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Welcome to media Melanie TV Today I'm back to talk about
monster the Ed Gein story on Netflix.
This is one I was very excited to watch.
I just finished binging it. What initially got me interested
in Ed Gein and I mean I love alltrue crime really was my
favorite true crime podcast. Morbid, who by the way, are
nominated in the Golden Globes very first podcast category.
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Congratulations to Ash and Elena, but they did a three-part
story on Ed Gein. And if you're looking for a true
through to life story about Ed Gein's actual story, I highly
recommend that you go and listento that.
Because this adaptation took so many creative liberties and
embellished so much of Ed Gein'slife, it diluted the story to
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the point where a lot of it was not even truthful and completely
fictionalized. 1st I'm going to get into the things that I
actually did enjoy about the series and whether or not I
think you should watch it. And then I'm going to get into
some of the stuff that most definitely did not work.
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But first and foremost, I would like to highlight the incredible
performances of Charlie Hunnam and Laurie Metcalf.
Charlie Hunnam must have literally trained for this role,
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for I don't even know how long to be able to capture Ed Gein in
this way, with his mannerisms, his speech, his body language,
even the looks, the way that they created this character and
his visual appearance. Every single thing about this.
I think it could actually end upearning him an Emmy, even though
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I think overall the series fell pretty flat for me.
Charlie Hunnam deserves recognition because this was not
an easy role to pull off by any stretch of the mind.
Not only just because Ed Gein was quite the interesting
character himself, but also because the content here is a
little bit horrific. And when I say a little bit,
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actually, I mean a lot. Because between the perfectly
preserved vulvas, the grave robbing, him getting it on with
an actual corpse, and then his girlfriend getting in the ice
bath because he wasn't very intoit and needed her to be colder,
there were so many moments here I was almost ready to look away.
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Him wearing the skin suits, the nipple chair, the heart in the
pan. I mean, seriously, I actually
wanted more of that. I wanted to see more of what he
actually did in real life and actual things he did, not just
fake things. And I'm going to get more into
that later. But I also think it would have
been nice to see a little bit more of Lori Metcalf.
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And I think they could have potentially accomplished that by
maybe having more flashbacks to his childhood.
And I guess maybe they would have had to cast somebody
younger. And either way, I just wanted
more Laurie Metcalf. She played Augusta Gein to AT
she was so unhinged. And along with Charlie Hunnam, I
would love to see Laurie Metcalfget some recognition for this as
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well because these two actors completely deserve it.
They were the highlight of this entire 8 episode series and they
were really the biggest bright spots for me overall.
But again, I would have liked more context into how Ed Gein
got this way. Yes, he had an overbearing
mother. She was obviously very against
fornication and men in general. She only got with her husband a
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couple of times. And we did see that relationship
and how that sort of helped Ed Gein, I guess, get to where he
was. But really in the long run, Ed
Gein was diagnosed with schizophrenia.
A lot of this was mental illnessand a lot of it also the
circumstances of his and environment.
And I'm not saying that makes any of what he did justifiable
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by any stretch of the mind. But I think if they had been
able to show us a little bit more context about the
relationship and again, just giving us more Laurie Metcalf, I
think that would have made a difference.
But another part is I don't think the show needed to be 8
episodes in general. For me, they could have told
this story, left out a lot of the embellishments, and got to
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the same point in four to six episodes.
Honestly, I think 4 or would have done it because all of
these extraneous things like what is Ryan Murphy thinking
here? If we're telling the story of a
serial killer, can we not just stick to what actually happened
to give us a true perspective ofthis very disturbing man?
Ed Gein? First and foremost, Ed Gein was
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only confirmed to have killed two people, maybe 3, potentially
his brother. Obviously, they showed that he
did kill his brother here on theTV show, but we don't know if he
did or not. I mean, yeah, it's it's very
possible. But all of these other murders,
the chainsaw thing never happened.
Killing a nurse in the institution never happened.
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Killing the babysitter never happened.
Yes, she was a real life person who actually did go missing.
But Ed Keene had nothing to do with that.
So the fact that they're literally just making things up
left and right here, that did not sit right with me at all.
I wanted more of the grave robbing.
I wanted more nipple chairs. All of that stuff was so very
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horrifying. I think showing us more of that
would have really shown more about the truth of who Ed Gein
was rather than making all of these things up.
Now, his girlfriend, Adeline, she was actually a real person.
But The thing is, she downplayedher relationship with Ed after
they had initially published a story about her.
So it's hard to say exactly maybe how involved she actually
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was with him, but she basically,we played it off like, you know,
we only had this kind of short relationship.
He asked me to marry him, he wasa very nice guy, etcetera,
etcetera. She played a very prominent role
in the TV show. That fictionalized Liberty maybe
wasn't quite as alarming to me because at least it was somewhat
based in truth. Like the babysitter.
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Okay, yes, Ed King did babysit for kids, which is just
absolutely appalling to me in general, but why make up the
fact that he killed the babysitter?
Okay, I get a dramatic effect. All of the tension, all of the
horrifying crimes, but for a guywho only really killed two
people, they made him out to be much more of a serial killer
than he really was in real life.And let's talk about some of
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these other storylines they had going.
The whole Alfred Hitchcock, Norman Bates thing, and then the
Toby Hooper Texas Chainsaw Massacre situation.
Now, Toby Hooper has said he actually got inspired by the
whole chainsaw of it all by standing in the department store
during the holidays and thinkingabout cutting everybody up with
the chainsaw. And they did show that in the
show. And yeah, maybe Ed Keene loosely
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inspired that, but I don't thinkit was necessary to have these
two storylines about the other movies and pop culture
references that played into Ed Gein.
I just, I don't know. I don't think it was necessary.
It didn't naturally fit into thestory.
It felt very separate for me. So, yeah, while there was some
inspiration for Norman Bates andLeatherface, why did it have to
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become such a big part of a story that was supposed to be
centered on Ed Gein? Serious question here.
We know Ed Gein inspired BuffaloBill in Silence of the Lambs,
and maybe we could have had a little bit more of that, I
guess, but All in all, I don't think any of that was necessary.
Another thing that was definitely true, he was very
much into the Nazi war criminal literature.
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OK, fine, let's show the comic books.
OK. Do we need to bring the Nazi war
criminal Ilsa to life and have all of these other scenes?
Again, I just don't think it wassomething that we needed at all.
What did you guys think? Did you enjoy all of this extra
movie content in there? What did you think about the
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Nazi stuff? I hated it.
I hate Nazis. I didn't love the story.
I don't think it was necessary to paint the picture of Ed Gein
that they, again, could have painted without a lot of this
extra fluff. And can we talk about the dance
number at the end when Ed Gein was in the psychiatric facility?
Like, what are they doing? That was almost reminding me a
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little bit of Ryan Murphy's Grotesquery, which is really one
of the most unhinged things I think he's ever done.
And yeah, Ryan Murphy's done a lot of crazy things.
American Horror Story, we all know the earlier seasons were
much better than the later ones,unless we can get Sarah Paulson
and Evan Peters back, which, by the way, they did tease at the
Emmy. So fingers crossed for that.
Grotesquery was a complete mind.FA lot of it felt like, what am
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I even watching here? And I had a lot of that same
reaction during these 8 episodesof Monster.
And I think the most glaring 1 is that again, Ed Gain was only
confirmed to kill Mary and Bernice.
All of these other deaths never happened.
I can't get over the fact that they just made shit up about an
actual person and killer who yesquite notorious but did he ever
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talk to other serial killers or the Mindhunter team?
Oh my gosh you guys, when they brought in the fake ass
Mindhunter people I almost lost it.
I'm like what are they actually doing here?
First of all, not even the real actors.
But that said, Jerry Bruto's theshoe fetish killer was played by
Happy Anderson who actually reprised his role here.
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So that was the only true connection to Mindhunter.
But all of that other stuff never even happened.
And for anybody who is not versed in the Ed Gein story and
you're just watching this thinking that this is all fact,
I think it is just inherently wrong that Ryan Murphy did this
to viewers. I don't have a lot more to say
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on it, but I felt compelled to come on here and share a video
also as APSA to let everybody know.
Again, if you're unfamiliar withEd Gein, a lot of this stuff is
not even true. So I encourage you to go and
listen to a Morbid podcast, check out their three parter on
Ed Gein to get some actual factsabout who this man was.
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And one thing I think was interesting, the way that they
portrayed him was in a humanistic way.
And not that you feel bad for him.
I mean, obviously the guy's likestringing up bodies in his barn
and getting all of the innards out.
I mean a lot of this was horrific and disgusting, but
ironically that was my favorite part.
I think the lie detector scene was something interesting too
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because he really didn't think he was lying.
With his diagnosis of schizophrenia it is hard to tell
or discern. Maybe some of these things were
hallucinations but some of them clearly were not.
The chainsaw thing. I mean the detectives truly
questioned him to ask if he killed those two men in the
woods. It showed us him killing them.
Maybe it was something that he could have imagined, but the way
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they played it off in the show, it did happen.
And again, the babysitter didn'tactually kill her real life
person who was killed. Why are we making things up
here? Ryan Murphy.
I am not OK. My favorite part was all the
horrific stuff. I loved seeing him dancing
around in skin suits, wearing women's clothing.
That's the heart of who this manwas.
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And I think they should have honored the character here more.
And again, that's that. Charlie Hunnam, Laurie Metcalf,
these two knocked it out of the park.
Absolute masterpiece performances.
Could not have cast better people to play Augusta and Ed.
And that was really my favorite part part and the most
entertaining part was watching these two, especially when they
had scenes together. I mean, the skeleton sitting in
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the rocking chair, absolutely wild.
But another thing, I didn't necessarily buy the whole
Adeline thing, right? If I was a person who saw a
nipple chair in somebody's houseand then figured out that the
dead mother was there, would youhave come back to that?
Are you kidding me? Are we supposed to believe after
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all that she's coming back? Yes, They did also paint her to
have some psychological issues, which, you know, came out at the
end there. But even with the most disturbed
of people, I don't know, I just still have a really hard time
believing she would have come back for that.
So a lot of it, yes, is fictionalized.
But I'm also curious to hear what everybody else thinks.
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I would love if you drop your thoughts on this season of
Monster. How would you rank it with the
other monsters? I'm going to be honest, I did
not watch the Menendez brothers.I watched part of Dahmer and
then I just kind of stopped. Even though I do like Evan
Peters, I don't know. That season just fell flat for
me. And the next season of Monster
is going to be Lizzie Borden. They said that at the end of
episode 8. That is one that I might end up
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watching as well. I think she's got a very
interesting story, but also Lizzie Borden is from Fall
River, MA. I grew up not far from there, so
for me, the geography of it all is definitely going to at least
buy me in for part of it. But it also makes me wonder what
liberties did he take with the Menendez brothers and the Dahmer
story? For anybody who's watched,
please do let me know. But it makes me not trust Ryan
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Murphy even for the Lizzie Borden story.
I'm going to have to do my research on her again before I
watch to figure out why Is he lying?
Is he going to lie? Is he going to portray her story
to be credible and realistic or is he going to go completely off
the rails like he did here? So please let me know all of
your thoughts. I'm dying to know.
Am I alone here or did you find the fictionalization and
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embellishments to add to the entertainment and the drama of
the series? Again, I think this could have
been 4 to 6 episodes told the true story of Ed Gein without
all of this other stuff. That's about all I've got on
this. But I will be back very soon
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