June 17, 2025 • 53 mins
This is another episode where I unpack a Prophecy Watcher article about what ghosts really are. The article is correct on what a ghost really is, but it is way off when it talks about Heaven and Hell. Join me in the discussion, and be sure to leave me a comment. Thanks for listening, Kenny
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Hello, this is Kenny Williamson and welcome back to another
episode of Mckillsdick Chronicles.
Thanks for tuning in. And it's a whole another day
today. And plan on doing a little bit
of talking about some stuff. And I've got some more stuff
here that I want to talk about that is in the Prophecy Watchers
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magazine, which I have a subscription to that now thanks
to a fellow listener. And so I've been going over
these articles. I think they're really, really
interesting what so-called mainstream Christians today are
talking about in preaching, I guess, you know, So I liked this
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article a lot, part of it. I liked it because as you can
see, the title here, the title is What About Ghosts?
And I like this one because, youknow, I have a couple of
different books out The Hauntingof Virginia Creme, which is
about ghosts, if you will. At least they thought they were
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ghosts. I believe that they're demons.
And I have another book. What is it?
Demons Among Us, which is basically also a bunch of
different ghost stories. So I've got, I've heard and I
have written down lots of ghost stories.
So, you know, I think they're pretty interesting.
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I of course, I believe that they're demons.
Anyway, having said that, I havehere recently talked about
several things in the Prophecy Watchers magazine having to do
with Flat Earth. And you know, I kind of, you
know, I kind of let some people have it in there.
And I did have a comment on thatwhere somebody came in and said,
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you know, that that's probably not the right way to do it.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, you know, by letting these people
have it. OK.
But the way I see it is if you have a doctor, a so-called
doctor in theology, which, you know, you got that I'm, I'm
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almost that I'm, I'm getting close.
But that doesn't mean you're infallible.
And it also doesn't mean, it really doesn't mean you're
anything honestly. But these guys that are in these
magazines a lot, I think that they put the doctor in front of
their name. It, it goes straight to their
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head. And then I have to question, you
know, what Bible are you reading?
I, I guess none of these guys doanything King James.
So they're, they're really messed up right, right off the
get go, you know, because they're, they're quoting things
that are just so far out there from what the King James Bible
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teaches. It's not even funny.
So anyway, so this guy here, his, his name's Doctor Larry
Olson. I, I think one of the last
podcast I did about Flat Earth had to do with Larry here.
And you know, like I said, I, I called Larry an idiot in that
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podcast because he, what he did is he takes every single verse
in the Bible that has to do withbiblical cosmology and he
perverts them in some way or strictly denies them.
And he runs to NASA for his biblical cosmology.
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So he runs to Satanic man, OK, to tell him what the Bible says.
So he doesn't actually believe the word of God, not in that
aspect. And so now he's got another
article here about ghosts. And, you know, I, I'd say that
he's probably 8080% on, but he says some stuff in here that we
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just go over here real quick. So this particular article, what
about ghosts? He says that a few years ago,
him and his wife were traveling through Arkansas, which that's
where I live. I live in Arkansas.
Yay, Arkansas. Whatever.
OK. He said he needed a place to
stay for the night and he stopped at a hotel in Eureka
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Springs. OK, Well, if you're from
Arkansas, this area, you probably know that Eureka
Springs is kind of, I mean, they're full blown left out
there once, you know, some of them aren't, but there's lots of
hippies there. And if you want to go, there's a
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lot of nice stuff there. You know, I mean, they have a
lot of shops and there's a lot of cool things.
If you do go downtown Eureka Springs and hang out very long,
you will see lots of men dressedup like women.
OK, that's that's a biggie down there.
And you see them sitting around,you see them walking and they're
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clearly men wearing a dress in high heels and a wig, OK, Most
of them, some of them have even got their beard still.
OK. So I mean, there's no doubt that
they're men. So there's a lot of that goes on
down there, a lot of that. But they also have, you know,
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mountains and, you know, it's hills and all up and down hills.
And you know how a lot of peoplelike to go there.
They have bike rallies there, They have car shows there.
They have all kinds of get togethers in Eureka Springs.
So he says he was, he needed a place to stop for the night and
he was in Eureka Springs, EurekaSprings kind of out of the way
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of everything. So I don't, you know, I don't
know why you drive there to finda place to stay, but whatever.
OK. He says.
And you know, he they stopped inan older hotel.
It's obvious it'd been upgraded,although it still had this old
look. Well, everything over there is
old and falling apart, most of it.
So upon entering the room, apparently if he heard a
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commotion and there was a film crew there from the sci-fi
channel doing a documentary documentary on the one of the
most haunted hotels in America. And he said he see, it seems he
figured out that this hotel, youknow, used to be like a Mortuary
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or something or whatever they claim it was supposedly a bunch
of people die. They're supposedly haunted.
OK. He says after leaving the hotel,
he researched and discovered that the hotel also had what
they called ghost tours. OK.
And so this brings him to the question, do ghosts actually
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actually, actually exist? And what does the Bible say on
the subject? Well spoiler alert in case you
haven't figured it out. He was at the Crescent Hotel.
OK, the Crescent Hotel is supposedly haunted in Eureka
Springs, AR and they even have certain rooms that are
supposedly the most haunted. And you can go onto their
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website and try to book that room and you can go on there and
it'll tell you which one it is if you if you're interested in
that kind of stuff. And you know, it's like always
booked. So that room is really hard to
get. It's also Eureka Springs.
It's also or not Eureka Springs.The Crescent Hotel is also very
expensive to stay in. It is not a cheap motel.
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It's like a three or four story huge rock looking building and
it's very expensive. You know, they have regular like
super eights and all of your regular hotels because it's like
a tourist town. So they have all your main big
hotels for a fraction, fraction of the price of this hotel.
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So you know, he just happens to be traveling through Eureka
Springs. Why?
I don't know, because it doesn'tgo anywhere that I know of.
You people go to Eureka Springs,but they don't go really through
Eureka Springs to get anywhere else, if you understand what I'm
saying. On the main strip they have
probably hundreds of name brand big hotels.
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You know, Super 8, Drury, whatever they have, you know
that are normal hotel rooms thatare 100 bucks a night, $120.00 a
night. You decide you want to go up to
the Crescent Hotel, you're goingto probably pay 3 or $400.00 a
night, OK, because it's a, it's a big ghost tourist attraction.
So, so I don't know whose money Larry is spending, you know,
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maybe spending the church's money.
But if you actually went to the town passing through, I don't
think the Crescent Hotel would be the hotel that you would just
accidentally stop at. Definitely not if you're on a
budget. If you were to call around a
little bit and say, well let's see, I can go spend the night in
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150 year old hotel or a 20 year old hotel that's brand new,
that's got a pool, you know, andbeen really nice for $120.00 a
night versus probably 3 or 400 anight.
You know, I don't know why you'dstay there.
The only reason people stay there is because supposedly
haunted. OK, maybe he didn't know that.
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Maybe he was the out buzzing around Eureka Springs way up out
of the way and found the oldest,biggest hotel he could possibly
find. I don't know.
But anyway, that's his story. So, you know, there, there it
is. For what?
For what it's worth. Anyway, So you know, he he goes
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on and says, you know, define what's meant by the word ghost.
And I can agree on this. You know, the definition of
terminology used today would imply that a ghost is a
disembodied spirit of some kind.OK, I'm going to agree with
that. Some people think that it's a
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spirit of some person who has died, you know, and for some
reason they're still restricted here on an earthly plane and
they can't, you know, go to the next one.
And then they're looking for thelight.
Like them. All the Hollywood movies show,
you know, it's like, go to the light, go to the light.
That's what they're. Anytime you watch one of these
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Hollywood movies where they've got these ghosts, you know,
around like Poltergeist and all the above, these people are
hanging around for some reason. Or the movie Ghost, you know,
and there's this light that keeps coming up and they're
like, you go into that light, you know, you disappear.
So don't you know? So they don't want to go into
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the light 'cause they want to hang around earth.
But these mediums and people whocan talk to these dead people,
they're like, oh, go to the light, run to the light.
You know, that's Hollywood. OK, Anyway, there are, you know,
Jesus says something about in the Bible when they seem after
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he's been resurrected and they're scared of him.
He's like, what do you think? I'm a ghost?
And, you know, but that doesn't mean that ghosts are real, like
Casper the Friendly ghost, OK? I'm sure he was meaning a
spirit. You know, He's like, what do you
think? Basically, I'm something weird
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because they were scared of him.That doesn't mean they exist.
OK? I'd be like me said somebody
seeing me in the night and they're like, Oh my gosh, I'm
scared. I'm like, what do you think I'm
Bigfoot or something? OK Doesn't mean Bigfoot exists
just because I asked you that question.
I mean, you know, you've heard aBigfoot and people still talk
about Bigfoot. So I'm like, what do you think
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I'm Bigfoot or something? I mean, I look like a shaggy
Bigfoot, right? Well, there's really no such
thing as Bigfoot. I am wearing a Bigfoot shirt,
OK, from a conference. I went in Hanobe, Oklahoma one
time a little where Bigfoot lives.
It says, well, there, there was no real Bigfoot there.
OK, costumes, a lot of costumes,but not the real thing.
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OK, So let's see. Of course, you know, he goes on
to say, you know that he, he mentions the Jesus walking on
the water and you know, Jesus saying he's not a ghost.
And this isn't, you know, many of you use the Scripture as
proof that ghost actually exists, which, you know, many
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people don't understand the Bible too.
So there's no surprise in that. And he says, however, in the
original Greek language of the New Testament, the word ghost
and spirit are synonymous. I doubt this guy knows anything
about the Greek language. And if somebody was to say
original Greek, which one it's been translated, I don't know,
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like 20-30 Times Now. So, so which version you
referring to? I'm going to give you a word of
warning. Anytime anybody runs to the
Hebrew and Greek to change the King James Bible, they always
have their own agenda because it's already been translated
into English. OK?
So if you speak English like I do, you don't need a Greek
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translation to tell you what theword means.
It's already been translated, FYI.
OK, King James Bible translatorsalready did all the work for
you. So anyway, OK, let's see.
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Let's see. Now here.
Here's where here's where Larry gets lost.
I'm not sure what Bible Larry's reading.
I'm not sure where he got his doctoral education.
OK, because he really, really misleads people on the whole
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Flat Earth thing. OK, Biblical cosmology, if you
don't want to call it Flat Earth, that's fine.
But on the biblical cosmology aspect of it, he he's, he's so
far off it hurts. I would say he's lying about it.
So now, OK, OK, biblical cosmology, whatever.
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But now here we're talking aboutghosts.
OK, so but what we've done is we've jumped here and and here's
the statement he makes. He says the Bible clearly tells
us that when a person physicallydies, their spirit either goes
to Hades or paradise, also knownas the bosom of Abraham, which
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the King James Bible says Abraham's bosom.
But you know, hey, we can say everything backwards too, I
guess. You know, it's not peanut butter
and Jelly. It's Jelly and peanut butter.
OK. But anyway, so the Bible clearly
tells us though, no, that is notwhat the Bible tells us, does
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it? So he says, see Luke 1622
through 23. OK, we, we can go check that out
here in just a second. OK.
It says nowhere in the Bible is it found that the spirit of a
human lingers on earth. Well, now that's true there.
There's nothing biblical that says any, anything like that.
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But what does that Bible say about paradise and Abraham's
bosom? So what now?
I, I don't understand. Let's figure out what he how he,
he messed this one up. OK, So what we could look here
and we could say, let's see here.
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Well, first of all, he's callingHades.
Why he's calling in Hades, I don't know.
The only raise reason I can figure that is he's trying to
you know, he must be using some perverted Bible or he's trying
to I I don't understand it. I really don't.
Because for example, OK, in the Old Testament in Hebrew, OK, it
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says the word often translated hell is Sheol.
It means the grave or the dead or, you know, blah, blah, blah.
OK, so that's that's in Hebrew, but it's already been translated
to hell. OK, That's what the English word
is, hell. So why would we translate it
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back or whatever to and call a sheol when it's already been
translated into English? But instead we're going to go
back to the Hebrew word, scratchout the English word, and call
it something else. Why we don't speak Hebrew.
OK, it's been translated and it means hell.
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So now we get into the Greek, the New Testament.
Well, it's already been translated for us into English,
OK? And so now we've got Hades.
Hades, OK, Which is the Greek equivalent of Sheol, OK.
Well, and it says, you know, it refers generally to the realm of
the dead and not a place of eternal torment.
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The reason it says that is because the Bible says that when
you die, you go to hell, Heaven or hell, OK?
Hell will eventually be thrown into the lake of fire, OK, at
the great White Throne judgement.
So if you die and you go to hell, OK, you're going to be in
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hell until the White Throne judgement.
Now that will be a minimum of 1000 years from now.
A minimum. You've got your seven years of
Jacob's trouble, then 1000 yearsMillennium reign of Jesus Christ
on earth. After that, Jesus Christ is
going to bring the people up outof hell, and you're going to
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stand before the judgement, the White Throne judgement, and
you're going to get a chance to state your case, so to speak.
And the angels and the witnessesand everybody up there, they're
going to open up that book of the Lamb's Book of life, and
they're going to see if your name is in it.
And they're also going to open all the other books, it says.
And they're going to be able to see every sin that you've ever,
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ever sinned, OK. And the only way to get forgiven
for those sins is by the blood of Jesus Christ, if you accepted
Jesus. So if you didn't, your name is
not in that Lamb's book of life.Then you were taken and you were
cast into the lake of fire. OK, so you were in hell.
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You got out of hell to get judged 'cause, you know, you
didn't think you're probably judged 'cause you died and you
went straight to hell. So you didn't get a judgement,
but you are going to get your judgement, the White Throne
judgement. But of course.
It's not going to do you any good because you were already in
hell. It's not like you got
rehabilitated in hell, OK? You got sent there because you
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didn't accept the free gift. So you're already going to hell.
Yeah. And you're going, you're going
back to hell. In other words, you're going to
the Lake of fire. So.
OK. Anyway, so they, they've got all
these other words, Gehenna, Tardius, all this stuff.
The King James Bible says hell. OK, this translated as hell and
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you've got the lake of fire. That's the only two you need to
worry about. OK.
It says in in this article I'm reading here that you know, the
King James often translates all of these terms as hell, which
can cause confusion. No, it doesn't.
It's less confusion. They don't want you to read the
King James Bible. It tells you hell is hell, and
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that's where you're going to go.End of story.
OK, now eventually you will get a White Throne judgement and
then you will get cast into the Lake of fire.
So it sounds to me like you're going from the fire frying pan
into the fire. It's not any better.
It's probably worse. OK, you're cooked.
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You're done. It's over.
OK, so quit. No.
So having the having the word, you know, she'll having the word
Hades, having the word Gehenna, having the word Tartarus, that's
confusing the word hell. And that's the only word that's
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not confusing. OK, but to a brain dead, I don't
know what, you know, a brain dead supposedly Christian that's
hell bent on using the NASBA perverted Bible.
Well, you know they're going to say that using one word is
confusing, but we can use 10 different weird words from
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different languages that are dead and that's perfectly fine.
And even though King James says,hell, we'll, we'll try to go
back and translate it back, as stupid as that sounds anyway.
So yeah, modern versions like ESV and ESB, etcetera, in Ivy,
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you know, they often preserve the distinct Greek words.
No, they don't. OK.
What they do is they run back tothe Greek and change what the
King James Bible says is what they do for.
And it's probably for confusion,but why would you want to change
it back to the Greek word? You don't speak Greek.
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Even if you did speak Greek, youdon't speak that Greek.
That Greek is a dead language. It's been dead for like 15102
thousand years. You don't speak it.
Why are you trying to go back toit?
You, you see how dumb that is? English is the language of the
end times, the end times that we're in English.
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Is it baby, get you a King JamesBible and read the English
version. That's what we speak.
OK, anyway, so again, so when wego back and we start talking
about paradise and stuff, what we have here is of course he
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said to go into Luke, whatever which Luke, Luke 23.
So, well, no, that's not what Hesaid.
He said Luke 16, which we'll getto that in a second.
But in Luke 2343, you know Jesussays to the thief on the cross,
He says, verily I say unto thee,today thou shalt be with me in
paradise, correct? OK, prior to Jesus Christ, if
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you died and you were righteous and you believed in God, you
went to a thing called paradise.According to the Bible, paradise
was under the earth somewhere right next to hell.
OK, That's where you went. It also was referred to as
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Abraham's bosom. So before Jesus Christ, you
died, you got to go to a place called paradise.
OK, so let's keep on reading here.
Let's see, let's get to the dealhere.
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Actually, we just need to read Luke.
Luke 1622. I've got it pulled up here.
Let me move this out of the way.Luke 16.
Let's close that. OK, so Luke 1622 and it came to
pass that the beggar died. This called the rich man in
Lazarus. By the way, let's just start
over here. There was a certain rich man
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which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared
sumptuously every day. So the guy's rich.
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at
his gate full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the
crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.
Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores, and it came to
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pass that the beggar died and was carried by the angels to
Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was
buried. OK, and in hell not Hades, not
Sheol, not any other weird word.And in hell, OK, he lifted up
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his eyes, and being in torments,and see if Abraham afar off, and
Lazarus in his bosom. So Abraham's down there as well.
There are other Old Testament Saints right down there in
paradise. That's where they went.
They haven't went to heaven yet.They're in paradise.
They're in Abraham's bosom. But what's the alternative?
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Hell. OK, so.
OK, so. And in hell, he lifted up his
eyes. He sees Abraham and Lazarus and
he cries and says, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and
send Lazarus that he may dip thetip of his finger in water and
cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
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He is in flame. He is being tormented by fire.
That's what's in hell, folks. If you don't understand it,
there it is. OK, But Abraham says, Son,
remember that thou in thy lifetime receiveth thy good
things. And likewise Lazarus received
evil things. But now he is comforted, and you
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are tormented. OK.
And besides all this, between USand you there is a great gulf
fixed, so that they which could pass from hence to you cannot
neither they neither can they pass to us that would come from
hence. So in other words, they're over
there in paradise, and there's something there that keeps you
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from going into hell and there'ssomething that prevents you from
going to hell, into paradise. A great gulf that's fixed.
But yet you can see over there and apparently you can talk back
and forth, 'cause that's what they're doing.
They're having a conversation across this gulf.
Maybe they're yelling, but one guy is in fire and the other
guy's being comforted. He's in paradise.
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OK, so anyway, so he says, well,well, he says then I pray thee
therefore Father, that thou would have sent him to my
father's house. So he wants Lazarus to get out
of Paradise and go to his father's house.
He says, for I have 5 brothers, that they may, that he may
testify unto them that lest theyalso come into this place of
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torment. So he's like, send Lazarus over
there to my brother. So when they die, they don't
come here because obviously I'm,I'm burning up down here, right?
So Abraham says they have Moses and the prophets let them hear
them, but they won't. And, and he said, nay, father
Abraham, but if one went to themfrom the dead, they will repent,
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OK. And he says, well, and he said
to them, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will
they be persuaded though run though 1 rose from the dead.
And that's true because Jesus rose all kinds of people from
the dead and nobody listened. They still didn't want to hear
it. So this guy's like, well, Manny,
if they knew that Lazarus had died and he's rose from the
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dead, they'll believe him when he say, hey, there's heaven and
there's hell and you're going togo to hell if you don't
straighten up and and follow. Nah, they won't.
They're not going to do it because they don't care.
Just like why I'm reading you this right here.
There's some people say I don't care about that.
So again, so Larry here quotes rich man and Lazarus, OK, from
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Luke 16, and he tells you that when a person physically dies,
their spirit goes to Hades, which is not it goes to hell or
paradise. Well, that was pre Jesus Christ,
OK? Now when Jesus Christ died on
the cross, before he died, he said you will be with me in this
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day in paradise. So yeah, so it's there.
Was there OK, But now we have the next problem here, and that
is OK. In Ephesians 48, talking about
Jesus, it says when He ascended up on high, He led captivity
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captive and gave gifts to men. He also descended first into the
lower parts of the earth. OK, so before Jesus Christ
ascended into heaven, after his death, He led captivity captive
and he descended first. What?
Why did he descend into earth? He went down into paradise, and
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those people who were down therein paradise as like captives, if
you will, he took them and took him to heaven.
He didn't take the people out ofhell, OK?
They're still there. Hell still there.
The paradise was moved to heaven.
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Paradise is no longer in the earth next to hell.
OK, so let's see here. And then in Acts 231, then.
This is Peter quoting David. It says he's seen this before.
Spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not
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left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
So he probably went, he went down to hell, but he didn't go
into hell like for punishment. He went down there because he
got the keys to it. OK, He got the keys to death and
he got the keys to heaven. So he can control all this stuff
now. And he led the captivity
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captive. He took them to heaven.
OK, so basically here, here's what here's what it means.
Paradise was like a special partof hell, only a good part that
you can get comforted in, OK. It's a place of comfort, not of
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torment. And so it was separate from the
torment. After Jesus Christ resurrection,
he emptied paradise and all those souls are now in heaven in
the presence of God. OK, so the conclusion to that is
yes, Jesus went to paradise after he died.
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He didn't go to the place of torment which is hell, but he
went to comfort the people over there in paradise.
And after that, he led the people in paradise, Abraham's
bosom, to heaven. So that's a fulfilling God's
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promise of redemption to them. And so now the Bible teaches
that believers go directly to bewith the Lord upon their death.
And he's in heaven. He's not in paradise.
OK. So I hope that makes sense if
you don't understand that. So now to, to, to be, you know,
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absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Now you go to heaven. So having said that, Larry here
on the ghost section is still teaching that you go to paradise
or Hades. So he is still teaching
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something Old Testament. He is not teaching Jesus Christ.
What happens after Jesus Christ?He's not teaching New Testament,
Jesus Christ. Why?
I don't know. Now, just because you find this
in Luke and it's labeled in yourBible, New Testament, doesn't
mean it's actually New Testament.
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OK, New Testament, the New Testament doesn't start until
the death of the testator. The death of the testator is the
death of Jesus Christ after he is resurrected.
There is a new covenant, a New Testament.
You see, that's when believing in Jesus Christ and his death
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and burial and resurrection comes into play, otherwise known
as the church age, where you canhave eternal life by grace, by
faith, through grace by faith. OK, it's a free gift.
You, you, you couldn't really have that before because Jesus
Jesus Christ hadn't died yet. So his shed blood, you know, it
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can't, it can't wash you clean if the blood hasn't been shed
yet. You see all about, you know,
you've heard all the, the songs,you know, the blood washes you
white as snow. Well, there has to be bloodshed
in order for that to happen. So before Jesus Christ died that
that wasn't the case. So anyway, so I'm going to say
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on this, Larry again is dead wrong.
OK, When you die, you go to heaven or you go to hell.
That's it. We don't need no Greek words to
gussy it up. We don't need anything weird.
Paradise is a thing of the past.It's just it's just it just is.
So I don't, I don't know, like Isaid it, he says in the Bible
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clearly teaches what Bible. I don't know what Bible you're
reading that teaches such things.
Keep reading anyway. OK, so let's ask another
question here. What is it that people see when
they observe something that theyperceive to be as a ghost?
Obviously they're seeing something, but what are they
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truly seeing? They're seeing demons.
And, and, and he does say that. He does say most likely they're
seeing demonic beings who are onthe earth because they're cast
down to earth with Satan in his rebellion, probably.
Of course, Satan being cast down, that isn't coming to
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Revelation. That's a future event, in case
you don't know that. So he's a little off on that as
well. Satan has not been cast out of
heaven, OK? Satan is roaming around doing
whatever he wants and he's goingback and forth between here and
heaven. In fact, I mean, he talks all
about on Job. God is talking to Job or God or
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talking to the devil in in Job, you know, the devil shows up to
heaven and God's like, hey, whatare you doing?
He goes all just just roaming around here and they're going
everywhere. And so then God starts talking
to him about his servant Job. Well, the devil was in heaven
doing that. He's already Satan.
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So he hasn't been cast out per SE.
Like get out, never come back. He's roaming around.
He's roaming around like a roaring lion seeking to devour
you. OK.
He's not caged up somewhere in hell.
Not yet. A lot.
A lot of people teach that, though.
The devil's in hell. No, he's not.
And he don't want to go there. God created hell for the devil
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and his angels. They're not there yet, and they
don't want to go there. I promise you that.
They're right here and they're roaming around.
They haven't been cast out anywhere yet.
Now, have they fallen? Yes, they fought.
They fell from their current estate.
So if they were like like Satan,whose name was Lucifer in heaven
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and he was the one of the cherubims and he he you know, he
was a bigwig. He fell from that position and
he is no longer in that position.
And the other ones that followedhim, they, whatever they were
doing, they fell from their estate.
They are no longer in those positions.
But they were not cast out. They're not cast out until
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Revelation. Revelation hasn't happened yet.
OK, that's a future event. Eventually they will be cast
out. When things start getting rough,
he's like, OK, you're done, you're gone, get out.
You're not coming back. The next thing you're you guys
are going to see is hell. OK, And then after that I'll let
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you out for a little bit and then I'm going to throw you in
the lake of fire. So that's that's where they're
going. OK, so OK, so he says there's
also the possible that a non believer could see an Angel of
God and become fearful and perceive it as a ghost simply
because of their lack of spiritual discernment.
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Well, you know, you see a demon pop up.
I believe that these demons, devils, they can show up as
whatever they want. So they could possibly mimic
somebody, you know, So it's going to look like somebody that
died. You know, it could mimic a
Bigfoot. It could mimic an alien.
It can mimic whatever it wants to do to try to fool you.
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So, yeah, I mean, if if you're not saved and you're not
listening to what I'm telling you and you run outside and you
say, oh, I saw Bigfoot. I know he's real.
Well, you might have saw a fallen Angel, a devil, a demon,
whatever you want to call it. Did you really see a flesh and
blood animal? I don't believe you did.
I have a big Bigfoot shirt on, But I don't believe Bigfoot's a
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real flesh and butt animal. OK, It's, it's demonic in some
way. So demoniac, if you will.
OK, so let's see here. Let's see.
He goes on to say, you know, in these demonic fallen angels,
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demonic experience would be distorted and hideous and
operate in the realm of fear. And that's, that's possibility.
I, I think they can also not be distorted and show up as your
grandmother if they want to. And you know, if you read my
book, The Haunting of Virginia Creme, the ones that that, you
know, tormented my mother all through her childhood.
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Some of them look like regular people.
They weren't distorted. They weren't anything.
Some of them just look like an old.
One of them look like an old woman standing in the closet,
you know, So, I mean, some of them were weird looking.
Yeah. Some of them showed up as ape
men. Some of them showed up as little
green men. Some of them showed up as, you
know, who knows what I mean? It's all in the book.
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It's pretty interesting book. It's cheap anyway, so and he
goes on to a story which I agreewith his inviting demons to
church. He says that he became a member
of a church and small denominational church doesn't
say which one it is. 300 members.
To me that's pretty big around here. 300 members is pretty big.
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But anyway, let's say they askedhim to be the leader of this
thing and it wasn't because he was anything special is because
they had anybody else to do it. His own words and make a Long
story short is he goes to this meeting and they want to have a
big Halloween party for the kids.
And they're really, really concerned that they're not going
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to be able to top last year's Halloween party.
And that'll be a red flag right there.
Because, I mean, I don't agree with churches doing Halloween
stuff. Halloween is, you know, it's a
devil deal. It's a Pagan, demonic, the whole
9 yards. I mean, I know I did it myself.
I was raised a Pagan dressed up like ghost, dressed up like
vampires the whole night. I understand why are people are
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doing it OK, but there is a deeper meaning to it.
But they've taken it one step further here, he says.
You know, they're, they're really, they're really concerned
about outdoing previous year's party.
So finally, he says, you know, what did the church do last year
that's so difficult to top? And the pastor's wife leaned
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over and said, last year we got a large round table and brought
it down here to the Parsonage basement.
We covered it with a white tablecloth, lit candles, brought
in all the teenagers in the church and had a seance.
It was really great. You did what?
You had a seance. You you tried to contact demons
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in the Parsonage of the church. Well, devils at least.
At least this guy here realized you can't do that.
OK, so he said it was great. He says I couldn't believe my
ears is my first and last committee meeting.
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How can we truly believe in the word of God and knowingly
worship Satan. What an abomination.
Well, I've got to hand it to youon that one, Larry.
You're right. You can't be doing you can't be
claiming you're a Christian and doing seances messing with tarot
cards, messing with a Ouija boards.
You can't do any of that stuff. That is all demonic.
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It's evil and demonic and will end up getting you hurt
spiritually for sure. But you know, it's funny because
well, in my book Demons Among Us, one of the big things I talk
about in there is the Parsonage.Lots of the stuff that happened
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to my ex mother-in-law who's dead now.
God rest her soul. She, everything that happened to
her, lots of things that happened to her was church
related. It was either in a church or in
the Parsonage. So, and in the book, you know, I
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make statements of like, I mean,this is happening in a church
building. It's happening in the Parsonage
where the pastor is supposedly living.
OK, A lot of the stuff happened in these things.
And so, and of course, now, of course, according to this
article here, well, no wonder, you know, if you've got people
having seances in the Parsonage for Halloween, no wonder you've
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got problems in there. But the other thing is, is
you've got yourself a church building, OK?
A church building is not New Testament, OK?
They did not go and get in debt and have a big building.
They met in people's houses, they met in fields, whatever
they wanted to do. But they did not have big church
buildings. They had church members.
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Church members are members of the body of Christ.
OK. And you don't have to be in a
building to be in church becausethe Holy Spirit is inside of
you. OK, so, and you know, I listen
to a guy, I've got some of his stuff on here.
He's Brian Dillinger. He has stuff when you know, he's
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completely against church buildings.
You can watch his stuff. He has a YouTube channel called
Born Again Barbarian. He talks all about church
buildings and why they're not New Testament and what the
problem is with them. OK, I didn't used to really
believe all that, but the, the older I get and the more I pay
attention, lots of bad things happen in church buildings.
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OK, and I'm, I'm tending to believe that a church building
is not New Testament. You don't need to go to it #1
but if you do, you know, there'sjust the ones over here where
I'm at. They're, they're trying.
It's like they all try to outdo each other.
They try to get bigger and bigger and bigger, which cost
more and more money, but they don't have the money.
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So then they try to beg for the money.
All that They've constantly asking you for money, sending
you letters for money, begging for money.
I just don't think that's right.So I'm not for these gigantic
church buildings and the church building, you know, that is in
my book that was here not too far away.
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That thing is basically what you'd call haunted as well.
I mean, it's not ghost, it's it's demons.
You go in there and there's something watching you.
You can hear stuff, you can see stuff, you can smell stuff,
stuff that's not supposed to be in that building.
So why is it these things are attracted and hanging out in
this building where people are supposedly going in there, you
know, and they're worshipping, they're worshipping God, they're
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talking about Jesus Christ. Why are these things not fleeing
from that? But they're clearly not.
It's like they're attracted to it like a moth to a flame in the
Parsonage. All kinds of weird stuff
happening. I mean, the guy that used to
live in there, I mean, you know,they lose their minds.
These preachers end up losing their minds over these entities
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that are in there bothering them, constantly harassing them,
jumping up and down, appearing, disappearing.
And this is in a Parsonage in a church.
So I mean, when this kind of stuff is going on in these
buildings, it makes you wonder what else is going on in there.
But anyway, I don't know. I think it's really, really
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weird that this stuff goes on. But anyway, in my book, Demons
Among Us, that's it has all to do with churches and Parsonage
of being occupied by demons of some kind.
Anyway, anyway, he he goes on, he he's he does pretty good on a
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lot of stuff, but he sums it up again, saying, you know, the
Bible teaches the human spirits have passed into paradise or to
Hades. They're restricted.
OK, and they're unable to communicate with a living.
Well, obviously I agree with that.
They're unable to communicate, I'm sure because they're not
allowed to or unable. I don't know, but but you know,
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in, in paradise and Hades here or hell, not Hades, they weren't
allowed to, but that Hell's still there.
But Hades is a thing of the past.
OK, That was gotten rid of. So anyway, I don't, this is a
new magazine. I don't, I don't know why we're
teaching that. So if you, if you still think
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there's a paradise, you know, read a little further in your
Bible, there's not. And if you, you keep calling in
Hades, I I don't know where you're getting that because it's
not in the King James Bible. Just hell, that's all it is
anyway. So yeah, obviously the Bible
talks about not sinking familiarspirits, which is, you know,
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probably a demoniac that thinks it's, you know, or is pretending
it's somebody you know. And so you, you think you're
familiar with it because like, oh, that's grandpa over there.
No, it's not. Now it's a demon parading around
his grandpa or whatever. OK, so don't fall for any of
that bull. But anyway, so I thought that
was pretty interesting. So that's that's the article in
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that one. So my advice to anybody would be
obviously I don't believe in ghosts either.
I believe that they're fallen angels, demoniacs of some kind,
devils, demons, whatever you want to call them.
I think that they're masquerading around as loved
ones, as ghosts, as the shadow people, as they call them.
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People said they see these shadows.
It's all the same stuff as aliens, as Bigfoot, as possibly
the Loch Ness Monster. I don't know, you know, and
there's other weird animals, youknow, like the Mothman, Mothman
promise prophecies, if you know what that is.
You know, there's all kinds of these different the Jersey Devil
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and people have seen these things and it's haunted them and
this and that. Well, it's, it's got to be a
demonic entity of some kind. That's how it's able to appear
and disappear. That's why it's here today, gone
tomorrow. You see it.
There's no tracks. And then there may be some
tracks, but, you know, there's nothing conclusive.
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And none of these things are, you know, up on some Hunter's
mount somewhere from being, you know, shot and killed.
I mean, I don't, I don't believethey're real.
I mean, they're real. You can see them, but they're
not real flesh and blood animals.
So having said that, are there ghosts?
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Now? There's demons.
If you want to know more about that, you should check out.
I don't, I should have had the book here handy, but I've got
one on the shelf up there. But Demons Among Us has got all
kinds of ghost stories, if you will, about demons in church
buildings and in parsonages. And The Haunting of Virginia
Crim is tons of ghost stories about these demons that haunted
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my mother while she was growing up.
They're pretty interesting. So if you're interested in that,
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you.
Hello, this is Kenny Williamson and welcome back to another
episode of Mckillsdick Chronicles.
Thanks for tuning in. And it's a whole another day
today. And plan on doing a little bit
of talking about some stuff. And I've got some more stuff
here that I want to talk about that is in the Prophecy Watchers
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magazine, which I have a subscription to that now thanks
to a fellow listener. And so I've been going over
these articles. I think they're really, really
interesting what so-called mainstream Christians today are
talking about in preaching, I guess, you know, So I liked this
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article a lot, part of it. I liked it because as you can
see, the title here, the title is What About Ghosts?
And I like this one because, youknow, I have a couple of
different books out The Hauntingof Virginia Creme, which is
about ghosts, if you will. At least they thought they were
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ghosts. I believe that they're demons.
And I have another book. What is it?
Demons Among Us, which is basically also a bunch of
different ghost stories. So I've got, I've heard and I
have written down lots of ghost stories.
So, you know, I think they're pretty interesting.
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I of course, I believe that they're demons.
Anyway, having said that, I havehere recently talked about
several things in the Prophecy Watchers magazine having to do
with Flat Earth. And you know, I kind of, you
know, I kind of let some people have it in there.
And I did have a comment on thatwhere somebody came in and said,
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you know, that that's probably not the right way to do it.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, you know, by letting these people
have it. OK.
But the way I see it is if you have a doctor, a so-called
doctor in theology, which, you know, you got that I'm, I'm
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almost that I'm, I'm getting close.
But that doesn't mean you're infallible.
And it also doesn't mean, it really doesn't mean you're
anything honestly. But these guys that are in these
magazines a lot, I think that they put the doctor in front of
their name. It, it goes straight to their
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head. And then I have to question, you
know, what Bible are you reading?
I, I guess none of these guys doanything King James.
So they're, they're really messed up right, right off the
get go, you know, because they're, they're quoting things
that are just so far out there from what the King James Bible
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teaches. It's not even funny.
So anyway, so this guy here, his, his name's Doctor Larry
Olson. I, I think one of the last
podcast I did about Flat Earth had to do with Larry here.
And you know, like I said, I, I called Larry an idiot in that
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podcast because he, what he did is he takes every single verse
in the Bible that has to do withbiblical cosmology and he
perverts them in some way or strictly denies them.
And he runs to NASA for his biblical cosmology.
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So he runs to Satanic man, OK, to tell him what the Bible says.
So he doesn't actually believe the word of God, not in that
aspect. And so now he's got another
article here about ghosts. And, you know, I, I'd say that
he's probably 8080% on, but he says some stuff in here that we
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just go over here real quick. So this particular article, what
about ghosts? He says that a few years ago,
him and his wife were traveling through Arkansas, which that's
where I live. I live in Arkansas.
Yay, Arkansas. Whatever.
OK. He said he needed a place to
stay for the night and he stopped at a hotel in Eureka
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Springs. OK, Well, if you're from
Arkansas, this area, you probably know that Eureka
Springs is kind of, I mean, they're full blown left out
there once, you know, some of them aren't, but there's lots of
hippies there. And if you want to go, there's a
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lot of nice stuff there. You know, I mean, they have a
lot of shops and there's a lot of cool things.
If you do go downtown Eureka Springs and hang out very long,
you will see lots of men dressedup like women.
OK, that's that's a biggie down there.
And you see them sitting around,you see them walking and they're
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clearly men wearing a dress in high heels and a wig, OK, Most
of them, some of them have even got their beard still.
OK. So I mean, there's no doubt that
they're men. So there's a lot of that goes on
down there, a lot of that. But they also have, you know,
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mountains and, you know, it's hills and all up and down hills.
And you know how a lot of peoplelike to go there.
They have bike rallies there, They have car shows there.
They have all kinds of get togethers in Eureka Springs.
So he says he was, he needed a place to stop for the night and
he was in Eureka Springs, EurekaSprings kind of out of the way
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of everything. So I don't, you know, I don't
know why you drive there to finda place to stay, but whatever.
OK. He says.
And you know, he they stopped inan older hotel.
It's obvious it'd been upgraded,although it still had this old
look. Well, everything over there is
old and falling apart, most of it.
So upon entering the room, apparently if he heard a
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commotion and there was a film crew there from the sci-fi
channel doing a documentary documentary on the one of the
most haunted hotels in America. And he said he see, it seems he
figured out that this hotel, youknow, used to be like a Mortuary
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or something or whatever they claim it was supposedly a bunch
of people die. They're supposedly haunted.
OK. He says after leaving the hotel,
he researched and discovered that the hotel also had what
they called ghost tours. OK.
And so this brings him to the question, do ghosts actually
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actually, actually exist? And what does the Bible say on
the subject? Well spoiler alert in case you
haven't figured it out. He was at the Crescent Hotel.
OK, the Crescent Hotel is supposedly haunted in Eureka
Springs, AR and they even have certain rooms that are
supposedly the most haunted. And you can go onto their
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website and try to book that room and you can go on there and
it'll tell you which one it is if you if you're interested in
that kind of stuff. And you know, it's like always
booked. So that room is really hard to
get. It's also Eureka Springs.
It's also or not Eureka Springs.The Crescent Hotel is also very
expensive to stay in. It is not a cheap motel.
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It's like a three or four story huge rock looking building and
it's very expensive. You know, they have regular like
super eights and all of your regular hotels because it's like
a tourist town. So they have all your main big
hotels for a fraction, fraction of the price of this hotel.
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So you know, he just happens to be traveling through Eureka
Springs. Why?
I don't know, because it doesn'tgo anywhere that I know of.
You people go to Eureka Springs,but they don't go really through
Eureka Springs to get anywhere else, if you understand what I'm
saying. On the main strip they have
probably hundreds of name brand big hotels.
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You know, Super 8, Drury, whatever they have, you know
that are normal hotel rooms thatare 100 bucks a night, $120.00 a
night. You decide you want to go up to
the Crescent Hotel, you're goingto probably pay 3 or $400.00 a
night, OK, because it's a, it's a big ghost tourist attraction.
So, so I don't know whose money Larry is spending, you know,
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maybe spending the church's money.
But if you actually went to the town passing through, I don't
think the Crescent Hotel would be the hotel that you would just
accidentally stop at. Definitely not if you're on a
budget. If you were to call around a
little bit and say, well let's see, I can go spend the night in
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150 year old hotel or a 20 year old hotel that's brand new,
that's got a pool, you know, andbeen really nice for $120.00 a
night versus probably 3 or 400 anight.
You know, I don't know why you'dstay there.
The only reason people stay there is because supposedly
haunted. OK, maybe he didn't know that.
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Maybe he was the out buzzing around Eureka Springs way up out
of the way and found the oldest,biggest hotel he could possibly
find. I don't know.
But anyway, that's his story. So, you know, there, there it
is. For what?
For what it's worth. Anyway, So you know, he he goes
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on and says, you know, define what's meant by the word ghost.
And I can agree on this. You know, the definition of
terminology used today would imply that a ghost is a
disembodied spirit of some kind.OK, I'm going to agree with
that. Some people think that it's a
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spirit of some person who has died, you know, and for some
reason they're still restricted here on an earthly plane and
they can't, you know, go to the next one.
And then they're looking for thelight.
Like them. All the Hollywood movies show,
you know, it's like, go to the light, go to the light.
That's what they're. Anytime you watch one of these
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Hollywood movies where they've got these ghosts, you know,
around like Poltergeist and all the above, these people are
hanging around for some reason. Or the movie Ghost, you know,
and there's this light that keeps coming up and they're
like, you go into that light, you know, you disappear.
So don't you know? So they don't want to go into
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the light 'cause they want to hang around earth.
But these mediums and people whocan talk to these dead people,
they're like, oh, go to the light, run to the light.
You know, that's Hollywood. OK, Anyway, there are, you know,
Jesus says something about in the Bible when they seem after
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he's been resurrected and they're scared of him.
He's like, what do you think? I'm a ghost?
And, you know, but that doesn't mean that ghosts are real, like
Casper the Friendly ghost, OK? I'm sure he was meaning a
spirit. You know, He's like, what do you
think? Basically, I'm something weird
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because they were scared of him.That doesn't mean they exist.
OK? I'd be like me said somebody
seeing me in the night and they're like, Oh my gosh, I'm
scared. I'm like, what do you think I'm
Bigfoot or something? OK Doesn't mean Bigfoot exists
just because I asked you that question.
I mean, you know, you've heard aBigfoot and people still talk
about Bigfoot. So I'm like, what do you think
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I'm Bigfoot or something? I mean, I look like a shaggy
Bigfoot, right? Well, there's really no such
thing as Bigfoot. I am wearing a Bigfoot shirt,
OK, from a conference. I went in Hanobe, Oklahoma one
time a little where Bigfoot lives.
It says, well, there, there was no real Bigfoot there.
OK, costumes, a lot of costumes,but not the real thing.
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OK, So let's see. Of course, you know, he goes on
to say, you know that he, he mentions the Jesus walking on
the water and you know, Jesus saying he's not a ghost.
And this isn't, you know, many of you use the Scripture as
proof that ghost actually exists, which, you know, many
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people don't understand the Bible too.
So there's no surprise in that. And he says, however, in the
original Greek language of the New Testament, the word ghost
and spirit are synonymous. I doubt this guy knows anything
about the Greek language. And if somebody was to say
original Greek, which one it's been translated, I don't know,
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like 20-30 Times Now. So, so which version you
referring to? I'm going to give you a word of
warning. Anytime anybody runs to the
Hebrew and Greek to change the King James Bible, they always
have their own agenda because it's already been translated
into English. OK?
So if you speak English like I do, you don't need a Greek
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translation to tell you what theword means.
It's already been translated, FYI.
OK, King James Bible translatorsalready did all the work for
you. So anyway, OK, let's see.
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Let's see. Now here.
Here's where here's where Larry gets lost.
I'm not sure what Bible Larry's reading.
I'm not sure where he got his doctoral education.
OK, because he really, really misleads people on the whole
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Flat Earth thing. OK, Biblical cosmology, if you
don't want to call it Flat Earth, that's fine.
But on the biblical cosmology aspect of it, he he's, he's so
far off it hurts. I would say he's lying about it.
So now, OK, OK, biblical cosmology, whatever.
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But now here we're talking aboutghosts.
OK, so but what we've done is we've jumped here and and here's
the statement he makes. He says the Bible clearly tells
us that when a person physicallydies, their spirit either goes
to Hades or paradise, also knownas the bosom of Abraham, which
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the King James Bible says Abraham's bosom.
But you know, hey, we can say everything backwards too, I
guess. You know, it's not peanut butter
and Jelly. It's Jelly and peanut butter.
OK. But anyway, so the Bible clearly
tells us though, no, that is notwhat the Bible tells us, does
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it? So he says, see Luke 1622
through 23. OK, we, we can go check that out
here in just a second. OK.
It says nowhere in the Bible is it found that the spirit of a
human lingers on earth. Well, now that's true there.
There's nothing biblical that says any, anything like that.
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But what does that Bible say about paradise and Abraham's
bosom? So what now?
I, I don't understand. Let's figure out what he how he,
he messed this one up. OK, So what we could look here
and we could say, let's see here.
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Well, first of all, he's callingHades.
Why he's calling in Hades, I don't know.
The only raise reason I can figure that is he's trying to
you know, he must be using some perverted Bible or he's trying
to I I don't understand it. I really don't.
Because for example, OK, in the Old Testament in Hebrew, OK, it
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says the word often translated hell is Sheol.
It means the grave or the dead or, you know, blah, blah, blah.
OK, so that's that's in Hebrew, but it's already been translated
to hell. OK, That's what the English word
is, hell. So why would we translate it
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back or whatever to and call a sheol when it's already been
translated into English? But instead we're going to go
back to the Hebrew word, scratchout the English word, and call
it something else. Why we don't speak Hebrew.
OK, it's been translated and it means hell.
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So now we get into the Greek, the New Testament.
Well, it's already been translated for us into English,
OK? And so now we've got Hades.
Hades, OK, Which is the Greek equivalent of Sheol, OK.
Well, and it says, you know, it refers generally to the realm of
the dead and not a place of eternal torment.
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The reason it says that is because the Bible says that when
you die, you go to hell, Heaven or hell, OK?
Hell will eventually be thrown into the lake of fire, OK, at
the great White Throne judgement.
So if you die and you go to hell, OK, you're going to be in
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hell until the White Throne judgement.
Now that will be a minimum of 1000 years from now.
A minimum. You've got your seven years of
Jacob's trouble, then 1000 yearsMillennium reign of Jesus Christ
on earth. After that, Jesus Christ is
going to bring the people up outof hell, and you're going to
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stand before the judgement, the White Throne judgement, and
you're going to get a chance to state your case, so to speak.
And the angels and the witnessesand everybody up there, they're
going to open up that book of the Lamb's Book of life, and
they're going to see if your name is in it.
And they're also going to open all the other books, it says.
And they're going to be able to see every sin that you've ever,
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ever sinned, OK. And the only way to get forgiven
for those sins is by the blood of Jesus Christ, if you accepted
Jesus. So if you didn't, your name is
not in that Lamb's book of life.Then you were taken and you were
cast into the lake of fire. OK, so you were in hell.
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You got out of hell to get judged 'cause, you know, you
didn't think you're probably judged 'cause you died and you
went straight to hell. So you didn't get a judgement,
but you are going to get your judgement, the White Throne
judgement. But of course.
It's not going to do you any good because you were already in
hell. It's not like you got
rehabilitated in hell, OK? You got sent there because you
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didn't accept the free gift. So you're already going to hell.
Yeah. And you're going, you're going
back to hell. In other words, you're going to
the Lake of fire. So.
OK. Anyway, so they, they've got all
these other words, Gehenna, Tardius, all this stuff.
The King James Bible says hell. OK, this translated as hell and
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you've got the lake of fire. That's the only two you need to
worry about. OK.
It says in in this article I'm reading here that you know, the
King James often translates all of these terms as hell, which
can cause confusion. No, it doesn't.
It's less confusion. They don't want you to read the
King James Bible. It tells you hell is hell, and
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that's where you're going to go.End of story.
OK, now eventually you will get a White Throne judgement and
then you will get cast into the Lake of fire.
So it sounds to me like you're going from the fire frying pan
into the fire. It's not any better.
It's probably worse. OK, you're cooked.
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You're done. It's over.
OK, so quit. No.
So having the having the word, you know, she'll having the word
Hades, having the word Gehenna, having the word Tartarus, that's
confusing the word hell. And that's the only word that's
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not confusing. OK, but to a brain dead, I don't
know what, you know, a brain dead supposedly Christian that's
hell bent on using the NASBA perverted Bible.
Well, you know they're going to say that using one word is
confusing, but we can use 10 different weird words from
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different languages that are dead and that's perfectly fine.
And even though King James says,hell, we'll, we'll try to go
back and translate it back, as stupid as that sounds anyway.
So yeah, modern versions like ESV and ESB, etcetera, in Ivy,
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you know, they often preserve the distinct Greek words.
No, they don't. OK.
What they do is they run back tothe Greek and change what the
King James Bible says is what they do for.
And it's probably for confusion,but why would you want to change
it back to the Greek word? You don't speak Greek.
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Even if you did speak Greek, youdon't speak that Greek.
That Greek is a dead language. It's been dead for like 15102
thousand years. You don't speak it.
Why are you trying to go back toit?
You, you see how dumb that is? English is the language of the
end times, the end times that we're in English.
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Is it baby, get you a King JamesBible and read the English
version. That's what we speak.
OK, anyway, so again, so when wego back and we start talking
about paradise and stuff, what we have here is of course he
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said to go into Luke, whatever which Luke, Luke 23.
So, well, no, that's not what Hesaid.
He said Luke 16, which we'll getto that in a second.
But in Luke 2343, you know Jesussays to the thief on the cross,
He says, verily I say unto thee,today thou shalt be with me in
paradise, correct? OK, prior to Jesus Christ, if
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you died and you were righteous and you believed in God, you
went to a thing called paradise.According to the Bible, paradise
was under the earth somewhere right next to hell.
OK, That's where you went. It also was referred to as
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Abraham's bosom. So before Jesus Christ, you
died, you got to go to a place called paradise.
OK, so let's keep on reading here.
Let's see, let's get to the dealhere.
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Actually, we just need to read Luke.
Luke 1622. I've got it pulled up here.
Let me move this out of the way.Luke 16.
Let's close that. OK, so Luke 1622 and it came to
pass that the beggar died. This called the rich man in
Lazarus. By the way, let's just start
over here. There was a certain rich man
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which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared
sumptuously every day. So the guy's rich.
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at
his gate full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the
crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.
Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores, and it came to
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pass that the beggar died and was carried by the angels to
Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was
buried. OK, and in hell not Hades, not
Sheol, not any other weird word.And in hell, OK, he lifted up
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his eyes, and being in torments,and see if Abraham afar off, and
Lazarus in his bosom. So Abraham's down there as well.
There are other Old Testament Saints right down there in
paradise. That's where they went.
They haven't went to heaven yet.They're in paradise.
They're in Abraham's bosom. But what's the alternative?
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Hell. OK, so.
OK, so. And in hell, he lifted up his
eyes. He sees Abraham and Lazarus and
he cries and says, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and
send Lazarus that he may dip thetip of his finger in water and
cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
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He is in flame. He is being tormented by fire.
That's what's in hell, folks. If you don't understand it,
there it is. OK, But Abraham says, Son,
remember that thou in thy lifetime receiveth thy good
things. And likewise Lazarus received
evil things. But now he is comforted, and you
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are tormented. OK.
And besides all this, between USand you there is a great gulf
fixed, so that they which could pass from hence to you cannot
neither they neither can they pass to us that would come from
hence. So in other words, they're over
there in paradise, and there's something there that keeps you
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from going into hell and there'ssomething that prevents you from
going to hell, into paradise. A great gulf that's fixed.
But yet you can see over there and apparently you can talk back
and forth, 'cause that's what they're doing.
They're having a conversation across this gulf.
Maybe they're yelling, but one guy is in fire and the other
guy's being comforted. He's in paradise.
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OK, so anyway, so he says, well,well, he says then I pray thee
therefore Father, that thou would have sent him to my
father's house. So he wants Lazarus to get out
of Paradise and go to his father's house.
He says, for I have 5 brothers, that they may, that he may
testify unto them that lest theyalso come into this place of
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torment. So he's like, send Lazarus over
there to my brother. So when they die, they don't
come here because obviously I'm,I'm burning up down here, right?
So Abraham says they have Moses and the prophets let them hear
them, but they won't. And, and he said, nay, father
Abraham, but if one went to themfrom the dead, they will repent,
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OK. And he says, well, and he said
to them, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will
they be persuaded though run though 1 rose from the dead.
And that's true because Jesus rose all kinds of people from
the dead and nobody listened. They still didn't want to hear
it. So this guy's like, well, Manny,
if they knew that Lazarus had died and he's rose from the
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dead, they'll believe him when he say, hey, there's heaven and
there's hell and you're going togo to hell if you don't
straighten up and and follow. Nah, they won't.
They're not going to do it because they don't care.
Just like why I'm reading you this right here.
There's some people say I don't care about that.
So again, so Larry here quotes rich man and Lazarus, OK, from
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Luke 16, and he tells you that when a person physically dies,
their spirit goes to Hades, which is not it goes to hell or
paradise. Well, that was pre Jesus Christ,
OK? Now when Jesus Christ died on
the cross, before he died, he said you will be with me in this
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day in paradise. So yeah, so it's there.
Was there OK, But now we have the next problem here, and that
is OK. In Ephesians 48, talking about
Jesus, it says when He ascended up on high, He led captivity
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captive and gave gifts to men. He also descended first into the
lower parts of the earth. OK, so before Jesus Christ
ascended into heaven, after his death, He led captivity captive
and he descended first. What?
Why did he descend into earth? He went down into paradise, and
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those people who were down therein paradise as like captives, if
you will, he took them and took him to heaven.
He didn't take the people out ofhell, OK?
They're still there. Hell still there.
The paradise was moved to heaven.
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Paradise is no longer in the earth next to hell.
OK, so let's see here. And then in Acts 231, then.
This is Peter quoting David. It says he's seen this before.
Spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not
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left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
So he probably went, he went down to hell, but he didn't go
into hell like for punishment. He went down there because he
got the keys to it. OK, He got the keys to death and
he got the keys to heaven. So he can control all this stuff
now. And he led the captivity
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captive. He took them to heaven.
OK, so basically here, here's what here's what it means.
Paradise was like a special partof hell, only a good part that
you can get comforted in, OK. It's a place of comfort, not of
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torment. And so it was separate from the
torment. After Jesus Christ resurrection,
he emptied paradise and all those souls are now in heaven in
the presence of God. OK, so the conclusion to that is
yes, Jesus went to paradise after he died.
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He didn't go to the place of torment which is hell, but he
went to comfort the people over there in paradise.
And after that, he led the people in paradise, Abraham's
bosom, to heaven. So that's a fulfilling God's
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promise of redemption to them. And so now the Bible teaches
that believers go directly to bewith the Lord upon their death.
And he's in heaven. He's not in paradise.
OK. So I hope that makes sense if
you don't understand that. So now to, to, to be, you know,
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absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Now you go to heaven. So having said that, Larry here
on the ghost section is still teaching that you go to paradise
or Hades. So he is still teaching
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something Old Testament. He is not teaching Jesus Christ.
What happens after Jesus Christ?He's not teaching New Testament,
Jesus Christ. Why?
I don't know. Now, just because you find this
in Luke and it's labeled in yourBible, New Testament, doesn't
mean it's actually New Testament.
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OK, New Testament, the New Testament doesn't start until
the death of the testator. The death of the testator is the
death of Jesus Christ after he is resurrected.
There is a new covenant, a New Testament.
You see, that's when believing in Jesus Christ and his death
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and burial and resurrection comes into play, otherwise known
as the church age, where you canhave eternal life by grace, by
faith, through grace by faith. OK, it's a free gift.
You, you, you couldn't really have that before because Jesus
Jesus Christ hadn't died yet. So his shed blood, you know, it
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can't, it can't wash you clean if the blood hasn't been shed
yet. You see all about, you know,
you've heard all the, the songs,you know, the blood washes you
white as snow. Well, there has to be bloodshed
in order for that to happen. So before Jesus Christ died that
that wasn't the case. So anyway, so I'm going to say
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on this, Larry again is dead wrong.
OK, When you die, you go to heaven or you go to hell.
That's it. We don't need no Greek words to
gussy it up. We don't need anything weird.
Paradise is a thing of the past.It's just it's just it just is.
So I don't, I don't know, like Isaid it, he says in the Bible
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clearly teaches what Bible. I don't know what Bible you're
reading that teaches such things.
Keep reading anyway. OK, so let's ask another
question here. What is it that people see when
they observe something that theyperceive to be as a ghost?
Obviously they're seeing something, but what are they
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truly seeing? They're seeing demons.
And, and, and he does say that. He does say most likely they're
seeing demonic beings who are onthe earth because they're cast
down to earth with Satan in his rebellion, probably.
Of course, Satan being cast down, that isn't coming to
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Revelation. That's a future event, in case
you don't know that. So he's a little off on that as
well. Satan has not been cast out of
heaven, OK? Satan is roaming around doing
whatever he wants and he's goingback and forth between here and
heaven. In fact, I mean, he talks all
about on Job. God is talking to Job or God or
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talking to the devil in in Job, you know, the devil shows up to
heaven and God's like, hey, whatare you doing?
He goes all just just roaming around here and they're going
everywhere. And so then God starts talking
to him about his servant Job. Well, the devil was in heaven
doing that. He's already Satan.
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So he hasn't been cast out per SE.
Like get out, never come back. He's roaming around.
He's roaming around like a roaring lion seeking to devour
you. OK.
He's not caged up somewhere in hell.
Not yet. A lot.
A lot of people teach that, though.
The devil's in hell. No, he's not.
And he don't want to go there. God created hell for the devil
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and his angels. They're not there yet, and they
don't want to go there. I promise you that.
They're right here and they're roaming around.
They haven't been cast out anywhere yet.
Now, have they fallen? Yes, they fought.
They fell from their current estate.
So if they were like like Satan,whose name was Lucifer in heaven
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and he was the one of the cherubims and he he you know, he
was a bigwig. He fell from that position and
he is no longer in that position.
And the other ones that followedhim, they, whatever they were
doing, they fell from their estate.
They are no longer in those positions.
But they were not cast out. They're not cast out until
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Revelation. Revelation hasn't happened yet.
OK, that's a future event. Eventually they will be cast
out. When things start getting rough,
he's like, OK, you're done, you're gone, get out.
You're not coming back. The next thing you're you guys
are going to see is hell. OK, And then after that I'll let
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you out for a little bit and then I'm going to throw you in
the lake of fire. So that's that's where they're
going. OK, so OK, so he says there's
also the possible that a non believer could see an Angel of
God and become fearful and perceive it as a ghost simply
because of their lack of spiritual discernment.
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Well, you know, you see a demon pop up.
I believe that these demons, devils, they can show up as
whatever they want. So they could possibly mimic
somebody, you know, So it's going to look like somebody that
died. You know, it could mimic a
Bigfoot. It could mimic an alien.
It can mimic whatever it wants to do to try to fool you.
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So, yeah, I mean, if if you're not saved and you're not
listening to what I'm telling you and you run outside and you
say, oh, I saw Bigfoot. I know he's real.
Well, you might have saw a fallen Angel, a devil, a demon,
whatever you want to call it. Did you really see a flesh and
blood animal? I don't believe you did.
I have a big Bigfoot shirt on, But I don't believe Bigfoot's a
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real flesh and butt animal. OK, It's, it's demonic in some
way. So demoniac, if you will.
OK, so let's see here. Let's see.
He goes on to say, you know, in these demonic fallen angels,
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demonic experience would be distorted and hideous and
operate in the realm of fear. And that's, that's possibility.
I, I think they can also not be distorted and show up as your
grandmother if they want to. And you know, if you read my
book, The Haunting of Virginia Creme, the ones that that, you
know, tormented my mother all through her childhood.
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Some of them look like regular people.
They weren't distorted. They weren't anything.
Some of them just look like an old.
One of them look like an old woman standing in the closet,
you know, So, I mean, some of them were weird looking.
Yeah. Some of them showed up as ape
men. Some of them showed up as little
green men. Some of them showed up as, you
know, who knows what I mean? It's all in the book.
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It's pretty interesting book. It's cheap anyway, so and he
goes on to a story which I agreewith his inviting demons to
church. He says that he became a member
of a church and small denominational church doesn't
say which one it is. 300 members.
To me that's pretty big around here. 300 members is pretty big.
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But anyway, let's say they askedhim to be the leader of this
thing and it wasn't because he was anything special is because
they had anybody else to do it. His own words and make a Long
story short is he goes to this meeting and they want to have a
big Halloween party for the kids.
And they're really, really concerned that they're not going
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to be able to top last year's Halloween party.
And that'll be a red flag right there.
Because, I mean, I don't agree with churches doing Halloween
stuff. Halloween is, you know, it's a
devil deal. It's a Pagan, demonic, the whole
9 yards. I mean, I know I did it myself.
I was raised a Pagan dressed up like ghost, dressed up like
vampires the whole night. I understand why are people are
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doing it OK, but there is a deeper meaning to it.
But they've taken it one step further here, he says.
You know, they're, they're really, they're really concerned
about outdoing previous year's party.
So finally, he says, you know, what did the church do last year
that's so difficult to top? And the pastor's wife leaned
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over and said, last year we got a large round table and brought
it down here to the Parsonage basement.
We covered it with a white tablecloth, lit candles, brought
in all the teenagers in the church and had a seance.
It was really great. You did what?
You had a seance. You you tried to contact demons
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in the Parsonage of the church. Well, devils at least.
At least this guy here realized you can't do that.
OK, so he said it was great. He says I couldn't believe my
ears is my first and last committee meeting.
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How can we truly believe in the word of God and knowingly
worship Satan. What an abomination.
Well, I've got to hand it to youon that one, Larry.
You're right. You can't be doing you can't be
claiming you're a Christian and doing seances messing with tarot
cards, messing with a Ouija boards.
You can't do any of that stuff. That is all demonic.
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It's evil and demonic and will end up getting you hurt
spiritually for sure. But you know, it's funny because
well, in my book Demons Among Us, one of the big things I talk
about in there is the Parsonage.Lots of the stuff that happened
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to my ex mother-in-law who's dead now.
God rest her soul. She, everything that happened to
her, lots of things that happened to her was church
related. It was either in a church or in
the Parsonage. So, and in the book, you know, I
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make statements of like, I mean,this is happening in a church
building. It's happening in the Parsonage
where the pastor is supposedly living.
OK, A lot of the stuff happened in these things.
And so, and of course, now, of course, according to this
article here, well, no wonder, you know, if you've got people
having seances in the Parsonage for Halloween, no wonder you've
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got problems in there. But the other thing is, is
you've got yourself a church building, OK?
A church building is not New Testament, OK?
They did not go and get in debt and have a big building.
They met in people's houses, they met in fields, whatever
they wanted to do. But they did not have big church
buildings. They had church members.
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Church members are members of the body of Christ.
OK. And you don't have to be in a
building to be in church becausethe Holy Spirit is inside of
you. OK, so, and you know, I listen
to a guy, I've got some of his stuff on here.
He's Brian Dillinger. He has stuff when you know, he's
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completely against church buildings.
You can watch his stuff. He has a YouTube channel called
Born Again Barbarian. He talks all about church
buildings and why they're not New Testament and what the
problem is with them. OK, I didn't used to really
believe all that, but the, the older I get and the more I pay
attention, lots of bad things happen in church buildings.
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OK, and I'm, I'm tending to believe that a church building
is not New Testament. You don't need to go to it #1
but if you do, you know, there'sjust the ones over here where
I'm at. They're, they're trying.
It's like they all try to outdo each other.
They try to get bigger and bigger and bigger, which cost
more and more money, but they don't have the money.
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So then they try to beg for the money.
All that They've constantly asking you for money, sending
you letters for money, begging for money.
I just don't think that's right.So I'm not for these gigantic
church buildings and the church building, you know, that is in
my book that was here not too far away.
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That thing is basically what you'd call haunted as well.
I mean, it's not ghost, it's it's demons.
You go in there and there's something watching you.
You can hear stuff, you can see stuff, you can smell stuff,
stuff that's not supposed to be in that building.
So why is it these things are attracted and hanging out in
this building where people are supposedly going in there, you
know, and they're worshipping, they're worshipping God, they're
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talking about Jesus Christ. Why are these things not fleeing
from that? But they're clearly not.
It's like they're attracted to it like a moth to a flame in the
Parsonage. All kinds of weird stuff
happening. I mean, the guy that used to
live in there, I mean, you know,they lose their minds.
These preachers end up losing their minds over these entities
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that are in there bothering them, constantly harassing them,
jumping up and down, appearing, disappearing.
And this is in a Parsonage in a church.
So I mean, when this kind of stuff is going on in these
buildings, it makes you wonder what else is going on in there.
But anyway, I don't know. I think it's really, really
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weird that this stuff goes on. But anyway, in my book, Demons
Among Us, that's it has all to do with churches and Parsonage
of being occupied by demons of some kind.
Anyway, anyway, he he goes on, he he's he does pretty good on a
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lot of stuff, but he sums it up again, saying, you know, the
Bible teaches the human spirits have passed into paradise or to
Hades. They're restricted.
OK, and they're unable to communicate with a living.
Well, obviously I agree with that.
They're unable to communicate, I'm sure because they're not
allowed to or unable. I don't know, but but you know,
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in, in paradise and Hades here or hell, not Hades, they weren't
allowed to, but that Hell's still there.
But Hades is a thing of the past.
OK, That was gotten rid of. So anyway, I don't, this is a
new magazine. I don't, I don't know why we're
teaching that. So if you, if you still think
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there's a paradise, you know, read a little further in your
Bible, there's not. And if you, you keep calling in
Hades, I I don't know where you're getting that because it's
not in the King James Bible. Just hell, that's all it is
anyway. So yeah, obviously the Bible
talks about not sinking familiarspirits, which is, you know,
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probably a demoniac that thinks it's, you know, or is pretending
it's somebody you know. And so you, you think you're
familiar with it because like, oh, that's grandpa over there.
No, it's not. Now it's a demon parading around
his grandpa or whatever. OK, so don't fall for any of
that bull. But anyway, so I thought that
was pretty interesting. So that's that's the article in
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that one. So my advice to anybody would be
obviously I don't believe in ghosts either.
I believe that they're fallen angels, demoniacs of some kind,
devils, demons, whatever you want to call them.
I think that they're masquerading around as loved
ones, as ghosts, as the shadow people, as they call them.
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People said they see these shadows.
It's all the same stuff as aliens, as Bigfoot, as possibly
the Loch Ness Monster. I don't know, you know, and
there's other weird animals, youknow, like the Mothman, Mothman
promise prophecies, if you know what that is.
You know, there's all kinds of these different the Jersey Devil
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and people have seen these things and it's haunted them and
this and that. Well, it's, it's got to be a
demonic entity of some kind. That's how it's able to appear
and disappear. That's why it's here today, gone
tomorrow. You see it.
There's no tracks. And then there may be some
tracks, but, you know, there's nothing conclusive.
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And none of these things are, you know, up on some Hunter's
mount somewhere from being, you know, shot and killed.
I mean, I don't, I don't believethey're real.
I mean, they're real. You can see them, but they're
not real flesh and blood animals.
So having said that, are there ghosts?
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Now? There's demons.
If you want to know more about that, you should check out.
I don't, I should have had the book here handy, but I've got
one on the shelf up there. But Demons Among Us has got all
kinds of ghost stories, if you will, about demons in church
buildings and in parsonages. And The Haunting of Virginia
Crim is tons of ghost stories about these demons that haunted
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my mother while she was growing up.
They're pretty interesting. So if you're interested in that,
let me know. Check out our website anytime.
I've got Truth seekers ministry.org, we have got it's
flatbro.com and I just put up a whole bunch of new videos on
there. I think 8 that have to do a
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biblical cosmology, obviously. So go check that out if you're
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