April 2, 2025 • 44 mins
What is the Rapture, and will believers escape the coming tribulation? In this episode, we take a deep dive into the biblical prophecies surrounding the Rapture, the seven-year period of Jacob’s Trouble, and whether Christians will have to endure God's wrath. We’ll break down key scriptures from the King James Bible to uncover the truth about the end times.
We also explore the Judgment Seat of Christ—what it is, who will stand before it, and what it means for believers.
Join me as we challenge mainstream interpretations, explore what the Bible actually says, and uncover the reality of what’s coming. Don’t miss this in-depth discussion on one of the most important topics in biblical prophecy!
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Hello, this is Kenny Williamson,and welcome back to another
episode of Mckill's Deck Chronicles.
In today's episode, we are goingto be talking just a little bit
about the rapture of the church.And what I did not realize about
this particular topic is that itseems to be very controversial
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among a lot of people. And I'd, I really don't
understand why. But I have been, of course,
producing lots of podcasts and I've been putting, putting a lot
of videos out, some on TikTok and Patreon, all those YouTube
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Rumble. So I've been putting some videos
out. Well, I have got several people
contact me through X and throughmy e-mail and even through
regular mail. I had somebody send me a letter
and basically they told me that the Rapture is Satanic.
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They said, you know, they said, you know, we like what you're
doing on this, this and this andthis, but this, this whole
Rapture thing, the Rapture is 100% Satanic in nature.
And one of these guys, I actually talked to him on the
phone about it and that's what he said on the phone as well.
He said, you know, the the rapture is just purely satanic
teaching. And I was trying to figure out,
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you know, why he thinks it's satanic.
Never really could get the answer, but I noticed there's a
lot of people that have contacted me that have said the
same thing. So I kind of wanted to talk just
a little bit about that for a moment now, just to lay out the
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timeline here in case you didn'tknow it.
Basically where we're at right now.
If you believe in different dispensations in the Bible like
I do, we are in the what you would call the church age.
OK, So after Christ died on the cross, he became basically the
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New Testament. OK.
That's if you believe in Jesus Christ and believe that He died
on the cross and believe he shedhis blood, and you put your
faith in that, you can be saved.Now, prior to that, I don't
believe you could be saved by that apparatus because Christ
had not died on the cross. So prior to Christ dying on the
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cross, you could not be saved byhis shed blood because His blood
had not been shed, if that makessense.
And there's a verse in the Bibleand I have to look it up, but it
basically says talks about the death of the testator.
So you have to have a death of the testator to have a New
Testament, OK, which is what happened.
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So now after his death and people got saved and they
believe in him, they are now considered part of his body.
You know, it says it's, you know, what does what does it
say? Bone of his bone, flesh of his
flesh. You're part of his church now
his the body of Christ. OK.
And of course I get in lots of debates with people all the time
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on which church and obviously the church in the Bible is a
Bible believing person who believes in Jesus Christ.
And once you're saved, you're part of his body.
And he calls that his body, the church.
OK, So it's not a in particular building.
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It's not a church building. OK.
And a lot of people don't believe that either.
They're like, Oh no, it's it's abuilding.
It's a building. Well, I don't believe that's
biblical. Christ's body, his bride, the
church is not a particular building.
Because if that was the case, then you'd have to say, well,
which one is it? Because there's church buildings
all over. So you've got Christ's body, the
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church, and in this particular age, we are saved by grace
through faith in the faith of Jesus Christ.
That's what we get saved. That's how we get saved.
We don't get saved through good works.
We don't get saved for through good looks.
We don't get saved, you know, because we're a king or a queen.
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None of that matters. Jesus Christ is not a respecter
of persons. OK, so it doesn't matter what
your title is, if you're not saved through Jesus Christ, then
you're nothing to him and you will be eventually punished and
judged for it. So used to you had a Jew, you
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had a Gentile, and then you had,you know, a believer.
And Christ comes in and he says,if you're a believer, you are
now no longer Jew or Gentile. You're just one of his children.
OK, So that's the age we're in now.
Now there is going to come a time when that's going to
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change, OK? And the next thing that's going
to happen according to what I believe and what lots of people
believe, is the next big event that's going to happen is going
to be the rapture of the church.Now, the word rapture is not in
the Bible, OK? It's called the catching away
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and being caught up, but in Thessalonians it talks about it
and we'll go over some of that stuff.
But basically the next thing that's going to happen, Christ
comes down to the clouds. He doesn't come all the way down
to the ground. He basically with a trumpet
sound. The people who were already dead
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in Christ, their bodies will be resurrected and their souls will
be put back in them, taken to heaven.
Those which are alive and remain, who are alive at the
time that this happens, they will be caught up and their body
will be changed in the twinklingof an eye, OK?
That's what that's what we believe.
Now from there, when we go up, basically what starts here on
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earth is a time of great tribulation, or what's called
Jacob's trouble, OK? This particular time is designed
specifically for the Jews, OK, Because we have the Jews are
scattered out all over. There's a lot of them in Israel,
wherever they're at. They're non believers.
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They do not believe in Jesus Christ.
Well, he wants to bring them back.
So now comes a time of great tribulation called Jacob's
trouble for the Jews. Now, while this takes seven
years, now while this seven-yeartribulation is going on on
earth, we will have been taken up and we will attend the
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marriage supper of the Lamb. We will also be judged on the
Bema seat judgement, which is where as a Christian you've
lived your life. Now you get judged on what
you've done as a Christian and based on what you've done or
haven't done, you will either receive rewards or you will
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receive no rewards. OK, so while all this is going
on in heaven and we're getting judged and getting our rewards
and, you know, and the marriage supper, the lamb down here on
earth, we have God's wrath beingpoured out for seven years.
OK, after the seven years, Christ then returns again.
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OK, He gathers up his elect thathave survived this, which is
kind of like another rapture. He, he pulls them out, has the
angels pick them up, pulls them out.
And so he gathers them up and then he comes on down and he
starts judging everybody that's left.
And so that's basically the Battle of Armageddon.
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OK, so that's that's kind of thetimeline.
So I'm assuming that these guys,based on what they've been
telling me that there is no rapture.
So they believe that the body ofChrist will have to endure those
seven years and you have to makeit through it, I guess either
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that or be killed in the process.
So I'm not 100% sure why they believe that.
And the Bible has examples too that I know of for sure where,
you know, God doesn't usually, or I don't think has ever
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really, He doesn't pour out his wrath on people that are his
children. OK, Now he can allow stuff to be
done. He can allow man to do stuff to
man, but it's not God's wrath. OK, So that's, that's one of the
things is you will hear these Christian guys like these guys
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telling me this, they'll say, well, you know, Jesus even talks
about tribulation for believers.And that's true.
You know, for example, John 1633, he says these things I've
spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.
So in Christ you'll have peace in the world.
Ye shall have tribulation, OK, But be of good cheer.
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I have overcome the world. So if you're a Christian and
you're trying to live right in this world, you will have
tribulation, OK? You will have people not like
you. You won't get invited to
parties. You will be unpopular.
That's here in other countries. You'll have your head cut off.
You'll be beaten, you'll be tortured, you'll be killed.
That's tribulation, OK. So depending on where you're at
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in this earth, you will face tribulation as a Christian and
that's what Christ is talking about, OK, Christ is not doing
this to you, OK, God is not doing this to you.
Man is doing it to you. This is man made tribulation.
OK And we, we can say this againlike in Matthew 24, nine it says
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then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and she'll kill
you. Ye shall be hated of all nations
for my name's sake. So you will be delivered up and
you'll be killed. You know, depending on when and
where I believe this Matthew 24,there is actually taking place
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during the seven years of Jacob's trouble.
But either way that can happen now as well.
But you know, that is man's tribulation.
That is not God's tribulation. And for an example real quick of
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how God typically removes any ofhis children before he delivers
wrath would be the very first one to be Noah and Noah's ark.
OK, Noah lived in a world where there was all kinds of stuff
going on and God didn't like it,and God decided he wanted to
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destroy it. So according to the Bible, Noah
and his family were the only ones that were basically
righteous at that point. So God says, OK, well I want to
destroy the world, but you, you know, you ate down here.
You're the only ones that are any good.
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So I want to pour my wrath out, but I don't want to kill you
too. So I need you to build an ark.
And when you're done, you get init and I'm going to kill
everybody else. And so they were able to sail on
to safety. So God didn't pour out his wrath
until Noah had completed the task of building the ark.
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OK, He didn't like right in the middle of Noah building the ark.
And so sorry about that. You know, I changed my mind.
You're dead too. Now.
He didn't do that. So then we move on a little
further on to Lot. If you remember Lot, he moved
down into Sodom and Gomorrah. God decides he wants to destroy
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Sodom and Gomorrah, the city. And you know, they've got, you
know, going back and forth of how many righteous people, We'll
come to find out. The only people that were
Christians, if you will, are righteous who believed in God
was Lot and a couple of his family members.
So God says, OK, I'm going to destroy it, but I need to get
Lot and his family out first. So before God pours out his
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wrath, he wants a lot removed. Everybody else is going to die.
The dogs, the cats, the kids, the babies, I mean, everything,
everything else is laid waste. But he wants a lot and his
family out. So, you know, he sends a couple
angels down there to get him out.
And this, you know, this pouringout of wrath, which is going to
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be fire and brimstone in this particular instance is imminent.
It's going to be any time now. OK, so, but lot of course, he's
reluctant. He doesn't want to leave.
Why? Well, he's a Sinner.
You know, he's he's he's a Sinner and he don't want to
leave, but he does. He is a child of God.
He believes. So God's going to save him.
And so this also can lead into one save to always save.
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But we'll talk about that some other time.
So, so God's fixing to pour out this wrath and he says, hey, get
him out of here and he doesn't want to leave.
So the angels have to physicallypick his butt up and drag him
out. They have to pick him up, lift
him up and take him out of town.And the moment he gets out of
town, boom, the city's destroyed.
OK, so again, God doesn't pour out his wrath on his believers,
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on his children. OK, so now Fast forward up to
Jacob's trouble, which has not happened yet.
It is being foretold and it's probably coming pretty close.
You know, we've got to have, youknow, one of the things it talks
about that happens right in the very beginning that kind of
kicks this thing off is A7 year peace treaty with Israel.
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OK. So are we close to A7 year peace
treaty? I don't know.
Probably. I mean, we're probably, they're
supposedly trying to get peace over there right now, OK, Right
after this seven-year peace treaty gets kicked in, OK, they
start rebuilding the Third Temple.
And I've also had people tell me, oh, there's no such thing as
an actual temple. You're the temple.
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Yes, I understand that, that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit
lives in you. You are the temple.
But we are saved, OK? Yes, as a Christian, we are the
temple. But we're talking about Jews and
Israel who are not saved, OK? We're not talking about
Christians. We're not talking about Christ's
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body, OK? We're talking about Jews who
live in Israel, and they do not believe in Jesus Christ.
They they are still waiting for their Messiah, OK.
And they think that in order to get this thing going, they need
to be sacrificing animals in a temple.
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So they have full plans to rebuild the temple.
And they've already supposedly got two or three red heifers
over there that came from Texas.And they've been over there for
a couple of years now. And they're supposedly perfect.
And they, they're the ones they need to cleanse this stuff.
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So they have to slaughter these red heifers and burn them and
take their ashes. And they have to use these ashes
to get this temple going. So they've supposedly got
everything lined up. They want to build the temple.
They've got the red heifers. We don't have a peace treaty yet
in order to get the temple built, but that is what the
Bible says starts off this sevenyears of Jacob's trouble.
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Jacob, meaning Israel, OK, this is 7 years of Israel's trouble.
This, this seven years of tribulation, OK, is designed
specifically for the Jewish people to bring them back to
God, OK. This is a punishment for them.
So now, logically speaking, God wants to punish a group of
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people who have disobeyed him and who don't believe in his Son
Jesus Christ. And they need signs.
You know, the Bible says that Jews require a sign.
So he has to give them lots of signs to get them to come back.
Logically speaking, why would Jesus Christ Church, who are
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saved already, who don't need a temple, you know, because the
temple is in us. We don't believe in any of that
stuff. Why would we have to go through
that whenever it's not for us? And again, this is not man's
tribulation. This is God purposely pouring
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out his wrath on these people toget them to come back.
Now, there are going to be lots of other nations involved in
this other than Israel, unjust nations.
And yeah, they're going to be, Iguess what you'd call a, you
know, they're going to get destroyed too.
And this, this particular thing is not for them.
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And maybe they can get saved in the process.
Obviously, there are going to bepeople saved during the
tribulation, you know, and one example of that is Matthew 24.
And it's talking about Christ coming down at the end of
Jacob's trouble. And it says, And then she'll
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appear, the appear, the sign of the Son of man in heaven.
And then shall the tribes, all the tribes of each mourn, and
they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory. And he being Christ, shall send
his angels with a great sound ofa trumpet, and they shall gather
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together His elect from the fourwinds, from one end of heaven to
the other. Now I've heard people say, Well,
this, this can't mean anything about the tribulation because it
says his elect. Well, anybody that's saved or is
is his, you know, his one of hischildren is considered the
elect. So right now we would be
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considered the elect in this time that we live in.
And the his elect should be gathered up and raptured.
These elect here are gathered upat the end of the tribulation.
And this is another verse. Now, I've heard people misuse
this as a rapture all the time. But it says it's Luke 1734.
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And it says, I tell you in that night there shall be two men in
one bed and one shall be taken and the other be left.
Two women will be grinding together.
The one shall be taken and the other left.
Two men shall be in the field, one shall be taken and the other
left. And I've heard pastors talk
about this before on this, this particular verse.
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And they're like, see, that's the rapture.
These two are getting taken. No, that is not the rapture.
It's a type of rapture, but it'snot pre tribulation rapture.
This right here, as it is at theend of Jacob's trouble, sometime
at the end. So at the end of the
tribulation, people who have survived and got saved during
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this tribulation period and havenot taken the mark of the beast,
that's when Christ comes down. He sends his angels together,
His elect. Those are the people getting
gathered. So the people that are left are
the ones that are going to be judged.
The ones that are taken are the ones that are taken, like up in
a rapture, OK, They're the elect.
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So they get taken. And then God does Armageddon,
OK, Then he judges everybody. So if you were left, you're in
trouble, OK? If you were left the first time,
you're in trouble. So this is another example here
of a rapture when people are taken, but we've got the first
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one too. So they'll say, well, this isn't
the first one. This is, you know, this is
everybody getting. But the point of the matter is,
is God specifies several times that as a Christian you are not
appointed to wrath. You know, he doesn't pour his
wrath out upon his children. So there's no reason to believe
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you would have to suffer throughthe tribulation.
And then if you make it at the end and you're still alive,
you're considered an elect 1 then and you're you're scooped
up. You know, there, there's no
reason to to even think that youknow, and I have multiple verses
here. Let's let's just go over here.
For example, we have First Thessalonians 110 it says, and
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to wait for his Son from heaven,whom he raised from the dead,
Even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
How did he do that? It's because we got saved.
We believed in Jesus Christ, so we don't have to endure the
wrath to come, because we're already saved.
OK, First Thessalonians 59 For God hath not appointed us to
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wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Again, God, He's not appointed us to wrath, you know, He didn't
allow Noah to live through the wrath.
He didn't allow Lot to live through the wrath.
Why would he allow us to live through the wrath?
OK? Romans 59 much more than being
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now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath
through Him. Now we already know Jesus has
talked many, many times about how you will suffer tribulation
for His name's sake. OK, tribulation and wrath are
two different things. Tribulation from men is
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completely different. He never says here, oh, once you
get saved, you'll no longer haveany tribulation.
You know, you'll just be on cloud 9 and people will just
love you. He never says that.
OK, He says you are going to have tribulation, but wrath is
what God pours out. OK, again.
OK, let's see Revelation 310 Because thou has kept the word
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of my patience, I will also keepthee from the hour of
temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them
that dwell upon the earth. The hour of temptation is
tribulation is the tribulation is Jacob's trouble, OK?
It's not man's tribulation, it'sGod's wrath.
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So keeping keeping you from the hour of temptation is keeping
you from God's wrath. OK, so now we move on.
We've got John 336 He that believeth on the Son have
everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not
see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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So that's another example of if you believe in the Son Jesus
Christ and you're saved by his blood, yes, you'll be saved from
wrath. But if you don't, the wrath of
God will be on you and you will,you know, obviously probably die
from it. Because if you read through the
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different things that happened there at the beginning of
Revelation, you know, with the, the white horses and the, the
bowls and the, all that, the scrolls, all the different
judgements that are poured out. I mean, you know, right off the
bat, like a third of the population is killed.
So I don't know where this population is going to be.
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Who knows, maybe it's third world countries.
I don't know where it is, but a bunch of people are going to
die. But he says, you know, this
wrath isn't going to be put uponyou if you believe, you know, if
you have salvation by the Lord Jesus Christ.
So that ought to tell you just about everything you need to
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know about that. So again, I don't believe for
one second that God is going to have his children, his body go
through wrath that he's pouring out.
It doesn't make any sense. So in order to avoid that,
you're going to have to be takenup.
You're going to have to get out of it.
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So how you know how are you going to get out of it?
Well, that's where the that's where the rapture comes in.
OK. The rapture is a word used for
the catching away because the word rapture is not in the
Bible. OK, so but it's an it's just an
example, you know, it's kind of like it's a word used to
describe something. So but we could call it, if we
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want to be technically accurate with King James Bible, it would
be the catching away. OK, so rapture first, First
Thessalonians 4 For the Lord himself shall descend from
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with
the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then
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we which are alive and remain shall be caught up.
There's the rapture together with him in the clouds to meet
the Lord in the air, and so shall ever we be with the Lord.
Now just that verse alone I had a guy say he goes, You believe
in the rapture. Well when when you get raptured,
where do you go? Where would you go?
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Where do you go? So to forever be with the Lord?
I mean, clearly you're going up to heaven.
I mean, you believe that when you die, your soul goes to
heaven, right? Your spirit goes back to God who
gave it. Your soul goes to heaven.
Your body goes to the grave, OK,until it's resurrected.
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So your soul is in heaven. The Bible talks about souls
being clothed in heaven, and they're waiting on their bodies,
you know, so the body eventuallyis given back to them, but
they're a soul. So I guess they're like a
disembodied person or whatever they are, you know, up there.
And yeah, I mean, that's where you'd go.
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I mean, the Bible says to be absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord. So we know if you're saved and
you're absent from your body, your soul, it's going to be with
the Lord like this. And so shall we ever be with the
Lord? There's where you're at now
what? What all are you going to be
doing up there? Well, I don't know exactly what
you're going to be doing in heaven.
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You know, the Bible doesn't say exactly here's what you're going
to be doing every single day of the week.
I mean, we don't know, but it says we're going to forever be
with the Lord. We're going to have eternity,
you know, eternal type bodies. We're going to live for
eternity. I mean, that's the whole goal of
this thing, right? So, you know, and though those
which are alive and remain will be caught up together.
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So in other words, if you're alive when this happens, you're
going to get caught up. That's that's the rapture.
That's what they call it. OK, so we can move on here to
1st Corinthians 15. It says, behold, I show you a
mystery. We shall not all sleep.
That means death, OK? But we shall all be changed in a
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moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump, For the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
This is another example of FirstThessalonians.
OK, so the dead shall be raised incorruptible.
So in other words, if you're dead in Christ, so somebody you
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know has died, but they were saved.
Their souls in heaven. They're in heaven right now, but
their body is not in heaven. Their body is in the grave, OK,
But that body is going to be raised and it's going to be
raised incorruptible. It's going to be changed into
something different, and it's going to head on up to heaven.
And then those that were alive, it says, and we shall be
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changed. We shall be changed in the
twinkling of an eye. So obviously you're alive.
You're standing there, boom, allof a sudden your body's changed.
In the twinkling of an eye, the people that were already dead
and buried, their bodies get raised incorruptible and we go
to heaven. We go to heaven with the Lord.
I mean, that's basically what itis.
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That's what it boils down to. So, you know, again, I don't
know how somebody would come up with and say, hey, what you're
saying there about that and all about how the Bible says you do
not have to endure wrath. And we see how the dead is going
to be raised. We see that how our bodies are
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going to be changed in the twinkling of an eye.
We know that Jesus says he's going to prepare a place for us.
So that's another thing the guy says, this guy told me, he said,
well, how, where, where do we go?
That doesn't make any sense. Where do you go?
Well, John 14 says in my father's house are many
mansions. If it were not so, I would have
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told you, I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and
I will receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be
also. So that seems pretty obvious
where you're going. I mean, you're getting a mansion
prepared for you in heaven. You know, I don't know exactly
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what this mansion is, but there it is.
I mean, that's Jesus Christ's own words.
And of course we've got in Titus2, it says looking for that
blessed hope and the glorious appearing of that great God and
our Savior Jesus Christ. So when you hear people, you
know, talk about the rapture, they refer to it as the blessed
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hope. That's what I refer to.
That's what I refer to it as is the blessed hope.
And you know we have proof verses that talk about the Bema
seat. Judgement is what they call it.
For example, 2nd Corinthians 5 says For we must all appear
before the judgement seat of Christ, that everyone may
receive the things done in his body according to that he hath
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done, whether it be good or bad.So there is a judgement seat of
Christ. OK.
The judgement seat of Christ is not the White Throne judgement,
OK. The White Throne judgement comes
after the seven years of Jacob'strouble, OK, Christ returns and
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then Christ rules and reigns on this earth for 1000 years.
That's called the Millennium, the millennial Kingdom.
Christ rules with an iron fist, it says, for 1000 years.
After the 1000 years is over, the devil, Satan is loosed for a
little while it says, and he's able to turn some people that
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were alive in this thousand years against Christ again.
And these armies, he amasses some armies, and these armies
come to dethrone Christ off of his throne.
And then Christ destroys them. It says that I believe fire and
brimstone falls down and burns them all up.
At that point, he throws the devil into the bottomless pit.
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OK, it's done. He's over with.
And then it talks about the White Throne judgement, where
the books are opened. Now, this is where the people
who have been in hell this wholetime, they will all be brought
forward. Because see, think about it.
You, let's say you didn't get saved right now in the Church
age and you die. Well, unfortunately, you go to
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hell. OK, If I die, I'm going to
heaven. If an unsaved person dies,
they're going to hell. So they're going to be in hell
all this time until the tribulation.
All of the tribulation or Jacob's trouble, they're going
to be in hell for the 1000 years.
So you're going to be in hell for quite a while.
Thousand years minimum. OK, 1007 years minimum if if you
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died now, so you get out of that.
But see, you never have really had a judgement.
You haven't been judged, you haven't been tried.
And so you're probably down there in hell thinking, you
know, I mean, I didn't get a chance.
I wasn't that bad of a person. OK, so I didn't accept Jesus
Christ, blah, blah, blah. So don't worry, you're going to
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get another. It's not another chance.
You're going to get a courtroom appearance, so to speak.
And that is the White Throne judgement.
So what they're going to do is they're going to pull you up out
of hell, clean you up a little bit, I guess.
And they're going to, this is, I'm adding some of this, Of
course, they're going to, you know, clean you up, give you a
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shower and a shave, put some fresh clothes on.
And then they're going to stand you up in front of Jesus Christ
on the throne. And they're going to have all
these angels around, all these people will be judging, and
they've got the books of life, and they're going to open up the
books, and they're going to readout of those books everything
that you have ever done that's wrong.
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And obviously the penalty of allthose sins is death.
And the only way you can get outof it is if you have somebody to
cover those sins for you, in this case Jesus Christ.
So they open up the Lamb's Book of Life to see if you've
accepted the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ.
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And lo and behold, if your name is not in that book, I'm sorry,
but you get cast into the lake of fire.
Now, obviously, if you've made it to that point, your name is
not in that book, OK? But you know, at least you get
to stand up and you get to hear what you're being accused of and
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you get to be judged. And obviously you're going to
see that you're, you know, you're guilty, you're guilty of
sin. That's obvious or you wouldn't
be there. So if I understand it right, and
I and the way I believe it is, is those that are saved, we will
be in heaven and we can we will be there watching this white
throne judgement. So we're going to get to see it.
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We're going to get to see these people and these angels, these
fallen angels, they're going to be judged as well.
You know, in First Corinthians 6, it says, know you not that we
shall judge angels? You know how much more things
that pertain to this life. So those that are God's elect,
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God's children, you know, saved through the blood of Jesus
Christ. We are going to be in heaven.
We're going to be part of that army that comes back in Christ's
second coming for Armageddon. We're going to be there during
the 1000 year Millennium, you know, probably as teachers, my
guess would be, you know, because we're going to be we're
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already going to be in our incorruptible bodies and the
people living during the Millennium will will literally
be alive because they're talk about giving birth and it talks
about the age that they die. So there's going to be people
living, breathing and multiplying during this thousand
years. So there's going to be quite a
few people. So obviously us that were went
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to heaven ahead of this. You know, we're going to be in a
perfect body and well, I'm sure we're going to be, you know,
teachers, whatever, whatever we're doing there.
And then after this all happens,we're going to be sitting up
there at this white throne judgement and we're going to be
watching these people being judged, you know, that died
previously and went to hell. And that's that's quite a few
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people, you know, and a lot of them maybe are family members.
I have a feeling that I'm going to get see lots and lots of my
family members through the ages that were not saved and that's
unfortunate, but there's nothingI can do about that.
So anyway, so that brings us back to the rapture again is,
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you know, God promises his his children not to have to go
through wrath. OK, There's many verses that
talks about the catching away, us being changed in the
twinkling of an eye, all the above.
None of that is ever mentioned at Christ's second coming when
he talks about Armageddon, when he comes back the second time,
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he comes with all of his angels or all of his army riding white
horses. He comes down, he lands on
earth, everybody sees him coming.
Everybody's scared that, you know, that knows they're going
to get punished. It talks about Christ, you know,
basically punishing and judging these people and blood being the
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depth of a horse's bridle for X amount of 100 miles.
Christ calls in all the birds and says feast, feast on all
this flesh. And it says you can feast on
kings, you can feast on all these different people because
those are the people that were judged.
They were killed during this battle of Armageddon.
So obviously, where are we at that time?
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You know, I mean, it never mentions Christ doing anything
other than, you know, gathering his elect.
And maybe that's where people are getting hung up on it.
They're like, oh, well, he's gathering his elect and that's
us. Well, but we've also got all the
stuff in Thessalonians, you know, the blessed hope.
We've got all that. And we're not appointed to God's
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wrath. So I still believe in the
rapture. You can obviously believe
anything you want, and obviouslybelieving in the rapture, I
don't believe is a salvation issue.
So let's say you got saved and you believe in Jesus Christ and
you're saved, but you're not sure about the rapture.
Well, you know, hey, if I'm right, boom here, pretty soon,
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all of a sudden you'll be changed in the twinkling of an
eye and you'll be in heaven and you'll be like, oh wow, I got
raptured. And if I'm wrong, you know me
and lots of other people are wrong about the rapture, well,
then I guess you won't get raptured.
And you know, the seven years ofJacob's trouble will start.
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We'll get to see the peace treaty.
We'll get to see the temple built 3 1/2 years into that.
We'll get to see the Antichrist revealed, in which case he will
force people to take the mark ofthe beast or you will not buy or
sell. And it specifically says if you
take that mark, you will not be able to get to heaven.
You're done. You cannot obtain salvation if
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you take the mark. So I guess we'll get to see
that. And at some point we'll have to
obviously refuse that mark and we'll be, I'm sure, killed or
starved to death for refusing it.
So it will be very miserable, itsounds like.
And that's all God's wrath. And so then I guess, you know,
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me and lots of other people willhave misunderstood it where God
says we're not appointed to wrath because it's like, well,
if you're pouring wrath out on people and the Antichrist
reveals himself and he's forcingpeople, you know, to take his
mark or they're going to get their heads cut off, obviously
I'm going to have to get my headcut off.
So because I'm not taking the mark.
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So I guess I'll be done for at some point about 3 1/2 years
into it, you know, anyway, So again, I believe the rapture.
I believe it's the catching away.
And I understand that the reasonfor Jacob's trouble is not for
me. It's for the Jewish people to
return back to Israel, to returnback, you know, to Jesus Christ,
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to get back to worshipping God like they're supposed to instead
of the stuff that they're doing now, which anybody can clearly
see what's going on now. So, you know, that's the point
of it. So I don't know or understand
why anybody that's a Christian who understands dispensations,
different dispensations in the Bible would have any, you know,
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would even think that they're going to have to go through
punishment designed for somebodyelse.
I don't, I don't know why anybody would have to do that.
Now, Tribulation from men? Yes, of course, you know,
getting banned, getting, you know, killed by a man, getting
your head cut off by a government.
Yeah, but that is not God's wrath.
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OK? There's a big difference.
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Hello, this is Kenny Williamson,and welcome back to another
episode of Mckill's Deck Chronicles.
In today's episode, we are goingto be talking just a little bit
about the rapture of the church.And what I did not realize about
this particular topic is that itseems to be very controversial
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among a lot of people. And I'd, I really don't
understand why. But I have been, of course,
producing lots of podcasts and I've been putting, putting a lot
of videos out, some on TikTok and Patreon, all those YouTube
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Rumble. So I've been putting some videos
out. Well, I have got several people
contact me through X and throughmy e-mail and even through
regular mail. I had somebody send me a letter
and basically they told me that the Rapture is Satanic.
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They said, you know, they said, you know, we like what you're
doing on this, this and this andthis, but this, this whole
Rapture thing, the Rapture is 100% Satanic in nature.
And one of these guys, I actually talked to him on the
phone about it and that's what he said on the phone as well.
He said, you know, the the rapture is just purely satanic
teaching. And I was trying to figure out,
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you know, why he thinks it's satanic.
Never really could get the answer, but I noticed there's a
lot of people that have contacted me that have said the
same thing. So I kind of wanted to talk just
a little bit about that for a moment now, just to lay out the
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timeline here in case you didn'tknow it.
Basically where we're at right now.
If you believe in different dispensations in the Bible like
I do, we are in the what you would call the church age.
OK, So after Christ died on the cross, he became basically the
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New Testament. OK.
That's if you believe in Jesus Christ and believe that He died
on the cross and believe he shedhis blood, and you put your
faith in that, you can be saved.Now, prior to that, I don't
believe you could be saved by that apparatus because Christ
had not died on the cross. So prior to Christ dying on the
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cross, you could not be saved byhis shed blood because His blood
had not been shed, if that makessense.
And there's a verse in the Bibleand I have to look it up, but it
basically says talks about the death of the testator.
So you have to have a death of the testator to have a New
Testament, OK, which is what happened.
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So now after his death and people got saved and they
believe in him, they are now considered part of his body.
You know, it says it's, you know, what does what does it
say? Bone of his bone, flesh of his
flesh. You're part of his church now
his the body of Christ. OK.
And of course I get in lots of debates with people all the time
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on which church and obviously the church in the Bible is a
Bible believing person who believes in Jesus Christ.
And once you're saved, you're part of his body.
And he calls that his body, the church.
OK, So it's not a in particular building.
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It's not a church building. OK.
And a lot of people don't believe that either.
They're like, Oh no, it's it's abuilding.
It's a building. Well, I don't believe that's
biblical. Christ's body, his bride, the
church is not a particular building.
Because if that was the case, then you'd have to say, well,
which one is it? Because there's church buildings
all over. So you've got Christ's body, the
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church, and in this particular age, we are saved by grace
through faith in the faith of Jesus Christ.
That's what we get saved. That's how we get saved.
We don't get saved through good works.
We don't get saved for through good looks.
We don't get saved, you know, because we're a king or a queen.
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None of that matters. Jesus Christ is not a respecter
of persons. OK, so it doesn't matter what
your title is, if you're not saved through Jesus Christ, then
you're nothing to him and you will be eventually punished and
judged for it. So used to you had a Jew, you
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had a Gentile, and then you had,you know, a believer.
And Christ comes in and he says,if you're a believer, you are
now no longer Jew or Gentile. You're just one of his children.
OK, So that's the age we're in now.
Now there is going to come a time when that's going to
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change, OK? And the next thing that's going
to happen according to what I believe and what lots of people
believe, is the next big event that's going to happen is going
to be the rapture of the church.Now, the word rapture is not in
the Bible, OK? It's called the catching away
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and being caught up, but in Thessalonians it talks about it
and we'll go over some of that stuff.
But basically the next thing that's going to happen, Christ
comes down to the clouds. He doesn't come all the way down
to the ground. He basically with a trumpet
sound. The people who were already dead
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in Christ, their bodies will be resurrected and their souls will
be put back in them, taken to heaven.
Those which are alive and remain, who are alive at the
time that this happens, they will be caught up and their body
will be changed in the twinklingof an eye, OK?
That's what that's what we believe.
Now from there, when we go up, basically what starts here on
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earth is a time of great tribulation, or what's called
Jacob's trouble, OK? This particular time is designed
specifically for the Jews, OK, Because we have the Jews are
scattered out all over. There's a lot of them in Israel,
wherever they're at. They're non believers.
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They do not believe in Jesus Christ.
Well, he wants to bring them back.
So now comes a time of great tribulation called Jacob's
trouble for the Jews. Now, while this takes seven
years, now while this seven-yeartribulation is going on on
earth, we will have been taken up and we will attend the
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marriage supper of the Lamb. We will also be judged on the
Bema seat judgement, which is where as a Christian you've
lived your life. Now you get judged on what
you've done as a Christian and based on what you've done or
haven't done, you will either receive rewards or you will
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receive no rewards. OK, so while all this is going
on in heaven and we're getting judged and getting our rewards
and, you know, and the marriage supper, the lamb down here on
earth, we have God's wrath beingpoured out for seven years.
OK, after the seven years, Christ then returns again.
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OK, He gathers up his elect thathave survived this, which is
kind of like another rapture. He, he pulls them out, has the
angels pick them up, pulls them out.
And so he gathers them up and then he comes on down and he
starts judging everybody that's left.
And so that's basically the Battle of Armageddon.
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OK, so that's that's kind of thetimeline.
So I'm assuming that these guys,based on what they've been
telling me that there is no rapture.
So they believe that the body ofChrist will have to endure those
seven years and you have to makeit through it, I guess either
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that or be killed in the process.
So I'm not 100% sure why they believe that.
And the Bible has examples too that I know of for sure where,
you know, God doesn't usually, or I don't think has ever
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really, He doesn't pour out his wrath on people that are his
children. OK, Now he can allow stuff to be
done. He can allow man to do stuff to
man, but it's not God's wrath. OK, So that's, that's one of the
things is you will hear these Christian guys like these guys
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telling me this, they'll say, well, you know, Jesus even talks
about tribulation for believers.And that's true.
You know, for example, John 1633, he says these things I've
spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.
So in Christ you'll have peace in the world.
Ye shall have tribulation, OK, But be of good cheer.
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I have overcome the world. So if you're a Christian and
you're trying to live right in this world, you will have
tribulation, OK? You will have people not like
you. You won't get invited to
parties. You will be unpopular.
That's here in other countries. You'll have your head cut off.
You'll be beaten, you'll be tortured, you'll be killed.
That's tribulation, OK. So depending on where you're at
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in this earth, you will face tribulation as a Christian and
that's what Christ is talking about, OK, Christ is not doing
this to you, OK, God is not doing this to you.
Man is doing it to you. This is man made tribulation.
OK And we, we can say this againlike in Matthew 24, nine it says
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then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and she'll kill
you. Ye shall be hated of all nations
for my name's sake. So you will be delivered up and
you'll be killed. You know, depending on when and
where I believe this Matthew 24,there is actually taking place
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during the seven years of Jacob's trouble.
But either way that can happen now as well.
But you know, that is man's tribulation.
That is not God's tribulation. And for an example real quick of
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how God typically removes any ofhis children before he delivers
wrath would be the very first one to be Noah and Noah's ark.
OK, Noah lived in a world where there was all kinds of stuff
going on and God didn't like it,and God decided he wanted to
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destroy it. So according to the Bible, Noah
and his family were the only ones that were basically
righteous at that point. So God says, OK, well I want to
destroy the world, but you, you know, you ate down here.
You're the only ones that are any good.
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So I want to pour my wrath out, but I don't want to kill you
too. So I need you to build an ark.
And when you're done, you get init and I'm going to kill
everybody else. And so they were able to sail on
to safety. So God didn't pour out his wrath
until Noah had completed the task of building the ark.
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OK, He didn't like right in the middle of Noah building the ark.
And so sorry about that. You know, I changed my mind.
You're dead too. Now.
He didn't do that. So then we move on a little
further on to Lot. If you remember Lot, he moved
down into Sodom and Gomorrah. God decides he wants to destroy
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Sodom and Gomorrah, the city. And you know, they've got, you
know, going back and forth of how many righteous people, We'll
come to find out. The only people that were
Christians, if you will, are righteous who believed in God
was Lot and a couple of his family members.
So God says, OK, I'm going to destroy it, but I need to get
Lot and his family out first. So before God pours out his
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wrath, he wants a lot removed. Everybody else is going to die.
The dogs, the cats, the kids, the babies, I mean, everything,
everything else is laid waste. But he wants a lot and his
family out. So, you know, he sends a couple
angels down there to get him out.
And this, you know, this pouringout of wrath, which is going to
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be fire and brimstone in this particular instance is imminent.
It's going to be any time now. OK, so, but lot of course, he's
reluctant. He doesn't want to leave.
Why? Well, he's a Sinner.
You know, he's he's he's a Sinner and he don't want to
leave, but he does. He is a child of God.
He believes. So God's going to save him.
And so this also can lead into one save to always save.
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But we'll talk about that some other time.
So, so God's fixing to pour out this wrath and he says, hey, get
him out of here and he doesn't want to leave.
So the angels have to physicallypick his butt up and drag him
out. They have to pick him up, lift
him up and take him out of town.And the moment he gets out of
town, boom, the city's destroyed.
OK, so again, God doesn't pour out his wrath on his believers,
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on his children. OK, so now Fast forward up to
Jacob's trouble, which has not happened yet.
It is being foretold and it's probably coming pretty close.
You know, we've got to have, youknow, one of the things it talks
about that happens right in the very beginning that kind of
kicks this thing off is A7 year peace treaty with Israel.
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OK. So are we close to A7 year peace
treaty? I don't know.
Probably. I mean, we're probably, they're
supposedly trying to get peace over there right now, OK, Right
after this seven-year peace treaty gets kicked in, OK, they
start rebuilding the Third Temple.
And I've also had people tell me, oh, there's no such thing as
an actual temple. You're the temple.
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Yes, I understand that, that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit
lives in you. You are the temple.
But we are saved, OK? Yes, as a Christian, we are the
temple. But we're talking about Jews and
Israel who are not saved, OK? We're not talking about
Christians. We're not talking about Christ's
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body, OK? We're talking about Jews who
live in Israel, and they do not believe in Jesus Christ.
They they are still waiting for their Messiah, OK.
And they think that in order to get this thing going, they need
to be sacrificing animals in a temple.
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So they have full plans to rebuild the temple.
And they've already supposedly got two or three red heifers
over there that came from Texas.And they've been over there for
a couple of years now. And they're supposedly perfect.
And they, they're the ones they need to cleanse this stuff.
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So they have to slaughter these red heifers and burn them and
take their ashes. And they have to use these ashes
to get this temple going. So they've supposedly got
everything lined up. They want to build the temple.
They've got the red heifers. We don't have a peace treaty yet
in order to get the temple built, but that is what the
Bible says starts off this sevenyears of Jacob's trouble.
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Jacob, meaning Israel, OK, this is 7 years of Israel's trouble.
This, this seven years of tribulation, OK, is designed
specifically for the Jewish people to bring them back to
God, OK. This is a punishment for them.
So now, logically speaking, God wants to punish a group of
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people who have disobeyed him and who don't believe in his Son
Jesus Christ. And they need signs.
You know, the Bible says that Jews require a sign.
So he has to give them lots of signs to get them to come back.
Logically speaking, why would Jesus Christ Church, who are
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saved already, who don't need a temple, you know, because the
temple is in us. We don't believe in any of that
stuff. Why would we have to go through
that whenever it's not for us? And again, this is not man's
tribulation. This is God purposely pouring
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out his wrath on these people toget them to come back.
Now, there are going to be lots of other nations involved in
this other than Israel, unjust nations.
And yeah, they're going to be, Iguess what you'd call a, you
know, they're going to get destroyed too.
And this, this particular thing is not for them.
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And maybe they can get saved in the process.
Obviously, there are going to bepeople saved during the
tribulation, you know, and one example of that is Matthew 24.
And it's talking about Christ coming down at the end of
Jacob's trouble. And it says, And then she'll
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appear, the appear, the sign of the Son of man in heaven.
And then shall the tribes, all the tribes of each mourn, and
they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory. And he being Christ, shall send
his angels with a great sound ofa trumpet, and they shall gather
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together His elect from the fourwinds, from one end of heaven to
the other. Now I've heard people say, Well,
this, this can't mean anything about the tribulation because it
says his elect. Well, anybody that's saved or is
is his, you know, his one of hischildren is considered the
elect. So right now we would be
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considered the elect in this time that we live in.
And the his elect should be gathered up and raptured.
These elect here are gathered upat the end of the tribulation.
And this is another verse. Now, I've heard people misuse
this as a rapture all the time. But it says it's Luke 1734.
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And it says, I tell you in that night there shall be two men in
one bed and one shall be taken and the other be left.
Two women will be grinding together.
The one shall be taken and the other left.
Two men shall be in the field, one shall be taken and the other
left. And I've heard pastors talk
about this before on this, this particular verse.
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And they're like, see, that's the rapture.
These two are getting taken. No, that is not the rapture.
It's a type of rapture, but it'snot pre tribulation rapture.
This right here, as it is at theend of Jacob's trouble, sometime
at the end. So at the end of the
tribulation, people who have survived and got saved during
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this tribulation period and havenot taken the mark of the beast,
that's when Christ comes down. He sends his angels together,
His elect. Those are the people getting
gathered. So the people that are left are
the ones that are going to be judged.
The ones that are taken are the ones that are taken, like up in
a rapture, OK, They're the elect.
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So they get taken. And then God does Armageddon,
OK, Then he judges everybody. So if you were left, you're in
trouble, OK? If you were left the first time,
you're in trouble. So this is another example here
of a rapture when people are taken, but we've got the first
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one too. So they'll say, well, this isn't
the first one. This is, you know, this is
everybody getting. But the point of the matter is,
is God specifies several times that as a Christian you are not
appointed to wrath. You know, he doesn't pour his
wrath out upon his children. So there's no reason to believe
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you would have to suffer throughthe tribulation.
And then if you make it at the end and you're still alive,
you're considered an elect 1 then and you're you're scooped
up. You know, there, there's no
reason to to even think that youknow, and I have multiple verses
here. Let's let's just go over here.
For example, we have First Thessalonians 110 it says, and
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to wait for his Son from heaven,whom he raised from the dead,
Even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
How did he do that? It's because we got saved.
We believed in Jesus Christ, so we don't have to endure the
wrath to come, because we're already saved.
OK, First Thessalonians 59 For God hath not appointed us to
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wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Again, God, He's not appointed us to wrath, you know, He didn't
allow Noah to live through the wrath.
He didn't allow Lot to live through the wrath.
Why would he allow us to live through the wrath?
OK? Romans 59 much more than being
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now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath
through Him. Now we already know Jesus has
talked many, many times about how you will suffer tribulation
for His name's sake. OK, tribulation and wrath are
two different things. Tribulation from men is
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completely different. He never says here, oh, once you
get saved, you'll no longer haveany tribulation.
You know, you'll just be on cloud 9 and people will just
love you. He never says that.
OK, He says you are going to have tribulation, but wrath is
what God pours out. OK, again.
OK, let's see Revelation 310 Because thou has kept the word
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of my patience, I will also keepthee from the hour of
temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them
that dwell upon the earth. The hour of temptation is
tribulation is the tribulation is Jacob's trouble, OK?
It's not man's tribulation, it'sGod's wrath.
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So keeping keeping you from the hour of temptation is keeping
you from God's wrath. OK, so now we move on.
We've got John 336 He that believeth on the Son have
everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not
see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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So that's another example of if you believe in the Son Jesus
Christ and you're saved by his blood, yes, you'll be saved from
wrath. But if you don't, the wrath of
God will be on you and you will,you know, obviously probably die
from it. Because if you read through the
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different things that happened there at the beginning of
Revelation, you know, with the, the white horses and the, the
bowls and the, all that, the scrolls, all the different
judgements that are poured out. I mean, you know, right off the
bat, like a third of the population is killed.
So I don't know where this population is going to be.
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Who knows, maybe it's third world countries.
I don't know where it is, but a bunch of people are going to
die. But he says, you know, this
wrath isn't going to be put uponyou if you believe, you know, if
you have salvation by the Lord Jesus Christ.
So that ought to tell you just about everything you need to
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know about that. So again, I don't believe for
one second that God is going to have his children, his body go
through wrath that he's pouring out.
It doesn't make any sense. So in order to avoid that,
you're going to have to be takenup.
You're going to have to get out of it.
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So how you know how are you going to get out of it?
Well, that's where the that's where the rapture comes in.
OK. The rapture is a word used for
the catching away because the word rapture is not in the
Bible. OK, so but it's an it's just an
example, you know, it's kind of like it's a word used to
describe something. So but we could call it, if we
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want to be technically accurate with King James Bible, it would
be the catching away. OK, so rapture first, First
Thessalonians 4 For the Lord himself shall descend from
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with
the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then
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we which are alive and remain shall be caught up.
There's the rapture together with him in the clouds to meet
the Lord in the air, and so shall ever we be with the Lord.
Now just that verse alone I had a guy say he goes, You believe
in the rapture. Well when when you get raptured,
where do you go? Where would you go?
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Where do you go? So to forever be with the Lord?
I mean, clearly you're going up to heaven.
I mean, you believe that when you die, your soul goes to
heaven, right? Your spirit goes back to God who
gave it. Your soul goes to heaven.
Your body goes to the grave, OK,until it's resurrected.
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So your soul is in heaven. The Bible talks about souls
being clothed in heaven, and they're waiting on their bodies,
you know, so the body eventuallyis given back to them, but
they're a soul. So I guess they're like a
disembodied person or whatever they are, you know, up there.
And yeah, I mean, that's where you'd go.
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I mean, the Bible says to be absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord. So we know if you're saved and
you're absent from your body, your soul, it's going to be with
the Lord like this. And so shall we ever be with the
Lord? There's where you're at now
what? What all are you going to be
doing up there? Well, I don't know exactly what
you're going to be doing in heaven.
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You know, the Bible doesn't say exactly here's what you're going
to be doing every single day of the week.
I mean, we don't know, but it says we're going to forever be
with the Lord. We're going to have eternity,
you know, eternal type bodies. We're going to live for
eternity. I mean, that's the whole goal of
this thing, right? So, you know, and though those
which are alive and remain will be caught up together.
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So in other words, if you're alive when this happens, you're
going to get caught up. That's that's the rapture.
That's what they call it. OK, so we can move on here to
1st Corinthians 15. It says, behold, I show you a
mystery. We shall not all sleep.
That means death, OK? But we shall all be changed in a
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moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump, For the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
This is another example of FirstThessalonians.
OK, so the dead shall be raised incorruptible.
So in other words, if you're dead in Christ, so somebody you
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know has died, but they were saved.
Their souls in heaven. They're in heaven right now, but
their body is not in heaven. Their body is in the grave, OK,
But that body is going to be raised and it's going to be
raised incorruptible. It's going to be changed into
something different, and it's going to head on up to heaven.
And then those that were alive, it says, and we shall be
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changed. We shall be changed in the
twinkling of an eye. So obviously you're alive.
You're standing there, boom, allof a sudden your body's changed.
In the twinkling of an eye, the people that were already dead
and buried, their bodies get raised incorruptible and we go
to heaven. We go to heaven with the Lord.
I mean, that's basically what itis.
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That's what it boils down to. So, you know, again, I don't
know how somebody would come up with and say, hey, what you're
saying there about that and all about how the Bible says you do
not have to endure wrath. And we see how the dead is going
to be raised. We see that how our bodies are
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going to be changed in the twinkling of an eye.
We know that Jesus says he's going to prepare a place for us.
So that's another thing the guy says, this guy told me, he said,
well, how, where, where do we go?
That doesn't make any sense. Where do you go?
Well, John 14 says in my father's house are many
mansions. If it were not so, I would have
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told you, I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and
I will receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be
also. So that seems pretty obvious
where you're going. I mean, you're getting a mansion
prepared for you in heaven. You know, I don't know exactly
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what this mansion is, but there it is.
I mean, that's Jesus Christ's own words.
And of course we've got in Titus2, it says looking for that
blessed hope and the glorious appearing of that great God and
our Savior Jesus Christ. So when you hear people, you
know, talk about the rapture, they refer to it as the blessed
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hope. That's what I refer to.
That's what I refer to it as is the blessed hope.
And you know we have proof verses that talk about the Bema
seat. Judgement is what they call it.
For example, 2nd Corinthians 5 says For we must all appear
before the judgement seat of Christ, that everyone may
receive the things done in his body according to that he hath
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done, whether it be good or bad.So there is a judgement seat of
Christ. OK.
The judgement seat of Christ is not the White Throne judgement,
OK. The White Throne judgement comes
after the seven years of Jacob'strouble, OK, Christ returns and
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then Christ rules and reigns on this earth for 1000 years.
That's called the Millennium, the millennial Kingdom.
Christ rules with an iron fist, it says, for 1000 years.
After the 1000 years is over, the devil, Satan is loosed for a
little while it says, and he's able to turn some people that
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were alive in this thousand years against Christ again.
And these armies, he amasses some armies, and these armies
come to dethrone Christ off of his throne.
And then Christ destroys them. It says that I believe fire and
brimstone falls down and burns them all up.
At that point, he throws the devil into the bottomless pit.
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OK, it's done. He's over with.
And then it talks about the White Throne judgement, where
the books are opened. Now, this is where the people
who have been in hell this wholetime, they will all be brought
forward. Because see, think about it.
You, let's say you didn't get saved right now in the Church
age and you die. Well, unfortunately, you go to
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hell. OK, If I die, I'm going to
heaven. If an unsaved person dies,
they're going to hell. So they're going to be in hell
all this time until the tribulation.
All of the tribulation or Jacob's trouble, they're going
to be in hell for the 1000 years.
So you're going to be in hell for quite a while.
Thousand years minimum. OK, 1007 years minimum if if you
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died now, so you get out of that.
But see, you never have really had a judgement.
You haven't been judged, you haven't been tried.
And so you're probably down there in hell thinking, you
know, I mean, I didn't get a chance.
I wasn't that bad of a person. OK, so I didn't accept Jesus
Christ, blah, blah, blah. So don't worry, you're going to
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get another. It's not another chance.
You're going to get a courtroom appearance, so to speak.
And that is the White Throne judgement.
So what they're going to do is they're going to pull you up out
of hell, clean you up a little bit, I guess.
And they're going to, this is, I'm adding some of this, Of
course, they're going to, you know, clean you up, give you a
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shower and a shave, put some fresh clothes on.
And then they're going to stand you up in front of Jesus Christ
on the throne. And they're going to have all
these angels around, all these people will be judging, and
they've got the books of life, and they're going to open up the
books, and they're going to readout of those books everything
that you have ever done that's wrong.
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And obviously the penalty of allthose sins is death.
And the only way you can get outof it is if you have somebody to
cover those sins for you, in this case Jesus Christ.
So they open up the Lamb's Book of Life to see if you've
accepted the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ.
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And lo and behold, if your name is not in that book, I'm sorry,
but you get cast into the lake of fire.
Now, obviously, if you've made it to that point, your name is
not in that book, OK? But you know, at least you get
to stand up and you get to hear what you're being accused of and
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you get to be judged. And obviously you're going to
see that you're, you know, you're guilty, you're guilty of
sin. That's obvious or you wouldn't
be there. So if I understand it right, and
I and the way I believe it is, is those that are saved, we will
be in heaven and we can we will be there watching this white
throne judgement. So we're going to get to see it.
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We're going to get to see these people and these angels, these
fallen angels, they're going to be judged as well.
You know, in First Corinthians 6, it says, know you not that we
shall judge angels? You know how much more things
that pertain to this life. So those that are God's elect,
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God's children, you know, saved through the blood of Jesus
Christ. We are going to be in heaven.
We're going to be part of that army that comes back in Christ's
second coming for Armageddon. We're going to be there during
the 1000 year Millennium, you know, probably as teachers, my
guess would be, you know, because we're going to be we're
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already going to be in our incorruptible bodies and the
people living during the Millennium will will literally
be alive because they're talk about giving birth and it talks
about the age that they die. So there's going to be people
living, breathing and multiplying during this thousand
years. So there's going to be quite a
few people. So obviously us that were went
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to heaven ahead of this. You know, we're going to be in a
perfect body and well, I'm sure we're going to be, you know,
teachers, whatever, whatever we're doing there.
And then after this all happens,we're going to be sitting up
there at this white throne judgement and we're going to be
watching these people being judged, you know, that died
previously and went to hell. And that's that's quite a few
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people, you know, and a lot of them maybe are family members.
I have a feeling that I'm going to get see lots and lots of my
family members through the ages that were not saved and that's
unfortunate, but there's nothingI can do about that.
So anyway, so that brings us back to the rapture again is,
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you know, God promises his his children not to have to go
through wrath. OK, There's many verses that
talks about the catching away, us being changed in the
twinkling of an eye, all the above.
None of that is ever mentioned at Christ's second coming when
he talks about Armageddon, when he comes back the second time,
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he comes with all of his angels or all of his army riding white
horses. He comes down, he lands on
earth, everybody sees him coming.
Everybody's scared that, you know, that knows they're going
to get punished. It talks about Christ, you know,
basically punishing and judging these people and blood being the
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depth of a horse's bridle for X amount of 100 miles.
Christ calls in all the birds and says feast, feast on all
this flesh. And it says you can feast on
kings, you can feast on all these different people because
those are the people that were judged.
They were killed during this battle of Armageddon.
So obviously, where are we at that time?
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You know, I mean, it never mentions Christ doing anything
other than, you know, gathering his elect.
And maybe that's where people are getting hung up on it.
They're like, oh, well, he's gathering his elect and that's
us. Well, but we've also got all the
stuff in Thessalonians, you know, the blessed hope.
We've got all that. And we're not appointed to God's
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wrath. So I still believe in the
rapture. You can obviously believe
anything you want, and obviouslybelieving in the rapture, I
don't believe is a salvation issue.
So let's say you got saved and you believe in Jesus Christ and
you're saved, but you're not sure about the rapture.
Well, you know, hey, if I'm right, boom here, pretty soon,
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all of a sudden you'll be changed in the twinkling of an
eye and you'll be in heaven and you'll be like, oh wow, I got
raptured. And if I'm wrong, you know me
and lots of other people are wrong about the rapture, well,
then I guess you won't get raptured.
And you know, the seven years ofJacob's trouble will start.
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We'll get to see the peace treaty.
We'll get to see the temple built 3 1/2 years into that.
We'll get to see the Antichrist revealed, in which case he will
force people to take the mark ofthe beast or you will not buy or
sell. And it specifically says if you
take that mark, you will not be able to get to heaven.
You're done. You cannot obtain salvation if
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you take the mark. So I guess we'll get to see
that. And at some point we'll have to
obviously refuse that mark and we'll be, I'm sure, killed or
starved to death for refusing it.
So it will be very miserable, itsounds like.
And that's all God's wrath. And so then I guess, you know,
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me and lots of other people willhave misunderstood it where God
says we're not appointed to wrath because it's like, well,
if you're pouring wrath out on people and the Antichrist
reveals himself and he's forcingpeople, you know, to take his
mark or they're going to get their heads cut off, obviously
I'm going to have to get my headcut off.
So because I'm not taking the mark.
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So I guess I'll be done for at some point about 3 1/2 years
into it, you know, anyway, So again, I believe the rapture.
I believe it's the catching away.
And I understand that the reasonfor Jacob's trouble is not for
me. It's for the Jewish people to
return back to Israel, to returnback, you know, to Jesus Christ,
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to get back to worshipping God like they're supposed to instead
of the stuff that they're doing now, which anybody can clearly
see what's going on now. So, you know, that's the point
of it. So I don't know or understand
why anybody that's a Christian who understands dispensations,
different dispensations in the Bible would have any, you know,
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would even think that they're going to have to go through
punishment designed for somebodyelse.
I don't, I don't know why anybody would have to do that.
Now, Tribulation from men? Yes, of course, you know,
getting banned, getting, you know, killed by a man, getting
your head cut off by a government.
Yeah, but that is not God's wrath.
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OK? There's a big difference.
So anyway, you know, I hope you liked today's podcast.
If you do, you know, share it, give it away, whatever.
However you do that, tell peopleabout it.
If you want to know more. You know, I've got multiple
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to truthseekersministry.org. Those two and those are one of
the same right there. So if you'd like to know
anything more, if you'd like to contact me, give me an e-mail.
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