July 3, 2024 • 40 mins
This week Michael and Suzy play Shadows Amsterdam, from Libellud games, an abstract clue giving game where players guide their teams across the map to discover clues, avoid the police, and find their client before their opponents do (or the timer completes!) That's our Amazon Associates link up there, if you use it we will get some cash from it!
Instead of a wine, we taste a mixed drink this week, the Phillip Marlowe Gimlet. This sweet tart drink made of Bombay Gin and Rose's Lime Juice, with roots going back to the 1800s!
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to maple mind. I
am Michael. And I am Susie. This is
your podcast for board game reviews for couples
with a drink in hand. Yes. We are
Mike and Susie, too long time, but even
more long time married. Mh. And we just
had an anniversary. Yeah. We hit...
73.
28
years.
(00:32):
28 years. Yes. 28, 28 wonderful years.
Of
marital bliss, no conflicts. No issue has always
been lovely.
There there was 1 year we forgot.
Our anniversary. Yeah. I know. I remember that.
It was like, both of it got home
from work and we're, like... I think it
was, like the next day. Yeah. Was like,
(00:54):
we woke up were, like, didn't we thing
wasn't there something happening yesterday?
It didn't somebody work like... Or like, yes.
Somebody... Some reason
no. No We got a phone call and
like, 1 of her parents and, like, happy
anniversary and I'm like, yeah, hey. Holy sure
like, oh, yeah. That's the thing that happened
today,
That's probably when the kids were very young.
(01:14):
No. We were very sleep depressed. We were
still in Oak Park. We were still... We
didn't even have Have kids yet. So we
were all. So we had no money and
we were really stressed.
Yes.
That is how that works so But, yes,
we are here. We're gonna talk talking about
board games. Talking about drinks. They go with
board games. And today, we are
reviewing
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shadows
Amsterdam by
Label,
L.
It's on the box right there. Le end.
On Is a French game. Matthew A.
About mystery and in ent. 0LLIBELLUDL.
Hence so because it is involving
(01:55):
detectives in private dicks. Wait. This is French.
Right? Yes. It's a French game. So L.
Le.
Okay. Room. And we went to... We will
try to find French wines, but french wines,
labels and names are boring. They're all alike.
Shut sam,
but tell me the. A picture of a
house Picture of a house or a picture
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of a horse or something like that. And
they're all very. Boring.
There's no jazz to any of it so.
We went with a mixed drink today. Yes.
We did.
So we went with... The Philip Mar
Gi,
which was mentioned in the long buy, Raymond
Chandler second to last book.
Terry Len introduces Philip Marlowe to the gi.
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A real gi lit as Len explains is
half chin and half Roses
lime juice and nothing else. It beats Martini
hollow. That's what he says in the book.
It's unclear whether the gi was named after
a tool of the same name, which is
used to drill small holes or after the
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famous, surgeon
Admiral Sir thomas Gi. I'm spelled with a
double t on end. I'm going with the
the
Sir thomas because the, of the second half
of this recipe.
It just makes more sense. They they coincide
better. So I'm going dense and it's cooler.
I
actually,
(03:20):
Am I'm kinda thinking that
it could be both because if he's a
surgeon,
maybe he invented this drill
to drill holes and bones or something.
Maybe
I don't know.
And the drink. This microphone is in my
like?
And maybe, getting what what is the other
half of this? So the... Well,
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the Gi is a combination of lime cordial
and gin.
Which was used to treat sailors suffering from
sc.
Smell that. That is now we're using bomb
bomb sapphire gin
that su,
which is an aroma,
basically,
herbal.
Very herbal. Look maybe licorice.
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It is made with grains of paradise ice.
Herbal qb berries,
Casey bark,
almonds
and licorice from China. Oh, actual liquor.
So hand selected button 10.
So continuing my story. In the 18 hundreds
British Sailors fought sc with daily rations of
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lime juice. Did you know that? I did.
And
but the problem is nobody wants to drink
straight lime juice. It's So
they made it more palatable on their long
voyages by mixing it with some of their
gin.
This tangy con
eventually became known as the gi. However,
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preserving lime juice remained a challenge.
Luckily, a resourceful ship her provision named Laugh
Rose.
Came up with a solution. He invented a
method to fortify the juice,
with sugar instead of alcohol, creating a shelf
stable product.
Have you ever heard of roses lime juice
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cordial?
Roses lime juice is a standard of tiki
drinks. Yeah. I think it's it's used a
lot In fact, that... It's... Didn't the the
woman who we was at the register at
Bin when we bought this was like, oh,
I remember my grandma...
Drinking these all the time. We weekend And
she's like, I used to sneak lime juice
all the time. Yeah. A lot of these
old drinks have become more popular again. So
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This innovation not only made life tastier for
the sailors, but also paved the way for
the classic,
gi cocktail.
So here. Which Michael is now pouring into
our
frosted
what kind of glass do you have it?
Mh.
These glasses.
Nick Nora. Is that what they're called? Oh,
Nora. They're pretty. Were this about this part
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of our anniversary set? No. This is ones
we found at goodwill. Oh, these are.
They look pretty. I wish we had anniversary
set, but we don't. Anyway, so we've got
these oh. So the classic recipe is just
as you said, it's like half gen half
lime juice.
Correct. Like maybe 1 and a half ounces
is gin, 1 and a half ounces is
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lime juice. Yes. And there's been comment, you
know, there's comments that it's a little too
sweet.
This way, but since this is the way
that... Oh well, that doesn't sound sweet at
all, Jen and lime juice? Well, the way
you have the...
So the... But classically, you just... You you
pour the gin and lime juice into a
mixing glass, fill it with ice,
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stir well.
Or shake it or whatever with the ice,
and then you
strain it,
and you can serve it on the rocks
or
in a tumble glass or as we did
in the
the frosted,
what do you call these?
Coop. Coop.
Yes. I knew there was a name.
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Coop or sometimes there's style is also called
the Nick Nora, so... Yeah.
I've seen recipes
online where it's it's like
2 parts gin, 1 part lime juice. So
little little less lime.
The some of the other things that was
looking up to. 2 parts,
1 part lime juice, 1 part simple syrup.
Come come back on the lime. A little
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bit. There's also a vodka gi that 2
just vodka. But the thing is jen. Yeah.
Instead of Jim. The thing is
Jen is essentially
vodka with
aroma at it. It's a... It's more flavor.
Like a blank proof. I mean, like a
blank slate type the car. Always stop pirates
use rum.
They 2.
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I'm not sure you're getting the pirates and
these. These are sailors. Pirates okay. The British
sailors are different from Pirates So they're more
fine refined. They're more refined. From I. Is
also where we got the Gin and tonic
from is because they didn't want to take
the qui to keep away the malaria when
they were in Africa.
Invented the gin tonic. The antigen tonic. So...
Coin all around. You know, their whole solution
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was this medicine taste terrible to let's add
liquor to it. So that's, you know? At
least make it a pleasant experience. Correct. So...
Just like Mary Pop said, this spoonful of
sugar. Yeah. Fixed. That's a shot. School brandy
makes the medicine go down.
So the other other 1 I have in
here is the 2 ounce.
Fixed 3 quarters, lime juice 3 quarters simple
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syrup, and then a lime twist for a
garnish. Quarters of an ounce. You mean? Yeah.
We're going with the
standard the Raymond Chandler.
Now here to read more about raymond Chandler.
The the author.
Oh, 0, Raymond Chandler, the author. Threw me
off. Because it's called the Philip Marlowe. Yeah.
That's where. But that this is where he
mentions they say he meant they mentioned the
gi over 21 times in the book. Because
(08:41):
Really. Yeah. He must've have really liked it.
Well, it... It's...
Or he wasn't off with somebody who really
liked. Chandler wasn't a well man.
Yeah. He was even less well left his
wife died. K. So team...
More of a ring. Well,
crystal.
Okay. Sam. Okay? Let's see.
Sip on this 1.
(09:03):
Wait, did you put Syrup in here? And
that's the... That's the the lime juice.
Oh, roses.
It's roses lime. Okay. So he... That's right.
Because he there's with to, yeah. Make a
shelf stable. Yeah.
What do you think?
I like it. In know who would like
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this?
It kinda reminds mom.
Oh, my mother she's so funny.
She never drank it all when I was
a kid.
Like, not even like, into college. No. And
now she will drink anything I put in
front of her. Well, that's because it's you.
My mother and my husband has have a
very unique relationship. Why are we singing again?
(09:46):
Because I like it. If you like? Okay.
Does? Okay. It reminds me of honey.
Okay. Like, honey in lime.
Yeah. You know what if you like that.
Okay Well, I because it's got the sweet
and the aroma automatic a little bit of
the... From the
the gin flavor in the background. The texture
on my tongue. Oh it's a little syrup.
(10:06):
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the roses. Okay. The
roses that I mean, look at the bottle.
I mean, it's you can tell that's
syrup. You see. A sweet and lime juice.
Yeah. So like said, the... I've seen recipes
there's mixes on this 1 and different ways
that you can pretend.
Serve,
but the reason we want this 1 is
(10:27):
because it was mentioned in Raymond Chandler book,
the long goodbye. Mh. He actually... Some of
the other things I founded that he had
change had gone back to re edit the
book
after he discovered the gi and added the
gi to the book was
purposefully. That post print like, post, like,
proof or something like that. Mh. And then,
(10:50):
post he was raging alcoholic.
He was also...
Oh, really? Yeah. He was broke. He did
got his a late start in life.
He his reasons for being famous. He didn't
really start rate writing until his early forties.
And what happens. You know, so he and
then his wife died, he became a rate,
even deeper alcoholic and
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you know,
kinda amazing story. So he Can't ever see
that happening to anybody. Well, I mean,
Sorry.
I'm a little snarky. You are a little
snarky.
So
cool.
I don't, I've never read that book, Have
you? Raymond Chandler. I've read a... Goodbye. Yeah.
I've read a couple of a couple of
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a couple of his books, but
I think I should try that. I like
mysteries and
stuff like that.
Yeah. Oh, no. Okay. I'm wrong. So Chandler,
I was thinking Chandler also did the Thin
man Dash Ham did the thin man.
But Chandler did...
Chandler,
Philip Marlowe. Philip Marlowe. Yeah. Yeah. So what
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yes.
And again, there we have the thin man.
That was another drink we we him What
about about doing that 1. Some of the
thin man themed drinks. So mother
alcoholic. Do tell. Why?
Yeah Did we pick this drink?
I sat it already because there shadows over,
not shadows over shadows,
Amsterdam. Mh.
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Is a mystery game
in the same genre and theme as stuff
like
obscure.
Where you have 1 person on the team,
that does not talk to the other people,
but instead communicates
straight through pictures and cards. Very abstract pictures.
Yeah. This is a... Came out in 20
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18, Mh. 2 detective teams race to solve
a crime while trying to avoid police attention.
So a good rule for life, avoid the
police.
It is currently at a 6.6 out a
10 on Bo for fun and 1.25 out
of 5 for weight and complexity, which is
true. The rules are not
No. They're not hard. No. And this is...
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This also has the same
as.
Remember the 1 that's Yeah. Also has she
has got... You communications the pick pictures. Yeah.
It plays 4 to 6 players.
I'm sorry. It plays
2 to 8 players. What the hell 460,
you know what? I think 4 to 6
was, like the prime number of people to
play.
Place 2 to 8. They said, it plays
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best with 4 to 6.
I would probably agree with that. And, we
will we will get into that in a
little bit. Mh.
It is designed
by
matthew
Matthew A.
Help me French person. That's right. And who
has also done such stuff as bag of
chips,
double connect and Ina. I have seen ina
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nor before. Ina is a
it's guarding to the Great tree. It's kind
of like a... It looks like an Asian
type of
mythology game. Mh. But that one's weight is
3 out of 5.
That be a heavy duty 1 for us.
Week... I don't think we've gotten over 2
and a half for a weight. Really? On
the... 3 would be more, a lot more.
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Well, there's only 5.
Well true. But
bag of chips, ina
double
connect and
shadows of Amsterdam. Those are his things that
he has done in the artist. What's connect?
What's connect? What's connect. Double connect,
It's where you obviously where you connect your
doubles.
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Okay.
Teams spot the matching symbol of line up
their cards in this frantic party. Game. Oh,
okay. Oh, it... It looks like a friend
it's around the table behind me. Oh, you
have it? No. It looks like the same
art from Spot it game Oh, he must
be really into picture type. Yeah... I think
all of his games are very the molding
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more or the abstract type stuff. The artist
in this 1 is m 81 studio,
looking for someone, they... They're a group of
artists that have done art for things as,
mysterious Park. Ob obscure
coup or the coup were yeah. That came.
Mh. I they about 26 other things on
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or game, including echoes of,
a lot of my
expansion type items and
hex,
that I haven't thought about that game in
a long time. But
great art art reminds me kind of
it it's very... It seems French.
Aspirations? The... At... Well, in the the publishing
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company is French. Well, I'm I'm saying there's
there's a definite type of
French
illustrator
animation type thing that's seeing... There there's just
like a style from France. That comes out
of it that everything's just a little bit
horny.
What
Yeah. Kinda like, you know What? Not this.
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Game. From this michigan... There was a there
was a picture of a girl getting out
of bed with the man unconscious behind her.
There were Yeah. There there's boobs in this
game.
You may not... I see them? They're...
Well, it's not that.
So this is produced and published by
how do you say it again?
I think it's le
(16:10):
l.
Le. I'm not positive. Don't.
Please don't.
Don't put you on the spot again. Yeah.
Okay. So this is the same company that
does diced forge
that also does...
Like I said before, ob obscure
And what was the other ones that they
do? They do Dickson, which is another
family aimed We have that downstairs also.
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That's another family aimed us, sort of
match the pictures tell the story through the
pictures type. And I think it looks like
like a whole universe of
stuff for brexit exit.
So what kind of game
mechanisms sizes this have.
Will.
It's a tile
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you use tiles
to make the
map, basically.
I don't know how would you
walter map, like a modular map. Yeah.
So every game could beat is different. Mh.
In that way,
And then the...
There's coop op, of course, you can do
a coop op game. You could do,
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teams.
Like I said, there's 2 teams. So if
you have 4 or more players, you can
play 2D2 teams. If you have 2 or
3 players,
you have to play coop. There's no other
way to do it.
And since we were playing 2 player, it
was coop,
It's a deduction game, and and then, like
you said, there's a modular board. Mh. And
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you have 2 little characters that you put
on the board. 1 is a fe. Fox
girl who's driving gay
basketball.
Yeah. And the other 1 is a little
turtle. Yeah. Also driving
Yeah. Driving a little mop. Mop thingy. Yeah.
Yeah. So 1 person, the reason you can't
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play at 1 player.
1 person plays the
information.
When do you might forgot what terms they
used.
Information officer.
Officer.
And you get... Former. No. Offer information officer.
Okay. And that is the person who does
not talk.
Intelligence office. Oh, intelligence office Intelligence or.
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Not worth.
They don't even use their mouth.
I can't
button.
So anyway, the intelligence
officer
has a little,
shield
that they put a miniature of the map
behind, so the other person can't see it
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or the rest of the people on his
team cannot see it. And on that little
map, it marks
where the
evidence is on the board
where the police are.
And then you have a little token where
you can keep track of where your team
is at on the board as well. Yeah.
That mimics what's happening on the big board.
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You gotta you gotta keep the little token
on the on the mini board in the
right place though you know
where where they go.
Right. It helps. Yeah That helps a lot.
Yeah. Sorry. I was taking a sip. Oh,
it's good. Mh.
So
yeah. So when you're playing it... 2 to
3 player,
it's just... You're just 1 coop op team,
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so you're just playing against time, then you
start a timer. When you have 4 or
more people,
it's 2 teams playing against each other. So
you're you're racing. You're going as fast as
you can to find the evidence
and get it back to your client.
Hired you well, without running into the police.
If you run into the police 3 times,
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you lose. You're busted. Yeah.
And you have to find 3 pieces of
evidence before you go back and meet your
client. So that little map that the intelligence
officer, has...
There's 2 spots on there where a client
could be,
and there's several spots where there could be
evidence,
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and then
and then there's several spots where there could
be police too. Mh. And there's also several
blank spots. So when somebody lands on a
blank spot, you just say, Nothing happens,
and then you give them another clue to
try and tell them where it go. Right.
But other than that, you don't talk. You
you can tell them nothing happens. You can
tell them they found
congratulations. You found a piece of evidence.
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You can tell them oak. You've been spotted
and give them a police token. But other
than that, you're not talking. You're just handing
them picture clues. So you have little...
Tiles of pictures
that you go through. He lay 10 of
them out at a time.
If you're playing 2 teams, you're sharing those
10.
And as soon as you use 1 or
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2 of them, you can replace them from
the pile that you have. Mh. So you
always have 10 to choose from. Or you
can swipe out all 10 and reset them.
Right. If both teams agree,
then you swipe... You can get rid of
all 10 of them and just set out
10 new ones.
You can only move 1 or 2 spots
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on the board, your team.
And they know how many spaces to move
by how many clues you them. So if
you only give them 1 clue, they only
move to 1 adjacent space. If you give
them 2 clues,
they can move 2 spaces away, give they
can't both be adjacent spaces. They actually have
to move away from where they were. Yeah.
And
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yeah, that's about it. Well, I mean, it's
fun that's interesting because, like, there's times when
I was being the information or the intelligence
Or
that... What's their
I
to get you to the clue spot,
I had to get you 2 blank spots,
but avoiding the hoping that I wasn't going
to accidentally,
drop you want to a a police? Of
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the police.
You can move through a police spot as
long as you don't land there. Right. I'd
like the catch I had with yours was
you are on the spot that
half half the tokens that were 2 spaces
away were police.
Yeah. And you really do run into the
date. Danger of the mis the clue heading
to the rock spot. So you do have
to look for things like that. Like, if
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there's a bicycle on the clue that you're
handing them
and there's a bicycle
or... On the all the
spot. You hand me a car that has
a crashed bicycle on it and 1 of
the... 1 of those... Base on the board
has a car crash.
Yeah. But you're only supposed to look at
where you can move to not the far
away. But That's what I leave to that
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token. I moved to that spot.
Okay.
We've a lot of truck bowl with the...
There's a lot of a lot of picture
a lot of... Okay. Susan, and I don't
think the same. No. We do not. No.
At all. Our brains do not work the
same at all. Well and she hadn't gave
me 2 cards, and 1 of them had,
like, the colors were the same kind of
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and 1 of them had a crashed bicycle
on it, and there was a crash car,
a, a car accident scene on the board.
So I'm like, oh, there's a crash. There's
a crash. Crash. I vi remember saying to
myself. Why would she give me a cut?
That's not where she wanted to go. Why
would she give me a car car that
has something that was crashed on it. That
makes no sense? A lot of the times.
The problem is none of the clues are
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good. And you replace all 10 and there's
still no good, and you're, like, running at
of time, so you just gotta throw it
down a clue just so you move. Yeah.
The And soon as you have to you
have to move people, like I said before
you gotta move them to the
to the, nothing spaces just to get to
the clues.
So you have kinda kite them around the
board. I really feel like we contemplated too
much instead of just going off of instinct
(23:32):
and moving really fast mh. Because...
We ran out of time a few times.
We were... Yeah, ran out of time the
second to third game. Mh.
And but the second game,
the second round? Yeah. We were looking for
the... We gotten to the point where we
were looking for the the
client. Mh. At that point.
Yep. Then we ran at Ran out of
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time.
So it really is a race.
I think you have to move real fast.
Mh. That that would be my recommendation. Yeah.
And with another team, it would definitely be
a lot of fun. Well, part of the
thing with another team is some of those...
Pieces of evidence are unique.
So
if I get... If our team gets there
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before the other team, the other team
is, you know, being guided there by their
Mh intelligence officer to the same spot. They
get there. The evidence is gone. Yeah. They
get blocked off.
Now what were on the little cards, what
were the spots that had? Because there's orange
and black team?
They had the little the clue spots had
orange and black on those? So
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when you choose the map, so all the
maps had numbers on them and symbols
around the outside corners.
So when you pick a map, so let's
say you pick map number 20.
You both teams pick map number 20, and
there's a there's brown versions and orange versions
of every single number. Mh. Every single numbered
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map.
And then also on the outside of the
map, there's symbols. There's like a star a
square in a circle. So you have to
agree what number map you're going to use
and which symbol is going to be,
at what the top... What's north basically. Which
way is north on the map. And then,
but our maps are not exactly the same.
(25:18):
Got it. So some places there's evidence for
both of us. In some places, there's only
evidence for the orange. Okay. So that... So
like, the the black team would have spots
that were only black that we didn't see
that because we don't play the orange. Right.
Okay. That makes sense. Exactly.
But, yeah. I picked this up on
where to pick this up. I had
barnes and Noble. That Oh, yeah. Yeah. Got
(25:40):
barnes and noble. Mainly... And only because they
look cute.
You know? Yeah. It's got a... Like said
it's got 1 of the character. Is a
Fe fox and the other 1 is like
a...
Not a turtle. It's a bulldog.
Some sort of, like, puppy dog type thing.
Yeah. All the... There's And what do you
call that? They're all kind of ant.
Ants animals. Right.
(26:00):
A furry would like this game, but I
don't want to encourage that. Have to use
that turn. Well, that it's gonna come around
because there's a Fe Fox on there, and
there's a dog in a turtle. But, but
no it like I said, the arts fantastic.
The gameplay is really good. Will this is
it fun? How do I play for 2
players? Was it fun? It's It's okay. It's
(26:20):
not my cup of tea.
But you're not you're in the same boat
as you really don't like abstract games. No.
You like games So you like games of
definite rules. I like rules. I like strategy.
They mentioned Not overly with match.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Feature. Yeah.
I'd love this game. Like, here's the thing
(26:41):
that was like, when we played when we
played
Park. Mh.
Sophie and I, were knocking it out. We
were... Well, Sophie was the... She was. She
was the Oracle on that 1, so she
was putting down the cards for each of
us trend. Trying to get us to a
specific spot.
On,
So we were board competing against each other.
Right. Right. Yeah. And
when she put her and eye, by thing
(27:03):
have the both... We got the same brain
waves.
Actually, her boyfriend...
Got a lot of the right ones.
No shows the right ones. I think you
did better than anybody. You did the right.
Yeah. But I'm just saying the other friend.
Well...
Dyer been. No clue what he was doing.
No. Cool hate.
But he's not around anymore, So speak of
(27:25):
that,
Mention him can. So there are no expansions
to this game, but there are extra cards
that you can get on bo game geek
that they have for sale that are just
like extra.
Picture cards that you drop in there for
clues.
Is it fun? I thought it was fun.
I think Suzanne would have enjoyed it more
if there were more people,
Yeah. It's the kind of game where
(27:46):
it's better for ming. It's not like a
total party game.
Like, some party of games are just pure
luck or whatever? Yeah.
But you could get into, like, arguing about
which which spot the...
Your your team meant to send you to
this was more of a party game in,
like, a a euro game about trains in
17 81. Well, yeah. You know, that sort
(28:07):
of thing. Yeah. It's it is approachable. The
rules aren't at that tough. Once you get
into the groove of it, I think most
people would be able to figure it out
the the biggest issue is you have to
be able to connect the card to the
cards that you put out to the spots,
and sometimes that's just very difficult. Yeah. Right
we did a lot of too clue. As
(28:27):
in move 2 spaces type moves. Mh.
I wonder if we would have done better
if we'd have only done 1 clue just
to move 1 spot at a time and
move slower, but more deliberately.
Right. Because then your choices are less.
There's only
a few adjacent spots to your space. Yeah.
You can only go so many spots out.
Right. Where if you're doing 2 spots out,
(28:49):
now you've got a lot more spaces to
choose from. Oh, gosh. Which 1 do you
mean?
Did he mean this 1? Because it had
a lot of balloon in it? Or does
he mean this 1 because it has a
ball which kinda looks like a balloon and,
you know, It's like choo? That she choose
this 1 because there's is a fox. There's
a dog and a cat in this picture
and 1 card has a dog and 1
card has cat. Yeah. That was another. That
(29:11):
was when I did. And you were like,
where is the hospital? Yeah. This one's a
nurse. This one's obviously a surgeon.
They they were literally
2 characters dressed in medical gear. Yeah. And
I'm struggling. 1 had been on the map
board, and the other 1 was your clue,
then you could have
medical send you to a medical Right. But
it was 2 medical and are the ones
(29:33):
where you sent out ones had all the
exes on them.
Across the 2 cards. There were 3 xs.
And. I didn't pick up on that, but
then I sent you the... I gave you
the ones that had all the numbers on
it, and I thought for sure you would
go for the ones that had all the
numbers on it. No. That had that had
also had the xs on it.
And... It was that the same 1? And
that was the same 1, and I went
(29:53):
to the... See, I saw the x's. I
didn't think about the numbers. I saw the
he was the
the 1 on the map tile was
the slot machine and it said, 777.
Yeah. And that's where I wanted you to
go, And I went to the people looking
at the map that had the big x
in the center. Yeah. So... But the 1
I gave you had the it had the
clock, and then the other 1 had or
(30:14):
something else. That absolutely nothing for me. Yeah.
So Will is directed relationship? Yes. Yeah. I
could. Yes. It will.
Because
because... We're on the same team. I'm I'm
I How do you not understand me after
28 years.
Yeah. I am a creator. I am a
podcast. I am an artist.
(30:35):
Suzanne is into math, listens to house
organization podcasts.
And you know, so to today, you words
just reminds me of... And you ever see
that Simpsons episode where they're playing
how what's the What's the the game where
you draw that you have to draw the
words
on the on the page
and get your people to pic dictionary? Picture.
(30:56):
Playing and and Middle house's father is drawing
on there. He's like, it's dignity, Martha.
Dignity.
It's gosh and then they get divorced. So
that's right. Ne parents divorced. I sleep in
a car. Do you sleep in a car?
No. I sleep with my wife,
no. That that maybe think of that because
(31:17):
it's it's like that whole.
I don't... I
you were gonna say from Big Bang theory.
They were playing that game too. No. I
hate big bang against the boys. I I
would rather...
Chew tin foil than watch Big bang theory.
Yeah.
I
really don't like that joe, but anyway, but
another mill house thing, Dignity me... Why do
I sound like Mill house dad.
(31:39):
Because you're older. No
close to divorce.
Well directly, yes. This will definitely have a
So high probability... High probability of why could...
Court morning break... How could you not understand
that the turtle meant that you needed to
go to the rainbow.
You know, that's sort of
that sort of crap.
(32:00):
Yeah. But no. It's
it is fun though. I think it definitely
doesn't need more players. So the more players
this isn't 1 of those Yeah. 2 and
3 players you play against a... They have
an app on the on the app store.
Typically Just a timer That's the timer that
plays
siren.
Every time the police siren every time a
minute goes by. That helps a lot. But
it doesn't tell you when it... Just as
(32:22):
the same thing every... At the top of
every minute. It's not like like, 5 minutes
later or whatever he was saying friend.
Yeah. He's kinda like this.
And that
sounds got, like, Ptsd from that. Yeah. So
there we go. So fund score, How would
Would put it a fund score regularly?? Yes.
(32:43):
I have to give it a 5 for
relationship you you're not give it a 4.
If you're not careful, this could definitely turn
into a fight fun score, I would give
this a sense out of 10. Little
I would give it a 5. What? Yeah.
It's not my cup of tea. I like
a little more strategy.
Unless you said, like, a party game. Yeah.
I think we definitely need to play this
(33:04):
with. If if more people, it'd probably be
more fun. Definitely.
So last
final sip. Final sip. Has this changed? Not
at all because I just poured myself in
another 1.
M.
Still yummy? Yep.
I mean, it's not a wine. It's not
(33:24):
gonna change all lot No. I don't. But
I just wanna give a reason to drink
it and talk about it more.
It's Tasty. It's it would it would be
very good for hot. Yeah. I was gonna
say that lemon would be really refreshing. You
know what on the rocks and a tumble.
Mh. Sitting on the patio? That would be
good. You can probably even dial this up
with a little bit of
sparkling water.
(33:45):
We won't tonic water. Make it more of
like a tonic. Club soda, something like that.
I would do a club soda because I
think tonic water would be sweet on sweet
on sweet You would have too much sweetness
it? Sonic is sweet. Tonic water. That's sweet.
Club soda plain. Thank you. And I have
a different definition of sweet. Okay. Club soda,
does not have sugar in? Correct. Tonic water
(34:05):
does. Does it? It does?
I cannot think of them as essentially the
same thing. No. Tonic water's is what what
has qui in it also. Yeah.
So I think, like herbal. Yeah. Club soda
is just bubbly water, no flavor.
Okay. Yeah.
She doesn't believe me.
So
(34:26):
what have I found on Kickstarter? What have
you? Last call? Last call. Gas call everybody.
Last call. Don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay here.
What did you find on Kickstarter doctor Escape
from camp creep wood. You
by twisted branch games. Yes.
This summer going to camp is easy leaving
(34:47):
camp is impossible.
You are trying to escape. Basically, you're you're
trying to escape for on front of the
thirteenth.
Is it me or is it like...
80 percent of the new games out there
are horror related.
There's a lot of them. Mh. There's a
lot of horror related. But I... Not of
them.
We just... We'll we'll mention it later, but
(35:07):
I just got a kick kickstarter that is
a hundred percent not horror related. That's true.
So... But this 1 plays 3 to 6
players within... 45 to 90 minutes and at
16 and up.
So you choose your campers, you choose a
scenario that you have, and then you have
to explore the camp and it plays down
the tiles
like betrayal at house on the hill.
Okay. You put put on the squares to
(35:28):
build the camp basically.
You have encountered
reveal the map as you go. Right. You're
you're seeking out that you're building the camp
as you walk through it. Mh. You have
encounters and choices that you'll be making, you'll
find items like
Ou Boards and lighter,
you have skill checks and you have to
fight monsters. You got the ugly clown,
the swamp thing type of thing, and then
(35:48):
you have to get out of
the
get out of the camp.
So it is currently
backed...
Hang scroll back up, It is only 03/05/3900
dollars of its 45000 dollar goal. And it's
72 backers and 28 days to go. So
it's got 1 ninth of what it needs.
Right.
(36:09):
So it looks cool. I mean, I I
like the tile placing games where you build
the board as you play and then something
happens.
You know, it's
That was kinda like our game last week.
You would you've reveal part of the board
as you go. Yeah. And then the monsters
and things would reveal themselves. Yeah. We had
to flip over of the flip football the
tiles as we play through the dungeons.
(36:31):
This is bet why back now,
no guarantee for retail. There's no... There is
not a flip This is going to go
to retail.
The pledges,
45 dollars get you escape from camp Creek
wood with 1 copy of the game.
The counselor pledge
is the game and then a archie style
(36:51):
or Actually more of a tails from the
crypt style,
comic book jigsaw puzzle has a picture of
3 children with balloons being chased by a
Ex Wielding man.
You get a diced tray and a mother
dear plush,
which looks like a
do they call it? When you make the
Doll, you put the pins in it, a
(37:12):
Voodoo doll? Yeah. And then there's a legend
pledge where you get all that,
and you get your name in the game
manual.
Oh. That is cool. That's kinda cool. Yeah.
There is a
also a retailer pledge. You have to be
verified as a... Store to be able to
sell it at the store where we get,
like,
5 or 6. But this just started not
too long ago. It's like I said, still
(37:32):
get just under a month to Duke to
go
there's some videos that you can see on,
and getting this
up and running.
But I... It, you know, I think it's
I think it's a cool idea. I mean,
it seems to me it it reminds me,
like, said of the,
betrayal house in the hill where you build
everything out through the child. Like survival horror
game. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda reminds me of maybe
(37:54):
a little bit of
card play like psycho killer. Yeah. So...
Well, the other reason to buy it on
kickstarter would be it would cost less than
it would retail. Mh. And I think retail
is gonna be, like, a 60 70 bucks
if it makes it to retail. Right. And
right now it's at 45. So... Yeah. Definitely
check that out. Looks cool. I put the
links in the show notes.
And Suzanne, if they would like to get
(38:15):
in touch with us, what they gotta do?
Well, you can go to our website, maple
and wine dot fun.
You can leave us a,
voice mail on our big pipe link. Yeah.
You can
go to any of the social media and
look for maple and wine.
Mh.
(38:36):
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(38:57):
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Well, weird because it's like, still alive, but,
yeah, yet, it's supposed to be dead. Yeah.
It's mostly killed it a month ago and
still kind of working.
But Yeah I'd love to love to hear
from you. And if you'd like to see
(39:18):
us, we are out
at up north Trivia, every Wednesday night at
07:00
for Trivia. In Nap? In Nap,
Illinois illinois And, yeah, we have good time
there. We have about 30, 40 people shop
up every week now. Have a good good
crowd. Gets a little bo. Gets a little
loud. We have a lot of regulars. And
I'm... Doing all the trivia now. So we
have some wacky trivia that's going on. Yeah.
(39:40):
But again and it doesn't take too long.
No. You're home. You're out there Out there
by 08:30. So we're not gonna keep you
that plate. Right. So in the meantime, thank
you very much for listening.
1 more.
And we'll Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. We'll see
you next week. See you next week. Bye
bye.
(40:08):
I need a little sign that says. Say
goodbye. Take a goodbye.
You know, you just give me a look,
like, say it,
say bye bye.
I wanna go to bed.
Hello, everybody, and welcome to maple mind. I
am Michael. And I am Susie. This is
your podcast for board game reviews for couples
with a drink in hand. Yes. We are
Mike and Susie, too long time, but even
more long time married. Mh. And we just
had an anniversary. Yeah. We hit...
73.
28
years.
(00:32):
28 years. Yes. 28, 28 wonderful years.
Of
marital bliss, no conflicts. No issue has always
been lovely.
There there was 1 year we forgot.
Our anniversary. Yeah. I know. I remember that.
It was like, both of it got home
from work and we're, like... I think it
was, like the next day. Yeah. Was like,
(00:54):
we woke up were, like, didn't we thing
wasn't there something happening yesterday?
It didn't somebody work like... Or like, yes.
Somebody... Some reason
no. No We got a phone call and
like, 1 of her parents and, like, happy
anniversary and I'm like, yeah, hey. Holy sure
like, oh, yeah. That's the thing that happened
today,
That's probably when the kids were very young.
(01:14):
No. We were very sleep depressed. We were
still in Oak Park. We were still... We
didn't even have Have kids yet. So we
were all. So we had no money and
we were really stressed.
Yes.
That is how that works so But, yes,
we are here. We're gonna talk talking about
board games. Talking about drinks. They go with
board games. And today, we are
reviewing
(01:35):
shadows
Amsterdam by
Label,
L.
It's on the box right there. Le end.
On Is a French game. Matthew A.
About mystery and in ent. 0LLIBELLUDL.
Hence so because it is involving
(01:55):
detectives in private dicks. Wait. This is French.
Right? Yes. It's a French game. So L.
Le.
Okay. Room. And we went to... We will
try to find French wines, but french wines,
labels and names are boring. They're all alike.
Shut sam,
but tell me the. A picture of a
house Picture of a house or a picture
(02:16):
of a horse or something like that. And
they're all very. Boring.
There's no jazz to any of it so.
We went with a mixed drink today. Yes.
We did.
So we went with... The Philip Mar
Gi,
which was mentioned in the long buy, Raymond
Chandler second to last book.
Terry Len introduces Philip Marlowe to the gi.
(02:39):
A real gi lit as Len explains is
half chin and half Roses
lime juice and nothing else. It beats Martini
hollow. That's what he says in the book.
It's unclear whether the gi was named after
a tool of the same name, which is
used to drill small holes or after the
(03:00):
famous, surgeon
Admiral Sir thomas Gi. I'm spelled with a
double t on end. I'm going with the
the
Sir thomas because the, of the second half
of this recipe.
It just makes more sense. They they coincide
better. So I'm going dense and it's cooler.
I
actually,
(03:20):
Am I'm kinda thinking that
it could be both because if he's a
surgeon,
maybe he invented this drill
to drill holes and bones or something.
Maybe
I don't know.
And the drink. This microphone is in my
like?
And maybe, getting what what is the other
half of this? So the... Well,
(03:42):
the Gi is a combination of lime cordial
and gin.
Which was used to treat sailors suffering from
sc.
Smell that. That is now we're using bomb
bomb sapphire gin
that su,
which is an aroma,
basically,
herbal.
Very herbal. Look maybe licorice.
(04:05):
It is made with grains of paradise ice.
Herbal qb berries,
Casey bark,
almonds
and licorice from China. Oh, actual liquor.
So hand selected button 10.
So continuing my story. In the 18 hundreds
British Sailors fought sc with daily rations of
(04:25):
lime juice. Did you know that? I did.
And
but the problem is nobody wants to drink
straight lime juice. It's So
they made it more palatable on their long
voyages by mixing it with some of their
gin.
This tangy con
eventually became known as the gi. However,
(04:46):
preserving lime juice remained a challenge.
Luckily, a resourceful ship her provision named Laugh
Rose.
Came up with a solution. He invented a
method to fortify the juice,
with sugar instead of alcohol, creating a shelf
stable product.
Have you ever heard of roses lime juice
(05:07):
cordial?
Roses lime juice is a standard of tiki
drinks. Yeah. I think it's it's used a
lot In fact, that... It's... Didn't the the
woman who we was at the register at
Bin when we bought this was like, oh,
I remember my grandma...
Drinking these all the time. We weekend And
she's like, I used to sneak lime juice
all the time. Yeah. A lot of these
old drinks have become more popular again. So
(05:31):
This innovation not only made life tastier for
the sailors, but also paved the way for
the classic,
gi cocktail.
So here. Which Michael is now pouring into
our
frosted
what kind of glass do you have it?
Mh.
These glasses.
Nick Nora. Is that what they're called? Oh,
Nora. They're pretty. Were this about this part
(05:52):
of our anniversary set? No. This is ones
we found at goodwill. Oh, these are.
They look pretty. I wish we had anniversary
set, but we don't. Anyway, so we've got
these oh. So the classic recipe is just
as you said, it's like half gen half
lime juice.
Correct. Like maybe 1 and a half ounces
is gin, 1 and a half ounces is
(06:12):
lime juice. Yes. And there's been comment, you
know, there's comments that it's a little too
sweet.
This way, but since this is the way
that... Oh well, that doesn't sound sweet at
all, Jen and lime juice? Well, the way
you have the...
So the... But classically, you just... You you
pour the gin and lime juice into a
mixing glass, fill it with ice,
(06:32):
stir well.
Or shake it or whatever with the ice,
and then you
strain it,
and you can serve it on the rocks
or
in a tumble glass or as we did
in the
the frosted,
what do you call these?
Coop. Coop.
Yes. I knew there was a name.
(06:53):
Coop or sometimes there's style is also called
the Nick Nora, so... Yeah.
I've seen recipes
online where it's it's like
2 parts gin, 1 part lime juice. So
little little less lime.
The some of the other things that was
looking up to. 2 parts,
1 part lime juice, 1 part simple syrup.
Come come back on the lime. A little
(07:14):
bit. There's also a vodka gi that 2
just vodka. But the thing is jen. Yeah.
Instead of Jim. The thing is
Jen is essentially
vodka with
aroma at it. It's a... It's more flavor.
Like a blank proof. I mean, like a
blank slate type the car. Always stop pirates
use rum.
They 2.
(07:35):
I'm not sure you're getting the pirates and
these. These are sailors. Pirates okay. The British
sailors are different from Pirates So they're more
fine refined. They're more refined. From I. Is
also where we got the Gin and tonic
from is because they didn't want to take
the qui to keep away the malaria when
they were in Africa.
Invented the gin tonic. The antigen tonic. So...
Coin all around. You know, their whole solution
(07:56):
was this medicine taste terrible to let's add
liquor to it. So that's, you know? At
least make it a pleasant experience. Correct. So...
Just like Mary Pop said, this spoonful of
sugar. Yeah. Fixed. That's a shot. School brandy
makes the medicine go down.
So the other other 1 I have in
here is the 2 ounce.
Fixed 3 quarters, lime juice 3 quarters simple
(08:19):
syrup, and then a lime twist for a
garnish. Quarters of an ounce. You mean? Yeah.
We're going with the
standard the Raymond Chandler.
Now here to read more about raymond Chandler.
The the author.
Oh, 0, Raymond Chandler, the author. Threw me
off. Because it's called the Philip Marlowe. Yeah.
That's where. But that this is where he
mentions they say he meant they mentioned the
gi over 21 times in the book. Because
(08:41):
Really. Yeah. He must've have really liked it.
Well, it... It's...
Or he wasn't off with somebody who really
liked. Chandler wasn't a well man.
Yeah. He was even less well left his
wife died. K. So team...
More of a ring. Well,
crystal.
Okay. Sam. Okay? Let's see.
Sip on this 1.
(09:03):
Wait, did you put Syrup in here? And
that's the... That's the the lime juice.
Oh, roses.
It's roses lime. Okay. So he... That's right.
Because he there's with to, yeah. Make a
shelf stable. Yeah.
What do you think?
I like it. In know who would like
(09:24):
this?
It kinda reminds mom.
Oh, my mother she's so funny.
She never drank it all when I was
a kid.
Like, not even like, into college. No. And
now she will drink anything I put in
front of her. Well, that's because it's you.
My mother and my husband has have a
very unique relationship. Why are we singing again?
(09:46):
Because I like it. If you like? Okay.
Does? Okay. It reminds me of honey.
Okay. Like, honey in lime.
Yeah. You know what if you like that.
Okay Well, I because it's got the sweet
and the aroma automatic a little bit of
the... From the
the gin flavor in the background. The texture
on my tongue. Oh it's a little syrup.
(10:06):
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the roses. Okay. The
roses that I mean, look at the bottle.
I mean, it's you can tell that's
syrup. You see. A sweet and lime juice.
Yeah. So like said, the... I've seen recipes
there's mixes on this 1 and different ways
that you can pretend.
Serve,
but the reason we want this 1 is
(10:27):
because it was mentioned in Raymond Chandler book,
the long goodbye. Mh. He actually... Some of
the other things I founded that he had
change had gone back to re edit the
book
after he discovered the gi and added the
gi to the book was
purposefully. That post print like, post, like,
proof or something like that. Mh. And then,
(10:50):
post he was raging alcoholic.
He was also...
Oh, really? Yeah. He was broke. He did
got his a late start in life.
He his reasons for being famous. He didn't
really start rate writing until his early forties.
And what happens. You know, so he and
then his wife died, he became a rate,
even deeper alcoholic and
(11:13):
you know,
kinda amazing story. So he Can't ever see
that happening to anybody. Well, I mean,
Sorry.
I'm a little snarky. You are a little
snarky.
So
cool.
I don't, I've never read that book, Have
you? Raymond Chandler. I've read a... Goodbye. Yeah.
I've read a couple of a couple of
(11:34):
a couple of his books, but
I think I should try that. I like
mysteries and
stuff like that.
Yeah. Oh, no. Okay. I'm wrong. So Chandler,
I was thinking Chandler also did the Thin
man Dash Ham did the thin man.
But Chandler did...
Chandler,
Philip Marlowe. Philip Marlowe. Yeah. Yeah. So what
(11:56):
yes.
And again, there we have the thin man.
That was another drink we we him What
about about doing that 1. Some of the
thin man themed drinks. So mother
alcoholic. Do tell. Why?
Yeah Did we pick this drink?
I sat it already because there shadows over,
not shadows over shadows,
Amsterdam. Mh.
(12:17):
Is a mystery game
in the same genre and theme as stuff
like
obscure.
Where you have 1 person on the team,
that does not talk to the other people,
but instead communicates
straight through pictures and cards. Very abstract pictures.
Yeah. This is a... Came out in 20
(12:37):
18, Mh. 2 detective teams race to solve
a crime while trying to avoid police attention.
So a good rule for life, avoid the
police.
It is currently at a 6.6 out a
10 on Bo for fun and 1.25 out
of 5 for weight and complexity, which is
true. The rules are not
No. They're not hard. No. And this is...
(12:58):
This also has the same
as.
Remember the 1 that's Yeah. Also has she
has got... You communications the pick pictures. Yeah.
It plays 4 to 6 players.
I'm sorry. It plays
2 to 8 players. What the hell 460,
you know what? I think 4 to 6
was, like the prime number of people to
play.
Place 2 to 8. They said, it plays
(13:21):
best with 4 to 6.
I would probably agree with that. And, we
will we will get into that in a
little bit. Mh.
It is designed
by
matthew
Matthew A.
Help me French person. That's right. And who
has also done such stuff as bag of
chips,
double connect and Ina. I have seen ina
(13:43):
nor before. Ina is a
it's guarding to the Great tree. It's kind
of like a... It looks like an Asian
type of
mythology game. Mh. But that one's weight is
3 out of 5.
That be a heavy duty 1 for us.
Week... I don't think we've gotten over 2
and a half for a weight. Really? On
the... 3 would be more, a lot more.
(14:05):
Well, there's only 5.
Well true. But
bag of chips, ina
double
connect and
shadows of Amsterdam. Those are his things that
he has done in the artist. What's connect?
What's connect? What's connect. Double connect,
It's where you obviously where you connect your
doubles.
(14:26):
Okay.
Teams spot the matching symbol of line up
their cards in this frantic party. Game. Oh,
okay. Oh, it... It looks like a friend
it's around the table behind me. Oh, you
have it? No. It looks like the same
art from Spot it game Oh, he must
be really into picture type. Yeah... I think
all of his games are very the molding
(14:46):
more or the abstract type stuff. The artist
in this 1 is m 81 studio,
looking for someone, they... They're a group of
artists that have done art for things as,
mysterious Park. Ob obscure
coup or the coup were yeah. That came.
Mh. I they about 26 other things on
(15:06):
or game, including echoes of,
a lot of my
expansion type items and
hex,
that I haven't thought about that game in
a long time. But
great art art reminds me kind of
it it's very... It seems French.
Aspirations? The... At... Well, in the the publishing
(15:27):
company is French. Well, I'm I'm saying there's
there's a definite type of
French
illustrator
animation type thing that's seeing... There there's just
like a style from France. That comes out
of it that everything's just a little bit
horny.
What
Yeah. Kinda like, you know What? Not this.
(15:49):
Game. From this michigan... There was a there
was a picture of a girl getting out
of bed with the man unconscious behind her.
There were Yeah. There there's boobs in this
game.
You may not... I see them? They're...
Well, it's not that.
So this is produced and published by
how do you say it again?
I think it's le
(16:10):
l.
Le. I'm not positive. Don't.
Please don't.
Don't put you on the spot again. Yeah.
Okay. So this is the same company that
does diced forge
that also does...
Like I said before, ob obscure
And what was the other ones that they
do? They do Dickson, which is another
family aimed We have that downstairs also.
(16:32):
That's another family aimed us, sort of
match the pictures tell the story through the
pictures type. And I think it looks like
like a whole universe of
stuff for brexit exit.
So what kind of game
mechanisms sizes this have.
Will.
It's a tile
(16:52):
you use tiles
to make the
map, basically.
I don't know how would you
walter map, like a modular map. Yeah.
So every game could beat is different. Mh.
In that way,
And then the...
There's coop op, of course, you can do
a coop op game. You could do,
(17:14):
teams.
Like I said, there's 2 teams. So if
you have 4 or more players, you can
play 2D2 teams. If you have 2 or
3 players,
you have to play coop. There's no other
way to do it.
And since we were playing 2 player, it
was coop,
It's a deduction game, and and then, like
you said, there's a modular board. Mh. And
(17:36):
you have 2 little characters that you put
on the board. 1 is a fe. Fox
girl who's driving gay
basketball.
Yeah. And the other 1 is a little
turtle. Yeah. Also driving
Yeah. Driving a little mop. Mop thingy. Yeah.
Yeah. So 1 person, the reason you can't
(17:57):
play at 1 player.
1 person plays the
information.
When do you might forgot what terms they
used.
Information officer.
Officer.
And you get... Former. No. Offer information officer.
Okay. And that is the person who does
not talk.
Intelligence office. Oh, intelligence office Intelligence or.
(18:20):
Not worth.
They don't even use their mouth.
I can't
button.
So anyway, the intelligence
officer
has a little,
shield
that they put a miniature of the map
behind, so the other person can't see it
(18:41):
or the rest of the people on his
team cannot see it. And on that little
map, it marks
where the
evidence is on the board
where the police are.
And then you have a little token where
you can keep track of where your team
is at on the board as well. Yeah.
That mimics what's happening on the big board.
(19:01):
You gotta you gotta keep the little token
on the on the mini board in the
right place though you know
where where they go.
Right. It helps. Yeah That helps a lot.
Yeah. Sorry. I was taking a sip. Oh,
it's good. Mh.
So
yeah. So when you're playing it... 2 to
3 player,
it's just... You're just 1 coop op team,
(19:22):
so you're just playing against time, then you
start a timer. When you have 4 or
more people,
it's 2 teams playing against each other. So
you're you're racing. You're going as fast as
you can to find the evidence
and get it back to your client.
Hired you well, without running into the police.
If you run into the police 3 times,
(19:42):
you lose. You're busted. Yeah.
And you have to find 3 pieces of
evidence before you go back and meet your
client. So that little map that the intelligence
officer, has...
There's 2 spots on there where a client
could be,
and there's several spots where there could be
evidence,
(20:03):
and then
and then there's several spots where there could
be police too. Mh. And there's also several
blank spots. So when somebody lands on a
blank spot, you just say, Nothing happens,
and then you give them another clue to
try and tell them where it go. Right.
But other than that, you don't talk. You
you can tell them nothing happens. You can
tell them they found
congratulations. You found a piece of evidence.
(20:25):
You can tell them oak. You've been spotted
and give them a police token. But other
than that, you're not talking. You're just handing
them picture clues. So you have little...
Tiles of pictures
that you go through. He lay 10 of
them out at a time.
If you're playing 2 teams, you're sharing those
10.
And as soon as you use 1 or
(20:46):
2 of them, you can replace them from
the pile that you have. Mh. So you
always have 10 to choose from. Or you
can swipe out all 10 and reset them.
Right. If both teams agree,
then you swipe... You can get rid of
all 10 of them and just set out
10 new ones.
You can only move 1 or 2 spots
(21:06):
on the board, your team.
And they know how many spaces to move
by how many clues you them. So if
you only give them 1 clue, they only
move to 1 adjacent space. If you give
them 2 clues,
they can move 2 spaces away, give they
can't both be adjacent spaces. They actually have
to move away from where they were. Yeah.
And
(21:27):
yeah, that's about it. Well, I mean, it's
fun that's interesting because, like, there's times when
I was being the information or the intelligence
Or
that... What's their
I
to get you to the clue spot,
I had to get you 2 blank spots,
but avoiding the hoping that I wasn't going
to accidentally,
drop you want to a a police? Of
(21:49):
the police.
You can move through a police spot as
long as you don't land there. Right. I'd
like the catch I had with yours was
you are on the spot that
half half the tokens that were 2 spaces
away were police.
Yeah. And you really do run into the
date. Danger of the mis the clue heading
to the rock spot. So you do have
to look for things like that. Like, if
(22:09):
there's a bicycle on the clue that you're
handing them
and there's a bicycle
or... On the all the
spot. You hand me a car that has
a crashed bicycle on it and 1 of
the... 1 of those... Base on the board
has a car crash.
Yeah. But you're only supposed to look at
where you can move to not the far
away. But That's what I leave to that
(22:30):
token. I moved to that spot.
Okay.
We've a lot of truck bowl with the...
There's a lot of a lot of picture
a lot of... Okay. Susan, and I don't
think the same. No. We do not. No.
At all. Our brains do not work the
same at all. Well and she hadn't gave
me 2 cards, and 1 of them had,
like, the colors were the same kind of
(22:51):
and 1 of them had a crashed bicycle
on it, and there was a crash car,
a, a car accident scene on the board.
So I'm like, oh, there's a crash. There's
a crash. Crash. I vi remember saying to
myself. Why would she give me a cut?
That's not where she wanted to go. Why
would she give me a car car that
has something that was crashed on it. That
makes no sense? A lot of the times.
The problem is none of the clues are
(23:11):
good. And you replace all 10 and there's
still no good, and you're, like, running at
of time, so you just gotta throw it
down a clue just so you move. Yeah.
The And soon as you have to you
have to move people, like I said before
you gotta move them to the
to the, nothing spaces just to get to
the clues.
So you have kinda kite them around the
board. I really feel like we contemplated too
much instead of just going off of instinct
(23:32):
and moving really fast mh. Because...
We ran out of time a few times.
We were... Yeah, ran out of time the
second to third game. Mh.
And but the second game,
the second round? Yeah. We were looking for
the... We gotten to the point where we
were looking for the the
client. Mh. At that point.
Yep. Then we ran at Ran out of
(23:53):
time.
So it really is a race.
I think you have to move real fast.
Mh. That that would be my recommendation. Yeah.
And with another team, it would definitely be
a lot of fun. Well, part of the
thing with another team is some of those...
Pieces of evidence are unique.
So
if I get... If our team gets there
(24:14):
before the other team, the other team
is, you know, being guided there by their
Mh intelligence officer to the same spot. They
get there. The evidence is gone. Yeah. They
get blocked off.
Now what were on the little cards, what
were the spots that had? Because there's orange
and black team?
They had the little the clue spots had
orange and black on those? So
(24:35):
when you choose the map, so all the
maps had numbers on them and symbols
around the outside corners.
So when you pick a map, so let's
say you pick map number 20.
You both teams pick map number 20, and
there's a there's brown versions and orange versions
of every single number. Mh. Every single numbered
(24:57):
map.
And then also on the outside of the
map, there's symbols. There's like a star a
square in a circle. So you have to
agree what number map you're going to use
and which symbol is going to be,
at what the top... What's north basically. Which
way is north on the map. And then,
but our maps are not exactly the same.
(25:18):
Got it. So some places there's evidence for
both of us. In some places, there's only
evidence for the orange. Okay. So that... So
like, the the black team would have spots
that were only black that we didn't see
that because we don't play the orange. Right.
Okay. That makes sense. Exactly.
But, yeah. I picked this up on
where to pick this up. I had
barnes and Noble. That Oh, yeah. Yeah. Got
(25:40):
barnes and noble. Mainly... And only because they
look cute.
You know? Yeah. It's got a... Like said
it's got 1 of the character. Is a
Fe fox and the other 1 is like
a...
Not a turtle. It's a bulldog.
Some sort of, like, puppy dog type thing.
Yeah. All the... There's And what do you
call that? They're all kind of ant.
Ants animals. Right.
(26:00):
A furry would like this game, but I
don't want to encourage that. Have to use
that turn. Well, that it's gonna come around
because there's a Fe Fox on there, and
there's a dog in a turtle. But, but
no it like I said, the arts fantastic.
The gameplay is really good. Will this is
it fun? How do I play for 2
players? Was it fun? It's It's okay. It's
(26:20):
not my cup of tea.
But you're not you're in the same boat
as you really don't like abstract games. No.
You like games So you like games of
definite rules. I like rules. I like strategy.
They mentioned Not overly with match.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Feature. Yeah.
I'd love this game. Like, here's the thing
(26:41):
that was like, when we played when we
played
Park. Mh.
Sophie and I, were knocking it out. We
were... Well, Sophie was the... She was. She
was the Oracle on that 1, so she
was putting down the cards for each of
us trend. Trying to get us to a
specific spot.
On,
So we were board competing against each other.
Right. Right. Yeah. And
when she put her and eye, by thing
(27:03):
have the both... We got the same brain
waves.
Actually, her boyfriend...
Got a lot of the right ones.
No shows the right ones. I think you
did better than anybody. You did the right.
Yeah. But I'm just saying the other friend.
Well...
Dyer been. No clue what he was doing.
No. Cool hate.
But he's not around anymore, So speak of
(27:25):
that,
Mention him can. So there are no expansions
to this game, but there are extra cards
that you can get on bo game geek
that they have for sale that are just
like extra.
Picture cards that you drop in there for
clues.
Is it fun? I thought it was fun.
I think Suzanne would have enjoyed it more
if there were more people,
Yeah. It's the kind of game where
(27:46):
it's better for ming. It's not like a
total party game.
Like, some party of games are just pure
luck or whatever? Yeah.
But you could get into, like, arguing about
which which spot the...
Your your team meant to send you to
this was more of a party game in,
like, a a euro game about trains in
17 81. Well, yeah. You know, that sort
(28:07):
of thing. Yeah. It's it is approachable. The
rules aren't at that tough. Once you get
into the groove of it, I think most
people would be able to figure it out
the the biggest issue is you have to
be able to connect the card to the
cards that you put out to the spots,
and sometimes that's just very difficult. Yeah. Right
we did a lot of too clue. As
(28:27):
in move 2 spaces type moves. Mh.
I wonder if we would have done better
if we'd have only done 1 clue just
to move 1 spot at a time and
move slower, but more deliberately.
Right. Because then your choices are less.
There's only
a few adjacent spots to your space. Yeah.
You can only go so many spots out.
Right. Where if you're doing 2 spots out,
(28:49):
now you've got a lot more spaces to
choose from. Oh, gosh. Which 1 do you
mean?
Did he mean this 1? Because it had
a lot of balloon in it? Or does
he mean this 1 because it has a
ball which kinda looks like a balloon and,
you know, It's like choo? That she choose
this 1 because there's is a fox. There's
a dog and a cat in this picture
and 1 card has a dog and 1
card has cat. Yeah. That was another. That
(29:11):
was when I did. And you were like,
where is the hospital? Yeah. This one's a
nurse. This one's obviously a surgeon.
They they were literally
2 characters dressed in medical gear. Yeah. And
I'm struggling. 1 had been on the map
board, and the other 1 was your clue,
then you could have
medical send you to a medical Right. But
it was 2 medical and are the ones
(29:33):
where you sent out ones had all the
exes on them.
Across the 2 cards. There were 3 xs.
And. I didn't pick up on that, but
then I sent you the... I gave you
the ones that had all the numbers on
it, and I thought for sure you would
go for the ones that had all the
numbers on it. No. That had that had
also had the xs on it.
And... It was that the same 1? And
that was the same 1, and I went
(29:53):
to the... See, I saw the x's. I
didn't think about the numbers. I saw the
he was the
the 1 on the map tile was
the slot machine and it said, 777.
Yeah. And that's where I wanted you to
go, And I went to the people looking
at the map that had the big x
in the center. Yeah. So... But the 1
I gave you had the it had the
clock, and then the other 1 had or
(30:14):
something else. That absolutely nothing for me. Yeah.
So Will is directed relationship? Yes. Yeah. I
could. Yes. It will.
Because
because... We're on the same team. I'm I'm
I How do you not understand me after
28 years.
Yeah. I am a creator. I am a
podcast. I am an artist.
(30:35):
Suzanne is into math, listens to house
organization podcasts.
And you know, so to today, you words
just reminds me of... And you ever see
that Simpsons episode where they're playing
how what's the What's the the game where
you draw that you have to draw the
words
on the on the page
and get your people to pic dictionary? Picture.
(30:56):
Playing and and Middle house's father is drawing
on there. He's like, it's dignity, Martha.
Dignity.
It's gosh and then they get divorced. So
that's right. Ne parents divorced. I sleep in
a car. Do you sleep in a car?
No. I sleep with my wife,
no. That that maybe think of that because
(31:17):
it's it's like that whole.
I don't... I
you were gonna say from Big Bang theory.
They were playing that game too. No. I
hate big bang against the boys. I I
would rather...
Chew tin foil than watch Big bang theory.
Yeah.
I
really don't like that joe, but anyway, but
another mill house thing, Dignity me... Why do
I sound like Mill house dad.
(31:39):
Because you're older. No
close to divorce.
Well directly, yes. This will definitely have a
So high probability... High probability of why could...
Court morning break... How could you not understand
that the turtle meant that you needed to
go to the rainbow.
You know, that's sort of
that sort of crap.
(32:00):
Yeah. But no. It's
it is fun though. I think it definitely
doesn't need more players. So the more players
this isn't 1 of those Yeah. 2 and
3 players you play against a... They have
an app on the on the app store.
Typically Just a timer That's the timer that
plays
siren.
Every time the police siren every time a
minute goes by. That helps a lot. But
it doesn't tell you when it... Just as
(32:22):
the same thing every... At the top of
every minute. It's not like like, 5 minutes
later or whatever he was saying friend.
Yeah. He's kinda like this.
And that
sounds got, like, Ptsd from that. Yeah. So
there we go. So fund score, How would
Would put it a fund score regularly?? Yes.
(32:43):
I have to give it a 5 for
relationship you you're not give it a 4.
If you're not careful, this could definitely turn
into a fight fun score, I would give
this a sense out of 10. Little
I would give it a 5. What? Yeah.
It's not my cup of tea. I like
a little more strategy.
Unless you said, like, a party game. Yeah.
I think we definitely need to play this
(33:04):
with. If if more people, it'd probably be
more fun. Definitely.
So last
final sip. Final sip. Has this changed? Not
at all because I just poured myself in
another 1.
M.
Still yummy? Yep.
I mean, it's not a wine. It's not
(33:24):
gonna change all lot No. I don't. But
I just wanna give a reason to drink
it and talk about it more.
It's Tasty. It's it would it would be
very good for hot. Yeah. I was gonna
say that lemon would be really refreshing. You
know what on the rocks and a tumble.
Mh. Sitting on the patio? That would be
good. You can probably even dial this up
with a little bit of
sparkling water.
(33:45):
We won't tonic water. Make it more of
like a tonic. Club soda, something like that.
I would do a club soda because I
think tonic water would be sweet on sweet
on sweet You would have too much sweetness
it? Sonic is sweet. Tonic water. That's sweet.
Club soda plain. Thank you. And I have
a different definition of sweet. Okay. Club soda,
does not have sugar in? Correct. Tonic water
(34:05):
does. Does it? It does?
I cannot think of them as essentially the
same thing. No. Tonic water's is what what
has qui in it also. Yeah.
So I think, like herbal. Yeah. Club soda
is just bubbly water, no flavor.
Okay. Yeah.
She doesn't believe me.
So
(34:26):
what have I found on Kickstarter? What have
you? Last call? Last call. Gas call everybody.
Last call. Don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay here.
What did you find on Kickstarter doctor Escape
from camp creep wood. You
by twisted branch games. Yes.
This summer going to camp is easy leaving
(34:47):
camp is impossible.
You are trying to escape. Basically, you're you're
trying to escape for on front of the
thirteenth.
Is it me or is it like...
80 percent of the new games out there
are horror related.
There's a lot of them. Mh. There's a
lot of horror related. But I... Not of
them.
We just... We'll we'll mention it later, but
(35:07):
I just got a kick kickstarter that is
a hundred percent not horror related. That's true.
So... But this 1 plays 3 to 6
players within... 45 to 90 minutes and at
16 and up.
So you choose your campers, you choose a
scenario that you have, and then you have
to explore the camp and it plays down
the tiles
like betrayal at house on the hill.
Okay. You put put on the squares to
(35:28):
build the camp basically.
You have encountered
reveal the map as you go. Right. You're
you're seeking out that you're building the camp
as you walk through it. Mh. You have
encounters and choices that you'll be making, you'll
find items like
Ou Boards and lighter,
you have skill checks and you have to
fight monsters. You got the ugly clown,
the swamp thing type of thing, and then
(35:48):
you have to get out of
the
get out of the camp.
So it is currently
backed...
Hang scroll back up, It is only 03/05/3900
dollars of its 45000 dollar goal. And it's
72 backers and 28 days to go. So
it's got 1 ninth of what it needs.
Right.
(36:09):
So it looks cool. I mean, I I
like the tile placing games where you build
the board as you play and then something
happens.
You know, it's
That was kinda like our game last week.
You would you've reveal part of the board
as you go. Yeah. And then the monsters
and things would reveal themselves. Yeah. We had
to flip over of the flip football the
tiles as we play through the dungeons.
(36:31):
This is bet why back now,
no guarantee for retail. There's no... There is
not a flip This is going to go
to retail.
The pledges,
45 dollars get you escape from camp Creek
wood with 1 copy of the game.
The counselor pledge
is the game and then a archie style
(36:51):
or Actually more of a tails from the
crypt style,
comic book jigsaw puzzle has a picture of
3 children with balloons being chased by a
Ex Wielding man.
You get a diced tray and a mother
dear plush,
which looks like a
do they call it? When you make the
Doll, you put the pins in it, a
(37:12):
Voodoo doll? Yeah. And then there's a legend
pledge where you get all that,
and you get your name in the game
manual.
Oh. That is cool. That's kinda cool. Yeah.
There is a
also a retailer pledge. You have to be
verified as a... Store to be able to
sell it at the store where we get,
like,
5 or 6. But this just started not
too long ago. It's like I said, still
(37:32):
get just under a month to Duke to
go
there's some videos that you can see on,
and getting this
up and running.
But I... It, you know, I think it's
I think it's a cool idea. I mean,
it seems to me it it reminds me,
like, said of the,
betrayal house in the hill where you build
everything out through the child. Like survival horror
game. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda reminds me of maybe
(37:54):
a little bit of
card play like psycho killer. Yeah. So...
Well, the other reason to buy it on
kickstarter would be it would cost less than
it would retail. Mh. And I think retail
is gonna be, like, a 60 70 bucks
if it makes it to retail. Right. And
right now it's at 45. So... Yeah. Definitely
check that out. Looks cool. I put the
links in the show notes.
And Suzanne, if they would like to get
(38:15):
in touch with us, what they gotta do?
Well, you can go to our website, maple
and wine dot fun.
You can leave us a,
voice mail on our big pipe link. Yeah.
You can
go to any of the social media and
look for maple and wine.
Mh.
(38:36):
Leave us a message. Leave us a review,
share with a friend,
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(38:57):
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Well, weird because it's like, still alive, but,
yeah, yet, it's supposed to be dead. Yeah.
It's mostly killed it a month ago and
still kind of working.
But Yeah I'd love to love to hear
from you. And if you'd like to see
(39:18):
us, we are out
at up north Trivia, every Wednesday night at
07:00
for Trivia. In Nap? In Nap,
Illinois illinois And, yeah, we have good time
there. We have about 30, 40 people shop
up every week now. Have a good good
crowd. Gets a little bo. Gets a little
loud. We have a lot of regulars. And
I'm... Doing all the trivia now. So we
have some wacky trivia that's going on. Yeah.
(39:40):
But again and it doesn't take too long.
No. You're home. You're out there Out there
by 08:30. So we're not gonna keep you
that plate. Right. So in the meantime, thank
you very much for listening.
1 more.
And we'll Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. We'll see
you next week. See you next week. Bye
bye.
(40:08):
I need a little sign that says. Say
goodbye. Take a goodbye.
You know, you just give me a look,
like, say it,
say bye bye.
I wanna go to bed.
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