The veil has been lifted on Pfizer's clinical trial documents, and the findings are more unsettling than we could have imagined. Join me, James Egidio, and the insightful Dr. Flowers, a retired radiologist with a wealth of cancer research experience, as we navigate the murky waters of vaccine concerns and the health of our youth on the latest Medical Truth Podcast. We're not just talking numbers; we're talking about the future of our teens and young adults, athletes in particular, who face the alarming incidence of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination. The disparity in vaccine formulations between the U.S. and the rest of the world sparks a conversation that will leave you questioning the transparency of health authorities and the integrity of the medical systems they operate within.
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Intro (00:01):
Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth about theUnited States healthcare system
With your host of the MedicalTruth Podcast, James Egidio.
James Egidio (00:19):
Dr Flowers, welcome to the Medical Truth
Podcast.
How are you doing today?
Dr. Chris Flowers (00:23):
I'm doing great Thanks for having me.
James Egidio (00:25):
Absolutely so for the listeners and viewers of the
Medical Truth Podcast.
A little bit about who you areand what you do and what you
discovered.
Dr. Chris Flowers (00:34):
Yes, so I'm a retired radiologist.
I've worked in two differentcontinents, both in Europe, in
the UK and, laterally from thepast 18 years, mainly in the
University of California, bothin San Francisco and in Los
Angeles, and also over inFlorida in Tampa at the Moffat
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Cancer Center.
I've been doing cancer researchfor over 40 years now and I
noticed when the call was putout by Steve Bannon on the forum
that it was encouraging them toget a group of people organized
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under her banner to investigatethe fires of documents.
I thought I can offer myservices.
I'm retired now and don't havequite the same exposure as many
of the doctors of medicalfreedom who've lost their jobs
as a result.
I was able to assess the initiallaunch of documents and
identify the low hanging fruit,and that's how we got started.
(01:39):
We came, we were given, reallywe were presented on a platter
some very key findings which Ithink if I had realized what
they were releasing, theyprobably wouldn't have put those
in the first trance, becausewhat's happened is we've had two
years now of documents beingdropped to us.
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They've been encrypted, many ofthe PDFs have been provided as
JPEGs so that our data teams hadto do optical character
recognition and get them intotext format and then into
spreadsheets so that we couldassess them.
And also the data has beendropped just a little bit here
and a little bit there, so thatwe're only now, after two years,
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getting the full picture formost of the people who are in
the original clinical trial.
So you can see, and now we cansee why.
We can see why the FDA didn'twant these documents released
for 75 years.
It's very clear.
James Egidio (02:40):
Yeah, the thing is that the thing that got my
attention I was on Substack, I'malso on Substack, I contribute
some content on there, and thisparticular article that popped
up is this one that was datedwhat?
Two days ago actually, and itwas a report.
It's called Report 94.
Cancer secretly studied a heartdamage marker troponin 1, in 5
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to 15 year olds following mRNACOVID vaccination in 2021.
So what I want to do is I justwant to walk the listeners and
viewers of the Medical Truthpodcast through this paper,
because I know you methodicallywent through it, step by step
pretty much, and you startedwith something that was really
(03:25):
interesting that I'll read tothe listeners and viewers is.
You said we warned that therewas proof that the Pfizer B, as
in boy N, as in Nancy T, as inTom 1, 6, 2, b2, messenger RNA
COVID vaccine caused heartdamage in teens and young adults
as early as May of 2021.
(03:48):
So I think the most importantthing was the timeline as we go
along with this.
And then you also go on to say,as more information surfaces
from the court, mandated releaseof Pfizer clinical trial
documents by the FDA and, viaFoyed emails, the CDC's cover up
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of evidence of COVID-19,messenger RNA vaccine,
associated myocarditis in minorsbecomes increasingly serious,
and then you go on to talk aboutthat and there's a kind of a
specific timeline as to that.
So let's just walk the viewersand listeners of the Medical
Truth podcast through thattimeline of what you discovered,
(04:32):
and we'll even talk about thisstudy that was done as well and
what it revealed.
The Pfizer 2-3 study yes.
Dr. Chris Flowers (04:43):
So the key here is what is myocarditis?
You've heard about myocarditis,pericarditis, things like that,
as one of the knowledge adverseevents from the Pfizer BNT162
B2.
Now, just to be clear thatBNT162 B2 is the vaccine that
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was given and made available toall members of the population in
the United States.
It is not something that wasgenerally given to the rest of
the world.
The rest of the world gotsomething known as comere nati.
Okay, they got the originalBNT162 B2 originally, but in
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fact they got this new thingcalled comere nati, which is a
sort of it's a differentformulation of what the US
population has been given.
So that's just to put incontext what this BNT162 B2 is.
Because, to be quite clear,this is what we as US citizens
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are being given for so-calledCOVID prevention.
And the other thing to rememberis that this myocarditis turns
up normally just as an infection.
We used to see occasional casesof myocarditis in teens,
usually after a flu-like illness, things like that, and
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sometimes this myocarditis wasso severe that patients ended up
in total cardiac failure andthey had ended up having to have
cardiac transplants.
Not a good thing at all.
And the standard treatment foranyone who has raised markers
nose markers was somethingcalled troponin and this is
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what's looked at in that we'retalking about today.
In the bloodstream the troponinone is a marker of damage to
the lining and the muscle of theheart that's called the
myocardium, and this troponinshows up in the bloodstream.
It can be a very good marker ofeven mild myocarditis.
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What is myocarditis anyway?
This is normally people don'teven notice they've got it, but
they can still have raisedtroponin.
But mostly you get a bit ofshortness of breath, maybe you
get some palpitations until itbecomes really severe and then
you get short of breath tryingto do anything.
So what the standard treatmenthas been is to ban people from
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doing sports until they'vecompletely recovered, because
you can imagine the adrenalinethings pumping around as you're
playing a game on the field andif you're not careful you're
going to have an arrhythmia.
That means the heart rhythm isabnormal and Often that means
that the heart effectivelydoesn't pump anymore and you
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suddenly collapse on the floor,sometimes dead, and of course
that is what we've been seeing.
This is the sudden adult deathsyndrome that's become quite
prominent and very andrelatively common over the years
since we've had this modifiedand vaccine Given to us.
So that's the background to it.
But it's really quiteinteresting that when I was
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looking into this it's somethingI noticed separate from the by
the documents as I was lookingat the severe adverse events.
That was a signal ofmyocarditis and I knew in the
medical reports that there wasmyocarditis being reported in
teens after the second dose ofthe vaccine, in particular,
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usually more in males thanfemales, and this was in the
region sort of 16 17 upwards tolow 20s.
James Egidio (08:35):
That will seem to be the common sort of thing and
so I don't hold your thought forone minute, though I want to
back up just for a moment again.
You mentioned at the verybeginning of this conversation
about the comority and thedifference in the formulation of
the comority versus the Pfizervaccine that was used here in
the United States.
What is the difference?
(08:56):
Just as an overview of thatreal quick, then we'll go on.
Dr. Chris Flowers (09:00):
The only difference is number was only
one major difference, and thatis it didn't require an EUA.
It's the only preparationthat's been approved by the FDA
For use, but not in the US.
So that's what the rest of theworld have been using and the
only Substitutability, when youlook at the vaccine, is a
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difference in one of the thingsthat makes up the constituents
of the vaccine not the mRNA, butthe things that support the
mRNA platform, and it's thoughtto be possibly less toxic.
But other than that, they havethe same issues that we can talk
about later, about Process toall the DNA plasma in fragment
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contamination, and some of it isvery high and it's variable
between batches, which may alsoExplain some of the adverse
events that people are gettingwider.
Some have it more than others.
Are you lucky with your batch?
Yeah, actually, the publicprobably told me develop the
website how bad is my batch?
(10:04):
To try and help peopleascertain, oh sir, chances or
check their relatives.
Have you had a batch that isknown Because some of these
serious adverse events?
James Egidio (10:16):
Yeah, I have that.
Actually I posted that how badis your batch?
On the free resources page ofthe medical truth podcast calm,
where you can go in and put yourlot number in.
It'll give you some of theadverse events that occurred
with the particular lot numberthat's associated with Vaccine
that you received.
But go ahead, I'm sorry.
Dr. Chris Flowers (10:34):
As far as getting back to this the study,
then this Pfizer study, I didn'tmean to interrupt, I just
wanted to kind of that's noproblem, because people don't
understand it, certainly in thestates that we're not given
something that's been approved,we're still use being used using
this emergency useauthorization, which really has
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no place in society when there'sno medical emergency.
You know, the fact is they'venot removed this Emergency
status and, as a result, we'restill taking this BNT 162 B2 and
Not being offered the otherother one.
So I think that's reallyimportant to clear up and yeah,
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to one side.
James Egidio (11:17):
Yeah.
Don't you also think, too,though, that because of this
emergency youth useauthorization, it takes the
liability away from thepharmaceutical companies, the
companies that have manufacturedthis stuff?
Dr. Chris Flowers (11:28):
There are many other reasons why the big
farmer have been protected fromany litigation the fact that
this was also a prototype underthe other transaction authority
under the Department of Defense.
It basically prevents the USgovernment from doing itself.
They're ultra protected.
There's the prep act that alsoprotects them.
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Vaccine manufacturers have beenprotected for many years.
They were they.
Basically they held thegovernment to hostage that they
wouldn't produce vaccines unlessthey were given liability
protection and this has gone tothe nth degree now right, and
this is something that reallylegislation has to be done to
get rid of the prep act.
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It has no place these days.
Need to have we need to havethe transparency, we need to
have accountability, which issomething we don't get when it's
all done under this Departmentof Defense.
But Anna and the DARPA.
James Egidio (12:25):
Yeah, so you're talking about this study and
that took place.
This phase 2 3 obtainedobtaining serum for potential
troponin 1 testing, so go ahead.
You were breaking down the agegroups and whatnot on that.
Dr. Chris Flowers (12:41):
Yeah, so they could basically the communist
time.
They are likely to getmyocarditis, which before
co-fabrication, was relativelyrare.
As a cardiology resident, Iworked in the pediatric
cardiology unit in MontfieldChildren's Hospital during my
training I just said cardiologyresident and and we saw one case
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of myocarditis in the period Iwas there, so it was rare.
When people were flown in, thiswas a tertiary hospital, so
people get flown in from longdistances away because they have
trouble dealing with this sortof thing.
So it was, as I say, it wasrare until Vaccines came along
and now it seems to be extremelycommon.
(13:23):
And it was only just, say, twomonths after the introduction of
the vaccine that people beganto notice this uptake in
myocarditis.
In fact, a group in IsraelPointed this out to their health
ministry and they had apublication in preprint and the
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Israeli Ministry of HealthAlerted the CDC that there was a
myocarditis safety signal, andthis was in February 2021.
Now we didn't tend to get.
The vaccine wasn't reallyreadily available in the US
until March it was that's when.
March 2021 is when I had myfirst and second dose of the
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vaccine back, when I Was told itwas all safe and effective and
this was the only way we weregoing to get through COVID and I
needed it for travel.
I thought if I'd known what I'dknown now, I would never have
taken it in the first place.
They knew in February of 2021and the happen was that they
(14:31):
didn't acknowledge this Untilcommonality had its full-scale
authorization we used thelicensing was in October of 2021
, that's six months later and itwas in their little identity
get a little sheet of adverseevents and it's actually in
there.
So they acknowledged it in theinformation sheet that
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accompanies the common RTvaccine, but we didn't know
about it and, of course, drWalensky on the CDC was going on
about now.
There was no problems, we'regoing to keep vaccinating, etc.
Etc.
So it was a big problem.
So this paper is what I'mtalking about today is that the
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foyers that have been obtainedby Attorney Ed Berkovich showed
that the CDC were working withthe White House and the
communications team and the FDAto cover up the fact that there
was myocarditis going on.
It was really serious.
And yet at the same time, theydid this research study for
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COVID-19 in young children andthis was looking at taking
troponics.
These were called activesurveillance.
They didn't do that for themain clinical trial.
They did no active surveillanceat all.
It was an observational study.
But they did this for childrenand you have to ask yourself why
were they testing the poninlevels in these young children
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when you don't normally expect?
That's not the age group thatmyocarditis normally affects.
So they suspected something wasgoing to happen and I suspect
that they were trying to coverfor themselves.
Either they showed that itwasn't there were no raised
troponics, so this is all fakenews or whether they're getting
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ahead of themselves and saying,yes, it occurs, but it's very
mild, it was just evidence.
This was all happening when theywere saying there was no
evidence of myocarditis and theywere also encouraging the
children to get vaccinated atthe same time.
And just as a parent, you thinkwhy are the government
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thrusting this intervention onus when there are known side
effects and they're aware thatthere may well be, because
they're testing for it there andthere.
So that's the paper you can seeon the screen right now is one
of the sheets that they put outto inform parents why they were
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doing these blood draws on thechildren in the study, because
they were looking for damage totheir heart.
James Egidio (17:15):
So they knew this was going on the whole time,
this myocarditis and thesepatients.
But where were thepediatricians at the time that
were administering these andseeing this stuff coming in?
Dr. Chris Flowers (17:27):
It is a big question.
Now, the interesting thing ofall places, this was first
reported in the Children'sHospital in Seattle Washington.
Now, you'd have thought such awoke city in a woke state might
not want to put their foot outthere, but in fact that's where
it came from first, which isvery interesting.
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But that's when people wereperhaps being a little bit more
honest about what they wereseeing and they didn't realize
the consequences of whathappened to most people when you
showed the evidence of what wasactually going on the rest of
the population.
The key is that myocarditis isa big problem.
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It's a problem from youngstersto teenagers, but more deadly
around the teenage years andlate early 20s.
This is, of course, when mostyoung males, especially in high
school, they're in the highschool football team.
They want to go on to collegeand perhaps get into the NFL,
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and if they have any sign ofmyocarditis, raised troponin
levels, then what happens totheir dreams of the NFL?
What about their dreams ofbeing a college football star?
These are all put on hold and infact there are very few people
who make it through because ofthe damage that goes on to the
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heart as a result of thismyocarditis.
In fact, the Dr McCulloch haspointed this out too is the
research studies of theautopsies of people's hearts
who've had myocarditis.
They get these white plaquesinside the heart, the lining of
the heart, which is where theelectrical pathways pass through
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and actually cause thecontraction of the heart.
So to pump properly you need anintact electrical pathway and
you don't want the wiring, ifyou like, disturbed.
And this white stuff, thesefibrous bands, if you like, are
thought to be an autoimmuneeffect on the heart as a result
of the vaccine.
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And also they've done somestaining studies and they've
shown the immunohistochemistrywhich shows the spike protein is
embedded still in the hearts ofthese people who died.
And this is from.
These are from at least sixmonths earlier, when people were
vaccinated who died suddenly.
And we've been told for a longtime that, oh, spike protein
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doesn't hang around.
Spike protein gets eaten upstraight away.
But we do know from ongoingstudies that spike protein
carries on being produced.
We've been in, our cells havebeen induced, our bodies have
been induced to produce thisendless supply of spike protein.
That's how it was supposed towork, right?
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But this spike protein was theworst thing ever that they chose
.
James Egidio (20:26):
Yeah, in that electrical property at your time
.
That's the bundle of his rightbetween the two ventricles,
correct?
Dr. Chris Flowers (20:32):
That's correct, that the there's two
different systems.
There's the atrial vetricularnode that starts the heartbeat
off.
That goes from the top of theheart down across the atrium
down to the AV node, which thentransmits it into the ventricles
.
At the right time cause theheart, the ventricles, to
squeeze out the blood.
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On the right side of the heartit gets squeezed out into the
lungs and the blood getsoxygenated.
On the left side of the heartthe oxygenated blood is pumped
out, goes up to your brain andthen round the aorta to the rest
of the body.
So the ventricular contractionis one of the most important
life events that happen so manytimes every minute in
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everybody's life until they'redead.
So it's very important that wepreserve the lining of the heart
and the electrical bundles thatcause the contraction.
James Egidio (21:26):
I guess the million dollar question is the
contents of this I call it nowbio weapon and the mechanism of
action.
I go in, I get injected in thedeltoid with this messenger RNA
vaccine they call it.
What is in the actual vaccine?
(21:48):
I know we've heard a lot ofthere's a lot of sentiment from
the likes of Karen Kingston, whosays it's formulated with
graphene oxide and, of course,the nano lipoprotein that
surrounds the messenger RNA andyou've got the hydrogel in it.
I know I interviewed Dr MariaMahelcha.
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She talks about the hydrogel alot.
She even talks about, of course, the graphene oxide as well.
So it gets injected in me, in,let's say, your body.
What's the mechanism of action?
What is what's actuallyhappening in the body once it's
injected?
Dr. Chris Flowers (22:25):
Yeah, from my point of view, I stick to the
three main components.
First is the lipid nanoparticlethat encases the modified mRNA
that has been shown to turn upin autopsies in testes and in
the ovaries.
Now that is extremelyconcerning Because of course,
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there's likely to be an effecton fertility Just based on the
fact you've got these hard fattyglobules.
Just you can see them almostmaking the reproductive organs
larger from the stuffing.
It's like it is really likestuffing on Thanksgiving.
It's just a mess inside of yourmain organs that are producing
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stem cells to produce sperm andovaries to bake a human being,
and that is extremely important.
And the other aspect of thelipid nanoparticle is the fact
that it was used to transmitacross membrane, so across the
blood-brain barrier, into thebrain.
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Blood-brain barrier isextremely important to protect
the brain from toxins.
But also it can cross theplacenta and get into babies
when you're pregnant, which iswhy Pfizer were very careful in
their protocols to say thatpregnant women should not
receive this experimentaltreatment.
But also the lipid nanoparticlefuses with cells and injects
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the mRNA into the cell.
That is one of the key problemsBecause injecting the mRNA into
the cell, you get the rest ofthe contents that's in that
vaccine, which are these DNAplasmid fragments.
That's the so-called process 2.
I don't know if you've had theopportunity of having an
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interview with Josh Groits-Gaouzfrom the Hebrew University in
Jerusalem, who was one of ourco-partners working on this
process 2 that we identifiedtogether.
It was actually hidden at theend of the clinical trial.
They had 250 people injectedwith this process 2, which was
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the new manufacturing way thatPfizer were going to scale up
their production of this vaccine, and the way it was done was
using E coli and they're calledplasmids and those plasmids are
like duplicated.
It's almost like a photocopier.
It makes multiple copies of thething and then you have to
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break these up with protease toget out the bit that you
actually need.
But the problem with these DNAplasmids is that they contain
all sorts of foreign proteins,motor genes, things like that.
So one of the things that'sused to make the lipid
nanoparticles and the mRNA stickaround is something called SV40
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, the simian virus 40.
That is used to prolong theextent of the hanging around the
modified mRNA, if you like andthat is known to cause cancer,
and so we're worried about that,and there are fragments of that
SV40 promoter gene found in thesequencing studies that have
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been done by multiplebiochemists in the US and in
Europe, and people are findingit all the time.
Not only that, there are allsorts of other things that are
there.
There was one very early paper,back in 2021, when they were
looking at the spike protein,that they found one of the E
coli endotoxins embedded in thespike protein, which is
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dangerous.
But then you've got the spikeprotein, which is what's made by
this modified mRNA which getsinto your cells, makes your
cells produce the spike protein,which was then thought to
produce the antibody which wewere supposed to use.
It's a very unusual journeythat they went on.
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Why did they do this?
There's so many questions there, there's so many theories, but
basically it's a manufacturedvirus, or at least a
manufactured spike protein,because it had the furan
cleavage site in it.
That is the end scurouridinecleavage site within the spike
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protein, which is not found innature.
It's never been found in batviruses before, which indicates
the lab grown nature of thevaccine and of course, from that
you can't say whether this wasa deliberate release or it was
an accidental release, buteither way it's a fist
manufactured by humans.
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Thank you, bada and theDepartment of Defense.
James Egidio (27:11):
Yeah.
You're talking about thetechnology.
You're talking about the E coli.
That's been around for manyyears.
I believe in the pharmaceuticalindustry with the recombinant
DNA and the manufacturing of alot of medications where it just
self replicates and producesthat targeted medication.
For instance, I remember manyyears ago when they used to
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isolate the anterior pituitary Ibelieve it was for somatotropin
hormone, right and they used totake it from cadavers and then
they use that recombinant DNAtechnique to manufacture
synthetic more or less syntheticlab made somatotropin hormone,
the amino acid, that long chainfor children that had suffered
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dwarfism.
So then that way it was a lotmore cost effective and they
didn't have to isolate it fromcadavers.
So that technology has beenaround for a long time Now.
I know this new technology withthe messenger RNA they're now
saying and I even interviewed DrWilliam Makis is that they're
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manufacturing pretty much allthe vaccines with the messenger
RNA technology moving forwardand that's for pretty much
everything, not just COVID, it'sfor all vaccines.
Is that true?
Dr. Chris Flowers (28:29):
Yes, that is true, it came in last year.
Really, with the flu vaccinesyou had to be very careful If
you wanted to take a vaccineanymore.
One of the ones was therecombinant one, which was done,
which was a modified mRNAvaccine.
But going forward, yes, indeed,the RSV shots, all the new
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shots that are coming out, arebased on that platform.
Now, in theory, that could beall right if the DNA plasma
contamination is cleaned up.
I understand you also hadHedley-Rees on your program
before.
Yes, hedley-rees is very hot onthe manufacturing process and
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has pointed out all the issuesthat have been involved in the
production of this COVID vaccineand other mRNA vaccines.
And especially, it wasoriginally noted also by the
European Medicines Agency, whoasked for more information from
Pfizer about the degree ofcontamination, but that since
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has been silenced within theEuropean Union and they've shut
down any discussion about thequality assurance processes and
what's called good manufacturingpractice, which is a standard
across.
All was a standard across theworld.
But you could rely on yourmedication.
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You want to know if you'retaking something that's supposed
to do you good.
Has it been made properly?
Does it contain anything thatit shouldn't do?
These are basic things, aren'tthey and that's now been thrown
aside and the sequencing that'sbeen done by Dr Birkelson, south
Carolina, for example, and byKevin McCurnan, also in his lab,
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have shown the extensivecontamination of the vaccine and
they've tested it acrossmultiple batches leftover and
some intact batches that havenever been used and have been
kept at the right storagetemperature.
So you can't blame it on thefact it was held at the wrong
temperature or anything likethat.
It was open because it containsthese contaminants.
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There's no way around it.
It's an objective thing.
You can measure these things.
The question is why are theystill allowing it?
What is the reason that they'restaying silent?
How much of this is due to abig farmer basically regulating
themselves?
There are so many questionsthat arise from this.
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Just as a scientist, I come toall of these things with a
skeptical mind.
And science always you come tothis.
You've got the subtle signs,and then what you do?
The first thing you do is youquestion it what about this?
What could I do better?
You're always trying to improvethings and yet now, if you live
(31:34):
in France, you're in troublebecause you are not allowed to
question mRNA vaccines.
I don't know if you've noticedthat.
No, none about that, but that'sbeen recently passed in the
French Parliament and there isgoing to be trouble, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Mark.
This will probably spread andit's a significant part.
It made a significant headwayin trying to convince parents
they shouldn't vaccinatechildren.
I was just looking at new datatoday from Orange County,
California, with more than a fewschools showing between 40 and
60 percent children notvaccinated.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You could say this is a victim of success.
In the countries where you havemeasles all the time, nobody
gets confused about this.
Do you get mad about it?
I get more mad about the deathswe're not avoiding.
I spend my time on thecountries where you still have,
in the case of measles, over300,000 kids dying a year.
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In the case of diarrhealdiseases, over a million a year.
There's 6 million kids a yearstill dying.
Why aren't we getting vaccinesout in Africa for diarrhea, for
respiratory disease?
Why don't we have a vaccine formalaria?
Those are the things that Ipush forward.
I wouldn't say I get angry, butI'm really impatient that we're
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not moving as fast as I'd like.
James Egidio (32:59):
So I think that's who leads the narrative a lot
when you have people like BillGates getting involved with this
and he's got his claws into thewhole vaccine program you start
to have this, that is,extensive immunological training
.
So I think you have to startquestioning the integrity of the
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medical system as a whole andthe pharmaceutical industry as a
whole.
And then you have professionalssuch as yourself and even Karen
Kingston, like I said earlier,who discovered that there's the
hydrogels and the grapheneoxides that are formulated in
these vaccines upon isolation.
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Then there's a Dr Achilles whotalks about this being an
intentional payload to and a lotof people say it's conspiracy
theory as a payload forconnecting more or less people
to G and to quantum tattoos andall this other technology.
So I think what we're seeing isman meets technology or biology
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meets technology.
What's your take on that?
Dr. Chris Flowers (34:08):
The only evidence I've actually seen was
some analysis of the wastewaterfrom a city in Philadelphia or
the Philadelphia area and wewere going to publish this but
unfortunately the people whoprovided us with the information
they wouldn't provide us withenough information to vet the
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information correctly or atleast enough to put out there in
one of the publications onDaily Clash.
And this showed the wastewaterwith these strange, unusual
tubular structures that looklike sheets of something that's
rolled up which will beconsistent with graphene oxide
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but with the sequencing andother analysis of the vaccines,
so far I haven't personally seenany evidence of the particles
basically being evident.
But I understand the concern.
But my concern has been up tonow mostly on the Pfizer
documents and Moderna documentsand what do they actually show.
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So I'm trying to keep mostly onin my own lane and I need those
lanes to others.
Okay, perhaps we could go backto.
I think one of the mostimportant points is the big
pharma control over thenarrative.
And you asked me specificallywhat about the pediatricians at
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that time?
Why weren't they noticing, whyweren't they speaking up?
And one of the things that wasnoted very early on was huge
amounts of money were beingspent by big pharma to the
Academy of Pediatrics withAmerican Academy of Pediatrics,
for example and OBGYNs andinternists were actually being
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paid to ensure that their peoplewere vaccinated.
They got incentive payments andthere was a silencing of an
criticism towards the vaccine,and so there is definitely as
well.
Remember that the FDA is mainlyfunded by outside money from big
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pharma.
It's not actually what it usedto be.
I presented in front of the FDAover a decade and 20 years ago
30 years ago, I remember doingthis.
It was not like this.
It was totally independent andthey were really strict Down to.
I was thinking this isabsolutely insane.
The amount of paperwork andthings we had to produce to
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prove that it was perfectly safebefore we could even introduce
something in a research study.
So it's gone from that as being.
The narrative is driven by bigpharma.
They own the outlets basicallybrought to you by Pfizer.
Everything's brought to you byPfizer and Moderna or
Gladstone-SmithKline.
They control the news.
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They've actually said that andtheir statements that they
wanted to drive the narrative.
And then you've got the aspectsof big tech, balancing critics,
balancing questioning, which isa basic scientific thing you do
.
This is what science really is,as I said before, is
questioning the narrative,finding out is there something
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that we're missing, is theresomething we can do better?
And that's not been takingplace and it is frowned upon.
We're now told you've got tobelieve the science, the science
of Dr Fauci, not science.
What we've all grown up with isthat there is a controlled
narrative, which never used tobe present, and it concerns me
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greatly because we are as humans.
We do question, but are webeing controlled that we don't
question anymore?
Why are we being brainwashednot to question statements put
out by the authorities?
Is this in a lead up tosomething we just don't know?
James Egidio (38:13):
This was discovered as early as, I
believe, 2021,.
You're saying here's an Israeli, that's good, yeah.
So we're talking what's maybenot even four or five months
after the rollout, correct?
Dr. Chris Flowers (38:26):
Very shortly.
The EUA was on the 11th ofDecember 2020.
The first people to receive thevaccine were in the UK.
Majority would give vaccine atthat time and the first supplies
in the US started comingthrough in January and February,
where they were being givenpreferentially to healthcare
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workers because they thoughtthey would protect the
healthcare workers, and then thegeneral public began to be
offered it in March.
So this is before I was offeredit as a doctor in my local
hospital.
My primary care didn't let meknow that.
It was available until March2021.
And yet in February 2021, theyalready knew that.
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And it takes two minimum twomonths to get that sort of
information together and that'swhy it is so jarring that
information was out there thatearly and they covered it up and
the evidence was in thosefoyers of the CDC conspiring
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with the White House trying tocome up with a narrative that
everything is safe.
And then Wielenski went out onTV promoting the scene.
James Egidio (39:45):
And these are the Foyed emails.
And this was what October of2023, correct that's right, we
did that in the late fall.
Yeah, and this was all part ofthe 75-year release of any
information by Pfizer, but thenit gets what leaked.
How does the information getdisseminated?
Dr. Chris Flowers (40:07):
No, that's not correct.
This is totally separate to thePfizer documents.
These are Foyeds done by ourattorneys group volunteer
attorneys that when we identifyareas of information like the
Mycarditis so when I produced myfirst report on this in March
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of 2020, showing that there hadbeen a signal and the FDA and
CDC likely knew about it, andback in October certainly in
early 2021.
We started asking questions.
We actually started writing toattorneys general that we
thought might be helpful to askthe questions.
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That didn't work out very welland eventually we managed to
work on the Foyeds and them downso that we could actually get
information.
And this is one of the severalFoyed emails done by our team,
not the Aaron Ciri group thatgot the original 75-year band
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documents.
James Egidio (41:12):
Okay, so there is a difference between that
75-year documents versus whatyou guys uncovered, okay.
Dr. Chris Flowers (41:19):
We're still going through these emails.
There are so many of them.
Amy Kelly did quite a lot ofthis work.
When it first came out, whilewe were working on the other
documents, she was siftingthrough with a keen eye on
looking for this Mycarditisthing story and she found all
this and first pointed it out tome that this is what they found
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.
So that's why we wrote thereports as a result.
James Egidio (41:46):
Yeah, so a lot of these Foyed emails are redacted
from what I take too correct.
Dr. Chris Flowers (41:54):
There's some pages that are just black.
As I saw that what they do stillsay it says from the office of
Potos.
It indicates it's White Houseand then it's black.
So they have not shared thetalking points that they
developed.
They did a sort of PowerPointslide deck and those were all
redacted.
They didn't want us to knowwhat they were actually saying
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as a group, because otherwiseit'd be very obvious.
You could actually go.
I would love to make a video ofit.
Here's the slide of the talkingpoints and then picking out all
the talking points from thevarious news shows and things
from all around the world, allsaying exactly the same thing,
which is what tends to happen.
When you know it, this is likethe voice of God.
You have to say this.
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Then it happens on everychannel.
James Egidio (42:41):
It probably has all the financial information as
to what stocks to buy and whatday.
It's probably what it is.
It's got somebody's name in itthat doesn't want to be revealed
.
You know that and I know thatit's crazy.
We're in a really interestingtime in the medical industry, I
think Even in general.
(43:02):
That's going to be veryinteresting to see what happens
here in the near future.
Dr. Chris Flowers (43:07):
It's the worries of transhumanism, the
neural links, all these otherthings that are going on with
artificial intelligence.
Yeah, the fact that they'retalking about using AI in the
discovery of new treatments,which you can guarantee will all
be mRNA based Of course it willSure.
The revolving money machine.
James Egidio (43:29):
Yeah, I did a little research myself on a lot
of the companies that areactually manufacturing the
biotech companies.
Lo and behold, I uncovered that90% of these companies that are
manufacturing these mRNAvaccines are guess where they're
from no other than China.
They're Chinese companies thatare doing business in the United
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States is what they are.
Dr. Chris Flowers (43:54):
That is very unclassed allowed.
It's a bit like buying upChinese nationals, buying up
Chinese entities, buying landaround military installations
yeah, why would you do that?
James Egidio (44:05):
What's really frustrating about that right.
That's the thing too, is italways goes back to the politics
of where you live.
Neither political partiesreally doing anything about it.
To be quite honest with you, Ijust don't think they really
want to do anything about it.
I think they have an interestin it.
All of them do.
They all have to make a lot ofmoney.
Dr. Chris Flowers (44:27):
They go in broke and they come out of
Congress extremely rich and moveinto a lobbying job.
James Egidio (44:34):
Exactly, I think that's what it's all about.
Dr. Chris Flowers (44:38):
May I tell you a quick story about a
medical student I was a mentorfor back in the University of
Nottingham in the United Kingdom.
He went into public health.
He eventually became aprofessor and he used to be on
the daily interviews with BorisJohnson, the Prime Minister, and
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the Health Minister, professorJohnson Van Tan, who, as the
public health representative,really should have been managing
the balance of risk versusbenefits when it comes to a
vaccine.
He had all that information andhe decided after two years now
he's now working for a part-timefor Moderna.
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He's been given a verylucrative job at Moderna.
James Egidio (45:25):
What's his name?
Dr. Chris Flowers (45:26):
again, he's gone from promoting the vaccine
Jonathan Van Tan.
James Egidio (45:30):
Jonathan Van Tan Fauci is his last name.
No, Tan is his last name.
Yes, I know him.
That's sad, it's really sad.
Dr. Chris Flowers (45:43):
It's sad, but he was a nice guy.
He was one of the Vietnameseboat people families that were
rescued.
They came they're refugees inthe UK.
He'd succeeded at school and hegot a place at med school To
end up being manipulated and noteven doing what I believe is
his job of advancing risk versusbenefits, when he knew all that
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information.
We are presuming thateverything that we are seeing
now the FDA, the CDC committees,the MHRA in the UK, the
European Medicines Agency andthe TGA in Australia had all of
this information when they camein their countries to authorize
the use of the vaccine.
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Now they could just turn aroundand say actually it was all
hidden from us.
We were just instructed by theFDA, everything's fine, we've
reviewed it for you.
They haven't done that.
I can't understand why theydidn't play the blame game and
move on.
They could escape a lot of theproblems, but they haven't done.
I'm following this up in theUnited Kingdom when I'm over
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there with one of the members ofparliament trying to get to the
bottom of this.
But transparency in the UK isvery difficult.
There's going to be a generalelection coming up.
Either party are graduates.
It doesn't matter whetheryou're a Labour or Conservative,
it's the same governmentbasically, just with a few
changes on one side or the other.
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It really is like a uniparty,just like we seem to have in the
Congress right now.
James Egidio (47:20):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
This is, I think, all part ofthis so-called great, the great
reset and, like I said, I thinkit's where technology meets.
Biology is what it is andthere's no question about it.
They let you know about it andwe've been informed.
There's enough information outthere by now that this stuff is
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dangerous, and I've said thismany times on many episodes of
this podcast, as I personallyknow eight people that died
suddenly from it, and one was 30years old.
I don't know anyone that diedfrom COVID not one person that
died from COVID but I know eightpeople that died from this
vaccine.
Dr. Chris Flowers (47:59):
So that seems to be common practice, but
you're either finding people whoare dropping dead or suddenly
someone who used to have cancergot over it.
Suddenly you've got cancer andthey're terminal Right, or
they've had a minor cancer andsuddenly it's become very
aggressive and again it'schanged type and become really
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life threatening and difficultto treat.
And as a cancer specialist,this really bothers me, because
we don't know why this ishappening.
We know the baseline why it'sprobably happening.
We can't even do the basicscience.
We're not allowed to ask thequestions.
There's obvious.
There's this excess deaths arenow occurring.
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It's documented everywhereacross countries that have
received the vaccine, but peopledon't want to ask the question
that, oh, it's all locked up.
They all had depression, theyturned to alcohol, that's why
they died.
James Egidio (48:53):
Yeah, we're in a really dark time in the medical
industry.
I know I was in it for a longtime, over most of my life, but
24 years with a practice andwe're in a very dark time in the
medical industry.
And what's really sad about it,too, is you have the doctors,
such as yourself, that are wellintended and want to get the
information out there.
And then, on the other side ofthe spectrum, you have the
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doctors that are participatingin this because they don't want
to lose their jobs and they'reintimidated and they're scared
by the upper echelon, the upperlevel management, that are
running the hospitals and theclinics.
So it's as a patient.
You're in the middle of it.
A person who's a patient is inthe middle of all this mess.
What do you do?
Who do you trust?
Where do you go for help?
Dr. Chris Flowers (49:39):
The first thing you do is you question,
you say qui bono, who benefits?
Right.
And if you go to a hospital,they say I'd like you to have
this or I'd like you to havethat sort of treatment or that
test.
Ask questions, Sure, Ask who'sactually benefiting?
Is this for your bottom line,to line your pocket, or is this
something that's actually goingto benefit me If I have this
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treatment?
What's my?
What are those potentialadverse effects?
What benefits are we going toget?
When I was working in cancertreatment, one of the things the
tools we used to use to talk topatients about chemotherapy and
radiation therapy and hormonetherapy was a tool that gave you
a risk.
You took all the data from thetumour so it was identified
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specifically treatment for thatpatient's tumour not general,
but very specific and so you saw, oh, you've got to, If you have
this, and that you're going tohave a 2% reduction in your risk
of death.
Now wait a minute.
If your risk of reduction, Ifyour risk of death is pretty low
and you're going to reduce itby 2%, why would you take
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chemotherapy Right or haveradiation?
So if there was a big benefit,the patients could then make
that determination themselves.
They used to ask what do youthink I should tell myself?
The evidence is that you helpedthem come to that their own
conclusion, but you explained tothem what this actually means
in real terms.
Rather than oh you've, we canreduce your risk of dying by 2%.
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You could give you another 5,10 years.
That's not quite how it works.
It's very muchpercentage-driven and it's
really not entirely accurate,even with all the DNA markers
that we use.
So it's tough.
You've got to always balancerisk versus benefits.
Patients need to ask that sortof question.
You need to question yourdoctors, Because I think if more
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people did that, maybe doctorswould start to question
themselves again and put thequestioning attitude back inside
of them, Because it's alwaysbeen there, but maybe it's laid
dormant for the last two yearsand we've got to awaken that
interest in questioning again.
James Egidio (51:44):
Yeah, I know, I was just reading recently I
believe it was on Substack anarticle about how these
modern-day med students arebeing trained and they're
putting things like gender.
They're more focused on genderstudies in medical school rather
than diagnosing and treatingand all this politically correct
garbage and it's really sad.
(52:06):
I even did a solo episode onthat.
I did things to look for in adoctor and healthcare provider
and that was one of them.
It's higher a physician that'sover 55 years old, for goodness
sake, because at least thatphysician comes from a
generation of physicians thatwere trained to learn how to
diagnose and treat and not worryabout someone's gender and how
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to approach them and theirgender.
Yeah, you're right, you reallyhave to get more than one
opinion from a physician.
I have a guest on the MedicalTruth podcast.
His name is Chris Warke and hispodcast is it's Chris Beat
Cancer and he basically said thesame thing.
He was diagnosed with stagethree colon cancer like 20 years
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ago at 24 years old, and he hadthe tumor surgically removed
and he did follow-up rightaround Christmas of that year
when he had the tumor removed,him and his wife went in for
post-op follow-up for treatmentwith chemo and he refused the
chemotherapy.
He and his wife did not likethe way that they were treated.
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They were treated like he wastreated like a number and they
walked out of the office and hetold me they were balling their
eyes out.
He says and I just had to makethat decision not to take any
chemotherapy after the surgery.
He says, and I just went on araw diet and a juice diet.
He says, and I've been, he'sbeen cancer-free ever since,
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ever when the cancer went inremission and the tumor never
came back.
Dr. Chris Flowers (53:35):
There's a good example of someone who made
a right choice.
Yeah.
James Egidio (53:39):
How many?
Dr. Chris Flowers (53:39):
of us have made bad choices in our lives in
the past few years yeah.
Yeah, I even had a doctor.
I was taking the vaccine in thefirst place.
James Egidio (53:46):
Yeah, I even had a doctor that came on my podcast,
Dr Dominic Brandy out ofPennsylvania.
Same thing he had gottendiagnosed with cancer as well
and he went on a natural rawdiet and his cancer went into
remission.
And here's a doctor.
He's a.
He was, I believe he's aplastic surgeon, but I really
appreciate your time coming onto the Medical Truth podcast.
(54:09):
I really appreciate it.
Dr. Chris Flowers (54:11):
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
James Egidio (54:13):
Absolutely, doctor .
Thank you so much.
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With your host of the MedicalTruth Podcast, James Egidio.
James Egidio (00:19):
Dr Flowers, welcome to the Medical Truth
Podcast.
How are you doing today?
Dr. Chris Flowers (00:23):
I'm doing great Thanks for having me.
James Egidio (00:25):
Absolutely so for the listeners and viewers of the
Medical Truth Podcast.
A little bit about who you areand what you do and what you
discovered.
Dr. Chris Flowers (00:34):
Yes, so I'm a retired radiologist.
I've worked in two differentcontinents, both in Europe, in
the UK and, laterally from thepast 18 years, mainly in the
University of California, bothin San Francisco and in Los
Angeles, and also over inFlorida in Tampa at the Moffat
(00:57):
Cancer Center.
I've been doing cancer researchfor over 40 years now and I
noticed when the call was putout by Steve Bannon on the forum
that it was encouraging them toget a group of people organized
(01:17):
under her banner to investigatethe fires of documents.
I thought I can offer myservices.
I'm retired now and don't havequite the same exposure as many
of the doctors of medicalfreedom who've lost their jobs
as a result.
I was able to assess the initiallaunch of documents and
identify the low hanging fruit,and that's how we got started.
(01:39):
We came, we were given, reallywe were presented on a platter
some very key findings which Ithink if I had realized what
they were releasing, theyprobably wouldn't have put those
in the first trance, becausewhat's happened is we've had two
years now of documents beingdropped to us.
(02:00):
They've been encrypted, many ofthe PDFs have been provided as
JPEGs so that our data teams hadto do optical character
recognition and get them intotext format and then into
spreadsheets so that we couldassess them.
And also the data has beendropped just a little bit here
and a little bit there, so thatwe're only now, after two years,
(02:24):
getting the full picture formost of the people who are in
the original clinical trial.
So you can see, and now we cansee why.
We can see why the FDA didn'twant these documents released
for 75 years.
It's very clear.
James Egidio (02:40):
Yeah, the thing is that the thing that got my
attention I was on Substack, I'malso on Substack, I contribute
some content on there, and thisparticular article that popped
up is this one that was datedwhat?
Two days ago actually, and itwas a report.
It's called Report 94.
Cancer secretly studied a heartdamage marker troponin 1, in 5
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to 15 year olds following mRNACOVID vaccination in 2021.
So what I want to do is I justwant to walk the listeners and
viewers of the Medical Truthpodcast through this paper,
because I know you methodicallywent through it, step by step
pretty much, and you startedwith something that was really
(03:25):
interesting that I'll read tothe listeners and viewers is.
You said we warned that therewas proof that the Pfizer B, as
in boy N, as in Nancy T, as inTom 1, 6, 2, b2, messenger RNA
COVID vaccine caused heartdamage in teens and young adults
as early as May of 2021.
(03:48):
So I think the most importantthing was the timeline as we go
along with this.
And then you also go on to say,as more information surfaces
from the court, mandated releaseof Pfizer clinical trial
documents by the FDA and, viaFoyed emails, the CDC's cover up
(04:09):
of evidence of COVID-19,messenger RNA vaccine,
associated myocarditis in minorsbecomes increasingly serious,
and then you go on to talk aboutthat and there's a kind of a
specific timeline as to that.
So let's just walk the viewersand listeners of the Medical
Truth podcast through thattimeline of what you discovered,
(04:32):
and we'll even talk about thisstudy that was done as well and
what it revealed.
The Pfizer 2-3 study yes.
Dr. Chris Flowers (04:43):
So the key here is what is myocarditis?
You've heard about myocarditis,pericarditis, things like that,
as one of the knowledge adverseevents from the Pfizer BNT162
B2.
Now, just to be clear thatBNT162 B2 is the vaccine that
(05:05):
was given and made available toall members of the population in
the United States.
It is not something that wasgenerally given to the rest of
the world.
The rest of the world gotsomething known as comere nati.
Okay, they got the originalBNT162 B2 originally, but in
(05:26):
fact they got this new thingcalled comere nati, which is a
sort of it's a differentformulation of what the US
population has been given.
So that's just to put incontext what this BNT162 B2 is.
Because, to be quite clear,this is what we as US citizens
(05:46):
are being given for so-calledCOVID prevention.
And the other thing to rememberis that this myocarditis turns
up normally just as an infection.
We used to see occasional casesof myocarditis in teens,
usually after a flu-like illness, things like that, and
(06:09):
sometimes this myocarditis wasso severe that patients ended up
in total cardiac failure andthey had ended up having to have
cardiac transplants.
Not a good thing at all.
And the standard treatment foranyone who has raised markers
nose markers was somethingcalled troponin and this is
(06:30):
what's looked at in that we'retalking about today.
In the bloodstream the troponinone is a marker of damage to
the lining and the muscle of theheart that's called the
myocardium, and this troponinshows up in the bloodstream.
It can be a very good marker ofeven mild myocarditis.
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What is myocarditis anyway?
This is normally people don'teven notice they've got it, but
they can still have raisedtroponin.
But mostly you get a bit ofshortness of breath, maybe you
get some palpitations until itbecomes really severe and then
you get short of breath tryingto do anything.
So what the standard treatmenthas been is to ban people from
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doing sports until they'vecompletely recovered, because
you can imagine the adrenalinethings pumping around as you're
playing a game on the field andif you're not careful you're
going to have an arrhythmia.
That means the heart rhythm isabnormal and Often that means
that the heart effectivelydoesn't pump anymore and you
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suddenly collapse on the floor,sometimes dead, and of course
that is what we've been seeing.
This is the sudden adult deathsyndrome that's become quite
prominent and very andrelatively common over the years
since we've had this modifiedand vaccine Given to us.
So that's the background to it.
But it's really quiteinteresting that when I was
(08:05):
looking into this it's somethingI noticed separate from the by
the documents as I was lookingat the severe adverse events.
That was a signal ofmyocarditis and I knew in the
medical reports that there wasmyocarditis being reported in
teens after the second dose ofthe vaccine, in particular,
(08:28):
usually more in males thanfemales, and this was in the
region sort of 16 17 upwards tolow 20s.
James Egidio (08:35):
That will seem to be the common sort of thing and
so I don't hold your thought forone minute, though I want to
back up just for a moment again.
You mentioned at the verybeginning of this conversation
about the comority and thedifference in the formulation of
the comority versus the Pfizervaccine that was used here in
the United States.
What is the difference?
(08:56):
Just as an overview of thatreal quick, then we'll go on.
Dr. Chris Flowers (09:00):
The only difference is number was only
one major difference, and thatis it didn't require an EUA.
It's the only preparationthat's been approved by the FDA
For use, but not in the US.
So that's what the rest of theworld have been using and the
only Substitutability, when youlook at the vaccine, is a
(09:22):
difference in one of the thingsthat makes up the constituents
of the vaccine not the mRNA, butthe things that support the
mRNA platform, and it's thoughtto be possibly less toxic.
But other than that, they havethe same issues that we can talk
about later, about Process toall the DNA plasma in fragment
(09:43):
contamination, and some of it isvery high and it's variable
between batches, which may alsoExplain some of the adverse
events that people are gettingwider.
Some have it more than others.
Are you lucky with your batch?
Yeah, actually, the publicprobably told me develop the
website how bad is my batch?
(10:04):
To try and help peopleascertain, oh sir, chances or
check their relatives.
Have you had a batch that isknown Because some of these
serious adverse events?
James Egidio (10:16):
Yeah, I have that.
Actually I posted that how badis your batch?
On the free resources page ofthe medical truth podcast calm,
where you can go in and put yourlot number in.
It'll give you some of theadverse events that occurred
with the particular lot numberthat's associated with Vaccine
that you received.
But go ahead, I'm sorry.
Dr. Chris Flowers (10:34):
As far as getting back to this the study,
then this Pfizer study, I didn'tmean to interrupt, I just
wanted to kind of that's noproblem, because people don't
understand it, certainly in thestates that we're not given
something that's been approved,we're still use being used using
this emergency useauthorization, which really has
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no place in society when there'sno medical emergency.
You know, the fact is they'venot removed this Emergency
status and, as a result, we'restill taking this BNT 162 B2 and
Not being offered the otherother one.
So I think that's reallyimportant to clear up and yeah,
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to one side.
James Egidio (11:17):
Yeah.
Don't you also think, too,though, that because of this
emergency youth useauthorization, it takes the
liability away from thepharmaceutical companies, the
companies that have manufacturedthis stuff?
Dr. Chris Flowers (11:28):
There are many other reasons why the big
farmer have been protected fromany litigation the fact that
this was also a prototype underthe other transaction authority
under the Department of Defense.
It basically prevents the USgovernment from doing itself.
They're ultra protected.
There's the prep act that alsoprotects them.
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Vaccine manufacturers have beenprotected for many years.
They were they.
Basically they held thegovernment to hostage that they
wouldn't produce vaccines unlessthey were given liability
protection and this has gone tothe nth degree now right, and
this is something that reallylegislation has to be done to
get rid of the prep act.
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It has no place these days.
Need to have we need to havethe transparency, we need to
have accountability, which issomething we don't get when it's
all done under this Departmentof Defense.
But Anna and the DARPA.
James Egidio (12:25):
Yeah, so you're talking about this study and
that took place.
This phase 2 3 obtainedobtaining serum for potential
troponin 1 testing, so go ahead.
You were breaking down the agegroups and whatnot on that.
Dr. Chris Flowers (12:41):
Yeah, so they could basically the communist
time.
They are likely to getmyocarditis, which before
co-fabrication, was relativelyrare.
As a cardiology resident, Iworked in the pediatric
cardiology unit in MontfieldChildren's Hospital during my
training I just said cardiologyresident and and we saw one case
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of myocarditis in the period Iwas there, so it was rare.
When people were flown in, thiswas a tertiary hospital, so
people get flown in from longdistances away because they have
trouble dealing with this sortof thing.
So it was, as I say, it wasrare until Vaccines came along
and now it seems to be extremelycommon.
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And it was only just, say, twomonths after the introduction of
the vaccine that people beganto notice this uptake in
myocarditis.
In fact, a group in IsraelPointed this out to their health
ministry and they had apublication in preprint and the
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Israeli Ministry of HealthAlerted the CDC that there was a
myocarditis safety signal, andthis was in February 2021.
Now we didn't tend to get.
The vaccine wasn't reallyreadily available in the US
until March it was that's when.
March 2021 is when I had myfirst and second dose of the
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vaccine back, when I Was told itwas all safe and effective and
this was the only way we weregoing to get through COVID and I
needed it for travel.
I thought if I'd known what I'dknown now, I would never have
taken it in the first place.
They knew in February of 2021and the happen was that they
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didn't acknowledge this Untilcommonality had its full-scale
authorization we used thelicensing was in October of 2021
, that's six months later and itwas in their little identity
get a little sheet of adverseevents and it's actually in
there.
So they acknowledged it in theinformation sheet that
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accompanies the common RTvaccine, but we didn't know
about it and, of course, drWalensky on the CDC was going on
about now.
There was no problems, we'regoing to keep vaccinating, etc.
Etc.
So it was a big problem.
So this paper is what I'mtalking about today is that the
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foyers that have been obtainedby Attorney Ed Berkovich showed
that the CDC were working withthe White House and the
communications team and the FDAto cover up the fact that there
was myocarditis going on.
It was really serious.
And yet at the same time, theydid this research study for
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COVID-19 in young children andthis was looking at taking
troponics.
These were called activesurveillance.
They didn't do that for themain clinical trial.
They did no active surveillanceat all.
It was an observational study.
But they did this for childrenand you have to ask yourself why
were they testing the poninlevels in these young children
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when you don't normally expect?
That's not the age group thatmyocarditis normally affects.
So they suspected something wasgoing to happen and I suspect
that they were trying to coverfor themselves.
Either they showed that itwasn't there were no raised
troponics, so this is all fakenews or whether they're getting
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ahead of themselves and saying,yes, it occurs, but it's very
mild, it was just evidence.
This was all happening when theywere saying there was no
evidence of myocarditis and theywere also encouraging the
children to get vaccinated atthe same time.
And just as a parent, you thinkwhy are the government
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thrusting this intervention onus when there are known side
effects and they're aware thatthere may well be, because
they're testing for it there andthere.
So that's the paper you can seeon the screen right now is one
of the sheets that they put outto inform parents why they were
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doing these blood draws on thechildren in the study, because
they were looking for damage totheir heart.
James Egidio (17:15):
So they knew this was going on the whole time,
this myocarditis and thesepatients.
But where were thepediatricians at the time that
were administering these andseeing this stuff coming in?
Dr. Chris Flowers (17:27):
It is a big question.
Now, the interesting thing ofall places, this was first
reported in the Children'sHospital in Seattle Washington.
Now, you'd have thought such awoke city in a woke state might
not want to put their foot outthere, but in fact that's where
it came from first, which isvery interesting.
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But that's when people wereperhaps being a little bit more
honest about what they wereseeing and they didn't realize
the consequences of whathappened to most people when you
showed the evidence of what wasactually going on the rest of
the population.
The key is that myocarditis isa big problem.
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It's a problem from youngstersto teenagers, but more deadly
around the teenage years andlate early 20s.
This is, of course, when mostyoung males, especially in high
school, they're in the highschool football team.
They want to go on to collegeand perhaps get into the NFL,
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and if they have any sign ofmyocarditis, raised troponin
levels, then what happens totheir dreams of the NFL?
What about their dreams ofbeing a college football star?
These are all put on hold and infact there are very few people
who make it through because ofthe damage that goes on to the
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heart as a result of thismyocarditis.
In fact, the Dr McCulloch haspointed this out too is the
research studies of theautopsies of people's hearts
who've had myocarditis.
They get these white plaquesinside the heart, the lining of
the heart, which is where theelectrical pathways pass through
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and actually cause thecontraction of the heart.
So to pump properly you need anintact electrical pathway and
you don't want the wiring, ifyou like, disturbed.
And this white stuff, thesefibrous bands, if you like, are
thought to be an autoimmuneeffect on the heart as a result
of the vaccine.
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And also they've done somestaining studies and they've
shown the immunohistochemistrywhich shows the spike protein is
embedded still in the hearts ofthese people who died.
And this is from.
These are from at least sixmonths earlier, when people were
vaccinated who died suddenly.
And we've been told for a longtime that, oh, spike protein
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doesn't hang around.
Spike protein gets eaten upstraight away.
But we do know from ongoingstudies that spike protein
carries on being produced.
We've been in, our cells havebeen induced, our bodies have
been induced to produce thisendless supply of spike protein.
That's how it was supposed towork, right?
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But this spike protein was theworst thing ever that they chose
.
James Egidio (20:26):
Yeah, in that electrical property at your time
.
That's the bundle of his rightbetween the two ventricles,
correct?
Dr. Chris Flowers (20:32):
That's correct, that the there's two
different systems.
There's the atrial vetricularnode that starts the heartbeat
off.
That goes from the top of theheart down across the atrium
down to the AV node, which thentransmits it into the ventricles
.
At the right time cause theheart, the ventricles, to
squeeze out the blood.
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On the right side of the heartit gets squeezed out into the
lungs and the blood getsoxygenated.
On the left side of the heartthe oxygenated blood is pumped
out, goes up to your brain andthen round the aorta to the rest
of the body.
So the ventricular contractionis one of the most important
life events that happen so manytimes every minute in
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everybody's life until they'redead.
So it's very important that wepreserve the lining of the heart
and the electrical bundles thatcause the contraction.
James Egidio (21:26):
I guess the million dollar question is the
contents of this I call it nowbio weapon and the mechanism of
action.
I go in, I get injected in thedeltoid with this messenger RNA
vaccine they call it.
What is in the actual vaccine?
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I know we've heard a lot ofthere's a lot of sentiment from
the likes of Karen Kingston, whosays it's formulated with
graphene oxide and, of course,the nano lipoprotein that
surrounds the messenger RNA andyou've got the hydrogel in it.
I know I interviewed Dr MariaMahelcha.
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She talks about the hydrogel alot.
She even talks about, of course, the graphene oxide as well.
So it gets injected in me, in,let's say, your body.
What's the mechanism of action?
What is what's actuallyhappening in the body once it's
injected?
Dr. Chris Flowers (22:25):
Yeah, from my point of view, I stick to the
three main components.
First is the lipid nanoparticlethat encases the modified mRNA
that has been shown to turn upin autopsies in testes and in
the ovaries.
Now that is extremelyconcerning Because of course,
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there's likely to be an effecton fertility Just based on the
fact you've got these hard fattyglobules.
Just you can see them almostmaking the reproductive organs
larger from the stuffing.
It's like it is really likestuffing on Thanksgiving.
It's just a mess inside of yourmain organs that are producing
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stem cells to produce sperm andovaries to bake a human being,
and that is extremely important.
And the other aspect of thelipid nanoparticle is the fact
that it was used to transmitacross membrane, so across the
blood-brain barrier, into thebrain.
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Blood-brain barrier isextremely important to protect
the brain from toxins.
But also it can cross theplacenta and get into babies
when you're pregnant, which iswhy Pfizer were very careful in
their protocols to say thatpregnant women should not
receive this experimentaltreatment.
But also the lipid nanoparticlefuses with cells and injects
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the mRNA into the cell.
That is one of the key problemsBecause injecting the mRNA into
the cell, you get the rest ofthe contents that's in that
vaccine, which are these DNAplasmid fragments.
That's the so-called process 2.
I don't know if you've had theopportunity of having an
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interview with Josh Groits-Gaouzfrom the Hebrew University in
Jerusalem, who was one of ourco-partners working on this
process 2 that we identifiedtogether.
It was actually hidden at theend of the clinical trial.
They had 250 people injectedwith this process 2, which was
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the new manufacturing way thatPfizer were going to scale up
their production of this vaccine, and the way it was done was
using E coli and they're calledplasmids and those plasmids are
like duplicated.
It's almost like a photocopier.
It makes multiple copies of thething and then you have to
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break these up with protease toget out the bit that you
actually need.
But the problem with these DNAplasmids is that they contain
all sorts of foreign proteins,motor genes, things like that.
So one of the things that'sused to make the lipid
nanoparticles and the mRNA stickaround is something called SV40
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, the simian virus 40.
That is used to prolong theextent of the hanging around the
modified mRNA, if you like andthat is known to cause cancer,
and so we're worried about that,and there are fragments of that
SV40 promoter gene found in thesequencing studies that have
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been done by multiplebiochemists in the US and in
Europe, and people are findingit all the time.
Not only that, there are allsorts of other things that are
there.
There was one very early paper,back in 2021, when they were
looking at the spike protein,that they found one of the E
coli endotoxins embedded in thespike protein, which is
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dangerous.
But then you've got the spikeprotein, which is what's made by
this modified mRNA which getsinto your cells, makes your
cells produce the spike protein,which was then thought to
produce the antibody which wewere supposed to use.
It's a very unusual journeythat they went on.
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Why did they do this?
There's so many questions there, there's so many theories, but
basically it's a manufacturedvirus, or at least a
manufactured spike protein,because it had the furan
cleavage site in it.
That is the end scurouridinecleavage site within the spike
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protein, which is not found innature.
It's never been found in batviruses before, which indicates
the lab grown nature of thevaccine and of course, from that
you can't say whether this wasa deliberate release or it was
an accidental release, buteither way it's a fist
manufactured by humans.
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Thank you, bada and theDepartment of Defense.
James Egidio (27:11):
Yeah.
You're talking about thetechnology.
You're talking about the E coli.
That's been around for manyyears.
I believe in the pharmaceuticalindustry with the recombinant
DNA and the manufacturing of alot of medications where it just
self replicates and producesthat targeted medication.
For instance, I remember manyyears ago when they used to
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isolate the anterior pituitary Ibelieve it was for somatotropin
hormone, right and they used totake it from cadavers and then
they use that recombinant DNAtechnique to manufacture
synthetic more or less syntheticlab made somatotropin hormone,
the amino acid, that long chainfor children that had suffered
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dwarfism.
So then that way it was a lotmore cost effective and they
didn't have to isolate it fromcadavers.
So that technology has beenaround for a long time Now.
I know this new technology withthe messenger RNA they're now
saying and I even interviewed DrWilliam Makis is that they're
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manufacturing pretty much allthe vaccines with the messenger
RNA technology moving forwardand that's for pretty much
everything, not just COVID, it'sfor all vaccines.
Is that true?
Dr. Chris Flowers (28:29):
Yes, that is true, it came in last year.
Really, with the flu vaccinesyou had to be very careful If
you wanted to take a vaccineanymore.
One of the ones was therecombinant one, which was done,
which was a modified mRNAvaccine.
But going forward, yes, indeed,the RSV shots, all the new
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shots that are coming out, arebased on that platform.
Now, in theory, that could beall right if the DNA plasma
contamination is cleaned up.
I understand you also hadHedley-Rees on your program
before.
Yes, hedley-rees is very hot onthe manufacturing process and
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has pointed out all the issuesthat have been involved in the
production of this COVID vaccineand other mRNA vaccines.
And especially, it wasoriginally noted also by the
European Medicines Agency, whoasked for more information from
Pfizer about the degree ofcontamination, but that since
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has been silenced within theEuropean Union and they've shut
down any discussion about thequality assurance processes and
what's called good manufacturingpractice, which is a standard
across.
All was a standard across theworld.
But you could rely on yourmedication.
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You want to know if you'retaking something that's supposed
to do you good.
Has it been made properly?
Does it contain anything thatit shouldn't do?
These are basic things, aren'tthey and that's now been thrown
aside and the sequencing that'sbeen done by Dr Birkelson, south
Carolina, for example, and byKevin McCurnan, also in his lab,
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have shown the extensivecontamination of the vaccine and
they've tested it acrossmultiple batches leftover and
some intact batches that havenever been used and have been
kept at the right storagetemperature.
So you can't blame it on thefact it was held at the wrong
temperature or anything likethat.
It was open because it containsthese contaminants.
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There's no way around it.
It's an objective thing.
You can measure these things.
The question is why are theystill allowing it?
What is the reason that they'restaying silent?
How much of this is due to abig farmer basically regulating
themselves?
There are so many questionsthat arise from this.
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Just as a scientist, I come toall of these things with a
skeptical mind.
And science always you come tothis.
You've got the subtle signs,and then what you do?
The first thing you do is youquestion it what about this?
What could I do better?
You're always trying to improvethings and yet now, if you live
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in France, you're in troublebecause you are not allowed to
question mRNA vaccines.
I don't know if you've noticedthat.
No, none about that, but that'sbeen recently passed in the
French Parliament and there isgoing to be trouble, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Mark.
This will probably spread andit's a significant part.
It made a significant headwayin trying to convince parents
they shouldn't vaccinatechildren.
I was just looking at new datatoday from Orange County,
California, with more than a fewschools showing between 40 and
60 percent children notvaccinated.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You could say this is a victim of success.
In the countries where you havemeasles all the time, nobody
gets confused about this.
Do you get mad about it?
I get more mad about the deathswe're not avoiding.
I spend my time on thecountries where you still have,
in the case of measles, over300,000 kids dying a year.
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In the case of diarrhealdiseases, over a million a year.
There's 6 million kids a yearstill dying.
Why aren't we getting vaccinesout in Africa for diarrhea, for
respiratory disease?
Why don't we have a vaccine formalaria?
Those are the things that Ipush forward.
I wouldn't say I get angry, butI'm really impatient that we're
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not moving as fast as I'd like.
James Egidio (32:59):
So I think that's who leads the narrative a lot
when you have people like BillGates getting involved with this
and he's got his claws into thewhole vaccine program you start
to have this, that is,extensive immunological training
.
So I think you have to startquestioning the integrity of the
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medical system as a whole andthe pharmaceutical industry as a
whole.
And then you have professionalssuch as yourself and even Karen
Kingston, like I said earlier,who discovered that there's the
hydrogels and the grapheneoxides that are formulated in
these vaccines upon isolation.
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Then there's a Dr Achilles whotalks about this being an
intentional payload to and a lotof people say it's conspiracy
theory as a payload forconnecting more or less people
to G and to quantum tattoos andall this other technology.
So I think what we're seeing isman meets technology or biology
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meets technology.
What's your take on that?
Dr. Chris Flowers (34:08):
The only evidence I've actually seen was
some analysis of the wastewaterfrom a city in Philadelphia or
the Philadelphia area and wewere going to publish this but
unfortunately the people whoprovided us with the information
they wouldn't provide us withenough information to vet the
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information correctly or atleast enough to put out there in
one of the publications onDaily Clash.
And this showed the wastewaterwith these strange, unusual
tubular structures that looklike sheets of something that's
rolled up which will beconsistent with graphene oxide
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but with the sequencing andother analysis of the vaccines,
so far I haven't personally seenany evidence of the particles
basically being evident.
But I understand the concern.
But my concern has been up tonow mostly on the Pfizer
documents and Moderna documentsand what do they actually show.
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So I'm trying to keep mostly onin my own lane and I need those
lanes to others.
Okay, perhaps we could go backto.
I think one of the mostimportant points is the big
pharma control over thenarrative.
And you asked me specificallywhat about the pediatricians at
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that time?
Why weren't they noticing, whyweren't they speaking up?
And one of the things that wasnoted very early on was huge
amounts of money were beingspent by big pharma to the
Academy of Pediatrics withAmerican Academy of Pediatrics,
for example and OBGYNs andinternists were actually being
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paid to ensure that their peoplewere vaccinated.
They got incentive payments andthere was a silencing of an
criticism towards the vaccine,and so there is definitely as
well.
Remember that the FDA is mainlyfunded by outside money from big
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pharma.
It's not actually what it usedto be.
I presented in front of the FDAover a decade and 20 years ago
30 years ago, I remember doingthis.
It was not like this.
It was totally independent andthey were really strict Down to.
I was thinking this isabsolutely insane.
The amount of paperwork andthings we had to produce to
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prove that it was perfectly safebefore we could even introduce
something in a research study.
So it's gone from that as being.
The narrative is driven by bigpharma.
They own the outlets basicallybrought to you by Pfizer.
Everything's brought to you byPfizer and Moderna or
Gladstone-SmithKline.
They control the news.
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They've actually said that andtheir statements that they
wanted to drive the narrative.
And then you've got the aspectsof big tech, balancing critics,
balancing questioning, which isa basic scientific thing you do
.
This is what science really is,as I said before, is
questioning the narrative,finding out is there something
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that we're missing, is theresomething we can do better?
And that's not been takingplace and it is frowned upon.
We're now told you've got tobelieve the science, the science
of Dr Fauci, not science.
What we've all grown up with isthat there is a controlled
narrative, which never used tobe present, and it concerns me
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greatly because we are as humans.
We do question, but are webeing controlled that we don't
question anymore?
Why are we being brainwashednot to question statements put
out by the authorities?
Is this in a lead up tosomething we just don't know?
James Egidio (38:13):
This was discovered as early as, I
believe, 2021,.
You're saying here's an Israeli, that's good, yeah.
So we're talking what's maybenot even four or five months
after the rollout, correct?
Dr. Chris Flowers (38:26):
Very shortly.
The EUA was on the 11th ofDecember 2020.
The first people to receive thevaccine were in the UK.
Majority would give vaccine atthat time and the first supplies
in the US started comingthrough in January and February,
where they were being givenpreferentially to healthcare
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workers because they thoughtthey would protect the
healthcare workers, and then thegeneral public began to be
offered it in March.
So this is before I was offeredit as a doctor in my local
hospital.
My primary care didn't let meknow that.
It was available until March2021.
And yet in February 2021, theyalready knew that.
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And it takes two minimum twomonths to get that sort of
information together and that'swhy it is so jarring that
information was out there thatearly and they covered it up and
the evidence was in thosefoyers of the CDC conspiring
(39:32):
with the White House trying tocome up with a narrative that
everything is safe.
And then Wielenski went out onTV promoting the scene.
James Egidio (39:45):
And these are the Foyed emails.
And this was what October of2023, correct that's right, we
did that in the late fall.
Yeah, and this was all part ofthe 75-year release of any
information by Pfizer, but thenit gets what leaked.
How does the information getdisseminated?
Dr. Chris Flowers (40:07):
No, that's not correct.
This is totally separate to thePfizer documents.
These are Foyeds done by ourattorneys group volunteer
attorneys that when we identifyareas of information like the
Mycarditis so when I produced myfirst report on this in March
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of 2020, showing that there hadbeen a signal and the FDA and
CDC likely knew about it, andback in October certainly in
early 2021.
We started asking questions.
We actually started writing toattorneys general that we
thought might be helpful to askthe questions.
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That didn't work out very welland eventually we managed to
work on the Foyeds and them downso that we could actually get
information.
And this is one of the severalFoyed emails done by our team,
not the Aaron Ciri group thatgot the original 75-year band
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documents.
James Egidio (41:12):
Okay, so there is a difference between that
75-year documents versus whatyou guys uncovered, okay.
Dr. Chris Flowers (41:19):
We're still going through these emails.
There are so many of them.
Amy Kelly did quite a lot ofthis work.
When it first came out, whilewe were working on the other
documents, she was siftingthrough with a keen eye on
looking for this Mycarditisthing story and she found all
this and first pointed it out tome that this is what they found
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.
So that's why we wrote thereports as a result.
James Egidio (41:46):
Yeah, so a lot of these Foyed emails are redacted
from what I take too correct.
Dr. Chris Flowers (41:54):
There's some pages that are just black.
As I saw that what they do stillsay it says from the office of
Potos.
It indicates it's White Houseand then it's black.
So they have not shared thetalking points that they
developed.
They did a sort of PowerPointslide deck and those were all
redacted.
They didn't want us to knowwhat they were actually saying
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as a group, because otherwiseit'd be very obvious.
You could actually go.
I would love to make a video ofit.
Here's the slide of the talkingpoints and then picking out all
the talking points from thevarious news shows and things
from all around the world, allsaying exactly the same thing,
which is what tends to happen.
When you know it, this is likethe voice of God.
You have to say this.
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Then it happens on everychannel.
James Egidio (42:41):
It probably has all the financial information as
to what stocks to buy and whatday.
It's probably what it is.
It's got somebody's name in itthat doesn't want to be revealed
.
You know that and I know thatit's crazy.
We're in a really interestingtime in the medical industry, I
think Even in general.
(43:02):
That's going to be veryinteresting to see what happens
here in the near future.
Dr. Chris Flowers (43:07):
It's the worries of transhumanism, the
neural links, all these otherthings that are going on with
artificial intelligence.
Yeah, the fact that they'retalking about using AI in the
discovery of new treatments,which you can guarantee will all
be mRNA based Of course it willSure.
The revolving money machine.
James Egidio (43:29):
Yeah, I did a little research myself on a lot
of the companies that areactually manufacturing the
biotech companies.
Lo and behold, I uncovered that90% of these companies that are
manufacturing these mRNAvaccines are guess where they're
from no other than China.
They're Chinese companies thatare doing business in the United
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States is what they are.
Dr. Chris Flowers (43:54):
That is very unclassed allowed.
It's a bit like buying upChinese nationals, buying up
Chinese entities, buying landaround military installations
yeah, why would you do that?
James Egidio (44:05):
What's really frustrating about that right.
That's the thing too, is italways goes back to the politics
of where you live.
Neither political partiesreally doing anything about it.
To be quite honest with you, Ijust don't think they really
want to do anything about it.
I think they have an interestin it.
All of them do.
They all have to make a lot ofmoney.
Dr. Chris Flowers (44:27):
They go in broke and they come out of
Congress extremely rich and moveinto a lobbying job.
James Egidio (44:34):
Exactly, I think that's what it's all about.
Dr. Chris Flowers (44:38):
May I tell you a quick story about a
medical student I was a mentorfor back in the University of
Nottingham in the United Kingdom.
He went into public health.
He eventually became aprofessor and he used to be on
the daily interviews with BorisJohnson, the Prime Minister, and
(45:00):
the Health Minister, professorJohnson Van Tan, who, as the
public health representative,really should have been managing
the balance of risk versusbenefits when it comes to a
vaccine.
He had all that information andhe decided after two years now
he's now working for a part-timefor Moderna.
(45:21):
He's been given a verylucrative job at Moderna.
James Egidio (45:25):
What's his name?
Dr. Chris Flowers (45:26):
again, he's gone from promoting the vaccine
Jonathan Van Tan.
James Egidio (45:30):
Jonathan Van Tan Fauci is his last name.
No, Tan is his last name.
Yes, I know him.
That's sad, it's really sad.
Dr. Chris Flowers (45:43):
It's sad, but he was a nice guy.
He was one of the Vietnameseboat people families that were
rescued.
They came they're refugees inthe UK.
He'd succeeded at school and hegot a place at med school To
end up being manipulated and noteven doing what I believe is
his job of advancing risk versusbenefits, when he knew all that
(46:07):
information.
We are presuming thateverything that we are seeing
now the FDA, the CDC committees,the MHRA in the UK, the
European Medicines Agency andthe TGA in Australia had all of
this information when they camein their countries to authorize
the use of the vaccine.
(46:27):
Now they could just turn aroundand say actually it was all
hidden from us.
We were just instructed by theFDA, everything's fine, we've
reviewed it for you.
They haven't done that.
I can't understand why theydidn't play the blame game and
move on.
They could escape a lot of theproblems, but they haven't done.
I'm following this up in theUnited Kingdom when I'm over
(46:50):
there with one of the members ofparliament trying to get to the
bottom of this.
But transparency in the UK isvery difficult.
There's going to be a generalelection coming up.
Either party are graduates.
It doesn't matter whetheryou're a Labour or Conservative,
it's the same governmentbasically, just with a few
changes on one side or the other.
(47:12):
It really is like a uniparty,just like we seem to have in the
Congress right now.
James Egidio (47:20):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
This is, I think, all part ofthis so-called great, the great
reset and, like I said, I thinkit's where technology meets.
Biology is what it is andthere's no question about it.
They let you know about it andwe've been informed.
There's enough information outthere by now that this stuff is
(47:41):
dangerous, and I've said thismany times on many episodes of
this podcast, as I personallyknow eight people that died
suddenly from it, and one was 30years old.
I don't know anyone that diedfrom COVID not one person that
died from COVID but I know eightpeople that died from this
vaccine.
Dr. Chris Flowers (47:59):
So that seems to be common practice, but
you're either finding people whoare dropping dead or suddenly
someone who used to have cancergot over it.
Suddenly you've got cancer andthey're terminal Right, or
they've had a minor cancer andsuddenly it's become very
aggressive and again it'schanged type and become really
(48:20):
life threatening and difficultto treat.
And as a cancer specialist,this really bothers me, because
we don't know why this ishappening.
We know the baseline why it'sprobably happening.
We can't even do the basicscience.
We're not allowed to ask thequestions.
There's obvious.
There's this excess deaths arenow occurring.
(48:40):
It's documented everywhereacross countries that have
received the vaccine, but peopledon't want to ask the question
that, oh, it's all locked up.
They all had depression, theyturned to alcohol, that's why
they died.
James Egidio (48:53):
Yeah, we're in a really dark time in the medical
industry.
I know I was in it for a longtime, over most of my life, but
24 years with a practice andwe're in a very dark time in the
medical industry.
And what's really sad about it,too, is you have the doctors,
such as yourself, that are wellintended and want to get the
information out there.
And then, on the other side ofthe spectrum, you have the
(49:16):
doctors that are participatingin this because they don't want
to lose their jobs and they'reintimidated and they're scared
by the upper echelon, the upperlevel management, that are
running the hospitals and theclinics.
So it's as a patient.
You're in the middle of it.
A person who's a patient is inthe middle of all this mess.
What do you do?
Who do you trust?
Where do you go for help?
Dr. Chris Flowers (49:39):
The first thing you do is you question,
you say qui bono, who benefits?
Right.
And if you go to a hospital,they say I'd like you to have
this or I'd like you to havethat sort of treatment or that
test.
Ask questions, Sure, Ask who'sactually benefiting?
Is this for your bottom line,to line your pocket, or is this
something that's actually goingto benefit me If I have this
(50:00):
treatment?
What's my?
What are those potentialadverse effects?
What benefits are we going toget?
When I was working in cancertreatment, one of the things the
tools we used to use to talk topatients about chemotherapy and
radiation therapy and hormonetherapy was a tool that gave you
a risk.
You took all the data from thetumour so it was identified
(50:22):
specifically treatment for thatpatient's tumour not general,
but very specific and so you saw, oh, you've got to, If you have
this, and that you're going tohave a 2% reduction in your risk
of death.
Now wait a minute.
If your risk of reduction, Ifyour risk of death is pretty low
and you're going to reduce itby 2%, why would you take
(50:43):
chemotherapy Right or haveradiation?
So if there was a big benefit,the patients could then make
that determination themselves.
They used to ask what do youthink I should tell myself?
The evidence is that you helpedthem come to that their own
conclusion, but you explained tothem what this actually means
in real terms.
Rather than oh you've, we canreduce your risk of dying by 2%.
(51:07):
You could give you another 5,10 years.
That's not quite how it works.
It's very muchpercentage-driven and it's
really not entirely accurate,even with all the DNA markers
that we use.
So it's tough.
You've got to always balancerisk versus benefits.
Patients need to ask that sortof question.
You need to question yourdoctors, Because I think if more
(51:29):
people did that, maybe doctorswould start to question
themselves again and put thequestioning attitude back inside
of them, Because it's alwaysbeen there, but maybe it's laid
dormant for the last two yearsand we've got to awaken that
interest in questioning again.
James Egidio (51:44):
Yeah, I know, I was just reading recently I
believe it was on Substack anarticle about how these
modern-day med students arebeing trained and they're
putting things like gender.
They're more focused on genderstudies in medical school rather
than diagnosing and treatingand all this politically correct
garbage and it's really sad.
(52:06):
I even did a solo episode onthat.
I did things to look for in adoctor and healthcare provider
and that was one of them.
It's higher a physician that'sover 55 years old, for goodness
sake, because at least thatphysician comes from a
generation of physicians thatwere trained to learn how to
diagnose and treat and not worryabout someone's gender and how
(52:27):
to approach them and theirgender.
Yeah, you're right, you reallyhave to get more than one
opinion from a physician.
I have a guest on the MedicalTruth podcast.
His name is Chris Warke and hispodcast is it's Chris Beat
Cancer and he basically said thesame thing.
He was diagnosed with stagethree colon cancer like 20 years
(52:47):
ago at 24 years old, and he hadthe tumor surgically removed
and he did follow-up rightaround Christmas of that year
when he had the tumor removed,him and his wife went in for
post-op follow-up for treatmentwith chemo and he refused the
chemotherapy.
He and his wife did not likethe way that they were treated.
(53:09):
They were treated like he wastreated like a number and they
walked out of the office and hetold me they were balling their
eyes out.
He says and I just had to makethat decision not to take any
chemotherapy after the surgery.
He says, and I just went on araw diet and a juice diet.
He says, and I've been, he'sbeen cancer-free ever since,
(53:30):
ever when the cancer went inremission and the tumor never
came back.
Dr. Chris Flowers (53:35):
There's a good example of someone who made
a right choice.
Yeah.
James Egidio (53:39):
How many?
Dr. Chris Flowers (53:39):
of us have made bad choices in our lives in
the past few years yeah.
Yeah, I even had a doctor.
I was taking the vaccine in thefirst place.
James Egidio (53:46):
Yeah, I even had a doctor that came on my podcast,
Dr Dominic Brandy out ofPennsylvania.
Same thing he had gottendiagnosed with cancer as well
and he went on a natural rawdiet and his cancer went into
remission.
And here's a doctor.
He's a.
He was, I believe he's aplastic surgeon, but I really
appreciate your time coming onto the Medical Truth podcast.
(54:09):
I really appreciate it.
Dr. Chris Flowers (54:11):
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
James Egidio (54:13):
Absolutely, doctor .
Thank you so much.
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