Are global health initiatives purely about safeguarding humanity, or do shadows of ulterior motives lurk beneath their surface? Join me, James Egidio, along with James Roguski, as we dissect the complex and often murky world of international health governance. The crux of our latest Medical Truth podcast peels back the layers of the WHO's proposed pandemic treaty, revealing the tightrope walk between national sovereignty and global cooperation. We scrutinize the power plays in Geneva, the potential overreach of 'open-ended frameworks', and the high-stakes negotiation table where the health of billions and the sovereignty of nations hang in the balance.
The conversation takes a turn toward the giants – not of folklore, but of the pharmaceutical industry – whose intricate dance with the WHO and nations rich in biological resources spotlights the tension between profit and equity. Roguski and I dissect the debate surrounding pathogens as national treasures versus communal assets, while also probing the looming presence of organized crime within global health infrastructure. We assess the treaty's true motives, pondering if the specter of pandemic is a smokescreen for control, or if there's an earnest drive to safeguard global well-being.
Finally, we wade into the depths of the global governance debate, evaluating the possibility of a world united under a singular flag and the moral implications that Pastor John MacArthur suggests such a unification could entail for the family unit and faith. We grapple with the significance of CBDCs and the importance of distinguishing well-intended global efforts from potential tyrannical overreach. Armed with insight and a call to remain vigilant, we urge our listeners to join the conversation, armed with facts and a critical eye, as we confront the narratives shaping our world.
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Intro (00:01):
Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth about theUnited States health care system
With your host of the MedicalTruth podcast, james Agedio.
James Egidio (00:17):
Hi, I'm James Agedio with the Medical Truth
podcast.
I'm your host.
This last episode, I brought ona regular that I always bring
on, james Rigauske, whodiscusses the issues with the
World Health Organization.
In the last episode, we talkedabout exiting the who and this
episode was as a continuation ofthat, but we're going to expand
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on some topics that we haven'tdiscussed in the past.
Without further ado, let meintroduce my guest, james
Rigauske.
James, how are you doing today?
James Roguski (00:48):
Hey, james, long time, no see.
It was just a couple of daysago, and so part of the reason
why we're back again is, as wespeak, this week and next week
the last two weeks of March theintergovernmental negotiating
body is meeting in Geneva tohave what is scheduled to be
their last meeting, or so theysay.
(01:09):
Boy, I really doubt it's goingto be their last meeting,
because the negotiations areactually quite contentious and I
think they're very far awayfrom reaching an agreement.
But they did have a earlymorning session on Monday, the
18th, where that was made public, and so all of the many nations
voiced their opinions and youcould just see the divide,
(01:33):
because what's really going onwith these negotiations is
probably not what most peoplethink it is, and hopefully we'll
get a chance to talk about thattoday.
James Egidio (01:41):
Sure, absolutely so.
I know the last time we spokeyou had asked me if I had posted
, because some of these episodescan run into a couple of hours
if you let them, and I'm sure alot of people don't want to sit
there and listen to us two oldguys panter back and forth for a
couple of hours.
So it's better that we broke itup like we did today, with part
(02:02):
one on Friday, which was the15th of March, and today's the
19th of March 2024.
So today let's just get intowhat you had requested In the
last episode, what we wouldcover today.
Go ahead, james.
James Roguski (02:19):
Sure, in the last episode, mostly what we talked
about was the proposedamendments to the international
health regulations, and what hasbeen happening over the last
year and a half is theinformation that was originally
presented for that set ofnegotiations has gotten
commingled in everyone's mindwith what's going on with the
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other set of negotiations, whichare headed towards a brand new
agreement.
Most people call it thepandemic treaty.
It's had many names andarguably simply because it's
what they said they wanted wayback in May of 2021.
It's structured as a frameworkconvention, which means that
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they can agree to a framework,but then, year after year, this
becomes a zombie bureaucracywhere it meets on an ongoing
basis forever and unelected on.
Accountable bureaucrats wouldthen go pretty much have a party
once a year, go to Geneva anddecide the fate of what would be
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done with tens of billions ofdollars to be put towards
pandemic prevention,preparedness and response.
And the simplest example goesall the way back to 1992, where
all of the nations, through theUnited Nations, signed on.
The United States Senate gavetwo thirds consent and we are a
party to the frameworkconvention for climate change.
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If you think that's working outgreat for you, please realize
that what happens with that ison a yearly basis, the
conference of the parties getstogether and they make decisions
that we've pre agreed to and so, whatever it is, they decide
that filtering into your lifethrough whether it's national
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legislation, state legislation,local, county, city everyone is
abiding by this framework thatkeeps having things added onto
it.
One thing I was talking aboutlast fall when I was talking
about this, was if you hadsomeone who offered to bring a
Christmas tree into your homeand set it all up and decorate
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it for you sounds like a goodidea, until they start bringing
in some really weird decorationsand you said, hey, you agreed
to let me do that.
Do you really want to have yournation agree to an open ended
framework where they get to makeall the rules year after year
and we don't really have anycontrol over what they decide?
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This is just an absoluteabomination.
Now they had a meeting yesterdayand essentially, there is great
division amongst the variousnations, and not for the reasons
people might think.
This is essentially, in my view, a trade dispute, and it all
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started back in December of 2021and the relatively poor nations
looked at what was going on andthey said wait a minute, we're
not getting enough jabs.
All of the wealthy nationsbought 10 jabs per person and
they called upon the WHO to havea second session of the World
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Health Assembly, which met atthe end of November beginning of
December 2021.
And the declaration that cameout of that was they wanted to
have the WHO overseenegotiations for a new agreement
to ensure equitable access topandemic related products.
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The problem is they are notgetting into.
Wait a minute.
If you have jabs that don'tstop infection, don't stop
transmission, cause immunedysfunction, disease, disability
and death, and you have teststhat tell people that they have
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an asymptomatic case of somedisease, what is it that you're
actually seeking?
If those are the types ofpandemic related products that
you're upset about not receiving, you actually should be down on
your knees counting yourblessings that you didn't get
tricked into believing somethingthat was false.
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But what's really going on, Ithink, is best exemplified by
what happened with Omicron andwhen South Africa and Botswana
identified what they said was anew variant very different from
what everybody was talking aboutbefore.
It came out of nowhere.
Who knows where it came from.
In their computers they had agenetic sequence that they said
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was a new variant that they weredealing with.
When they made that public,they did what they thought they
were obligated to do, which wasto be transparent and share that
information with the world.
The international healthregulations were supposed to
protect them from other nationsimposing travel restrictions,
but it didn't work, becauseEurope and a bunch of other
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nations stopped travel to SouthAfrica and then, to add insult
to injury, pfizer and Modernatook that genetic information
and ultimately added it into theboosters and made a couple of
more billion dollars.
So what these negotiations areabout is that the nations were
upset that they handed over thisincredibly valuable information
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.
They got punished by othernations for being transparent
with travel restrictions, andthen a whole bunch of money was
made by corporations thatpirated that information and
didn't share it.
So what is going on with thesenegotiations and I can see
scrolling on the bottom?
You can go to stopthetreatyorgand read the actual document,
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and this is what I encourageeveryone to do, because many
people have talked about theseissues and on March 13th of 2024
, the latest version of thedocument, the quote unquote
treaty, was published by the WHO.
They're currently negotiatingit.
(08:32):
Realize that the sands areshifting and little things will
probably change if they canreach agreement.
But at the moment I stronglyencourage everyone to go to
stopthetreatyorg and listen tothe video recitation that I did
of some of the most pertinentaspects of this agreement,
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because what most people thinkis in this agreement is totally
different than what it actuallysays.
Whatever it is you think aboutthe treaty the pandemic treaty
it's really not what most peoplehave been saying.
It's talking about setting up asystem where billions of
dollars go into looking forpathogens with pandemic
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potential.
Now, whenever I see that phrase, I turn it around and and I say
they're looking for pathogenswith pandemic profiteering
potential.
Then they want to bring it intothe WHO laboratory network so
they can study it, possibly dogain a function.
They used to have language inthe document about that, but
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they took it out because theyknow that's very contentious.
Then they want to have whatthey call a standard material
transfer agreement.
Essentially, they want acontract with the pharmaceutical
companies and the WHO saying wefound this really scary genetic
sequence for virus or someother pathogen and if you want
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it, you're going to have topromise to share the benefits
with us.
That is what they are arguingabout now.
It's not good versus evil, it's, you know, big pharma versus
nations who are claimingrightfully, I believe that these
biological resources are partof their sovereign resources.
(10:23):
It used to be that nationswould have their raw materials
plundered, whether that wasforestry products or gold and
silver or diamond mines or anyother kind of natural resource.
They are categorizing pathogeninformation as a sovereign
resource.
(10:44):
It literally says that in thelatest, in the latest couple of
versions of the proposedagreement, and they don't want
to be forced to give that up forfree.
They want a piece of the pieand they want investment, not
only for that information, thatintellectual property or that
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sovereign resource.
They want the corporations whoare then going to turn that into
value added products like drugsand jabs to share their
intellectual property, sharetheir manufacturing know-how,
share the investment capital toturn around and build
geographically distributedmanufacturing.
They want to be able to build,and they're already actively
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building these manufacturingplants in Rwanda and South
Africa.
They have a mRNA hub wherethey're trying to spread this
all throughout Africa.
They want to be able to buildand manufacture, build
manufacturing plants andmanufacture their own MRNA jabs,
because it's inordinatelyprofitable.
And so what we're seeing hereare not negotiations to take
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away your national sovereigntyor to tell you what you can or
cannot do with your doctor orany of that sort of thing.
What we're dealing with here is,I think, organized crime.
I've dubbed it the new OPEC.
Opec stands for the OilProducing and Exporting
Countries, saudi Arabia and soforth.
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The new OPEC is theOrganization of Pandemic
Emergency Corporations.
They want the WHO to be incharge of a global distribution
and logistics network.
They've already gotdistribution points in Dubai
that they talk very proudlyabout, that.
They've got 20,000 squaremeters of distribution
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facilities in Dubai.
That's four football fields.
So what they're looking at issetting up, I think, really a
cartel, a mafia, racketeeringorganization to just buy up the
production of all of thesevarious companies.
And the thing on the bottom,you have their exactly correct.
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They want to cause the problemor, at the very least, find
something that they say is aproblem Some pathogen that has
pandemic profiteering potential,have money come from wealthy
nations to go into a pool thatthey control and then be able to
declare that there's anemergency and they have the
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solution.
The reaction is fear, right,saying to somebody we have this
new scary pathogen and now wehave the solution.
Over and over again, because itwas a very profitable venture
over the past four years.
James Egidio (13:38):
But I know there seems to be so many layers to
this, though, and what do youthink is the end goal to all
this?
I can't just be with the WorldHealth Organization.
It's got to be with totalcontrol, don't you think?
James Roguski (13:52):
If you can keep people in a state of fear and
offer them the solution over andover again, people make very
bad decisions, whether it wasthe Patriot Act and the war on
terror and the terror alert.
What's red or orange or yellow,you have to be very afraid.
It's very analogous tosomething that Obama said about
(14:16):
Ebola, but also Bush said andmany people said about quote
unquote terrorism the idea that,oh, it's better to fight it
over there, because if you don'tfight it over there, then
you're going to have to dealwith it at home.
Obama very clearly said thatabout Ebola in West Africa.
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I believe it was in 2014.
And so the idea that they'retrying to put out is that if
wealthy nations want to protectthemselves from the next
pandemic, it's likely to comewhere there are poorer nations,
where the people live moreclosely in contact with both
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domesticated animals and wildanimals.
And they're trying to put forththe quite frankly lie that, oh,
this zoonotic transfer from someanimal is going to jump species
to a human being.
That if wealthy people want toprotect themselves from the next
pandemic, they have to givemoney to build out the
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pharmaceutical hospitalemergency industrial complex in
poorer nations in order to stopit at the source, quarantine
them, treat them, surveil them,and if you give us your money,
we'll go invest it there toprotect you from the problem
that is likely to start in thelower income nations.
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The lower income nationscertainly need many things, but
it's quite arguable, if notinsane, to believe that the
first, most important thing thatthey need is to have wealthy
oligarchs setting uplaboratories looking for
pathogens, doing geneticsequencing, and then bringing
them into biologicallaboratories so that they can
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sign contracts to get a piece ofthe pie from the pharmaceutical
drugs and jams that they wouldthen inflict upon their own
people Anything.
That's just how you profit fromfear of ingrain.
James Egidio (16:19):
Yeah, I know the last episode you had mentioned
that, and this is where I'lldisagree with you, james.
I agree on a lot of things thatyou talk about with the World
Health Organization, but there'sone thing that you said in the
last episode a few days ago wasthat you don't believe that this
is a good versus evil thing.
And I have to disagree withthat, and I'll tell you why.
(16:39):
Because when you look at it inthe grand scheme of things, it
comes down to especially withthe World Health Organization,
the World Economic Forum itcomes down to control, right.
It comes down to how are wegoing to control the masses of
people, right, with this oneworld government?
And there's a lot of churches,and this is why they want to
(17:03):
censor a lot of churches and alot of pastors and why they want
to pretty much rip apart familyand faith and especially family
, where they indoctrinate kidswith this transgender agenda and
the hormones and the surgeriesand the confusion, and all that
is because they know that thepower and the strength is in
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family and in faith.
And there's one particularpastor out of California, where
you're at, by the name of JohnMacArthur.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Now I'm going to play a three-minute video right now
and what he says and what hebelieves is the whole agenda
we're all aware of the fact thatpeople have been talking about
global unity, one worldgovernment, for a long time, and
there are many conspiracytheories about people secretly
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moving everything in thatdirection.
But there are also realitieswhich are anything but secret
and are not theories, but arecertainly actions being taken by
globalists to move the worldtoward one world government.
This is escalating among theelitist, power hungry people who
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control the levers of cultureand society.
They want one world government.
And why do they want that?
They give several reasons.
One is what they call equity,so that they can redistribute
all the assets and all thewealth and all the possessions
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equally across the planet toeveryone.
Another one is because ofcurrency.
They have a desire for asingular currency, global
currency, and they would likethat to be cryptocurrency,
electronic currency, so they cancontrol all finances and all
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spending by everyone.
And then another one of theirmotivating desires is
environment.
They want equal commitment uponevery nation of the world, all
people of the world, to theenvironmental plan.
Right now, many nations aresupposedly doing what they can
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to achieve environmental goals,while many other nations pay no
attention.
Another one of their goals istaxation.
They want global taxation sothat no one.
No corporation can escape tosome location where the taxation
is lower.
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Another reason for their desirefor a global, one-world
government is immigration.
They want to eliminateimmigration altogether.
They want to eliminate it bysimply saying anybody can go
anywhere.
They want to go anytime anyway.
Free movement of everyone.
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Another one of their goals inhaving one-world government is
what they call crisis response,which was illustrated during the
lockdown and the pandemic withCOVID.
They want to make sure thewhole world responds the way the
World Health Organizationthinks they should respond.
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They want control over theresponses to any kind of disease
, any kind of pandemic, and theywant uniformity.
And then, of course, a big onewar, because nations fight each
other, and this seems to go onall the time.
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They want to eliminate nationsso that there are no national
wars.
And the goal of all of this ifthey can create equity, common
currency, control of theenvironment, universal taxation,
Eliminate borders so there's noillegal immigration, Control
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all crises and end all wars,We'll bring about world peace.
I don't know if you know this,but they already have a flag.
It's called the One World Flag.
It's the flag of humanity andthe unity of the nations.
Part of it is green for theearth, humanity, human progress
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and unity, agriculture and life.
Part of it is blue for theUnited Nations hope, water,
atmosphere we breathe in sky.
Part of it is black for thedarkness of space, hardship that
humanity will overcome and thelast frontier of human
exploration and settlement ofthe solar system and beyond.
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And it has 13 stars becausethey've divided the globe into
13 regions, One World Government.
They are serious about this.
This is one of the reasons Itold you months ago that they
have a problem with Americabecause of the emphasis here on
nationalism.
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That is a threat to theirefforts to remove national
identity.
James Egidio (22:35):
So this is the flag, too, by the way, that I
was sharing with you earlierbefore we started the recording
and that's for people to seehere.
There's where he talks aboutthe green, the blue, the black
and the 13 stars.
So what's your take on that?
James Roguski (22:51):
You're going to have to allow me to agree with
you, but you're going to have tolet me clarify what it was I
was actually talking about.
Now, this is actually part ofthe problem.
What he's essentially talkingabout is a totally different
line of negotiations, and thisis yet another way in which they
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serve to confuse people, to geteveryone off target.
What I was saying where it'snot good versus evil is what I
meant was that in thesenegotiations with the amendments
and the treaty, the two sidesthat are doing battle and
arguing over the poison pie thatthey all want a piece of,
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there's nobody in there who'ssaying anything that's good,
with the exception of therepresentative from Chad who
spoke up on Monday and heliterally said and people can go
to stoptreatyorg and see thefour minute video.
He said what is it that we'redoing here?
We need to be talking abouthelping people get healthy.
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What everyone here is talkingabout is how to divvy up the
money and all of the resourcesand so forth.
And when I said it's not aquestion of good versus evil,
what I very specifically meantwas, in these negotiations at
the WHO, it's big evilnegotiating with little evil,
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and for the first time thismorning there was a glimmer of
somebody who said the quiet partout loud, and so I encourage
people to go to stoptreatyorgand watch the Chad
representatives speak for fourminutes.
Now what this pastor wastalking about.
I'm going to have to get youconnected to Dr Rima Labo,
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because this is what she'stalking about, and I put this
all together.
Not exactly that, but theUnited States responds to it on
stoptheglobalagendacom.
So now we're shifting gearsaway from the WHO, because what
he's essentially talking about,item by line item, is the pact
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for the future that's coming inSeptember.
Pay attention, everybody,through the United Nations.
And so the very things that hementioned.
They would love to set up agovernment of the world,
essentially in support of theirdeeply failing sustainable
development goals as part oftheir agenda 2030.
James Egidio (25:28):
Let me interject for a moment, though.
Don't you think that the WHO isjust one arm of this whole
global takeover?
We're just using the WHO in thediseases and the vaccines, and
all that to usher in what,ultimately, what I personally
feel is this digital slaverythat they want to entrap
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everybody with.
James Roguski (25:53):
All of those things.
All of those things I agreewith you in terms of.
This is what's going on, buthere's how they are messing with
everybody's head.
Those things are not in theamendments.
What's in the amendments isquarantining people if they're
traveling internationally Planetlockdown.
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What's in the amendments isemergency declarations.
At the drop of the hat, we'vegot an early action alert.
We've got a public healthemergency of international
concern, or a fake, or we've gota pandemic emergency.
That's what's in the amendments.
What's in the treaty is justthis massive shift of money to
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go looking for pathogens toscare people with.
It's a financial transfer frompoor people in wealthy nations
to oligarchs in poor nations sothat they can abuse their own
people and profit from it.
When people say that all of thestuff that is in the pact for
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the future is in what the WHO isdoing, it harms the legitimacy
of what we're trying to pushback against, because if you
read the treaty or you read theamendments, you're not going to
find any of that stuff in whatthe WHO is currently negotiating
.
Happy to get you connected toDr Rima Labo and other people
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who are pushing back against thepact for the future.
That's scheduled for September22nd of 2024.
Very important things.
If we bring those into thesediscussions, it makes everyone
look like they're a conspiracytheorist, because you're not
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going to find that in thesedocuments.
James Egidio (27:46):
But the thing is, it seems like they usher in any
kind of CBDC, central Bankdigital currency where
everything that you own isconsolidated on one blockchain
for you to be able to buy orsell anything, that they pretty
much can control you and haveyou do anything that they want
at that point.
James Roguski (28:05):
I'm very much in agreement with you, but the game
that they're playing, that'smessing with everyone's head, is
that, is not this.
James Egidio (28:16):
Yeah, no, I get you.
James Roguski (28:18):
And so what is happening is people are saying,
oh, something is in these olddocuments, and that's what
they're doing now, and somethingis in these future documents,
and that's what they're doingnow.
When you mush it all togetherand you don't keep it clear,
everybody's head gets fried, andso when you go to speak
intelligently to yourcongressperson or anyone else in
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the world, it sounds wrongbecause it is, and so what I
encourage people to do is you'vegot to compartmentalize it,
because what they're trying todo is throw everything,
including the kitchen sink, atyou, and then people talk about
it.
If you pull up the treaty,you're not going to find
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anything in the treaty that isany of those things.
It's not an attack on nationalsovereignty.
It's not putting the WHO incontrol of your relationship
with your doctor.
It's not central bank digitalcurrency.
It's not climate change.
Those are things that are inthe sustainable development
goals and the pack for thefuture Very important things but
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they are not in this document.
So when people get it allmuddled up, it loses the focus,
and what we have here right nowtheir negotiations are about to
fall apart If we focus on thefact.
Large evil meaning the bigpharmaceutical companies are
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battling with wannabe oligarchsin the pharmaceutical world.
In poorer nations they'refighting amongst themselves for
a piece of the pie.
It's mafia families doingbattle.
And they're having greatdifficulty reaching any kind of
agreement, and the crack in thearmor happened on Monday, where
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the representative from Chadsaid wait a minute, you guys are
all talking about money.
You're talking about lookingfor pathogens and access and
benefit sharing and distributionand logistics.
What about the lives of people?
What is it that you do to makepeople healthy?
And he called them all out onit and what we need to do is
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focus our energies on their weakpoint.
Their weak point is in thesenegotiations right now.
In the amendments.
They're trying to get people topay attention to everything
that's not in these amendmentsso that they can slip through
quarantines and vaccinationsthat the WHO says are approved,
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even though we all must knowthat the tests and the jabs are
miserable failures and totallyfraudulent.
That's what they're trying tosneak through in the amendments.
What they're putting through inthe quote unquote treaty is
just an enormous money transferso that they can try to scare
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people that they missed over thepast four years because the low
income nations were havingdifficulty buying the jabs and
injecting them into their ownpeople.
All of the other things thatyou mentioned are coming, but we
have to focus on what they'redoing now and not get confused
with the many things that are inthe pack for the future.
James Egidio (31:39):
Yeah, but what do you say to someone who wants to
refuse to take the A vaccinethat they want to push on you
for religious purposes?
You're trampling on people'srights.
James Roguski (31:48):
There was a case in the UK where someone won the
case because they stated thattheir belief system incorporated
the use of homeopathy, and sowhat people are getting confused
with these WHO negotiations isthe infringement of your
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personal rights and freedomsdoes not require any amendments
to the IHR and it does notrequire a new pandemic treaty.
Over the last four years, yourlocal tyrant didn't need either
of those things to pretend thatthey had authority over you.
If you understand in the UnitedStates, please, that if you
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have a firmly held religiousbelief, that is all you need to
protect yourself legally fromany government official who
tries to tell you that you haveto do something to your body.
You don't have to get into mRNAand jabs and health and all
that sort of stuff If it'sagainst your beliefs to
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participate in that activity.
That is undeniable.
That is your first amendment,right, and unfortunately people
just did not understand how tobest stand up against local
tyrants.
This is not the case thatTedros and the WHO is gonna send
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stormtroopers into your home toforce inject you.
What's likely to happen is thesame thing that we allowed to
happen over the last four years.
Some local official gets farbeyond their authority, pretends
that, oh, because somebody inGeneva or New York or DC said,
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oh, it's an emergency, that doesnot give them the authority to
trample on your unalienablerights.
That's what unalienable meansemergency be damned.
You have the right, but youhave to protect it.
And so there's local issuesthat we had to deal with over
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the last four years.
What's going on in Geneva withthe United I'm sorry, not the
United Nations, but the WHO is.
They're trying to work outquarantine and vaccine
requirements for internationaltravel.
That's in the amendments.
They're trying to do a hugemoney transfer to build out big
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pharma in low income countries,because they missed a lot of
those people over the past fouryears.
What's going on with the UnitedNations?
And in September, the pact forthe future is all tied in with
the sustainable developmentgoals and all of the things that
pastor mentioned are exactlywhat we need to focus on.
But that's not happening herewith the WHO.
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That's happening there.
James Egidio (34:50):
So when is this going back to the bargaining
table, this whole quarantine,and at the drop of a hat they
could say as a traveler, youhave to take a vaccine, or
whatever they want to do.
When is this all supposed totake place?
James Roguski (35:05):
The specific issue that you just mentioned.
The amendments are scheduledfor their final meeting April
22nd to the 26th.
They've got one week ofmeetings and the issue with all
of the looking for pathogens inthe laboratory network and the
pathogen access benefits,sharing contractual obligations
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to turn it into a profitablebusiness and a distribution and
logistics network.
Those are ongoing right now andthe last date is scheduled to
be March 28th.
They look like they're havinggreat difficulty.
There is a possibility thatthey might schedule an
additional meeting if they don'tcome to some sort of an
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agreement, but their finalmeeting to discuss all of this
is May 27th to June 1st.
So we've got two months toflatten their plans, two months
to flatten the who and whatpeople need to do.
In my opinion, number one is getclear on the facts and all I
have been doing for the last twoyears is compartmentalize.
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What they're doing in theamendments is quarantine and
travel restrictions and vaccinerequirements not that they
should be called vaccines.
What's in the quote unquotetreaty is setting up a framework
convention to create anorganized crime syndicate that's
gonna be looking for pathogensto scare you with so that they
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can profit from it, and thatwould then cascade downward when
they say, oh, be afraid, andyour local official becomes
afraid and thinks that they havethe authority to abuse you.
That's a local issue.
It always was, it always willbe.
What they're doing with theframework convention for climate
change is part of thesustainable development goals
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and all of the other things thatPastor mentioned, and a few
more, is what they're planningfor.
The pact for the future comingin September Part mentalized and
we'll have a much better time.
James Egidio (37:07):
No, I'm glad you clarified that, james, because
that's the reason why I bringyou on.
I feel like you're the expertin this whole thing and, plus,
for me, that's why I interviewexperts like you, because for me
, I'll just start babbling andthrowing up everything up on the
wall and I'm very insightfuland I do a lot of research on
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everything that I do.
But I think you're right.
I think we're all handling itthe way it was presented to us
back into 2020, when COVID wasannounced.
It's like nobody knew how tohandle it and everybody freaked
out and there was lockdowns andnobody took five steps back and
took a deep breath and said,okay, what's really going on
here, and let things unfold.
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And that's why we're wherewe're at today, and I think they
take advantage of that too.
James Roguski (37:55):
Offer an opinion.
Okay.
Everything that I've beensaying before is easily
documented.
Sure, arguably okay, but Ithink it's pretty strong
argument.
Their weak point is much of whatthey're doing is centered on
trying to collect carbon taxesbecause of their concept of
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global warming.
Slash, climate change slash,whatever they want to rename it.
Next, they wanna try to controlpeople's lives under the false
scenario that, because there'stoo many people on the planet
and we're all trying to staywarm in the winter and cool in
the summer using whatever kindof fuel we may use, that they
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should be in charge ofeverything having to do with
energy.
When people wake up to thatscam and the fact that they're
trying to control the worldbased on a false narrative,
their whole plan falls apart,because that's what they're
hoping to trick everybody with,and for many people, it has been
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working.
There are people, youngergeneration, who are petrified
that the world is gonna explodeand overheat and we're all gonna
die because of global warming,and they're in an ongoing panic
about climate change.
The issues are obviouslycomplicated and people are
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easily led down the primrosepath, but then you look at wait
a minute.
Fuel prices just doubled whenthe Biden administration came in
the office, right.
Who's collecting all thoseprofits?
Follow the money, right.
Look at what they're doing tosolve the problem.
Nobody's actually solving theproblems, they're just
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profiteering from it.
Same thing with what's going onwith the whl create a problem,
everyone to be afraid, and Ifyou're in position to collect
the money that is offering somesolution to the problem, then
you can see what is actuallygoing on.
Could we bow know who benefits?
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It's almost always traceable.
It's a deeper evil.
The evil is deeper than greed,but you can find it if you
follow the money right so whatthey want with the who is 30
billion dollars a year and ahundred dollars surge funding,
and, and they've already set upthe pandemic fund that the
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United States is utilizing.
So Keep it simple in a certainsense.
Go to stop the who calm and youcan learn about the pandemic
treaty and the amendments.
You can go to reject theamendments calm for just the
amendments.
You can go to stop the treatyorg for just the treaty, and and
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.
There are many other thingsthat are going on.
Just realize that they're notall Involved in what's going on
with the who.
Keep them separate.
Focus on whatever aspect of itis important to you and hit the
right target with the rightinformation, because they know
that if they just continuallytry to overwhelm us, it's hard
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to focus, and so what I'vemanaged to do over the last two
years is stay laser focused.
Keep it clear, yeah, and, andpush back in the right way
against the thing that you'reobjecting to, and what I
encourage everyone to do is takeany of the documents that are
involved.
Take a video of a Paragraph ora sentence that you find
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objectionable, so that no onecan say you're spreading
misinformation, and give yourOpinion of it.
Put out a little tick-tockvideo, telegram, wherever you
might want to put it, instagram,stay, whatever it is you want
to say about what's going on,and you will be another Drop
that is in this flood that theycan't hold the damn back, the
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flood of truth that is comingout.
They're trying desperately tostop it.
Sure, if you just keep speakingyour truth, it's overwhelming to
them and on Monday I saw alittle crack in their armor.
The representative from Chadspoke some of the quiet part out
loud.
That's the name of the articlespeaking the quiet part out loud
(42:21):
.
Just go to James for gusky dotsub sec calm and see what he had
to say and see if it mostlydoesn't resonate with what you
believe.
They're talking about makingmoney and distributing products
and resources.
They've totally forgotten aboutwhy are they there?
It's about people being ill.
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How do you take care ofsomebody?
It's not by signing contractsto move products around and make
money.
It becomes so brutally obvious.
They are not going to be ableto hold back the truth if we
just simply keep speaking it.
James Egidio (42:57):
Yeah, I think with the mere fact of the truth
that's coming out about thevaccine or the bio weapon,
there's as mentioned this in thelast episode as well is there's
a lot less takers to this thanthere were at the beginning.
So what do they do with thesesupplies of this so-called
vaccine, when no one's taken it.
James Roguski (43:17):
Maybe we should encourage the list of people
that you had on that graphic totake a few more, since they're
so wonderful.
James Egidio (43:23):
And then here's another interesting development
that took place about a week ago.
I actually shared this with drSansone, which was the whole
thing, with Donald Trump Pushingthe vaccine, or at least
endorsing it.
What was your take on that?
James Roguski (43:39):
It's astonishing that he is unable to see the
light.
When you're at your own rally,in your own people boo,
something that you say Timeafter time you would think
somebody would be an advisorwho's got the guts to say hey
might want to wake up and changeyour tune.
It's astonishing.
It's astonishing.
Can't, can't explain insanity,but you can just point it out
(44:02):
and what it really comes down tois we, the people, have to look
in the mirror and Identify whatit is that we believe and then
go out and publicly speak ourtruth.
If you learn something new thatyou had wrong in the past,
that's fine.
Change, learn from it.
(44:22):
And that's something that heapparently is unwilling or
unable to do.
In regards to the jab, but eachindividual person has the power
to be the media.
You've got a phone or a cameraor you know somebody who does
just say what it is you believe.
Base it in fact, put it outinto the universe, and I trust
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that they will not be able tokeep up with this swarm of bees.
Everyone around the worldspeaking truth to power.
Their lies will crumble, butnot if we're silent.
We have to speak up.
James Egidio (44:56):
Yeah, and I think this is a huge undertaking, even
for the so-called globalist aswell, because you've got so many
different arms, you've got theWorld Health Organization and
you have all these peopleinvolved with the world economic
form, that there's just so manyloose ends that they can't even
tie together to control people,and I think you mentioned it in
(45:16):
several episodes where there'spushback from other countries
with this global pandemic, theseamendments and whatnot, with
the World Health Organization,so it's almost impossible for
them to globalize and have Oneworld government.
What's your take on that?
James Roguski (45:36):
If, if it seems like we're playing whack-a-mole
with the different things thatthey're trying to do, imagine,
from their point of view, tryingto keep eight billion people
down.
Okay, the more people who standup and speak out, the harder it
is for them.
They cannot stop us all, but ifwe stop ourselves, it makes
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their job easier.
So don't be silent.
Get the facts, read thedocuments, read the information.
I've tried to make it simple.
Share that with the next person, as People become more clear
and aware of what's going on.
Everyone I've ever talked toabout this looks at the
information and their gutresponse is are they crazy?
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Yeah, hell, no, we're not goingfor that.
It's only the lack of awarenessthat is problematic.
Your silence is consent.
Share this video, share it withthe next person, go through the
various websites and all theinformation, and if anybody has
any question, just give me aphone call 310 619 3055.
(46:42):
I don't know everything, that'sfor sure.
Nobody really does, and I dohave a good grasp on what's
going on with the WHO.
And if you have any questions,just give me a call the best
grasp.
James Egidio (46:55):
That's why I always have you on the show.
I'm gonna actually dedicate asegment to you on my new show.
All right, who are you?
With James Ruggusky, and yougive us the updates at least
once a week.
Thanks, again.
James for joining me for thisepisode of the medical truth
podcast.
Thanks, Thanks for having me,you got it All right.
Intro (47:14):
Thanks for listening to the medical truth podcast.
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Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth about theUnited States health care system
With your host of the MedicalTruth podcast, james Agedio.
James Egidio (00:17):
Hi, I'm James Agedio with the Medical Truth
podcast.
I'm your host.
This last episode, I brought ona regular that I always bring
on, james Rigauske, whodiscusses the issues with the
World Health Organization.
In the last episode, we talkedabout exiting the who and this
episode was as a continuation ofthat, but we're going to expand
(00:38):
on some topics that we haven'tdiscussed in the past.
Without further ado, let meintroduce my guest, james
Rigauske.
James, how are you doing today?
James Roguski (00:48):
Hey, james, long time, no see.
It was just a couple of daysago, and so part of the reason
why we're back again is, as wespeak, this week and next week
the last two weeks of March theintergovernmental negotiating
body is meeting in Geneva tohave what is scheduled to be
their last meeting, or so theysay.
(01:09):
Boy, I really doubt it's goingto be their last meeting,
because the negotiations areactually quite contentious and I
think they're very far awayfrom reaching an agreement.
But they did have a earlymorning session on Monday, the
18th, where that was made public, and so all of the many nations
voiced their opinions and youcould just see the divide,
(01:33):
because what's really going onwith these negotiations is
probably not what most peoplethink it is, and hopefully we'll
get a chance to talk about thattoday.
James Egidio (01:41):
Sure, absolutely so.
I know the last time we spokeyou had asked me if I had posted
, because some of these episodescan run into a couple of hours
if you let them, and I'm sure alot of people don't want to sit
there and listen to us two oldguys panter back and forth for a
couple of hours.
So it's better that we broke itup like we did today, with part
(02:02):
one on Friday, which was the15th of March, and today's the
19th of March 2024.
So today let's just get intowhat you had requested In the
last episode, what we wouldcover today.
Go ahead, james.
James Roguski (02:19):
Sure, in the last episode, mostly what we talked
about was the proposedamendments to the international
health regulations, and what hasbeen happening over the last
year and a half is theinformation that was originally
presented for that set ofnegotiations has gotten
commingled in everyone's mindwith what's going on with the
(02:41):
other set of negotiations, whichare headed towards a brand new
agreement.
Most people call it thepandemic treaty.
It's had many names andarguably simply because it's
what they said they wanted wayback in May of 2021.
It's structured as a frameworkconvention, which means that
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they can agree to a framework,but then, year after year, this
becomes a zombie bureaucracywhere it meets on an ongoing
basis forever and unelected on.
Accountable bureaucrats wouldthen go pretty much have a party
once a year, go to Geneva anddecide the fate of what would be
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done with tens of billions ofdollars to be put towards
pandemic prevention,preparedness and response.
And the simplest example goesall the way back to 1992, where
all of the nations, through theUnited Nations, signed on.
The United States Senate gavetwo thirds consent and we are a
party to the frameworkconvention for climate change.
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If you think that's working outgreat for you, please realize
that what happens with that ison a yearly basis, the
conference of the parties getstogether and they make decisions
that we've pre agreed to and so, whatever it is, they decide
that filtering into your lifethrough whether it's national
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legislation, state legislation,local, county, city everyone is
abiding by this framework thatkeeps having things added onto
it.
One thing I was talking aboutlast fall when I was talking
about this, was if you hadsomeone who offered to bring a
Christmas tree into your homeand set it all up and decorate
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it for you sounds like a goodidea, until they start bringing
in some really weird decorationsand you said, hey, you agreed
to let me do that.
Do you really want to have yournation agree to an open ended
framework where they get to makeall the rules year after year
and we don't really have anycontrol over what they decide?
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This is just an absoluteabomination.
Now they had a meeting yesterdayand essentially, there is great
division amongst the variousnations, and not for the reasons
people might think.
This is essentially, in my view, a trade dispute, and it all
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started back in December of 2021and the relatively poor nations
looked at what was going on andthey said wait a minute, we're
not getting enough jabs.
All of the wealthy nationsbought 10 jabs per person and
they called upon the WHO to havea second session of the World
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Health Assembly, which met atthe end of November beginning of
December 2021.
And the declaration that cameout of that was they wanted to
have the WHO overseenegotiations for a new agreement
to ensure equitable access topandemic related products.
(05:58):
The problem is they are notgetting into.
Wait a minute.
If you have jabs that don'tstop infection, don't stop
transmission, cause immunedysfunction, disease, disability
and death, and you have teststhat tell people that they have
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an asymptomatic case of somedisease, what is it that you're
actually seeking?
If those are the types ofpandemic related products that
you're upset about not receiving, you actually should be down on
your knees counting yourblessings that you didn't get
tricked into believing somethingthat was false.
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But what's really going on, Ithink, is best exemplified by
what happened with Omicron andwhen South Africa and Botswana
identified what they said was anew variant very different from
what everybody was talking aboutbefore.
It came out of nowhere.
Who knows where it came from.
In their computers they had agenetic sequence that they said
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was a new variant that they weredealing with.
When they made that public,they did what they thought they
were obligated to do, which wasto be transparent and share that
information with the world.
The international healthregulations were supposed to
protect them from other nationsimposing travel restrictions,
but it didn't work, becauseEurope and a bunch of other
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nations stopped travel to SouthAfrica and then, to add insult
to injury, pfizer and Modernatook that genetic information
and ultimately added it into theboosters and made a couple of
more billion dollars.
So what these negotiations areabout is that the nations were
upset that they handed over thisincredibly valuable information
(07:49):
.
They got punished by othernations for being transparent
with travel restrictions, andthen a whole bunch of money was
made by corporations thatpirated that information and
didn't share it.
So what is going on with thesenegotiations and I can see
scrolling on the bottom?
You can go to stopthetreatyorgand read the actual document,
(08:11):
and this is what I encourageeveryone to do, because many
people have talked about theseissues and on March 13th of 2024
, the latest version of thedocument, the quote unquote
treaty, was published by the WHO.
They're currently negotiatingit.
(08:32):
Realize that the sands areshifting and little things will
probably change if they canreach agreement.
But at the moment I stronglyencourage everyone to go to
stopthetreatyorg and listen tothe video recitation that I did
of some of the most pertinentaspects of this agreement,
(08:54):
because what most people thinkis in this agreement is totally
different than what it actuallysays.
Whatever it is you think aboutthe treaty the pandemic treaty
it's really not what most peoplehave been saying.
It's talking about setting up asystem where billions of
dollars go into looking forpathogens with pandemic
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potential.
Now, whenever I see that phrase, I turn it around and and I say
they're looking for pathogenswith pandemic profiteering
potential.
Then they want to bring it intothe WHO laboratory network so
they can study it, possibly dogain a function.
They used to have language inthe document about that, but
(09:40):
they took it out because theyknow that's very contentious.
Then they want to have whatthey call a standard material
transfer agreement.
Essentially, they want acontract with the pharmaceutical
companies and the WHO saying wefound this really scary genetic
sequence for virus or someother pathogen and if you want
(10:01):
it, you're going to have topromise to share the benefits
with us.
That is what they are arguingabout now.
It's not good versus evil, it's, you know, big pharma versus
nations who are claimingrightfully, I believe that these
biological resources are partof their sovereign resources.
(10:23):
It used to be that nationswould have their raw materials
plundered, whether that wasforestry products or gold and
silver or diamond mines or anyother kind of natural resource.
They are categorizing pathogeninformation as a sovereign
resource.
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It literally says that in thelatest, in the latest couple of
versions of the proposedagreement, and they don't want
to be forced to give that up forfree.
They want a piece of the pieand they want investment, not
only for that information, thatintellectual property or that
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sovereign resource.
They want the corporations whoare then going to turn that into
value added products like drugsand jabs to share their
intellectual property, sharetheir manufacturing know-how,
share the investment capital toturn around and build
geographically distributedmanufacturing.
They want to be able to build,and they're already actively
(11:29):
building these manufacturingplants in Rwanda and South
Africa.
They have a mRNA hub wherethey're trying to spread this
all throughout Africa.
They want to be able to buildand manufacture, build
manufacturing plants andmanufacture their own MRNA jabs,
because it's inordinatelyprofitable.
And so what we're seeing hereare not negotiations to take
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away your national sovereigntyor to tell you what you can or
cannot do with your doctor orany of that sort of thing.
What we're dealing with here is,I think, organized crime.
I've dubbed it the new OPEC.
Opec stands for the OilProducing and Exporting
Countries, saudi Arabia and soforth.
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The new OPEC is theOrganization of Pandemic
Emergency Corporations.
They want the WHO to be incharge of a global distribution
and logistics network.
They've already gotdistribution points in Dubai
that they talk very proudlyabout, that.
They've got 20,000 squaremeters of distribution
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facilities in Dubai.
That's four football fields.
So what they're looking at issetting up, I think, really a
cartel, a mafia, racketeeringorganization to just buy up the
production of all of thesevarious companies.
And the thing on the bottom,you have their exactly correct.
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They want to cause the problemor, at the very least, find
something that they say is aproblem Some pathogen that has
pandemic profiteering potential,have money come from wealthy
nations to go into a pool thatthey control and then be able to
declare that there's anemergency and they have the
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solution.
The reaction is fear, right,saying to somebody we have this
new scary pathogen and now wehave the solution.
Over and over again, because itwas a very profitable venture
over the past four years.
James Egidio (13:38):
But I know there seems to be so many layers to
this, though, and what do youthink is the end goal to all
this?
I can't just be with the WorldHealth Organization.
It's got to be with totalcontrol, don't you think?
James Roguski (13:52):
If you can keep people in a state of fear and
offer them the solution over andover again, people make very
bad decisions, whether it wasthe Patriot Act and the war on
terror and the terror alert.
What's red or orange or yellow,you have to be very afraid.
It's very analogous tosomething that Obama said about
(14:16):
Ebola, but also Bush said andmany people said about quote
unquote terrorism the idea that,oh, it's better to fight it
over there, because if you don'tfight it over there, then
you're going to have to dealwith it at home.
Obama very clearly said thatabout Ebola in West Africa.
(14:36):
I believe it was in 2014.
And so the idea that they'retrying to put out is that if
wealthy nations want to protectthemselves from the next
pandemic, it's likely to comewhere there are poorer nations,
where the people live moreclosely in contact with both
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domesticated animals and wildanimals.
And they're trying to put forththe quite frankly lie that, oh,
this zoonotic transfer from someanimal is going to jump species
to a human being.
That if wealthy people want toprotect themselves from the next
pandemic, they have to givemoney to build out the
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pharmaceutical hospitalemergency industrial complex in
poorer nations in order to stopit at the source, quarantine
them, treat them, surveil them,and if you give us your money,
we'll go invest it there toprotect you from the problem
that is likely to start in thelower income nations.
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The lower income nationscertainly need many things, but
it's quite arguable, if notinsane, to believe that the
first, most important thing thatthey need is to have wealthy
oligarchs setting uplaboratories looking for
pathogens, doing geneticsequencing, and then bringing
them into biologicallaboratories so that they can
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sign contracts to get a piece ofthe pie from the pharmaceutical
drugs and jams that they wouldthen inflict upon their own
people Anything.
That's just how you profit fromfear of ingrain.
James Egidio (16:19):
Yeah, I know the last episode you had mentioned
that, and this is where I'lldisagree with you, james.
I agree on a lot of things thatyou talk about with the World
Health Organization, but there'sone thing that you said in the
last episode a few days ago wasthat you don't believe that this
is a good versus evil thing.
And I have to disagree withthat, and I'll tell you why.
(16:39):
Because when you look at it inthe grand scheme of things, it
comes down to especially withthe World Health Organization,
the World Economic Forum itcomes down to control, right.
It comes down to how are wegoing to control the masses of
people, right, with this oneworld government?
And there's a lot of churches,and this is why they want to
(17:03):
censor a lot of churches and alot of pastors and why they want
to pretty much rip apart familyand faith and especially family
, where they indoctrinate kidswith this transgender agenda and
the hormones and the surgeriesand the confusion, and all that
is because they know that thepower and the strength is in
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family and in faith.
And there's one particularpastor out of California, where
you're at, by the name of JohnMacArthur.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Now I'm going to play a three-minute video right now
and what he says and what hebelieves is the whole agenda
we're all aware of the fact thatpeople have been talking about
global unity, one worldgovernment, for a long time, and
there are many conspiracytheories about people secretly
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moving everything in thatdirection.
But there are also realitieswhich are anything but secret
and are not theories, but arecertainly actions being taken by
globalists to move the worldtoward one world government.
This is escalating among theelitist, power hungry people who
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control the levers of cultureand society.
They want one world government.
And why do they want that?
They give several reasons.
One is what they call equity,so that they can redistribute
all the assets and all thewealth and all the possessions
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equally across the planet toeveryone.
Another one is because ofcurrency.
They have a desire for asingular currency, global
currency, and they would likethat to be cryptocurrency,
electronic currency, so they cancontrol all finances and all
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spending by everyone.
And then another one of theirmotivating desires is
environment.
They want equal commitment uponevery nation of the world, all
people of the world, to theenvironmental plan.
Right now, many nations aresupposedly doing what they can
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to achieve environmental goals,while many other nations pay no
attention.
Another one of their goals istaxation.
They want global taxation sothat no one.
No corporation can escape tosome location where the taxation
is lower.
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Another reason for their desirefor a global, one-world
government is immigration.
They want to eliminateimmigration altogether.
They want to eliminate it bysimply saying anybody can go
anywhere.
They want to go anytime anyway.
Free movement of everyone.
(20:12):
Another one of their goals inhaving one-world government is
what they call crisis response,which was illustrated during the
lockdown and the pandemic withCOVID.
They want to make sure thewhole world responds the way the
World Health Organizationthinks they should respond.
(20:34):
They want control over theresponses to any kind of disease
, any kind of pandemic, and theywant uniformity.
And then, of course, a big onewar, because nations fight each
other, and this seems to go onall the time.
(20:54):
They want to eliminate nationsso that there are no national
wars.
And the goal of all of this ifthey can create equity, common
currency, control of theenvironment, universal taxation,
Eliminate borders so there's noillegal immigration, Control
(21:17):
all crises and end all wars,We'll bring about world peace.
I don't know if you know this,but they already have a flag.
It's called the One World Flag.
It's the flag of humanity andthe unity of the nations.
Part of it is green for theearth, humanity, human progress
(21:42):
and unity, agriculture and life.
Part of it is blue for theUnited Nations hope, water,
atmosphere we breathe in sky.
Part of it is black for thedarkness of space, hardship that
humanity will overcome and thelast frontier of human
exploration and settlement ofthe solar system and beyond.
(22:07):
And it has 13 stars becausethey've divided the globe into
13 regions, One World Government.
They are serious about this.
This is one of the reasons Itold you months ago that they
have a problem with Americabecause of the emphasis here on
nationalism.
(22:28):
That is a threat to theirefforts to remove national
identity.
James Egidio (22:35):
So this is the flag, too, by the way, that I
was sharing with you earlierbefore we started the recording
and that's for people to seehere.
There's where he talks aboutthe green, the blue, the black
and the 13 stars.
So what's your take on that?
James Roguski (22:51):
You're going to have to allow me to agree with
you, but you're going to have tolet me clarify what it was I
was actually talking about.
Now, this is actually part ofthe problem.
What he's essentially talkingabout is a totally different
line of negotiations, and thisis yet another way in which they
(23:12):
serve to confuse people, to geteveryone off target.
What I was saying where it'snot good versus evil is what I
meant was that in thesenegotiations with the amendments
and the treaty, the two sidesthat are doing battle and
arguing over the poison pie thatthey all want a piece of,
(23:35):
there's nobody in there who'ssaying anything that's good,
with the exception of therepresentative from Chad who
spoke up on Monday and heliterally said and people can go
to stoptreatyorg and see thefour minute video.
He said what is it that we'redoing here?
We need to be talking abouthelping people get healthy.
(23:58):
What everyone here is talkingabout is how to divvy up the
money and all of the resourcesand so forth.
And when I said it's not aquestion of good versus evil,
what I very specifically meantwas, in these negotiations at
the WHO, it's big evilnegotiating with little evil,
(24:19):
and for the first time thismorning there was a glimmer of
somebody who said the quiet partout loud, and so I encourage
people to go to stoptreatyorgand watch the Chad
representatives speak for fourminutes.
Now what this pastor wastalking about.
I'm going to have to get youconnected to Dr Rima Labo,
(24:41):
because this is what she'stalking about, and I put this
all together.
Not exactly that, but theUnited States responds to it on
stoptheglobalagendacom.
So now we're shifting gearsaway from the WHO, because what
he's essentially talking about,item by line item, is the pact
(25:04):
for the future that's coming inSeptember.
Pay attention, everybody,through the United Nations.
And so the very things that hementioned.
They would love to set up agovernment of the world,
essentially in support of theirdeeply failing sustainable
development goals as part oftheir agenda 2030.
James Egidio (25:28):
Let me interject for a moment, though.
Don't you think that the WHO isjust one arm of this whole
global takeover?
We're just using the WHO in thediseases and the vaccines, and
all that to usher in what,ultimately, what I personally
feel is this digital slaverythat they want to entrap
(25:50):
everybody with.
James Roguski (25:53):
All of those things.
All of those things I agreewith you in terms of.
This is what's going on, buthere's how they are messing with
everybody's head.
Those things are not in theamendments.
What's in the amendments isquarantining people if they're
traveling internationally Planetlockdown.
(26:14):
What's in the amendments isemergency declarations.
At the drop of the hat, we'vegot an early action alert.
We've got a public healthemergency of international
concern, or a fake, or we've gota pandemic emergency.
That's what's in the amendments.
What's in the treaty is justthis massive shift of money to
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go looking for pathogens toscare people with.
It's a financial transfer frompoor people in wealthy nations
to oligarchs in poor nations sothat they can abuse their own
people and profit from it.
When people say that all of thestuff that is in the pact for
(26:59):
the future is in what the WHO isdoing, it harms the legitimacy
of what we're trying to pushback against, because if you
read the treaty or you read theamendments, you're not going to
find any of that stuff in whatthe WHO is currently negotiating
.
Happy to get you connected toDr Rima Labo and other people
(27:22):
who are pushing back against thepact for the future.
That's scheduled for September22nd of 2024.
Very important things.
If we bring those into thesediscussions, it makes everyone
look like they're a conspiracytheorist, because you're not
(27:42):
going to find that in thesedocuments.
James Egidio (27:46):
But the thing is, it seems like they usher in any
kind of CBDC, central Bankdigital currency where
everything that you own isconsolidated on one blockchain
for you to be able to buy orsell anything, that they pretty
much can control you and haveyou do anything that they want
at that point.
James Roguski (28:05):
I'm very much in agreement with you, but the game
that they're playing, that'smessing with everyone's head, is
that, is not this.
James Egidio (28:16):
Yeah, no, I get you.
James Roguski (28:18):
And so what is happening is people are saying,
oh, something is in these olddocuments, and that's what
they're doing now, and somethingis in these future documents,
and that's what they're doingnow.
When you mush it all togetherand you don't keep it clear,
everybody's head gets fried, andso when you go to speak
intelligently to yourcongressperson or anyone else in
(28:39):
the world, it sounds wrongbecause it is, and so what I
encourage people to do is you'vegot to compartmentalize it,
because what they're trying todo is throw everything,
including the kitchen sink, atyou, and then people talk about
it.
If you pull up the treaty,you're not going to find
(29:01):
anything in the treaty that isany of those things.
It's not an attack on nationalsovereignty.
It's not putting the WHO incontrol of your relationship
with your doctor.
It's not central bank digitalcurrency.
It's not climate change.
Those are things that are inthe sustainable development
goals and the pack for thefuture Very important things but
(29:26):
they are not in this document.
So when people get it allmuddled up, it loses the focus,
and what we have here right nowtheir negotiations are about to
fall apart If we focus on thefact.
Large evil meaning the bigpharmaceutical companies are
(29:48):
battling with wannabe oligarchsin the pharmaceutical world.
In poorer nations they'refighting amongst themselves for
a piece of the pie.
It's mafia families doingbattle.
And they're having greatdifficulty reaching any kind of
agreement, and the crack in thearmor happened on Monday, where
(30:11):
the representative from Chadsaid wait a minute, you guys are
all talking about money.
You're talking about lookingfor pathogens and access and
benefit sharing and distributionand logistics.
What about the lives of people?
What is it that you do to makepeople healthy?
And he called them all out onit and what we need to do is
(30:34):
focus our energies on their weakpoint.
Their weak point is in thesenegotiations right now.
In the amendments.
They're trying to get people topay attention to everything
that's not in these amendmentsso that they can slip through
quarantines and vaccinationsthat the WHO says are approved,
(30:57):
even though we all must knowthat the tests and the jabs are
miserable failures and totallyfraudulent.
That's what they're trying tosneak through in the amendments.
What they're putting through inthe quote unquote treaty is
just an enormous money transferso that they can try to scare
(31:18):
people that they missed over thepast four years because the low
income nations were havingdifficulty buying the jabs and
injecting them into their ownpeople.
All of the other things thatyou mentioned are coming, but we
have to focus on what they'redoing now and not get confused
with the many things that are inthe pack for the future.
James Egidio (31:39):
Yeah, but what do you say to someone who wants to
refuse to take the A vaccinethat they want to push on you
for religious purposes?
You're trampling on people'srights.
James Roguski (31:48):
There was a case in the UK where someone won the
case because they stated thattheir belief system incorporated
the use of homeopathy, and sowhat people are getting confused
with these WHO negotiations isthe infringement of your
(32:10):
personal rights and freedomsdoes not require any amendments
to the IHR and it does notrequire a new pandemic treaty.
Over the last four years, yourlocal tyrant didn't need either
of those things to pretend thatthey had authority over you.
If you understand in the UnitedStates, please, that if you
(32:34):
have a firmly held religiousbelief, that is all you need to
protect yourself legally fromany government official who
tries to tell you that you haveto do something to your body.
You don't have to get into mRNAand jabs and health and all
that sort of stuff If it'sagainst your beliefs to
(32:58):
participate in that activity.
That is undeniable.
That is your first amendment,right, and unfortunately people
just did not understand how tobest stand up against local
tyrants.
This is not the case thatTedros and the WHO is gonna send
(33:19):
stormtroopers into your home toforce inject you.
What's likely to happen is thesame thing that we allowed to
happen over the last four years.
Some local official gets farbeyond their authority, pretends
that, oh, because somebody inGeneva or New York or DC said,
(33:42):
oh, it's an emergency, that doesnot give them the authority to
trample on your unalienablerights.
That's what unalienable meansemergency be damned.
You have the right, but youhave to protect it.
And so there's local issuesthat we had to deal with over
(34:02):
the last four years.
What's going on in Geneva withthe United I'm sorry, not the
United Nations, but the WHO is.
They're trying to work outquarantine and vaccine
requirements for internationaltravel.
That's in the amendments.
They're trying to do a hugemoney transfer to build out big
(34:24):
pharma in low income countries,because they missed a lot of
those people over the past fouryears.
What's going on with the UnitedNations?
And in September, the pact forthe future is all tied in with
the sustainable developmentgoals and all of the things that
pastor mentioned are exactlywhat we need to focus on.
But that's not happening herewith the WHO.
(34:46):
That's happening there.
James Egidio (34:50):
So when is this going back to the bargaining
table, this whole quarantine,and at the drop of a hat they
could say as a traveler, youhave to take a vaccine, or
whatever they want to do.
When is this all supposed totake place?
James Roguski (35:05):
The specific issue that you just mentioned.
The amendments are scheduledfor their final meeting April
22nd to the 26th.
They've got one week ofmeetings and the issue with all
of the looking for pathogens inthe laboratory network and the
pathogen access benefits,sharing contractual obligations
(35:26):
to turn it into a profitablebusiness and a distribution and
logistics network.
Those are ongoing right now andthe last date is scheduled to
be March 28th.
They look like they're havinggreat difficulty.
There is a possibility thatthey might schedule an
additional meeting if they don'tcome to some sort of an
(35:47):
agreement, but their finalmeeting to discuss all of this
is May 27th to June 1st.
So we've got two months toflatten their plans, two months
to flatten the who and whatpeople need to do.
In my opinion, number one is getclear on the facts and all I
have been doing for the last twoyears is compartmentalize.
(36:10):
What they're doing in theamendments is quarantine and
travel restrictions and vaccinerequirements not that they
should be called vaccines.
What's in the quote unquotetreaty is setting up a framework
convention to create anorganized crime syndicate that's
gonna be looking for pathogensto scare you with so that they
(36:31):
can profit from it, and thatwould then cascade downward when
they say, oh, be afraid, andyour local official becomes
afraid and thinks that they havethe authority to abuse you.
That's a local issue.
It always was, it always willbe.
What they're doing with theframework convention for climate
change is part of thesustainable development goals
(36:56):
and all of the other things thatPastor mentioned, and a few
more, is what they're planningfor.
The pact for the future comingin September Part mentalized and
we'll have a much better time.
James Egidio (37:07):
No, I'm glad you clarified that, james, because
that's the reason why I bringyou on.
I feel like you're the expertin this whole thing and, plus,
for me, that's why I interviewexperts like you, because for me
, I'll just start babbling andthrowing up everything up on the
wall and I'm very insightfuland I do a lot of research on
(37:28):
everything that I do.
But I think you're right.
I think we're all handling itthe way it was presented to us
back into 2020, when COVID wasannounced.
It's like nobody knew how tohandle it and everybody freaked
out and there was lockdowns andnobody took five steps back and
took a deep breath and said,okay, what's really going on
here, and let things unfold.
(37:49):
And that's why we're wherewe're at today, and I think they
take advantage of that too.
James Roguski (37:55):
Offer an opinion.
Okay.
Everything that I've beensaying before is easily
documented.
Sure, arguably okay, but Ithink it's pretty strong
argument.
Their weak point is much of whatthey're doing is centered on
trying to collect carbon taxesbecause of their concept of
(38:15):
global warming.
Slash, climate change slash,whatever they want to rename it.
Next, they wanna try to controlpeople's lives under the false
scenario that, because there'stoo many people on the planet
and we're all trying to staywarm in the winter and cool in
the summer using whatever kindof fuel we may use, that they
(38:38):
should be in charge ofeverything having to do with
energy.
When people wake up to thatscam and the fact that they're
trying to control the worldbased on a false narrative,
their whole plan falls apart,because that's what they're
hoping to trick everybody with,and for many people, it has been
(39:00):
working.
There are people, youngergeneration, who are petrified
that the world is gonna explodeand overheat and we're all gonna
die because of global warming,and they're in an ongoing panic
about climate change.
The issues are obviouslycomplicated and people are
(39:22):
easily led down the primrosepath, but then you look at wait
a minute.
Fuel prices just doubled whenthe Biden administration came in
the office, right.
Who's collecting all thoseprofits?
Follow the money, right.
Look at what they're doing tosolve the problem.
Nobody's actually solving theproblems, they're just
(39:44):
profiteering from it.
Same thing with what's going onwith the whl create a problem,
everyone to be afraid, and Ifyou're in position to collect
the money that is offering somesolution to the problem, then
you can see what is actuallygoing on.
Could we bow know who benefits?
(40:05):
It's almost always traceable.
It's a deeper evil.
The evil is deeper than greed,but you can find it if you
follow the money right so whatthey want with the who is 30
billion dollars a year and ahundred dollars surge funding,
and, and they've already set upthe pandemic fund that the
(40:25):
United States is utilizing.
So Keep it simple in a certainsense.
Go to stop the who calm and youcan learn about the pandemic
treaty and the amendments.
You can go to reject theamendments calm for just the
amendments.
You can go to stop the treatyorg for just the treaty, and and
(40:46):
.
There are many other thingsthat are going on.
Just realize that they're notall Involved in what's going on
with the who.
Keep them separate.
Focus on whatever aspect of itis important to you and hit the
right target with the rightinformation, because they know
that if they just continuallytry to overwhelm us, it's hard
(41:11):
to focus, and so what I'vemanaged to do over the last two
years is stay laser focused.
Keep it clear, yeah, and, andpush back in the right way
against the thing that you'reobjecting to, and what I
encourage everyone to do is takeany of the documents that are
involved.
Take a video of a Paragraph ora sentence that you find
(41:35):
objectionable, so that no onecan say you're spreading
misinformation, and give yourOpinion of it.
Put out a little tick-tockvideo, telegram, wherever you
might want to put it, instagram,stay, whatever it is you want
to say about what's going on,and you will be another Drop
that is in this flood that theycan't hold the damn back, the
(42:01):
flood of truth that is comingout.
They're trying desperately tostop it.
Sure, if you just keep speakingyour truth, it's overwhelming to
them and on Monday I saw alittle crack in their armor.
The representative from Chadspoke some of the quiet part out
loud.
That's the name of the articlespeaking the quiet part out loud
(42:21):
.
Just go to James for gusky dotsub sec calm and see what he had
to say and see if it mostlydoesn't resonate with what you
believe.
They're talking about makingmoney and distributing products
and resources.
They've totally forgotten aboutwhy are they there?
It's about people being ill.
(42:41):
How do you take care ofsomebody?
It's not by signing contractsto move products around and make
money.
It becomes so brutally obvious.
They are not going to be ableto hold back the truth if we
just simply keep speaking it.
James Egidio (42:57):
Yeah, I think with the mere fact of the truth
that's coming out about thevaccine or the bio weapon,
there's as mentioned this in thelast episode as well is there's
a lot less takers to this thanthere were at the beginning.
So what do they do with thesesupplies of this so-called
vaccine, when no one's taken it.
James Roguski (43:17):
Maybe we should encourage the list of people
that you had on that graphic totake a few more, since they're
so wonderful.
James Egidio (43:23):
And then here's another interesting development
that took place about a week ago.
I actually shared this with drSansone, which was the whole
thing, with Donald Trump Pushingthe vaccine, or at least
endorsing it.
What was your take on that?
James Roguski (43:39):
It's astonishing that he is unable to see the
light.
When you're at your own rally,in your own people boo,
something that you say Timeafter time you would think
somebody would be an advisorwho's got the guts to say hey
might want to wake up and changeyour tune.
It's astonishing.
It's astonishing.
Can't, can't explain insanity,but you can just point it out
(44:02):
and what it really comes down tois we, the people, have to look
in the mirror and Identify whatit is that we believe and then
go out and publicly speak ourtruth.
If you learn something new thatyou had wrong in the past,
that's fine.
Change, learn from it.
(44:22):
And that's something that heapparently is unwilling or
unable to do.
In regards to the jab, but eachindividual person has the power
to be the media.
You've got a phone or a cameraor you know somebody who does
just say what it is you believe.
Base it in fact, put it outinto the universe, and I trust
(44:43):
that they will not be able tokeep up with this swarm of bees.
Everyone around the worldspeaking truth to power.
Their lies will crumble, butnot if we're silent.
We have to speak up.
James Egidio (44:56):
Yeah, and I think this is a huge undertaking, even
for the so-called globalist aswell, because you've got so many
different arms, you've got theWorld Health Organization and
you have all these peopleinvolved with the world economic
form, that there's just so manyloose ends that they can't even
tie together to control people,and I think you mentioned it in
(45:16):
several episodes where there'spushback from other countries
with this global pandemic, theseamendments and whatnot, with
the World Health Organization,so it's almost impossible for
them to globalize and have Oneworld government.
What's your take on that?
James Roguski (45:36):
If, if it seems like we're playing whack-a-mole
with the different things thatthey're trying to do, imagine,
from their point of view, tryingto keep eight billion people
down.
Okay, the more people who standup and speak out, the harder it
is for them.
They cannot stop us all, but ifwe stop ourselves, it makes
(45:58):
their job easier.
So don't be silent.
Get the facts, read thedocuments, read the information.
I've tried to make it simple.
Share that with the next person, as People become more clear
and aware of what's going on.
Everyone I've ever talked toabout this looks at the
information and their gutresponse is are they crazy?
(46:21):
Yeah, hell, no, we're not goingfor that.
It's only the lack of awarenessthat is problematic.
Your silence is consent.
Share this video, share it withthe next person, go through the
various websites and all theinformation, and if anybody has
any question, just give me aphone call 310 619 3055.
(46:42):
I don't know everything, that'sfor sure.
Nobody really does, and I dohave a good grasp on what's
going on with the WHO.
And if you have any questions,just give me a call the best
grasp.
James Egidio (46:55):
That's why I always have you on the show.
I'm gonna actually dedicate asegment to you on my new show.
All right, who are you?
With James Ruggusky, and yougive us the updates at least
once a week.
Thanks, again.
James for joining me for thisepisode of the medical truth
podcast.
Thanks, Thanks for having me,you got it All right.
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