EP200: The Final Experiment, Satellite Hoax, and more with Flat Earth Dave and Kenny Williamson

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Music. Hello, this is Kenny and welcome

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back to another episode of Mckill's Deck Chronicles.
This is your one stop shop here for conspiracies from coast to
coast. So what we have here today is a
podcast. We've got a little interview
with Dave, Flat Earth Dave from Flat Earth dave.com.

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I've talked to him in the past and we had a pretty good
conversation about Flat Earth. This one, we talked just a
little bit about some of the things that's been going on in
the Flat Earth realm, if you will, where some people went
down to Antarctica and apparently saw a 24 hour sun,
which most people think cannot happen on a Flat Earth.

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So there's been a lot of lot of go back and forth between on
this and you know, doesn't affect me either way.
I'm still a flat earther, no matter what they think they saw
or whatever they did see. But Dave has got a video coming
out about that where he can showwhat they did to fake it.

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So that's going to be very interesting.
So anyway, in this podcast we talked just a little bit about
some of that and some other FlatEarth stuff.
So, you know, give it a listen. Let me know what you think.
Give me an e-mail, whatever, butlet me get this thing started
and here we go. I'm glad you're here.

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Thanks for coming on again. Thanks, Jenny.
You're. Welcome.
And obviously we talked. The last time we talked, like
you were saying, I was a beginner.
I had found you through some resources and watched hundreds
of videos, and I'm a Bible believer anyway.
And then when I really got to delving into the Bible, I

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believe that the Bible teaches it as well.
So of course, I'm 100% sold on it.
Yeah. So we talked and we talked about
it and I did some stuff and thenI ran with it.
And one of the things I wanted to talk to you about this time
is, well, just everything in general.

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But I noticed one of the things that came up that's really big
right now is that the final experiment thing that went on.
And I've, I've watched people goback and forth and argue and
they're still saying people are lying about what happened over
there. And of course, I don't know any
of the people that went over there.

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You do. And personally speaking, it
wouldn't matter to me what they found over there because I
didn't know anything about what they were looking for to begin
with. I was a flat earther before they
went down there and I'll be a flat earther no matter what they
say they found or what they did find.
It doesn't mean anything to me. So.

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Well, that's funny you should say that because we agree.
It's not. I was the one that was supposed
to go on that trip, and I turnedit down because it was just a
false dichotomy. You know, the final experiment.
It's not an experiment. It's an observation of the sky.
It doesn't prove anything other than our understanding of the
sky, but right after the recording of this, I'm releasing

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a video with Marty Leeds at the top of the next hour about how I
think everyone down there was duped.
I think this was a mass of NASA operation and they faked the sun
in the sky. They didn't have shills, they
didn't have liars, they didn't have green screens, they didn't
have a studio. They were in Antarctica.

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And all of the flat earthers andmaybe even some or probably even
some of the globe earthers, definitely some of them were
also fooled. How about that?
Right. Well, I, I remember you saying
that and that possibly there wassome gigantic thing going on
there. And The funny thing about that

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is I watched a video a pastor, Dean Odell, I think is is his
name. He said.
I think he said the devil responsible for the son.
Yeah, he's, he was like, you know, I mean, of course he has
no way to prove it either way, but he's like.
If the If he's talking about thedevil as in Will Duffy, maybe.
Right. Yeah.
So it's like, well, he said if, you know, if, if this really is

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a big course, he's like me. He thinks it's a biblical
conspiracy and Satan is behind it.
You know, Satan's behind this whole everything there is, you
know, to do with the globe and all that.
And he really wants to get some people down there and get
somebody tricked. You know, it's no big deal to
have key players down there that, you know, we don't know

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what they're doing down there. Everything's secret.
They've supposedly done all kinds of weather manipulation
and stuff down there. So if you were gonna be, if
there was any place you could godown there and project something
in the sky or manipulate the weather.
So it's. Perfect that that'd.
Be the place to do it, because there's nobody.
There, let me tell you, let me tell you how they sigh up people

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into thinking that wasn't possible.
When you are new to Flat Earth and you Google Flat Earth, you
get the image of the disk in space with the water falling off
the edge. And then you look at that and
go, oh, Flat Earth is stupid. And you never look at it again.
That's that's called a red herring and and you rule out
Flat Earth. And that's what they hope.
You know, people will just say, oh, Flat Earth is so stupid.

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Look at that. So they did the same thing.
This is an operation, in my opinion, that's been going
ongoing for years, at least fourmaybe, maybe a lot more.
And this wasn't just something apastor at a random church
thought up, you know, grassroots.
This is a NASA operation, like the moon land thing, but it's a

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billion times easier than the moon landing because the moon
landing, the launch and everything they had, the entire
world was watching television cameras, people camping, parks
still with people, stadiums, right?
People were everywhere. What do they have here?
They got three people in a remote desolate area that's
controlled by NASA. What do we know about NASA?
They lie, they cheat, they deceive, and they're here to

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hide the Flat Earth. That's that's the purpose of
NASA. So what they did is they a few
years ago they released, they leaked sun simulator, the sun
simulator, which is a whole bunch of light bulbs together
and it supposedly simulates the sun.
Now, even if they they probably do have ways to float that up in

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the sky, the, you know, anti gravitics or any electrostatic
levitation stuff. But with today's optics and
stuff zooming in on that thing, it's not going to look like the
sun. You know how you going to do
sunspots? How you going to, you know,
basically if you look at the sunsimulator and use your mind,
you're going to go, that's stupid, it's not going to work.
Therefore they don't that you just throw out the idea that

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they were faking the sun. They're faking the sun another
way. And my video that's coming out
literally in one hour from now, it's going to show you how.
OK, well that that'll be a good video.
I'll, I'll link that to my website.
Well, yeah, well, that's what I thought.
I, I saw the videos, I've watched them and I've watched
the people go back and forth andit kind of split some people up.

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And, you know, some of the flat earthers that I was following
are calling some of the other flat earthers liars.
And, you know, some of them are if they, if they agree with you,
they're lying. They're saying you're lying
because you're, you know, and it's like, I mean, I I believe
that they could have been duped the same as what you're.
Saying they were they were totally duped and you know,

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then, you know, so here's the thing, innately, all of the
people that are freaking out, they know that there's a
deception going on. But because they had the red
herring of the sun simulator, they've ruled out faking a sun
in the sky. And so they're going after the
only other way. Well, that means that people are
in on it, you know, when they'relooking for anomalies and
they're finding anomalies that they don't understand.
They don't understand that when you have packed snow in

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Antarctica, it's you're not going to leave a footprint in
many cases, you know, and so they had footprint gate and then
they have a stitch gate where they're like, look, there's a
stitching line in the sky that must be the edge of the screen.
No, that's just the 360 camera stitching, which it does in
hundredth of second intervals, you know, and then they're like,
oh, Austin, vape gate, right. Well, vape gate.

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The, the story was that he was not in Antarctica.
Well, he was in Antarctica. He knew he was in Antarctica and
he was perplexed at people didn't believe it.
There's no reason for him to fake, you know, being there if
he's actually there. And it was all proven later and

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up, you know, shadow gate where Mctoon walked across and his
shadow grew in length. I was like, oh, that is
interesting, right? So I, I brought my wife outside.
I made the same camera movement,had her walk the same way he did
and her shadow tripled in lengthin three steps or seven steps,
right. So all of these things I saw, I
made videos not supporting the globers, not supporting TFE, but

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showing flat earthers. Hey, you're going to make us
look stupid. All of this stuff is going to be
revealed as nonsense and you're going to make us look stupid.
So I made videos trying to stop them.
That's what I did. And people just turned on me
like vicious animals. But you know what?
I held my ground and I'm being proven right and people are
apologizing and. And now after this video comes
out, hopefully the ones that have gone down this road or

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fakery Amazon studio green screens, they have the the the
not too much of an ego where they're willing to say, OK, hey,
I was right that there was a deception, but I was wrong on
how they did it. And if everyone focuses on what
I'm presenting in one hour from now, I think that we're going to

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destroy the globe again. Show that they're fakers and
liars. Right.
Well, I mean it, I mean logically speaking, this
deception has been going on all the way back, you know, Jesuit
type things, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
years ago. And this is something that, you

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know, is, I believe, again, is asatanic deception to get people
away from God. And they're not going to let a
group of people go down there and prove their whole theory
wrong. About this, there's yeah,
there's government installationsdown there, there's educational
installations down there, there's astronomers down there.

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And in all of these decades, none of them have produced 24
hour sun except one guy that works for Nat Geo who faked Flat
Earth. You know who did a fake Flat
Earth experiment? You know, they edited footage.
We caught them red handed. He works for them.
He works for Ala and then a bunch of propped up globbers

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bring they're the ones that, youknow, bring flat earthers down
there to to show the 24 hour sun.
It's pathetic. I mean, they're they're the
amount of evidence is overwhelming.
It's so obvious and hopefully people will see see it, because
everyone was looking everywhere except everywhere for fakery
except up at the sun. They were looking at the ground,

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they were looking at the breath,they were looking at the people.
They're looking at the plane, they're looking at the
controllers, they're looking at the globies.
They weren't looking at the sun.That's where the fakery was.
So your video is going to kind of show that.
Totally exposing it. Good, good.
Well, I remember watching it as it went around.
Some people had pointed that it looked squished.

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You know, it would go down and get squished and then it would
come back. You know we.
Addressed that. Yeah, we addressed that.
So I'm sure there was a high level of fakery going on.
I mean. Certainly is.
Of course, I'm a what people would call a conspiracy theorist
and you know, you've got high levels.
Analyst. Analyst.
I mean, there's high levels of that stuff going around.

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I mean, you know, I'm sure you've seen it.
I saw it the other day. It, it had to do with our
withdrawal, you know, the government's withdrawal, I
guess, from Afghanistan, you know, and it showed the the
airplane and all the people holding on to the airplane and
supposedly they fell to their deaths, right?
And it shows the airplane and you look at the airplane in the

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video. It's a fake airplane.
It's like it's. A giant model.
I don't know why they did that. Like, I mean, yeah, I mean,
there's crazy. There's nothing in the engine.
The engine is hollow. You can see that.
You can see the windows are painted on.
You can see it's a giant model and they're obviously pulling
it. And there's people running along
beside it. And it's like, OK, if that thing

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was really throttling up, those people up there would get sucked
into the engine and the people behind there would get blown
back. But it's like.
I know. Why would somebody go to that
much trouble to make a giant fake airplane?
You tell me, man. And if if you're willing to do
that and post it all over the news and you've still got like

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the guy that's on, you know, theone of the conspiracy guys,
whatever his name is, the big guy, that's always, I think you
were a guest on a show one time.Alex Jones, yeah.
Alex Jones, he was showing it the other day, you know, saying
yeah, we're blah, blah, blah, blah, and shows that same video.
And it's like, dude, you're showing a fake airplane, but
you're not saying it's fake, you're pretending it's real.

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He's like, turn your head aroundand look at your video.
You're showing a fake airplane pretending it's real.
Listen, so I've been on Alex Jones twice and because of that,
there's so many conspiracy analysts out there who are
really conspiracy theorists and they say anyone that gets on
Alex Jones is a shell. No, anyone that gets on Alex
Jones is interesting and a hard worker.

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I mean, maybe there are some shills on there, but I'm not.
And, and when I and whether whatever I think of Alex Jones,
you know, whether he is 100% controlled, partially
controlled, not controlled, doesn't matter.
I got on there and I had my segment with Eddie Bravo was the
highest live viewed audience they've ever had.
So we reached more people in that one broadcast where Alex

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was acting like a total ass hat.But we got enough information
out where I got thousands of emails from people, thousands of
emails. And you know, that show alone
woke up more people than probably any other show I've
ever done. So, again, people can think what
they want, but, you know, we canuse anyone's platform to reach

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their audience. Doesn't matter who the host is,
You know, like, hey, CNN, total control.
If they wanted to have me on, I'd go on, right?
But, you know, probably their audience is tiny compared to
Alex Jones's. So you know, got my lift.
Yeah, I agree with that. Somebody has said, you know,
that, you know, all these peoplein a group together and you

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can't get on the group and, you know, and the whole thing and
they're all fake liars. And it's like, hey, they may be,
I don't, you know, like Roseanne.
I, I don't know. But you know, if she invited me
on the show and wanted me to explain what I was doing, I
mean, I'd be happy to do it. Yeah, do you get the?
Exposure and say hey, come to come to my ministry website, you
know? Everyone loves playing the clip

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of her on some night show, and she goes, well, yeah, you know,
I made the deal with this, with the devil for fame because I
wanted fame. Maybe she did.
Yeah. Doesn't affect me.
You know, maybe she did. Maybe she broke that deal.
Maybe she's paying for it. Who knows?
But she wanted me on the show. She was generally interested.
Her son was interested. They now have my Flat Earth
compass behind her son. Every time the camera cuts to

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him on every show, you see a Flat Earth compass.
It's amazing. And so, you know, again, you
know, the people that say that that's, you know, proof of, I
don't know what it's proof of. It's proof that I'm a hard
worker and I got on a big show. So that's what it's proof of.
Right. I agree.
I don't, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Yeah. So I mean, yeah, well, I'm

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trying to think if there's anything else, anything new.
Of course I put a little book out, Flat Earth Bible, which you
put on your app and everything which I appreciate.
Oh, that's right. That's your book.
Nice. Yeah, that's right.
That's right. I got the connection.
It's a great book. You wrote the little intro to
it, and so I did that. That's awesome.
That's in the biblical section and on the featured page, I

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believe on the app. So yeah, hopefully more and more
people see that over time because, you know, printed books
are the way to go because I think that all of our electronic
stuff is going to be highly censored more than it is now in
the near future. I agree.
Yeah. And it's it's one of those
things. It's the same thing as like baby
pictures. I was thinking about this years

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ago. You know, when you first you had
all these pictures and you've got this big box of pictures you
can flip through and look through, and then they're like,
oh, don't, don't print off thosepictures anymore.
Here, take it on this digital camera and you can store it.
Well, that stuff's gone. You know, it's like the stuff's
like, OK, where'd that chip go that had all those thousands of
pictures on it? I don't know.
Or where'd that disc go? You.

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Gotta look at it, it's gone. It's good and bad to everything.
Look at all the people, their houses that are burning up in
California, they lost everythingexcept their cloud photos are
still available. So they didn't lose their
photos. So there is there is benefits
and you know to everything. It just depends on how you use
it. Well, I guess you're, I guess
you know, you're right about that now, like on your iPhone or

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whatever you do, you can upload it to the cloud and back it up.
You know, I remember initially when I was taking pictures of my
daughter, you know, there was nosuch thing as that.
Yeah. You know, and they're just, if
you didn't have a hard copy and then something happened to your
disk or your computer fried or something that you had all these
pictures on, it's just gone. I'm.
I'm all I'm a big fan of not using the cloud, but the cloud

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actually works. It works because eventually, you
know, who knows what's gonna happen with the cloud.
The other thing is I reckon I highly recommend people when you
get a series of pictures, go on vacation, whatever, get a
printed book there. There's so many places online
you get high quality books that'll last hundreds of years.
So you get them. You print out 100 page book,
it's laid out, it's beautiful, the paper is amazing.

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It's you know, and the hardcoverbook and you start saving these
books and then you give them to your kids and the grandkids and
the great grandkids and they're going to have this record that
is that is just amazing. So again, you know, everyone
should do that with their pictures.
You should just once a year, once a quarter, depending how
many pictures you take, print out a hardcover high quality

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book. You know, there's all different
services to do that. They just mail them right to
you. I've seen that, yeah.
And, and the paper is amazing. You know, it's not going to
just, it's not going to crumble.It's going to last hundreds of
years. Well, you know, I'm, I'm really,

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really interested in seeing yourvideo.
That's going to be interesting, I think, because I, you know, I
follow a lot of flat earthers and I've been doing a lot of
studying on it. And a lot of people are, are
really smart on the subject. And I know, I know that you're
not, I think you've said it before, you're not really you,
you try to do the science aspectof it.

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They're both, I, I mean, becauseI know the science works for
everybody. The biblical stuff only works
for people that are biblical, correct?
I agree with that. But yeah, but you know, once you
understand what this place is, you can like, you know, this and
that. And, but, and it's also in the
Bible. There's a lot of truth in the
Bible. It's an amazing, you know,
historical scientific book. So again, the earth is not a

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lumpy rock floating in space surrounded by smooth curved
water, surrounded by high pressure air, adjacent to a
empty void of no pressure calleda vacuum, Right.
That is ridiculous, stupid, impossible.
You know, the people in Narnia laugh at our, at our global
model. It's so it's, it's Dumber than
Narnia. And you know, there's people

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that will defend it because they're either just completely
ignorant, possessed by satanic forces, or they're just stupid.
You know, I mean, I'm just being, it's the truth.
And by the way, I used to be oneof those people.
I was one of them. I was until I took the I'm an
effort to educate myself. Yeah, I was too, for many, many

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years. Yeah, so we were all there, you
know. So when when we're, you know, we
you got to be kind to innocent ignorant globbers, right?
It's the it's the, it's the, it's the anti flat earthers that
will never ever concede anythingthat believe we land on the moon
that believe that, you know, it's it's condensation coming

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out of the back of airplanes that believe that the thing you
stick in your arm is good for you.
You know, they believe all the nonsense.
They all, you know, carry the same line and they also believe
there is no God, right? So all of that together just
shows you what you know, where these people are coming from.
And then when you actually use your brain, your common sense,

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and stop listening to nonsense, you, you realize your true
potential. And that's what that's what they
don't want. They don't want people living to
their true potential. Right.
Well, I know, and I think you'vesaid this before.
It's like a litmus test. You can give somebody it the
first, the question you can ask them is do you believe we landed

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on the moon? Now, if they if they say, well,
of course we did. And then you don't dare.
If you say, well, do you, you know, are you all about getting,
you know, medicine for diseases you don't have?
And they're like, yes, you, you,you're an uphill battle right
there. You.
It's over. There, it's over there.
I, I move on from that point, but I'll tell you something, the

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truth. When Flat Earth first started
and we were all, you know, before Google Hangouts and
everything, we were just on Skype having all night calls
with, you know, people that are pretty big flat earthers now.
And we'd be talking this and that, you know, And then I was,
I would literally like, I'm in this group.
We're talking all night. And then someone mentioned the
moon landing. And I said, wait, we didn't go
to the moon. And the entire thing just

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they're like, what to the moon? I'm like, yeah.
And and they're like, have you looked into it?
I'm like, no. And then literally it took me 10
minutes to go holy crap. And that, that was, that was
quite early on in my truth journey.
But you know, I, I, I kind of came in backwards.
Normally people find the moon landing fake and then find Flat

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Earth. I did it backwards because I'm
dyslexic. I think maybe because I have
Listhexia. Well, I I've wondered about
that. Of course I've never believed in
the moon landing. I've always thought it was fake.
But I never even considered thatspake or that that space was
fake. I never considered that and it

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wasn't until the Flat Earth theywere hiding the moon.
Landing, Yeah, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Yeah, just saying, I just. I just never, I never put the
two and two together. And then after I put two and two
together and realized the firmament and the Flat Earth and
the whole 9 yards, then I went back and I've, I've listened to,
like I've done a couple of podcasts with Bart Sabrel, you
know, and he's the moon denier, you know, and he's got the, I

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mean everybody in their videos, he believes in the globe.
Though he believes that the the pilots were in low Earth orbit.
It's interesting, you know, thathis funny thing happened the way
to the moon where he got the leaked footage of of, you know,
where they were using the windowinsert.
So I believe that that was givento him on purpose because this

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is for the people that are halfway in between people that
are realizing the moon landing was fake, but aren't flat
earthers yet. So if they if they, if they,
they get caught up with Bart Zabrel, they'll be like, oh,
they were faking the moon landing through the window, but
they were in orbit. Therefore, in the back of their
head, Earth is still a globe. But they faked the moon landing,

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right? They were just in orbit over a
globe and that's all they care about.
They don't care whether you believe went to the moon or not.
They just don't want you to knowthat we're at the center of
creation, right? Yeah, the moon is probably,
yeah, irrelevant compared to thewhat?
The grand scheme of things, The whole picture.
Yeah. So, so you, you get in the video
and it shows the porthole on thespacecraft.

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And then they say, you know, hey, we're high enough up you
can see the Earth, but, you know, we're close enough you
can't really see it. So we're going to pretend the
porthole is the Earth and we're going to put a piece of paper
over it to show the shadow. And so when you get really
caught up in that, you're like, we'll see we're in space, but
they're just faking it. They're just faking the moon

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landing. And then when you really step
back, it's like, wait a second, so you you believe the moon
landing is fake. OK, I got you in there.
But you believe in the Van Allenradiation belt.
You believe in everything else as if it's 100% true.
We just didn't go to the moon. It's like now we it goes way

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beyond that, right? You know.
So the whole moon landing. Thing was done to hide the Flat
Earth. That's why it was done.
You know, people like are interested in Antarctica, like
no, no, no, look up here. And a bunch of Freemasons went
to the moon. So look at all the different
space agencies. They're all working together.
NASA controls the whole thing, in my opinion, and they're

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faking rockets every other day. They're doing all of the stuff.
Think how big of a how of an operation that is.
All the people that they have tofool all, you know, the the
employees there that they have to fool.
Some of them are, you know, there's a lot of
compartmentalization. I have lots of stories about
that. But but all of that is to make
you believe in outer space. And you know, they're going to

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use it as, you know, aliens unite the world, one world to
order. It's not, you know, it's not
just about hiding a Flat Earth. It's about achieving their goals
of A1 world government and one world religion and everything.
But it's huge. Well, TFE the final, you know,
expedition, we call it. It's not final.

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It's not an experiment. It's just, you know, a psyop.
It's as big as the moon landing,but it's a billion times easier.
A billion because they got threepeople, you know, maybe 10, in a
desolate location controlled by NASA.
And all they did was they faked the sun circling in the sky.
It's not. It's actually old technology.

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It's old technology. It's simple.
And you know, people have been psyopped into thinking that
that's it's not possible. It's ridiculous how easy it is.
Yeah. And that's.
Really all they had to do, I mean, I mean, everything else
down there, all they really had to do was say, hey, look,
there's a sun out for 24 hours. They, they didn't have to fake
the weather. They didn't have to fake the

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humidity, nothing. They're just like, hey, you're
standing in the middle of nowhere in basically in in the
Antarctic desert down here. This is the far as you can walk.
You're not allowed to go anywhere out of this area.
It's off limits. And so look up, look up real
quick. OK, you see it, There you go.
You got it. You're done.
Go home then. And The thing is.
There are some biblical models that can explain it.

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The the star rotation definitelycan be explained.
The sun rotation, it's, it's a little more difficult.
It might be a little bit of a stretch, but the way you had to
look at it is on a Flat Earth, we have a small, local, non
physical apparent sun that we see and it circles around the
earth and we understand how it moves.

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We look at my clock, wherever the sun is, it's noon.
You can call somebody that's underneath the sun, say it's
new, and the Suns over them. So that's that's proven.
The question is what happens when you go outside of the edge
of Antarctica? What do you see?
Now, if they see a circling sun,let's say the sun was real.
Johanvy has his model, his biblical model.

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Hey, it makes a lot of sense. It explains how light comes
there. It also could explain how a
bright spot goes around. But I think you wouldn't be able
to notice that it wasn't the same sun that we normally see.
But there are other other even far out models that it could be,

(29:20):
right. So, so you have all of those
options in the Flat Earth sun. Well, if you're going to say
that light in the sky that circles around Antarctica proves
around a globe, you have to say that that light in the sky is
93,000,000 miles away from Earth.
It's in a space vacuum, uncontained.
It's helium and hydrogen that have so much mass that it has

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gravity. And it could hold on to Pluto.
It could hold on to Jupiter and Saturn and Mercury and Earth.
But it ignores all of the moons in between, right?
Because our moon comes around the Earth towards the Sun
doesn't go faster. And when it goes away from the
sun, it doesn't go slower, right?
So the Sun's gravity made of helium and hydrogen that defy
gravity in a space vacuum, that can't happen because it defies

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every law of physics. It burns 640 billion tons of
helium and hydrogen every singleday, but it never gets any
smaller. And nothing's refueling it,
right? You have to believe in that.
And say the. Motion of that in the sky
determines the shape of the ground that we've measured a
million different ways to Sunday.

(30:28):
It's. The dumbest thing I've ever
heard. I agree, yeah.
And so you know if somebody. Brings up TFA and they don't
want to believe that they faked the sun.
Just explain to me how you have helium and hydrogen.
How much helium and hydrogen do you need before it collapses?
Rather than violently fill the available space when you have a

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pressure difference, If you havea box of air in a vacuum and you
make a hole in that box, if it didn't explode already, it's
going to violently fill the available space, right?
And then they say that, oh, gravity is holding the air down.
What right we say? Clouds going left and right at
the same time? Different layered clouds going

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in opposite directions? How's gravity holding the air
down? Well, you know it.
Obviously it doesn't take very long, if course I'm on X and
other places. But it doesn't take very long if
you're a flat earther to get somebody to come up and say
something so ridiculous and off the wall.
You know, you can imagine. I'm sure you've heard it all the

(31:32):
globe. Religion is a strong one.
It is. And so I had got on a
conversation with somebody here while back where they were
talking about these airplanes flying and all this stuff.
And they're saying, Oh yeah, this, this proves it's a globe.
And I have a commercial pilot's license myself.
And so I told them that of course they they started, they
rattled off some kind of equipment and it was the name of

(31:55):
a machine, OK, that supposedly is in these airliners and it.
We're talking about a gyro with pendulous veins.
I don't know. I mean, I know what a gyroscope
is, and I know what gyroscopic rigidity in space is.
And I even have an old gyro out of an airplane and you can ramp

(32:15):
it up and you can move it aroundand it stays level.
It stays level. No matter what, yeah, in space,
rigidity in. Rigidity in space is the key,
the plane. Turns left to right or dives
over the earth and goes, you know, 90° down, halfway around
the earth. the IT would be sideways, it would be pointing
upwards from your orientation. It would show it doesn't change.
It doesn't change ever. And then they say, well, the

(32:37):
pendulous veins. Well, the pendulous veins were
added, you know, in the recent, recent past there.
What about the gyros before that?
The pendulous veins don't. I think that's just how they
recalibrate themselves. But it, it's, it's all stupid.
It's all just the toughest stuffever.
On my app in the frequently asked questions, there's a gyro

(32:59):
section, I think, or maybe it's in the airplane section there.
There's all sorts of videos on that.
Yeah. And well, The thing is like this
guy, he, he argued with me and he said, well, this is in these
planes, yadda, yadda, yadda. And he, he tried to describe
something, he named something. He didn't, he didn't call it
that. I said, I've never heard of it.

(33:20):
He said, well, how can you be a commercial pilot?
Then I said, well, I didn't say I fly an airliner across the
ocean, OK, I didn't say that, but I have a commercial pilot's
license. And he's like, well, you would
know that, you know, blah, blah,blah.
And I said, well, no, I got my commercial pilot's license in a
Cessna 172. Let me ask you a question.
Ridiculous, I've ever heard. You're flying to an.

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Airport and let's say you're flying to 30,000 feet and you're
100 miles from the airport and it's now time to descend.
How do you calculate your descent to the airport?
Well, in a Cessna for example, Imean you would, well we, you
know, I don't know, of course, number one, you wouldn't fly

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30,000 feet in a Cessna, number one.
OK, so how it was. 10,000 feet and you're 100 miles.
So how do you calculate your descent rate?
Well. Obviously when I went to school
at Spartan School of Aeronautics, you know, you've
got your, your, your map, your sectional, and it tells you the
different areas you can fly in and what you can't fly in.

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And of course you're going to fly E you know, let's say you're
going east +500 or West +500. So you know, aircraft don't hit
each other, but you generally once you get so many miles out,
you just start slowly descending.
You know, you don't descend at any fast rate percent.
Well, you have to calculate. You have to make a calculation

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to figure out how many feet per minute.
Like if you're if you're at 10,000 feet and you want to come
down at an even rate and not have to nosedive at the last
second, you got to drop a 1000 feet or 100 feet per minute,
right? 100 feet per minute, or 1000
feet every 10 minutes, every 10 miles, Right. 100 feet per mile,

(35:03):
100 feet per mile, or 1000 feet for every 10 miles.
Right. They get that right.
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
You, you could do that. I mean you it's kind of the
pilot's discretion, depends whatyou're doing, but but a pilot.
On a major airline flying a 3040thousand feet, they have to
calculate how fast they need to drop.
So you know, they, they have to drop, they want to do it

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smoothly. I, I speak to some commercial
pilots and they're like they, they like to start like 125
miles out because they want to come down really slow so the
passengers don't feel uncomfortable.
So when they do their calculation, OK, 124 miles out,
I got a drop at X number of feetper minute or per mile to to,

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you know, have a smooth landing without having to nose dive to
get to the runway at the last second.
The problem with that is nobody uses spherical math.
They use linear math and they just say, OK, if I'm at 10,000
feet and I got, you know, 10 miles to go just for a number,
it's 1000 feet per mile. I have to drop.
But that's a pretty fast drop. And, and, and then they'll get

(36:08):
there. The problem is from 125 miles
out, there's 2 miles of curvature, right?
So unless they calculate, they're going to be two miles
too high when they get there. Unless they calculate.
And nobody calculates for curvature now.
Now all you're calculating is above ground level.
I mean you. You.
Have your, you have your altitude, which is like MSL, but

(36:30):
you also have your AGL. So when you're in a small
aircraft like getting your commercial license, you're going
to be flying around at four, 5000 feet.
And when you come in, you know you're going to enter your
traffic pattern at 2000 feet or 1000 feet or you know, 2000 feet
AGL above ground level. And so once you enter the
pattern, then you start slowly descending and you turn on your

(36:53):
final approach. If you're too high, which I have
been hundreds of times because I've got about 800 hours, you
just slip. You know, you, you push the nose
down a little bit, you turn yourailerons to the left, you push
in your right rudder and you slip it in and you lose altitude
quick. Yeah, of course.
You're not, you know, obviously you don't have passengers back
there when airplanes are. Flying at cruising altitude, you

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know, jetliners their nose up like 2-3 degrees.
Yeah. So a little airplane you.
Trim it up. Yeah, yeah.
But the the the earth is dropping away at a mile per
minute, so so you're. Above ground level should start
increasing within an hour. You.
Should be 80,000 feet. Yeah, but it does.
OK, no it doesn't cause the. Earth is flat.

(37:36):
Airplanes fly over the Earth plane straight and level and and
see that's. What I was trying to tell this
guy, I'm like, look, you get into 172 and you head out over
state of Kansas or Oklahoma's where I went, you know, Oklahoma
out there by the Panhandle is flat.
Of course I wasn't the Panhandlein Tulsa, OK.
But you know, I mean, you, you trim that thing up at 5000 feet

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and you trim it. You just take your hand off the
wheel, you know, if you want to,and it'll set there and fly
itself. There's not any electronics
doing it. It's a trim tab.
And there's really no electronics telling you you're
at your attitude. It's a, it's a, it's a gyro.
It's a gyroscopic thing that youhad to manually set once it came
up to speed. And it's like, and you just hold

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it there. If you were really, if the earth
was dropping away, you're above ground.
You know your AGL would continueto get higher and higher and
pretty soon you're no longer at 4000 feet above ground level,
right? And the.
Only time that means anything like that is like if you're
flying and you say, well, I knowthere's a big hill up here and

(38:38):
according to my little map here,it's at 2000 feet.
So when I fly, it'll still be 2000 feet below me.
That's the only thing you'd everconsider is your highest
obstacle on your route. That's the only thing you need
to worry about. But and he's like, well, you're
not a commercial pilot because commercial pilots, like I said,
you're, you're, you're misunderstanding.
You're you're saying jet airliner going to China.

(39:00):
I'm talking about when this whenthis guy that you're claiming
has these commercial license gota commercial license.
He went to a regular school and he flew around in a single
engine airplane. That's the only way you can
afford to get a commercial license.
So when you're taking your commercial test, it's in a
little single engine airplane, OK.
And and that's what I'm saying is these gauges and stuff don't

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calculate anything for any curvature.
It just doesn't happen. You can fly across the whole
United States in a little airplane and never calculate for
a thing. They I don't even believe you
have a commercial license. You don't know what you're
talking about because the machine does all that for you.
And I'm like, there is none of that machine in the 172 or a 152
that the people actually learning in to get their

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commercial. There's no such thing proves,
you know. Proves let Earth everything.
Proves let Earth nothing that proves to go hope.
It's, it's just. It's just.
Your understanding of how we see, how we measure things, you
know, and all the you know it. It just takes a little common
sense to understand it. But people just want to believe

(40:05):
nonsense. They've been indoctrinated
before they can think. They want to go along with the
group think authority, you know,because it's changing.
But the most of the people in the world think to earth is a
globe. But that numbers are going down
fast. They're going down fast.
And I think this year, you know,unless there's a great reset or
something, I think that everyone's going to figure it

(40:25):
out. Well, I don't know if you saw
the deal that was posted when TikTok got banned there briefly,
that it was like the highest thing that's being searched for
on TikTok. It was like in the billions of
searches was flatter. Yeah, now they change.
The algorithm though, and it's alot of people aren't getting to
serve the Flat Earth stuff. You know, I think that TikTok
ban was actually just a change of servers.

(40:47):
It looks like they changed over they're now on the meta servers
and they change the algorithm. So it's it's getting a much more
censored that doesn't. Surprise me?
Well, let. Me ask you this.
Real quick, this is back of course to the, you know, Flat
Earth firmament thing. I had read a thing where they
were saying years ago the, the government when it came to

(41:09):
satellites, you know, of course,I obviously most of them are
probably just on balloons. They were saying that they had
thought that the government had somehow was attaching these
different things, reflectors andthese.
Using air. Quotes satellites, yeah.
To the firmament that they have things attached, that is, that

(41:31):
is. Possible, but I'm actually
premiering a video that you know, and I've, I've talked to
her, I've, we've done videos on this in the past where project
fish balls when they were shooting missiles up at the
firmament and when you hit the firmament with a missile, I
think they can even do with lasers.
I'm not sure, but it, it, it literally electrifies that spot

(41:55):
and it has these amazing properties and the light and it
stays there for decades, right. And when you, when you shoot a
beam at it, a signal at it, it'll send that signal back
directly where it came from, no matter what I you know, it hits
to that and it also send it off at another angle.
And so that's exactly what a satellite would need to do.

(42:16):
And so that and that this whistleblower in the satellite
business who who was talking about this, he said that the as
it D charges over the decades, it's not like a linear thing
where it gets weaker and weaker and weaker.
It just D charges and then all of a sudden it stops working.

(42:37):
It doesn't like stop working a little bit, it'll become weaker.
It just goes to the point where it stops working.
So now we have all of these mystery asteroids that are
coming between US and the moon. And he speculates that they may
need to start shooting up at thefirmament again and then it
would be something that could beseen so they can claim that

(42:58):
they're deflecting asteroids coming in.
I also, he didn't mention this, so this is just me.
All the Elon Musk rockets that are going up, the ones that look
like they're scraping the firmament, maybe those are up
there charging the firmament also for reflect the signal.
I know that there's in the 80s. Was it in the 80s?

(43:19):
Yeah. My father lived on a little
island in the Caribbean and he had like a 15 foot dish on his
roof that actually moved. And there was 5 or 6 or seven
different spots where you can pick up a dozen channels.
He would move it and all of a sudden, bam, there's a dozen
more channels and bam, there's adozen more channels.

(43:40):
And it was picking up a signal from the sky.
So I think that's exactly what they're doing.
Just have it's being transmittedfrom somewhere to that spot.
You point your your dish at thatspot and that's it.
That makes more sense than balloons.
Imagine trying to keep a balloonover a directed, you know, dish.
Not going to be easy to do. Yeah, that that does make sense.

(44:03):
If, if that thing could reflect,you could have a ground based
type satellite thing and you could just aim it at one area in
a region. And then when you go to
somebody's house and set up their satellite and they say,
oh, we're, we're aiming this in space.
Well, you're just aiming it at the reflection point on the
firmament. So technically, I guess that's

(44:24):
space, but it's not a satellite in space like they're claiming
and you know what I'm saying? So they're just, they're just
doing a reflection here and back.
Yeah, there's. A lot of deception.
You know what people say. What about Starlink?
I've seen them go over well, Starlinks are about the size of
a grown man, each one, right? And so you could probably fit, I

(44:46):
don't know, 1520 grown men inside a 747 engine.
If it was, if it was hollow. When you watch a 747 at cruising
altitude of seven miles, you can't see the engine.
You can't see it. That's at 7 miles.
These Starlink satellites, whichare 120th the size of an engine,
are 350 miles up. That's if they're directly above

(45:09):
you and we're seeing them with our naked eye.
No, no, no, sorry. You're seeing something.
I don't know what they're doing.Maybe, you know, maybe they're
drones, maybe there's some othertechnology.
Maybe they're just a deception to make you think that Starlink
works. Starlink does work and is
working off of the firmament if you ask me.

(45:31):
I mean, I wondered how they were, how they're pulling it off
'cause you know, you, you get the Starlink.
My neighbor had it up here and it's a box and you just set it
outside and it's like, well, is it really getting something from
the satellite, the sky, or is itjust getting radio waves?
So check this out I. I actually think that Starlink
is using airplanes because think, think about it, Airplanes

(45:53):
are only 5 to 7 miles in the sky.
They're everywhere. They have all of the Wi-Fi
equipment, they have everything on there.
They have a power source. They can be serviced on a daily
basis. They're they, they have
everything. Like look at them like a cell
tower. A cell tower needs electricity,
needs to be serviced. It needs to know where it is.
Well, airplanes have all that. Airplanes are flying cell towers

(46:16):
and, and so the higher up cell tower is, the bigger the surface
is. Well, a cell tower 5-7 miles
tall that would have a mighty big range.
So we can pretty much say that there is airplanes everywhere in
the Northern hemisphere at all times.
So always one within Starlink's arrange.

(46:37):
Even in the, in the in, in Antarctica, there's enough
planes close enough by at that, at the height needed to pick up
that signal. And it, it, it makes, if they're
not doing that, it's stupid. You know, I was on a flight to
Mexico and I was on a live chat.I'm in.
I'm downloading and uploading videos.

(46:57):
I mean, the surface was amazing.I had my airplane mode on.
I'm connected to the airplane's Wi-Fi.
And it said, you know, let your friends know that you're
connected via satellite. So that means that they are
playing my signals going to their router.
They're sending it a minimum of 350 miles up into space, 350
miles. And then that tin can up there
that doesn't have a power sourceis sending it back down past the

(47:21):
airplane to a cell tower. That's the official story.
OK. First is why don't the airplane
just send it to the cell tower? Yeah, that would make more.
Sense it is no it. Doesn't make more sense.
It's the only thing that makes any sense.
Yeah, that. Yeah, I mean the airplane is
doing the transmitting. It's transmitting it to a land

(47:41):
based, yeah, a tower. Why transmit it to a tin can
that's floating in space above you?
350 miles away minimum. Right it.
Makes no sense, you know that? That actually reminds me of
something a friend of mine triedto get me into a while.
It's been a couple of years ago,but he had, and I'm sure you've
seen these things. It's, it's like a tracking

(48:03):
device is what it is, I think. I think the Apple tracking
device is the same way now. But basically you bought this
little box and you put it on. If you've got Wi-Fi like I have,
that's always on DSL, you just put this little box up with an
antenna and you have to buy it. But what they were saying is
when somebody drives by and they're running this app,

(48:25):
whatever this app is, it would ping off of your thing, off of
your little antenna and you would get like a couple cents so
you could make money, you know, as these people are bouncing
off. And I said, well, what is it
exactly? And he said, well, it's a way to
track these different things andhow it's doing it is it's doing
it because if enough people haveit in an area and they all have

(48:49):
those little antennas up, it's about, it's basically the, the,
their Wi-Fi and their Internet'swhat's providing its
connectivity so they can pinpoint where it is based off
where it's touching these people's Wi-Fi stuff.
And so, and he said they're, they're doing this trial thing
and you'll, you'll get paid for it to where whatever they're

(49:11):
going to do with it, which who knows what they're going to do
with it. You know, they can make a
tracking device. And it's we, the citizens that
are supplying the whole infrastructure and everything
and the connection on our own stuff.
And you know, and it's tracking us in the process.
It's the same thing. You know, you put the thing on
the airplane that does the work for you.

(49:33):
The airplane's already in the air.
Well, you got 10,000 airplanes in the air.
Well, there's your Starlink whenthe Ukraine.
War started, Elon Musk said. I'm shutting down Starlink over
the over Ukraine. You know why?
Why 'cause they had a no fly? Zone no airplanes.
No Wi-Fi? There you go.

(49:53):
That makes. Perfect sense.
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, like I said, I
know they can do it with your own simple little router and
your own Wi-Fi at your house. And and then I got to looking
into those air tags, you know, like the Apple comes out with so
you can find your stuff and you,you read the detail on it and it
pings off people's iPhones. It pings off of.

(50:15):
IPhones, anyone that has Bluetooth on it picks it up.
Yeah, it just picks their location.
Yeah, it's amazing. It works well, yeah.
So I mean. If if you can do that simply
with and people are it's gettingpinged off their iPhones and
they don't even know it in theirback pockets.
You can imagine what you do if you said no, I really want to
throw this up and I've got 740 sevens in the air, thousands of
them, airplanes everywhere and towers everywhere.

(50:39):
I mean, you know, you fire up a couple of 747 engines, you know,
you can power probably a pretty big piece of equipment in the
back. You know, like, really.
Send out some signals. Yeah.
And here we're doing it with a battery in something the size
not much bigger than a silver dollar.
And it's pinging off people's iPhones in their back pockets

(51:00):
and tracking things. So it's, I think it's very
possible that's that's exactly what they're doing.
There you go. It's on a larger scale in.
The satellite section on the frequently asked questions page
of my app, Flat Earth, dave.com.If anyone wants to learn more
about what we're talking about, there's an I have my app there
and I also have the crash course.

(51:20):
Just watch the crash course and you too can lose the respect of
your family and friends. Yeah, and I have that app.
It's a pretty good little app and it's got a lot of stuff on
there you can click on that you can't find anywhere else.
So it's Yep, I. Tell people just watch the daily
video every day where you have your coffee or tea or whatever
you have in the morning and and within two weeks you'll be a

(51:43):
full on flat earther guaranteed.I can agree.
With that, yeah. And I've got some people I have
sent over there and tried to getthem to watch a couple things
and it's either Pride won't allow it or I'm not.
I'm not exactly sure won't. Tell them that that the the I'm
offering three bitcoins. If they take my challenge, they

(52:06):
have to watch the daily video every day for two weeks.
At the end of the two weeks if they have a globe proof, they
win 3 bitcoins. That's not 300 grand. 330 grand.
Say they're up to 100 and some odd grand now, yeah.
So that should motivate them. And if they're like, well, no,
I'm not going to do anyway, thenthey're not interested in
learning. You know, there there's, you
know, you have to use your mind.A lot of people don't want to

(52:28):
use their minds. Whatever the easy way.
The easy way is to say it's stupid, I'm not looking.
That's easy. That's easy.
Yeah, you don't. Have to actually think, and a
lot of people don't know how to think.
They only know how to memorize and regurgitate and, you know,
repeat what they hear. Yeah, and and what I've run
across is a lot of people like, what does it matter anyway?
I've still got to go to work tomorrow.

(52:49):
I don't care. I don't care what the shape of
the earth response. That I said the same thing.
They just don't care and. It's like it doesn't affect me
any and it's like what it does. That's the biggest case of
Stockholm syndrome ever. And, and I have AI have a guy
that I talked to and I, I went to a party and it's about a
Bible thing and I, I read stuff.And of course he says, I

(53:10):
misunderstood it. And so this other guy chimes in
and he says he's a non Bible believer.
He doesn't believe in the Bible.He doesn't believe it was
written, you know, by God, anything like that.
And he's he gets in an argument with this guy, this Christian
guy, and says, he goes, look, the Bible teaches Flat Earth.
He goes, I don't know why you don't believe it.
And so this guy says, well, you don't believe it.

(53:31):
He says, because I don't believethe Bible.
He's like, but it clearly, if I was to believe it, he said it
clearly teaches it. I don't know why you can't see
that. And it was interesting to have
basically an atheist arguing, saying the Bible teaches Flat
Earth to a guy that's a Christian.
He read the same verses. He's denying that it teaches
Flat Earth. And so I've got a Christian guy

(53:53):
and an atheist arguing with eachother about it.
And, and they're the ones that brought it up.
I didn't even bring it up, whichis funny because, you know, you
think I would bring it up, but I, I, every time I go to these
different family functions and stuff, it's like, well, if you
bring it up, Kenny, you know you're going to get attacked
immediately. But the truth will set you free.
Fear will keep you lost in theirmatrix.

(54:18):
Well, what I, what I initially did is I just didn't, didn't say
anything. And if they asked, I would talk
to about, talk to them about it.And the last few, you know,
through the Christmas and holidays and all that, the very
first thing they do is want to bring it up.
And then they won't let then they won't stop talking about
it. But the you know, they have to
say, Hey, now, now you're wrong about this and explain this and

(54:38):
explain that. And it's it's kind of like one
of those things. I saw a meme.
I guess it was where they're like, if if a glober ask you
anything about it, they'll say, I want you to explain everything
from history, the moon and stars, how everything works in
perfect order. And if you can't, if you're
wrong on one thing or don't know, you don't know nothing.

(54:59):
It's like. You're asking me?
Stuff that even the scientists don't know.
How am I supposed to know that? The globe has been falsified
many times and falsification is independent of replacement.
Yeah, so it's interesting. So.
All right, man. Anything else?

(55:21):
Well, I don't think. So I appreciate your time.
Yeah, no. Problem.
Thanks. And anybody listening, take the
Bitcoin challenge to 11 proof that we live on a globe and you
win. But before you do it, you got to
click the Frequently asked questions section on the app and
make sure your proof hasn't beendebunked there, because it

(55:42):
probably has. And.
They can find all your info information at Flat Earth Dave
dot. Com yeah follow my socials there
and just you know, just start watching some of the stuff on X
Flat Earth Dave X all of them are linked on Flat Earth
dave.com and I'm. Here to tell you it's a good

(56:03):
website. You can learn a lot on there.
Yep. And it's up to you.
You're, you know, if you're now,if you listen to this podcast
and still think the Earth is a globe, that's called willful
ignorance, right? Not a good place to be, no.
No, it's not. I was there once, but I'm not
there anymore. All right.
It's awesome. I'll, I'll look.

(56:24):
Forward to seeing your video you're going to put out that
debunks that stuff down there inAntarctica about the sun and I'm
I'm going to eventually link it to my website as well and it's
it's. Premiering on Flat Earth, Dave
interviews 2 and Marty Leeds Gnostic Academy channel and I'm
sure it will be mirrored on manyother channels after Good deal.

(56:46):
Can't wait to see it. All right, Kenny.
Thanks. Thanks for your time.
And God bless you. All right.
Thanks. Same to you.
And there you. Have it folks.
That was an interview with me and Flat Earth Dave.
I hope you liked it. I hope it helped you.
Give me an e-mail, let me know what you think.
You can e-mail me at truthseekers2012@gmail.com.

(57:09):
You can check out my website itsflatbro.com.
You can check out Dave's websiteat Flat Earth, dave.com.
You can also go to my ministry website
whichiskennywilliamson.com or Truth Seekers ministry.org.
So go check that out if you'd like to.

(57:32):
My whole reason for doing this is to get people to come to know
the Lord before it's too late. I believe that Flat Earth leads
people back to biblical cosmology, which proves there's
a creator. So there's no way to deny
creation if you believe what theBible teaches, which is, you
know, in my opinion, Flat Earth.So anyway, I hope this helped

(57:56):
you. Hope you liked it.
Please share it if you did pass it on and you know if you need
anything at all, let me know. Thanks for listening and God
bless you.

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