was Richard Donham, but theycalled him Ace.
He was a runner in high schoolran at Woodrow.
Wilson School on a gravel ordirt track when it was a dirt
(02:18):
track yeah, ran a 400, 800, oneof the two, but that's how he
got his name.
That's why it used to say Aceand Lou.
Ace was my grandfather, is mygrandfather.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, so there's a little bit of St Patrick's Day
Terre Haute history, if you'reinterested.
Yeah, that's really good.
I went out there one year andkind of helped him a little bit
with it.
But I just don't, I can't carrythat legacy on like he could.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Are you artistic at all?
Was he artistic?
No, no, he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
They have a pattern that they put down and then they
do it, and then people go anddo birdies over the top of it
and do a big black mark over thetop of it.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Welcome to Terre Haute.
Yeah, absolutely.
They ever rest some money forhate speech.
If they did that, for, yeah,for burning rubber on a on a
shamrock Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, I don't think so.
No, that would make any sense.
They probably think it was afour-leaf clover or something.
That wouldn't make any sense,would it?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
No, yeah, well, you know, there's folks that have
done that.
On the Gay Pride, paintedrainbows.
Yeah, and they'll throw them injail.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, we're putting a burn mark over it.
Yeah, same thing.
What if your foot slips?
I, I, I, I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What if?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
what if payment's wet ?
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Can you not?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
take that into account.
Okay, yeah, I don't understand.
Yeah anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So I thought maybe we would.
I had something on my on myheart again and I'm gonna stop
this eventually having things onmy heart, I don't know, but I,
I, I realized there was a.
This is a political and aspiritual combination.
How you could have thosetogether.
Yeah, I know it's kind of crazy, but it's something that
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happened a little while ago andI feel like it.
It is a great illustrationmaybe of a way that God can
speak to you, which I thoughtmaybe we'd talk a little bit
about.
Yeah, the different ways God canspeak.
Yeah, you know, there, there,there are whole sections of of
Christianity which is prettyfunny to me that actually hold
that you can't hear from God, orthat God doesn't speak, or if
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he does speak, it's literallyonly scripture, like he can't
say anything else, which alsomakes no sense, because those
are all things to put God in abox and I don't believe in any
of that anyway.
So, but so this, this goes backto 2008.
It was actually probably late2007.
(04:42):
And what?
If you guys will recall whatwas going on then and some folks
will be listening to this,maybe it weren't, you know, born
then.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So starting to realize how old I am, but 2007,.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And there was a presidential primary going on,
both Republican and Democrat,and on the Democrat side it was.
It was kind of crazy becauseyou had the heir apparent in
Hillary Clinton running and thenyou had this unknown Senator,
state Senator from, fromIllinois, named Barack Obama,
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and they were running.
And so it was in this contextand at this time you know, we
when I say we, my family, mywalk with the Lord we were very
involved politically.
As far as prayer goes, Iwouldn't say we were any
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political juggernaut or anything.
We weren't involved in theparty or, you know, we voted, we
were informed, but but we feltlike our main call was prayer,
which, okay, that's fine.
I mean, I've since evolved fromthinking that prayer alone is
the is.
You know, you got to pray andthen you got to act, but anyway,
we prayed a lot, we did a lotof prayer, which probably you
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know, whatever.
So we did a lot of prayer and Ihad a dream, and what started
was really crazy, Jimmy, becausefrom that point on, when I had
this first dream, I had a seriesof dreams and they all kind of
were were built on one another,and these dreams were very clear
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to me what the message was, andI didn't always like what I
heard, but it was God.
God was literally speaking tome.
Now I've since wondered why washe?
Why?
Why does God care?
I mean, why did?
Why did God?
Why does God care about apresidential race in the United
States of America?
I mean seriously.
And then why would he care totell me?
I mean, those are greatquestions to ask, but the Bible
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does talk about that.
He does nothing that he doesn'tfirst reveal it to his people,
or to the prophetic, or to theprophets.
There is a lot of instanceswhere God would speak to Daniel
about things to come that Danielwould have no influence on.
They had nothing to do withDaniel, and I think God delights
to speak to his people.
He delights to speak with them,and especially about things
(07:07):
that you're concerned about.
So, anyway, this first dream wasso you got to remember Hillary
Clinton was was this juggernaut.
She was leading in the polls,there's an unknown Barack Obama
running, and I get a dream whereHillary Clinton is on a small
plane and it's landing at anairport and it crashes, and
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that's the dream, Okay.
So I wake up and I'm like itwas very clear and I knew it was
a message from the Lord.
And to me the interpretationwas very clear.
Actually, airplanes mean like asmall ministry or a small
office.
I knew that she was not going tobecome president.
I didn't know if she was goingto win or lose the.
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I couldn't determine from thatwhether or not she was going to
win or lose the nomination.
I knew she wasn't going to bepresident of the United States.
I knew right then.
Then I had the next dream, andthis dream is a.
It was a huge dream for mebecause it was so, so, not what
I wanted and so clear to me thatit was the Lord.
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And you got to understand atthis time we're very pro-life,
we're praying, I'm we're praying, I'm sorry, we're praying for a
Republican president, we arepraying for a, you know, a godly
man in office.
We're we.
That's how we're praying.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You haven't been any of them running.
Yeah Well, there wasn't anyrunning.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Unfortunately but we're just like dear God.
So I had a dream and I amstanding before Barack Obama and
in the dream I know, like I cansense from the Lord, that I can
only speak to him what I hearfrom the Lord.
I'm not allowed to tell him myopinions.
I, I'm not allowed, I, and Isay to him you are about to have
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a mantle of authority Come onyou that you have never had in
your life and I'm going to tellyou that you are a Marxist, that
you are an anti-Semite and thatyou are a wicked man.
But you are the one that theLord has chosen to be in this
office.
Now I wake up and I'm like, oh,that's not how I'm thinking
(09:21):
he's got.
I mean, can God put people inoffice who are not good?
Hmm, and I think he can.
I think he can do whatever hewants.
The Bible is pretty clear thathe raises up some and he brings
down others and he puts peopleinto authority.
I mean, the Bible says heraised up Pharaoh.
Pharaoh was terribly wickedover the children of Israel.
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He raised him up, you know.
So I I make the mistake oftelling the intercessory group I
was part of it.
Hey, I think Barack Obama isgoing to be the next president,
and this is folks.
He hadn't won the primary yet,he wasn't even leading in the
primary, and and so then I beganto have a series of dreams two
more where I am following himaround like I'm this profit or
(10:08):
something, and I'm telling him Iknow who you are and you're not
good, your heart is not good,but you are going to be the
president of the United States.
God is God is going to put youinto office.
So I had two more dreams wherethat happened, and then, and
then this is the.
This is the thing we get intowhen we hear something from God
(10:30):
that we don't.
We don't like.
I didn't like that, I didn'tlike it at all.
I did not pray, God put aBarack Obama.
I did not vote for Barack Obama, by the way, and he, he was all
those things because of yourdream.
Yeah, I'm like okay, that'sgreat.
Why would God tell me that?
And I think I think he wantedme prepared for what was about
(10:50):
to happen, and I think, also,God wants his people to know
that he's in charge Not to be.
How many times is he saying hisword?
Don't be afraid, Be strong andbe a good courage over and over
and over again.
So what also would happen lateron that year is that and I had a
(11:11):
is that Sarah Palin wasannounced as the VP for for John
McCain.
So when this occurred, I'm like, oh, maybe God's changed his
mind, because I really, I reallyliked Sarah Palin and I'm like,
oh, you know, this will makeJohn McCain palatable because I,
I didn't like John McCain,Didn't like John McCain's
politics.
He might be a fine, fine man,but I didn't care for his
(11:33):
politics.
So I'm like, okay, so I'm,we're excited, we're all excited
, we're praying.
I'm trying to put these otherdreams things back behind me
because, you know, maybe thatwas pizza or something.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I mean, I was pretty clear it was the Lord, three or
four nights, yeah, so I'm like,okay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And then I had another dream.
This is the last dream I hadand in the dream they were Tom
Brokaw was announcing theelection results and we were so
excited because of Sarah Palinin the dream and suddenly we
were crying and it didn't golike we thought it would and it
was to me.
I woke up and I'm like one moretime the Lord saying no, no,
(12:14):
trust me, it's, this is what'sgoing to happen, and and it's
exactly what happened.
So fast forward a little bit toDonald Trump.
My, my brother, had had multipledreams that Donald Trump was
going to be president, that thiswas the, the man that God had
chosen.
And again, if we're using thesame template and people get all
bent out of whack with this,you're you're saying Donald
(12:38):
Trump's, this amazing ChristianYou're you're saying Donald
Trump is how can God use him?
You know he's.
He's been a Philanderer, he's.
You know he's not been this orthat, and you're missing the
point.
God put Barack Obama in andBarack Obama was wicked.
I believe.
He put Donald Trump in, andDonald Trump is not a perfect
(12:58):
man.
Never have said that DonaldTrump was a perfect man, but we
knew that he was.
He was the man of the hour.
He was the one God was using.
So my brother had had severaldreams of that and I just had
one dream.
I was hoping for dreams likethis with Barack Obama.
I had nothing.
I mean, I, you can't make thisstuff happen, you really can't,
yeah, yeah.
So but I had one dream, and Ithink this dream is is was was
(13:21):
crystal clear to me, and I thinkthe church the body of Christ,
personally, I think missed agolden opportunity and I think
we've missed it as a church bodybecause we did one of two
things we either got extremelypolitical or two, we got
extremely offended at theinstrument that God used.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, that's, that's that's what God's done from the
very beginning.
Yeah, I mean, that's exactlywhat happened when Jesus came.
They were, they were offendedby the way that Jesus came, and
that's why he was never accepted, right?
So?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
the dream was Donald Trump was going to become
president.
This is before he won.
And Donald Trump was thiswhirlwind in the dream.
He was this whirlwind and thewhirlwind was this was was of
God and it was clear as a bellto me in the dream that the role
(14:17):
of the church during the Trumppresidency was to pray into the
chaos, to pray into thatwhirlwind that it would do what
God intended it to do in thenation, and I think we missed
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
personally, yeah, I think.
I think we definitely we had agreat opportunity there.
So I do have a couple questionsfor you, one, specifically,
which is really hard to answerand but something that you had
said when you were talking inthere about Obama and having the
dreams about him, thoseconsecutive dreams and we're
(14:53):
gonna talk about dreams shortlyand hearing from the Lord but
when you were talking about Godbeing in can in charge Versus
and you didn't really say God incontrol.
But let's look at it from thatperspective God in charge versus
God in control.
(15:13):
Yeah and so when are we?
Are we with God in control, ordo we have God in charge?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, it's probably a little bit of both, to be
totally honest with you.
I think the.
I think the root of thatquestion, though, is Probably
comes down to another questionin is does God promote or Does
God promote evil?
Yeah, and you know, because whydo bad things happen if God's
(15:44):
in charge?
Why do bad things happen?
I mean, there were a lot ofwicked things that the Barack
Obama did.
Was God rubber stamping that?
Was he condoning that?
And I think you have to lookthrough scripture to understand,
kind of, the character of Godas best we can.
And the Bible is very clear heraised, raised up wicked rulers
from time to time to either showhis judgment on a nation or to
(16:08):
show his glory, when he, youknow, would defeat that person
or, you know, or Causes his bodyor church at the time,
regardless of it whether it's,you know, before before the Lord
or not, if we're talking OldTestament, still a picture of
the body of Christ to show hisglory.
I mean, goliath, the Davidfaced.
Goliath was a horrible person,blaspheming the, the armies of
(16:31):
the Lord, you know, and sendingterror into the camp of the
Israelites, but it was anopportunity for someone who
believed in the Lord David, yes,a shepherd boy who wasn't
trained in the art of war to goin faith and defeat the giant,
and I think.
So what are the purposes of God?
(16:53):
I don't know if we know that,but but, because God's ways are
higher than our ways, yeah, butyeah, I believe God is in charge
.
Back to your question, becauseEven though the the whole world,
the Bible says, is under thesway of the wicked one, I
believe God sits.
The Bible says he sits in theheavens and he laughs.
(17:15):
He sees the nations and they'replotting against him.
The Psalm says, and he laughsin derision.
He holds him in derision and hesays this is in Psalms, which
is interesting Kiss the Sun lesthe be angry and destroy you in
the way.
In other words, be be afraid ofthe judgment of God.
You rulers, if you're ruling inwickedness or whatever to find
(17:38):
the king.
So I think it's, you know, apart of God's ultimate plan.
I don't don't claim to knoweverything, I'm not claiming to
have all the answers on this,but I totally believe God places
rulers and and people in office.
So in specifics to Trump, wesee kind of a prophetic Parallel
(18:00):
in the Bible to Cyrus, who Godcalled him out Before he was
even born, named him in theBible before he was even born
and said you don't even know me,but I'm gonna raise you up and
I'm gonna cause you to rebuildmy temple and to send my people
back.
And that's exactly what Cyrusdid when he finally, you know,
(18:23):
was put into office or came intooffice or came into the place
of authority that he was.
So I think God I mean that'sGod knows what's gonna happen
he's yeah, but I'm also not oneof those I don't want to say if
it's fatalist, but I'm also notone of those folks that believe
Everything is just on aautomatic track and we have
nothing to say about it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
No, no, you know, we this is this is kind of way I
feel about it.
So, asking the question back tomyself God's too good to be a
God that is in control, becausehe really he was.
He is in charge, absolutelyyeah, but he's too good to his
people and he, and so I Reallythink, in the case of David is
(19:05):
really apparent because I, yeah,god put that in David, but God
uses his people to change theworld, right, and I think that's
, you know, there's if it was aperfect world.
I mean, there wouldn't beanything for God's people to do
besides sit around like theGarden of Eden before sin came
(19:26):
in, and that's, I think that'sreally where it changed a lot,
and so I just I think he's waytoo good to be in control.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well, he gives I mean , he gives us a free will and a
free choice.
Yeah, we're not robots, and Ithink that, um, that's, I mean,
that's a pretty deep theologicalsubject.
That and every, every you knowside is going to argue about it,
and where I fall is that I dobelieve God, overarching, is
completely in charge of thisworld and his destiny is going
(19:55):
to be fulfilled.
He is going to fulfill what heset forth.
What happened, what's spelledout in Revelation, is going to
going to occur, but at the sametime, he's looking for his body
to do it, to be obedient to him,to be his hands, his feet, his
body on the earth and and to, uh, to accomplish these things.
(20:18):
I mean, the Psalm says somethingvery interesting, says the Lord
says to my Lord so this is,this is God speaking basically
to Jesus.
The Lord says to my Lord sit atmy right hand, which is where
Jesus is right now.
Sit at my right hand until Imake the nations your footstool.
So that kind of indicates thatthe Lord's return is is
(20:43):
dependent on his body through,through the power of the Lord,
subjecting nations to the Lord,making it as a footstool for him
.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Absolutely, and just trying to understand this, we,
we totally realized that we'renot going to be able to and you
said this understand thebeginning to the end, because
who would worship a God that you, inside of our minds, we can
fully understand?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I know it probably just some people are
going to listen to this and itjust be like uh, you know, yeah,
and I.
I get that, I understand thathave have grace.
I'm, I feel pretty confident in, but I'm I mean we're not
sitting up there with God rightnow.
I mean he could be going, no,no, no.
This is how I've worked.
So, as our limited minds, thisis how we perceive that he's,
(21:30):
he's moving and working.
So let's talk about, let's talkabout hearing the Lord.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, so that kind of segues into hearing the Lord.
So, um, you were kind oftalking about having those
dreams, and how do you know ifit's, uh, a dream from the Lord
or if you know, or if it's apizza dream or if something else
is coming after you?
At night when you're, whenyou're having dreams.
I think it's really interesting.
(21:54):
I always think about, aboutthis.
It's in Joel.
I just looked it up earlierjust to verify.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's in.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Joel, you know.
But then, Peter, right, herepeats this at Pentecost when
he comes out and he's just fullof it, right he's he's all fired
up.
So I always think about.
I always think about what hesaid in repeating Joel that in,
uh, and it shall be in the lastdays, God says I'll pour my
spirit upon all mankind, andyour sons and daughters will
(22:19):
prophesy, and a young men willsee visions and your old men
will dream dreams.
So I figured out in life.
When I started having dreams Iwas an old man.
Yeah, I was kind of scary,because medical time old men are
really old.
But much like you, much likeyou, I have these dreams and I
think that some people get themand I know that sometimes, very
(22:42):
specifically, it was not a Goddream, yeah, and I think that
one of the main keys that Ipersonally use is was I afraid
in it?
That's good, and the presenceof the Lord, and the true
presence of the Lord.
I don't believe in your dream.
You're going to be afraid, yeah, if you're being told something
(23:05):
and you're, and you know you'restanding up like you were.
I mean, you weren't afraid, youwere, you were full of the zeal
of the Lord talking to BarackObama, and then this happens
night and then night and thennight.
Yeah, and these aren't thingsthat you can just come up in
your head.
These are the things that arebeing whispered to you while you
are in a deep state of sleep,and so to even look at sleep is
(23:25):
amazing because of where yourbrain goes and your rapid eye
movements and all this differentthings.
And the Lord's like you know,I'm going to shut you down and
your body's going to have to dothis so that, even if going
crazy around you, you're goingto have opportunity to hear my
voice if you're open.
And I really feel that spendingtime in his word then also kind
(23:48):
of leads into that, becauseI've had times in my life where
I didn't spend as much time andthen times where I did, and I
feel like he speaks more becauseI'm more aware and ready and
ready for that.
So I think that he wants tospeak to all of his people
because if there are thesesituations like you're talking
(24:11):
about, with rulers that are notgood, that are in charge he, the
goal is is to work then throughhis people, because by working
through his people in thosetimes of oppression, moses
specifically in the OldTestament, working through his
people, that is what shows hisglory from sea to sea.
(24:35):
I mean, it shows it across theto even the people that believe
and not believe.
And so I think that you have tohave that opposition to be able
to have to have darkness to beable to see the light.
So I really think that hespeaks specifically to his
people for absolute a reasoneach time, and you just got to
(24:55):
be willing to listen and thentake it, and then a lot of
people write them down when theywake up, I mean I think that's
one, one kind of things thatpeople do.
obviously share them with yourspouse.
I think that's one of the firstthings, and I have a trouble
because I try to interpret.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
you know immediately what somebody else hears and
that's not always true, you knowand and I've I've had my fair
share of dreams that weren'tfrom the Lord.
I've had my fair share of ofdreams you thought were
something and then they weren't.
And so not every dream is fromthe Lord and not every dream is
(25:34):
saying anything honestly, butbut he does speak that way and I
think what is fascinating inscripture we one of the ones
that fascinates me the most isis Joseph, the, the um, joseph
and Mary with with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's a big, that's a big dream there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Because he had several dreams.
He had one where so Mary isfound to be with child, she's
betrothed, she's a virgin.
Well, I mean, he doesn't thinkshe's a virgin anymore, but
she's betrothed, she's withchild not his.
And the Lord appears to him ina dream and he says don't be
afraid to take Mary, your wife,because that which is within her
(26:15):
is conceived of the Holy Spirit.
And he obeys it.
Yes, he does, and I think thatis incredible.
And then again, when the Lordappears to him in a dream and
says, hey, flee, go down toEgypt.
And he obeys he does, I think,the faith of Joseph in all those
and that's kind of a side, it'sjust incredible.
(26:36):
He had a dream and he followedit, he obeyed the Lord out of
those.
I mean, it wasn't necessarilylike there was a blinding light,
but it was a very clear wordfrom the Lord to him.
And so the Lord definitely andabsolutely can speak to us in
dreams, his timing is perfecttoo.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, yeah.
So I think that there aredreams that are planted for now
and there's dreams that he'splanting and watering for later,
but his timing is perfect forwhere he wants you to be With
Joseph.
It was absolutely perfect andit's a perfect representation of
it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So I think you always have to balance everything you
think you hear from God with theword of God.
Nothing that you have in adream is ever going to violate
the principles or the thingsthat we find in the word of God.
So that's a safety, I think.
And then I don't hearexclusively on dreams.
Most of the time I just getthis piece from the Lord if I'm
(27:36):
to do something or not, a pieceif I'm not supposed to.
That's, honestly, mostly how Ihear the Lord.
I've also had where scripturesjump off the page when you've
been spending time with the Lordand God speaking something
specifically to you.
God speaks in a lot ofdifferent ways and I think it's
really sad.
I honestly think it's super sadwhen I hear Christians that
(27:56):
don't believe that or understandthat God loves that
conversation.
I believe that with all myheart he loves that communion.
Jesus said me and my fatherstand at the door and knock Any
man that opens to us.
We will come in and sup withhim, which means fellowship.
The Lord really delights tohave conversations with his
(28:18):
people and so look for thoseHonestly and develop it.
I remember at an early age I wastaught we can all sit quietly
and ask the Lord to speak to usand he will speak to us.
Now, when you're a kid and youcan come up with some goofy
stuff, but it's a great practicebecause God delights.
(28:41):
It's kind of like the littleboy Samuel Speak, lord, because
your servant hears.
It's important that we haveears that hear what the Spirit
is saying to us.
And when you know that theLord's spoken something to you,
then the Bible says that faithcomes by hearing, and hearing by
the word of God.
And that is directly tied, notactually to the scripture,
(29:02):
that's tied to spoken word, theGreek word.
There is reyma, which is notlogos, it's spoken word of God.
When we hear the spoken word ofGod, then that faith rises up
in us, like Joseph.
Joseph and Mary had, where hehad the faith to go, obey that
dream, because he'd heard theword and the faith rose up and
(29:24):
then he was able to obey it andthat's kind of the process, I
think, of following the Lord.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think it is too, and the cool thing about it is
is that he knows you so wellthat if your place where you're
spoken to is gonna be, let's say, on a lake somewhere, yeah, he
wants to meet you there, that'sright.
If it's walking down a trailsomewhere, he wants to meet you
there.
If it's sitting in your officefor lunch and everything's kind
(29:53):
of shut off, he'll meet youthere.
I mean, that's the amazingthing.
There's not a perfect formulafor everybody, but there is a
perfect formula for you that heknows.
Yeah, absolutely, and I thinkthat you just got to find that.
And then the biggest thing,what you said is you hear, and
if you obey he's gonna keeptalking.
(30:16):
Absolutely, he's gonna keeptalking.
And then, even if you don'tobey, he's gonna talk to you
more.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, well, you have to go back and obey.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You gotta go back and obey, but I mean he needs I've
been talking to you for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Go back and find out the last thing he told you, and
did you do it?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Or just ask him to reiterate it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, there we go.
Could I kind of forgot it,please?
Yeah, okay, all right, jimmy,just to kind of wrap up this
podcast segment a little bit,and I know we're kind of
deciding how in the world are wegonna do that.
But I did want to just tie onelast thing in, and that was
something I learned from theLord speaking those dreams to me
(30:53):
, specifically in regards topolitics, which I've always had
a heart for.
You know that, and I want to beinvolved.
But I realized when I had thatdream, it's just suddenly I'm
realizing about Isaiah.
I'm realizing about the prophetDaniel.
(31:13):
I'm realizing about Esther, whowas also in the government.
I'm realizing about David, whowas David's all, all of these
instances in the word of Godwhere his people are involved in
governmental or as prophetsinvolved, speaking to the
government that he was.
You had to have a properattitude and respect, I think,
(31:34):
for the authorities.
I think that's criticallyimportant.
And I realized that I couldn'tcome at Mr Barack Obama with my
opinions or even my politicalopinions.
It really wasn't that importantUnderstanding Marxism, all that
that is important got it.
But immediately what Iunderstood was that I needed to
(31:56):
speak the word of the Lord.
And in order to speak the wordof the Lord to someone who
doesn't know the Lord, you'vegot to have character, integrity
and you've got to berespectable.
So I mean Isaiah Daniel, allthese folks.
Daniel rebuked the emperor orthe king, king Nebuchadnezzar.
(32:18):
I mean he rebuked these peoplebut they respected him because
he had a life of integrity.
The Bible says he excelledbecause he had an excellent
spirit and even though Daniellived a life that was set apart,
he was fully immersed in one ofthe most wicked administrations
on the face of the earth, whichwas Babylon.
(32:42):
So how do you I feel like a lotof Christians are doing one of
two things are getting highlypolitically active, which I am
not against in any way, I'm notcriticizing that but as a means
of affecting change, and then alot of them are just withdrawing
.
They're just done with it,they're bitter.
I mean, they're just.
Let's just focus on gettingpeople saved and let's just
leave all that alone.
You know, it's all going away,and I think neither approach is
(33:04):
fully what we should be doing.
I think we should be absolutelygetting people saved and
absolutely involved.
We should vote, we should runfor office, but I think the
thrust of what I have tried todo and what I think the thrust
of what a Christian, a believer,should do is Jimmy, to hear the
Lord.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And to be in a submissive attitude, both under
the authority of the Lord andalso respectful of the
authorities around you and boldas a lion that's right and to be
able to speak the truth, evenif it costs you your head or
your reputation.
But you're not just this angry,rebellious, you know mocker out
(33:43):
there, but you're carrying withyou an excellent spirit where
your goal is not actually todestroy people, it is to
influence for the kingdom of God.
That's right and it is a toughbalance.
I mean, you've got a lot ofdifferent influences, you've got
to, you know weigh and all thiskind of stuff.
(34:04):
But I think that's what I havestrived for in my life.
I have not achieved thatperfectly I have not.
But I don't think disengagementis right and I don't think being
so politically stuck thatyou're depressed and all serves
(34:24):
and just worked up about wherewe are.
I think either extreme is notgood and where we're headed may
get really crazy, but if youthink about it, the people of
God always succeed in those kindof times.
Daniel rose to I mean honestlyamazing heights for the children
of Israel, and Israel was nomore when he was doing that.
(34:45):
So I think we're supposed to bethe head and not the tail.
I think we're supposed tosucceed.
So let's listen to the Lord,let's get a right spirit and
let's speak boldly the truth ofthe Lord and grace, and let's
pray for platforms to influence.
I think so.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I really the one word that, when you're saying this,
comes out to me the most is youdon't compromise.
And I think that in politics,if you look at it from just a
broad spectrum, from bothparties, you get people who are
very well meaning, maybe evenChristians, that are going into
it and God has called them intoit Right, but because of
(35:26):
external influences theycompromise that reason they went
in and they will never fully beable to do the work that
they've been putting in therefor yeah, and I think that's
unfortunate Getting to thatpoint where you're able to go in
and not compromise, and thatspeaking to the Lord is what
(35:49):
keeps you from compromising.
I agree, he sets your, he setsyour, he sets you on a path that
lights it for you.
Yeah, so that there's nothingfrom the outside can come in.
And I think that a lot ofpeople have been burned because
they see people come in and theycome in really well, and then
the comfort and it's slow,compromise starts and it's like
(36:10):
that one, one degree you're off,but three miles down the road.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
how many degrees are you?
Well, and we can all see itcoming.
Can't wait.
All the voters can see it andit does happen.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's.
That's not what he's called usto do and I think that you know,
it's just really I think that'sreally important.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yep, Absolutely Well, we had a.
We had a pretty goodconversation tonight.
It was very fun.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Thank you.
Thank you for for joining us.
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