Bryan Simpson | Singer/Songwriter - Melodies N' Memories: Music Media

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Speaker 5 (02:00):
I'm excited.
I don't know I can still getexcited for these shows.
So one of my first groups everhad on this podcast, way back
when I was Everett Huge Everettfan, And of course me.
If I hear a good song, I'm onSpotify or I'm clicking song
credits Where'd they come from.
Where was that song born?
And I kept seeing this one namepop up and I kept on digging.

(02:21):
I found out some cuss from likeTim McGraw and Joe Nichols and
stuff like that.
I was just like man we mighthave to have this guy on the
podcast sometime We'll have alittle chat I was saying what's
Marley barking at now?
That's our dog barker.
Sorry, guys.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
In case anybody doesn't know, we're in our home
studio.
That's our basement studio.
Okay, basement.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah.
So that's how I was, like Ikind of had this guy on sometime
and I just kept kind ofwatching over the last year or
two and what he's been up to Andhonestly, i just love this
guy's songwriting style, i lovehis music and I'm like all right
, it's time to reach out andhave him on finally.
So tonight we're excited.
We're joined by a Fort Worth,texas, native, who's got some
serious songwriting chops andhas left his mark on the
industry more ways than one,from his hits that have been cut
by the likes of Joe Nichols,tim McGraw and Blake Shelton to

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his unwavering dedication to hiscraft.
We're honored to have BrianSimpson join us.
Brian has been all has alwaysbeen passionate about his music.
He grew up surrounded by therich musical heritage of Texas
And it's safe to say that it'sseeped into his soul.
With his raw, powerful vocalsand moving lyrics that hit all
the right notes, he's quicklyrisen to be one of the best
songwriters in the industry.
You can feel his heart in everyword he sings and every chord

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he strums.
We're honored to discuss themelodies and memories that make
up his journey.
We're gonna have to write.
Welcome, brian.
Oh, what's up, buddy?
We are so excited to have youon time.
We're so ready.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Welcome to the Shriver Circus.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
We got kids, the dogs , of course we were all ready to
go.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
That intro was incredible.
I wasn't nervous initiallyabout doing it, but after I hear
that review of that intro, i'mlike I'm a little nervous.
I just had dinner with my wifeand she was like you're just
gonna go on a podcast live,there's no taking it back and
there are people listening andyou're gonna have to try and
seem kind of coherent andinteresting.

(04:07):
And I was like, oh God, thatdoes sound difficult to do.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
No pressure.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
We lay it off pretty easy too.
It's pretty laid back andeverything.
And that's why I like doingthis show.
Man, this show kind ofdeveloped around COVID Because
songwriters and artists didn'thave a platform for a year or
two And so we were kind of doingthis podcast and interviewing
just fellow fans of music andwhatnot And I think it was like
the Everett guys that actuallyreached out to me.
It's like, hey, man, we everwant to have an artist on

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sometime.
I'm like, yeah, let's do this,let's do this Right.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
they're great.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Dude, I love it.
I know we were talking a littlebit earlier.
We'll probably talk about themlater when we're talking about
some music.
But, dude, I like to throw thisback every week the same way
And kind of get your earliestmusic memory, man.
What were your parentslistening to when you were
growing up?
I know you kind of like wasaround the age of nine.
You knew you kind of wanted todo something in music.
What happened from when youfirst knew about music to the
age of eight, man?
What kind of what kept itbrewing for you?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, i grew up in a family my dad loved Like I would
sit in the garage and not learnanything.
Certainly he would just test itout.
They don't know how to doanything with cars or anything
like that.
Our tools are completely.
I'm a tool when it comes totools.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
But I certainly, but I did do the late 70s, early 80s
country FM, country, gold radio, all that kind of stuff.
And then we would also and thenI don't remember what about
what age, but I wasn't too oldwhen my family my granddad I
think started dragging thefamily down to Bluegrass
festivals down in like Glenrose,texas, and we'd go down in that

(05:40):
festival twice a year And itwas a really you know, the
Bluegrass festival you can getreally up close and personal
with artists, and so I would sitthere and soak it up, mainly
with my granddad.
I remember him and me and himsitting through shows.
I'm not even sure I was thatinterested in the music at the
point at that time, but I wascertainly interested in hanging
out with him And he would sitthere with his legs crossed,
legged in a cockeyed hat on hishead And it'd be in the middle

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of it could be 102 degreeswatching some band that was
probably probably rehearsedmaybe once every month or
something like that, and he justloved it so much, and so it
made it really easy for me tosort of soak up that music, and
so those are some of my earliestmemories.
I do remember, like being notvery old, dressing myself up and

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as much as I possibly couldwith a hat and sometimes a
diaper, and I wouldn't bewearing the cowboy hat and just
strumming this big guitar thatsomeone had bought me and my
grandparents probably, or myparents maybe some Yamaha guitar
playing to like Ricky Skag'sCountry Boy record when he's in
that electric suit on the cover,and that was probably like this

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instigated everything.
I just wanted to look as coolwith the feathered hair and the
electric blue suit, and CountryBoy is just an amazing record
for me.
So I would sit there and strum,not knowing at all what I was
doing.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
I don't want to jump around, but you worked with
Ricky Skag's at 1.2, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, it had to be a full circle for you.
Yeah, it was.
It's a large feather in my capof it kind of made me feel like,
okay, something I'm doing isright.
I remember getting a call wehad made a record my old band,
cadillac Sky, we had made arecord and we had produced it
ourselves and everything likethat.
And then, oh, that's cool, thatpicture on the feed that my

(07:27):
wife took that picture in achurch, that's a cool.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
that's an awesome picture She didn't props tonight
for it.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
She's not a professional photographer, but
she's got all these photoseverywhere.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah, I like to steal like 30 photos or whatever like
from your Instagram or whateverI could find, Just to kind of
show your journey while we talk.
So it's cool to have that oneon there.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I pay people $2,500 a session to do big photo shoots
and the photos that appear aremy wife's and she's like, yeah,
don't you forget.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
She does the same stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh yeah, She does how to catch me in the right light
and everything.
But yeah, i remember sittingwith my wife we had made this
record.
We didn't know what to do withit.
I still, 20-something yearslater, i still don't know what
to do with these records.
I don't know if you want tomake them, how do you get them
out there?
how do you get people to hearthem?
We were stuck in the same grindback then And this had been

(08:17):
probably around 2005, i think,and I remember being at Duck
Lake in Fort Worth, texas, andme and my wife had just gotten
ice cream cones and Ross Holmes,who a great fiddle player,
played in the band a good friendfor a long time, and he plays
now.
I think he lives in Nitty Gritty, dirt Band now.
I know he does, unlesssomething has changed in the
last few weeks.
He just called me.
Ricky, googled the band just tofind because there was so

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little information and theinternet wasn't as expansive as
it is now.
And he Googled the band becausehe heard some of it.
His engineer had gotten therecord from our engineer, eric
Legg, and passed it on to a guythat worked for Ricky And Ricky
heard it and loved it and justGoogled the band, found that the
fiddle player Ross was teachinglessons at this place in East

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Texas.
So he just called, randomly,called the shop.
Ross happened to be there.
Ross said, well, hey, the guyyou need to talk to, the guy
that started the band, kind ofruns capping over it because
nobody wanted all the troublewith it really.
And then all of a sudden RickySkaggs is calling me and I
really thought it was a prankcall.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, ross would be prone to do something like this
as well.
So when he called and said, hey, brian, this is Ricky Skaggs,
or hey, buddy, whatever you callme, probably it was either
buddy or Brian And he said Ilove your record, i want to buy
it from our label, and I waslike I didn't even, i don't even
think I even heard the figure,the amount.
I was like I'm in whatever.
And then and I just keptwaiting for him, as we did, as

(09:44):
we started the process ofputting the record out for him
to just say you know, like Iwant to change this, i want to
change that, you know.
And he never said anything.
And I just had this all my life.
I'd heard of Ricky being this,this nickname of picky Ricky,
and I just knew he was going tosay something kind of sucked,
honestly And we need to fix it.
And he never really saidanything at all.
I think he suggested addingsome a second fiddle or

(10:06):
something to one of the lastsongs in the record.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
But that was just an addition.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
It wasn't a subtraction, which I was surely
was coming, so that that is.
but yeah, that in thatrelationship was great.
And still he, i, still.
I worked on a song with him late2021 that hasn't come out yet,
but hopefully we'll at somepoint And he's been a mentor and
somebody that I can look to inthe music business is a guiding

(10:29):
light of how to like sort ofcarry yourself with integrity
and honor and presenting.
Ricky does an incredible job ofnot only making music is
interesting that's true to himbut also doing it in a way that
has a lot of that honors hiscreator and honors the gift that
he's been given through that.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
So he's built his own style too, like he's his own,
like you hear those type ofsongs, like when you hear it,
you're like, oh, that's so.
And so you hear Ricky Skaggsong No, that's Ricky Skagg's
playing that song You're like,oh, that's, i know that.
That's a little I know thatplaying our bandeau, playing
right there, Yeah.
I love that man.
I love when you mentioned thatRicky Skagg's had an early

(11:08):
effect on you.
I'm like man.
I'm reading somewhere that heworked with them too.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's incredible.
That's what a great story.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Dude.
So I always also like to ask,kind of your first concert
experience, that you kind ofreally the first one that you
went to is like Wow, this issomething like you just had to
take something away from it.
Who did you go see and what didyou take away?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, it would have been.
It would have definitely beenlike at this, that festival I
mentioned earlier, okay, oakdaleBluegrass Park, where there was
, there was a band called theLewis Family Band that would
play.
They would be there, i think,in the fall, usually around
October, and they were like thissouthern gospel bluegrass band
out of Georgia and they wouldroll up in their bus.

(11:47):
They were like one of the fewbands that were like kind of
like the big band that wouldplay down there and at the time
they had their own TV show inGeorgia and all this kind of
stuff and they were pretty bigtime and at least in those
circles, and to me they werehumongous because they pulled up
in a big Eagle bus, a SilverEagle, and they all rolled off.
And at that point I was probably, like you know, six, seven,

(12:08):
eight years old.
I was like it was blowing mymind.
I thought that was the bestname, the coolest, most rock
star thing I'd ever seen.
And then they would take thestage.
There'd be like seven or eightof them in the band, three
sisters, a couple of brothersand uncle and dad, the whole
family and they'd get up thereand for their 45-minute set they
would entertain within an inchof themselves.
And it was funny, it wasmusical, it was worshipful, it

(12:37):
was fast.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, you kind of got a little bit a little taste of
everything when you went and sawthem, almost.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, i just remember I was probably bitten by the
bug in a way there.
But I wasn't necessarily likeI'm more extroverted than ever
now, but I've always kind ofbeen like my brother is far more
somebody that would walk up tosomeone like I would never I'm
sure I never walked up to thatband and said, hey, i'm a huge
fan.
I never walked up and said, hey, i'm Brian, or shook their
hands or nothing.
Now my brother would do thatand sometimes I'd hang out

(13:05):
behind him, even though he'sfour years younger than me.
I'd kind of be behind himbecause he was always more brave
when it came to that stuff, butI definitely knew that's what I
kind of wanted to do is makemusic.
I remember when I was insomething was a Sunday school
class they made us put a littleon a piece of paper what I
wanted, what people wanted, whatkids wanted to do, and I had

(13:26):
written down there on a musicianwhen I was like nine years old
So, and I think it wasself-fulfilling My wife would
prefer that it wasn't like theonly thing I knew how to do.
I should have on that piece ofpaper it said what you want to
do when you grow up I shouldhave wrote this is the only
thing I want to do.
No plan B, yeah, but I neverlearned how to do much anything

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else.
I always tell people it's likeeither I was either going to be
successful at music or startbreaking into houses and it's
really hard at my size tosqueeze in the window.
So this is all the voice I had,really.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
It's a good thing that worked out, then I love
that.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
So, with your brother being four years older, did he
have any music influence on youman, Did he?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
pass anything.
Oh, he was four years younger.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Oh, okay, Well then okay, well then, let's, let's
throw it that way.
Then Did he kind of bringanything new and fresh to you
that you might never heard, likeI mean, i know, granted, i'm 30
or I'm 40 years old now and mykid's nine, but he'll bring
songs to me or people to me.
I'm like, oh man, who's this?
I'll start listening to it.
But he ever introduced you toanything that was kind of out of
your range.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
For sure.
I mean, we're pretty close andwe always have been musically
aligned in that respect, So, buthe definitely will.
He'll tell something that Ihaven't got a chance to check
out And it'll be, you know, andhe's always been there.
There we are, me and Everett onthe screen, but the he's always
been.
I mean, i don't think I have tolook far to know that between

(14:52):
him, my family and my wife I'vehad incredible support system
And he's always rooting for meAnd he's always I always.
I'm always asking him to giveme feedback, and so we're always
talking about kind of finding away to work together, and he's
one of the.
You know, on one hand, i canname people that I can trust
they're going to give me anhonest opinion and not one

(15:14):
that's built of anything otherthan one of the best for me.
So he definitely gets to hearthe songs about as fast as
anybody does.
I'll send it to him and seewhat he thinks about him, and so
he stays.
he's an integral part of themusic I make for sure.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
He won't sugar cut it .
He'll tell you what he reallythinks about it.
No, he won't sugar cut it.
Yeah, he won't sugar cut it,yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
He has, you know, and honestly he could be just like
he could rip me, because I'msure as an older brother, there
were times where I wasn't thekindest to him.
Yeah, we definitely.
Most people will attest to thefact we played Twin Fiddles when
growing up.
We would play it, go downaround to local operas and play
Twin Fiddles shows, and so Iwould teach him the parts or

(15:51):
whatever.
Now I was a pretty decentplayer, but I wasn't a very good
teacher.
I wasn't a very patient teacher.
I feel like I'm a betterteacher now, but my patience was
really short.
He wasn't quite bitten by thebug that I was, so he didn't
practice as much.
So probably to my parents myparents are probably thankful
for that They didn't practice asmuch as I did because they got

(16:13):
their sanity back, but I saw itwould be kind of I would be a
little more of a task masterthan somebody who's a patient
teacher, which is probably whathe deserved.
So in spite of that, he stillseems to be pretty kind with me.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
I love that man.
So you started a song rightaround the age of 12 or so,
before 12, did you really knowwhat a songwriter was?
Did you kind of did you everlook at old CD books or cassette
books or anything like that andlike look at the songwriter
names?
Did you have anybody me youlooked up to then?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, i think I did.
I think I started looking.
One reason was I started.
There was a guy that played.
He just passed away the lastcouple of years.
I got him, tom or, and he had aband called the Shady Grove
Ramblers And Tom had written,actually, a song for one of my
favorite concert experiences andone of my early ones.
It wasn't it wasn't theearliest by any means, but

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probably around 13 years old Iwent to see Tom had written You
May See Me Walk In, which is anold big hit for Ricky Skaggs
back in his country days hisepic days And he was playing the
seminary there in Fort Worthand we went to see him play And
I got to meet him.
That was the first time I got tomeet Ricky.
But Tom wrote songs and and hewas a visual present, a visual

(17:26):
representation of he didn'tactually sing the song, he wrote
the song for the artist And theartist sang the song or
whatever, even though he was anartist in his own right to some
degree.
I mean, for honestly I don'tthink about it a lot, but my
career path has probablyfollowed his Tom Moore's career
path more than I'm, more than Iusually publicly recognize,

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because he had his, he had bandsand but he also wrote songs for
other people And his life kindof gotten the his his making,
having children and having tomake a mortgage and stuff kind
of got in the way of his beingable to do it full time like
I've been able to.
But he was great And so he wassomebody that once I saw, once I
knew he wrote songs and I hadheard them on other artists, i

(18:08):
started to look into it more andpay attention to it more.
I'm not sure I understood thefinancial end of it at all, like
I didn't know that.
You know, sitting on this couchI could make a lot of money if
I did, if I figured out everyonce in a while you get pretty
lucky and bless for sure.
But but I do remember starting.
Tim O'Brien was a hugeinfluence on me, like his band

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Hot Rise.
I knew he wrote songs as wellfor other people, although I
didn't know Tim, but he had aband called Hot Rise but he had
written songs for, like KathyMatea and, you know, dixie
Chicks later on and all thesekinds of people.
So I was.
I was a little more aware thanmaybe some kids, but still I'm
not sure at all.
It synced itself together orsince the self of my brain, like

(18:54):
stitched it, that's the word Ishould use.
Stitched yourself together, oh,they make, that's how they make
money and this is how thisprocess, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
We were talking.
We were talking to a guy lastnight.
I went growing up I alwaysthought for the longest time
whoever, whoever's name was onthe cassette tape.
I was born in the 80s so I hadcassettes.
But whoever's on the cassettetape, that's who's saying it,
that's who wrote it, that'swhere the song came from was
them.
When I, when I looked at CDbooks or cassette books and saw
other names in it, i got, itsparked my interest.

(19:22):
Like all right, who's thesenames?
and parentheses like who'sthese people?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, so that's what I think about it is now.
The funny thing about it now isthat it's actually more true
now.
You would actually.
Most artists' names areappearing on the songs.
Yeah, not every one of them isactually.
Well, i won't get into that.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
But we've seen more singer songwriters lately too.
I feel like the singersongwriter genre is getting huge
lately and people are keepingsongs more for themselves, and I
love that.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, it is And there's, you know there's.
I think you know it's funny.
What do they say?
What's the mother of invention?
I can't remember the term, thephrase, but lack of is the
mother of invention.
Somebody's screaming at thescreen.
I'm supposed to be the one withthe way, the words, but you

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know, i think the fact of, like,record sales not being what
they used to be, i think you'reseeing a lot of people go find
other routes in order to sort ofmake their own records.
You're seeing a lot moresongwriters not just sit, you
just can't sit around and waitfor royalties to come in by the
next hat act you know, so kindof making other avenues, and so
they're finding ways that theycan.

(20:36):
So you're seeing a lot morerecords made by people that
still write songs for otherpeople but also making records
of their own, and so it's.
It's a really cool thing andyou know, i love more the.
I love hearing what.
I love hearing the songs thatthe songwriters haven't gotten
recorded.
I'm always kind of disappointedif I go to the Bluebird or
something like that, and if I'm,i don't get to go over there

(20:59):
and just sit.
I used to sit in the pews overthere and just like soak it up
at the six, the six o'clock showor whatever, and I would just
walk out of there so inspired,you know, getting to hear guys
like Craig Carruthers or DonHenry or Don Schlitz or whatever
, all be in this big round andhaving.
They'd be having the best timeand I just wanted to be in that

(21:19):
circle.
They'd be singing songs that Ididn't heard because they were
kind of quirkier songwriters notDon Schlitz, he obviously had
plenty of hits, but the otherguys were a little quirkier, so
they would play these quirkylittle songs and I wouldn't have
heard them before and so Iwould be so intrigued by those
songs.
The ones that aren't gettingnecessarily, because I know for
me the songs that aren'tnecessarily the ones that you

(21:41):
would list in a bio, are thesongs that are the songs I would
go man, there's a couple songsin my catalog that no one would
probably will ever hear, but I'mthe most proud of.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
For sure.
Yeah, we're Die Hard EricChurch fans.
Everything behind us that yousee on the War Walls is all
stuff I've collected EricChurches over the years and I
once somebody gave me like 70songs of his way before his
first album that are justpublishing cuts this and that
and I swear to see that some ofhis best work I've ever heard
Like and people never heardthese songs.

(22:11):
They're buried there deep down.
They'll never see the light ofday.
I think Ray Fulcher finally cutone like a year or two ago and
it was crazy that he even cutone.
But I listened to some of thosesongs now and I'm like dang
dude, if he put one of these outthey would go straight to
number one.
Like just listen to these songs.
But yeah, some of these, someof the songs are these gems that
you only will hear if you go toBluebird or Songwriters Rounds

(22:34):
or places like that.
So definitely veryinternational.
Check those little areas outbecause you're gonna hear some
cool gems.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
For sure, man, I love them.
Yeah, that's Eric is amazing.
I get to write with one of theguys that writes a bunch, has
written a bunch of hits with him, Jeff Hyde.
He's one of my best friends andone of my favorite guys to
write with.
You should have it.
I don't know if you've had himon here.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
No, we know, we know Hyde real well.
We've had Driver on, Driver'sbeen on.
but yeah, we've known Hyde foryears, man We've.
Jillian and I used to live indown in Mississippi and we got
to catch Eric Church in like 06and started to kind of hang out
with the guy That's actually hisGibson Hummingbirds right over
my shoulder.
He had him giving it to me oneyear and I was like dude, this
is blown away Like cigar burnson it.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
but yeah, I do you said Jeff's a little more shy.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
He's a little more shy than it, Yeah but he's
quirky dude, and that's what Ilove about.
Jeff, he's a great songwriterthough He's funny when he wants
to be.
I got a.
my old dash cover from my caris autographed by him and Jeff
wrote don't take no woodennickels.
I signed my dash in his car butjust the funniest things he
would write are in everythingelse.
I love it because he's quiet,but when he puts pen to paper,

(23:36):
dude things that come out of himare just wild He is.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
He is a true, true songwriter, and he's another
Texas boy.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yes, what was one of your favorite songs you wrote
with Jeff.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
We just wrote a song called Spinning.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's about a man getting his.
He's getting.
Well, i'm seeing him.
I wonder if I could think ofwhat it.
I never can remember what theactual, what it actually is here
.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Speaking of the devil , is a picture of you and Jeff
hiding in front of the bluebird.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh, that's the very next picture That guy tried to
say have you heard his songPants?

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, was that his one album that he put out?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I don't know.
Charlie Wershyn put it on arecord but it has like seven
lines in it and he tried to makethat on that show at the
bluebird.
He tried to make that his round.
You know I was gonna.
That song is like let's see,can I play something a little
bit.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, go ahead, buddy , go for it.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Let's see It's called .

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Spinning.
Last summer the Lord calledGranddaddy home as we laid him
in the same ground.
That he loved and worked everyday of his life.
But before he was six feet down, all the next to Ken was
fighting, trying to get theirhands on the family farm.
Some distant cousin with a bigshot lawyer, one album, both

(25:01):
those.
The barn put up a Starbucks anda pizza.
A strip mall for a country mile.
But the insurance rates keepgoing up because every once in a
while the ground starts torumble and the building starts
to fold the walls in thatconcrete jungle start time to

(25:25):
light Jericho.
People start raising hell andpraying, thinking it's the end
of the world, earth's way.
Me, i'm grinning, no one, it'sjust granddaddy spinning.
It is great, yes and it's justgreat.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I love it started following you demand.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
I got that from you.
Like I, i watch a lot ofyourself.
I'm like this guy.
He has a funny side.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
He has a serious side , so I love your writing too.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
I'm a I'm a big Luke Dick fan and, honestly, when I
was researching for this show,like I saw so much Luke Dick
stuff in you like I was likethis guy.
It's like almost a spinningimage of like Luke Dick's been
doing over the years.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I love it yeah, man I love.
We've only gotten around acouple of times, but I think
it's because people go up and hedoes similar stuff to him, so
let's put it with someone whowho doesn't do the similar thing
, you know whatever, but I'dlove to.
I hope, to get more, moreopportunities to hang out with
Luke and just watching.
I, i loved it.
I love guys that do anythingwhile they're writing.
That's kind of interesting andLuke'll light up a pipe.

(26:25):
I was doing the right.
It's so interesting to me.
I don't have enough vices.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
When I'm writing, i just kind of sit there we had
him on the show and I swear he'ssmoking weed in that pipe.
Oh yeah, he was sitting therelike this with that pipe the
whole time that we were live.
I'm like this guy's is a badass.
I love it so um, i also, when Iwas researching for this show, i
heard uh, there's one timeyou're in a movie theater and
you had a run out because youjust was inspired for a song.

(26:52):
Do you remember what movie itwas?
and two, do you use your cellphone a lot, kind of when you're
just a spur of the moment, likewe're kind of like I got
through, the sound of my phoneis an idea that I can't let go
oh yeah, yeah, i was.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm trying to think of what movie it was.
The problem is it wouldn't havebeen just one movie, it would
have been lots of okay um, thatI, you know I love going to
movie weeks, if not twice everytwo weeks, and Lately there
haven't been too many good onesto see, so but but we will try
to check them out.
So we love going there.

(27:25):
So I definitely get inspired bymovies and other stories or
whatever, and I always feel likeI can write off the movie
ticket if I can go get a song Idid for me.
So it's really just a taxevasion situation, yeah, so what
was the other question?

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Um no, it's kind of like what you kind of want one
another movie, so I was hearinglike you had like 9,000 voice
memos or something in your phonelike so.
How often are you always usingthat?
like to put ideas?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
down.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh, it says oh, i have 8,937.
I recently deleted one, it says, because I finally decided that
one out of the 890 8000 and wasnot any good.
All the rest of them, i'mholding out.
Hope for that someday they'regonna bloom into something great
.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh, they will.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'm sure That's awesome So most of them are a
lot of them.
Like every 20 of them are thesame exact song, just like me
singing and You know, getting ona, getting in a sort of a
rabbit hole where I just likekeep Changing the melody or
tweaking or tweaking lines, andthen a new one and a new one.
So sometimes I do have to gothrough there and clear them out
because it's just like a lot ofthe same, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, that's crazy.
I have just to do list in myphone.
Tons of mom always have to dohim.
Come a topic, i like to laythings out, so I had those lists
, but, um, so you wrote betterthan I used to be with Tim
McGraw.
For Tim McGraw Yeah, joeNichols, a guy with a girl,
blake Shelton man.
Your lyrics over over the yearshave been very personal and
heartfelt and everything else.
How do you decide, though,experiences that we're talking

(29:11):
about, like movie theaters isn'tthat, but how do you?

Speaker 4 (29:14):
How do you draw from?

Speaker 5 (29:15):
yeah, I decide which experience to draw from when
you're writing songs like, doyou know?
like alright, i'm gonna takethis, i'm going to the right
with this experience.
This is what I want to talkabout, or do you?
how do you pick?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
in rooms I kind of do a little bit of both.
There are times I walk into aroom that I, when I'm writing
from Myself, i definitely wantto like.
I definitely, when I'm writingfor my own projects, i'm trying
to find something that's only me, that I want to write about.
It's um, i Can hear as I'mwriting a very if it's a song
idea like that.
I think to myself like I don'treally want to have to.

(29:46):
It's not the words, not quite.
I don't think what compromiseis quite the correct word.
But I don't want to put anybodyelse on the hook for this idea,
like you know.
I mean I'll be the one thatanswers for the blankets, the
blame and the credit.
Yeah, you know, if it's stupidOr it's too silly or too weird
of an idea, then I won't becauseI feel like there was some

(30:07):
responsibility.
If I go in and co-write withsomeone that you know They
probably want to, or someone intheir camp wants them to write a
song that can actually actuallymake money, i always joke to my
wife that the genre of musicthat I make is nonprofit and she
always amens.
She says she doesn't, but Ithink secretly she But uh, the

(30:30):
Oh, somebody texting.
A good to see.
And here you, brian.
Hope you have been sosuccessful.
Hey, blake, that's cool.
I used to see each other at thethe great van opera back in the
day.
Um, i don't know if I'msupposed to read those when they
come on, it's all good.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Hey, yeah, i throw them up there.
People comment on the comments.
I throw them up there if youwant to read them.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
But there are time but.
But when I'm in the room,especially if I'm writing for
another artist, i'm trying tofind something out, probably to
my own detriment Not one.
I don't necessarily loveworking in broad strokes, so I'd
rather find something that isvery like, sort of like they're
the only artists that could singthat like.
Like you mentioned Everettearlier, they have a song called

(31:14):
dang the whiskey, which is asong about Brent getting in
trouble with the law when he wasa kid in Up in Bowling Green,
and so no one can actually, youknow, no one if they didn't cut
that song, no one else iscutting a song, because no one's
actually probably had thatexperience and I usually were
writing it from a first-personsituation.
Now, sometimes it would work,it might work, but obviously

(31:35):
there's a lot of money to bemade in the broad strokes of
lyrics that are less Lessnuanced or less less niche.
So but So I like to do that.
I like the right songs, thatonly artists, because if it
works and when it works, they'rethe only ones that can sing
that song and I feel like theaudience will completely feel
who they are, and That's myfavorite kind of artist is that

(31:58):
when I hear them I can.
I can hear their soul, i canknow who they are, in three
minutes At least, to some degree, a lot better than I did before
, because there's certainartists on the radio on a
regular basis that I, i Mean, imay like their song, but I have
no idea who they are.
They could have, they might havefive number ones.
I could name artists for you.
Well, i don't have to, becauseyou probably know who they are,
or you maybe don't know who theyare, you wouldn't even know who

(32:20):
they are.
But I go oh, they had that song, they had this song, but
there's no like, sort of like,there's no tie, there's no, no
ligaments between the song andthe artist.
It says it connected me withthe artist and you can see that
all the time in like streamingnumbers for artists that have
number one songs But havestreamed.
You know very little, theystream very little.
And you have the artists thatare streaming like crazy And

(32:41):
that necessarily haven't toppedthe charts, except for maybe a
few songs.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah.
Yeah, dude, is crazy how this,all this whole industry works,
but we'll talk about that.
It's like I got a question withthat.
But uh, you moved to Nashvilleat 19, what was a turning point
in your life and you reached outand make this jump come Texas
national.
That's a huge jump to make, man, so we'll finally brought you
to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Um, it's funny.
I did an interview earliertoday I don't usually do
interviews And I'm done done acouple of the day for a guy that
was writing a book aboutNashville And he asked me that
exact same question and I I wastrying not to be overly Sort of
like I don't know, i wasn't, iwas trying to give some sort of
answer that had some likePhysical implications, not be so

(33:27):
whatever, so poetic, but it wasit comes.
I literally remember What drewme here was the first time I
came here.
So at 19 I got a, i got a, icame up and did an audition I
think that's what you're talkingabout and did some audition for
some different artists andactually got and got the, got
the gig, and so I would comehere and work out of here and
travel out of here and play withdifferent bands.

(33:48):
And I just remember I can'tforget the the way it felt when
I first drove up on the mumbrean, which is the street here in
Nashville, coming off theBroadway or whatever, and I
remember getting out at the showknees parking lot that used to
be there.
It's so cliche, but I got atthe show knees parking line.
There's a best Western that Ithink I might have stayed there
a night or two.
I think there was a round thatnight as well, in the middle, in

(34:10):
the front of the best Western,which I don't sure they used
they still have that, but theyused to and I just remember the
air was thick with creativity ina way That I just never felt
before.
I definitely felt some sort oflike gravitational pull And and
it always, it has alwaysremained.
Sometimes I don't feel it asmuch now because I've been here
so long, but if I go away for along period of time which I

(34:32):
don't do very often but if ITimes where I go out of country
for a week or two or whatever, ican come back, i can feel it.
There's this, there's just abuzz in the air From all these
people, all these little beesbuzzing around the high up
trying to try to do something,but they don't know exactly what
they're doing.
It's such an energy to come hereand go.
I mean you think about.
It's kind of crazy to come hereand think out of you know I

(34:54):
have something.
It's funny, it on a honestly.
It's funny the egos that can bea national and the fact that
people are relatively humble,because they came here going
like I know there's a lot ofgreat songs in the American
music catalog but I have decidedto add one or two or three or a
thousand to it.
I have something to say thathasn't been said before, that

(35:15):
comes with its own sort of itsrot, with all these sort of like
Characters.
You have to be a character,think I have something to add to
something that has so many, somuch great lineage already, you
know.
So we come here and we try tofigure it out and there is no
sort of like.
You know there's no five steps,five steps to success in
Nashville or any music business.

(35:36):
You know I, you know the dotsthat connect are Radic at best.
And you, you know, usuallyyou're putting your foot out
into the water and the stoneappears right as you put the
foot down into the water.
You know.
So it's very like you could.
You know it's walking on faithin a lot of ways and and trust
in that something somehow It'sgonna work out.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, I love that you talked a little bit about
characters in there.
And something I was listeningwhile I was studying or
researching for this show wasyou quoted Wendell Berry once
about practice resurrection.
Is this something you still doin your songwriting?
Do you feel like you need toreinvent yourself Every so often
to kind of keep it fresh?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
For sure, for sure.
I mean you know, like I don't,i don't make, i don't make
records regularly enough.
Most of this happens in record.
In making records I don't makerecords regularly enough, where
You know.
So that, like I'm not, i'musually a few years at least in
between, three or four years inbetween.
So in doing so, you know, imean a lot of me has changed by

(36:38):
the time I'm ready to makeanother record.
And you know I try to I'm anaval gaze just as much as
anybody And and try to sort outmy life and sort out where I
stand, and things are alwayskind of like change.
There's my brother right there,i'm gonna drink there.
So things are always changing.
So and, yeah, i mean there'sone of my.

(37:00):
You know, i Renew your, renewyour mind daily.
I think that's a scripture,that's a something Paul said in
the scriptures, and, and so Itry to do that, try to get a
clean slate.
I try to think look at thebusiness and look at my music
and look at myself and look atevery folks around me as as um
freshly as I possibly can andnot, you know, because we get a

(37:22):
habit of just kind of like, youknow, looking at someone but not
seeing them you know, and uh,we kind of like we, we decided
what they are, we decided whatthis is, and sometimes I can do
that with music as well.
I go, oh, it's just gonna gothis way, you know.
And or you know, if I do thisrecord, i know what's gonna
happen with it.
It could probably won't be thething that I, it'll probably be

(37:43):
disappointing in some way, orit'll be this or that.
You know I have.
I can set all kinds ofboundaries for it.
But thankfully, you know,there's a Quote I have put on a
couple places before.
I'm trying to think of the guythat said it.
He was an old guy.
But uh, sometimes you build thefires, sometimes you build the
altar, so the fire can comesdown somewhere else.

(38:03):
It's the quote I think like thatUm so you know, we just um.
I'm always trying to.
You know, go in there and try tomake up my mind, to be As open
to the situation as possible,and who knows what's gonna
happen.
You know, like I um, with mylast, with my, with my was in
Cadillac Scott, this uh umBluegrass adjacent band that I

(38:26):
had for for a long time, between2002 and 2010 Um, you know we
were, i remember the last coupleyears We were kind of coming to
the end of.
You know you work really hard,you tour for a couple years.
You can kind of, if you're notmaking the strides that you
would hope to make, you know youhaven't had that break or
whatever.
Um, you know you can reallyfeel like, and sometimes it's

(38:47):
just sometimes the good newsthat you're wanting to get It's
just stuck in a slow email.
You know, uh, slucking, and youjust haven't gotten it yet.
And so I can remember sitting attelluride We had played a
festival show We played early inthe day, went on ride or
whatever.
Um, but you know you don't knowif you're making an impact like
you'd hope to do.
I mean, we all have visions ofgrandeur.
I do at least Um to have peoplereally, you know like, oh, i'm

(39:10):
gonna, this is the record that'sgonna blow their minds.
This is a record that's gonnamake me, uh, the new towns, vans
, ad or whatever it is.
You know whatever my egoconjures up.
Um, uh, foolish delusions.
But and I remember, uh, mumfordand sons Winston Marshall of
Mumford and sons came up to meas I was going to him to tell
him how much I loved his band.
He comes up to me and goes hey,i wanted to meet you.

(39:31):
We've been playing your recordfor the last two years on our
bus.
It's one of the, when we cameto America, your band and and uh
, oh, cro medicine show wherethe two bands we wanted to meet
Because they inspired our sound,and so it's one of the things
you go Oh, i had no idea aboutthat.
You've been doing this for twoyears.
Like I, oh, you know you kindof go start bargaining with God.

(39:52):
Why couldn't I got thisinformation two years ago, god,
when I was feeling kind of likewe're not getting anywhere?
Right, right, no, so you knowyou just trust that the music is
going into the places and is,and you have to.
I mean.
I have to.
I don't know how someoneoperates in the music is about
some kind of faith that, uh, insomething.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Did you tour with Mumford and Sons with Cadillac
Sky, or who are you?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, i, i was, um, sort of at the end of my rope
with, with um, it was so manythings going I was trying to.
I was trying to still um, uh, iwas trying to Live my life as
well.
I just come to faith in 2008 ina new way that I hadn't ever
done before.
I was raised up, going tochurch and knew of new, of God,

(40:34):
of course, and, uh, had somerelationship, but I'd never sort
of like invested time intogetting to know this God that I
was saying that I believed inand had Created me and all that,
all the different ins and outsof that relationship that I
wanted to try to spend timedoing that.
I was also traveling with theband.
I was also traveling toNashville and trying to continue
a songwriting career that washaving some success.

(40:55):
So it was a really difficultroad to figure out and I was
just like man.
You know what?
there's an opportunity.
Uh, i was like man, i think ifthe band could shift gears, go
on tour with Mumford and Sons.
I'm not sure that's what I wantto do.
The rest of my life, um, isbeing a band, um and uh.
So I did go play some shows.
I played a show in Milwaukeeand um play to show down and and

(41:17):
uh, uh, but, um, we try toswitch over to another lead.
They I try to say, hey, here'sthe guy that I know that can
sing the lead.
Um, maybe I can use this as asort of a jumping off point for
the band, because a lot ofpeople were coming, the band was
coming to a lot of people'sattention at the time because
they were getting exposed forthe month from Son Tour that the
band opened up for and, uh, itdidn't quite work out that way.

(41:39):
The band kind of broke up aftera couple of months, um, but uh,
there was also uh, um, that wasthat, was that, was that was
that point, just even knowingthat we had, you know and it's
always good to hear it, man,from someone that, hey, you're
doing something that's gettingto people, that's inspiring them
in some way.
That's why I appreciate yousaying this and having me on the
The podcast.
You know it's like, oh, i mean,it likes what you're doing.

(42:00):
Yeah, i love it.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, this is a lovely thing.
Yeah to the stories and,honestly, to your songs, because
I Ever since I kind of foundout about John with ever I was
like dude, this guy He has somestories and he has just a lot of
stuff when I was researchingfor shows I was interested about
because, like you went toAfrica once, uh, and that kind
of changed a little bit aboutwho you were to tell me a little
bit about that trip, man, andkind of how you came back from

(42:24):
that trip.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Um, well, definitely changed, um, also with greater
perspective.
I've actually went there threetimes.
Um, we started a school overthere with a lot of bunch of
people helped and and providedmoney for this school, which
didn't cost a whole lot actuallyto build.
And we've got um in a placethere in Sierra Leone.
There's a place where, um, Uh,in a place where, in the history

(42:47):
of of that country, they'venever had an opportunity for
kids to go anywhere near theirhomes to school um, up until,
like you know, they'd have towalk several miles Um, we're
talking like 10 miles to school,um and and and be at risk,
especially the young girls.
And we were able to build aschool there, um, uh, in Sierra

(43:10):
Leone, benduma, with the help ofa lot of people that put their
money into it and, uh, we justthe first.
We got 120 students and we justgraduated our first group into
They go, they go off into highschool.
So it's, it's a, it's a up andit's like, basically, can a
garden through 5th grade tomiddle school or whatever?

(43:32):
So so we graduated, the kidsare graduating into that and
it's been, it's been, it's it'sfunny, it's a, it's funny, could
you go there?
and you're like one thing.
I came back thinking myself, ormost everybody said when I came
back, like was like, can youjust want to take all those kids
with you?
I certainly did not because ofthe fact that, not because, i

(43:54):
think, just because the joy theyhad.
You know, i was really thrownby the fact there weren't a
bunch of sullen, sad sack kidssitting around.
That didn't because they don'treally know.
You know everybody doesn't kindof have there you know what I
mean The lowest economic placesin the whole planet.
So you know they're playingsoccer with balls made of tape

(44:18):
that they put together or their.
You know climbing up palm treesto get get fruit or something
like that in order to, orcoconut trees or whatever to get
coconuts.
And there all these in thererunning in the street.
You know they're not necessarilysad or whatever, and I was like
we have to bring them all backhere and stick them in front of
video games.
But you know, i mean we can alllearn from each other, you can

(44:42):
be honest with you, and sothere's some beauty, there's
definitely some beautiful stuffthere And I just and also just
learned that.
You know that it probablyexpanded the way I thought about
faith and you can really geteasy to get tied into the
concept that Christianity islike a American idea or

(45:03):
something like that, or thatit's primarily.
You know, i don't know.
I mean there's just a bunch ofthings you can get, you're
easily get tied into and thenyou go and see how this is, how
faith, whether it's Christian orMuslim, has impacts the world
in a powerful way And I'm noteven saying negative or positive
in powerful ways.
You have very devout peoplearound the world and that

(45:27):
impacted the way I think abouteverything.
Really, meeting some people at aconversation on a hillside with
one of the guys that was one ofthe ministers, the Christian
ministers.
He wanted me to have thisconversation with his father who
was sick.
Who is this devout Muslim?
Now they have peace among theChristians and Muslim there in
Sierra Leone, but you know, it'sa little tricky to be

(45:52):
proselytizing another Muslim,that's one thing.
To go there and teach and allthis kind of stuff, but to try
to kind of if you approach itlike I'm trying to pull someone
onto our side If that's whatsomebody looked at it and
there's plenty of people that Iknow that do look at it that way
I just want and that's the waythis, this Koji was his name,

(46:13):
that's what he wanted me to do.
He wanted me to convince hisfather to become a Christian.
And I remember having aconversation on the hillside
that was I opening for him and Iopening for me, and to see that
, you know, like that, he was awell thought out man.
He had and he didn't agree withme And I didn't agree with him
about a lot of things, but weboth had our.

(46:33):
Both of our goals wereultimately to know God and to
see his creation Live.
You know, live in continuitywith the, with their creator,
and we have different ways oflooking at it.
I remember at the end we shookhands and I said, hey, i'm going
to pray for you, you pray forme, and that God would, god

(46:54):
would shine a light, give usboth wisdom.
And he shook my hand and thatconversation changed the way I
think about everything as well,and I think Koji walked away
disappointed.
I didn't you convinced him.
Why didn't you do no good?
But it's funny, those thingsthat you think you're going to.
You're going to go changesomeone else's world and they
change yours.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
But man, it's great, it's awesome hearing that story
because you're changing livesover there, man, with having
that school and everything.
It's just phenomenal whatyou're doing over there.
Like, i read a little bit aboutthat kind of you're working
with a nonprofit and everythinglike that And I just I was so
intrigued by that, i just wantedto hear that story the whole,
the whole about the trips andeverything.
But I didn't know about theschool, which is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
They're just breathtaking.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
I love that.
No, it's cool to see peoplegive back like that man.
And honestly I mean just to goover there and give those kids
this another day of dreaming andbe able to study the right way.
And you said just not walk 10miles to have something right
there in their neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
They won't have the 10 miles uphill story to tell
their kids.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Our parents had my parents.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
So tell me a story.
So well, we talked a little bitabout Cadillac Sky.
You guys released three albumstogether and then you came to
the whistles and bells.
Tell me a little bit about thatproject, man, how it came along
.
You released two albums underthat title.
Are you still thinking aboutyou're going to come back to
that project and really say more, or how you feel about that I?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
just finished.
I will say this I just finished.
I thank you for mentioning allthose.
I just finished a project whichI've been shooting some.
I just shot some videos fordown in Texas.
I was in Texas.
I've been working on a bunch ofstuff So hopefully I have a
single out off that new record,but hopefully the next few
months.
I've been saying that for awhile.

(48:37):
It's really one thing to.
I've had the records finishedsince February, but it's it's a
whole nother thing to sort ofshift into gears of like.
Let me, you know, just to gointo be a tupperware salesman.
All of a sudden you know it'slike I just wanted.
I love making music.
It's all the selling part of itand getting the word out is the
more difficult part, especiallyright now, because it's such a
like a.
It's such a.

(48:58):
It feels like you got to have alottery ticket to.
You got to, you got to win a.
You win the lotto to getpeople's attention or whatever.
But that's all going to beunder the umbrella of just my
name.
So that's all this music theWestern, the bells, the golden
age, the Cadillac scouting, allthese things and a bunch of
songs I've written for this newproject.
I just decided to try to liketear back the veil, do it under

(49:22):
my name And, for better or worse, be the one that's going to
that.
The buck stops here, kind of.
So the wisdom so I love to makethe wisdom the bells was a
project built up around the ideaof like.
When I did come to a new content, i thought about faith and
thought about God and thoughtabout my place with God and all
that kind of stuff.
I went to the radio and Ididn't necessarily find songs

(49:43):
represented how I felt about it,how I felt how I felt about I
found the road of faith to bemore difficult than As much as
anybody.
But I'm still moved by worshipsongs that you would hear in a

(50:06):
modern church or whatever.
But I also wanted to writesongs that I felt like reflected
my journey in some respect.
So those records were kind ofbent around that, a little bit
built around those concepts, andso I've you know I don't want
to keep making this like I said,practice resurrection.
I'm not trying to continue tomake the same records.
So I think you hear it in thisnew record.
There's certainly all parts ofme, whether it's I'm just.

(50:30):
I'm happy to talk aboutanything in my songs, whether it
be you know, love, life, god.
All that stuff is allinterconnected to me, so it's
all so you can hear all that inthe news and the new material.
But it just began in my name.
I love that.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
I love that you're putting it on your name too and
say, hey, this is who I am.
If you like it, great, if youdon't, whatever.
So you know, i love that, man.
I love that you're putting itout there and just saying, hey,
this is me.
So well, before you wrap up,man, i got to ask one last
question, because when I waslistening or researching for
this, one thing's just popped upYou used to sell Kirby vacuum,
so so did I.

(51:08):
I think the only one I sold wasto my ex-girlfriend's mother.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I sold one of my mom for sure.
I brokered him Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Oh, we froze.
I think we just got froze.
There we go.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
There was like $600.
I think you can make $600profit on each vacuum cleaner.
So as long as you just, i thinkyou know we would cut in our
profit anytime we did I don'tremember how much you sold them
for like $1,200.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Yeah, we sold them.
When I was selling them, thishad to be when do we get
together 2004?
This had to be like 2001,.
2002, when I was doing, i thinkthey were around $1,200.
And it was like $600 profit.
But you could go down the priceand that's cutting into your
profit, exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
So yeah, I mean it was good man, I sold like 12 one
month And I only did it for acouple of months And then I
started selling security systembecause I did not like, I did
not like selling, selling vacuumcleaners, And we would always
they would always do these likecalls, these cold calls, to
where they would offer me toclean them.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
You get one free room .

Speaker 2 (52:14):
We talked about it.
It didn't take me long tofigure out, like, hey, man, if I
walked in your house and theywere like really kind of like
not very nice to me And justsaid, hey man, like a lot of
times this would happen to belike Hey, i'm never buying that
vacuum cleaner too expensive,but you can clean my floor And
he walked out of the room, I'dbe like let me go get my stuff
in my car And then I'd put thatthing in drive and leave.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
See ya, goodbye.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
So if they weren't nice to me, they certainly
weren't getting me to cleantheir floors.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
That was the same way .
Then we'd always have the bigguys where you're like, oh
that's NASA quality, whateverthe tubing was, and he'd be
trying to pull it apart.
I'm like, dude, that's my,that's my.
my demo said don't, don't ripit.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
The center man, the center was always the bed bugs.
When you do the black light onthe bed, I mean, if you hadn't
had someone sold, especially theladies, if you, if you took
them to the bed, can we go toyour bedroom and then I'd take
the black light and put it overthere Over their bed and they're
all.
These bed bugs would be almostin any bed.

(53:13):
You'd find bed bugs, especiallythe houses I could get into
with these things, you knowright.
There would be bed bugs and it'dbe like they just hand me their
credit card.
I remember the the last thatwhen I quit, actually, i
remember I sold to this youngcouple that just married.
They were like 21 years old Andand I remember the price at the

(53:34):
end of when they paid off thepayment.
There's gonna be $50 a month,but I think it was over the
lifetime, but it's going to beabout $3,500.
They were going to pay for thisvacuum cleaner And I just knew
like man, this is going to.
Really they were in, theirapartment was tiny, you could
tell they were just barelysurviving And I just sold them
this thing and I felt terribleabout it And I was like I can't

(53:55):
do this anymore.
I had to call them.
I was like man, this is becauseyou always sold to the people
that really could barely affordit.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, you said that that good sales pitch and
whatever I couldn't do, i waslike you know what I was.
The same way, i cannot sellthis piece of junk to people
Like it was a good vacuum, butwe had, like, the little catcher
you put on that would catch thestuff in the white little
filter And you show them here.
Here's your coffee filter fullof crap on your vacuum.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Oh yeah.
And.
I was like my mom has it.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I got a tank that head of that thing is like kill
animals, Right.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Yeah, our sales pitch we vacuumed there with their
vacuum, they're living orwhatever.
Then we use the Kirby with likea little catcher on there and
go over top of it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Like see what your vacuum missed.
Yeah, Exactly, That was thetrump card man.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
I love it.
So you talked a little bitabout work on some new music.
What else is the rest of 2023look like for you, man?
And so next year, where are yougoing to be working?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
on.
Yeah, that's it.
I'm going to try and begin thisrecord out.
That weighs heavy on my mind.
Getting it out and getting itgoing because I want to, i love
me.
I've already started working onanother record, so I didn't
have this one out, so I lovethat part process.
I write all these songs thatfor my records, basically almost

(55:07):
all of them by myself, so whichis its own, its own animal And
I really it's like it's funny Iwrite them myself.
I do feel like I'mcollaborating when I'm writing
them by myself somehow, i don'tknow how, but I do feel like
there's a couple of people inthere.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I'm not necessarily You could be a collaboration in
different parts of you.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah they tend to disagree with me.
I find those collaborationswhen I'm writing myself to be
harder than the ones with actualpeople, but I do love the
process of that.
It's really like I feel kind ofgetting in tune with the muse
as much as I possibly can.
So I got to get the records outand start playing some shows.
I'm playing a couple of shows,coming up songwriter shows and

(55:47):
then putting some band showstogether as well.
So I'm pumped about that.
I have a song.
I'm grateful my girl, haileyWitters, has a song on the
charts.
It might be at 18 today on thecharts.
So me and my wife are both justpraying and going with the
charts.
So it's been on the chart forlike 70 weeks.
It feels like It feels like Ithink it has been So hopefully

(56:11):
by December it'll polish off itsjourney somewhere near the top.
So that's what we're spendingmost of our time doing and
probably that's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Hailey Witters is out there killing it.
She's amazing, one of thoseamazing artists growing up.

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It's our sponsored part of thenight.
We pulled a couple of cardsearlier.
I call these cards againsthumanity the other day, but
they're not.
They're just kind of a littlemore heartfelt than cards
against humanity.
But when you find yourself indoubt, what are a few steps that
you can take in the rightdirection?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
A few steps I can take in the right direction.
Is this in songwriting?

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Yeah, it's songwriting.
anything, man, If you ever findyourself in doubt, just in life
in general, it's anything.
What do you do?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
probably pray.
I know that may not be the mostexotic answer Pray.
Find a couple of people that Ican count on their counsel to be
pretty good, to be trustworthy.
Ask some people that have beenthrough it already.
That would be a thing.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Call that your brother yours.
What is that?
Call that brother yours.
but all right, That's what Ineed.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
My wife's very honest .
She'll tell me what she thinksas well.
So I got all kinds of people Ican call a friend and get a
bunch of people to kind of giveme some feedback on what I
should do.
But you know like, and I try to, you know I try to be in tune
with what I'm doing on a regularbasis And a lot of times I know

(58:10):
I knew when I started somethingthat it wasn't the right thing
to be doing it or whatever.
It didn't feel quite right.
So I'm trying to be quicker atcutting those ties earlier on So
I don't get myself in these toodeep in the forest of, of, of,
uh, yeah, that's it.
Just don't get too deep in theforest.
Start to notice the early, thefew trees right at the beginning

(58:30):
where you don't feel right.
You know I love that.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
So our second one is what are you most nervous about
in the future and how can youprepare for it?
Is there anything that you'relooking for in the future that
makes you a little nervous, andhow are you preparing for it?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Collapse of the bank system chat GPT.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
No, I don't know.
Um no, I'm not.
I'm not really nervous aboutnothing.
Like I feel, um, uh, you know,I'd like, I'd like, uh, here in
Tennessee, I'd like interestrates to come down so I can buy
a house without paying throughthe roof.
Um, uh, I'd like some propertyin Franklin, Tennessee, to open
up so we can buy some, buy some,some acreage, Uh, so I'm

(59:08):
nervous that that's not going tohappen anytime soon.
But, I'm not too nervous.
I mean, my life has been um.
you know I try not to get tooahead of myself or whatever
That's kind of what we do.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
You take day by day and just whatever it throws us
at us tomorrow, wherevercurveball comes, we're just
going to try and nail it out ofthe park, man, and see what
happens.
All right, buddy, this, thisnext section, i'm going to do a
little different thing.
We call it melodies andmemories, um, and I normally
just pick four songs, play acouple of seconds of each song
and we talk about your firstmemory.
The songs I picked tonight arejust songs that you've written

(59:39):
over the years that I kind of Idon't know I connected with in a
way, and I'm like you know what.
Let's hear a story that youmight have.
So the first time you hear thissong, we're just going to talk
about the first thing that popsin your head that you think of
when you hear it Hit the yellowone.
So when you hear yeah, by JoeNichols man, what's the first
first memory of pops in yourhead about that song?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I mean, my buddy asked me to write that song and
there was a Billboard magazinesitting right there on the table
and it was of Usher and Usherhad a song called yeah And we
decided to write a country songcalled yeah.
um, that was completelydifferent, nowhere near the same
thing, but that was definitely.
usher was definitely theinspiration for that title,

(01:00:21):
which is not much of a title.
honestly, i was concerned thatall my I was going to have.
I was like you know, i lovesong titles.
I was like am I going to have ahit song called yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Money, because it wasn't.
I don't, it wasn't my buddy,matt Jenkins and Zach Crowe, a
couple of my buddies.
They have a song called.
It was a Dustin Lynch song, butit's called yep, yep, and I was
like man, this is we.
We're really mining some realgems here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dig indeep for those.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Yeah, definitely, man , i love it All right, hit the
green one.
This is one of my favoriteartists right now, other than me
, jackson Dean.
So when you hear that man,where did that song take you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
It takes me to that.
Have you seen the video ofJackson Dean singing the
national anthem?

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
No, I might have to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, he's like 17 years old and he's like, it's on
YouTube and he's like, he'slike, oh, he's probably, yeah,
he's probably 17.
He's in his football, he hashis, he has his uniform on and
everything like that, and theyask him to step up there and he
sings this rendition of theanthem, or star spangled Yeah,
yeah, out of this world.

(01:01:34):
I forgot for a minute.
I was like is the anthemsinging the star spangled?
Yeah, yes.
Okay, good, but they and he justsings the hell out of it.
Honestly it's incredible.
And so when you're with him andhe is like a shotgun coming,
you know it is loud and powerful.
And we wrote that song like Ibet that song didn't take I

(01:01:56):
don't think it took probablymore than an hour or two to
write that song.
It was really easy to write Andwe I think me and Ryan Tindall
wrote that song.
We've written a bunch of goodsongs.
I love me and Ryan were in aband for a minute together and
everything.
But we started out on thelittle patio and then Jackson
Jackson got there.
We finished the song up and itwas nothing And I you know some
things.
Some things are like.

(01:02:17):
Sometimes getting songs cut islike pulling teeth and sometimes
it just happens like that Andyou don't even get to have to.
You don't have to have a secondto worry about it.
I wish more were like that one,yeah, for sure I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
All right, here's my favorite one.
You did by with Everett, so goahead and hit the yellow one.
We're going to be okay, man,everett dude, i love it.
This is one of my favorites.
When you hear that song,where's it taking it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
My wife, my wife she we wrote that song before,
before COVID, and my wife, youknow, every once in a while
she'll come to me and go Hey,whatever happened to that song.
Whatever it's, it may be adifferent song, it was better
than it used to be for TimMcGraw.
That was one of the ones shewhatever, i love that song, but

(01:03:05):
this was one of the ones.
She said Hey, whatever happened?
that song And I remember Itexted it every now said
whatever happened to that song.
And then they then they werelike yeah, what, why didn't we
do something with that song?
And then it came out at the andthen they were like Hey, why
don't we just?
they went and made it kind of,i think, mid COVID or something
like that.
They went in the two of them andmade that record and put it out

(01:03:28):
and I, man, I thought it wasthe perfect anthem for what we
were all going through andfeeling kind of lost and not
knowing how things were going toturn out.
And so then the recording ofit's just magic.
Brints voice is killer, andAnthony's, Anthony's production
on it is really, really poignant.
And yeah, I love that song too.
I wish that.
I kind of want them to do itand do it and put it out again.

(01:03:49):
So every if you're listening toput it out again, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
I'll let it down and be like Hey, this is just a
single for you guys, Yeah Allright.
The last one is another one ofthose.
What happened to songs you justmentioned?
but we're going to do this one.
Go ahead and hit the green Sobetter than I used to be to
McGraw man, i love this song And, honestly, when I was
researching for this show and Isaw you wrote that song, i was
like man, that's when my life Iam from this guy.

(01:04:13):
This is one of those songs, man, that just hits you.
But when you hear it, where'dit go?
Where'd you go?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I'm sitting in.
I'm in the attic of mygrandmother's house putting her
Christmas tree up.
That song has has has a longlife It was a cat man nine lives
.
But it was initially recordedand put out as a single by Sammy
Kershaw And it didn't actuallywork necessarily, but it they

(01:04:43):
played it a ton down in theLouisiana I remember that and
because that's where Sammy'sfrom, whatever And it became a
single and they did a video andit all while this had happened.
Tim McGraw had recorded it.
So I was really worried thatTim was going to decide not to
do it, you know, because SammySammy's on the backside of his
career but he's still at somepresence in the business in the

(01:05:05):
industry And so and then, so youknow, i didn't hear nothing for
a while.
The Sammy then came and went andand then I hear anything from
Tim and then my wife literallysaid Hey, what happened to that
song?
So I'll try, i won't make thistoo long.
I'm going to make it short, buthe played it on the view.
One day, out of the blue, heplayed on the view and I was

(01:05:29):
like all right, we're in.
Man, this is going to happen.
It sounded so amazing.
And then, like a month later, hebroke up with the curb records
and he had made a whole recordfor them And they said that
record's never, tim's notputting that record out, you
know.
And so I thought, well, therewe go, it's not going to happen,
you know.
And then curb, maybe despiteTim, i have no idea, but they'd
spent money on this record andthey went ahead and put that

(01:05:50):
record out, despite Tim not havenot supporting the record.
I was in my attic or mygrandmother's attic, putting the
Christmas tree up and I don'tknow if I was putting it out or
putting it up.
I can't really remember I maybe putting it out, bring it down
from the attic.
Can't remember that.
I think it was actuallybringing it down around
Thanksgiving That's what it wasAnd my friend Matt Jenkins, wife

(01:06:12):
Brittany, called me and saidHey, they just played your song
on the radio.
It's the new single from TimMcGraw and no one had told me.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
I had no idea And she had heard it, you know what I
mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
And so I was like what You know, i fell out of the
attic on the floor and my jawalong with it And that song,
that song is like one of myfavorite songs I've ever had,
recorded for sure, and I play itevery round and it always has
some sort of you can just seepeople.
you know it's a.
I'm grateful that we wrote thatsong.
It's a song that people canalways feel they they've had

(01:06:43):
some sort of experience withthat sort of place in their life
And it definitely spoke to theplace I've been in my life and
sometimes still are.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Yeah, i do.
I love it.
When I hear it I always thinkof, like the meme you see that
just be a better person than youwere last year, just be a
better you than you were theyear before.
I think of that song all thetime because, honestly, i used
to be better than you used to be.
Man, as long as you are, keepmoving forward, so yeah there's
my favorite line.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
The song is actually not the hook, it's the line You
don't have to be who you'vealready been.
You don't have to be who you'vealways been.
That's always the line I'm like.
You know you're not.
You know we can feel trapped byour circumstances or trapped by
our history or whatever, but wecan rise.
You know we can rise up out ofthat.
You know there's opportunities,you know, just there's.
I think people, if you givethem a chance, we'll forgive.

(01:07:28):
Give them a chance to forgiveyou and move forward.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
I love that man, all right.
Well, we're going to put you onthe hot seat real quick before
we let you go for, before we getyou to play one and let let you
go for the night.
So this is kind of like what wejust did.
First thing that comes to mindis spit it out.
There'll be some rapid firequestions.
Try to put 60 seconds on theclock and we'll see if we get
through them all.
First CD or vinyl you everpurchased.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Hmm, tim O'Brien, all right, actually, hot Rise
Untold stories.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
All right, where's your happy place?
Have you got a blow off scene?
Where are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
My dog comes out.
Every letting my dog come outand to see me every morning I
got pulled up from the gym andhe runs out to jumps up in my
face.
I take my face off and I neverfeel better than that right
there.
Yes, i love that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Who has the best pizza you've ever had?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Oh geez, the best pizza.
I'll tell you the best.
I can't remember what ever had,but I definitely think there's
a place in town, right overthere off Houston or whatever,
called Dicies, which is myfavorite place right now.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
That's kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Detroit pizza Really awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
What's the wallpaper on your phone?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
My wife and our oldest puppy right there.
Look at that I love that.
I did have a far racier pictureof her in a swimsuit.
She'll be thanking God rightnow.
That that's what she is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
I feel that She'd be throwing something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
What's a?

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
movie that can always make you laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
I love that.
What was your first job?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I worked at MJ Designs.
That's where I actually met mywife.
I worked in the floralarrangement section of MJ
Designs, which at MJ, is like aspin off of Michaels or whatever
.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I'm like two brothers , what's the oldest thing you
own?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I have a 1946 LG2 guitar Gibson guitar.
I think it's the oldest thing Iown, probably.
This guitar here is 64.
That one's got to be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
We get a lot of guitars, but I love seeing how
far back they go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
That's one question.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
I love asking That's probably the oldest What chore
do you not like doing?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
She'd probably say any chores, but I'm trying to
learn to be better at the chores.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
That's my least favorite chore to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
There's so many to choose from.
I'll tell you what I don't likedoing.
She don't ever make me do it,but I don't love them.
I remember as a kid I hated Weused to dust the ceiling fans,
thank you.
When my wife's not into ceilingfans, i remember being so
exhausted.
One of the biggest fights mywife ever got into was we tried

(01:10:33):
to put in a ceiling fan with oneof those big light fixtures.
My arms feel like they'refalling apart.
I put up a ladder.
I don't like installation ofstuff.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
I agree, man, mine's always full of laundry.
But I agree, i know aboutceiling fan at all.
I don't know how to do that,let alone dust one.
What was your favoritechildhood television show to
watch?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Good times.
That was a little later, but myfavorite television show to
watch.
I don't know if it was achildren's TV show, but me and
my mom used to watch GeneralHospital from 2 o'clock to 3
o'clock.
All growing up we would sitthere and I watched.
I think I got most of my songideas from General Hospital.
They're just recreatedretreaded old plot lines.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
All story lines?
yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
I love that We showed pictures.
you got to play Bluebird acouple of times.
You got to do some really coolthings in your career, but
what's something that's still onyour bucket list A venue you
want to play, or an album thatyou want to release, or
something.
What's something you want to dobefore you call it a day?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I'd like to play this music that I'm under my name,
probably the Grand Ole Opry.
Would be pretty amazing.
I've done it with a band or twobut never gotten to play music
that I kind of like That wasstrictly, strictly oddly me.
I think that'd be pretty supercool.
I'm not very good at these kindof answers because I'm not a

(01:12:11):
much of a.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
I think Opry would be a hell of a bucket list man.
For sure That'd be a good one,especially, like you said,
playing your music, just havingthem introduce Brian Simpson and
bringing you out there onto thestage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
I love that dude.
Well, man, before we let you go, i know we went over tonight
but, like I said, the storieswere just phenomenal.
I'm like you know what.
we're just going to let thisthing run for a while tonight
because I was loving it, butcould we get you to play one for
us?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
For sure My wife will not be surprised that we went
over.
She's like he is so long winded.
She's probably like shut up.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
It's all good man, I love it.
Like I said, it was an amazingepisode tonight.
I was having a blast, Yeah man,it's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
It's a song from the new record that I'm about to put
out.
Truth is, i haven't got allthese songs built to memory yet,
so I'll put up a lyric here.
This is a.
This is a true story about.

(01:13:14):
I was at the BMI songwriterparty that they have once a year
and I saw Cabo Jack Clement,who wrote like a bunch of Johnny
Cash songs someone I used toknow and all these incredible
songs, and he was getting adrink at the bar and I wanted to

(01:13:35):
say hello to him, but I justcouldn't pull the trigger on it.
Like I said, my brother hadbeen there.
He'd have walked up andintroduced us, but I couldn't
pull the nerve out.
So I wrote a song about that afew years later or a lot of
years later actually, about howit would have went, possibly, if
I'd actually pulled the triggeron it.
It's called Get Lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I'm a little bit of a fan of the song, but I'm not a
fan of the song.
I'm a fan of the song, but I'mnot a fan of the song.
I'm a fan of the song, but I'mnot a fan of the song I'm a fan

(01:14:49):
of the song but.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
I'm not a fan of the song.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I'm a fan of the song , but I'm not a fan of the song.

(01:15:22):

(01:15:56):

(01:16:24):
I'll leave you with this Marchout of line, roll up the joints,

(01:16:53):
roll up your sleeves and rollthe dice and bend that head on
the shoulder, son.
Your mama didn't raise no dummyand life ain't nothing but a
game A game that did run me.
Be ready when the fire comesdown.
Leave your tape record and runit.

(01:17:15):
Make a little laugh, make alittle money.
When all is face, get lucky.
Make a little laugh.
Keep it good and funky.
When all is face, get lucky,get lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
Get lucky.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
Get, lucky Get lucky.
Get lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Get lucky.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Get lucky, get lucky, get lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Get lucky.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Get lucky, get lucky, get lucky, get lucky, get lucky

(01:20:53):
, get lucky, get lucky, getlucky, get lucky, get lucky.

(01:22:00):
Get lucky, get lucky.

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