November 7, 2023 • 49 mins
Dr. Shannon Kroner has a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology, a Master's in Special Education, with a focus in Educational Therapy. She has been working with special needs families in both a private practice and within the classroom since 2001. Her 2013 doctoral dissertation entitled, Childhood Vaccinations: The Development of an Educational Manual, provides a psychological viewpoint of the ways in which parents make decisions regarding vaccinations for their children. She Published her first book Children’s book this year titled I’m Unvaccinated and That’s OK which can be found on Amazon. It is an honor and a blessing to have on the Medical Truth Podcast my Guest Dr. Shannon Kroner
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intro (00:00):
Get ready to hear the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth about theUnited States healthcare system
with your host of the medicaltruth podcast, James Egidio.
James Egidio (00:17):
Hi, I'm James Egidio, your host of the medical
truth podcast.
The podcast that tells thetruth.
The whole truth and nothing butthe truth about the American
healthcare system.
My guest has a doctorate inclinical psychology, a master's
in special education with afocus in educational therapy.
She has been working withspecial needs families in both
the private practice and withinthe classroom since 2001.
(00:41):
Her 2013 doctoral dissertationentitled.
Childhood vaccinations.
The development of aneducational manual provides a
psychological viewpoint of theways in which parents make
decisions regarding vaccinationsfor their children.
She published her first book.
Children's book this year thatis titled I'm vaccinated and
(01:02):
that's okay.
Which can be found on Amazon andeverywhere else on the internet.
This is a must listen to andview podcast episode for all
parents, with, children, it isan honor and a blessing to have
on the medical truth podcast.
My guest, Dr.
Shannon kroner.
Dr.
Croner, welcome to the MedicalTruth Podcast.
(01:24):
Thank you so much for having me.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Just for the listeners andviewers of the Medical Truth
Podcast just a little bit aboutwho you are and what you do and
we'll go from there.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (01:36):
So I let's see, I have my degree in
clinical psychology.
I have a doctorate degree inclinical psychology.
A master's degree in specialeducation with a focus in
educational therapy, and I'm theexecutive director of a
nonprofit organization, which Istarted in 2019.
(01:58):
So that's pre pandemic calledFreedom of Religion, United
Solutions.
The acronym is FOR-US.
And I started that.
Again, before the pandemic andit is a coalition of all these
different faith leaders of manydifferent faiths to protect the
religious freedom of vaccinechoice.
(02:18):
And I am the author of the newchildren's book.
I'm Unvaccinated and That'sOkay.
James Egidio (02:25):
Yeah, it sounds like you were way ahead of the
curve in 2019 prior to all this.
What inspired you and what kindof, what was the inflection
point of, creating yourorganization?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (02:39):
Yeah.
So I I've been in this vaccinefight, this vaccine war for a
really long time.
I started working with kids withspecial needs back in 2001.
And That was the first time Ihad ever heard of what, or seen
vaccine injury, or even startedto understand vaccine injury.
(03:00):
I would, one of my roles, I waswhat's called a floor time
therapist.
So it's like a play therapistwhere I work with really little
kids who are recently diagnosedwith some type of either like a
behavioral disorder or in mostof the time it was a lot of kids
with autism.
And in part of my role was to doan intake, the initial intake
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with the families, and I wouldalways ask, were there any
complications with pregnancy orwith labor has your child been,
meeting certain milestones?
And I would always hear the samething over and over again that,
pregnancy was normal, labor wasfine, and the child had been
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meeting the normal milestones.
And then, Something happenedafter a round of shots where the
child ended up with a reallyhigh fever or started to have
seizures or a number ofdifferent things.
And they were just the never thesame again after that.
And A child who had a few wordsby age two had lost all those
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words by age three.
And a child who used to have getexcited for opening birthday
presents or blowing out thecandles on a birthday cake.
Really didn't know what to doanymore when it came to their
birthday.
And I would, hear these storiesall the time.
Parents showed me numerousbefore and after videos, before
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and after videos, before andafter pictures.
And I was really young at thetime.
I was in my young twenties atthe time.
And I was not a mom yet.
And so I kept hearing about thislike vaccine.
Relationship to disabilitiessuch as autism.
And that's what really sparkedme to look into it.
I had thought for the longesttime, I had actually thought
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that it was more of the CDCschedule because there were kids
who were getting sometimes fiveto seven shots at a time.
And the CDC schedule todayrequires that a child get.
vaccinated on the first day thatthey're born with the hepatitis
B vaccine.
And not only that, but then theyalso get, the vitamin K shot,
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which is full of aluminum andfull of alcohol.
And and so then you combine thatwith a hepatitis B shot, which
also has aluminum.
And so kids are being loadedwith.
Aluminum on day one and then andthen they're, required to get
shots every two months.
And up to the time that theyturn about age 18, there's, it's
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something like 72 differentdoses of, all of these different
vaccines.
And then the COVID shot was justrecently added.
And so I had.
Seen all of that from very earlyon and then I myself actually
ended up having a vaccine injuryin 2009 when it was during swine
flu and I was pregnant with myson and I was 12 weeks pregnant.
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Swine flu was on every media,all news outlets and my doctor
had said you're pregnant.
You don't want to get the flu.
So you need to get the swine flushot and you need to get the
regular flu shot.
And I knew enough about vaccinesto avoid the swine flu shot
because I wasn't familiar withit.
It had just come out.
And so I said no to that, butthen they said, the doctor had
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said to me that, you really needto get the flu shot because the
one we have is preservativefree.
So it's safe.
There's no, toxins in it oranything like that.
And so I thought I guess if it'spreservative free, it must be
safe.
And so I did get the flu shotand I soon after had a horrible
reaction.
I was only 12 weeks pregnant,had a horrible reaction where I
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started to leak amniotic fluid.
I ended up in the ER.
I almost lost my baby.
And it was just a reallyhorrible experience for me.
And that really shook me awaketo vaccine dangers.
And then I'm also, I'm inCalifornia where we have the
strictest vaccine mandate lawsin the nation.
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Not many people realize that wehad our religious exemptions and
personal belief philosophicalexemptions removed from the
state in 2015 for children.
In order to go to school, andthen in 2019, we had all of our
medical exemptions removed fromthe state.
If there's a child who has,let's say, a seizure disorder,
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or has, severe allergies, orautism or something like that,
they are not allowed to opt outof the required vaccines in
order to go to school inCalifornia and not just public
school, but public school,private school, religious.
School Montessori school,whatever it is, these vaccines
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are mandated in order to go toschool.
And really the only option, evenif a child is missing one
vaccine, the only option ishomeschool in California.
And I have been in this fightfor a long time.
I actually have a doctoraldissertation that goes back to
2013.
that's literally about vaccinechoice.
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I, had not known that we weregoing to have our vaccine.
The options removed that choicewas going to be removed from the
state.
So I had written thisdissertation with choice in mind
back in 2013.
And then 2015, we lost thatchoice.
And so that's really likeeverything that led up.
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I knew in 2019, when we lost ourmedical exemptions, I knew that
adult mandates were next.
I did not know how.
But I knew that was coming andthen, lo and behold, six months
later, I had started myorganization in.
September to protect religiousexemptions and to start to build
this coalition of all thesedifferent faith leaders.
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I actually, I work with Pastorsand Priests and Rabbis and the
Emoms and Monks who have alljoined together to protect the
religious freedom of vaccinechoice and, 6 months later, we
are in a full blown pandemic andI knew that this vaccine was
coming for COVID and myorganization just, it blew up at
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that point because all faithleaders, Prior to prior to
COVID, I was like cold callingrandom faith leaders.
Is this something you want toget involved in?
And sometimes people would hangup on me or, people, they would
say vaccines are important.
Don't do this.
Then COVID came into play andchurches shut down.
(09:40):
And then I started to get phonecalls of like, how can I help?
And and so that's that's my verylong history.
James Egidio (09:49):
No, that's a great history.
I have a few questions.
Backing up.
How does the state of Californiajustify making vaccines
mandatory based on, let's say,medical conditions?
Who were the doctors that standup, for this kind of behavior?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (10:07):
So what happened in California was so
we, at one point before 2015,people could get exemptions.
They could get personal beliefexemptions or religious
exemptions or philosophicalexemptions and, then what
happened was when that wasremoved, we, at the time, we had
Governor Brown and when our itwas with a bill called SB 277.
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So when our philosophicalexemptions were removed from the
state, Governor Brown hadpromised that medical exemptions
would stay intact.
And so what happened and I'm 1of these people is what happened
is that a lot of the peoplewhose children had philosophical
exemptions went to theirpediatricians and said, I don't
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want to I don't want tovaccinate still.
Do we have any medical.
And for instance, with me mydoctor, my, our pediatrician had
said I had a severe reaction tothe flu shot when I was pregnant
with my son.
And it actually caused a lot of.
At the time when that happened,I, again, I was only 12 weeks
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pregnant.
And so I lost 95 percent of myamniotic fluid and every single
doctor told me I needed to endthe pregnancy.
And I am a very stubborn womanand said no, and was able to
find my own research on how tocreate amniotic fluid and.
It was something really simple.
It was actually just beinghydrated.
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And so I drank a ton of waterand put myself on bed rest.
And by week 20, my amnioticfluid was back to a hundred
percent.
However, when all of thathappened, my uterus had
collapsed on my growing baby andit dislocated his right knee.
And so he grew inside of me witha hyper extended dislocated And
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so when he was born, he neededlike reconstructive knee surgery
and he's had to get othersurgeries for his leg,
throughout the years.
And so my doctor had said I was.
Had a severe reaction to the flushot.
We don't want to give certainshots.
We don't know what's going tohappen.
So he was able to write me amedical exemption, but the rest
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of the state did the exact samething where they lost their
personal belief or philosophicalexemption.
They went to their pediatriciansand they were able to get a
medical exemption.
And so we had this Senator.
Senator Pan, who's absolutelyhorrible.
And he said that everybody isnow faking these medical
exemptions.
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And he went after all thedoctors who wrote, multiple
medical exemptions.
He used Dr.
Bob Sears as the scapegoat forthe reason that he was Removing
medical exemptions from thestate and because Dr Bob Sears
had been the most vocal of allthe doctors in California to
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protect religious exemptions andto protect medical exemptions
and such.
And so what Senator pan did in2019 with now we had 276 was he
removed all the medicalexemptions.
The only way for a child to geta medical exemption was
literally if they were dying orif they were on chemo and if a
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child, not only that, but if achild had, let's say, had a
severe anaphylactic shock to saythe MMR vaccine, they could get
exempt for that specificvaccine, but we're still
required to get all the otherones.
And and then he also put thelicense of pediatricians on the
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line.
And he said, if you writemedical exemptions there, we
will investigate and there's thepotential for you to lose your
license your medical license andseveral doctors in the state of
California did lose theirmedical license for writing
exemptions.
And and that's really that's howhe was able to justify it.
(14:12):
I think it's all bull, but butthat's.
That's California for you.
James Egidio (14:17):
Yeah.
And that sounds like statemandates, correct?
Yes.
So what about federalprotections under the
constitution and all that?
Was that ever protected?
Was that ever brought
Dr. Shannon Kroner (14:27):
up?
So that it's not protected.
Unfortunately, and that was whatcaused me to create my
organization Freedom of ReligionUnited Solutions, because at the
time it was 2019, PresidentTrump was, in office and he had
just signed an executive orderthat.
(14:49):
I forgot what it was called, butit stated that if a doctor did
not, if a doctor had thereligious beliefs against
abortion, that the doctor wasnot required to participate in
an abortion.
And so I thought and that wasbased on our religious freedom,
our, constitution firstamendment.
And I thought if president Trumphad signed off on that and is
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allowing doctors to opt out of.
If a doctor has strong religiousbeliefs to not perform an
abortion, then the same shouldgo for, across the board with
religious vaccine exemptions.
And so I had started theorganization with the goal in
mind to get some kind of anexecutive order written by
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president Trump to protect.
The religious freedom of vaccinechoice, and it's the craziest
story, but it got really closeto happening.
I was able to get to I was ableto have a meeting with HHS.
And with the director of thecivil rights department, who he
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was the one who had theexecutive order on that other,
the other one that I was justreferring to regarding
abortions.
I was able to get a meeting withhim and bring in all these
different faith leaders toexplain why vaccine why
religious exemptions need to beprotected.
And so we had a meeting.
It was like the first, I want tosay it was the first week of
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March 2020 and so COVID was juststarting, like we're just now
hearing about it.
I guess we had just startedhearing about it like in
February and and now it was likethe first week of March and I
met with this executivedirector.
I brought in several, there waspastors, there was a priest,
there was rabbis, there was aBishop.
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We had all this round tablemeeting and I had his attention
at HHS.
He was completely on board.
And literally the lockdownshappened the next day, I had to
get on a plane, rush home andall the work that I had done for
that was completely pushed asidebecause suddenly we're in this
(17:05):
like crisis pandemic and then,and that was it, that was the,
that was where that ended andthen, he was not president soon
after.
And it was really interestingbecause I knew that if Biden
were to become president, I knewthat we were going to have the
mandates of the COVID vaccine.
And I had actually met with Ihad met Tiffany Trump a month
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before the election.
And I spoke to her and I said,and he don't president Trump was
already.
Pushing for warp speed.
And I had met Tiffany Trump andI had said to her like, listen,
you need to really speak withyour dad about, making it, I
know he wants warp speed, butyou've got to, let him know that
people are not going to want,there are many people are not
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going to want this vaccine.
He needs to start talking about,what's he going to do?
Is he going to be mandatingthem?
Is there, or is he going tostand by?
Religious freedom, vaccinechoice.
And she had said to me, myfather would never mandate the
vaccine.
it Will not happen.
As long as he's president, thevaccines will not be mandated.
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And I said to her, I was like,I'm very fearful because I know
That Biden will mandate thesevaccines.
And I even laid out the exactplan.
I said, he's going to bemandating it in order for people
to, keep their jobs and stufflike that.
I just, I already knew the planhad Biden become president.
And so she said, she would speakwith her dad that he really
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needs to send the message thathe would never mandate the
vaccine.
It was really amazing.
It was like the following day hedid president Trump did an
interview where he specificallysaid, I will not be mandating
these vaccines.
And people believe, there aresome people who don't want to
receive the vaccine.
There are some people who don'twant to get it.
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And, he's for vaccine choice.
But we didn't, he didn't stay inoffice and we ended up with
Biden who, mandated the vaccinefor everyone.
Or they couldn't pay the billsis really what it was, what it
came down to.
There were I got very involvedwith our military because there
were service members, servicemenand women who had literally
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signed up to protect ourcountry, put their lives on the
line to protect America.
And they had served in ourmilitary for 19 years and we're
coming up to the eight, the timeof retirement.
And they were literally like,get the vaccine or get out.
And if you choose to get out,you get no pension, none of the
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benefits that come with havingserved our country.
And I got very involved with themilitary.
We had many meetings up inWashington DC with many
different members of Congressand Senate.
To fight these vaccine mandatesfor our military and I'm happy
to say that they've all finallybeen dropped, but a lot of
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people have now been forced toget the covid shot and they're
now suffering.
James Egidio (20:08):
Yeah, going back to 15 just to back up a little
bit.
And I think it was 15 you saidis when you were becoming more
cognizant of the fact that thesechildren were being harmed with
the vaccines, these childhoodvaccines.
Correct.
I
Dr. Shannon Kroner (20:22):
had started to see it back in 2001, 2001 was
when I started to see, I startto hear stories directly from
parents and they were tellingme, they were showing me videos
before and after videos.
This was, I was a floor timetherapist and then I was a
behavior therapist and then Ibecame an educational therapist.
So really in the early 2000s iswhen I started to wake up to
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vaccines.
Yeah.
James Egidio (20:47):
Were there any specific vaccines that your
antennas got up, stood up andyou said whoa, what's going on
here with this particularvaccine?
Was there any one in particularthat you heard about
Dr. Shannon Kroner (20:55):
it was so many, I had heard so many
different stories.
Sometimes it was the MMR.
Sometimes it was the D tap.
Sometimes it was, sometimesparents didn't know because the
child had gotten like 345 atonce.
Thanks.
And they couldn't just likedecipher which vaccine it was,
or maybe it was all of them.
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There's literally never been asingle study that looks at how
all the vaccines work together.
In combination, there's not asingle study out there.
So if a child is getting 3, 5 or7 shots at 1 time, there's not a
single study out there to saythat's safe.
And sometimes parents justdidn't know and really they.
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They couldn't know unless theywere separating the shots, which
a lot of people did do is theywould do one or two at a time.
And but then in 2015, when thephilosophical personal belief
exemptions were taken away.
Parents were expected to catchup their Children in order to
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send them to school.
And so then they were like, justpiling vaccines on so that a
child could continue to stay in
James Egidio (22:11):
school.
Yeah, I know.
I remember when my stepsonimmigrated here from Italy for 4
years ago, a year before he cameand I, when he had to go to.
Naples for his vaccinations to,to come immigrate to the United
States.
And I remember my wife at thattime, she was my fiance was
telling me he had to get sevenvaccines in one day.
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Seven.
Yeah, it's horrible.
It's horrible.
Yeah, it's a deadly cocktail.
So you wrote this dissertation,childhood vaccinations, the
development of an educationalmanual, correct?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (22:46):
Yeah.
So that was in 2013 and I lookedat, and this was again, This was
prior to vaccine choice beingremoved from California.
So in my mind, when I wrote mydissertation, we had the option
to, get one vaccine, one shot ata time, no shots at all.
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There were different options,and so that's really what I
based my work on was all thedifferent types of.
Schedule vaccine schedules thatare out there and why a parent
may choose to do one over theother or not vaccinated at all.
And and I was looking at itthrough the psychological lens.
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Of how, of his.
Yeah.
James Egidio (23:32):
And then.
We lost all of that choice.
Yeah.
Then of course, gruesome Newsometook over who I feel is going to
end up running for president.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (23:41):
I, I really hope not.
I hope that doesn't happen.
Yeah.
The only thing, I made a, I makea joke about it, that the only
positive with Newsome becomingpresident is that California
doesn't have him anymore, but
James Egidio (23:56):
yeah he'll make the entire United States.
California.
So we'll all live in California.
It
Dr. Shannon Kroner (24:01):
would be a horrible option as a president.
That's, it's very scary.
And I'm worried that's what'shappening because he just flew,
he flew to Israel and he justflew to China and it's like, why
is he doing these things thatare like presidential?
James Egidio (24:17):
No, he's gonna he's gonna run.
There's no question about it.
I can almost guarantee that Ican't guarantee anything But
that's one thing I tell mysister that and she's I don't
want to hear it I don't want tohear it.
I'm like, okay but I want toshare a video of something
that's really interestingbecause I know you're the things
one of the things you primarilyfocus on are childhood vaccines
and it's really interesting Infact, I have 2 videos I want to
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share, but 1 I want to sharewith you that just popped up
recently that I, at least infront of me where they're luring
kids and easing the anxiety.
Of vaccines and especially thecovid vaccine with with virtual
reality and so that they canease their pain.
I'm gonna just go ahead and playthat right now.
Video (25:00):
First shot of the covid 19 vaccine.
Six year old Laya Stratsa was alittle apprehensive.
What are you nervous about?
Because it was scared becauselike it hurts a little bit for
me Mhm.
A lot of kids feel nervous atvaccination centers like this.
So staff here are doing whatthey can to help ease their
nerves with therapy dogs,balloons, an inflatable slide,
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and even virtual reality.
On that headset is a therapeuticvideo game.
A tool to distract kids likeLea.
I see a big ball.
And get their minds off of thatmoment that can be scary for
some.
(25:47):
Good job.
You're done.
When the kid puts it on, then welaunch the experience.
And then they just grab theremote.
You'll see what, exactly whatthe kid is seeing.
Dr.
Jean Simon Fortin is an ERdoctor and head of the start up
company behind the device firstintended for more painful
procedures for patients withburns or fractures.
The shot is usually not a bigpain, it's only a second, but
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the fear of it is usually what'sthe problem.
So they get distracted, theystart to play, and that's how it
works.
That's actually how it is amedical treatment, where
distraction really takes theedge off.
The company is licensed byHealth Canada.
The device has been used inpilot studies for other
uncomfortable procedures at St.
Justine Hospital in Montreal.
And research has showndistraction can be a powerful
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tool to help kids through theanxiety of a needle.
Oh my God, it's as I said,another world.
So they totally forgot thevaccine.
They are having two doses, sothey have to come back.
So if they are traumatized atthe first time, they may not
want to come back
James Egidio (26:45):
psychopaths.
So
Video (26:47):
that's why this makes me brave.
She loved it.
I think she's, she's going to belooking forward to her second
dose.
So I'm glad.
And staff here say that's animportant feeling to leave with.
Allison Northcott, CBC News,LaValle.
James Egidio (27:04):
These are the, look at the, these psychopaths.
I just have
Dr. Shannon Kroner (27:06):
no words.
That is, it just makes me likeso sick to watch that.
And it's and I get it.
I understand for other medicalprocedures, if a child is in the
hospital they had mentionedsomething about burn victims and
things like that.
Distraction is always great, butin order to coerce a child so
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that they look forward to thebooster my gosh, it's just
sickening
James Egidio (27:32):
to me.
It is, and I had some othervideo footage of another one
like that, but it was, I guessthey were taking a lot of the
footage from Brazil.
And it showed like a five yearold little boy saying, I'm
scared.
I'm scared.
He's outside of the the nursesstation.
And, and they're holding the kiddown and they're talking about
using the virtual reality.
But this is where we're at withthis whole thing.
(27:54):
And it's a very sick and twistedgame.
And of course, one of the otherplayers in that, as and I'll
play the video for you on that.
I'm sure you're very familiarwith this.
I don't even want to call him agentleman.
Video (28:07):
of the country where vaccines aren't happening
because of those You know, theanti vaxxers or whatever you
want to call them who have madesignificant headway in trying to
convince parents they shouldn'tvaccinate children.
I was just looking at new datatoday from Orange County,
California, with more than a fewschools showing between 40 and
60 percent children notvaccinated.
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You could say this is a, we're avictim of success.
In the countries where you havemeasles all the time, nobody
gets confused about this.
Do you get mad about it?
I get more mad about the deathswe're not avoiding.
I spend, my time on thecountries where you still have,
in the case of measles, over300, 000 kids dying a year.
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In the case of diarrhealdiseases, over a million a year.
There's six million kids a yearstill dying.
Why aren't we getting vaccinesout in Africa?
For diarrhea, for respiratorydisease.
Why don't we have a vaccine formalaria?
Those are the things that I Ipush forward.
I wouldn't say I get angry, butI'm really impatient that we're
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not moving as fast as I'd like.
You can catch the full interviewthis
James Egidio (29:19):
weekend.
He doesn't get angry, but hegets impatient.
I can't
Dr. Shannon Kroner (29:23):
stand him.
First of all, I cannot standthat man.
He disgusts me and Yeah.
He has done so much damage.
In the world with first of all,any new polio that we're seeing
that's in the news is that it'sliterally a vaccine strain.
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So that's something to, makenote of is that if anybody's
getting polio right now, it'sliterally coming from the
vaccine as it's like a, ashedding by product.
And so there's, That same with,nobody, first of all, that's
another thing is, in America,thankfully, in the Western
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world, we have, very good healthcare.
We have sanitation, we have,people if people need if someone
were to get the measles thereare very easy ways to treat it.
And, nobody is dying frommeasles and not only that, but
like back in the day, I've hadthis conversation with my mom is
(30:27):
that, she had measles, everybodygot measles with her generation.
It was not a big deal in mygeneration.
Everyone got chicken pox.
There were chickenpox parties.
Sure.
I remember, it was like justsomething that kids got.
It was uncomfortable.
I hated it.
I remember it.
It was not fun, but it's notworth, I would take that over
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injecting myself with a bunch oftoxins that could do further
damage down the road.
And a lot of the things thatkids are being vaccinated for
are just these really treatable.
They're treatable.
And now, not only that, but nowthey've just added the RSV shot,
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which is not even a truevaccine, but they've added it to
the schedule.
It is a monoclonal antibodyshot.
That's never been done forchildren before.
They're giving it to newborns.
And it's a, it's to prevent RSVand.
And because it's a monoclonalantibody and not a true vaccine,
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side effects cannot be reportedon this shot to VAERS.
So the information is going tobe completely skewed if someone
wants to go onto VAERS and lookat the side effects that people
are encountering with this RSVshot because it is a monoclonal
antibody.
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Then they've just added forpregnant women The, it's an RSV
shot for pregnant women to getand that one is from, I want to
say it's from Pfizer, butAstra's no, wait
GlaxoSmithKline, they hadcreated the exact same shot and
(32:19):
they had to scratch everythingbecause.
Too many pregnant women weremiscarrying or delivering very
early on.
They were having preterm laborand and kids were, babies were
being born like super early.
And so they completely threw outthat shot.
(32:40):
But then Pfizer.
Decided to create the exact sameshot, RSV shot for pregnant
women and and now it's beingpromoted and the FDA, they
originally wanted the shot to beapproved for second and third
trimester.
And the FDA said no because ofall these preterm births and
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miscarriages that werehappening.
So the FDA.
limited the shot to only thirdtrimester because the child will
have more of a chance ofsurvival if it's a preterm
labor, there's more of a chanceof survival if the baby is born
early in the third trimester.
But that, these are shots thathave already been gotten the FDA
(33:26):
approval.
They're being given out.
Today they're being pushed onpregnant women along with the
flu shot, the COVID shot, allthe everything, so now, women
are creating women who get allthese vaccines while they're
pregnant are literally creatinga toxic environment.
(33:48):
Inside of their themselves wherethis newborn baby, this baby is
being grown, and they're, theyare already setting the stage
for problems.
For the child's health
James Egidio (34:03):
yeah, I know that's the thing that gets to
me.
The most is, we heard for goshwent back.
Like you said, in February,March of 2020, when covid broke
or supposedly the pandemic andthey kept parroting this
statistic that we all had a 98.
7 percent chance of survival,right?
(34:26):
If we caught the covid virus.
And got sick, right?
So that means that what is thatless than 1 percent or 2 percent
of the people who get it aregoing to die and they have
comorbidities.
I'm sure when they do have it.
(34:47):
There's just a lot ofinconsistencies to say the
least.
And I don't know anyone thatdied from covid.
Okay.
I know people like that got it.
Family members.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (34:57):
I had Covid.
Yeah.
I've had it a couple timesactually.
And the first time was worsethan the second time, it la the
first time lasted a week and thesecond time lasted a few days.
And...
It sucks for the time, but sure,
James Egidio (35:12):
sure.
But I, and I know eight people,eight that died suddenly from
the vaccine.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (35:19):
I unfortunately know several
people, actually my OBGYN whodelivered both my children.
He died suddenly and he was inhis fifties.
I want to say he was maybe like51, 52 and he was the epitome of
good health.
Like he worked out all the time.
Was not overweight in any way.
(35:40):
He's like super healthy guy.
And he got, because he was withthe Cedars Sinai hospital, it
was mandated through thehospital.
The boosters were mandated.
And so he got the vaccine andit's, what's crazy to me.
What I guess what upsets me themost is that very early on, I
(36:03):
gave him the information.
About how these vaccines aredangerous for pregnant women and
or not even pregnant women, butwomen who want to conceive, I
gave him all the data very earlyon.
And he had said to me, he'sokay, I'll look at it and I'll
see.
And then he made a joke about itand was just like.
(36:25):
You're, are you scared if you'rescared of shedding, are you
scared for me to touch you?
And I was like, honestly, likeI, cause he had already gotten
so many COVID shots and I gavehim all that data and then he
got the first two shots and thenhe got two boosters and soon
(36:48):
after the second booster.
He was riding his bike and had aheart attack and died.
How old was he?
He was, I think he was like 51,52.
Young guy, very healthy.
And and I know many people whoeither ended up in the hospital
or they died.
My own, my cousin, he My cousindid not want to get vaccinated.
(37:11):
He put it off for as long as hepossibly could.
I told him I would help him witha religious exemption, but he
did not want to make waves atwork because he had a new job.
And I think it was only with hisjob for the, for a year.
And so he didn't want to be thatguy who causes, problems with
within the company.
(37:32):
And so he put it off for as longas possible until they.
Demanded that he get vaccinatedand he so he decided to get the
Johnson and Johnson one becauseit was only one shot he got it
and.
Within a couple days he was inthe hospital with blood clots in
his legs and his lungs and he henow has to stay on blood
(37:57):
thinning medication for the restof his life.
He's a young guy.
He's in his 30s.
And that's what I, that it'shorrible what happened to him.
And he literally almost died.
He could have died.
And, we're hearing aboutcelebrities all the time,
celebrities, athletes, youngathletes, child, like children,
(38:17):
athletes who are literallyhaving heart attacks on the
field or while playingbasketball celebrity athletes
suddenly having heart attacksand just falling over on the
field.
There's.
Videos of news anchors who arejust collapsing on film and, so
many celebrities are dying.
James Egidio (38:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Matthew Perry, just what?
Three days ago.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (38:43):
And with Matthew Perry, a lot of people
are saying that it's because ofthe drugs that he had taken.
And I would like to say that.
Yes, he had addiction problemsin the past, he had gotten
clean, but obviously drugaddiction really messes up that
your insides but he had goneclean and he had also had some
(39:04):
like stomach issues and stomachsurgeries and stuff, but he was
doing really well.
However, he was fully vaccinatedfor COVID.
Not only that, but he waspromoting the vaccine and he was
like offering.
a shirt that said, could I beany more vaccinated?
And what we're seeing with theCOVID vaccine is that even, and
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it's not even a vaccine.
I think it's a bioweapon, butwhat we're seeing with this shot
the COVID shot is that whethersomebody has.
Either cancer or cancer that isin remission or some other kind
of a, let's say they have anautoimmune disorder or some
other kind of issue, whether itbe, prior drug use or something,
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this shot, this COVID shot, itis triggering.
It is bringing to the surface,whatever dormant.
Issues or things that peoplehave had under control, it is
bringing it out and making it somuch worse and we're seeing
these like turbo cancers inpeople who, had their cancer was
(40:13):
in remission for years.
Suddenly they get the covid shotand suddenly.
They've got stage four a monthlater, right?
James Egidio (40:22):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It is.
Yeah.
I interviewed Dr.
William Makis.
He's a Canadian radioradiological oncologist and he's
on substack.
He's a diligent substacker andhe reports sudden deaths
amongst, high profile.
And just normal, regular people,but a lot of people airline
pilots, nurses, athletescelebrities, and then I just
(40:45):
interviewed for the 2nd time.
Dr.
David Rassnick.
He's a biologist.
His field is cancer.
We talked about that.
We discussed turbo cancers withthis bioweapon.
It's just horrible.
And, I tell people and I parrotthis all the time on a lot of
episodes because it was sopoliticized and it created a lot
(41:07):
of division.
And that division, of course, isthe tool of the enemy is that
take the politics out of it,take the politics out of all
this, because you mentioned, ofcourse Joe Biden, and you
mentioned president Trump Trump,president Trump, with the
operation warp speed, it keptpushing the vaccine and saying,
(41:28):
you got to get your vaccination.
You got to get your vaccination.
And then of course Brandon, hekept pushing it for a long time
saying, you got to, mandates,squint in the camera and say,
you got to get your mandatemandated vaccine amongst all the
other poison that he pushes.
But take the politics out.
We have a God given right.
To choose what we want to dowith our body.
(41:48):
And now that's where when youtalk about my body by my choice
that applies the vaccines andvaccines only and all this other
stuff that these people want topush on you.
Like I said, we have a God givenright to refuse that.
And we have a God given immunesystem to fight these things.
So we don't need to listen tothese people.
And you have to push back andfight against this kind of
(42:08):
stuff.
If it means, fighting for yourrights to do that, you got to do
it.
And people like you who are verycourageous to come forward and
do this.
I just thank you so much.
Thank you so much for that.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (42:20):
Thank you.
That's actually that's literallythe reason why I wrote this
children's book.
Is that, we, kids need theinformation because this battle
is now unfortunately with themand they are being, these
children are being coerced,they're being bullied, they're
(42:41):
being made to feel.
Inadequate by their teachers, bytheir peers, by family members.
I can't tell you how manystories I heard of like
grandparents saying, you can'tcome over because I don't want
to die because of the children,and and families and children
(43:01):
being not allowed toThanksgiving dinners and
Christmas dinners and familygatherings and things like that.
That's why I wrote this book.
I'm unvaccinated and that's okaybecause, children now need to
know the truth and they need tohave the information so that,
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and it's unfortunate.
I wish that wasn't the case thatchildren had to fight these
battles, but they need to havethe information so that when
they are bullied.
Into, being, if they're bulliedto get vaccinated or they're
bullied because they'reunvaccinated, kids need to know
the facts and my book talksabout, it talks about the
(43:41):
overwhelming vaccine schedule.
It talks about how it goes into.
What vaccine injury looks likeand what vaccine injury is.
It talks about how there are notwo kids that are the same,
they're not this.
So one of the things that's aproblem is that the vaccine
program is a one size fits allprogram.
(44:03):
And so the book talks about howthe main character, he says none
of my friends are, we're all notthe same size.
We're not the same height or thesame weight.
And we all have.
Genetic differences.
How come none of that isconsidered?
Why the why are vaccines a onesize fits all thing?
Because, and that is the case isthat a child who's required to
(44:26):
get, let's say, the hepatitis B.
Vaccine at day one, right?
We're taking like a seven poundbaby and they're requiring that,
that's what is suggested by theCDC is that child get a
hepatitis B shot.
If that parent chooses not toget the hepatitis.
The vaccine for the child on dayone in California, it is
(44:49):
required in order to go toseventh grade.
So a lot of parents will thenget their seventh grader who is
now possibly a hundred poundsmore than the one day old baby.
That exact same shot, it's,there's no difference between
(45:10):
the hepatitis B vaccine that'sgiven on day one and the
hepatitis B vaccine that's givento the seventh grader.
And and so my book really talksabout what are the different
reasons why a parent.
May choose not to vaccinate andthe book was really, it was
really meant for both parent andchild to sit down together and
(45:34):
allow a parent to answer anyquestions that a child may have.
There's a really great glossarythat goes into, in a very.
easy to read and easy tounderstand way glossary that
covers like why certainingredients are in vaccines.
Why is there cow serum and whatis formaldehyde and why are
(45:55):
there monkey cells?
What is autism?
What is the toxin?
And and then I also One of myfavorite parts about the book is
that I put together a resourcelist on the last page of the
book and I've made it reallyeasy for readers to Access that
resource list because there's aQR code on the last page That
(46:18):
will just take everybody to likethe live links of you know It's
some of my favorite books, someof my favorite websites how to
report a vaccine injury, whereto go to report a vaccine injury
and and things like that.
Yeah,
James Egidio (46:34):
it looks like you did you write this around a
character on the cover there.
I see a little character of alittle boy there.
Is that is either like the maincharacter for the
Dr. Shannon Kroner (46:45):
book or main character?
His name is Nicholas Novaxx.
Okay.
And I like that.
It's from his perspective on, hetalks about how he is
unvaccinated and his, the reasonwhy he's unvaccinated is because
his older sibling, Is vaccineinjured and and so he talks
(47:06):
about his older siblings,vaccine injury and all the
different reasons why hisparents have chosen.
not to vaccinate him.
And it talks about whatliability is and how, there's no
liability for any vaccine.
And and it's a really cute,story and the illustrations are
(47:27):
really beautiful and it's veryeasy to read.
And it actually, I have it righthere.
It recently received a mom'schoice award.
So it got the gold sticker forthe mom's choice award.
And It's, I've had a lot ofreally great celebrity support,
which is nice.
And on my website,drshannonkroner.
(47:48):
com, people can see all thedifferent.
Celebrities who I've given thebook to and who are supporting
the book.
And there's people like RobSchneider and Isai Morales.
And I just, my most recent, themost recent person I gave my
book to was actually PresidentTrump.
And he held it up at an eventand so that was really neat.
(48:10):
And And yeah, so there's just alot of really good support
behind this book.
And what's really amazing, sopeople can actually buy it
directly from me atdrshannonkroner.
com and I will sign it and sendit out.
However, if people are notinterested in having an
autograph copy.
It's sold everywhere.
(48:30):
It's being sold everywhere.
So it's on Amazon and it's onBarnes and Noble, but the most
surprising place where it isactually at Target.
Target is selling the book.
Oh, good.
So yeah, it, that means it's.
Hitting the mainstream, which iswonderful.
Yeah.
James Egidio (48:45):
Good.
Yeah, and I'm actually postingthe website right underneath
there, DrShannonKroner.com.
kronner.com,DrShannonKroner.com.
Yeah.
And so I'll also post it on thewebsite a Medical Truth podcast
as well.
So absolutely.
Thank you so much.
You so much.
I really appreciate you joiningme for this episode of the
(49:06):
Medical Truth Podcast, Dr.
Kroner.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (49:08):
Thank you so much.
This is a really greatconversation to have.
James Egidio (49:11):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Outro (49:14):
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James Egidio (00:17):
Hi, I'm James Egidio, your host of the medical
truth podcast.
The podcast that tells thetruth.
The whole truth and nothing butthe truth about the American
healthcare system.
My guest has a doctorate inclinical psychology, a master's
in special education with afocus in educational therapy.
She has been working withspecial needs families in both
the private practice and withinthe classroom since 2001.
(00:41):
Her 2013 doctoral dissertationentitled.
Childhood vaccinations.
The development of aneducational manual provides a
psychological viewpoint of theways in which parents make
decisions regarding vaccinationsfor their children.
She published her first book.
Children's book this year thatis titled I'm vaccinated and
(01:02):
that's okay.
Which can be found on Amazon andeverywhere else on the internet.
This is a must listen to andview podcast episode for all
parents, with, children, it isan honor and a blessing to have
on the medical truth podcast.
My guest, Dr.
Shannon kroner.
Dr.
Croner, welcome to the MedicalTruth Podcast.
(01:24):
Thank you so much for having me.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Just for the listeners andviewers of the Medical Truth
Podcast just a little bit aboutwho you are and what you do and
we'll go from there.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (01:36):
So I let's see, I have my degree in
clinical psychology.
I have a doctorate degree inclinical psychology.
A master's degree in specialeducation with a focus in
educational therapy, and I'm theexecutive director of a
nonprofit organization, which Istarted in 2019.
(01:58):
So that's pre pandemic calledFreedom of Religion, United
Solutions.
The acronym is FOR-US.
And I started that.
Again, before the pandemic andit is a coalition of all these
different faith leaders of manydifferent faiths to protect the
religious freedom of vaccinechoice.
(02:18):
And I am the author of the newchildren's book.
I'm Unvaccinated and That'sOkay.
James Egidio (02:25):
Yeah, it sounds like you were way ahead of the
curve in 2019 prior to all this.
What inspired you and what kindof, what was the inflection
point of, creating yourorganization?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (02:39):
Yeah.
So I I've been in this vaccinefight, this vaccine war for a
really long time.
I started working with kids withspecial needs back in 2001.
And That was the first time Ihad ever heard of what, or seen
vaccine injury, or even startedto understand vaccine injury.
(03:00):
I would, one of my roles, I waswhat's called a floor time
therapist.
So it's like a play therapistwhere I work with really little
kids who are recently diagnosedwith some type of either like a
behavioral disorder or in mostof the time it was a lot of kids
with autism.
And in part of my role was to doan intake, the initial intake
(03:22):
with the families, and I wouldalways ask, were there any
complications with pregnancy orwith labor has your child been,
meeting certain milestones?
And I would always hear the samething over and over again that,
pregnancy was normal, labor wasfine, and the child had been
(03:43):
meeting the normal milestones.
And then, Something happenedafter a round of shots where the
child ended up with a reallyhigh fever or started to have
seizures or a number ofdifferent things.
And they were just the never thesame again after that.
And A child who had a few wordsby age two had lost all those
(04:09):
words by age three.
And a child who used to have getexcited for opening birthday
presents or blowing out thecandles on a birthday cake.
Really didn't know what to doanymore when it came to their
birthday.
And I would, hear these storiesall the time.
Parents showed me numerousbefore and after videos, before
(04:31):
and after videos, before andafter pictures.
And I was really young at thetime.
I was in my young twenties atthe time.
And I was not a mom yet.
And so I kept hearing about thislike vaccine.
Relationship to disabilitiessuch as autism.
And that's what really sparkedme to look into it.
I had thought for the longesttime, I had actually thought
(04:53):
that it was more of the CDCschedule because there were kids
who were getting sometimes fiveto seven shots at a time.
And the CDC schedule todayrequires that a child get.
vaccinated on the first day thatthey're born with the hepatitis
B vaccine.
And not only that, but then theyalso get, the vitamin K shot,
(05:14):
which is full of aluminum andfull of alcohol.
And and so then you combine thatwith a hepatitis B shot, which
also has aluminum.
And so kids are being loadedwith.
Aluminum on day one and then andthen they're, required to get
shots every two months.
And up to the time that theyturn about age 18, there's, it's
(05:36):
something like 72 differentdoses of, all of these different
vaccines.
And then the COVID shot was justrecently added.
And so I had.
Seen all of that from very earlyon and then I myself actually
ended up having a vaccine injuryin 2009 when it was during swine
flu and I was pregnant with myson and I was 12 weeks pregnant.
(06:03):
Swine flu was on every media,all news outlets and my doctor
had said you're pregnant.
You don't want to get the flu.
So you need to get the swine flushot and you need to get the
regular flu shot.
And I knew enough about vaccinesto avoid the swine flu shot
because I wasn't familiar withit.
It had just come out.
And so I said no to that, butthen they said, the doctor had
(06:26):
said to me that, you really needto get the flu shot because the
one we have is preservativefree.
So it's safe.
There's no, toxins in it oranything like that.
And so I thought I guess if it'spreservative free, it must be
safe.
And so I did get the flu shotand I soon after had a horrible
reaction.
I was only 12 weeks pregnant,had a horrible reaction where I
(06:48):
started to leak amniotic fluid.
I ended up in the ER.
I almost lost my baby.
And it was just a reallyhorrible experience for me.
And that really shook me awaketo vaccine dangers.
And then I'm also, I'm inCalifornia where we have the
strictest vaccine mandate lawsin the nation.
(07:08):
Not many people realize that wehad our religious exemptions and
personal belief philosophicalexemptions removed from the
state in 2015 for children.
In order to go to school, andthen in 2019, we had all of our
medical exemptions removed fromthe state.
If there's a child who has,let's say, a seizure disorder,
(07:31):
or has, severe allergies, orautism or something like that,
they are not allowed to opt outof the required vaccines in
order to go to school inCalifornia and not just public
school, but public school,private school, religious.
School Montessori school,whatever it is, these vaccines
(07:53):
are mandated in order to go toschool.
And really the only option, evenif a child is missing one
vaccine, the only option ishomeschool in California.
And I have been in this fightfor a long time.
I actually have a doctoraldissertation that goes back to
2013.
that's literally about vaccinechoice.
(08:13):
I, had not known that we weregoing to have our vaccine.
The options removed that choicewas going to be removed from the
state.
So I had written thisdissertation with choice in mind
back in 2013.
And then 2015, we lost thatchoice.
And so that's really likeeverything that led up.
(08:35):
I knew in 2019, when we lost ourmedical exemptions, I knew that
adult mandates were next.
I did not know how.
But I knew that was coming andthen, lo and behold, six months
later, I had started myorganization in.
September to protect religiousexemptions and to start to build
this coalition of all thesedifferent faith leaders.
(08:56):
I actually, I work with Pastorsand Priests and Rabbis and the
Emoms and Monks who have alljoined together to protect the
religious freedom of vaccinechoice and, 6 months later, we
are in a full blown pandemic andI knew that this vaccine was
coming for COVID and myorganization just, it blew up at
(09:20):
that point because all faithleaders, Prior to prior to
COVID, I was like cold callingrandom faith leaders.
Is this something you want toget involved in?
And sometimes people would hangup on me or, people, they would
say vaccines are important.
Don't do this.
Then COVID came into play andchurches shut down.
(09:40):
And then I started to get phonecalls of like, how can I help?
And and so that's that's my verylong history.
James Egidio (09:49):
No, that's a great history.
I have a few questions.
Backing up.
How does the state of Californiajustify making vaccines
mandatory based on, let's say,medical conditions?
Who were the doctors that standup, for this kind of behavior?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (10:07):
So what happened in California was so
we, at one point before 2015,people could get exemptions.
They could get personal beliefexemptions or religious
exemptions or philosophicalexemptions and, then what
happened was when that wasremoved, we, at the time, we had
Governor Brown and when our itwas with a bill called SB 277.
(10:31):
So when our philosophicalexemptions were removed from the
state, Governor Brown hadpromised that medical exemptions
would stay intact.
And so what happened and I'm 1of these people is what happened
is that a lot of the peoplewhose children had philosophical
exemptions went to theirpediatricians and said, I don't
(10:53):
want to I don't want tovaccinate still.
Do we have any medical.
And for instance, with me mydoctor, my, our pediatrician had
said I had a severe reaction tothe flu shot when I was pregnant
with my son.
And it actually caused a lot of.
At the time when that happened,I, again, I was only 12 weeks
(11:15):
pregnant.
And so I lost 95 percent of myamniotic fluid and every single
doctor told me I needed to endthe pregnancy.
And I am a very stubborn womanand said no, and was able to
find my own research on how tocreate amniotic fluid and.
It was something really simple.
It was actually just beinghydrated.
(11:37):
And so I drank a ton of waterand put myself on bed rest.
And by week 20, my amnioticfluid was back to a hundred
percent.
However, when all of thathappened, my uterus had
collapsed on my growing baby andit dislocated his right knee.
And so he grew inside of me witha hyper extended dislocated And
(12:02):
so when he was born, he neededlike reconstructive knee surgery
and he's had to get othersurgeries for his leg,
throughout the years.
And so my doctor had said I was.
Had a severe reaction to the flushot.
We don't want to give certainshots.
We don't know what's going tohappen.
So he was able to write me amedical exemption, but the rest
(12:23):
of the state did the exact samething where they lost their
personal belief or philosophicalexemption.
They went to their pediatriciansand they were able to get a
medical exemption.
And so we had this Senator.
Senator Pan, who's absolutelyhorrible.
And he said that everybody isnow faking these medical
exemptions.
(12:43):
And he went after all thedoctors who wrote, multiple
medical exemptions.
He used Dr.
Bob Sears as the scapegoat forthe reason that he was Removing
medical exemptions from thestate and because Dr Bob Sears
had been the most vocal of allthe doctors in California to
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protect religious exemptions andto protect medical exemptions
and such.
And so what Senator pan did in2019 with now we had 276 was he
removed all the medicalexemptions.
The only way for a child to geta medical exemption was
literally if they were dying orif they were on chemo and if a
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child, not only that, but if achild had, let's say, had a
severe anaphylactic shock to saythe MMR vaccine, they could get
exempt for that specificvaccine, but we're still
required to get all the otherones.
And and then he also put thelicense of pediatricians on the
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line.
And he said, if you writemedical exemptions there, we
will investigate and there's thepotential for you to lose your
license your medical license andseveral doctors in the state of
California did lose theirmedical license for writing
exemptions.
And and that's really that's howhe was able to justify it.
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I think it's all bull, but butthat's.
That's California for you.
James Egidio (14:17):
Yeah.
And that sounds like statemandates, correct?
Yes.
So what about federalprotections under the
constitution and all that?
Was that ever protected?
Was that ever brought
Dr. Shannon Kroner (14:27):
up?
So that it's not protected.
Unfortunately, and that was whatcaused me to create my
organization Freedom of ReligionUnited Solutions, because at the
time it was 2019, PresidentTrump was, in office and he had
just signed an executive orderthat.
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I forgot what it was called, butit stated that if a doctor did
not, if a doctor had thereligious beliefs against
abortion, that the doctor wasnot required to participate in
an abortion.
And so I thought and that wasbased on our religious freedom,
our, constitution firstamendment.
And I thought if president Trumphad signed off on that and is
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allowing doctors to opt out of.
If a doctor has strong religiousbeliefs to not perform an
abortion, then the same shouldgo for, across the board with
religious vaccine exemptions.
And so I had started theorganization with the goal in
mind to get some kind of anexecutive order written by
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president Trump to protect.
The religious freedom of vaccinechoice, and it's the craziest
story, but it got really closeto happening.
I was able to get to I was ableto have a meeting with HHS.
And with the director of thecivil rights department, who he
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was the one who had theexecutive order on that other,
the other one that I was justreferring to regarding
abortions.
I was able to get a meeting withhim and bring in all these
different faith leaders toexplain why vaccine why
religious exemptions need to beprotected.
And so we had a meeting.
It was like the first, I want tosay it was the first week of
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March 2020 and so COVID was juststarting, like we're just now
hearing about it.
I guess we had just startedhearing about it like in
February and and now it was likethe first week of March and I
met with this executivedirector.
I brought in several, there waspastors, there was a priest,
there was rabbis, there was aBishop.
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We had all this round tablemeeting and I had his attention
at HHS.
He was completely on board.
And literally the lockdownshappened the next day, I had to
get on a plane, rush home andall the work that I had done for
that was completely pushed asidebecause suddenly we're in this
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like crisis pandemic and then,and that was it, that was the,
that was where that ended andthen, he was not president soon
after.
And it was really interestingbecause I knew that if Biden
were to become president, I knewthat we were going to have the
mandates of the COVID vaccine.
And I had actually met with Ihad met Tiffany Trump a month
(17:29):
before the election.
And I spoke to her and I said,and he don't president Trump was
already.
Pushing for warp speed.
And I had met Tiffany Trump andI had said to her like, listen,
you need to really speak withyour dad about, making it, I
know he wants warp speed, butyou've got to, let him know that
people are not going to want,there are many people are not
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going to want this vaccine.
He needs to start talking about,what's he going to do?
Is he going to be mandatingthem?
Is there, or is he going tostand by?
Religious freedom, vaccinechoice.
And she had said to me, myfather would never mandate the
vaccine.
it Will not happen.
As long as he's president, thevaccines will not be mandated.
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And I said to her, I was like,I'm very fearful because I know
That Biden will mandate thesevaccines.
And I even laid out the exactplan.
I said, he's going to bemandating it in order for people
to, keep their jobs and stufflike that.
I just, I already knew the planhad Biden become president.
And so she said, she would speakwith her dad that he really
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needs to send the message thathe would never mandate the
vaccine.
It was really amazing.
It was like the following day hedid president Trump did an
interview where he specificallysaid, I will not be mandating
these vaccines.
And people believe, there aresome people who don't want to
receive the vaccine.
There are some people who don'twant to get it.
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And, he's for vaccine choice.
But we didn't, he didn't stay inoffice and we ended up with
Biden who, mandated the vaccinefor everyone.
Or they couldn't pay the billsis really what it was, what it
came down to.
There were I got very involvedwith our military because there
were service members, servicemenand women who had literally
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signed up to protect ourcountry, put their lives on the
line to protect America.
And they had served in ourmilitary for 19 years and we're
coming up to the eight, the timeof retirement.
And they were literally like,get the vaccine or get out.
And if you choose to get out,you get no pension, none of the
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benefits that come with havingserved our country.
And I got very involved with themilitary.
We had many meetings up inWashington DC with many
different members of Congressand Senate.
To fight these vaccine mandatesfor our military and I'm happy
to say that they've all finallybeen dropped, but a lot of
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people have now been forced toget the covid shot and they're
now suffering.
James Egidio (20:08):
Yeah, going back to 15 just to back up a little
bit.
And I think it was 15 you saidis when you were becoming more
cognizant of the fact that thesechildren were being harmed with
the vaccines, these childhoodvaccines.
Correct.
I
Dr. Shannon Kroner (20:22):
had started to see it back in 2001, 2001 was
when I started to see, I startto hear stories directly from
parents and they were tellingme, they were showing me videos
before and after videos.
This was, I was a floor timetherapist and then I was a
behavior therapist and then Ibecame an educational therapist.
So really in the early 2000s iswhen I started to wake up to
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vaccines.
Yeah.
James Egidio (20:47):
Were there any specific vaccines that your
antennas got up, stood up andyou said whoa, what's going on
here with this particularvaccine?
Was there any one in particularthat you heard about
Dr. Shannon Kroner (20:55):
it was so many, I had heard so many
different stories.
Sometimes it was the MMR.
Sometimes it was the D tap.
Sometimes it was, sometimesparents didn't know because the
child had gotten like 345 atonce.
Thanks.
And they couldn't just likedecipher which vaccine it was,
or maybe it was all of them.
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There's literally never been asingle study that looks at how
all the vaccines work together.
In combination, there's not asingle study out there.
So if a child is getting 3, 5 or7 shots at 1 time, there's not a
single study out there to saythat's safe.
And sometimes parents justdidn't know and really they.
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They couldn't know unless theywere separating the shots, which
a lot of people did do is theywould do one or two at a time.
And but then in 2015, when thephilosophical personal belief
exemptions were taken away.
Parents were expected to catchup their Children in order to
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send them to school.
And so then they were like, justpiling vaccines on so that a
child could continue to stay in
James Egidio (22:11):
school.
Yeah, I know.
I remember when my stepsonimmigrated here from Italy for 4
years ago, a year before he cameand I, when he had to go to.
Naples for his vaccinations to,to come immigrate to the United
States.
And I remember my wife at thattime, she was my fiance was
telling me he had to get sevenvaccines in one day.
(22:34):
Seven.
Yeah, it's horrible.
It's horrible.
Yeah, it's a deadly cocktail.
So you wrote this dissertation,childhood vaccinations, the
development of an educationalmanual, correct?
Dr. Shannon Kroner (22:46):
Yeah.
So that was in 2013 and I lookedat, and this was again, This was
prior to vaccine choice beingremoved from California.
So in my mind, when I wrote mydissertation, we had the option
to, get one vaccine, one shot ata time, no shots at all.
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There were different options,and so that's really what I
based my work on was all thedifferent types of.
Schedule vaccine schedules thatare out there and why a parent
may choose to do one over theother or not vaccinated at all.
And and I was looking at itthrough the psychological lens.
(23:30):
Of how, of his.
Yeah.
James Egidio (23:32):
And then.
We lost all of that choice.
Yeah.
Then of course, gruesome Newsometook over who I feel is going to
end up running for president.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (23:41):
I, I really hope not.
I hope that doesn't happen.
Yeah.
The only thing, I made a, I makea joke about it, that the only
positive with Newsome becomingpresident is that California
doesn't have him anymore, but
James Egidio (23:56):
yeah he'll make the entire United States.
California.
So we'll all live in California.
It
Dr. Shannon Kroner (24:01):
would be a horrible option as a president.
That's, it's very scary.
And I'm worried that's what'shappening because he just flew,
he flew to Israel and he justflew to China and it's like, why
is he doing these things thatare like presidential?
James Egidio (24:17):
No, he's gonna he's gonna run.
There's no question about it.
I can almost guarantee that Ican't guarantee anything But
that's one thing I tell mysister that and she's I don't
want to hear it I don't want tohear it.
I'm like, okay but I want toshare a video of something
that's really interestingbecause I know you're the things
one of the things you primarilyfocus on are childhood vaccines
and it's really interesting Infact, I have 2 videos I want to
(24:40):
share, but 1 I want to sharewith you that just popped up
recently that I, at least infront of me where they're luring
kids and easing the anxiety.
Of vaccines and especially thecovid vaccine with with virtual
reality and so that they canease their pain.
I'm gonna just go ahead and playthat right now.
Video (25:00):
First shot of the covid 19 vaccine.
Six year old Laya Stratsa was alittle apprehensive.
What are you nervous about?
Because it was scared becauselike it hurts a little bit for
me Mhm.
A lot of kids feel nervous atvaccination centers like this.
So staff here are doing whatthey can to help ease their
nerves with therapy dogs,balloons, an inflatable slide,
(25:25):
and even virtual reality.
On that headset is a therapeuticvideo game.
A tool to distract kids likeLea.
I see a big ball.
And get their minds off of thatmoment that can be scary for
some.
(25:47):
Good job.
You're done.
When the kid puts it on, then welaunch the experience.
And then they just grab theremote.
You'll see what, exactly whatthe kid is seeing.
Dr.
Jean Simon Fortin is an ERdoctor and head of the start up
company behind the device firstintended for more painful
procedures for patients withburns or fractures.
The shot is usually not a bigpain, it's only a second, but
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the fear of it is usually what'sthe problem.
So they get distracted, theystart to play, and that's how it
works.
That's actually how it is amedical treatment, where
distraction really takes theedge off.
The company is licensed byHealth Canada.
The device has been used inpilot studies for other
uncomfortable procedures at St.
Justine Hospital in Montreal.
And research has showndistraction can be a powerful
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tool to help kids through theanxiety of a needle.
Oh my God, it's as I said,another world.
So they totally forgot thevaccine.
They are having two doses, sothey have to come back.
So if they are traumatized atthe first time, they may not
want to come back
James Egidio (26:45):
psychopaths.
So
Video (26:47):
that's why this makes me brave.
She loved it.
I think she's, she's going to belooking forward to her second
dose.
So I'm glad.
And staff here say that's animportant feeling to leave with.
Allison Northcott, CBC News,LaValle.
James Egidio (27:04):
These are the, look at the, these psychopaths.
I just have
Dr. Shannon Kroner (27:06):
no words.
That is, it just makes me likeso sick to watch that.
And it's and I get it.
I understand for other medicalprocedures, if a child is in the
hospital they had mentionedsomething about burn victims and
things like that.
Distraction is always great, butin order to coerce a child so
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that they look forward to thebooster my gosh, it's just
sickening
James Egidio (27:32):
to me.
It is, and I had some othervideo footage of another one
like that, but it was, I guessthey were taking a lot of the
footage from Brazil.
And it showed like a five yearold little boy saying, I'm
scared.
I'm scared.
He's outside of the the nursesstation.
And, and they're holding the kiddown and they're talking about
using the virtual reality.
But this is where we're at withthis whole thing.
(27:54):
And it's a very sick and twistedgame.
And of course, one of the otherplayers in that, as and I'll
play the video for you on that.
I'm sure you're very familiarwith this.
I don't even want to call him agentleman.
Video (28:07):
of the country where vaccines aren't happening
because of those You know, theanti vaxxers or whatever you
want to call them who have madesignificant headway in trying to
convince parents they shouldn'tvaccinate children.
I was just looking at new datatoday from Orange County,
California, with more than a fewschools showing between 40 and
60 percent children notvaccinated.
(28:30):
You could say this is a, we're avictim of success.
In the countries where you havemeasles all the time, nobody
gets confused about this.
Do you get mad about it?
I get more mad about the deathswe're not avoiding.
I spend, my time on thecountries where you still have,
in the case of measles, over300, 000 kids dying a year.
(28:52):
In the case of diarrhealdiseases, over a million a year.
There's six million kids a yearstill dying.
Why aren't we getting vaccinesout in Africa?
For diarrhea, for respiratorydisease.
Why don't we have a vaccine formalaria?
Those are the things that I Ipush forward.
I wouldn't say I get angry, butI'm really impatient that we're
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not moving as fast as I'd like.
You can catch the full interviewthis
James Egidio (29:19):
weekend.
He doesn't get angry, but hegets impatient.
I can't
Dr. Shannon Kroner (29:23):
stand him.
First of all, I cannot standthat man.
He disgusts me and Yeah.
He has done so much damage.
In the world with first of all,any new polio that we're seeing
that's in the news is that it'sliterally a vaccine strain.
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So that's something to, makenote of is that if anybody's
getting polio right now, it'sliterally coming from the
vaccine as it's like a, ashedding by product.
And so there's, That same with,nobody, first of all, that's
another thing is, in America,thankfully, in the Western
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world, we have, very good healthcare.
We have sanitation, we have,people if people need if someone
were to get the measles thereare very easy ways to treat it.
And, nobody is dying frommeasles and not only that, but
like back in the day, I've hadthis conversation with my mom is
(30:27):
that, she had measles, everybodygot measles with her generation.
It was not a big deal in mygeneration.
Everyone got chicken pox.
There were chickenpox parties.
Sure.
I remember, it was like justsomething that kids got.
It was uncomfortable.
I hated it.
I remember it.
It was not fun, but it's notworth, I would take that over
(30:52):
injecting myself with a bunch oftoxins that could do further
damage down the road.
And a lot of the things thatkids are being vaccinated for
are just these really treatable.
They're treatable.
And now, not only that, but nowthey've just added the RSV shot,
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which is not even a truevaccine, but they've added it to
the schedule.
It is a monoclonal antibodyshot.
That's never been done forchildren before.
They're giving it to newborns.
And it's a, it's to prevent RSVand.
And because it's a monoclonalantibody and not a true vaccine,
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side effects cannot be reportedon this shot to VAERS.
So the information is going tobe completely skewed if someone
wants to go onto VAERS and lookat the side effects that people
are encountering with this RSVshot because it is a monoclonal
antibody.
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Then they've just added forpregnant women The, it's an RSV
shot for pregnant women to getand that one is from, I want to
say it's from Pfizer, butAstra's no, wait
GlaxoSmithKline, they hadcreated the exact same shot and
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they had to scratch everythingbecause.
Too many pregnant women weremiscarrying or delivering very
early on.
They were having preterm laborand and kids were, babies were
being born like super early.
And so they completely threw outthat shot.
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But then Pfizer.
Decided to create the exact sameshot, RSV shot for pregnant
women and and now it's beingpromoted and the FDA, they
originally wanted the shot to beapproved for second and third
trimester.
And the FDA said no because ofall these preterm births and
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miscarriages that werehappening.
So the FDA.
limited the shot to only thirdtrimester because the child will
have more of a chance ofsurvival if it's a preterm
labor, there's more of a chanceof survival if the baby is born
early in the third trimester.
But that, these are shots thathave already been gotten the FDA
(33:26):
approval.
They're being given out.
Today they're being pushed onpregnant women along with the
flu shot, the COVID shot, allthe everything, so now, women
are creating women who get allthese vaccines while they're
pregnant are literally creatinga toxic environment.
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Inside of their themselves wherethis newborn baby, this baby is
being grown, and they're, theyare already setting the stage
for problems.
For the child's health
James Egidio (34:03):
yeah, I know that's the thing that gets to
me.
The most is, we heard for goshwent back.
Like you said, in February,March of 2020, when covid broke
or supposedly the pandemic andthey kept parroting this
statistic that we all had a 98.
7 percent chance of survival,right?
(34:26):
If we caught the covid virus.
And got sick, right?
So that means that what is thatless than 1 percent or 2 percent
of the people who get it aregoing to die and they have
comorbidities.
I'm sure when they do have it.
(34:47):
There's just a lot ofinconsistencies to say the
least.
And I don't know anyone thatdied from covid.
Okay.
I know people like that got it.
Family members.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (34:57):
I had Covid.
Yeah.
I've had it a couple timesactually.
And the first time was worsethan the second time, it la the
first time lasted a week and thesecond time lasted a few days.
And...
It sucks for the time, but sure,
James Egidio (35:12):
sure.
But I, and I know eight people,eight that died suddenly from
the vaccine.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (35:19):
I unfortunately know several
people, actually my OBGYN whodelivered both my children.
He died suddenly and he was inhis fifties.
I want to say he was maybe like51, 52 and he was the epitome of
good health.
Like he worked out all the time.
Was not overweight in any way.
(35:40):
He's like super healthy guy.
And he got, because he was withthe Cedars Sinai hospital, it
was mandated through thehospital.
The boosters were mandated.
And so he got the vaccine andit's, what's crazy to me.
What I guess what upsets me themost is that very early on, I
(36:03):
gave him the information.
About how these vaccines aredangerous for pregnant women and
or not even pregnant women, butwomen who want to conceive, I
gave him all the data very earlyon.
And he had said to me, he'sokay, I'll look at it and I'll
see.
And then he made a joke about itand was just like.
(36:25):
You're, are you scared if you'rescared of shedding, are you
scared for me to touch you?
And I was like, honestly, likeI, cause he had already gotten
so many COVID shots and I gavehim all that data and then he
got the first two shots and thenhe got two boosters and soon
(36:48):
after the second booster.
He was riding his bike and had aheart attack and died.
How old was he?
He was, I think he was like 51,52.
Young guy, very healthy.
And and I know many people whoeither ended up in the hospital
or they died.
My own, my cousin, he My cousindid not want to get vaccinated.
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He put it off for as long as hepossibly could.
I told him I would help him witha religious exemption, but he
did not want to make waves atwork because he had a new job.
And I think it was only with hisjob for the, for a year.
And so he didn't want to be thatguy who causes, problems with
within the company.
(37:32):
And so he put it off for as longas possible until they.
Demanded that he get vaccinatedand he so he decided to get the
Johnson and Johnson one becauseit was only one shot he got it
and.
Within a couple days he was inthe hospital with blood clots in
his legs and his lungs and he henow has to stay on blood
(37:57):
thinning medication for the restof his life.
He's a young guy.
He's in his 30s.
And that's what I, that it'shorrible what happened to him.
And he literally almost died.
He could have died.
And, we're hearing aboutcelebrities all the time,
celebrities, athletes, youngathletes, child, like children,
(38:17):
athletes who are literallyhaving heart attacks on the
field or while playingbasketball celebrity athletes
suddenly having heart attacksand just falling over on the
field.
There's.
Videos of news anchors who arejust collapsing on film and, so
many celebrities are dying.
James Egidio (38:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Matthew Perry, just what?
Three days ago.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (38:43):
And with Matthew Perry, a lot of people
are saying that it's because ofthe drugs that he had taken.
And I would like to say that.
Yes, he had addiction problemsin the past, he had gotten
clean, but obviously drugaddiction really messes up that
your insides but he had goneclean and he had also had some
(39:04):
like stomach issues and stomachsurgeries and stuff, but he was
doing really well.
However, he was fully vaccinatedfor COVID.
Not only that, but he waspromoting the vaccine and he was
like offering.
a shirt that said, could I beany more vaccinated?
And what we're seeing with theCOVID vaccine is that even, and
(39:28):
it's not even a vaccine.
I think it's a bioweapon, butwhat we're seeing with this shot
the COVID shot is that whethersomebody has.
Either cancer or cancer that isin remission or some other kind
of a, let's say they have anautoimmune disorder or some
other kind of issue, whether itbe, prior drug use or something,
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this shot, this COVID shot, itis triggering.
It is bringing to the surface,whatever dormant.
Issues or things that peoplehave had under control, it is
bringing it out and making it somuch worse and we're seeing
these like turbo cancers inpeople who, had their cancer was
(40:13):
in remission for years.
Suddenly they get the covid shotand suddenly.
They've got stage four a monthlater, right?
James Egidio (40:22):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It is.
Yeah.
I interviewed Dr.
William Makis.
He's a Canadian radioradiological oncologist and he's
on substack.
He's a diligent substacker andhe reports sudden deaths
amongst, high profile.
And just normal, regular people,but a lot of people airline
pilots, nurses, athletescelebrities, and then I just
(40:45):
interviewed for the 2nd time.
Dr.
David Rassnick.
He's a biologist.
His field is cancer.
We talked about that.
We discussed turbo cancers withthis bioweapon.
It's just horrible.
And, I tell people and I parrotthis all the time on a lot of
episodes because it was sopoliticized and it created a lot
(41:07):
of division.
And that division, of course, isthe tool of the enemy is that
take the politics out of it,take the politics out of all
this, because you mentioned, ofcourse Joe Biden, and you
mentioned president Trump Trump,president Trump, with the
operation warp speed, it keptpushing the vaccine and saying,
(41:28):
you got to get your vaccination.
You got to get your vaccination.
And then of course Brandon, hekept pushing it for a long time
saying, you got to, mandates,squint in the camera and say,
you got to get your mandatemandated vaccine amongst all the
other poison that he pushes.
But take the politics out.
We have a God given right.
To choose what we want to dowith our body.
(41:48):
And now that's where when youtalk about my body by my choice
that applies the vaccines andvaccines only and all this other
stuff that these people want topush on you.
Like I said, we have a God givenright to refuse that.
And we have a God given immunesystem to fight these things.
So we don't need to listen tothese people.
And you have to push back andfight against this kind of
(42:08):
stuff.
If it means, fighting for yourrights to do that, you got to do
it.
And people like you who are verycourageous to come forward and
do this.
I just thank you so much.
Thank you so much for that.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (42:20):
Thank you.
That's actually that's literallythe reason why I wrote this
children's book.
Is that, we, kids need theinformation because this battle
is now unfortunately with themand they are being, these
children are being coerced,they're being bullied, they're
(42:41):
being made to feel.
Inadequate by their teachers, bytheir peers, by family members.
I can't tell you how manystories I heard of like
grandparents saying, you can'tcome over because I don't want
to die because of the children,and and families and children
(43:01):
being not allowed toThanksgiving dinners and
Christmas dinners and familygatherings and things like that.
That's why I wrote this book.
I'm unvaccinated and that's okaybecause, children now need to
know the truth and they need tohave the information so that,
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and it's unfortunate.
I wish that wasn't the case thatchildren had to fight these
battles, but they need to havethe information so that when
they are bullied.
Into, being, if they're bulliedto get vaccinated or they're
bullied because they'reunvaccinated, kids need to know
the facts and my book talksabout, it talks about the
(43:41):
overwhelming vaccine schedule.
It talks about how it goes into.
What vaccine injury looks likeand what vaccine injury is.
It talks about how there are notwo kids that are the same,
they're not this.
So one of the things that's aproblem is that the vaccine
program is a one size fits allprogram.
(44:03):
And so the book talks about howthe main character, he says none
of my friends are, we're all notthe same size.
We're not the same height or thesame weight.
And we all have.
Genetic differences.
How come none of that isconsidered?
Why the why are vaccines a onesize fits all thing?
Because, and that is the case isthat a child who's required to
(44:26):
get, let's say, the hepatitis B.
Vaccine at day one, right?
We're taking like a seven poundbaby and they're requiring that,
that's what is suggested by theCDC is that child get a
hepatitis B shot.
If that parent chooses not toget the hepatitis.
The vaccine for the child on dayone in California, it is
(44:49):
required in order to go toseventh grade.
So a lot of parents will thenget their seventh grader who is
now possibly a hundred poundsmore than the one day old baby.
That exact same shot, it's,there's no difference between
(45:10):
the hepatitis B vaccine that'sgiven on day one and the
hepatitis B vaccine that's givento the seventh grader.
And and so my book really talksabout what are the different
reasons why a parent.
May choose not to vaccinate andthe book was really, it was
really meant for both parent andchild to sit down together and
(45:34):
allow a parent to answer anyquestions that a child may have.
There's a really great glossarythat goes into, in a very.
easy to read and easy tounderstand way glossary that
covers like why certainingredients are in vaccines.
Why is there cow serum and whatis formaldehyde and why are
(45:55):
there monkey cells?
What is autism?
What is the toxin?
And and then I also One of myfavorite parts about the book is
that I put together a resourcelist on the last page of the
book and I've made it reallyeasy for readers to Access that
resource list because there's aQR code on the last page That
(46:18):
will just take everybody to likethe live links of you know It's
some of my favorite books, someof my favorite websites how to
report a vaccine injury, whereto go to report a vaccine injury
and and things like that.
Yeah,
James Egidio (46:34):
it looks like you did you write this around a
character on the cover there.
I see a little character of alittle boy there.
Is that is either like the maincharacter for the
Dr. Shannon Kroner (46:45):
book or main character?
His name is Nicholas Novaxx.
Okay.
And I like that.
It's from his perspective on, hetalks about how he is
unvaccinated and his, the reasonwhy he's unvaccinated is because
his older sibling, Is vaccineinjured and and so he talks
(47:06):
about his older siblings,vaccine injury and all the
different reasons why hisparents have chosen.
not to vaccinate him.
And it talks about whatliability is and how, there's no
liability for any vaccine.
And and it's a really cute,story and the illustrations are
(47:27):
really beautiful and it's veryeasy to read.
And it actually, I have it righthere.
It recently received a mom'schoice award.
So it got the gold sticker forthe mom's choice award.
And It's, I've had a lot ofreally great celebrity support,
which is nice.
And on my website,drshannonkroner.
(47:48):
com, people can see all thedifferent.
Celebrities who I've given thebook to and who are supporting
the book.
And there's people like RobSchneider and Isai Morales.
And I just, my most recent, themost recent person I gave my
book to was actually PresidentTrump.
And he held it up at an eventand so that was really neat.
(48:10):
And And yeah, so there's just alot of really good support
behind this book.
And what's really amazing, sopeople can actually buy it
directly from me atdrshannonkroner.
com and I will sign it and sendit out.
However, if people are notinterested in having an
autograph copy.
It's sold everywhere.
(48:30):
It's being sold everywhere.
So it's on Amazon and it's onBarnes and Noble, but the most
surprising place where it isactually at Target.
Target is selling the book.
Oh, good.
So yeah, it, that means it's.
Hitting the mainstream, which iswonderful.
Yeah.
James Egidio (48:45):
Good.
Yeah, and I'm actually postingthe website right underneath
there, DrShannonKroner.com.
kronner.com,DrShannonKroner.com.
Yeah.
And so I'll also post it on thewebsite a Medical Truth podcast
as well.
So absolutely.
Thank you so much.
You so much.
I really appreciate you joiningme for this episode of the
(49:06):
Medical Truth Podcast, Dr.
Kroner.
Dr. Shannon Kroner (49:08):
Thank you so much.
This is a really greatconversation to have.
James Egidio (49:11):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Outro (49:14):
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