EP203 :Exploring Flat Earth & Biblical Truth: Kenny Williamson on Flat Earth Files

Join Kenny and George as they dive deep into the fascinating topics of flat earth, biblical cosmology, and the search for truth on the Flat Earth Files podcast. In this thought-provoking conversation, Kenny discusses how Scripture supports a different view of our world, unpacks current events through a biblical lens, and emphasizes the importance of seeking truth and following Jesus Christ. Whether you're a seasoned truth seeker or just curious about alternative perspectives, this episode will challenge and inspire you.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome back truth seekers from around the world.
It's time for another edition ofthe Flat Earth Files podcast.
I'm your host as always, George Hobbs from a snowy Dover, DE.
I hope everybody is doing well. We're actually recording on
Wednesday, February the 19th, 2025.
This episode will be dropping this coming Sunday.

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Again, I hope everybody is well.We have a great guest standing,
standing by. Just two alibis if you would.
Don't forget to stop by the website.
It is the flat earthfiles.com. You can find all the episodic
information, show notes, there'sa chat room, a forum, much to do
there. Again, it is the flat
earthfiles.com And if you would like to join us like Kenny is

(00:46):
today, please do reach out to [e-mail].
Once again, that is Fe Files, [e-mail].
And without any further ado, let's bring on our guest.
His name is Kenny. He hosts the podcast The
Melchizedek Files or Chronicles.Pardon me, Melchizedek

(01:09):
Chronicles. He has a website, two of them
actually. It's flat fro.
Wow, I'm struggling today. It's flatbro.com and Truth
seekers ministry.org. And by the way, don't worry
about trying to write these down.
As always, I put all this information in the show notes so
you can find Kenny without any trouble.

(01:30):
Kenny, thank you so much for joining us today, Sir.
I really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem.
It is good to be here, good to be on your show.
I appreciate it and if you wouldjust take a few minutes and
introduce yourself to the audience and and kind of what
made you decide to get into this, you know, podcasting slash

(01:51):
website and sharing your information with the masses.
Well, like you said, my name is Kenny Williamson and I do have
my own podcast and it's called Mckills Deck Chronicles.
It's available on all podcast, you know, platforms.
I have a website, itsflatbro.comand truth seekers ministry.com

(02:14):
oror.org on my mistake or you can go to kennywilliamson.com.
But yes, I decided to do these websites several years ago or
the, the, the first one, just because I am, I'm a Christian
and I wanted to do something to try to get, you know, the truth

(02:34):
out there regarding, you know, the Bible, God's word, all that
kind of stuff. And I really didn't have any,
any way to do that without doingsomething like a podcast.
So that's, that's where I got started on that.
And since that time I've, I've written a couple of books, three
books to be exact, about some demons.

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And they're available, of courseyou can, they're on Amazon, but
you can get to them on any of those websites.
And the latest book that I came out with is called The Flat
Earth Bible. And it's been last year I really
got into the Flat Earth and realized that it was biblical.
And so I have a book out about it as well.

(03:19):
That's awesome, I I just pulled it up on Amazon.
The Flat Earth Bible, a detailedexplanation of biblical Flat
Earth. And I'll tell you brother, it is
good to see more people putting out this type of information in
print. I've said many times on both
podcasts that now it's probably more than more important than

(03:40):
ever to make sure you get print because I do believe there is
going to be like this digital Fahrenheit 451 type of event.
One only has to look at say, Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale
Horse, and they removed an entire chapter that went against
the agenda. So I will put those links to

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your books in the show notes as well.
Please do support Kenny and add them to your library.
And we talked a little bit, Kenny, before we hit the record
button about how this conversation, you can call it
Flat Earth, you can call it biblical cosmology, how it is
still a stigma even within the, the, the Christian community,

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You know, with our pastors, you know, our fellow fellow
congregationists, where even when you and I and others can
see the biblical truth and biblical cosmology, merely
pointing them out can almost borderline ostracize you from
the church. Yes, yes, I agree with that.

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In fact, it's funny because I have a friend who's a pastor and
I did not know this, but come tofind out he does believe in
biblical cosmology or Flat Earth.
And you know, he he said that hecan't really mention that at his
church because he's done it in the past.

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And he said that some of the congregation, he said it's
almost like they became demon possessed and they fled out of
the building. OK, to never return at the mere
mention of Flat Earth. And I can't understand that
because I would think that a Christian person who has an open

(05:27):
mind and who wants to learn the truth would at least to do some
investigation. But, you know, so he can't
mention it in his church for fear of losing church members.
And now that's one of the differences in my thing that I'm
doing is I do everything online and everything is free.

(05:49):
I don't charge anybody anything for anything.
And so I have nothing to lose. So I don't have to worry about
people paying me money to support a church building.
And then I can't tell you the truth or what I think is the
truth without, you know, losing all these people.
So I just I've never understood that, but that is a reality of

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the fact is if you mention anything that's, you know, not
what the news or Hollywood has taught people and propaganda
over all these years, some people just absolutely lose
their minds and and they just gocrazy.
They do and this type of defensemechanism that has been

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installed by the rolling elite via television, Hollywood and
our, you know, the Rockefeller education system, It is really
the reason for that, that defense mechanism that really
keeps them from, you know, searching for the truth.
And, you know, as we talk about searching for the truth, I
guess. How did your journey go about

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what led you to look into Flat Earth?
Because for me, and I've told this to folks many times, if
Flat Earth would have been my first rabbit hole per SE, I
would have never, yeah, I would have just to shoot it and walked
away. But for me, it was all the other
rabbit holes and realizing, well, you know, everything,

(07:16):
almost everything is a lie. So I think that was the reason I
was able to take the time to look into it.
I think like many, I went there to just disprove it so I could
move on with my day. And two weeks later, I was
completely turned upside down. How, how was your journey And
you know, coming upon Flat Earth, how, how was that for you
and how did it change your life?Well, I have to give credit to

(07:40):
the person who turned me on to it, and his name is Johnny Allen
and he actually is a website designer.
He's actually the one who built my websites and his link is at
the bottom of them. If you ever won a website, you
know, developed yourself. But I was talking to him about
the other website, the first one, which is just a ministry

(08:01):
type website. And I don't know how we got on
the subject, but we've had several hours of conversations
on the phone to get this stuff done.
And he mentioned Flat Earth and I, like many others, immediately
just discounted it in my mind. I said Nope, absolutely not.
And he's like, well, you know, he, he, he made some more
statements about it and he asked, I asked, I said, do you
believe in Flat Earth? He's like, yeah.

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And I just, I was like, absolutely not.
Now I do have a pilot's license,a commercial pilot's license,
and I have AI, have an H estate HVAC license.
So I'm very familiar with obviously flight and I'm very
familiar with pressures and all kinds of stuff.
And I never even considered thatwhat I was being told was a lie.

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Now, I never believed in the moon landing.
I never believed in any of that.I thought I, I figured they were
just using that to make money. You know, I never dreamt that
there's a possibility they couldn't even get to the moon
because of of firmament. OK, so anyway, so this guy
introduced me to it. I completely discounted it.
And but then something just start kind of eating on me about

(09:07):
it. I just start it wouldn't leave
my head. So I started doing some research
and found a website, Flat Earth Dave, and I started watching his
videos, and I literally binge watch those videos for a couple
of weeks straight. And by the time I got done with
those videos and realized they were true, Yeah, I was a flat

(09:31):
earther. And then I went back and started
looking at the biblical proofs and realized it was in the Bible
the whole time. It's just I had never really
paid attention to it and you know, which is just ignorance on
my part really. That's similar to mine.
And when I finally realized biblical cosmology and the lie

(09:54):
of heliocentrism, the one thing that I, I always take away from
it is it taught me how to read the Bible, how to, if there is a
word that you don't understand that is not familiar, research
the word, use Strong's Concordance.
And, and you know that, you know, I've been reading the
Bible for 50 years. And then, you know, 5-6 years

(10:16):
ago I came upon this like I, I, I've read Genesis 100 times.
I never once stopped to investigate the word firmament.
And, you know, you just kind of read and go through it.
And you, I think your brain justkind of goes back to what you
were taught in Sunday school, Noah's flood, this and that.
And then, you know, for 1213 years, it's instituted into your
mind that you know, these these are myths and you know, you

(10:39):
can't take everything seriously.But when you realize that, you
know this is one of you know thetop five greatest lies of all
time. It really taught me how to read
the Bible. Yeah, I agree.
I, I actually have followed a pastor that, you know, he's a, a
creationist and he had mentionedthe firmament many times and he

(11:00):
was, you know, he, he teaches that the firmament actually fell
down in the flood. And I just was like, OK, it
probably did. I never really thought about it,
'cause I believe the earth was aglobe.
And so I thought, well, maybe there was a, a firmament and it
just fell down. And now it's the North and South
Pole. You know, that's what he taught.
And then when I went back and reread it, I'm like, wait a

(11:21):
second, there's water above the firmament.
OK, so we can't just have it fall down without flooding.
OK, It, it just doesn't make anysense.
I mean, the Bible, there's so many, there's so many passages
in the Bible that basically teaches Flat Earth.
And of course, I've been throughseminary and they just, and you

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know, I understand they don't, they're not trying to teach you
anything science there. And I understand that, but they
do just skim over it. And so anything that can't, you
know, kind of can't really be explained, they just put the
NASA globe theory on it, no matter how ridiculous it is.
And, you know, they just teach it that way, I guess.

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They don't know anything any different I guess.
Yeah, and that's a great point. But I, I think it's still like
many people, it's, it's a bit frustrating that you can't even
have just a friendly conversation like this is
something maybe we're not going to discuss Sunday at church, but
I think like Wednesday night Bible study and if you're
breaking out Genesis chapter 1, why can't we have this

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conversation if it aligns with God's Word?
Right. I mean, why can't we bring out
Genesis and say pull out a, you know, pull out a chalkboard or a
whiteboard and draw it as it's being described and then say,
now look at this picture and tell me where outer space is.
You know, tell me where this vacuum is.

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I mean, it says that these, the sun and the moon and these stars
are in the firmament. OK.
And this firmament is separatingwater from the earth.
OK, so let's draw it out like the Bible describes it and and
then explain, you know, like everything rotates around the

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North Star and you know, the stars are the same.
They've been the same since the beginning of any type of
recorded history. And if we were really, you know,
spinning at 1000 miles an hour in a circle, 66,600 miles an
hour around the sun and the sun,and this whole deal is

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corkscrewing through outer spaceat like half 1,000,000 miles an
hour. How is it that every night you
can look up and see the same stars, everything's the same,
nothing's changed. It's impossible, but people
don't. People don't even consider that.
No. And I wonder if, because I think

(13:48):
it was two years ago when the Georgia guidestones were, you
know, quote UN quote blown up. That was a strong point of
contention amongst, you know, flat earthers, biblical
cosmologists, where you know, that there was a hole there and
every single night, 365 days a year, you could peek through
that little hole in the North Star was right there.

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And I think people, you know, a lot of these things happened.
It was post COVID and people were starting to, you know, say
a lot of these things that we'retold on the news doesn't make a
lot of sense. And it it was really 2020 and
beyond when Flat Earth really took off and became mainstream.
And there were some things that they did, obviously the Georgia

(14:30):
Guidestones getting rid of them.Professor Dave entered the the
chat. Anytime you go to YouTube and
put anything Flat Earth, he is always I, I would say 95
percentile. He is the first video that comes
up. That's why I tell people when
you go to YouTube and you put something in like Flat Earth or
biblical cosmology, upload by search by upload date, because

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you're going to get fed all of the nonsense, right?
The, you know, this is an archaic, you know, type thing
and, and all the other nonsense that the Neil degrasse Tyson's
Professor Dave's, you know, insert Scientologist here that
is going to try to, and especially it's a very critical
point, right? When somebody comes to the
truth, whether it's 911 or, or Flat Earth, right, when they

(15:17):
come upon the information, it's almost like everything else,
right? You have a certain amount of
time, you know, if a, you know, a police report, you know, they,
they say X amount of hours to get it done before the chances
of solving the case, you know, really minimizes.
And I think that's a lot to do with this as well.
You know, somebody comes across Flat Earth and they, oh, I

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didn't know Joe thought the earth was flat.
And maybe they research it for afew minutes when they get home
from work. Well, if they come upon,
professor, where they go to Google, unfortunately, to try to
search for that information, thedisinformation agents are going
to put that doubt in their mind and they're going to go back
into their hole. Right.
I think I think that's a really good argument for like you were

(16:02):
saying early, earlier, having books in print.
You know, I think it's the same thing on on these things here.
You know, like this podcast, forexample, this is going to be
uploaded, it's going to be on the web.
But, you know, if somebody wantsto get rid of it, they'll just
erase the whole server and it's gone forever, you know?

(16:23):
So I've even considered backing up all of my stuff and labeling
them all my podcasts as an MP3 and recording those MP threes
onto a disk or, you know, or a flash drive and having those
available to people for in the future, same as a book.
You know, it's like, hey, here, you can buy this book and you

(16:44):
can have it now they're going toscrub the Internet possibly, you
know, and you'll never be able to find this information again.
But if you have it in the hard print, you've got it and you can
give it to somebody else the same as same as these
recordings, you know, hey, here's a disk or a flash drive
with the data on it in case it'sscrubbed off the Internet.

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So I'm, I'm a firm believer in that.
If you were able to, to walk into a church.
And by the way, your book, the Flat Earth Bible, a detailed
explanation of biblical Flat Earth, was just published on
paperback, what, four months ago.
So #1 congratulations on that for your, your time and effort.
If you were to point out, let's just say three to four verses

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that are the most important to you as laying it out to someone
in the church community, whetherformal or informal, what are the
most important verses to you detailing Flat Earth?
I should say biblical cosmology.Detailing Flat Earth, well, one
of my one of the ones I really like.
Of course, obviously if you start off in Genesis, you've got

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where it initially talks about the firmament.
OK, So what I like to do is pinpoint out the fact that you
have verses in the very first page of the Bible that talks
about the firmament and how the earth was made, OK?
And then if you happen to listento the wrong person on YouTube,
they will tell you that that hasbeen destroyed in the flood.

(18:16):
But then you can come on up into, I guess it's Psalms and I
know Psalm 19 is one of them where King David has actually
talked about the firmament and how it shows God's handiwork.
And there's another one and it slips my mind.
It's in Psalms. It's another one that talks
about the firmament, you know, in Psalms that King David wrote.

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And you know, this is, this is happening 4 to 600 years after
the flood. So we have a, a person in the
Bible who is mentioning the firmament and talking about it,
you know, 4 to 600 years after some people claim that it was
destroyed, but yet it's still brought up again.

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And it's brought up, of course, like the one that's on the top
of my tongue is or tip of my tongue is Psalm 19 where it
says, you know, God's handiwork show within the firmament.
You know, the firmament shows God's handiwork.
And so, you know, that's one of the important ones to me because
it, it disproves that this firmament fell down during the

(19:23):
flood. It's just it's right off the bat
proof because it's mentioned again and it's mentioned twice.
So that's pretty important to meas far as one of the verses.
You know that that's a good one.And I wanted to ask you, of
course, you know, I'm sure you're fully well aware of that.
Bible verses on Wernher von Braun's headstone.

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Yeah, same 1 Psalm 19. Yep.
Do you think that was mockery ordisclosure?
I. Think it was disclosure because
if if what they say is true, youknow, he had a confidante type
lady who was I guess his secretary or something.
And he supposedly confided in her in his last days that

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everything that he was doing wasa lie.
And he said they're doing this, of course, you know, to gain
control over you. And he proceeded to tell her
that the final thing is going tobe aliens.
And they're going to claim that they're having to do this to
protect us from aliens. And it's all going to be in
outer space. And, you know, he told this lady

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this way before we had any Elon Musk's way before we had any of
that kind of technology. And it just so happens, you
know, now here we are in 2025, late 20224.
You know, we've got things showing up, you know, drones
showing up, and people are claiming that they're aliens.

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And now anywhere you look online, they're claiming more
alien craft have been sighted. You know, UF OS here, UA PS
here. So I think it's disclosure.
I think he knew good and well everything he was doing was
fake. It's a lie.
And of course he had no, he had no choice but to be part of it
or probably be executed, you know, for enough for being a

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Nazi. Absolutely.
And so, and kind of on the last deal, he didn't spell the whole
verse out, but he just put on there Psalm 19.
You know, that way if somebody'slike, huh, this guy didn't even
claim to be a Christian. So let's go look up Psalm 19.
Oh, he's talking about the firmament.
Imagine that. Now, if that verse is true,
which I believe it to be true, man can't get past that

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firmament to get in any type of vacuum of outer space.
So I think it's disclosure. I think it's a very subtle way
to say, hey, I'm dead now and you can't kill me.
So you know, here it is. It's fake.
Absolutely. I also wanted your opinion.
Do you think it's possible? And obviously this is just, you

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know, we're having some conjecture.
Do you think the Milky Way couldpossibly be the crack in the
firmament where where the waterscame through?
You know, there there's a lot ofpeople who think that that was,
you know, the scar or, or where the, you know, the waters came
through. I have read, I've read a little
bit about that and I don't, I don't know if it is or not.

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And the only reason I would say probably not in my opinion is
because it talks about, you know, people going up in the
Bible and coming down. It talks about those doors, the
windows of heaven being opened. And, you know, I think that if
if God actually opened those andshut them himself, I don't
really think it would leave a scar or a mark.

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You know, it's he did it. And you know, it's one of those
things if God does, it is probably done perfectly.
I don't I don't know. That's a great point.
I mean possibly. Yeah, sure.
You know, it'd be like anything else.
It'd be like, OK, well, God created this, but now see this
nasty remnant over here? Oh yeah.
It really tore all this land up when he did it.
Well, wow, you know, he, he wouldn't do that.

(23:03):
If he's going to do it, he's going to do it, right.
So I don't know. I would, I would learn more
towards if there's some kind of a mark, you know, on the
firmament that people can see, it's probably from something
like Operation Fishbowl where they shot some kind of a rocket
up there and tried to tear it upon purpose.
That's a good point too. You know, and it probably just

(23:24):
scuffed it or something and that's what they're seeing.
I'd be, I'd learn more towards man purposely tried to tear it
up. Then God left a scar behind when
he opened it. You know, That's my opinion, of
course. Yeah, of course.
No, it's what well said and wellthought out.
I ask, I've been asking a lot ofmy guests this recently.

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Obviously our history books are are full of lies.
I always say they're semi truths, you know, scattered with
with a lot of lies at best. What is the best way to ensure
we pass down this knowledge, this true knowledge, whether
it's, you know, biblical cosmology, the truth about, you

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know, insert historical event here.
How do we ensure that our our, our grandchildren and their
grandchildren are able to know the truth about the these type
of conversations we're talking about right now?
Well, I think obviously one of the best ways is, is again, like

(24:25):
you said, is to have this stuff in print, dated material and
have enough of it out there to where it can't just be swept
under the rug. You know, it's like this book
here, this Flat Earth Bible book.
I mean, it's nothing spectacular.
It's kind of a beginner's book. But you know, if there was

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millions of these out here, you know, they couldn't just, you
know, that those things could bepassed down and say, hey, read
this here, check this out. The same as same as these
podcasts being recorded. You know, when put on some type
of a hard disk or something thatdoesn't just fall away and pass

(25:08):
this stuff down and archive it, You know, an archive this stuff.
When YouTube decides to kick it all off and they just erase the
whole thing, it's gone, you know?
So I think everything needs to have a hard copy, in other
words. Yeah, that's even if you got a
three ring binder and started printing stuff off the Internet
and and you know, keeping them in document protectors and

(25:29):
that's just not for this. I mean like right now if I
needed to fix my washer or dryeror you know, insert thing I need
that broke down engine headlight, we go to YouTube,
right how to replace 2018 Ford Escape headlight.
We can do that stuff, but there will be, I think in our
lifetime, whether you want to call it a, a social credit score

(25:51):
or something like that, that if you don't toe the line, if you
don't, you know, play the matrixthat you will not be able to
access a lot of these things. So I, I can't stress enough,
like you said, to, to ensure you, you're either printing
stuff off the Internet or as faras books go, pardon me, you
know, you know, purchasing thesebooks and keeping them in your

(26:11):
library. I wanted to transfer a little
bit or, or segue, I should say alittle bit to your other book,
Demons Among Us, Spiritual Warfare.
And when we talk about spiritualwarfare and its connection to
Satan, what was your Seminole message of this book?
Well, the message of the book isbecause really what happened is

(26:34):
it starts with the first book, which is called The Haunting of
Virginia Crim. And if these are both true
stories, these are these are both actual facts that have
happened. And I believe biblically believe
here that anytime you see an alien, a demon, not a demon, an
alien, a ghost, a Bigfoot, anything like that, you're

(26:58):
actually witnessing something demonic.
You are seeing a devil or a demon.
OK, so my mother was plagued by these hauntings her whole entire
life. And I wrote all the stories down
that she told me and there are some very bizarre stories and
she believed them to be, she believed them to be ghosts.

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I believe them to be demonic. OK, so years later, my
mother-in-law, ex mother-in-law now of course she's dead now as
well. They've both passed on.
She told me very similar storiesthat she had encountered her
whole entire life. And that's what's in the second

(27:42):
book, which is Demons Among Us. And the reason I chose that
title is because all this stuff she was seeing was happening all
around her all the time. And it's literally like these
demons are living right beside you and possibly, you know,
haunting you and bothering you, which comes into the spiritual

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warfare. You know, that these entities or
demons are around you all the time.
And it's just a matter of if they want to show themselves as
something or they want to attackyou mentally, physically or
however they want to do it. And so that that's how you get
your spiritual warfare, you know.

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So if if you are a follower of Jesus Christ, are you less
apartment to be, you know, be attacked by these, you know, the
demonic attacks or are you less apartment to be attacked by
these demons? Well, that's a good question.
I've noticed that lots of peoplewho are unsaved have lots of

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problems with this kind of stuff.
And it seems like they're alwaysthe ones that are into a haunted
house or, you know, a Ouija board or some kind of tarot
cards. And they've always got these
weird problems and they've always, they're always
surrounded by that kind of stuff.
So I think you're more apt to bepossibly physically attacked and

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bothered by any type of that kind of stuff if you're unsaved.
However, if you are saved, I think, I think that they really
come in and try to attack you spiritually.
Then, then I think, you know, it's, it's like you, you can
feel that they're there and you have, you know, your bad dreams
or you're just feelings of dreador whatever, 'cause I know a lot

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of pastors that say they, they are really getting attacked all
the time. And these are people that's all
they do is preach and talk aboutJesus Christ and they're,
they're, they're claiming they're constantly under demonic
attack. So you know, but it, but they're
not being physically attacked. They're being mentally attacked
where like my mother was physically attacked and

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mentally, obviously it's mental if you're getting physically
attacked, but I, I don't think the devil and his and his little
devils, his minions can just physically attack you if you're
saved. I just don't believe it.
I agree and it would make sense for for them to spiritually
attack you because they you knowthe the people who aren't saved.

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Satan already has them for the time being right?
So he wants to go after those and deceive those and attack
those who are already saved in Christ, right?
That that's his goal. That's Satan's whole goal is to
deceive the nation's and, you know, keep as many people away
from, you know, you know, heaven, God's paradise as he can

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because he knows, he knows the outcome.
He knows the end game. He knows he's on a limited time.
And obviously we can argue, we can discuss the timeline we're
in. I think a lot of people,
including myself, believe that our timeline has been
manipulated. So it's important as ever to
come out and do the things that we're doing, like yourself and

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others, is to get the message out there.
And a lot of people will say, yeah, you know, biblical
cosmology is not a salvation issue.
However, I would counter that argument with I can't tell you
the number of emails I have gotten over the years.
People who lost their faith in God and haven't opened a Bible

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in years, they discover this lieand they realize that yes, God
is not only real, He's right above us, looking down, you
know, at the circle of the earthlike grasshoppers, as the verse
says. And it has brought them back to
God and, you know, the gospel ofJesus Christ.
Right. Well, I agree and I've I've

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heard that before, you know, hey, this is not a salvation
issue. OK, you're correct.
It's not. However, it is a hang up for a
lot of people, and I know this for a fact because I've got
experience with that years ago before I was saved.
You know, I didn't get saved until I was in my 20s.
And you know, my parents weren'treligious, nothing like that.

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But one of my big hang ups were dinosaurs.
OK, as silly and ridiculous as that sounds, you know, dinosaurs
have nothing to do with salvation.
But you know, they're finding these dinosaur bones supposedly,
you know, these skeletons. And they claim that there's so
many millions of years old. OK, I didn't know anything about

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the Bible or God. And so I would ask people, hey,
explain this to me. The scientists are saying these
are 20 million years old. You're telling me the Earth is
only 6000 years old? And, you know, OK, with a
question mark. And they literally were
speechless. They would they'd had no idea
what to say. They couldn't.
They couldn't say yay or nay. You know, they couldn't say,

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hey, you know, these dinosaurs aren't even real.
That's all fabricated. OK, I could have maybe accepted
that, but they didn't have an answer at all.
Nothing. And so I'm like, you know what?
If you can't even explain something so simple as a
skeleton in the ground and they're claiming it's 20 year,
20 million years old and you can't tell me why it's not 20 or

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anything. How can I believe a word you
say? And so it was a big hang up for
me. Dinosaur bones.
I mean, as ridiculous as that sounds, So my opinion, I realize
there's a lot of things in the Bible that are not salvation
issues. But if you claim to be a Bible
believer and you study the Bibleand you went to seminary or

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you're a pastor or preacher and I ask you a very simple question
as a non believer, you know, you're probably expected to
know, have an answer of some type, you know.
And if you don't, you're liable to have that person say you know
what? You can't answer something
simple about this firmament. You're telling me it does not

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real, but I'm reading it in black and white.
I don't have any. I don't have any time for you.
I don't want to hear it. Do you think that has to do?
Because I'm, I'm assuming, listen, I haven't been to
seminary. I haven't been to Bible college.
I've taken a lot of online courses that certain seminaries
offer for free, but I've never been in in an actual seminary.

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Do you think that is many of theschools that, you know, these
seminaries, do you think they listen, this is just for lack of
a better word, hijacked And and,you know, kind of like the
Schofield Bible, where we're going to teach you this much,
but we're not going to really, you know, talk about this, that
or the other thing. Yes, I think I think that's
probably the case that like the one that I have tended, I have a

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master's degree in Biblical exposition, which is a detailed
study of the Bible. You know, their detailed study.
It's detailed as far as, you know, King David and Esther and
and everything that happened. I mean, it's all detailed except
for anything other like something that's between the
lines. You see what I mean?
Like like, like we can talk about Genesis, we can talk about

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the creation and we can talk about the earth and yes, but
it's like, well, let's read between the line right here when
it says the firmament this and that and the sun and moon is in
the firmament. Well, you know, hey, that's
that's not really what we're teaching here.
That's we're not going into any type of science stuff here.
All we need to get to you in your head is that God created
it. You believe it?

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Yeah. OK, well, let's go on to the
next one and let's go on to the next one.
And all the stuff that kind of falls in the between the cracks.
That's that's where a lot of people get lost and, and I
understand, you know, it's not, you know, it's not salvation.
And you know, and I've got a pastor that I listen to and
that's what he says. He goes, I don't even want to

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talk about it. You know, this is not, this is,
this is not salvation related. So he won't, he won't even talk
about it. It's like, OK, well, that's fine
for people. That's all they want to hear.
But you know, there are lots of people out here that want a
little more. And I think that's where that
book of Enoch and these others come in is because that like a
little book of Enoch, which I don't believe that it's Canon.

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You know, it's not scripture, but people think that it's
accurate and maybe it is and maybe it's not.
But they'll take that book and they'll read it and they'll say,
now see, here's here's here's what I wanted to know right
here. And they use it as truth,
whether it is or isn't, you know, because it explains stuff.
People want those explanations. And if you can't offer anything

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in my, in my opinion, you're you're leaving a lot on the
table. You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely. And I am very much a King James
Version guy. I try not to use anything else
because anytime something is translated it loses meaning and
you leave that up to the opinionof the translator.
And I also have a copy. Unfortunately, I'm almost 56.

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My eyes aren't what they used. I was born with bad eyes and 56
years later, they're not any better.
You know, I, I have a 1560 Geneva Bible with, you know,
with the text and everything. And I do, and I think it
includes the 14 books of the Apocrypha.
And, and one of the things I do point to is, you know, Joshua

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1013 where it does mention the book of Yasher, etcetera.
And I do think they are good supporting documents, if you
will. And it does some of those books
do provide some answers that we are looking for that, you know,
that the type of critical thinkers who if you know, we ask
a pastor, 90% of maybe it's I, but won't have that type of

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answer or we'll just, you know, refer to science.
Right, Yeah, I agree. But that to me shows that, you
know, people want to know stuff and you know, there's a lot of
stuff in the Bible. And yes, if you go through the
Bible, you can, you can read that and you know pretty much

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everything in it you need to know.
And some of it you can just kindof guess that, you know, it
talks about giants, it talks about all that stuff.
And so we know they existed. So it's good enough for me to
read it and say, OK, it says that giants existed pre flood.
Now obviously they existed afterthe flood too, because we talk
about giants again. We've got giants in Canaan.

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You know, we've got a king that's a giant, whatever his
name was. I can't think of it.
You know, we've got other giantsthat are still alive after the
flood. So obviously they survived.
So where, how did they survive the flood 'cause we know they
weren't on the Ark, but yet herethey are again.
So did we have more of the same thing that started that that

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created the giants to begin with?
Or did these giants somehow survive the flood?
Did they go up high enough to get away from the flood or did
they go down low enough to survive the flood?
But, but my point being here is that yes, as people want to
understand that it's like especially in today's world
where you say, hey, you see thatalien right there?

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That is not an alien spacecraft from outer space, from Mars.
That is a demon you're seeing. It's showing you what you want
to see. It's pretending to be this to
mislead you. And then somebody says, well,
that's not biblical. And so look, yes, it is.
Let's let's go back to the demons interbreeding with people
and doing all the stuff they're doing that that's what we've got

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today. They're still around.
You know, I mean, that's the only explanation.
Because if you want to biblically explain something,
you know you can't have Mars. You know aliens from Mars when
we both know we can't get to Mars.
The Mars is not what they say itis.
Well, that can't be true. I've seen the pictures, yeah.

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You've seen that CGI picture, haven't you?
For that, isn't it amazing, you know, Nixon talked to the the
astronauts on a landline And then, you know, my Sirius radio
will will just lose connectivityor whatever when I'm driving
through the rural area I live inall the time.
But we get these perfect images from Mars every day and I just

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laugh. If you go back to JP LS website,
I think it was 2012, they have an image still there.
They never took it down. There's a mouse or some, you
know, some type of rat on the bottom left corner of the
picture. And again, that I, I believe
that's disclosure they have to, you know, kind of admit that
these things are false. But still, you know, everyday
NASA gets their $70 million and life goes on.

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Right. Well, maybe DOGE will take care
of that. I don't know.
We'll say I doubt it because, you know, the guy running DOGE
is all about outer space and going to Mars.
Yep, part of the deceive, part of the corruption.
You know, they couldn't possiblysay, hey, we're going to defund
it. I mean, and it's fake.
You couldn't say it's fake because you're claiming you've

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got rockets going to space, you know, which I don't believe
we're doing that, obviously. Absolutely.
Everybody else is, you know, he's he's busting all these, you
know, the IRS and Social Security.
But I haven't heard any stories about NASA being looked at yet,
have you? No.
Now, as far as I know right now,aren't they claiming that they

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have a couple of astronauts stuck up in space right now?
Oh, yeah, And the the two big stories has been the two Astra,
I think it's a male and a femalestuck in space.
How dare I assume they're genders, right?
And the other one was that this,you know, there's a 3 1/2
percent chance. And this is another big thing
with this deception, right? You know, this story that's been

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all over the Internet, the chance that an asteroid could
impact Earth. And if you just go to Google and
put asteroid impact Earth, you go back.
They've been pushing this story for decades.
Oh, yeah, I remember this when Iwas a kid.
Asteroids gonna hit the Earth and acid rain and you name it.
They they do the same things over and over and over because

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they're hoping people won't remember it.
And the new people are like, oh,did you hear what's going to
happen? It's like, yeah, they've been
saying that for. Years I, I don't know if I ever
shared this story, but I don't know if you're old enough to
remember Skylab. And that was the thing that
crashed into the earth. And they were going to give, I
think this was like 81 or 82. And they were going to give, you

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know, rewards to people who returned the, the pieces 'cause
it was classified. I was like 10 and I, I was
looking up into the sky, waitingfor it to fall out of the sky to
get my money. It it, it's funny when you look
back all these headlines and that there's hundreds of
stories, whether it be the New York Times, CBS nudes, the odds
of asteroid why are four hittingEarth and 2032 go up again.

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So, and again, they'll, they'll use these stories and like
everything else, whether it's going back to the moon, they'll
they'll kick the can down the road.
Yeah, it's a, it's just a fear based thing and it's to keep you
under control and to keep you always scared.
And, and of course it's, it's also a diversion.
I mean, if if you're willing to believe there's an asteroid

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going to hit the Earth, then, you know, and you, you believe
it, then you probably believe that, you know, an asteroid hit
the earth and knocked all the dinosaurs out, you know, 20
million years ago. That's right.
Which which means there's outer space.
So there couldn't be a firmamentand there couldn't be God and,
you know, that kind of stuff. And then I've actually heard a
pastor in the past say somethingabout, you know, oh, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. Dinosaurs were real.
You know, he, God created those.That was kind of his test run.
You know, he gave him a test run.
They didn't work out, you know, and ended up dying.
So he had to think of something else.
And it's like, you mean to tell me the King of kings, the God of
glory, made a mistake and made these dinosaurs and they just
didn't quite live. And they they weren't right.

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And he realized the horrible mistake he made, so he cleaned
them up. Come on now, I'm OK.
It, it can be a little frustrating.
I've heard people defend, you know, that, that God was
responsible for The Big Bang andevolution and everything else.
I was like, how does that correspond with the book of

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Genesis? How long has it been since
you've read the book of Genesis?And, and unfortunately, a lot of
this is just people believing. And I honestly think this is a
large problem we have is a lot of people believe that.
Well, these people who lived they, they think millions of
years ago, actually a very smallpercentage of the of the actual

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church congregation overall knowthat the Earth is only, you
know, 6065 hundred years becausethey've been, their brain has
been overwrought with scientism.They still believe it's been
million of years. So they think, and they still
buy the caveman story, which I don't remember seeing any
Cavemen in the Bible anyway. They think that these people

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were low IQ. They didn't know what was going
on, right? That they accidentally had a
poppy seed and thought, you know, the burning Bush was
talking to him. That's what they really think,
that these people really didn't understand what was going on.
They're not smart as us today. And I actually, I think it's the
complete reverse. I think they have hid so much
from us that the people back from the earliest of time, we're

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talking, you know, Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, all these people
are way smarter and understood how the world works than the
people do today. Absolutely, absolutely.
The these people that think thatwe're evolving into something
better are basically lunatics. They'd have to be.
Now, what it is, is the Bible's correct.

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Man is getting worse, not better.
OK, Everything we do is worse. And it's funny because, and I'm
sure they have done something with the timelines and I've
looked into this thing called Tardia or whatever it is and the
mud flood. OK, Well, obviously let's apply

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this biblically if we want, if we want to have some sound
doctrine here, let's let's compare it to what the Holy
Bible says. Well, we know that Adam and Eve,
and we go on from there. Before the flood, OK, these guys
were living. Well, Methuselah lived to be 969
years old, OK, which was Noah's grandpa.

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These people are living pushing 1000 years, OK?
They're living in a perfect environment where they don't
have to worry about what the things we have to worry about,
OK? These guys were smart.
I mean, Adam named all of the animals.
And if you notice, all the namesfit.
So, you know, if you say a horse, you picture a horse, that

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that's perfect, right? You say a dog, a dog, a cat.
Well, he named all those animals.
The man was a genius, OK, and his ancestors were geniuses
compared to what we are today. They were the cream of the crop.
They had the best possible DNA and minds ever because they're
the first now. Once they sinned and sin got in

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there that there's they start degrading over years, but
they're still at their prime right now for what they could
be. Well, these buildings and stuff
they're finding that have been buried for thousands of years.
They they probably got buried inthe flood.
They were built pre flood. I mean, OK, big deal.
They they had all kinds of technology we probably don't

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understand. And they had help from devils.
These same devils and our fallenangels are coming down and
having children with women and they're being worshipped as
gods. So, you know, they're saying,
Hey, you need some help. I'll show you how to do that.
I'll show you how to make this intricate stone work, you know,
that weighs, you know, 30 tons and you just move it over there

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with a flick of a finger and just form it into whatever you
want. I'm sure they had technology
that's so above and beyond what we can even fathom right now.
But, you know, after the flood, we're back down to Noah and his
family. So they were literally thrust
back into the Stone Age after the flood.

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So, you know, you you could be arocket scientist, OK And
everything you know, you have noelectricity, you have no running
water, You have the clothes on your back and you're put on a
desert island. Well, can you build a rocket
ship? Well, no, because you can't mine
the metal. You have nothing but your hands.
So you literally have to start all over.
Even though you have the knowledge, you can't do it

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physically. And I believe that's what
happened. It reset after the after the
flood. See.
Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point.
Something we like to add, or I'msorry, something like we like to
ask our guests, is your silver bullets.
You know, you're in an elevator and and you only have 30 seconds

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to introduce Flat Earth to a complete stranger.
What what are your go TOS? And I understand maybe someone
who is an atheist may not want to hear Bible verses, or someone
who is a Christian, a follower of Christ, you'd like to lay

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down some Bible verses proving it either or.
What are yours most important proofs of biblical cosmology
that you could lay down to a complete stranger in in 30
seconds? Well, mine has to do with the
curvature. And I had this same conversation
with a guy in line to buy coffeethe other day.

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He saw my bumper sticker which said research Flat Earth and had
my website. And he asked about it and he
said, what's one of your proofs?And we only had a few seconds
really through the line. And I said, well, it's Earth
curvature. I said, you go on to NASA, any
of the scientific websites, and it will tell you that the
curvature of the Earth is 8 inches per mile squared.
I said, so the first mile is 8 inches, the second mile is like

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32 inches, and it just goes on and on and on.
I said, So if you're standing ona flat surface like water, like
on the ocean, and you watch a ship sail away, after so long it
looks like it goes down and it disappears, I said the scientist
claim that that ship is sailing over the curvature of the Earth
and that's why you can't see it,I said, But due to new

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technology, you can pull out a brand new camera like a Nikon
P-1000, and you can take and youcan shine that camera over there
and you can still see the ship. Guess what?
It didn't go over the curve and you can see it out 50 miles away
where it should be way over the curve.
There should be like 1000 feet of water in between, but you can

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still see it. I said because it has nothing to
do with the curve. It has to do with how far your
human eye can see, and it's called perspective.
Everything appears to go down and smaller from perspective.
Has nothing to do with curvature.
And I said you can prove that yourself with a camera or a
telescope, you can walk right out there and see past distances

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that according to NASA and the globe people on their Earth
curvature calculator that you can type in on your phone, on
Google, you can prove that calculator wrong just by with
visually looking with your own eyes.
So now you go out and look with your own eyes and you tell me if
that calculation is correct. And that calculation is what

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they're telling you. I mean, that's what they're
basing everything off of is thatcalculation.
And any person can walk right outside and prove it's not true.
Let's go check, go check it out.And that's that's what I tell
him. That's awesome.
Did could you tell in his eyes, did you spark a little bit of
curiosity there? I think so because I gave him a
bumper sticker. OK.

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And later on I came through and he said, Hey, I took your bumper
sticker and I stuck it on the wall in the break room.
He said, so now everybody has tosee it.
Nice. So I mean, you know, he could
have just thrown it in the trash, you know?
That's good though, that, that, that's awesome.
And you know, I, I always talk about the water cooler theories,
right? It it's OK to be at work and on

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your break to talk about JFK, even the moon landing, which
again, when you think about it, they, they lied about if, if you
believe the history books, right, they lied man's greatest,
they lied about man's greatest accomplishment.
How after that? Like if if you believe they lied
about the moon landing, how can you not question every single

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other piece of information in the history books?
I agree. I agree.
Well, of course, like I said, I don't believe in the moon
landing, obviously, of course. And yes, I've, I've doubted it
from day one when I heard it years ago, when I had no proof
and didn't have the Internet to research it, I didn't believe
it. I just just never believed it.

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And yeah, I mean, but now, now my question is on some of those,
you know, and I get asked this question a lot.
It's like, well, how many peoplehave to be in on this to lie,
you know, to keep this lie going?
I'm like really not that many because here's why most of your,
I'm going to say air quote here,scientist, so-called scientist
today. Even if they're not a scientist,

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let's just say they're an educated politician.
Whatever they are, if you go to a normal college and school, you
will be indoctrinated to say this happened.
So it let's just hypothetically say you went to school for
history, OK? That's what you were taught as
part of the history. And the teacher teaching you

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that doesn't know any better either, because that's what they
were taught. So they believe it and they're
teaching you something. They believe they have no facts,
they never saw it, they have no proof.
That's just what they were taught.
And so now they're teaching it to you, OK.
And you have to learn it to passthe course.
So these people, initially, there had to be so many people

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in on it once. Once those people are, you know,
covered by media and lies, and then it's put into a textbook.
From then on, everybody is taught something that's a lie as
fact. And they don't have to be in on
it anymore. They're just a byproduct of the
lies and propaganda that that's all you know, It's not like

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they're purposely trying to mislead you.
That's what they were taught. They believe it.
I agree. And I tell people, I, I think
the larger the organization is actually the easier it is to
hide these type of things, whether it's the military
because of the compartmentalization.
People think that NASA is this small organization that there's

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like 20,000 employees and it's, you know, it's not just
astronauts. They have contractors that that
they've got what they call academia, all these other
things. Everybody has their little
section of what they do and veryfew people, probably less than
10 and maybe that numbers. I actually know what's going on.

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Right. I agree.
And we know that well that things are going on right under
people's noses. And when we figured this out,
supposedly with this doge, you know, they, they've got all this
stuff going on and this money going out that people are
completely unaware of. And they hide it in different

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lines and they hide everything under, you know, whatever they
can do to, to steal. And NASA's got to be doing the
same thing. You know they don't, they don't
tell you everything. You're like, if you're lying, if
your job is to code or your job is to record something, that's
all you're able to do. And then you're like, what am I
recording? Oh, you're recording the heart

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rate of an astronaut on the moon.
OK, That's what you're doing. Now.
That guy could be in the room next door.
You have no idea. You don't know where the signals
coming from, per SE. It's just it's piped into your
soul and you're recording it andyou're monitoring it and for all
we know it could be AI generatedand they're not going to tell

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you that. So then when you go home, you
can say with a clear conscience,yes, I monitored the astronauts
heartbeat on the moon. That's what I do.
I know they're on the moon. I'm monitoring their heartbeat.
Really, you're not monitoring anything.
You're just sitting there like in a in a video game and the
people behind the two way glass over here, you know that are

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watching everything that do knowwhat's going on.
They're making fun of you sayingthis idiot over here, he really
thinks he's on to something, don't he?
Yeah, and mockery is, is a huge part of their game.
They laugh at us. I, I, you know, I, I tell
people, you look at every movie from the late 50s until today,
almost every single movie has a,a globe in it.

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You look at the TV shows, mid tolate 50s, even Leave it to
Beaver, every single episodes got a, a globe in it.
And you know, it goes back to Edward Bernays and Goebbels, all
these people who really understand how the mind works
and how they're able to suddenlyleave these things embolden in

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your mind to believe. So when the these when you're
actually taught these things or you're told these things, you're
just simply willing to accept it.
Yeah, that's well, I was, I had saw a thing to where, you know,
people are are asking about NASAand supposedly it's on doge and
of course they figured this out that they have a huge production

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facility. It has to do with making movies
and stuff. And people are like, well, I
don't understand why NASA would have that other than their, you
know, faking stuff. That's obviously the first
thing. But it's like, think about it.
How do you think that all these movies and, and it's, it's every
movie. Like I'm, I, I don't watch new
stuff 'cause I don't want to seePhil, that I don't want to see

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nudity. I don't want any cussing.
So I watch a lot of old crime stuff like Kojak and Barnaby
Jones. I mean stuff that's filmed in
the 60s that has no cussing, nothing.
Every single episode. And it doesn't matter what it
is. There's a globe in it.
So somebody is telling these producers to put this stuff in

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it. Because if you were a regular
producer of a crime show and you're talking about a murder,
you have no reason to come up with outer space, OK?
It has nothing to do with it. So I believe these NASA guys
that this, that's all part of the studio thing.
They have these consultants, if you want to call them that, they
come in and say, OK, you're going to make a movie.

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You're part of Hollywood. Now here's the consultant.
Now you need to set up your stage.
You're set this certain way. And in every scene or every
other scene or at least one scene, we're going to have this
big globe set up. Has nothing to do with the plot,
has nothing. What is usually an out of place,
but we're going to have it. So we're going to film this in a

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in a fake police station, but onthe on the main policeman's
desk. He needs to have this globe.
And so every single thing, even if it's not science fiction,
they've got the propaganda machine running 100% of the
time, you know? 20247365, yeah.

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So as soon as the show starts tocome up, it shows you outer
space. Yeah. 99% of all of the logos of
all these movie places is some kind of a planet or something
floating in space, or the Earth floating in space and something
flying around it, you know, And then every scene, or at least
one scene in the main office or wherever it is in this movie,

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they've got a globe. They've always got something to
do with globe. And if they ever do any talking.
And I even saw this like on Murder She Wrote one of the
episodes. You know, of course, they always
have a globe somewhere. But then they mention dinosaur
bone and it lived 30 million years ago.
That's right. And it's like you just had to
throw that end in ya. So even in a show like that,

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they have to throw evolution in there.
Evolution. Evolution has to be taught no
matter what. So yeah, yeah, it's just
indoctrination, propaganda. That's how they do it.
Flood you flood your mind with it constantly.
And, and it's all meant to trivialize God, make you think
you're just a speck and you, youwere here by accident.

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You're only here, you know, if you think, well, the, if the
earth is 10 million years old and I've only been here for,
I'll only be here for 7080 yearsold, it, it really trivialize
your existence. And it, it takes away the
understanding is that God created you and put you here for
a specific reason. And, and I say to to everyone
who is, you know, in this timeline right now on the earth

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in 2025, God put you here because you can handle it.
He knew that this was going to be a difficult time.
I believe 911, you know, it was some type of a cult event,
something that brought in an evil era in the last 25 years.
If you look back at everything, whether it's war, famine, 9/11

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itself, the economy, the digitalage, COVID, the summer of 2020
that they stopped hiding their evil and, and it's in our face
now. And, and I think for the people
who are here, while things may look bleak, if you, you know,
have Jesus in your heart and youaccept them as your Lord and
Savior, there's nothing on this earth that should scare you.

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I agree. I agree 100% with that.
I, I've often thought that it's almost a prerequisite for the
devil to have to divulge what he's doing.
Now, I don't have this, I was telling somebody this here a
while back and they're like, cancan you tell me where it says it
in the Bible? I said, well, it doesn't say

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that in the Bible. But what I'm telling you is that
it just seems like, you know, obviously, obviously the devil
is in control of the earth of this world right now because it,
that's what that's what the Bible says.
And I believe that God is allowing him to do it for sure.
But he says, go ahead and tell people what you're doing.
And he's either making him tell it or either the devil's like,

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you know what, I'm going to tellit.
And people are so dumb or so ignorant of what's going on
around them. I can literally tell them what
I'm doing and they still won't believe it.
They will still follow me. So I'll tell them, you know,
that I'm killing people and they'll say, OK, no problem.
And I don't know that he, it's arequirement that the devil has

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to do that. Or if he's doing it on his own,
which I don't know, but I do believe that that is being done.
And, you know, you can go back and watch all kinds of old
videos on all these Hollywood movie stars where they're
admitting they worship the devil.
They're admitting they have demons come and visit them and
they visit them in their beds. And I mean, I don't know if

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you've seen all those videos, but it's unbelievable what these
so-called superstars are admitting to, you know, it.
And a lot of the stuff they, they're admitting to committing
crimes, but when they do it, they do it on like a late night
talk show. And so then they admit to
committing a heinous crime that me or you would go to prison

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for. And what they do is they hit the
applause button, see. And so everybody laughs and
claps like it's really funny, but they're telling you
something that's disgusting and they're getting away with it.
Yeah. Rules for thee, but not for me.
The rules only apply to us. If me or you went on on ATV show

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and said that you know we're rubbing baby's blood on our face
for murdered babies, nobody would laugh.
No, and the FBI would be waitingoutside for it, Yeah.
But when you do it and you're Sandra Bullock and you do it on
a Tonight Show or whatever it is, everybody laughs and
applauds like it's a big funny joke.
Yeah. You know.

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Yep. And, and unfortunately, I, I
think there's a lot of people out there who don't quite
understand the evil of this world.
Obviously not. There's I in fact, I talked to a
guy the other day about that andhe said, well, you know, I got
saved when I was young and I just don't see the evil in the
world. Like I don't see how that's
possible. I'm like, if you really got

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saved. Of course then he said he got
saved at six years old, which isa red flag to me because I just
don't believe a child 6 year oldcan understand.
But they're getting saved. No.
So I, I, I don't believe that number one.
That's a big red flag. And then go to say, I just don't
see the evil in the world. I, I just, I'm just so
sheltered. I'm like, I don't understand

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what you're talking about. I guess.
I mean, the more when I, after Igot saved and I started praying
for discernment and I, I, I prayed to God that he would show
me the truth. I mean, the stuff that I have
seen now is frightening. It is.
I mean, it's not. It's not getting any better,
that's for sure. Well they'll lead you to believe
it is that Trump and Elon are coming to save the day and it

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people shouldn't question the fact that someone who's
considered the countries largestcontract government contractor
is now running things. There was a story that just came
out. You would mention Doge.
Elon Musk has entertained the idea of a Dodge dividend, which
would give $5000 checks to American taxpayers funded by
government savings. That's one sentence.

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You could take away 1000 things from it.
How are we saving money by giving every individual $5000?
And the fact that Elon Musk all of a sudden, you know, runs part
of the government when he is a government contractor.
And I, when I was in the military, I did contracts.
And that is a huge conflict of interest that in a real world
just would never be allowed. To happen, right.

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Well, you know, I did vote, eventhough I look back and think
that it was, you know, I'll probably just.
I don't really think the vote counts.
I think that I think that these people are selected, not
elected, OK. And I don't believe that Musk is
the genius that he's portrayed to be.

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I believe that everything, like I said, everything is fake.
And if somebody believes that man is a genius, just watch his
latest thing when he was up there talking to Trump and Trump
is trying, you know, tells him to explain a few things.
He he can barely get out a sentence, OK?
He stumbles, stutters, backs up.I mean, it's like he's got a

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mouth full of marbles or whatever it is, but he can
barely make a sentence. And so I don't, you know, I
don't know, Obviously, I believethese guys are a means to an
end. And I believe the Bible's
correct. I believe we're getting worse
and worse. I believe certain things have to

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happen in order for of course, Ibelieve in the rapture.
I believe, you know, the seven years of tribulation or Jacob's
trouble as it's called in the King James Bible.
And I believe that's coming. And to get that stuff, you know,
in order every, there certain has to be certain things in
place, you know, and to get, in other words, according to the

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according to the Scripture, halfway in the middle of Jacob's
trouble, the Antichrist is revealed and he sets up the mark
of the beast. Well, he does this from the
temple. Well, we don't have a temple
yet. So he's operating 3 1/2 years
into this out of a temple that we don't have built yet.

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So I've always told people, if you really want to get down to
the timeline, if you see that temple being built, if that's in
your lifetime, you better start really paying attention because
the Bible says 3 1/2 years afterthat temple's built, the
Antichrist is going to reveal himself and implement the mark
of the beast. OK, Well, they're talking about

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that temple all the time now. They've got the red heifers.
They've got that ready. Trump is getting, you know,
talking about taking over Gaza. We're going to have total peace.
We've got the peace coming up. I have a feeling they're going
to start on that temple anytime.And when they do, I mean, it's
like, well, they're, they're needing Trump and, you know,

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Musk, they're just a couple of people in line to to fulfill
Bible prophecy is all it is. You can't change it because the
Bible's already prophesied. It's going to happen.
So yeah, if you've got Jesus Christ and you're saved, you got
nothing to worry about. You're either going to be
raptured or not. But you know, I believe you will

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be if you're actually truly saved.
I don't believe God is going to point you to his wrath.
And I believe that the seven-year of Jacob's trouble is
God's wrath being poured out upon the earth.
And so you'll you'll get to missthat.
And you know, you have really have nothing to fear if you're
truly saved right now. If you're not, I'm sure it's

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scary. You know, people don't know
what's going to happen and they don't know what's going to
happen to them and all that stuff.
But you know, that's that's whatleaning on Christ does for you.
Absolutely. It takes such a weight off your
shoulders. It really does.
And you live your life in a different way and listen to, to
come full circle, Biblical cosmology was really did play a

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big part. So looking at it from my point
of view, and again, people will argue that it's not salvation.
I can tell you from a first person point of view how it
changed my life, how it took thefear out of my life, how it
taught me to, to really read andstudy the Bible.
So listen, Kenny, this has been just a great conversation.

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I'm so happy and thankful that you came on the podcast.
And as always, I like to give myguests the final word.
Anything you'd like to to say tothe audience?
Remind them where they can find you, whatever you'd like to say.
OK, well, I appreciate that. Well, again, my name is Kenny
Williamson. I have a website,
itsflatbro.com. You can also go to

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kennywilliamson.com. And it's my ministry called
Truth Seekers Ministry. That's what I'm about is truth.
And I named my podcast Mckillsdeck Chronicles.
And a lot of people call it conspiracy theories, but I call
it just the truth. You know, reading between the
lines, I encourage that people go out and actually read their

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Bible. I encourage it to be a King
James Bible. And I think if you were to take
stuff like out of out of my bookand compare it scripturally, you
can see that I believe that the Bible's 100% correct.
It's an accurate book. It's not a science book, but
everything that it mentions about science is true, and

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science won't save you. Obviously, you only need Jesus
Christ and to believe in Jesus Christ and rely on Him and what
He did on the cross, That's the ultimate thing.
But once you figure that out, then I would pray for
discernment, pray for truth, andit's going to be really hard for
the government to come in and fool you.

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So the next time something like 911 happens, you're going to be
able to see right through it. You know, the next time some
other big, you know, pandemic happens, you're going to be able
to have enough discernment to know whether or not you need to
believe in anything they tell you.
So that's what I would do. I would just make sure you're
saved, obviously seek Jesus Christ 1st and then yeah.

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If you have any questions or comments, go to my website.
You can check me out or e-mail me.
I think you said you're going toinclude all those links at the
bottom. So I'm I'm easy to get in touch
with if you'd want to talk or beon the show or want me to be on
your show, just just look me up.I'm always available.
Well done and again, thank you so much for your time and just

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you know you have an incredible grasp of everything.
Congratulations on your three books.
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Look forward to the next one. Keep your hat on a swivel and
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