November 21, 2023 • 68 mins
Roughly one in ten Americans aged twelve and over takes antidepressant medication in the United States. Antidepressant use among young adults between 12-19 years old has increased to 41%. The side effects of these antidepressants come at a cost. My guest is a world-renowned Harvard trained Psychiatrist for the past 60 years who has devoted his career to the use and abuse of antidepressants as well as medications for Attention Deficit Disorder; he has testified as an expert witness in several high-profile murder trials that involved the use of antidepressants. Here, to discuss the dangers of antidepressants and to answer the question of whether there is a link between antidepressants and mass shootings, is my guest, Dr. Peter Breggin.
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Get ready to hear the truth, thewhole truth, and nothing but the
truth about the United Stateshealthcare system with your host
of the medical truth podcast,James Egidio.
James Egidio (00:18):
Hi, I'm James Egidio, your host of the medical
truth podcast, the podcast thattells the truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth aboutthe American healthcare system.
Roughly one in 10 Americans aged12 and over takes antidepressant
medication in the United States.
Antidepressant use among youngadults between 12 and 19 years
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old has increased to 41%.
The side effects of theseantidepressants come at a cost.
My guest is a world renownedHarvard trained psychiatrist for
the past 60 years who hasdevoted his career.
To the use and abuse ofantidepressants as well as
medications for attentiondeficit disorder.
He has testified as an expertwitness in several high profile
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murder trials that involve theuse of antidepressants.
Here to discuss the dangers ofanti-depressants and answer the
questions of whether there is alink between antidepressants and
mass shootings.
Is my guest.
Dr.
Peter Breggin.
Dr.
Bregan, welcome to the medicaltruth podcast.
It's a pleasure to have you onagain.
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I know we spoke back severalmonths ago about your book,
COVID 19, the global predators.
We are the prey.
And today I'd like to justunpack a few things about
antidepressants and we hear alot about or at least hear the
relationship between massshootings and antidepressants
and some of the side effects ofantidepressants and the use of
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antidepressants among a lot ofthe younger population now that
we see since COVID.
go Ahead.
It's...
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:54):
the antidepressants have been very
much on my mind, although, ofcourse, most of my work is
around, has been around COVIDfor three years now.
And our book COVID 19 and theGlobal Predators has sold
150,000 copies.
I do want to give it a plugbecause it's my life's work
right now.
Sure.
And Peter McCullough did anintroduction for it, and Zev
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Zelenko did an introduction forit, and Bobby Kennedy, who's
from a very different politicalviewpoint than mine, he
actually, as his own very goodbook on Fauci was coming out, he
said our book's the deepest diveinto the criminal conspiracy.
So it's basic to understandingeverything that's going on right
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now, not just COVID.
It's about the global predatorswho are, uh, really moving
toward a global empire.
They really are serious aboutthis.
Yeah.
So I wanted to mention that.
Sure.
And I'm now tracing all thisback to the antidepressants and
even to earlier years.
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And let me give you a littleword on that.
And this is all on our Substack,Peter and Ginger Bragan.
I'm concluding now that there'sjust a long history of the elite
allowing, encouraging very braindestructive treatments and it
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fits with the general patternthat we've seen with the COVID
19 and its development inlaboratories, whether it was
released intentionally, it wasspread intentionally, that we
know for certain.
And that's in the book.
But going back to picking adate, the 1936 lobotomy
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developed, and in 1949, theNobel Prize Committee, whom I
view as the elite of elites, uh,in the worst sort of a way, gave
the Nobel Prize to Igaz Moniz,MONIZ.
Moniz was slicing up the brainsof confined state mental
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hospitals.
And to indicate how evil it wasto give him the Nobel Prize.
And one year earlier in 1948 wasthe doctor's trials in Nazi
Germany that hung doctors fordoing involuntary experiments
that were really damaging topeople in the extermination and
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concentration camps.
And here we are, this man inPortuguese state mental
hospitals is doing the same kindof outrageous thing, but he, but
a year after the Nuremberg Codeis evolved, they give him a
Nobel Prize.
And then last year, a NobelPrize is given for mRNA
development.
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And which is in itself iskilling millions of people, I do
believe with the vaccines couldbe another show.
And then if we go on just alittle further from the
lobotomies, we get the drugs.
We get 1954 psychiatric drugs,the Haldol and the first one is
Thorazine.
These are the so called antipsychotic drugs, of which we
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still have very many.
Zyprexa, Risperdal, Abilify,Seroquel, and others.
And they produce a frontal lobelobotomy by suppressing the
function of the frontal lobes,and especially the dopamine
connections to the front of thebrain.
So we're in this situation ofthis mass of that worldwide
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chemical of Lobotimization ofprobably by now 500 million
people on these drugs.
They hit 300 million when Iwrote one of my early medical
books in 1983.
So why is all this allowed?
And then comes Prozac.
And what are we, what is one ofthe first things we find out
about Prozac?
At least those of us who areinvolved in it.
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Just giving you a littlebackground that you may or may
not have covered in your introthat I was the medical expert
selected for all the casesagainst Prozac in 1994 there
were over about a hundred andfifty for suicide murder and for
just mayhem psychosis mania thevery desperate Things that
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Prozac can give to you, and allthe SSRIs can give to you.
Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, Celexa,all of that can do these things
to you.
And I was approved by a federalcourt judge in Indiana, where
Eli Lilly is the maker ofProzac.
So I got in 19, let's say callit 1992 to 1994.
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A tremendous opportunity to lookat all the medical, uh, hidden
medical records, supposedly theygave, had to give us all of
them, give me all of them fromthe development of Prozac.
And I got to study all thesethings in a lot of depth.
And the first case that we wentto court in was a mass murder.
Joseph Westbecker killed a dozenor more people in his place of
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work.
I've really been deeply involvedin it from way back And Now most
recently, it's not the, it's notmass murders, it's the countless
acts of violence where oneperson against one person or two
people, um, and suicide andviolence and suicide very
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closely related.
I can tell you about two casesthat I was just involved in the
last few weeks.
One that came out successfullyfor us and one that did not.
And one that came outsuccessfully was a Lexapro case.
And that's one of the mostwidely used now of the
antidepressants.
It all depends on marketing.
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And this man had been on aseries of SSRIs.
And it made him much worse.
He was a very good, loving man.
He was a successful man.
And he had some fears aboutcancer.
That he had.
And was apparently completelyrecovered from.
The doctors, naturally, you gotfears or anxieties.
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Okay, we'll put you on SSRIs.
And when he got worse and worse,and she kept telling the
doctors, we have this in therecord, saying, why are you
doing this?
This doesn't help him.
So finally he gets hospitalizedand she again says to the
hospitalizing doctor, and that'swho was being sued she said
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these drugs, I don't think sheeven knew to call them SSRIs,
these drugs he's been on,Prozac.
They're making it much, muchworse.
So the doc says I'll put you onsomething different.
So what does he put on Lexaprowithout forming or it's exact
same drug.
Most pharmacology textbooks justtreat these drugs like one drug
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because they're so similar.
so he's continued on this drugfor his hospitalization.
Needless to say, he doesn't getwell, he's on Lexapro every
single day.
And the insurance company putspressure on the doctor in the
hospital to discharge him.
We don't know why, particularlywhy.
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And as he's going home on thelast day, The day before
discharge, the wife tells it'san honest discharge, the wife
tells him again, this, whateverthis antidepressant is that you
put him on, he's getting worseon that too.
He has not gotten better.
And indeed, you look more like aman ready for admission to the
hospital than discharge.
So now the doctor, withouttelling her, Takes him off his
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Lexapro, so he goes home, and heis now in Lexapro toxicity,
which takes a few days to wearoff, and he's in Lexapro
withdrawal, and withdrawal canalso produce violence, suicide,
and it's just, it's all braindisruption, it can produce all
kinds of things.
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And he hung himself within lessthan 24 hours of discharge.
That was one case.
And we had a very largefinancial victory after my
testimony.
So this goes on all the time inone way or another.
I won't tell you, but it lookslike you're, you want to move to
this, something next.
James Egidio (10:16):
No, I don't.
I'm actually, what I'm doinghere is I'm actually showing the
viewers and listeners a paperthat you wrote as far back, I
believe it's what, 2005?
Dr. Peter Breggin (10:24):
2003 and four.
It came out in the issue of 2003and
James Egidio (10:30):
four.
Okay.
Three and four.
So that's how far back you wroteabout this particular situation
here with suicidality, violenceand mania.
With so that's what I wasillustrating here,
Dr. Peter Breggin (10:42):
but I can comment on that for you.
This was.
I wrote this just before the FDAhad it, had its hearings on
revising the label.
It's it's the full prescribinginformation.
It's technically called thelabel.
People know it as the packageinsert.
You have ads.
When you have an ad in a woman'smagazine to take Prozac or
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Lexapro, they will have to putup a summary of these late these
full prescribing informations.
And this was brought about.
Probably as much as anything bymy work, Healy also was
involved, and I know you'veinterviewed him in the past.
James Egidio (11:22):
Huh, two days ago, or a week
Dr. Peter Breggin (11:23):
ago.
Yeah.
And he came on the scene, abouta couple of years after I was,
putting out, talking back toProzac and other books.
And he testified as well, and anumber of other people
testified.
But I testified particularly onsomething that we're not talking
about.
They were talking about suicideviolence.
I said there's a bigger issuehere.
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This is an amphetamine like drugfor many people.
All these drugs can haveamphetamine like effects as
well.
And amphetamines can causeviolence and suicide as well.
And I got a call from the FDA,from the manager of the FDA
hearings on changing theselabels that I'd worked hard to
get them to change.
And she said, would you send uslike 25 copies of that article
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you just held up?
And we wanted to give one toevery member of our committee.
This was shocking consideringhow much The Paul Lieber, who
was head of that whole division,didn't want me having a voice,
but these things happen withinthe bureaucracy, and so every
member got to read that, and thefinal label changes have Okay,
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Almost verbatim, my statementsabout what I call the stimulant
profile, they call it theactivation profile.
They don't name it, they justsay these drugs can cause
insomnia and anxiety andagitation and going on up to
mania, akathisia, which is theinability to sit still, and
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mania and psychosis, and that'sout of that paper.
So that, I'm now that I'm 87years old, I take the liberty of
remembering what I've done overthe years.
Yeah.
I've been in the middle of thisthing.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
James Egidio (13:06):
That was gonna be one of my questions is and that
was actually one of my firstquestions I was going to ask you
is what is akathisia as itrelates to antidepressants?
Because for the listeners andviewers, they don't have any
idea what that is and what thatside effect is with
antidepressants as well.
And then it also sounds likefrom what you're saying.
that these cause an amphetaminelike side effect.
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A lot of these antidepressants,which can also, what potentially
lead to even other psychosistype paranoia, maybe
Dr. Peter Breggin (13:37):
absolutely paranoia.
James Egidio (13:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So explain a little bit aboutthe akathisia and that side with
antidepressants.
Dr. Peter Breggin (13:47):
The gentleman that committed suicide in this
case where we had a, verysignificant victory a couple
weeks ago.
He had akathisia and the way itusually shows up is the person
has what's called psychomotoragitation.
That is psychomentally he'sagitated and motor he's moving.
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And what it is, it's sodistressing.
It's being like tortured fromthe inside out and it's a
horrible experience.
And people describe it inbizarre ways often, like my
blood is boiling and things likethat because they don't have
words for how awful it feels.
And they say, oh, it's crazy,his blood is boiling.
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But he's actually expressingwhat he's feeling.
And this man to many doctorsmade clear that he was very
agitated, that he was jumpy,which is a key word that he was
at one point he says, I feltlike I was coming out of my
skin, jumping out of my skin.
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And that's so common.
That the opposition in thetrial, the opposition experts
said, No, he didn't haveakathisia.
They always say they feel likethey're jumping out of their
skin and he didn't.
Of course, he just hadn't readthe records the way I had.
So we could counter him withactually, and he even said with
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the other expert.
Something inevitable, which isnot true.
It's not inevitable.
Somebody's going to say certainwords, but that's how it feels.
And the actual diagnostic andstatistical manual, the latest
revision of it, that's theAmerican Psychiatric
Association, the latest versionof it, the edited version,
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interestingly enough, that, um,that, that actually mentions, as
older editions had, thatAkathisia can occur in both
antipsychotic drugs and SSRItype drugs, it missays that, and
that it can lead to very baddeterioration and violence and
suicide.
It actually says this,regression and suicide.
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And they're so uncertain, thesethe elite psychiatrists, what to
do about all this, that theyleft it out of the original.
Fifth edition and they only putit in the revised fifth edition,
but it was in the fourthedition.
They struggle with it.
They tend to take out everythingI've used in court.
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They take it out.
Yeah, it's really astonishing.
Sure.
But But that's what it feelslike.
And there have been papers backin the seventies describing this
horrific experience.
Psychiatrists don't like to talkabout it anymore.
They keep expunging, how we getcensored on social media.
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They censor anything really badabout the psychiatrists and
about their work.
That's been going on since I wasactive in 2003 and four.
James Egidio (16:52):
Yeah.
As we move along in this episodetoo, I'll, I have some video
footage of a news report basedon a mass shooting and the tie
to antidepressants.
And it shows in a way and itillustrates in a way how and I
don't want to get too far aheadof myself in this conversation
about how the media is prettymuch censoring the elephant in
the room That's so obvious.
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But my other question to you is,it seems like to me, and from
what you're saying, is that whenthese patients let's say present
with this akathisia, and thephysician, and they go in to see
a physician, and they're alittle anxious, that it even
leads to polypharmacy, where thephysician will say let me put
you on an anti anxietymedication.
Now you got an anti anxietymedication like Xanax on board
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with the antidepressants, right?
Dr. Peter Breggin (17:39):
Absolutely.
And they ignore the akathisiaeven though it's in every major
textbook.
They don't see, they never,almost never see the akathisia.
They call it he's agitatedwithout saying, he's agitated
moving around.
And you can even have akathisia,this horrible internal turmoil
without moving, but most of thepeople move around and they
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ignore it.
They ignore dozens in my lastcase, dozens of references in
the hospital record.
To restless pacing, dozens ofthese references and they ignore
them.
It's almost like they gettrained to never blame the
drugs, right?
Folks, whenever you go to yourprescriber And you mentioned
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something to him and he saysthat's not the drug.
It probably means it is thedrug.
It's that bad.
Yeah.
And it's very serious.
I'll give you an example of someof the editing of this kind of
thing.
Way back in one of the earlyshootings in 1994 or 5, I have
these clips somewhere on mywebsite, Breggin.
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com.
Sanjay Gupta who is the big CNNspecialist in medicine, and also
the head of, at the time, and Iforgot his name, it's a famous
name, but the head of thedepartment that takes care of
all the emergencies.
What's the name of that newdepartment that's been around
for, Decades now, the homesecurity, homeland security,
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right?
Homeland security.
They both said on TV, Oh, thesedrugs, these antidepressants can
cause violence, which wasamazing.
And they never said anotherword.
In fact, no major figure eversince the God knows what they
did to them for saying that, butno major figure since then has
said that on radio or on TV.
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Yeah.
James Egidio (19:30):
So it seems like you have a patient that comes
in, right?
They get placed on theseantidepressants they get the
side, they experience the sideeffects, like you said, of these
antidepressants, they get placedon other medications to ward off
the side effects from theantidepressants.
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What where are the black, Iguess they call them black box
warnings on this stuff.
And if there are there any onantidepressants?
Dr. Peter Breggin (19:59):
These are not black box warnings, but most of
the antidepressants, some of themanufacturers are wiggling away
from it now.
It's been many years, but since1994, have carried this broad
warning that I have in thatpaper.
about aggression, psychosis,mania, aggression.
All of them carry warnings aboutit's causing mania, but not in
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the black box, but in thewarning section.
Now, what they did with blackbox warning, there is a
statement in it that it causes,can cause suicide in children
and young adults up to, I thinkit's age 20.
And but they don't mention itfor the older people.
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Now, first of all, that'simpossible that you're going to
have something that's reallycausing harm to children and
young adults and to nobody else.
But the other thing is whathappened.
is as a part of those hearings Iwas telling you about, they
forced FDA, actually veryunusual, they must have felt a
lot of pressure about this, theyforced them to do a supervised
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re looking at all their originaldata.
They found out that they had notproperly evaluated their
original data and that the,taken as a group, all of the
antidepressants were causingincreased suicide in children.
And so then what they got reallynervous about this and they
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didn't do the same study foradults, they said, and also on
your own review it for adults.
This is too much work for us tohelp.
Of course, they got the samedata coming out that they
originally had.
This is the manipulations.
You can no longer trust.
federal agencies.
That's why we could do the bookCOVID 19 and the COVID global
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and the COVID 19 and the globalpredators.
Ginger and I had this knowledgeof the corruption of the drug
companies on a real depth andthe other federal agencies that
were involved.
But we had no idea that, forexample, that COVID 19 had been
organized for 10 years on amassive level called the decade
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of the vaccine.
Bill Gates announced that andgot billions and billions of
dollars coming into hisfoundations to, to make some
money.
And get ahead and get more powerfollowing the coattails of Bill
Gates, because he was then therichest man in the world.
There were no competitors.
He'd been the richest man in theworld for years back in 2010
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when he announced it.
So I just want folks to knowwe're talking about some details
here about corruption, thecorruptions worldwide.
James Egidio (22:48):
Yeah, it sure is.
For the listeners and viewers ofthe Medical Truth Podcast, they
hear about Antidepressants, ofcourse, they see the TV ads, but
what is actually going onphysiologically that creates the
side effects in layman's terms?
Dr. Peter Breggin (23:09):
Ultimately, all psychiatric drugs do more
harm than good.
And by the way, that doesn'tmean you should just get off
your drugs.
You've got to get off your drugsslowly and carefully.
One of my more recent books inmy long career is Psychiatric
Drug Withdrawal and subtitledThe Gall, thank you, A Guide for
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Prescribers, therapists,patients and their families.
Thank you for that.
And think about the fact that noother psychiatrist has written
such a book.
They don't want to deal withwithdrawal.
They make their money givingdrugs.
And withdrawal is difficult andhazardous.
I have to go very slowly.
So be careful.
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Don't listen to me today andcome or anybody else and come
off the drugs off hand.
Just carefully done.
The the common final pathway ofall injury to the brain and mind
is apathy.
And it doesn't matter.
We have a head injury in thewar.
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It doesn't matter if you have alot of concussions and playing
football or have electroshock.
or Take psych drugs or you dostreet drugs.
The common final pathway is youbecome less engaged in life.
You have less zest, you haveless fine tuned thinking, less
able to love, less able to hate.
less able to engage, and this iswhere it fits into the theory
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that the global predators havewanted us to be weaker as a
humanity.
So they'll give the prizes forbizarre things like mRNA, which
is one of the, is the worst, thevaccines, the worst medical
disaster of all time in causeof, in causing injury and death.
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And they'll give it to lobotomy,which is this atrocious thing
that appalls most people,slicing up your front lobes.
He literally sliced them up.
He had a wire strung between twopoints, and he would stick it
in.
This is...
Disgraceful.
So now when you get apathetic onthe drugs, you think you're
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feeling better because the samething that's causing the apathy
damage to your frontal lobe isalso impairing your judgment of
yourself.
And one of the very firstcouples that I treated, the wife
brought in the husband and shebrought him in because she felt
he was not the same.
He's a very sensitive man.
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I think he was a minister, avery sensitive guy, and he said
he was better on the drugs.
And she said, no, this is notwhat you used to be like.
And she said to him in front ofme, she said, you don't even
greet the dog lovingly when youcome home and he wants to jump
all over you.
And the sadness of that, and ofcourse, thinking about herself,
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she wasn't being greetedlovingly.
So it takes away the fine stuffand you won't know it, but your
friends might notice yourhusband or your wife might
notice your doctor.
I guarantee will not notice.
He's seen this again and again.
It's a part of he doesn't knowwhat it is.
He thinks it's mental illnesswhen it's the drug effect.
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That's what they do with all thedrug effects.
They're mental illness.
James Egidio (26:30):
Yeah.
Dr.
Healy had mentioned that in theinterview that I had with him
about you can actually take oneof his patients took an actual
hairbrush and you can actuallyrub someone's genitals briskly
because that's what it was aboutsexual dysfunction with the use
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of SSRIs.
And the patient didn't even feelthe briskness of the brush on
the genitals.
That's how much
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:00):
I can't verify anything like that, but I
can believe it.
James Egidio (27:03):
That's what he had mentioned.
Yeah,
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:05):
actually that sounds like a real anesthetic
effect from brain injury.
That may be,
James Egidio (27:10):
oh, he.
Attributed to the actual SSRIs,which actually gets to my one of
my questions as to how dangerousare SSRIs when someone's using
them for off label use, such aspremature ejaculation or anxiety
or pain.
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:27):
Psychiatry is so corrupt that it takes severe
adverse effects and calls themimprovement.
And so it actually pushes SSRIsfor slowing down the sexual
processes.
This is a brain injury thatcauses the slowing down.
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It's a very severe adverseeffect.
So psychiatry and the drugcompanies have gone, I don't
know how much the drug companiesare pushing this, but the
physicians and psychiatrists inparticular who lead the way have
gone from not recognizing,refusing to recognize sexual
dysfunction was occurring in 90percent of people taking these
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drugs.
It's partly neurologic and it'spartly the broader damage of not
loving, not caring.
guys forget that sex is verymuch connected to loving and
caring and you lose your lovingand caring.
So it's both a directphysiological effect on the
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system and it's also a dampeningof the emotions of love.
Now, all the patients that Ihave withdrawn from psych drugs,
one of the things that I do allof them have recovered.
I go very slow.
And at the same time, I dotherapy about you're going to be
having a lot more feelings asyou come off these drugs.
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You're going to have feelingsmaybe you didn't deal with
before, but you can do it.
You can handle them.
And I've not had anybody havepermanent adverse effects of
this kind.
But the literature and theinternet are full of not
recovering from the sexualsuppression of these drugs.
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And to give them to anybody tosuppress their sexuality, so
called premature ejaculation,which is very common in anxiety
during sex.
Very common in frustration andvery common in not knowing how
to combine sex with love.
That could be a wholeinteresting show in itself.
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But no, these guys should beseverely reprimanded for at the
least for doing this, and theyshould be open to lawsuit for
doing that kind of thing.
That is really a bad idea togive somebody a drug whose side
effects potentially permanent.
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Inhibition of your sexualfeelings and sexual
performances, both.
And to do that to somebody andnot tell them in bio ways may be
permanent, is a serious adverseside effect.
But it's a sign, again, of howcorrupt the pharmaceutical
industry is, how corruptpsychiatry is.
Psychiatry now is nothing morethan an arm of the
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pharmaceutical industry.
James Egidio (30:22):
Yeah, and it's interesting because they're
using it for anxiety as well andpain, insomnia.
I know when I spoke with KimWitsak, she had mentioned that
her husband, Woody, was placedon antidepressants for his
insomnia, which led to hissuicide.
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he Was received a sample pack ofZoloft and what three, four
weeks later, he hung himself.
Tragic, very tragic.
I
Dr. Peter Breggin (30:53):
can confirm that story.
I know that's true.
James Egidio (30:56):
Sure.
So getting to the relationshipbetween mass shootings or even
past mass shootings and the useof antidepressants among young
adults, because that's primarilywhat it mostly is young adults
that go into schools andwhatnot.
(31:16):
Yeah, it's not entirely though.
Not entirely, but there's aninteresting statistic that I
pulled up just today, actually,in my research.
And this is the number of youngchildren that are prescribed
antidepressants 41 percent since2015.
What's your take on that?
Dr. Peter Breggin (31:37):
That's marketing.
In two ways.
One, it goes up because ofmarketing the drugs and it goes
up because they and I imaginethat pharmaceuticals people and
the psychiatrists all want todata on.
mental illness to go up.
So when they tell you that 20percent or 40 percent of kids
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have this or that, that'smarketing.
You must always remember whenthey tell you 20 percent of
women are depressed and that'swhy they get antidepressants.
No, it's not.
It's all marketing.
They make these data up andThere is no doubt, though, that
I'm sure that antidepressant usehas been going up.
That's marketing of it, andthat's also the fact that kids
(32:23):
have been, more miserable underCOVID 19.
You make them wear masks, youmake them stay at home, acting
like they're dressed for schoolin front of a box.
And we do all these things tothem and you tell them they're
going to get COVID, they don'tget vaccinated and that'll kill
their grandparents.
It just goes on and on, but it'sall about marketing and it's all
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about hatred of children.
I believe now in folks.
Believe me, I'm a scientist.
I wouldn't be accepted more than100 times in court unless I was
very science based.
I published over 70 scientificarticles, 20 some odd books.
I tell you this because what I'mgoing to say is just so
outrageous.
I would not have ever thoughtabout it before I studied COVID.
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And that is, the people who areincreasingly governing the world
increasingly want less of us andthey want us to be more passive.
Yeah.
And what better can they do thanto go after the children, get
them hooked on street drugs?
get them because they have thesame general effects, um, get
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them hooked on psych drugs andthe worst thing that happens
when you give an antidepressantto children or you give them
amphetamines for ADHD, which isnon existent by the way, the
major correlation between kidswho get diagnosed ADHD and life
is that they're the youngestkids in the class.
Yes.
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That's how bizarre this thingis.
So they, there is a huge push inthe world today to suppress
everyone, except the elitesfeelings.
And of course, it's a big joke,but they want us to eat crummier
food.
They want us to not have anyenergy to use our cars and our
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automobiles.
They want to stick us in cities.
And we have, and they're goingto make us stay within 15
minutes of home, all thiscraziness going on, which is
about, we don't really want youaround.
Get out of nature.
We want nature.
Get out of using the energysources is barely enough for us.
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It's all about that.
And I hope it's okay James, thatI'm getting into that today.
That's
James Egidio (34:43):
okay.
I know that's your passion nowis this whole thing with these
globalists.
I know.
Believe me I put several clipsof Bill Gates, our, our friend
and foe.
And into plenty of the episodes,um, but I do want to stay on the
Dr. Peter Breggin (35:03):
and I'd love to come back by the way.
I told James folks that beforethe show started, he and I had a
show in March, which I can'teven remember because I got
COVID.
Now think about this, me, mywife and my mother in law who
live with us.
We all got COVID at the sametime.
(35:24):
Without space for transmittingit to each other and the only
place that we went to outsideour home regularly where they
could expect us was mychiropractor and his office had
to shut down because of COVIDaround the same time.
So we were very sick.
And so I don't remember the lastshow with him because I was
(35:48):
actually hospitalized very soonafter.
Sure.
And yeah.
And I'll say this.
I want to say this.
This is important.
I realize that, and anotherperson might not realize it so
much, that for at least I was inthere in April, at least maybe a
month, until a month ago, Ididn't have the zest that you
see today.
I was flattened.
(36:09):
I was disengaged.
I was like somebody on Prozac oron on an antipsychotic, Abilify,
or somebody on COVID.
Or somebody who had beenvaccinated, which I had not
been.
And this is the commondenominator where they want us.
Yeah,
James Egidio (36:29):
they do.
But I think we have to just pushback on all this.
This garbage and shut the TV offand go do things, get out there
and be active and eat.
They don't want any of that.
Getting back to the whole issuewith these mass shootings.
Now, were you were an expertwitness on a couple of those
cases, correct?
Dr. Peter Breggin (36:49):
Yeah.
I was a an expert witnessinvolved on the, in the middle
of one of the worst massshootings, which was Joseph
Westbecker, who back in 1994Westbecker, an older man was put
on Prozac.
by his doctor, and he hadpreviously had paranoid ideas,
(37:10):
and he'd even been hospitalized.
This was another conspiracy,they, oh my god, to get into
this.
The first big Prozac trial wasfixed.
I Was the major expert, and theytried on my side to not provide
me the information I needed.
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To testify and I did not find itout till the night before when
they were all in trial and I wasfree and I went through the
records found out they had 35depots.
They'd taken giving me none ofthem and on.
And we still the case was stilla split decision by the jury for
Eli Lilly.
And then afterward it wasdiscovered that the these people
(37:56):
who lost the case had gottenrich.
And the judge did a reevaluation and declared that the
case had been fixed from this,and and he said it was fixed and
they couldn't retry it oranything and it was, had to be
viewed as a potentiallyfraudulent settlement, and the
Supreme Court of Kentucky saidit was potentially fraudulent,
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so I was in the middle of that,and this man, and the they
wanted to sue the doctor, and itfailed.
As well as the drug companyinitially before the fix was set
up and I refused to sue thedoctor because he didn't have
the information at the time.
Information was being withheld.
It's the drug company.
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So that's how the case wentahead.
And the doctor the patient camein and was just doing about
usual, but was anxious or upset.
And the doctor put him onProzac.
That's what everybody was doingin 1993.
I think it was case was 94.
And the man came back a weeklater.
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And was psychotic in the officefor the first time and the doc
recognized him and he stoppedthe Prozac and said Prozac
question mark.
He was actually doing his bestfor not having any information.
And before the Prozac was out ofhis system, he went and he shot
and killed about 12 people athis place of work.
So I was the embroiled in that.
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One of the most disillusioningexperiences of my life was my
first encounter with beinginvolved in a.
conspiratorial web of fixingthings to show you how the world
works again.
The press carried the victory,which was only which was a split
thing in the jury.
I think it was like 8 to 3 orsomething like that in favor of
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letting you lay off the hook.
And so that's what got carried.
And then when the case wasoverturned, I think about 18
months later, completelyoverturned.
No major media character.
I learned about it in a legaljournal.
I Was also involved in lessdirectly, but lawsuits
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surrounding Columbine andHarris, Eric Harris.
I was hired by the family at onepoint.
of Eric Harris.
So I got to see the records.
And now if you read thenewspapers, Eric Harris was not
taking any drugs at the time.
But I have with me today, rightin front of me, the autopsy
(40:25):
report.
He was taking at the time, hewas taking a drug called Luvox,
which is still used in the U.
S., but not by its trade nameanymore.
And is one of the, one of theworst of the SSRIs, if you could
say that some one is worse thanthe others, at least more in the
literature about murder andsuicide.
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And he was taking it up to theshooting, because in his blood
and in his urine, I've got it inyour urine.
It's pretty recent.
In his blood and his urine,there was they found the Luvox
and the called Fluvoxamine andthey called it a therapeutic
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level.
Is that ironic?
They didn't give the amount.
They said a therapeutic level.
So I was like, I knew that caseinside and out.
And yes, he got crazy only afterhe was started on his first
SSRI, which was it.
Another one of the group.
But then they put them on theLouvox.
And then I was involved also asa consultant in the mass
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shootings at the theater.
In Colorado.
James Egidio (41:34):
Yeah, that's the one right there where the kid
James Holmes.
It's right.
It was on Zoloft in 2012.
I guess it indicates
Dr. Peter Breggin (41:42):
and that's a little more complex.
And I actually have a note hereto make sure I get some of the
data straight.
I Participated and I wrote areport and, but they didn't go,
they didn't need me to go tocourt because he was so
obviously crazy, they thoughtthey'd do better if they just
said, look, he's absolutelycrazy and didn't add to it the
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complexity of the drugs.
Because people don't want tothink the drugs can do this,
right?
I think they got it not guiltyby reason of insanity and
without my even having totestify Yeah but I was involved
in the case and he was Actuallyput on Zoloft by his
psychiatrist who was an expertin this area, by the way, right?
so forth as an expert in this Iwon't mention her name and She
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put him on when he told her I amfeeling so violent, I'm afraid
to tell you, so I can't.
And then she put him on Zoloft.
After that, being put on Zoloftis when he started all of his
searches.
For 20 days evolving his wholemurder plot and then he stopped
(42:50):
the drug, but he was by thencompletely psychotic for another
week when he committed the massshooting.
So you don't just recover whenyou stop the drug.
Most studies show that.
Many people who get psychotic onthese drugs, and that's common,
so common, there's even somestudies, they don't do them
anymore, of course.
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But what, in the beginning,people were finding out that a
third of mental hospitalpatients, acute treatment
patients, were were therebecause of psychosis from the
SSRIs.
All this was very obvious in thebeginning.
And usually, once they getpsychotic they're hospitalized.
And then they're...
Crushed, their minds are crushedwith the anti psychotic drugs,
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and they may be even, put inrestraints.
So it's a, it takes a lot tocalm them down afterwards.
So I'm sure he was still underthe influence of the drug.
And there's other things.
There's the, really interestingis the mass shooting.
I wanted to talk about this fora minute.
Involving in Reno, Las Vegas ofSteven Patek, this is everybody
(43:57):
has shut up about, but StevenPatek was on a a level of Oh,
actually, and I made an errorbefore Holmes, I'm sorry, I
think I said that Harris had, Imay have said, had the blood in
(44:17):
his, the drug in his blood andurine, but he did not.
I was just reviewing all thisstuff.
The man who had the drug in hisurine was Steven Paddock.
Now he killed like 50 people,some very large number, right?
And he had the metabolites ofValium in his blood and in his
urine.
And hardly anybody knows this.
(44:38):
But I've got the, I managed toget a hold of the autopsy
findings and that's what theysay.
So also contributing to violenceare Valium and Xanax.
I've had cases, but it's morelikely to see a planned violence
after the SSRIs because thesedatives.
(44:59):
Don't really leave you heavilymotivated to do anything, right?
So the sedatives more likely,like alcohol, more likely to be
where you get aroused in a barand you're on alcohol and you
shoot somebody.
Or you come home and you beat upyour wife or whatever.
By the way, 99 percent of theshooters are men.
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And in the school shootings,almost all of them have contacts
with mental health.
And psychiatry, whichdemoralizes them and tells them
they're biochemically imbalancedand hopeless, chronic mental
patients, basically, and theymay not be their words.
And then many of them also, butnot nearly all of them we know
were on antidepressants andsometimes on other drugs.
(45:45):
BUt this case, Paddock, was thebiggest mass murder ever in our
country.
And it doesn't get any thepolice chief, the the highest
ranking policeman, at leastinvolved in the case, who was
running the case.
I
James Egidio (45:59):
know him.
I know I was still in Vegas upuntil 2020, and I'd been there
for 52 years.
And I know the police, the.
The sheriff there at the timewas Joe, he's actually the
governor now.
Joe Lombardo is who it was.
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:13):
I'm thinking of another man who is now the
police chief in the shootings inHo and the, I'm sorry.
In Maui.
James Egidio (46:20):
In Maui, yeah.
That's what I was thinking of.
Yeah.
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:23):
Yeah.
Isn't that
James Egidio (46:25):
interesting though?
Yeah, very interesting.
And it, it sounds like too thatwhat happens and maybe you can
correct me on this, but there'salmost like this manic
depressive swing on these SSRIs.
Is that correct?
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:41):
That's an aspect of it, but most people
who get manic are sodisorganized.
That they can't carry out asuccessful plan, they love to
plan, so yes, you can have atremendous amount of planning on
in mania, but usually it's veryflawed planning, and people are
caught right away, and so on andso forth, and they brag about it
(47:03):
to people when they do it.
It is a manic like phenomenon,though, it's psychotic and it's
a manic like.
Basically, it's a horribleimpulse to do violence.
Sure.
Whatever is coming at it, howyou define the psychiatric
disorder that they have, itisn't disabling them enough to
keep them from shooting.
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And organize, oh no, notshooting, but to organize, to
get on and look up what theatersdon't allow guns so you can be
sure if you go in there, there'sno other guns.
I, research all this stuff thatthese guys often do.
and that's how it's differentfrom alcohol and different from
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usually Xanax.
And, I had a case where a womannever taken Xanax.
She took Xanax, came to visither boyfriend.
and saw his lover a hundredyards away and had been really
no, she had a hundred yardsaway, grabbed his gun and shot
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her from a hundred yards and hither, fortunately didn't kill
her, she recovered fully, and itwas so impulsive and out of
control, you could say yeah, butwe know why she did it, she
wanted to shoot him, but I wasable to convince the prosecution
to let this case go.
That this was, this woman hadnever done anything while in her
life.
Some of these are close calls,because they're motives mixed in
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and so on.
Yeah.
Boy, I'm all over the placetoday, I'm having a, I'm just
opening my mind on this stuffthat I haven't thought about for
a while.
Yeah,
James Egidio (48:40):
for a while.
It seems like though, these arenot very well, I guess you could
say they're planned, but theydon't seem like they're very
well planned.
A lot of these kids, from whatI.
Understand the way the mediareports.
It is that they get a hold of agun that a parent has somewhere
in a closet and they just decidein this and I want to maybe use
(49:03):
the word manic state to justpick up a gun and say, I'm going
to go over to that elementaryschool and just start shooting.
Yeah, that's make a
Dr. Peter Breggin (49:11):
statement.
That would seem to characterizea number of them.
And then you brought that up.
We have the case, a terriblecase in Connecticut where the
young man did that and shot thechildren in kindergarten.
And I've seen a tape of aninterview that was done about
the shooting with the assistantattorney general of the state.
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And he was asked, was he ondrugs?
And what were they?
And he said that if I told youthen people would stop taking
the drugs.
So that's what we know.
I think that's the good data wehave.
Good, horrible data to cover upand also the fact that he let it
(49:56):
slip.
And so that, that young man, oneof the worst, most atrocious
murders of all time.
Sure.
That man was on psych drugs.
And he, his mother went shootingwith him, so that's an
interesting part of that case.
He got the guns at home.
the the shooter in Florida,again, I'm...
(50:18):
Who killed a number of people,what, a year and a half ago now?
James Egidio (50:22):
Oh, it's a little longer than
Dr. Peter Breggin (50:23):
that.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
When is
James Egidio (50:25):
that?
That was about
Dr. Peter Breggin (50:26):
four years ago.
Four years ago.
I had some...
I did do a research on thatcase, too.
Just because reporters wereasking me.
But he had contact withpsychiatry as well.
And it actually made a threatthat was ignored.
Mental health people ignored
James Egidio (50:43):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, I noticed that when thesethings happen, the first thing
they want to blame are the gunsthemselves, as if the guns, just
got up and started shootingeverybody on their own instead
of really looking at theelephant in the room, which is
of course the history, themedical history, and it's, it
also seems like the media alongwith the pharmaceutical
(51:05):
companies and even the medicaljournals, those.
Yeah.
Cover this stuff up.
I, when I interviewed Kim theother day, Kim Witczak she'd
mentioned something that wasreally interesting that a term
that was used called ghostwriting, where a lot of these
articles are not even reallywritten by the so called experts
that are just written by someghost writer, somebody that they
(51:26):
hire and they say, okay, this iswhat we want you to put into
this article based on this dataand that we've, done some flimsy
research on
Dr. Peter Breggin (51:35):
so it's a little worse.
You got to tell me cynical thanthat.
No.
The drug companies find somebodyto do the write ups.
That's the ghost.
The ghost is from people whohave special interests, not just
some guy that doesn't knowanything.
It's too consistent.
Some guy who doesn't knowanything could really blow the
whistle on these guys.
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That's true.
It's not that at all.
And this is done.
With many scientific, so calledscientific articles, they are
actually written by the, by drugcompany Flax, and they solicit
doctors and pay them to puttheir names on them.
It's much more insidious than,wow, than you were suggesting.
James Egidio (52:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, of course the media.
They have to cover it up as wellbecause the advertising dollars
are coming from the big, hugefrom, we saw that with COVID and
with Pfizer.
You turn on the television andeverything was sponsored by
Pfizer.
Even, Pretty much everything is,was sponsored by Pfizer.
(52:40):
And I actually have a newsreport on a mass shooting that
actually shows an obvious coverup, because while we're on this
topic of cover ups and whatnot,I just want to just illustrate
how the news does that when it'srelated to a mass shooting.
Let me go ahead and just playthat now.
Abundance of
Video (52:59):
psychiatric meds being prescribed to young men to blame
for these shootings.
Team twelves, Joe Dana verified.
Hey James, when do I go on?
What's my next thing?
An attorney for the allegedshooter says he was not on any
prescription meds, that hasn'tstopped.
Speculation online, Jen and byone very prominent member of the
gun lobby from saying that ourculture is drugging kids and
(53:21):
that it's to blame for thisepidemic of mass shootings.
The incoming president of theNational Rifle Association,
Oliver North, calls the scourgeof gun violence on campuses a
disease.
And the disease in this caseisn't the second amendment.
The disease is youngsters whoare steeped in a culture of
violence.
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They've been drugged in manycases.
Nearly all of these perpetratorsare male.
If you look at what has happenedto the young people, many of
these young boys have been onRitalin since they were in
kindergarten.
A host of bloggers also promotethe claim that psychiatric drugs
are fueling the behavior of manyor most school shooters.
So are they right?
A leading expert on schoolshootings, who has written two
(54:04):
books on the subject, and whoeducates FBI, says there's no
known cause effect link.
There's a lot of misinformationout there.
I've not seen any convincingevidence that any of the attacks
could be attributed topsychiatric medication.
Dr.
Peter Langman has profiledschool shooters of college age
(54:24):
and younger, gatheringinterviews and autopsy reports.
Out of 51 shooters, there wasevidence that 7 of them were
recently or currently onpsychiatric medication.
mostly antidepressants.
In those cases, the meds werealready treating severe
underlying issues related tomental and emotional health.
When asked to provide morespecific evidence for Oliver
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North's claim, the NRA emailedus a 2011 review by the FDA,
concluding that 31 psychiatricdrugs, including three used for
ADHD, had a disproportionateassociation with violence
towards others.
But the NRA could not provideevidence connecting school
shooters and psychiatric drugs.
Unless the NRA has more specificevidence, we are left to
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conclude that this claim isfalse.
That prescription drugs, likeRitalin, are an identifiable
cause of many school shootings.
And the researcher we spoke withadded that when you look at the
lives of these shooters who weregiven meds, these were not
ordinary kids who underwent someradical transformation under the
influence of meds.
They were already struggling ina lot of different ways, and
(55:28):
that's why they were prescribedthose medications.
But Joe, you and I both knowthat there are some
James Egidio (55:33):
people who will...
So there you go, This
Dr. Peter Breggin (55:39):
is the global elite defending the billions and
billions of dollars that theyget from psych drugs, and also
the effects they get.
Which is to make us into a kindof mildly stupefied nation that
no longer will fight for itsrights.
I think the drugs havecontributed to that and that's
(56:01):
the biggest issue and I've justwritten a column about that on
Peter and Ginger Bregan'ssubstack that This common effect
that I told you about earlier,that all head injury, head
dysfunction, brain dysfunction,eventually will make us more
apathetic.
(56:22):
And I think that's a part of thehuge apathy we see in this
country.
Probably 80 percent of thepopulation gets on drugs at one
time or another.
And when we look at what's goingon at any given time, you get
data like 25 percent of women,15 percent of children, 20
percent of children, at anygiven moment on the drugs.
(56:43):
And I realized long ago thatmeans almost everybody is going
to get them at some point.
And we have now a study out ofDenmark that showed that 80
percent of people there hadtaken the drugs, and those 80
percent were in fact and theyattributed it to the drugs in
part.
We're doing much worse than the20 percent who did.
Now, there could be manydifferent variables in all of
(57:06):
that.
But there's just so much datathat these drugs are really
terrible for the brain.
In fact, the only way you canget a drug passed by the FDA is
to show that it disrupts thebrain function of an animal.
So if you give your drug X tomice and nothing happens, FDA
isn't going to let it be a psychdrug.
(57:27):
But if you give it to the animaland the animal no longer can
stand upright and falls down,that's literally one of the
criteria for anti psychoticdrugs, the animal falls down or
if the animal gets stuporous orif the animal acts more
frightened or less frightened,and then you chop up the brain
of the animal and you can provethat it's actually changing
neurotransmitters.
(57:48):
That is.
You have to prove it's aneurotoxin before they'll even
let you try to get it approved.
If you think about this is sucha bizarre world we're in this
regard.
Yeah,
James Egidio (58:00):
unless it's the vaccine, right?
The bioweapon.
Unless it's the bioweapon, thenit's okay.
Dr. Peter Breggin (58:06):
Yeah, then it's absolutely normal.
to have right now we have18,000-19,000 reported deaths in
the U.
S.
to the VAERS system for death,most of them within a few days
of the vaccine.
We used to shut down a vaccineif we Suspected a death or if
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there was a suspectedcontaminant that might cause a
problem.
They just stopped it across theboard.
No fact, no vaccine ever hadmore than a few deaths before it
was taken off the market.
James Egidio (58:40):
Yeah.
I think it's a lot more than 18,000.
I know personally.
Oh, I
Dr. Peter Breggin (58:44):
know.
Oh, health.
No.
It's about, if it's 18, 000reported deaths, it's 1.
8 million.
Exactly.
Thank you for that,
James Egidio (58:54):
James.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I know eight people,myself personally, that, that
died suddenly from the vaccine.
And I don't know anyone, as Imentioned in many podcast
episodes, died directly fromCOVID.
None.
Nobody.
Dr. Peter Breggin (59:09):
No.
Same with us.
Same with us, basically.
Yeah.
I don't know that many peoplehave died, but I don't associate
with as many.
I'm so busy working.
Yeah.
But listen, let me tell youabout that.
Let me, let's finish up with it.
I think it's important tofinish.
Sure.
The best study done of VAERS,which is the system that
(59:29):
reports, where you can sendreports to the CDC.
So CDC that gets them.
FDA also gets them and they'reinvolved.
So you can't forgive the FDA ofany of this either because they
could take it over and say,look, all right, best study was
done for a government agencysaid less than one in 100
(59:51):
adverse effects, serious adverseeffects is getting reported on
the VAERS system.
So if we say it's 100 and youhave 18, 000 reports, that's 8,
1.
8 million deaths.
Now, I think it has to be morethan that.
Why?
Because there's huge pressuresfor doctors not to report or
(01:00:12):
acknowledge deaths fromvaccines.
If you write or talk aboutdeaths from vaccines.
You can get, you can lose yourmedical license.
You can lose your clinicalposition.
You can be threatened in variousways, huge pressures.
Furthermore, who's going toreport the deaths from the
vaccines, unlike medical.
(01:00:34):
medications.
The vaccines are given on massin parking lots.
They're given in pharmacies andall kinds of other places where
the people are just flyingthrough.
How is the professional going toeven know of a death, let alone
reported?
Sure.
The final thing is, I'veprobably been involved in 200
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cases.
Or more.
300 cases or more, one way oranother, of severe violence.
No, even more than that.
I've gone a hundred times tocourt, more than that.
It's many hundreds I've beeninvolved with that have these
serious adverse events.
And none has the doctor, thenurse, or anybody involved
(01:01:16):
reported it to VAERS.
Same thing in the FDA, none ofthem got reported to the FDA,
not one, with the exception ofthe Holmes shooting, which the
drug company had to reportbecause the autopsy finally got
made public saying that it wasinvolved, that that Zoloft was
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involved and the manufacturerSolvay sent a report into the
FDA.
It's the only report I've everseen to the FDA on these things.
Did you
James Egidio (01:01:48):
personally interview Holmes?
I know Dr.
Healy did.
He actually interviewed himpersonally after the shooting.
I don't recall.
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:01:58):
No?
No.
Oh, after the shooting, no less.
I don't know how we would havegot access to him.
James Egidio (01:02:04):
Not...
No, I did not.
When I say after the shooting, Imean during the proceeding of
the, him going to trial and...
Yeah.
Prior to that...
No, I
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:02:10):
don't think I got to interview him.
No?
I don't
James Egidio (01:02:13):
remember anymore.
And the other interesting thingis when I did interview Dr.
Hill, he did mention somethingthat was very interesting too
about this link between the massshootings and the
antidepressants is he says a lotof times the defense attorney
for the suspect, theperpetrator, will use that.
To get a reduced sentence forhis client or for the client.
(01:02:39):
Is that true or what?
What's?
Oh, yeah,
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:02:42):
that's my goal.
That is my goal in every case isto at least get a reduced
sentence even before we go tocourt or reduced list of crimes,
take down first degree murder.
out of the charges.
And I've done that on a numberof occasions, especially young
people.
(01:03:05):
I had a case of of a Prozacmurder in Canada, the first one
ever, and the judge and they hada clinic director testify
against me, and I'm an outsider.
The judge went totally with mytestimony and the 17 year old
actually Was he didn't allow himto be tried as an adult.
He said no, this wouldn't gowith him as a child.
(01:03:27):
And he's not gonna do any jailtime.
It's going to go to a placewhere he can be for a while and
then be released.
I had another case down southwhere a young woman, um, when an
abusive male came to the door aboy just a little older than her
actually not really under 12.
I think she was 12 and he was 13or 14.
(01:03:49):
She went and got her daddy'spistol down and fired it at him
at the door when he wouldn'tleave.
And she was charged with firstdegree attempted murder, didn't
fire.
And my testimony she got a veryreduced sentence and the judge
did not put her in jail.
So I have some successes, butalso failures.
(01:04:12):
Yeah.
People to believe this.
And sometimes it's a close call.
Let's have the judgment of thejury rather than be the expert.
Because some of these are closecalls and I'm very much in favor
of.
Not having people just say, OhBergen said the experts.
Yeah
James Egidio (01:04:30):
I, I.
I went to a high school the yearafter I graduated, it was in my
sister's class that there was aschool shooting where the
teacher was killed, the schoolteacher was killed by the
perpetrator who was, his namewas Patrick Lizotte.
In that case, in fact, they justreleased him after gosh, 39
(01:04:50):
years, 38 years, 39 years inprison in a state mental
institute, but he had someserious mental issues at the
time, whether he was onantidepressants or not, I have
no idea.
But he did, like I said, 38years of his life in prison for
that murder of that schoolteacher.
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:05:13):
One thing that's really, and I'd like to
end on this.
If I were 37 instead of 87, I'dgo until you got tired.
But nowadays I go until I gettired.
But I'm fine.
I think I have something in 10minutes to go to.
Sure, no problem.
But the idea of ramping upmental health.
In response to these issues,right?
(01:05:36):
It's crazy.
Sure.
Because even the people whodidn't weren't on drugs, many of
them through the mental healthsystem.
And that makes a young personfeel stigmatized.
Sick and they're told you have abiochemical imbalance.
You can't control yourself.
What a horrible thing to do tothe personal sovereignty and
(01:05:59):
self responsibility of a youngperson.
Psychiatry is evil in takingaway from Millions and well,
hundreds of millions of peopleover the decades, taking away
their personal sovereignty bytelling them they have a genetic
and biochemical illness whennone of them do.
In fact, as soon as we find outin psychiatry that somebody has
(01:06:19):
a physical disorder in thebrain, we send them to the
neurologist, right?
James Egidio (01:06:24):
Yeah, exactly.
I know.
And we can get into anotherwhole another episode based on
just yeah.
Transgender changes surgicallyand mentally where psychiatrists
are pushing these kids to theedge of I'd put them in jail.
Yeah, pushing them
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:06:41):
to the edge of The people who are
encouraging children to dotransgender, why not encourage
them to do suicide?
They're doing that in Canada.
Exactly.
Mutilation for suicidal youngpeople.
Yeah.
James Egidio (01:06:54):
We'll have to maybe do an
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:06:55):
episode.
Some of our best people in theworld have struggled horribly
with their gender issues, theirsuicide issues, their violence
issues as young people.
Don't mutilate them.
James Egidio (01:07:07):
And that's what they're doing.
That's what they're doing.
Dr.
Bregan, thank you so much forjoining me for this episode of
the Medical Truth Podcast.
I really appreciate your time.
Thanks.
James,
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:07:17):
it's great to be with you.
Yeah,
James Egidio (01:07:19):
absolutely.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I hope to get you back onagain.
Maybe we'll talk about theseother topics, this whole thing.
I'd be glad to.
All right.
Thank you so much, sir.
Appreciate it.
You're a
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:07:29):
gift to the, you're a gift to the world, sir.
Thank
James Egidio (01:07:31):
you, sir.
You too.
You too.
Thank you.
All right.
Bye.
Tell Ginger I said hello too.
I will.
Okay.
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James Egidio (00:18):
Hi, I'm James Egidio, your host of the medical
truth podcast, the podcast thattells the truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth aboutthe American healthcare system.
Roughly one in 10 Americans aged12 and over takes antidepressant
medication in the United States.
Antidepressant use among youngadults between 12 and 19 years
(00:39):
old has increased to 41%.
The side effects of theseantidepressants come at a cost.
My guest is a world renownedHarvard trained psychiatrist for
the past 60 years who hasdevoted his career.
To the use and abuse ofantidepressants as well as
medications for attentiondeficit disorder.
He has testified as an expertwitness in several high profile
(01:00):
murder trials that involve theuse of antidepressants.
Here to discuss the dangers ofanti-depressants and answer the
questions of whether there is alink between antidepressants and
mass shootings.
Is my guest.
Dr.
Peter Breggin.
Dr.
Bregan, welcome to the medicaltruth podcast.
It's a pleasure to have you onagain.
(01:21):
I know we spoke back severalmonths ago about your book,
COVID 19, the global predators.
We are the prey.
And today I'd like to justunpack a few things about
antidepressants and we hear alot about or at least hear the
relationship between massshootings and antidepressants
and some of the side effects ofantidepressants and the use of
(01:45):
antidepressants among a lot ofthe younger population now that
we see since COVID.
go Ahead.
It's...
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:54):
the antidepressants have been very
much on my mind, although, ofcourse, most of my work is
around, has been around COVIDfor three years now.
And our book COVID 19 and theGlobal Predators has sold
150,000 copies.
I do want to give it a plugbecause it's my life's work
right now.
Sure.
And Peter McCullough did anintroduction for it, and Zev
(02:15):
Zelenko did an introduction forit, and Bobby Kennedy, who's
from a very different politicalviewpoint than mine, he
actually, as his own very goodbook on Fauci was coming out, he
said our book's the deepest diveinto the criminal conspiracy.
So it's basic to understandingeverything that's going on right
(02:36):
now, not just COVID.
It's about the global predatorswho are, uh, really moving
toward a global empire.
They really are serious aboutthis.
Yeah.
So I wanted to mention that.
Sure.
And I'm now tracing all thisback to the antidepressants and
even to earlier years.
(02:56):
And let me give you a littleword on that.
And this is all on our Substack,Peter and Ginger Bragan.
I'm concluding now that there'sjust a long history of the elite
allowing, encouraging very braindestructive treatments and it
(03:18):
fits with the general patternthat we've seen with the COVID
19 and its development inlaboratories, whether it was
released intentionally, it wasspread intentionally, that we
know for certain.
And that's in the book.
But going back to picking adate, the 1936 lobotomy
(03:38):
developed, and in 1949, theNobel Prize Committee, whom I
view as the elite of elites, uh,in the worst sort of a way, gave
the Nobel Prize to Igaz Moniz,MONIZ.
Moniz was slicing up the brainsof confined state mental
(04:02):
hospitals.
And to indicate how evil it wasto give him the Nobel Prize.
And one year earlier in 1948 wasthe doctor's trials in Nazi
Germany that hung doctors fordoing involuntary experiments
that were really damaging topeople in the extermination and
(04:25):
concentration camps.
And here we are, this man inPortuguese state mental
hospitals is doing the same kindof outrageous thing, but he, but
a year after the Nuremberg Codeis evolved, they give him a
Nobel Prize.
And then last year, a NobelPrize is given for mRNA
development.
(04:46):
And which is in itself iskilling millions of people, I do
believe with the vaccines couldbe another show.
And then if we go on just alittle further from the
lobotomies, we get the drugs.
We get 1954 psychiatric drugs,the Haldol and the first one is
Thorazine.
These are the so called antipsychotic drugs, of which we
(05:09):
still have very many.
Zyprexa, Risperdal, Abilify,Seroquel, and others.
And they produce a frontal lobelobotomy by suppressing the
function of the frontal lobes,and especially the dopamine
connections to the front of thebrain.
So we're in this situation ofthis mass of that worldwide
(05:34):
chemical of Lobotimization ofprobably by now 500 million
people on these drugs.
They hit 300 million when Iwrote one of my early medical
books in 1983.
So why is all this allowed?
And then comes Prozac.
And what are we, what is one ofthe first things we find out
about Prozac?
At least those of us who areinvolved in it.
(05:57):
Just giving you a littlebackground that you may or may
not have covered in your introthat I was the medical expert
selected for all the casesagainst Prozac in 1994 there
were over about a hundred andfifty for suicide murder and for
just mayhem psychosis mania thevery desperate Things that
(06:20):
Prozac can give to you, and allthe SSRIs can give to you.
Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, Celexa,all of that can do these things
to you.
And I was approved by a federalcourt judge in Indiana, where
Eli Lilly is the maker ofProzac.
So I got in 19, let's say callit 1992 to 1994.
(06:43):
A tremendous opportunity to lookat all the medical, uh, hidden
medical records, supposedly theygave, had to give us all of
them, give me all of them fromthe development of Prozac.
And I got to study all thesethings in a lot of depth.
And the first case that we wentto court in was a mass murder.
Joseph Westbecker killed a dozenor more people in his place of
(07:08):
work.
I've really been deeply involvedin it from way back And Now most
recently, it's not the, it's notmass murders, it's the countless
acts of violence where oneperson against one person or two
people, um, and suicide andviolence and suicide very
(07:29):
closely related.
I can tell you about two casesthat I was just involved in the
last few weeks.
One that came out successfullyfor us and one that did not.
And one that came outsuccessfully was a Lexapro case.
And that's one of the mostwidely used now of the
antidepressants.
It all depends on marketing.
(07:49):
And this man had been on aseries of SSRIs.
And it made him much worse.
He was a very good, loving man.
He was a successful man.
And he had some fears aboutcancer.
That he had.
And was apparently completelyrecovered from.
The doctors, naturally, you gotfears or anxieties.
(08:10):
Okay, we'll put you on SSRIs.
And when he got worse and worse,and she kept telling the
doctors, we have this in therecord, saying, why are you
doing this?
This doesn't help him.
So finally he gets hospitalizedand she again says to the
hospitalizing doctor, and that'swho was being sued she said
(08:32):
these drugs, I don't think sheeven knew to call them SSRIs,
these drugs he's been on,Prozac.
They're making it much, muchworse.
So the doc says I'll put you onsomething different.
So what does he put on Lexaprowithout forming or it's exact
same drug.
Most pharmacology textbooks justtreat these drugs like one drug
(08:53):
because they're so similar.
so he's continued on this drugfor his hospitalization.
Needless to say, he doesn't getwell, he's on Lexapro every
single day.
And the insurance company putspressure on the doctor in the
hospital to discharge him.
We don't know why, particularlywhy.
(09:13):
And as he's going home on thelast day, The day before
discharge, the wife tells it'san honest discharge, the wife
tells him again, this, whateverthis antidepressant is that you
put him on, he's getting worseon that too.
He has not gotten better.
And indeed, you look more like aman ready for admission to the
hospital than discharge.
So now the doctor, withouttelling her, Takes him off his
(09:36):
Lexapro, so he goes home, and heis now in Lexapro toxicity,
which takes a few days to wearoff, and he's in Lexapro
withdrawal, and withdrawal canalso produce violence, suicide,
and it's just, it's all braindisruption, it can produce all
kinds of things.
(09:57):
And he hung himself within lessthan 24 hours of discharge.
That was one case.
And we had a very largefinancial victory after my
testimony.
So this goes on all the time inone way or another.
I won't tell you, but it lookslike you're, you want to move to
this, something next.
James Egidio (10:16):
No, I don't.
I'm actually, what I'm doinghere is I'm actually showing the
viewers and listeners a paperthat you wrote as far back, I
believe it's what, 2005?
Dr. Peter Breggin (10:24):
2003 and four.
It came out in the issue of 2003and
James Egidio (10:30):
four.
Okay.
Three and four.
So that's how far back you wroteabout this particular situation
here with suicidality, violenceand mania.
With so that's what I wasillustrating here,
Dr. Peter Breggin (10:42):
but I can comment on that for you.
This was.
I wrote this just before the FDAhad it, had its hearings on
revising the label.
It's it's the full prescribinginformation.
It's technically called thelabel.
People know it as the packageinsert.
You have ads.
When you have an ad in a woman'smagazine to take Prozac or
(11:06):
Lexapro, they will have to putup a summary of these late these
full prescribing informations.
And this was brought about.
Probably as much as anything bymy work, Healy also was
involved, and I know you'veinterviewed him in the past.
James Egidio (11:22):
Huh, two days ago, or a week
Dr. Peter Breggin (11:23):
ago.
Yeah.
And he came on the scene, abouta couple of years after I was,
putting out, talking back toProzac and other books.
And he testified as well, and anumber of other people
testified.
But I testified particularly onsomething that we're not talking
about.
They were talking about suicideviolence.
I said there's a bigger issuehere.
(11:44):
This is an amphetamine like drugfor many people.
All these drugs can haveamphetamine like effects as
well.
And amphetamines can causeviolence and suicide as well.
And I got a call from the FDA,from the manager of the FDA
hearings on changing theselabels that I'd worked hard to
get them to change.
And she said, would you send uslike 25 copies of that article
(12:08):
you just held up?
And we wanted to give one toevery member of our committee.
This was shocking consideringhow much The Paul Lieber, who
was head of that whole division,didn't want me having a voice,
but these things happen withinthe bureaucracy, and so every
member got to read that, and thefinal label changes have Okay,
(12:31):
Almost verbatim, my statementsabout what I call the stimulant
profile, they call it theactivation profile.
They don't name it, they justsay these drugs can cause
insomnia and anxiety andagitation and going on up to
mania, akathisia, which is theinability to sit still, and
(12:51):
mania and psychosis, and that'sout of that paper.
So that, I'm now that I'm 87years old, I take the liberty of
remembering what I've done overthe years.
Yeah.
I've been in the middle of thisthing.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
James Egidio (13:06):
That was gonna be one of my questions is and that
was actually one of my firstquestions I was going to ask you
is what is akathisia as itrelates to antidepressants?
Because for the listeners andviewers, they don't have any
idea what that is and what thatside effect is with
antidepressants as well.
And then it also sounds likefrom what you're saying.
that these cause an amphetaminelike side effect.
(13:27):
A lot of these antidepressants,which can also, what potentially
lead to even other psychosistype paranoia, maybe
Dr. Peter Breggin (13:37):
absolutely paranoia.
James Egidio (13:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So explain a little bit aboutthe akathisia and that side with
antidepressants.
Dr. Peter Breggin (13:47):
The gentleman that committed suicide in this
case where we had a, verysignificant victory a couple
weeks ago.
He had akathisia and the way itusually shows up is the person
has what's called psychomotoragitation.
That is psychomentally he'sagitated and motor he's moving.
(14:10):
And what it is, it's sodistressing.
It's being like tortured fromthe inside out and it's a
horrible experience.
And people describe it inbizarre ways often, like my
blood is boiling and things likethat because they don't have
words for how awful it feels.
And they say, oh, it's crazy,his blood is boiling.
(14:31):
But he's actually expressingwhat he's feeling.
And this man to many doctorsmade clear that he was very
agitated, that he was jumpy,which is a key word that he was
at one point he says, I feltlike I was coming out of my
skin, jumping out of my skin.
(14:52):
And that's so common.
That the opposition in thetrial, the opposition experts
said, No, he didn't haveakathisia.
They always say they feel likethey're jumping out of their
skin and he didn't.
Of course, he just hadn't readthe records the way I had.
So we could counter him withactually, and he even said with
(15:12):
the other expert.
Something inevitable, which isnot true.
It's not inevitable.
Somebody's going to say certainwords, but that's how it feels.
And the actual diagnostic andstatistical manual, the latest
revision of it, that's theAmerican Psychiatric
Association, the latest versionof it, the edited version,
(15:35):
interestingly enough, that, um,that, that actually mentions, as
older editions had, thatAkathisia can occur in both
antipsychotic drugs and SSRItype drugs, it missays that, and
that it can lead to very baddeterioration and violence and
suicide.
It actually says this,regression and suicide.
(15:58):
And they're so uncertain, thesethe elite psychiatrists, what to
do about all this, that theyleft it out of the original.
Fifth edition and they only putit in the revised fifth edition,
but it was in the fourthedition.
They struggle with it.
They tend to take out everythingI've used in court.
(16:18):
They take it out.
Yeah, it's really astonishing.
Sure.
But But that's what it feelslike.
And there have been papers backin the seventies describing this
horrific experience.
Psychiatrists don't like to talkabout it anymore.
They keep expunging, how we getcensored on social media.
(16:40):
They censor anything really badabout the psychiatrists and
about their work.
That's been going on since I wasactive in 2003 and four.
James Egidio (16:52):
Yeah.
As we move along in this episodetoo, I'll, I have some video
footage of a news report basedon a mass shooting and the tie
to antidepressants.
And it shows in a way and itillustrates in a way how and I
don't want to get too far aheadof myself in this conversation
about how the media is prettymuch censoring the elephant in
the room That's so obvious.
(17:13):
But my other question to you is,it seems like to me, and from
what you're saying, is that whenthese patients let's say present
with this akathisia, and thephysician, and they go in to see
a physician, and they're alittle anxious, that it even
leads to polypharmacy, where thephysician will say let me put
you on an anti anxietymedication.
Now you got an anti anxietymedication like Xanax on board
(17:35):
with the antidepressants, right?
Dr. Peter Breggin (17:39):
Absolutely.
And they ignore the akathisiaeven though it's in every major
textbook.
They don't see, they never,almost never see the akathisia.
They call it he's agitatedwithout saying, he's agitated
moving around.
And you can even have akathisia,this horrible internal turmoil
without moving, but most of thepeople move around and they
(18:01):
ignore it.
They ignore dozens in my lastcase, dozens of references in
the hospital record.
To restless pacing, dozens ofthese references and they ignore
them.
It's almost like they gettrained to never blame the
drugs, right?
Folks, whenever you go to yourprescriber And you mentioned
(18:23):
something to him and he saysthat's not the drug.
It probably means it is thedrug.
It's that bad.
Yeah.
And it's very serious.
I'll give you an example of someof the editing of this kind of
thing.
Way back in one of the earlyshootings in 1994 or 5, I have
these clips somewhere on mywebsite, Breggin.
(18:43):
com.
Sanjay Gupta who is the big CNNspecialist in medicine, and also
the head of, at the time, and Iforgot his name, it's a famous
name, but the head of thedepartment that takes care of
all the emergencies.
What's the name of that newdepartment that's been around
for, Decades now, the homesecurity, homeland security,
(19:06):
right?
Homeland security.
They both said on TV, Oh, thesedrugs, these antidepressants can
cause violence, which wasamazing.
And they never said anotherword.
In fact, no major figure eversince the God knows what they
did to them for saying that, butno major figure since then has
said that on radio or on TV.
(19:28):
Yeah.
James Egidio (19:30):
So it seems like you have a patient that comes
in, right?
They get placed on theseantidepressants they get the
side, they experience the sideeffects, like you said, of these
antidepressants, they get placedon other medications to ward off
the side effects from theantidepressants.
(19:50):
What where are the black, Iguess they call them black box
warnings on this stuff.
And if there are there any onantidepressants?
Dr. Peter Breggin (19:59):
These are not black box warnings, but most of
the antidepressants, some of themanufacturers are wiggling away
from it now.
It's been many years, but since1994, have carried this broad
warning that I have in thatpaper.
about aggression, psychosis,mania, aggression.
All of them carry warnings aboutit's causing mania, but not in
(20:23):
the black box, but in thewarning section.
Now, what they did with blackbox warning, there is a
statement in it that it causes,can cause suicide in children
and young adults up to, I thinkit's age 20.
And but they don't mention itfor the older people.
(20:43):
Now, first of all, that'simpossible that you're going to
have something that's reallycausing harm to children and
young adults and to nobody else.
But the other thing is whathappened.
is as a part of those hearings Iwas telling you about, they
forced FDA, actually veryunusual, they must have felt a
lot of pressure about this, theyforced them to do a supervised
(21:05):
re looking at all their originaldata.
They found out that they had notproperly evaluated their
original data and that the,taken as a group, all of the
antidepressants were causingincreased suicide in children.
And so then what they got reallynervous about this and they
(21:26):
didn't do the same study foradults, they said, and also on
your own review it for adults.
This is too much work for us tohelp.
Of course, they got the samedata coming out that they
originally had.
This is the manipulations.
You can no longer trust.
federal agencies.
That's why we could do the bookCOVID 19 and the COVID global
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and the COVID 19 and the globalpredators.
Ginger and I had this knowledgeof the corruption of the drug
companies on a real depth andthe other federal agencies that
were involved.
But we had no idea that, forexample, that COVID 19 had been
organized for 10 years on amassive level called the decade
(22:16):
of the vaccine.
Bill Gates announced that andgot billions and billions of
dollars coming into hisfoundations to, to make some
money.
And get ahead and get more powerfollowing the coattails of Bill
Gates, because he was then therichest man in the world.
There were no competitors.
He'd been the richest man in theworld for years back in 2010
(22:39):
when he announced it.
So I just want folks to knowwe're talking about some details
here about corruption, thecorruptions worldwide.
James Egidio (22:48):
Yeah, it sure is.
For the listeners and viewers ofthe Medical Truth Podcast, they
hear about Antidepressants, ofcourse, they see the TV ads, but
what is actually going onphysiologically that creates the
side effects in layman's terms?
Dr. Peter Breggin (23:09):
Ultimately, all psychiatric drugs do more
harm than good.
And by the way, that doesn'tmean you should just get off
your drugs.
You've got to get off your drugsslowly and carefully.
One of my more recent books inmy long career is Psychiatric
Drug Withdrawal and subtitledThe Gall, thank you, A Guide for
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Prescribers, therapists,patients and their families.
Thank you for that.
And think about the fact that noother psychiatrist has written
such a book.
They don't want to deal withwithdrawal.
They make their money givingdrugs.
And withdrawal is difficult andhazardous.
I have to go very slowly.
So be careful.
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Don't listen to me today andcome or anybody else and come
off the drugs off hand.
Just carefully done.
The the common final pathway ofall injury to the brain and mind
is apathy.
And it doesn't matter.
We have a head injury in thewar.
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It doesn't matter if you have alot of concussions and playing
football or have electroshock.
or Take psych drugs or you dostreet drugs.
The common final pathway is youbecome less engaged in life.
You have less zest, you haveless fine tuned thinking, less
able to love, less able to hate.
less able to engage, and this iswhere it fits into the theory
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that the global predators havewanted us to be weaker as a
humanity.
So they'll give the prizes forbizarre things like mRNA, which
is one of the, is the worst, thevaccines, the worst medical
disaster of all time in causeof, in causing injury and death.
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And they'll give it to lobotomy,which is this atrocious thing
that appalls most people,slicing up your front lobes.
He literally sliced them up.
He had a wire strung between twopoints, and he would stick it
in.
This is...
Disgraceful.
So now when you get apathetic onthe drugs, you think you're
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feeling better because the samething that's causing the apathy
damage to your frontal lobe isalso impairing your judgment of
yourself.
And one of the very firstcouples that I treated, the wife
brought in the husband and shebrought him in because she felt
he was not the same.
He's a very sensitive man.
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I think he was a minister, avery sensitive guy, and he said
he was better on the drugs.
And she said, no, this is notwhat you used to be like.
And she said to him in front ofme, she said, you don't even
greet the dog lovingly when youcome home and he wants to jump
all over you.
And the sadness of that, and ofcourse, thinking about herself,
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she wasn't being greetedlovingly.
So it takes away the fine stuffand you won't know it, but your
friends might notice yourhusband or your wife might
notice your doctor.
I guarantee will not notice.
He's seen this again and again.
It's a part of he doesn't knowwhat it is.
He thinks it's mental illnesswhen it's the drug effect.
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That's what they do with all thedrug effects.
They're mental illness.
James Egidio (26:30):
Yeah.
Dr.
Healy had mentioned that in theinterview that I had with him
about you can actually take oneof his patients took an actual
hairbrush and you can actuallyrub someone's genitals briskly
because that's what it was aboutsexual dysfunction with the use
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of SSRIs.
And the patient didn't even feelthe briskness of the brush on
the genitals.
That's how much
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:00):
I can't verify anything like that, but I
can believe it.
James Egidio (27:03):
That's what he had mentioned.
Yeah,
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:05):
actually that sounds like a real anesthetic
effect from brain injury.
That may be,
James Egidio (27:10):
oh, he.
Attributed to the actual SSRIs,which actually gets to my one of
my questions as to how dangerousare SSRIs when someone's using
them for off label use, such aspremature ejaculation or anxiety
or pain.
Dr. Peter Breggin (27:27):
Psychiatry is so corrupt that it takes severe
adverse effects and calls themimprovement.
And so it actually pushes SSRIsfor slowing down the sexual
processes.
This is a brain injury thatcauses the slowing down.
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It's a very severe adverseeffect.
So psychiatry and the drugcompanies have gone, I don't
know how much the drug companiesare pushing this, but the
physicians and psychiatrists inparticular who lead the way have
gone from not recognizing,refusing to recognize sexual
dysfunction was occurring in 90percent of people taking these
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drugs.
It's partly neurologic and it'spartly the broader damage of not
loving, not caring.
guys forget that sex is verymuch connected to loving and
caring and you lose your lovingand caring.
So it's both a directphysiological effect on the
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system and it's also a dampeningof the emotions of love.
Now, all the patients that Ihave withdrawn from psych drugs,
one of the things that I do allof them have recovered.
I go very slow.
And at the same time, I dotherapy about you're going to be
having a lot more feelings asyou come off these drugs.
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You're going to have feelingsmaybe you didn't deal with
before, but you can do it.
You can handle them.
And I've not had anybody havepermanent adverse effects of
this kind.
But the literature and theinternet are full of not
recovering from the sexualsuppression of these drugs.
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And to give them to anybody tosuppress their sexuality, so
called premature ejaculation,which is very common in anxiety
during sex.
Very common in frustration andvery common in not knowing how
to combine sex with love.
That could be a wholeinteresting show in itself.
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But no, these guys should beseverely reprimanded for at the
least for doing this, and theyshould be open to lawsuit for
doing that kind of thing.
That is really a bad idea togive somebody a drug whose side
effects potentially permanent.
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Inhibition of your sexualfeelings and sexual
performances, both.
And to do that to somebody andnot tell them in bio ways may be
permanent, is a serious adverseside effect.
But it's a sign, again, of howcorrupt the pharmaceutical
industry is, how corruptpsychiatry is.
Psychiatry now is nothing morethan an arm of the
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pharmaceutical industry.
James Egidio (30:22):
Yeah, and it's interesting because they're
using it for anxiety as well andpain, insomnia.
I know when I spoke with KimWitsak, she had mentioned that
her husband, Woody, was placedon antidepressants for his
insomnia, which led to hissuicide.
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he Was received a sample pack ofZoloft and what three, four
weeks later, he hung himself.
Tragic, very tragic.
I
Dr. Peter Breggin (30:53):
can confirm that story.
I know that's true.
James Egidio (30:56):
Sure.
So getting to the relationshipbetween mass shootings or even
past mass shootings and the useof antidepressants among young
adults, because that's primarilywhat it mostly is young adults
that go into schools andwhatnot.
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Yeah, it's not entirely though.
Not entirely, but there's aninteresting statistic that I
pulled up just today, actually,in my research.
And this is the number of youngchildren that are prescribed
antidepressants 41 percent since2015.
What's your take on that?
Dr. Peter Breggin (31:37):
That's marketing.
In two ways.
One, it goes up because ofmarketing the drugs and it goes
up because they and I imaginethat pharmaceuticals people and
the psychiatrists all want todata on.
mental illness to go up.
So when they tell you that 20percent or 40 percent of kids
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have this or that, that'smarketing.
You must always remember whenthey tell you 20 percent of
women are depressed and that'swhy they get antidepressants.
No, it's not.
It's all marketing.
They make these data up andThere is no doubt, though, that
I'm sure that antidepressant usehas been going up.
That's marketing of it, andthat's also the fact that kids
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have been, more miserable underCOVID 19.
You make them wear masks, youmake them stay at home, acting
like they're dressed for schoolin front of a box.
And we do all these things tothem and you tell them they're
going to get COVID, they don'tget vaccinated and that'll kill
their grandparents.
It just goes on and on, but it'sall about marketing and it's all
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about hatred of children.
I believe now in folks.
Believe me, I'm a scientist.
I wouldn't be accepted more than100 times in court unless I was
very science based.
I published over 70 scientificarticles, 20 some odd books.
I tell you this because what I'mgoing to say is just so
outrageous.
I would not have ever thoughtabout it before I studied COVID.
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And that is, the people who areincreasingly governing the world
increasingly want less of us andthey want us to be more passive.
Yeah.
And what better can they do thanto go after the children, get
them hooked on street drugs?
get them because they have thesame general effects, um, get
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them hooked on psych drugs andthe worst thing that happens
when you give an antidepressantto children or you give them
amphetamines for ADHD, which isnon existent by the way, the
major correlation between kidswho get diagnosed ADHD and life
is that they're the youngestkids in the class.
Yes.
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That's how bizarre this thingis.
So they, there is a huge push inthe world today to suppress
everyone, except the elitesfeelings.
And of course, it's a big joke,but they want us to eat crummier
food.
They want us to not have anyenergy to use our cars and our
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automobiles.
They want to stick us in cities.
And we have, and they're goingto make us stay within 15
minutes of home, all thiscraziness going on, which is
about, we don't really want youaround.
Get out of nature.
We want nature.
Get out of using the energysources is barely enough for us.
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It's all about that.
And I hope it's okay James, thatI'm getting into that today.
That's
James Egidio (34:43):
okay.
I know that's your passion nowis this whole thing with these
globalists.
I know.
Believe me I put several clipsof Bill Gates, our, our friend
and foe.
And into plenty of the episodes,um, but I do want to stay on the
Dr. Peter Breggin (35:03):
and I'd love to come back by the way.
I told James folks that beforethe show started, he and I had a
show in March, which I can'teven remember because I got
COVID.
Now think about this, me, mywife and my mother in law who
live with us.
We all got COVID at the sametime.
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Without space for transmittingit to each other and the only
place that we went to outsideour home regularly where they
could expect us was mychiropractor and his office had
to shut down because of COVIDaround the same time.
So we were very sick.
And so I don't remember the lastshow with him because I was
(35:48):
actually hospitalized very soonafter.
Sure.
And yeah.
And I'll say this.
I want to say this.
This is important.
I realize that, and anotherperson might not realize it so
much, that for at least I was inthere in April, at least maybe a
month, until a month ago, Ididn't have the zest that you
see today.
I was flattened.
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I was disengaged.
I was like somebody on Prozac oron on an antipsychotic, Abilify,
or somebody on COVID.
Or somebody who had beenvaccinated, which I had not
been.
And this is the commondenominator where they want us.
Yeah,
James Egidio (36:29):
they do.
But I think we have to just pushback on all this.
This garbage and shut the TV offand go do things, get out there
and be active and eat.
They don't want any of that.
Getting back to the whole issuewith these mass shootings.
Now, were you were an expertwitness on a couple of those
cases, correct?
Dr. Peter Breggin (36:49):
Yeah.
I was a an expert witnessinvolved on the, in the middle
of one of the worst massshootings, which was Joseph
Westbecker, who back in 1994Westbecker, an older man was put
on Prozac.
by his doctor, and he hadpreviously had paranoid ideas,
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and he'd even been hospitalized.
This was another conspiracy,they, oh my god, to get into
this.
The first big Prozac trial wasfixed.
I Was the major expert, and theytried on my side to not provide
me the information I needed.
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To testify and I did not find itout till the night before when
they were all in trial and I wasfree and I went through the
records found out they had 35depots.
They'd taken giving me none ofthem and on.
And we still the case was stilla split decision by the jury for
Eli Lilly.
And then afterward it wasdiscovered that the these people
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who lost the case had gottenrich.
And the judge did a reevaluation and declared that the
case had been fixed from this,and and he said it was fixed and
they couldn't retry it oranything and it was, had to be
viewed as a potentiallyfraudulent settlement, and the
Supreme Court of Kentucky saidit was potentially fraudulent,
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so I was in the middle of that,and this man, and the they
wanted to sue the doctor, and itfailed.
As well as the drug companyinitially before the fix was set
up and I refused to sue thedoctor because he didn't have
the information at the time.
Information was being withheld.
It's the drug company.
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So that's how the case wentahead.
And the doctor the patient camein and was just doing about
usual, but was anxious or upset.
And the doctor put him onProzac.
That's what everybody was doingin 1993.
I think it was case was 94.
And the man came back a weeklater.
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And was psychotic in the officefor the first time and the doc
recognized him and he stoppedthe Prozac and said Prozac
question mark.
He was actually doing his bestfor not having any information.
And before the Prozac was out ofhis system, he went and he shot
and killed about 12 people athis place of work.
So I was the embroiled in that.
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One of the most disillusioningexperiences of my life was my
first encounter with beinginvolved in a.
conspiratorial web of fixingthings to show you how the world
works again.
The press carried the victory,which was only which was a split
thing in the jury.
I think it was like 8 to 3 orsomething like that in favor of
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letting you lay off the hook.
And so that's what got carried.
And then when the case wasoverturned, I think about 18
months later, completelyoverturned.
No major media character.
I learned about it in a legaljournal.
I Was also involved in lessdirectly, but lawsuits
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surrounding Columbine andHarris, Eric Harris.
I was hired by the family at onepoint.
of Eric Harris.
So I got to see the records.
And now if you read thenewspapers, Eric Harris was not
taking any drugs at the time.
But I have with me today, rightin front of me, the autopsy
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report.
He was taking at the time, hewas taking a drug called Luvox,
which is still used in the U.
S., but not by its trade nameanymore.
And is one of the, one of theworst of the SSRIs, if you could
say that some one is worse thanthe others, at least more in the
literature about murder andsuicide.
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And he was taking it up to theshooting, because in his blood
and in his urine, I've got it inyour urine.
It's pretty recent.
In his blood and his urine,there was they found the Luvox
and the called Fluvoxamine andthey called it a therapeutic
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level.
Is that ironic?
They didn't give the amount.
They said a therapeutic level.
So I was like, I knew that caseinside and out.
And yes, he got crazy only afterhe was started on his first
SSRI, which was it.
Another one of the group.
But then they put them on theLouvox.
And then I was involved also asa consultant in the mass
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shootings at the theater.
In Colorado.
James Egidio (41:34):
Yeah, that's the one right there where the kid
James Holmes.
It's right.
It was on Zoloft in 2012.
I guess it indicates
Dr. Peter Breggin (41:42):
and that's a little more complex.
And I actually have a note hereto make sure I get some of the
data straight.
I Participated and I wrote areport and, but they didn't go,
they didn't need me to go tocourt because he was so
obviously crazy, they thoughtthey'd do better if they just
said, look, he's absolutelycrazy and didn't add to it the
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complexity of the drugs.
Because people don't want tothink the drugs can do this,
right?
I think they got it not guiltyby reason of insanity and
without my even having totestify Yeah but I was involved
in the case and he was Actuallyput on Zoloft by his
psychiatrist who was an expertin this area, by the way, right?
so forth as an expert in this Iwon't mention her name and She
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put him on when he told her I amfeeling so violent, I'm afraid
to tell you, so I can't.
And then she put him on Zoloft.
After that, being put on Zoloftis when he started all of his
searches.
For 20 days evolving his wholemurder plot and then he stopped
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the drug, but he was by thencompletely psychotic for another
week when he committed the massshooting.
So you don't just recover whenyou stop the drug.
Most studies show that.
Many people who get psychotic onthese drugs, and that's common,
so common, there's even somestudies, they don't do them
anymore, of course.
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But what, in the beginning,people were finding out that a
third of mental hospitalpatients, acute treatment
patients, were were therebecause of psychosis from the
SSRIs.
All this was very obvious in thebeginning.
And usually, once they getpsychotic they're hospitalized.
And then they're...
Crushed, their minds are crushedwith the anti psychotic drugs,
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and they may be even, put inrestraints.
So it's a, it takes a lot tocalm them down afterwards.
So I'm sure he was still underthe influence of the drug.
And there's other things.
There's the, really interestingis the mass shooting.
I wanted to talk about this fora minute.
Involving in Reno, Las Vegas ofSteven Patek, this is everybody
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has shut up about, but StevenPatek was on a a level of Oh,
actually, and I made an errorbefore Holmes, I'm sorry, I
think I said that Harris had, Imay have said, had the blood in
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his, the drug in his blood andurine, but he did not.
I was just reviewing all thisstuff.
The man who had the drug in hisurine was Steven Paddock.
Now he killed like 50 people,some very large number, right?
And he had the metabolites ofValium in his blood and in his
urine.
And hardly anybody knows this.
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But I've got the, I managed toget a hold of the autopsy
findings and that's what theysay.
So also contributing to violenceare Valium and Xanax.
I've had cases, but it's morelikely to see a planned violence
after the SSRIs because thesedatives.
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Don't really leave you heavilymotivated to do anything, right?
So the sedatives more likely,like alcohol, more likely to be
where you get aroused in a barand you're on alcohol and you
shoot somebody.
Or you come home and you beat upyour wife or whatever.
By the way, 99 percent of theshooters are men.
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And in the school shootings,almost all of them have contacts
with mental health.
And psychiatry, whichdemoralizes them and tells them
they're biochemically imbalancedand hopeless, chronic mental
patients, basically, and theymay not be their words.
And then many of them also, butnot nearly all of them we know
were on antidepressants andsometimes on other drugs.
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BUt this case, Paddock, was thebiggest mass murder ever in our
country.
And it doesn't get any thepolice chief, the the highest
ranking policeman, at leastinvolved in the case, who was
running the case.
I
James Egidio (45:59):
know him.
I know I was still in Vegas upuntil 2020, and I'd been there
for 52 years.
And I know the police, the.
The sheriff there at the timewas Joe, he's actually the
governor now.
Joe Lombardo is who it was.
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:13):
I'm thinking of another man who is now the
police chief in the shootings inHo and the, I'm sorry.
In Maui.
James Egidio (46:20):
In Maui, yeah.
That's what I was thinking of.
Yeah.
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:23):
Yeah.
Isn't that
James Egidio (46:25):
interesting though?
Yeah, very interesting.
And it, it sounds like too thatwhat happens and maybe you can
correct me on this, but there'salmost like this manic
depressive swing on these SSRIs.
Is that correct?
Dr. Peter Breggin (46:41):
That's an aspect of it, but most people
who get manic are sodisorganized.
That they can't carry out asuccessful plan, they love to
plan, so yes, you can have atremendous amount of planning on
in mania, but usually it's veryflawed planning, and people are
caught right away, and so on andso forth, and they brag about it
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to people when they do it.
It is a manic like phenomenon,though, it's psychotic and it's
a manic like.
Basically, it's a horribleimpulse to do violence.
Sure.
Whatever is coming at it, howyou define the psychiatric
disorder that they have, itisn't disabling them enough to
keep them from shooting.
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And organize, oh no, notshooting, but to organize, to
get on and look up what theatersdon't allow guns so you can be
sure if you go in there, there'sno other guns.
I, research all this stuff thatthese guys often do.
and that's how it's differentfrom alcohol and different from
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usually Xanax.
And, I had a case where a womannever taken Xanax.
She took Xanax, came to visither boyfriend.
and saw his lover a hundredyards away and had been really
no, she had a hundred yardsaway, grabbed his gun and shot
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her from a hundred yards and hither, fortunately didn't kill
her, she recovered fully, and itwas so impulsive and out of
control, you could say yeah, butwe know why she did it, she
wanted to shoot him, but I wasable to convince the prosecution
to let this case go.
That this was, this woman hadnever done anything while in her
life.
Some of these are close calls,because they're motives mixed in
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and so on.
Yeah.
Boy, I'm all over the placetoday, I'm having a, I'm just
opening my mind on this stuffthat I haven't thought about for
a while.
Yeah,
James Egidio (48:40):
for a while.
It seems like though, these arenot very well, I guess you could
say they're planned, but theydon't seem like they're very
well planned.
A lot of these kids, from whatI.
Understand the way the mediareports.
It is that they get a hold of agun that a parent has somewhere
in a closet and they just decidein this and I want to maybe use
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the word manic state to justpick up a gun and say, I'm going
to go over to that elementaryschool and just start shooting.
Yeah, that's make a
Dr. Peter Breggin (49:11):
statement.
That would seem to characterizea number of them.
And then you brought that up.
We have the case, a terriblecase in Connecticut where the
young man did that and shot thechildren in kindergarten.
And I've seen a tape of aninterview that was done about
the shooting with the assistantattorney general of the state.
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And he was asked, was he ondrugs?
And what were they?
And he said that if I told youthen people would stop taking
the drugs.
So that's what we know.
I think that's the good data wehave.
Good, horrible data to cover upand also the fact that he let it
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slip.
And so that, that young man, oneof the worst, most atrocious
murders of all time.
Sure.
That man was on psych drugs.
And he, his mother went shootingwith him, so that's an
interesting part of that case.
He got the guns at home.
the the shooter in Florida,again, I'm...
(50:18):
Who killed a number of people,what, a year and a half ago now?
James Egidio (50:22):
Oh, it's a little longer than
Dr. Peter Breggin (50:23):
that.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
When is
James Egidio (50:25):
that?
That was about
Dr. Peter Breggin (50:26):
four years ago.
Four years ago.
I had some...
I did do a research on thatcase, too.
Just because reporters wereasking me.
But he had contact withpsychiatry as well.
And it actually made a threatthat was ignored.
Mental health people ignored
James Egidio (50:43):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, I noticed that when thesethings happen, the first thing
they want to blame are the gunsthemselves, as if the guns, just
got up and started shootingeverybody on their own instead
of really looking at theelephant in the room, which is
of course the history, themedical history, and it's, it
also seems like the media alongwith the pharmaceutical
(51:05):
companies and even the medicaljournals, those.
Yeah.
Cover this stuff up.
I, when I interviewed Kim theother day, Kim Witczak she'd
mentioned something that wasreally interesting that a term
that was used called ghostwriting, where a lot of these
articles are not even reallywritten by the so called experts
that are just written by someghost writer, somebody that they
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hire and they say, okay, this iswhat we want you to put into
this article based on this dataand that we've, done some flimsy
research on
Dr. Peter Breggin (51:35):
so it's a little worse.
You got to tell me cynical thanthat.
No.
The drug companies find somebodyto do the write ups.
That's the ghost.
The ghost is from people whohave special interests, not just
some guy that doesn't knowanything.
It's too consistent.
Some guy who doesn't knowanything could really blow the
whistle on these guys.
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That's true.
It's not that at all.
And this is done.
With many scientific, so calledscientific articles, they are
actually written by the, by drugcompany Flax, and they solicit
doctors and pay them to puttheir names on them.
It's much more insidious than,wow, than you were suggesting.
James Egidio (52:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, of course the media.
They have to cover it up as wellbecause the advertising dollars
are coming from the big, hugefrom, we saw that with COVID and
with Pfizer.
You turn on the television andeverything was sponsored by
Pfizer.
Even, Pretty much everything is,was sponsored by Pfizer.
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And I actually have a newsreport on a mass shooting that
actually shows an obvious coverup, because while we're on this
topic of cover ups and whatnot,I just want to just illustrate
how the news does that when it'srelated to a mass shooting.
Let me go ahead and just playthat now.
Abundance of
Video (52:59):
psychiatric meds being prescribed to young men to blame
for these shootings.
Team twelves, Joe Dana verified.
Hey James, when do I go on?
What's my next thing?
An attorney for the allegedshooter says he was not on any
prescription meds, that hasn'tstopped.
Speculation online, Jen and byone very prominent member of the
gun lobby from saying that ourculture is drugging kids and
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that it's to blame for thisepidemic of mass shootings.
The incoming president of theNational Rifle Association,
Oliver North, calls the scourgeof gun violence on campuses a
disease.
And the disease in this caseisn't the second amendment.
The disease is youngsters whoare steeped in a culture of
violence.
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They've been drugged in manycases.
Nearly all of these perpetratorsare male.
If you look at what has happenedto the young people, many of
these young boys have been onRitalin since they were in
kindergarten.
A host of bloggers also promotethe claim that psychiatric drugs
are fueling the behavior of manyor most school shooters.
So are they right?
A leading expert on schoolshootings, who has written two
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books on the subject, and whoeducates FBI, says there's no
known cause effect link.
There's a lot of misinformationout there.
I've not seen any convincingevidence that any of the attacks
could be attributed topsychiatric medication.
Dr.
Peter Langman has profiledschool shooters of college age
(54:24):
and younger, gatheringinterviews and autopsy reports.
Out of 51 shooters, there wasevidence that 7 of them were
recently or currently onpsychiatric medication.
mostly antidepressants.
In those cases, the meds werealready treating severe
underlying issues related tomental and emotional health.
When asked to provide morespecific evidence for Oliver
(54:44):
North's claim, the NRA emailedus a 2011 review by the FDA,
concluding that 31 psychiatricdrugs, including three used for
ADHD, had a disproportionateassociation with violence
towards others.
But the NRA could not provideevidence connecting school
shooters and psychiatric drugs.
Unless the NRA has more specificevidence, we are left to
(55:05):
conclude that this claim isfalse.
That prescription drugs, likeRitalin, are an identifiable
cause of many school shootings.
And the researcher we spoke withadded that when you look at the
lives of these shooters who weregiven meds, these were not
ordinary kids who underwent someradical transformation under the
influence of meds.
They were already struggling ina lot of different ways, and
(55:28):
that's why they were prescribedthose medications.
But Joe, you and I both knowthat there are some
James Egidio (55:33):
people who will...
So there you go, This
Dr. Peter Breggin (55:39):
is the global elite defending the billions and
billions of dollars that theyget from psych drugs, and also
the effects they get.
Which is to make us into a kindof mildly stupefied nation that
no longer will fight for itsrights.
I think the drugs havecontributed to that and that's
(56:01):
the biggest issue and I've justwritten a column about that on
Peter and Ginger Bregan'ssubstack that This common effect
that I told you about earlier,that all head injury, head
dysfunction, brain dysfunction,eventually will make us more
apathetic.
(56:22):
And I think that's a part of thehuge apathy we see in this
country.
Probably 80 percent of thepopulation gets on drugs at one
time or another.
And when we look at what's goingon at any given time, you get
data like 25 percent of women,15 percent of children, 20
percent of children, at anygiven moment on the drugs.
(56:43):
And I realized long ago thatmeans almost everybody is going
to get them at some point.
And we have now a study out ofDenmark that showed that 80
percent of people there hadtaken the drugs, and those 80
percent were in fact and theyattributed it to the drugs in
part.
We're doing much worse than the20 percent who did.
Now, there could be manydifferent variables in all of
(57:06):
that.
But there's just so much datathat these drugs are really
terrible for the brain.
In fact, the only way you canget a drug passed by the FDA is
to show that it disrupts thebrain function of an animal.
So if you give your drug X tomice and nothing happens, FDA
isn't going to let it be a psychdrug.
(57:27):
But if you give it to the animaland the animal no longer can
stand upright and falls down,that's literally one of the
criteria for anti psychoticdrugs, the animal falls down or
if the animal gets stuporous orif the animal acts more
frightened or less frightened,and then you chop up the brain
of the animal and you can provethat it's actually changing
neurotransmitters.
(57:48):
That is.
You have to prove it's aneurotoxin before they'll even
let you try to get it approved.
If you think about this is sucha bizarre world we're in this
regard.
Yeah,
James Egidio (58:00):
unless it's the vaccine, right?
The bioweapon.
Unless it's the bioweapon, thenit's okay.
Dr. Peter Breggin (58:06):
Yeah, then it's absolutely normal.
to have right now we have18,000-19,000 reported deaths in
the U.
S.
to the VAERS system for death,most of them within a few days
of the vaccine.
We used to shut down a vaccineif we Suspected a death or if
(58:28):
there was a suspectedcontaminant that might cause a
problem.
They just stopped it across theboard.
No fact, no vaccine ever hadmore than a few deaths before it
was taken off the market.
James Egidio (58:40):
Yeah.
I think it's a lot more than 18,000.
I know personally.
Oh, I
Dr. Peter Breggin (58:44):
know.
Oh, health.
No.
It's about, if it's 18, 000reported deaths, it's 1.
8 million.
Exactly.
Thank you for that,
James Egidio (58:54):
James.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I know eight people,myself personally, that, that
died suddenly from the vaccine.
And I don't know anyone, as Imentioned in many podcast
episodes, died directly fromCOVID.
None.
Nobody.
Dr. Peter Breggin (59:09):
No.
Same with us.
Same with us, basically.
Yeah.
I don't know that many peoplehave died, but I don't associate
with as many.
I'm so busy working.
Yeah.
But listen, let me tell youabout that.
Let me, let's finish up with it.
I think it's important tofinish.
Sure.
The best study done of VAERS,which is the system that
(59:29):
reports, where you can sendreports to the CDC.
So CDC that gets them.
FDA also gets them and they'reinvolved.
So you can't forgive the FDA ofany of this either because they
could take it over and say,look, all right, best study was
done for a government agencysaid less than one in 100
(59:51):
adverse effects, serious adverseeffects is getting reported on
the VAERS system.
So if we say it's 100 and youhave 18, 000 reports, that's 8,
1.
8 million deaths.
Now, I think it has to be morethan that.
Why?
Because there's huge pressuresfor doctors not to report or
(01:00:12):
acknowledge deaths fromvaccines.
If you write or talk aboutdeaths from vaccines.
You can get, you can lose yourmedical license.
You can lose your clinicalposition.
You can be threatened in variousways, huge pressures.
Furthermore, who's going toreport the deaths from the
vaccines, unlike medical.
(01:00:34):
medications.
The vaccines are given on massin parking lots.
They're given in pharmacies andall kinds of other places where
the people are just flyingthrough.
How is the professional going toeven know of a death, let alone
reported?
Sure.
The final thing is, I'veprobably been involved in 200
(01:00:56):
cases.
Or more.
300 cases or more, one way oranother, of severe violence.
No, even more than that.
I've gone a hundred times tocourt, more than that.
It's many hundreds I've beeninvolved with that have these
serious adverse events.
And none has the doctor, thenurse, or anybody involved
(01:01:16):
reported it to VAERS.
Same thing in the FDA, none ofthem got reported to the FDA,
not one, with the exception ofthe Holmes shooting, which the
drug company had to reportbecause the autopsy finally got
made public saying that it wasinvolved, that that Zoloft was
(01:01:40):
involved and the manufacturerSolvay sent a report into the
FDA.
It's the only report I've everseen to the FDA on these things.
Did you
James Egidio (01:01:48):
personally interview Holmes?
I know Dr.
Healy did.
He actually interviewed himpersonally after the shooting.
I don't recall.
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:01:58):
No?
No.
Oh, after the shooting, no less.
I don't know how we would havegot access to him.
James Egidio (01:02:04):
Not...
No, I did not.
When I say after the shooting, Imean during the proceeding of
the, him going to trial and...
Yeah.
Prior to that...
No, I
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:02:10):
don't think I got to interview him.
No?
I don't
James Egidio (01:02:13):
remember anymore.
And the other interesting thingis when I did interview Dr.
Hill, he did mention somethingthat was very interesting too
about this link between the massshootings and the
antidepressants is he says a lotof times the defense attorney
for the suspect, theperpetrator, will use that.
To get a reduced sentence forhis client or for the client.
(01:02:39):
Is that true or what?
What's?
Oh, yeah,
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:02:42):
that's my goal.
That is my goal in every case isto at least get a reduced
sentence even before we go tocourt or reduced list of crimes,
take down first degree murder.
out of the charges.
And I've done that on a numberof occasions, especially young
people.
(01:03:05):
I had a case of of a Prozacmurder in Canada, the first one
ever, and the judge and they hada clinic director testify
against me, and I'm an outsider.
The judge went totally with mytestimony and the 17 year old
actually Was he didn't allow himto be tried as an adult.
He said no, this wouldn't gowith him as a child.
(01:03:27):
And he's not gonna do any jailtime.
It's going to go to a placewhere he can be for a while and
then be released.
I had another case down southwhere a young woman, um, when an
abusive male came to the door aboy just a little older than her
actually not really under 12.
I think she was 12 and he was 13or 14.
(01:03:49):
She went and got her daddy'spistol down and fired it at him
at the door when he wouldn'tleave.
And she was charged with firstdegree attempted murder, didn't
fire.
And my testimony she got a veryreduced sentence and the judge
did not put her in jail.
So I have some successes, butalso failures.
(01:04:12):
Yeah.
People to believe this.
And sometimes it's a close call.
Let's have the judgment of thejury rather than be the expert.
Because some of these are closecalls and I'm very much in favor
of.
Not having people just say, OhBergen said the experts.
Yeah
James Egidio (01:04:30):
I, I.
I went to a high school the yearafter I graduated, it was in my
sister's class that there was aschool shooting where the
teacher was killed, the schoolteacher was killed by the
perpetrator who was, his namewas Patrick Lizotte.
In that case, in fact, they justreleased him after gosh, 39
(01:04:50):
years, 38 years, 39 years inprison in a state mental
institute, but he had someserious mental issues at the
time, whether he was onantidepressants or not, I have
no idea.
But he did, like I said, 38years of his life in prison for
that murder of that schoolteacher.
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:05:13):
One thing that's really, and I'd like to
end on this.
If I were 37 instead of 87, I'dgo until you got tired.
But nowadays I go until I gettired.
But I'm fine.
I think I have something in 10minutes to go to.
Sure, no problem.
But the idea of ramping upmental health.
In response to these issues,right?
(01:05:36):
It's crazy.
Sure.
Because even the people whodidn't weren't on drugs, many of
them through the mental healthsystem.
And that makes a young personfeel stigmatized.
Sick and they're told you have abiochemical imbalance.
You can't control yourself.
What a horrible thing to do tothe personal sovereignty and
(01:05:59):
self responsibility of a youngperson.
Psychiatry is evil in takingaway from Millions and well,
hundreds of millions of peopleover the decades, taking away
their personal sovereignty bytelling them they have a genetic
and biochemical illness whennone of them do.
In fact, as soon as we find outin psychiatry that somebody has
(01:06:19):
a physical disorder in thebrain, we send them to the
neurologist, right?
James Egidio (01:06:24):
Yeah, exactly.
I know.
And we can get into anotherwhole another episode based on
just yeah.
Transgender changes surgicallyand mentally where psychiatrists
are pushing these kids to theedge of I'd put them in jail.
Yeah, pushing them
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:06:41):
to the edge of The people who are
encouraging children to dotransgender, why not encourage
them to do suicide?
They're doing that in Canada.
Exactly.
Mutilation for suicidal youngpeople.
Yeah.
James Egidio (01:06:54):
We'll have to maybe do an
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:06:55):
episode.
Some of our best people in theworld have struggled horribly
with their gender issues, theirsuicide issues, their violence
issues as young people.
Don't mutilate them.
James Egidio (01:07:07):
And that's what they're doing.
That's what they're doing.
Dr.
Bregan, thank you so much forjoining me for this episode of
the Medical Truth Podcast.
I really appreciate your time.
Thanks.
James,
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:07:17):
it's great to be with you.
Yeah,
James Egidio (01:07:19):
absolutely.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I hope to get you back onagain.
Maybe we'll talk about theseother topics, this whole thing.
I'd be glad to.
All right.
Thank you so much, sir.
Appreciate it.
You're a
Dr. Peter Breggin (01:07:29):
gift to the, you're a gift to the world, sir.
Thank
James Egidio (01:07:31):
you, sir.
You too.
You too.
Thank you.
All right.
Bye.
Tell Ginger I said hello too.
I will.
Okay.
All right.
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