Ep 9 - Hiking Ain't Easy

In this weeks episode, Rawleigh and Rae talk about why they love hiking, their favorite hikes, and most importantly where they find comfy and functional clothes to make the most of hiking in all seasons.

Episode Transcript

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It is 711 on May 14th, 2025. I am Raleigh.
And I'm Ray. And we are the meandering
millennials. We are two mid 30s millennials
here to talk about our lives, travelling, homesteading skills,
dogs, catch chickens, cooking, creating and any other topic
that might spike our interest. Today you are tuning in to

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episode 9 where we are talking about hiking.
Title of this episode is Hiking an Easy Where is it?
But it's necessary. It is necessary, absolutely
necessary. So before we dig into today's
topic, what what are you drinking this evening there
Raleigh? Drinking a severed lime liquid

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Death. Very very refreshing.
They're delicious. Very delicious.
You'll notice a theme. We are a Liquid Death family.
Liquid death give us free shit. Part of our like family shield
little liquid death emblems on. There, it's just good.
I'm not AI, pretty much just drink water.
I'm not a big soda drinker. It's got just enough flavor.

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Still water. Yeah, it kind of hits the spot.
I need something sometime with alittle flavor than just water.
Yeah, a little something extra. Plus the bubbles.
Yeah, bubbles are nice. The.
Carbonation's delightful, Excellent.
I am drinking, uncharacteristically, a beer, a
gluten free beer. The company is called

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Glutenberg. The specific beer I'm drinking
is their Blonde. It's in a very cool yellow can,
and the only reason we have thisgluten free beer is because it
was used in part of a recipe that your brother made for
Mother's Day on Sunday. Shove this can of beer.
Not this one specifically, of course, but of sibling of this

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can of beer right up a little chicken's behind and cooked it
in smoker and it was Tina that'sin delicious.
Yeah, beer can chicken. It was very good.
I've never had beer can chicken before.
Very good, Super moist. Super moist.
I know it's the thing I'm unclear.
I'd assume you'd like open the beer the can.
Yeah, the idea is normally you would like stick like the

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chicken would sit upright basically, and the like the
chicken just sit on the can. And the idea is like as it goes,
like you boil the beer obviouslyand you steam cook the chicken
from the inside out 'cause you still have the heat on the
outside, you're just heating thechicken up from the inside.
But that's why I think you keep all that moisture 'cause you're
just pumping moisture into the chicken.

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Interesting. So that's a very popular thing
people do. It's.
An interesting visual. I'm glad I wasn't there for that
portion. I think he laboration he like
shotgunned the beer and then hadthe chicken sitting in a pan
because he did it on a smoker. I think people typically do it
on like just a regular grill, like a charcoal grill or
something, but he did it on the smoker.
So I think there's a a difference there.

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I don't I don't know. I really never got into smoking
meats was never I just don't have the patience for it.
Like it's delicious. Don't be wrong, But that was
like when he made the brisket for my birthday.
Like he got to the lake house at4:00 AM.
Absolutely. And was there until 7, like
literally all day babysitting. This day.
I she's not for me. I'll eat it all day long.

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Yeah, not for me. Yeah, we appreciate the art.
Yeah, no, 1000%. I just who has the time?
Who has the time? Who has the patience?
Yeah, but yeah, so that was our Sunday evening when we normally
record. So now we're recording on
Wednesday. A little weird, a little
different. We'll make it through.
Yeah, it's a little strange, butnothing crazy.

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It's just different being outside of the routine, I think
more than anything. Yeah.
All right. You ready to get started about
talking about hiking? Yeah, I think hiking is one of
our favorite activities to do together.
And also take the dogs. It's always a good time.
Yeah, I'd say we really started hiking more.
Not that we didn't hike at all before, but I think we got a lot

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more into it just taking the dogs out because we used to take
and we used to take bub out for walks all the time.
I mean, that's what when I live by myself with, but with him, I
mean, we went for three, three quarter mile walks a day.
And so I think I just got used to kind of the habit of just
walking outside because I think it's a.

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Hike when you're a kid too, no? That's what I'm saying.
It's not like we never hiked. We used to go to, you know, the
local State Park that's not too far from us all the time as
kids, just like being outdoor ingeneral.
Like, we go play, you know, discgolf with dad, and that involves
essentially just hiking, chasinga disc around.
So yeah, it's not that we didn'thike at all.

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But I'd say as far as like in myadult life, when I had
responsibility and like handled my own time and priorities, it
wasn't something that was super high on my radar.
I think it was until, yeah, I think really when we moved back
up here back in 2020 after the pandemic mid.
It wasn't even after it was likeright as it was popping.

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I mean, it was like because it first started the end of
February, early March. And so we were like at after the
first wave and things that kind of started to settle down a
little bit. It wasn't like we hadn't hit the
second wave yet because I think that was later in the summer.
We kind of caught it like right as the the kind of first, you
know, peak kind of dropped down,kind of gotten through and

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things were like, oh, things aregetting normal ish.
But yeah, I mean, it would not like, like I said, I think
really the only time we'd go hike when we were in Mason Town
was if we were walking the dogs.Yeah, yeah, we definitely live
in an area that has more access to a ton of hiking trails.

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There's a lot of state parks in our area, a lot of national
forests that are within like a reasonable driving distance that
we can access. So I think it just was easier
once we moved up here as. Well, no, there's definitely a
lot more access because we're, you know, I think the county
that we live in, the majority ofit is state owned, whether it's
Game land, Forest, State Park Reserve, there's a bunch of, I

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mean, that, like I said, that's most of the land around here is
public. Yeah.
State land, Yeah. So what's?
Your favorite part about hiking?I think it's a combination of
things that just being outside, being able to see some of the
stuff that you're not going to normally see.
That's like the two hikes that we did at Shenandoah.

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You're not going to see that andyou know, unless somebody takes
a picture of it. And it's very different being up
there like have experiencing all5 senses, like the, the wind up
at Mary's Rock as soon as we walk around the corner.
Like you don't, you don't get that from a video or from a
photo. You know, the, the smell of the
air, the feel of the sun. I think it's just all the senses

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get involved and I think being outside is like an inherent,
like it, it physiologically changes you as a human being.
Like we've evolved to be outsideand to enjoy being outside.
And, and so I think there's just, you know, there's, there's
chemical things that happen in your body from hiking that that

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obviously, you know, give you like a dopamine hit and that
kind of stuff. Yeah, I think it's goes even
further than that. You know, there's studies about
when you're in your vision field, the color green is very
calming. I'm hearing like water being
near water source is also very calming to your nervous system.
And you know, we've we talked previously, you know, last month

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in our episode about mental health awareness and the end of
May when it aired of accessing those types of resources that
you have that are able to calm the nervous system and able to
kind of bring you a sense of peace.
Like you talked about using yourfive senses.
That's often talked about in like a realm of trying to be a

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coping tool for people who are experiencing anxiety is like,
what can you see? What can you hear?
So I think hiking just naturallyattunes to you getting out of
your head and getting back into your body.
Yeah, and I think it's, again, it goes back to, you know, early
humans like had to hunt outside and had to forage like you.
You had to be hyper in tune withyour environment and where you

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were in it to be outside. Like, because you had a goal
when you were outside, you were either, you know, hunting food
or, like I said, gathering stuff, or I mean, you had to be
on alert but also still focused on the task at hand.
And so I think your body really optimizes itself when you're in
those kind of situations. I think it's just like kind of

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a, a relic from, you know, back when we were early humans and
didn't have all the, you know, the modern conveniences and
distractions and, you know, all the things that we as humans, I
think take for granted nowadays.And I think too, you know, if
you have access to green, that probably means you have access
to food. If you have, if you're hearing

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water, then that means you probably have access to water.
So I think it's that lends itself to like a soothing of the
soul and you can kind of choose,you know, if you just want to go
on a leisurely stroll somewhere or if you want to really
challenge yourself and, and go on a hike that's a long distance
or a steeper climb. So I just think there's a lot of
variability for a lot of different levels and interests

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and I don't know. It's also free as long as you
have like decent shoes and access to an area to do it
safely. But I think even with that, I
mean, you look at, you know, every major urban city has
multiple different parks. When you look at Central Park,
obviously a very famous example,if it wasn't for that, there
wouldn't be, you know, any greenin New York other than, you

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know, people that grow, you know, window sill box or trees
on the sidewalk or something like that.
But as far as somebody actually go and walk in a, you know, we
can argue about how safe CentralPark is, but you know, in in a
relatively safish manner to be able to go out and just sit out
in fresh air and, you know, justsitting on a park bench.
And so I think it's not, it's not unique just to rural areas.

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I think it's, it's so important to us as humans that, like I
said, major urban areas have made it a point to set, you
know, air, you know, to set realestate aside for that specific
purpose because obviously, like you get a benefit out of it.
I mean, you're not, you think of, you know, a park doesn't
inherently make any money if it's a free park, but obviously

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they're getting some sort of financial incentive for doing
that. And so I think, I mean, there's,
you know, the politics of it all, but I think there's also
just like they see this, there'san inherent human benefit to
having green spaces. And so they set aside property
for that particular reason because it's, you know, the
benefits worth the cost. Yeah, makes sense.

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So what is your favorite hike that you can think of?
Your favorite or even maybe likeyour favorite park to hike in if
you can't think of a specific trail.
I like, I mean the park. Here we go, you know New Germany
State Park. Frequent.
Yeah, is probably my favorite. There's a a large variety of
trails. There's a variety of

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difficulties. If you if you want to climb and
have a bit more of an exertive hike, you can do that.
If you want just an easy walk along the stream, you know, the,
the Boulevard, the main green trail that runs through is just
a nice walk on a pretty much paved path, you know, that just
follows A meandering stream for a mile and 1/2.
So if you want to just go do that and be in nature and you

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know, you hear the sound of the stream and the birds and I think
it's just a, a very nice to, it makes you feel secluded and away
because I think that's why a lotof people go hiking is to get
away from other people. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the
reasons we go hiking. Oh.
For sure, that's one of my favorite things about it.

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I think my favorite park will probably be Cooper's Rock, just
because I hiked there a lot as akid.
So it's a little bit more near and dear to my heart.
And there's a variety of hikes there too.
All right, so we kind of talked a little bit of background
information and then we're goingto dig into kind of our hiking
clothing and shoe choices. As we have referenced in earlier

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episodes, Raleigh and I are bothlarge folks.
I am about 5:10, 5/11 where you usually wear like a 2X shirt
size, 2X or 20 in pants. And so sometimes it's
challenging to find hiking clothes or outdoor recreational

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clothes that are comfortable andthat fit me and also that I can
reasonably spend the money on. We, you know, budget and we try
to save up for things, but we'reboth pretty frugal when it comes
to equipment. You know, we're not going to buy

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something just because of the name brand if it's not going to
work for us or if it's there's acheaper option that would work
just as well. So for hiking in the summertime,
I usually wear either boots or trail runners.
It kind of depends on what terrain we're going to be on.
If it's somewhere where there's a lot of rocks or I am worried
about debris or something irritating my ankle.

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I broke my leg in 2022. I think I've mentioned it
before, and I have two metal plates on the outside and inside
of my right ankle. And if there's ever a chance
that like, like I said, there's rocks or sticks, something that
might rub up against those, I will opt for the boots that have
a little bit more ankle coverage.
But if we're somewhere that's like more of a flat or we're

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just taking the dogs on a quick walk around the block, then I'll
do like a trail runner. And I almost always wear
compression socks. One just super comfortable to
me. And also we live in an area that
has a lot of ticks, so I like tokeep as much skin covered as
possible. Summertime hiking, I usually opt
for like a quick dry hiking pant.

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Again, keeps the bugs off of you, keeps you cool for the most
part. And then I wear bike shorts
underneath whatever pants or outer layer that I'm wearing in
lieu of like a traditional like cotton underwear.
I just find them to be more comfortable as a bigger lady.
It's just it's less chafing to be honest.

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TMI but much more comfortable when you're getting warm and a
little bit uncomfortable out there.
And then I for the top layer, I'll either do like a quick dry
shirt, T-shirt, or a sun hoodie.If we're hiking anywhere where
there's going to be any amount of sun, I'll usually opt for the
sun hoodie. That way I don't have to cover

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up with sunscreen. I have a lot of tattoos that I
like to keep protected, but I don't like the sensation of a
lot of like sticky sunscreen on my skin.
So that is a good option. And then I usually wear a hat,
like a ball cap or I have a sun hat if we're like in a little
more exposed area. So what's your setup?

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What are you wearing on a hikingon a hot summer day?
I mean, pretty much the same, the same thing.
I'm a big guy. I'm 66.
I've got a wingspan. I'm also like, I'm not like I'm
big, but I'm proportional. So it's like, so I wear, you
know, normally if it's a, if it's a size pant, it's a 2X, but

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I wear a 40 anywhere from a 42 to a 44.
I'd probably get a 42 now because I've lost a little bit,
but a 44 normally. But then I have to get, you
know, 3X shirts just because I'mtall.
Like my tuso is very tall. So it's not that I need like the
width in the shirt. Like if I get a 4X shirt, it
looks like I'm wearing a night shirt.

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You know what I mean? You look like a.
Toddler and so 3X for me is is more for length.
I mean, I could get away with the 2X if I, you know, was
looking for more of a fitted look, but I also prefer just the
a more casual, looser feel. But yeah, I mean, I've trail,

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I've worn, you know, hiking shoes when I first moved back up
here to finish up college and lived at the lake house full
time. Like worked at her, you know, a
retail store that did outdoor stuff.
They didn't really gear completely towards hiking, but
they would have like hydration packs and hikers and stuff like
that. And there was a program that you
had as an employee that was called 3.5.

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I think it's changed names now, but it was basically like an
inside portal. So if you worked at a retail
store, you could like take quizzes and get brand knowledge
and they would give you discounts on products.
So you would get stuff for cost or like cost plus 10% just to
help kind of be a brand ambassador because you're
selling stuff. And so I always got to try a

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bunch of stuff out and learn to sell a bunch of bunch of stuff.
So I've been wearing, you know, I probably before that I used to
wear skate shoes just because, you know, that was, I worked in
a skate shop and it was kind of the same thing I'd get into.
Yes, exactly. But they have just no support.
They're not meant like they're really not great footwear unless
you're doing that specific activity.

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So I started wearing like just hikers and you know, I have big
feet out from size 13, relatively strong legs, but my
ankles just I always want good ankle support.
I've never been huge on a low cut shoe.
And so like trail like hiking boots were just kind of a
natural fit. You get a lot of nice support up
around the ankle. And I could go that I was

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getting waterproof because I'd be, you know, hauling kayaks in
and out of the water and going on boat tours.
And so if they got wet wasn't a big deal.
They were comfortable for all they use because they're meant
to have support, because they'remeant for you to go obviously do
a lot of walking and stuff like that.
And so I think after that, I've kind of always just as my casual
shoes, I usually wear, yeah, like hiking shoes.

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Yeah, I think you have like 2 pairs of like slip on sneakers
if we like do grocery shopping, but.
Yeah, I've got a pair like a shoes that I used to work out
that are just like running, likethe minimalist running shoes.
I think it's a New Balance cipher.
And then I've got a nicer like burgundy pair that I wear.
It's just a casual shoe if it's not raining in the summertime.
Because they're, you know, they're light, they're

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comfortable, they're cool. But yeah, I've pretty much
always worn like hiking boots all the time.
And so there's not a huge, I mean, I do have specific
dedicated pair that I only like to take hiking just so I don't
tear them up because I mean, believe it or not, you know,
walking on asphalt and stuff like that, like tear shoes up.
Like they're not over the rent to go on hard surfaces like

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that. So yeah, I have a specific pair
that I like, I like, you know, anice full, like mid to high cut
boot that gets nice ankle coverage and support above the
ankle because I don't, I don't want to roll an ankle as big as
I am. That would end very poorly.
Yeah, compression socks, kind ofthe same thing.
I'm just a big guy and I don't know that I have the best

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circulation to begin with. So I always just wear
compression socks. Like when I go to work, I have
compression socks. I have some casual compression
socks that I wear, but that's typically what I'm wearing sock
wise is compression anyway, because it's never going to
hurt. I know some people don't like
them because you don't have as much like support, like they're
not as padded in the bottom of the foot, but I prefer just, you

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know, a nice snug compression, keep the blood flowing and.
Keep everything from getting kind of inflamed and a lot of
times like when you hike a lot, you'll get like that swelling in
your extremities, like even in your hands and your feet and
stuff. So it, it, it really helps cut
down on that. So that's my preference.
Same thing like a quick dry. And I think what's there's a
saying in height like about outdoors about cotton, like

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cotton kettles or something likethat, because it holds moisture,
which is going to like make you cold because you're essentially
walking around in the wet stuff all day.
It doesn't dry. Yeah, it doesn't dry out.
So you really shouldn't wear cotton when you're out.
I think that goes for like any natural fiber.
Yeah, they're just not meant to be.

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Yeah, available. And moisture.
If you're having an experience outside where there's any kind
of like risk of temperature dropping or if you're hiking
somewhere remote, you definitelywant to be like the most
prepared. And I think starting with what
you're wearing is just a very basic way to to ensure like

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you're making safe, good choices.
Yeah, so I, I mean, nowadays anyway, we're, which I most of
my stuff, I wear a lot of Duluthtrading just because they make
bigger stuff for bigger people. So I've worn their stuff for a
long time. It's kind of since I found them
like 15 years ago. I just wear a lot of their
stuff. It's a little more on the
expensive side, but that's, I mean, you can always hunt for

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deals like Black Friday's alwaysa good time to get stuff.
But so I have, they have a dry on the fly material that's super
nice because it dries really quickly.
So if you're, if it's really hotout and you're sweating a bunch,
it will Wick the moisture away from your skin and help cool you
off. But also if it's hot, you can
like get water on it to help cool yourself off and it'll dry

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quickly and you're not walking around and you know, soaking wet
because that's the worst. If you're walking around just
wet clothes, it's, it's no, it'sno fun.
You're also a fan of the Sun hoodie.
Yeah, I'd say we got those. That was another someone on
TikTok recommended the the RE islike in house sun hoodie and you

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know, it works great. It has like the thumb holes
which are really nice to hold the sleeves down.
It's a nice lightweight, breathable material.
Just keeps you cool, keeps us off because I'm I'm there to
joke people all the time. I tan like bacon.
Like I just get crisp. I don't tan, I just burn.
So I try and keep, you know, as much sun off me as I can.
And I just don't like slatheringup with sunscreen feels really

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greasy and even like when you goto shower hours later, you just
feel just kind of gross. So I try and minimize that when
I have to. And then I have like a like a
boonie hat is what I've been wearing as of late.
I think I got it last summer andI've been wearing it since.
I was never a big hat fan. They just feel a little

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constricting to me, but it's nice to help kind of keep the
bugs away and keep the sun off of you.
I mean, I know, like I said, I put a hat on the other day on
Sunday when I was working out onthe chicken run just to keep the
sun off my neck and everything. And I think it made a big
difference. So I'm I'm, I'm converting more
and more to a a full brim hat. Yeah, just to keep.

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The hat convert. Yeah, yeah.
I was never a big fan but going for it all.
Right. Well, before we talk about our
winter hiking clothes, do you want to give a brief chicken run
update? I think you referenced in an
earlier episode you were going to be doing some work on the
roof of the chicken run cover and that was completed this
weekend. Yeah, I said I just built a, you

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know, we built a little 8 by 8 just area to cover in so that
the run didn't get completely soaked and I just didn't have a
chance before the the winner really came in hard to get the
roof on it. So all the structure
substructure was all there. And I just had a tarp rigged up
with some ratchet straps to movethe water, but it wouldn't like

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it would get loose in the way the water would sit on it.
And it was just kind of a pain in the butt to deal with.
But I knew it was temporary whenI put it up.
I just really haven't had the time to get decent weather to do
what I need to do to get that done.
So I knew this was kind of really our first good weekend
that we were here because I think the last good weekend was
when we went to Shenandoah when the weather was decent.

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And so it. Was still rainy that Saturday
because it was gross when we. Left.
So yeah, we had two good nice days.
So I think I worked like like 5 hours Saturday, five hours
Sunday probably. Yeah, at least.
Just like the PVC, corrugated PVC roof on that to get that all
sorted out and so now which justin time because it's rained all

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week so. I don't.
Have to worry about the the tarpsagging because the water and it
sloughs off. I still need to get some gutters
put on there, but it's it's at least diverting the water away
from the the large portion of the chicken run so.
Yeah, Thank you. I appreciate you getting that
sorted out for him. All right, so we'll pivot back
after that little side quest. So for winter hiking, I'm always

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going to opt for boots again, Merrill is usually the brand
that I go with. I just think they're
comfortable. I think they last a long time
for like the frequency that I use them.
Doing the compression socks, I like to do either a legging or
like a fleece lined pant, depending on how cold it is and

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then throw on either quick dry hiking pants or overalls over
top of them. Again, rocking those bike shorts
for a base layer, I'll do like aquick dry, either short sleeve
or long sleeve again depending on how cold it is.
And then adding on either fleecevest, a jacket, puffer.
If it's going to be raining, I'll have a rain shell and then

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hats and gloves just to be fullyprepared.
Like I said, we really do day hikes.
It's not like we're backpacking,so if it.
Yeah, we also aren't big. Like we're not snowshoeing.
Like we're not doing a ton of like really deep snow winter
hikes. Like we'll go take the dogs down
if there's been an inch or two of snow and it's nothing crazy.

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But yeah, it's not like we're, you know, hardcore winter
hikers. Like I said, we're not, we don't
need to be prepped to the gills,right?
So. Anything you would add to that
that you would change up for winter hiking?
I mean, same thing, just a good base layer like I've got, we
went to the the outlets in Hagerstown, to the Columbia

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outlet and got a nice like an Omni tech base layer that has
like the heat reflective lining on it.
But yeah, I mean, just any normally of some sort of
synthetic base layer that's specifically meant for winter.
Because the, the thing a lot of people don't get about winter is
like it needs to breathe enough to like get the moisture away

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from you because moisture is always going to make you cold.
Because when moisture evaporates, it pulls, it pulls
heat. So in the summertime, that's
great. That's literally why we sweat In
the winter time, that's not so good because it's just to make
you that much colder. And so with winter clothing, you
have to kind of find a fine linebetween like breathable enough
to get that moisture away, but like sealed enough to keep the

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heat around you. And so really I think the most
important layer in the winter time is your base layers.
And so yeah, I wear like a long,a long base layer, like pant
full length, and then a long sleeve base layer as well.
And then usually I'll put something like AT shirt or
something on top of it. And then do you know whatever

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jacket I'm going to wear or likeI said, if you if it's really
cold, you do the fleece and thenthe jacket on top of that.
But layering is the big is the big thing in the winter time is
you, you know, it can always take a layer off.
I can't. I can't add a bunch of blades.
The common saying is AB bold, stark, cold.
Gotcha. Yeah, I think you even said that
Chando, because it was cold it. Was cold, we got out the car,

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but if I I don't I think I did have my fleece on I ended up.
Yeah, because you literally saidthat you took it with you and.
20 well. That's because it was just up.
Yeah, because it was served on the incline and so it didn't
take long at all before I was stopping to take.
That to the top of that first set you had.
You had shed it already. Yeah, because we stopped.

(28:21):
Because remember there was that family was there and that the
dad was just talking some crazy shit and we were just kind of
like wide eyed, like, uh huh, OK.
Like let them pass because they were coming up behind us.
So yeah, that would have been inthe first quarter mile.
Yeah, I'd say first quarter milefor sure.

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Yeah, you touched a little bit about getting a lot of your
stuff from Duluth. I think I have some stuff from
Duluth REI we both have some stuff from And then for me, I
think my top spot to find plus size like active wear that I
wear on hiking trips is Old Navy, Man.
Old Navy is where it's at. It's cheap.

(29:03):
I like to peruse the clearance rack and just grab stuff that I
see and as I see it, I don't really go in there with like a
goal in mind and I'm not paying full price.
For it, no, I think that's whichthat's like you said, we're kind
of frugal in that we're like I'll always find like I'm never
paying which part of that's justfor me working retail for 10
years, like I know like what this stuff actually costs.

(29:26):
And so like I'm definitely not going to pay full price for
especially brand names like Columbia or like you are, you
are paying somewhat for the name.
I'm not saying, you know, they've got some great
technology and they do great R&Dand they make great products.
Is it worth what you're paying for it net?
Like it's, I mean, they could sell it for 20% less than what
they're at and still make a decent profit.
So I mean, I always look for a bargain that's like REII only

(29:49):
ever buy, like I said, Black Friday or keep it, you know, if
you're, you know, join REI, if you join as a member, they'll
send you a coupon every quarter.And so I, I get all my stuff,
you know, half off or at least, you know, 25% of that kind of
stuff. But I want to go back to it's
funny that you you go to Old Navy because I used to like
throw at high school. I was always a bigger kid in
your. Skater boy phase.

(30:10):
So I don't know that was quite skater boy yet in high school.
That was probably like senior year and all, and I kind of
converted to skater boy after that.
I wasn't really what I was goingfor, but like Old Navy was the
only place that had like American Eagle didn't make fat
guy stuff and so and also I wasn't going to pay the

(30:31):
outrageous amount of money for ripped jeans.
That was just stupid. But that's not here nor there.
So old Dave used to go to go to because I would get I mean the
same thing. Remember they used to send you,
they would send you a bag and itwas like whatever you could fit
in the bag. It was like a stuff and save
event. And so they would do it like
every year before school. It would be like in the late

(30:51):
summer. And so mom would take me to Old
Navy and it like you just shove this bag full.
If you can get it to the counterin this bag, it was like 25% off
Shut up. And so I would always.
That's literally all my clothes were Old Navy do.
That anymore, this country's fallen so far.
And then, well, that's what I'm getting to is that Old Navy then
changed their cut because they've, especially in recent

(31:13):
years, they've made a huge push about and it's, I'm, I'm super
happy that they're making a hugepush for a lot of women's plus
size clothing. Body Inclusive.
But their men's stuff is lacking.
Like I don't think you can get bigger than a 2X except on maybe
a couple odds and. Ends yeah, I think 2X.
And then they're cut. Yeah, there's like a slimmer
cut. Because I think I had, you know,
when my my parents went to move and they were cleaning out my

(31:35):
closet, I had some old stuff from high school that was a 2X,
which I mean, don't be wrong. It had been washed hundreds of
times probably. So it was a little looser than,
you know, factory, but like it'sstill kind of fit.
Whereas nowadays, I mean, I would look like I was vacuum
sealed into a 2X at Old Navy. And so I don't like when we go,

(31:56):
I humor you and let you go. I don't even bother looking at
stuff because there's nothing that they have that's going to
fit me. And that's really why I went to
Duluth just because you know, asa more, you know, adult, more
mature look, I just like Duluth stuff.
They have a good, they have a good, which is funny because,
you know, my brother is much more of a normal build and he
doesn't like Duluth because it fits like too big.

(32:18):
So I think I said, I think it's just finding what fits and what
works for you and do that. What's in your price range.
And it Duluths the same way likethat's, you know, I get Duluth
stuff. That's what I asked for for
Christmas or I do a lot of like Black Friday, especially this
year. I don't know what it is, but I,
you, you can't go a day without them doing a 20% off.
Yeah, something like I get the emails daily that they're, you

(32:39):
know, they do a flat. Sign of the economy is how many?
It's a sales you're getting charged too much for their shit.
Like it's if you can sell it allthe time at 20% off, just make
the normal price 20% off. But that gets into, you know,
retail psychology and and there's a whole reason that they
do all that shit. But yeah, so I, you know, like
anything, find something that fits, find something that works

(33:01):
for you and then just look for sales.
That's like REI is the same way.You know, I love Cotopaxi is a
very popular brand that I have acouple things from.
And they also do make bigger stuff because again, not all
outdoor brands make bigger than 2X in men's.

(33:22):
Again, I couldn't speak to women's, but I know you know,
most of Columbia, some of their higher end stuff they don't do
in 3X, but a lot of their stuff,especially the more budget
minded stuff they do in 3X. Cotopaxi does a 3X Patagonia.
A lot of the bigger brands are starting to do at least a three

(33:44):
XI wish. You know, I never really
understood the whole like, well,fat people don't do this stuff.
No, fat people do. We do when we can.
Which I mean, that's kind of thesame thing for me because I'm,
I'm tall and bigger and so I wear like a 4434 pant, which is
just odd to find because companies assume you're either
like really fat and really short.

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So you know if it's a, if it's a44, it comes in a 30.
Like the? Like the big, the big and tall
stuff would only come up to that.
But then they think if I'm, you know, tall, if I need a 34 or a
36, they're like, oh, you're only a 36.
Like you're not like my body shape is not a huge marketing
point for a lot of these companies.

(34:28):
So I think, like I said, just find, find what works for you.
And then, yeah, find it on sale,find it on a budget.
A lot of these companies, if youjust like subscribe to their
e-mail for the first transaction, they'll give you,
you know, 15% off or whatever. And if you're a member, they'll
throw you sales and stuff like that.
But it's, I always kind of look at that as if, if it's money you

(34:50):
were going to spend anyway, thengo ahead and get the deal on it.
Now, I'm not one that's going to, I'm not going to buy
something specifically like I'm not going to buy extra shit I
don't need because it's on sale.I know a lot of people that are
like buy crap that they don't need at all because it's on sale
putting something to use. This is why I have a very
minimalist to e-mail and I unsubscribe from everything

(35:13):
because I can't be tempted by their twisted ways and.
Coupons and that's fine. That's you do you.
Do you know what works for you? I'm just saying I don't.
It works for you to do that. It works for me to not get the
coupons, but I will hit up the Goodwill every couple weeks.
Just peruse and ladies, you be perused in that men's section
because that's where I find so much active wear, especially

(35:37):
tops, jackets. Just this week I just popped in
on a whim. I had a meeting and was going to
lunch. I'm like, I'll stop by on my way
through and found us each a puffer jacket.
They're a little big. Raleigh got a four XI, have a
3X. Again, they're a little too big
for us. Like we could definitely layer
underneath for like a very cold winter hike, but $10 each.

(36:00):
And it's something that I've hadon like my wish list of things
that I know I need to get beforewe go out West to be able to
pack. So 10 bucks each, you can't beat
that. Yeah, no, as I said, for 10
bucks, like I've got, you know, a Patagonia one again that I got
on sale. But that's why I said for 10
bucks, even if I wear that to work and it gets ruined, like
it's 10 bucks, like it's not. Yeah, a huge like that's so

(36:20):
cheap for something like that. And they're not.
Like T-shirt. Name brand, there's nothing
special about them, but functionally it's an item that I
needed. And then I've been trying to
look online and like, look at sales and look at end of
season's clearance. And I'm still like 100 plus
bucks. And if we hiked, you know, and
really if we were more into likesnowshoeing or we were skiers,

(36:44):
like, then it would make more sense for me to invest in
something. But we're more casual hikers.
We're dead. And I think that goes back to,
you know, saying what works for you.
I'm one where like I will happily spend good money on
something that's quality that I'm going to get the function
out of. Like I don't mind, Like I said,
if it's something, you know, if you're out on a hike and it's

(37:06):
cold and you're cold, like you're going to be miserable.
Like it's worth spending the money to me to be comfortable
doing that. Now, again, I'm not going to buy
four of them. Like I have one good nice
quality puffy that I paid, you know, more than maybe a normal
any other people would. Again, not crazy.
I mean, I'd buy a $300 puffy. You know, I got $160 puffy half

(37:30):
off. No, And I think also you said
the magic F word was function because I've always been one.
I've always said function beforefashion.
I truly don't care how somethinglooks.
I mean, I care about how it looks in my opinion.
I don't care what other people think about what it looks like.
And so that's I think that's part of the reason I like
Codopaxy is because they've got a lot of like the old school
bold earth tones. Like it's got a very like, I

(37:53):
don't know, like early 80s vibe.To it.
Yeah, which I think a lot of people like.
It was very out of fashion, but I've always been one of earth
times. But now I've never been 1.
I don't like I said, I care way more about function than I do
about what something looks like.I just don't.
That's like watches. I've never I've never been a
watch where I don't see, especially in the day of cell

(38:13):
phones have all your information.
I don't see any purpose. I mean, maybe if you have like
an Apple Watch and you do all the other shit that an Apple
Watch does, but like if you're literally just wearing an analog
watch, like that's just an accessory, like that's not a
function at all. It's that's not for me.
I just don't that's, that's exactly it.

(38:35):
It's I don't I don't have time for unnecessary.
I said a functional accessory. Oh, OK.
I thought you said it. You heard unnecessary.
That's because I wanted to hear unnecessary because that's what
I think it is. So I've just never been one for
useless shit. Yeah, I like the aesthetics of
Kodopaxi, but it's just a littlerich for my taste.

(38:56):
No, which that's why I said I would never pay full price for
that. Like I said, I think the fleece
that I got from them was half off because it was last, which
that's again, going back to if you're looking for outdoor
stuff, REI, like I said, Black Friday or REI will always just
dump inventory when the season changes.
So when you go from fall to winter and from winter to

(39:17):
spring, like as that season changes, like these companies
come out with new colorways and stuff.
So they just want to get rid of it.
And so you can get stuff, you know, thirty 4050% off fairly
frequently again, on on nicer brands.
Like I don't, I could care less that it's it's last season's
color out of fashion. Like I don't care.

(39:38):
Like I really like the color anyway.
Yeah, yeah. And so yeah, I I I don't really
care like just, you know, look for deals.
Yeah. And like I said, if you're, if
you're don't be afraid to spend money if you have it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't be afraid to spend money
on quality pieces. They're going to last you.
And that was, you know, with Duluth stuff, I've never had an

(39:59):
issue. I've put it through its paces.
I've never had it, like, come apart and be broken or need
mended. You know, I wear it till it dies
and it gets, you know, fully functional life.
But again, a pair of underwear isn't going to last you years
and years and years and years. Like especially a bigger guy
like me that you know, is harderon stuff.

(40:20):
Yeah, I think I'm going to speakfor both of us, So correct me if
I'm wrong, but I would say like the clothes that I hike in and
my hiking boots are the most expensive clothes and
accessories that I have. Like my day-to-day stuff.
I'm always on that clearance rack.
I have good quality shoes. Like I wear a lot of Tevas.
Even my boots are Tevas that I've had for like gosh, there's

(40:43):
black Chelsea boots I probably had.
For that was. Seven years through.
You know when I was on 3.5 I would get used to not like we
even paid full price for that stuff, you know what I mean?
Like I get this, which again, I'm not saying I wouldn't pay
full. Price.
No, no, no, they're quality pieces.
But I'm just saying like we haveinvested in pieces that we wear
hiking that we would not be spending the same money on.

(41:05):
Like something to just like wearon a nice date.
It's the point I'm trying to illustrate.
Like my most expensive pair of shoes are a pair of hiking
boots. Yeah.
Just as what it is, it's a life.I'm willing.
All right, so wrapping up talking about hiking, what is
your number one hiking accessorythat we have not talked about?

(41:25):
We've talked a lot about clothesand shoes, but what is something
else that you were bringing on every single hike that we have
not talked about? Doesn't necessarily be something
you wear, just something that you're.
I think it's something I need tobe better at.
Is a knife because I used to I used to always have a knife on
me and. Then you almost got and then.
Yeah, that was a funny yes. I think we briefly got into that

(41:48):
in the five years, in 10 years, 10 years.
But yeah, I I could have gotten myself probably arrested at the
National Smithsonian because I just always had a pocket knife
on me. It was just like I said, it was
one thing. It was normal.
You know, I worked a job where Iwas outside a lot and so it just
made sense to have something like that on me all the time.
And I just got away from that because I kept breaking like the

(42:10):
clips off of the clip on your pocket.
And so I just got away from fromhaving one on, but I need to get
back, especially with us going out West, just having one on me
just because it's, I think it's important to have in any kind
of, you know, safety situation. It's never going to hurt you to
have, but it doesn't take up, takes up almost no room at all.

(42:33):
So that's a big one. And hydration packs I think.
It's like the hydration packs. I mean, I just you, you have to
have water, especially, you know, if you're only doing a
mile or two, it's not a huge deal.
But water is, you know, the mostimportant thing as human beings.
Like, you can't, I don't think what you can't survive three
days without water. Yeah.
Like that is other than air, that is the first thing that is.

(42:54):
Pretty mild conditions, obviously if you're in more
extreme conditions. That which like I said, if
you're exerting yourself on a hike or something like that, so
it's, it's always, I would say it again, it is always better to
have more water than you need less water.
Yeah, You know, you talked earlier about wearing the higher
boots, so you've got some ankle protection.
Like, heaven forbid you twist your ankle somewhere that you

(43:15):
can't easily get out or you haveto wait hours for rescue.
You definitely want to make surethat's something on there.
I mean, we'll do a full episode about hiking essentials and
things we carry in our pack. But yeah, I think that's a
pretty good one. Yeah, I say that.
Like I said, are you know, I always have nail jeans, like I
always have water bottles themselves.
And then also I'll take them, I'll get on longer hikes.

(43:38):
If we're going on a shorter hike, we're just taking, you
know, taking Dixie out for WLK, I'll just throw a couple nail
jeans in my backpack. But when we do longer hikes,
definitely the hydration packs nice to have because that way
you're not lugging around, you know, you don't have a bunch of
water sloshed around because I think it's a gallon of water
weighs 8 lbs. Oh.

(43:59):
Interesting. You don't want to have that
slosh around and weird, you know, like sometimes I'll take
an algae, I'll drink the the full one-on-one side of my
backpack and then you just feel lost because like your backpack
wants to drag on one side. And so yeah, I think the
hydration packs probably my, my,my, go to all.
Right, mine is trekking poles. I bought trekking poles after I

(44:21):
broke my leg and we started to get back out on the trails and I
pretty much use them if there's any kind of incline or if
there's like challenging terrain.
I use them all the time and I don't care that it's like
usually me and the senior citizens on the trail who are
using them. I have poor balance.
I clearly have the ability to shatter my leg with very little

(44:45):
effort on my part. So I just use it as kind of an
extra safety measure to ensure that I am staying upright at all
times. It's also good for it gets more
of your body involved. I think it's good for your core
also to just keep everything engaged while you're out there
and helps with fatigue. And I would honestly, I would, I
would get a pair. I don't have anything against

(45:06):
them but just like them making them for people as tall.
As they do make them like extended sizes, it's just.
Something that they're super, they're not easy to come by.
Like you have very limited options because I've looked on,
I've looked on Aria because that's something I would never
buy without like having it in myhand because you have to get
because a lot of people don't like there's a, the right height

(45:27):
that you're supposed to have. I think it's when you're, when
you're standing flat footed, your elbows should be at a right
angle when you hold the handle. And that's like just a that is
like your skeletal geometry tight situation.
So you want to make sure you have the right size.
So I wouldn't, I wouldn't buy them without being able to try
them anyway. And finding them places is is
not the easiest. I remember we checked we were

(45:49):
somewhere it wasn't when we wentto the actual Aria.
Sierra. That place in Frederick.
Frederick. I think it was there and they
were in a mall somewhere and they had a like a department
store that had. Maybe you were in a Dick's?
Yeah, that might. I think that might have been.
Three in the Dick's Sporting Goods at the Mall at Ross Park

(46:09):
when Tallulah died. No, I don't think it was that.
You don't think it was that true?
No, cuz that was that was. No, I don't think it was that.
But yeah, I like them. I don't care if it's just me and
70 year olds, they're onto something.
Oh no, like I said, there's a reason they make them and that's
and a lot of people that do likepeople that do like the AT and

(46:30):
do a lot more strenuous especially.
Like a heavy backpack. Do it, like I said, just because
it helps, you know, it helps with balance, it helps you use
your whole body instead of just using your legs.
And you figure if you're doing 8miles, like your legs are going
to get worn out even like help spread the load.
Some of the long distance hikersthat I follow on Instagram, like
the one woman was like, I hike 50 miles and I was like, sis, I

(46:51):
don't know how, but she uses them.
So yeah. It's personal preference I
think. It's like I said, fine.
Find what works for you and don't let anybody tell you that
it doesn't work for you. Yes, try them.
Do not feel embarrassed if that's something that's going to
help you navigate on a trail more safely and and you feel
more confident in your ability to, you know, traverse through

(47:15):
different terrains. Absolutely give them a shot.
If people think that you're whatever.
I don't I I don't really understand the weird stigma
around using them, but if peoplefeel that way then I'll let them
because they ancient people. Yeah, I mean, it's like with
anything, you're going to find what works for you and who cares

(47:36):
what the people think? I know, I know.
I do think there absolutely is astigma about, you know, being in
a bigger body and being in spaces of recreation Whenever
you may feel like a little self-conscious about your
abilities out there. And I don't know that you
experienced that. The look you're giving me tells
me you probably don't. Maybe that's because you're a

(47:58):
dude. As a woman, it's definitely one
of those things where you feel like, oh, people are judging,
but. I don't know that it's that I
just, I don't know. I've, I always, I have very
little bandwidth for fucking other people's opinions in that
situation. Like I don't, like I said, I'm
I'm all for constructive criticism.
I'm all for having a conversation about stuff.

(48:18):
I I don't understand judging people just for the sake of
judging people like that is justan absolute waste of time and
brainpower. And I don't like like what, what
could you possibly have to say is detrimental to somebody else
using trekking pull. Like I don't, I'm just saying
no, no, no, and I'm with you andI'm just saying if they're out
there listening, fuck you. Like it's why, like it's let

(48:42):
other you know what's what was it from that you know, don't
yuck my Yum. Like I don't if it works for me
and you don't. I'm not saying you have to take
trekking poles out with you. I'm just saying I'm going to
take them and if you want to shoot me a side eye, whatever.
Yeah, well, I appreciate that that is your point of view.
Not all of us are as confident in our goings in the world as

(49:04):
you are. So I just want to encourage our
folks who might be a little hesitant to on the inside you
just say fuck y'all. But I think it's also for the
people that maybe aren't to stop.
Doing that, I think you're overestimating the amount of
empathy that people who would normally act like a Jackass are

(49:25):
going to take. Take that message.
I just. Well, that's I'm just saying
that those people need more empathy.
They do. I'm not sure that we are the
source of that. But society is and we are part
of society. So if we can, if we can make
small incremental change, why not try?
That's very philosophical. Thank you for ending on that

(49:47):
note. Now he's a philosophizer.
You want to wrap us up on today's episode 9 I.
Suppose I can do that. 10 out of10A preach.
Thanks. For listening to this week,
guys, hiking ain't easy, but it's necessary.
And sometimes it is easy. Yeah, no matter what, it should

(50:10):
be fun. If it's not fun, you're doing it
wrong. Yes.
So yeah, do all the things, comment, share.
You know, like bells, whistles. Who the hell knows?
I'm not sure what. Who knows what platform this
will be on next week. Yep, right now we are only on
Spotify. We are trying to figure out how
to be on other platforms, but again, we have day jobs and

(50:33):
we're doing our best. So if you keep doing the things,
we can maybe make this our day job and be better, that kind of
stuff. So do all the stuff.
Do all the things. Yeah, we appreciate it.
And it tells us that you appreciate it.
So do that. Awesome.
And if you stuck around through all the babbling and yapping
this song, we have two additional little things we'll

(50:54):
share. Wrapping up, what was your
favorite piece of media that youexperienced this week?
Favorite piece of media? I'm always unprepared.
You're always unprepared. I'm not sure how we record.
One, because I don't. I just don't actively.
Think questions every week. I just don't actively think
about it until you ask me. Also I just don't consume a ton

(51:16):
of media so it's hard to. Do you like for me to stop?
Asking no, I because I need to figure it out.
That's the whole point is I needto, I need to find stuff that I
appreciate and share with other people.
So I'll know you go 1st and I'llthink of something.
I'm not going to talk about 1943because I feel like that's all

(51:38):
we've talked about the end of several of the last.
It's still just not. It's not, it's getting better,
but it's just not 1883. It's just.
Episode 3 slaps a little bit harder, but yes.
So I was at the local Walmart this evening right after work.
I had to stop and get some dog food and good luck.
Babe by Chapel Roan was playing over the radio and I haven't

(51:59):
heard it in a while. I don't know.
And it was a real bop and I was like, damn, I really like this
song. So that's my media of the week
was the Walmart radio. You know what, I'll.
I'll take a page out of your book here and do her new song
The Giver. So good.
It's crazy like that. How that's not playing on every

(52:20):
country radio station. I don't understand it.
Yeah, no it. Is you don't like pop music, so
if you're. It's it's not that I don't like
pop music. I'm a hipster and I don't
appreciate that. Everybody else.
No. At the end of the day, pop
music, like there's a reason it's super popular and it's
called pop music is because like, musically speaking, it's

(52:41):
like it's going to be good. Like it's going to want to make
you move. It's going to like this.
There is a physics to it and that's the reason why we do
that. And so, yeah, there's science to
it. But no, I've like, I've listened
to it a couple Times Now and it is like so good.
It's solid. It's yeah.
And you didn't even grow up listening to like 90s Country,
which to me it's like a little bit of a throwback of like the

(53:03):
real power chick 90s like Patricia Yearwood.
Yeah, a lot of like Shania FaithHill vibes.
Yeah, kind of like there's like a fuck you.
You don't have the nostalgia that I do.
And I'm not even a huge country music fan to begin with, so now
I just it's a, it's a bop. Springtime hits and windows roll

(53:24):
down George Strait on the radio.I can't.
I just, it's not for me. It's all right.
Like I can appreciate there's like some that I do have some
nostalgia for, but I'm never like, I'm never going to turn
on, you know, Froggy. No, whatever the hell it is.
Listen. To the new stuff, I listened on
Spotify, the 90s country, That'swhat we're doing.
You wait till we go out West. You're going to do every word.

(53:46):
And finally, what was the best thing you ate this week?
We talked a little bit about some beer butt chicken.
Is that the favorite thing? I know, my favorite thing.
Yeah, I'd say probably the Yeah,the beer cane chicken.
Beer cane chicken. Was that whole?

(54:06):
That whole? That whole meal was delicious.
It was a lot of of dairy, a lot of cheese, lot of cheese.
It's cheese, dairy, it's. Cheese, dairy.
My favorite was so you were out working on the chicken run and
you were supposed to make a potato casserole for your mother
for Mother's Day. And as the time was dwindling
towards the time you needed to leave the house, I came out and

(54:28):
asked if I should just start it.And you sent me the recipe and I
made it and it was fine. It was delicious.
Like making it was fine. I guess that's what I'm trying
to say. I'm not sure that it's, I think
you can make it from now on is what I'm getting at.
It was a lot more steps than I normally take in preparing a
meal. But it was for your mother and

(54:50):
she did enjoy it. So that was the win.
But I made it and I took it out of the oven and I kind of taste
tested it. And you were getting out of the
shower. I remember you came in and you
were like, oh, I fucked up the, I fucked up the buffet potatoes.
They're not good. And I was like, how like, how
did you? Because you said that?
And then you were like, oh, theydon't taste good.
And I was like, what do you meanyou don't take?

(55:11):
There's three ingredients and none of them.
And I was like, I don't know, man, I just fucked up the recipe
somehow. So I think we're just going to
have to leave it here. As soon as you said that, I knew
you were just. You were just saying that
because you want to eat it all. You have to leave it here,
really. Good, not really bad.
And then throughout the week I'll just taste test it and
determine where I went wrong so I can learn from my mistakes and

(55:33):
do better. Next, which it is very similar
to cheesy potato crass roll. That was very much nostalgia for
you. Still what I ask for, like if I
go to my mom's house and it's just me and her and she's like,
what do you want to eat? Potato casserole.
Which I what's different? Like what is she?
How are she? Usually does.
The potatoes she gets usually has like the chunks of onion
and. Peppers chocolate, so she does

(55:54):
like the potatoes O'Brien. It is, but it's like shredded.
So it's not the chunk, so it's still hash Browns, but just with
the Peppers on. Yes, that you would normally in
it and then just like a ton of cheese, it's delicious.
So yeah, that was mine. I made it.
I had told your family that if it was gross that you made it,
and if it was delicious, then I made it.
Which I would have lived with what and fine with me.

(56:16):
If I'd just blamed you, if it really was bad, I would have
just not taken it over there. It was really that bad.
Like it was, really. Inedible.
No, which that's when you said that I was thought like the only
thing I could think of you wouldhave messed that up was if you
had just like burnt it to a crystal.
Like there's no way you had it in the oven like they were
frozen potatoes. Like you'd have had to have left
that in there unattended for hours to char that.

(56:36):
No, it was delicious and potatoes are my favorite food
group so. Yeah.
And cheese is my second favoritefood group, so yeah.
That's what I can't beat there. Yeah, you can't beat cheese plus
potatoes. Always good equals.
Happiness. Always good.
Excellent. All right, dude, take us out.

(57:10):
Bye.