120 Wylie McGraw | God Country Family - Men to Mastery Podcast

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Michael Bulloch (00:00):
Episode 120, God, Country, and Family

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starring bull rider, baseballpitcher, soldier, and patriot
Wiley McGraw.
Welcome back to the men tomastery podcast, the show where
I interview experts and highlevel performers from multiple
personal and professionaldomains to help improve
ourselves.
As you guys know, it's aconstant process and really a
never ending journey to thatend.

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Funny story.
I was recently called arrogantand shallow.
I really don't think I've everbeen called shallow before, but
arrogant.
Well, I like to think I'm one ofthe more humble people out
there, but I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Because, I admit, I definitelyhave a chip on my shoulder when
it comes to working on myself,when it comes to holding myself
to a higher standard.

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Everything is me versus me, andI am protective as hell of
myself, of my family, of mytime, of my energy, and about
the caliber of people I'mwilling to surround myself with.
And look, when I say family, Ialso mean those high quality,
high caliber friends who are asmuch family as anyone else.
If you're in that circle, youknow I am your biggest fan, and

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I will be your biggestcheerleader and supporter.
So this episode really is allabout exactly that.
The importance of that communitythat is so important in battle
proofing your life forperformance now and for taking
action to prepare for what maycome.
So I'd like you to listen tothis episode today.
With an ear to whether you areprepared or preparing, whether

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you're an asset or a liabilityand whether you're ready to
explore the uncomfortable totake action and to trust and
surrender yourself to theprocess.

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All right.
Hey, today it's my pleasure towelcome Wiley McGraw,
performance accelerator,professional or competitive bull
rider in his past, former starpitcher, three tour, maybe four
tour coming up, combat veteran,army, SF community all kinds of
stuff, but really interestingguy.
Wiley, welcome to the show.
Looking forward to talkingtoday.
Pleasure to have you.

Wylie McGraw (02:22):
Yeah, brother.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.

Yeah, man, it was, it's been a little time.
I apologize to you off air ofactually getting this thing
together.
It's one I've been lookingforward to for a while.
You got some just reallyinteresting past.
I love the work you do.
You know, you're the guy thatworks with pro athletes, CEOs,
entrepreneurs, all these sort ofhigh performers in life in maybe

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I'm gonna say this the wrongway, kind of getting them to the
next level.
And that's one of the firstthings I just want to dive right
in and ask you about looking atyour material.
One of the things you say.
is why high achievement is notenough and how to accelerate
into high performance.
What's the difference?

Well, first it's, I didn't just jump into the
realm of working with leadersand working with these
significant folks that have alot of influence and impact.
It naturally evolved from therebecause of getting to the basics
of who I am once I got out ofthe military.
So I just want to throw that outfor the audiences.
Like, you know, people hear thatand go, why does he only work
with leaders?
Why not just, you know, helpingeverybody as much as he possibly

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can.
And it's fine.
There are folks out there thatare built for that.
I discovered over the years ofdoing my work, not only on
myself, but then understandingmy, my own gift, if you will.
Yeah, I was made for at a higherlevel, higher intensity level
for these types of people thatcan handle.
What it is specifically theyneed to go to that next level
because we're all at a differentlevel of capacity So expecting

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the small business owner to beable to perform under the type
of tasks You would ask them todo or challenges you put them
through As the let's say thesuccessful ceo of a billion
dollar company is going to becompletely different Not
everybody can handle thosethings.
So that just, just to throw thatin there for you, Mike, but the
reality is I've discoveredthrough being military, being
out in sports was one world, butbeing the military specifically

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going to war, learning andunderstanding the difference
between achievement andperformance changed my outlook
on life itself.
It, it really helped meunderstand how we approach what
we do and who we are inrelationship, not only to
ourself, but to others, andthat's In the things that we set
out to accomplish.

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What I found is especiallyworking for 14 years with some
of these higher level people,some celebrities, some athletes,
whatever their job is, it reallyis irrelevant.
It's really just these highcapacity people who have
influence is that most of themhave gotten lost in the grind
of.
Getting things done to createthose byproducts, which are the

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money, the notoriety, the fame,and the growth.
But they have circumvented oroften sacrificed the other
element of their life to getthere.
They have let their performancein relationships, if you will,
and I use that word with quotes,Suffer inexplicably, sometimes
unnecessarily often.
What they've done is they havebasically said, well, I, I want

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to go get things done.
I'm going to achieve as much asI can, and then I'm going to
turn around and I'm going to buymy way out of the problems that
I'm sweeping out of the rug.
So when I started to see thiscontrast, working with these
people intimately behind thescenes, one on one, I live with
them.
I travel with them.
I'm with them upwards of a year.
I only work with two people,maybe three years, very
intimate.
I see the inner workings oftheir entire life, their, their

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family dynamics, their personaldynamics or health things.
They don't show the publicthings.
They don't even show their ownbusiness partners.
What's really interesting isthat they have been caught up in
the world of checking boxes,getting stuff done and achieving
things.
And their personal performance,which means you are in
relationship to yourself at anygiven moment.

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It changes on a day to day basisthat has been lacking.
So when you marry the two.
You realize getting things done.
Okay, great.
You can get things done We canall achieve if we drive hard
grind push through adversity andchallenge we can get stuff done
But performance itself highperformance Is your ability to

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stay at a state of optimization?
On a daily basis.
It doesn't mean You're going tonot have bad days.
It doesn't mean you're not goingto be angry and frustrated It
doesn't mean you're not going toyou know Be depressed and get
irritated about life It justmeans you have a new set point
you have developed through thestretching of that capacity By
understanding that achievementis not everything sometimes You

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are hurting yourself more tryingto make that next million
dollars then you realizesometimes Sacrificing that
business thing that's going on,that's taking you away from
family, from your faith, fromyour health, all of that is not
worth it in the long run.
That short term satisfaction isnot worth it.
So we hear it time and timeagain is the what do they call
it?
Instant gratification that we'reall used to.

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If you change your outlooktowards how you perform in life,
you will be focused more on whatkeeps you as a human being
optimal.
And then what you do thenbecomes optimized.
Rather than focus on optimizingyour achievement, just getting
things done and then trying toturn around and figure out how
to fix it later with the moneyyou've made, or maybe the, you
know, the followers that you'vebuilt on X or, you know, on, on

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your social media profile.
So that's the, that's the starkdifference in a long winded
version of it is.
Getting things done has nothingto do with who you are and how
you perform in your life.
How you perform in your life,however, does impact how you get
things done and how much youcreate.

I'm following you.
Yeah, I can.
I can relate to that.
I mean, I think that that overindexing on achievement, the
checking the boxes, thepromotion, the dollars in the
bank or whatever it is

right,

leads to that imbalance, whereas work on the
holistic performance yields theachievements and and a more a
broader list of achievements.
Right?
You can stay more balanced.
You can you can have therelational achievements.
You can have the.
Relational success, along withthe career success, along with
the family success, all that.

very possible.
Yeah.
And, and just throwing themilitary aspect of it, people
will say, what about, you know,guys in military that are in the
special operations community?
They're the highest performerspossible.
A hundred percent.
They are.
Acutely, you see, if yourealize, if you break it down,
when they come home, are theirlives, are their lives at that
level on a daily basis?
Do they have the health thatthey want?

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The balance of relationshipswith their partners?
Are they in a place where theirpeace is a true set point
internally?
Do they want, No matter whatthey're, no matter the chaos
they experience, most of themcan't objectively say yes.
However, it doesn't mean they'renot high performers.
They're just doing it acutely.
I would say if you can get to aplace where, like you said,
indexing yourself, going, youknow what, how much more could I

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get done that's more profoundlybeneficial to others if my life
is actually in a good place?

Yeah.

And if I put that as my standard, what happens
then when I turn around and Iexecute upon that?
That's the difference.

Yeah.
No, I, I personally find that.
And, and some of theseconversations kind of lead us
down the same path that gettingbetter at being yourself makes
you better at everything thatyou, you do or endeavor to do.
So a couple of things justleading down, you know, let's go
further down the kind of themilitary path.
That's one of the things I sawon your website, just poking
around.
It looks like you've got alittle teaser out there about a

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professional relationship youhad with a, I believe, an NFL
coach who was looking for somehelp on leadership.
Probably went looking kind ofthe standard you know, let me
bring in a veteran or an S.
F.
type of guy and teach meleadership.
And that wasn't working for himfor some reason.
I'm curious what wasn't working.
What what did work with you?
Transcripts

I meet all my clients through third party
referral.
Everything has always beenrelationship oriented.
So someone says, Hey, your life.
You've been doing somethingdifferent who you're working
with typically Here's the guyi'll bring him to the private
event the party the mastermindthe conference that's how I
typically met these people it'snever been through like a You
know, they find me on theinternet and they're gonna
google me and they're gonna hireme right over the phone So

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again, these people don'ttypically do that at all
whatsoever.
So The person that introduced uswas a he, she was in publicity,
but like public affairs forathletes and celebrities, and we
had known each other for a fewyears, just some stuff that we'd
ran across each other, you know,the work I do, and I think at a
conference, but she goes, Hey,I, I've got a friend of mine who

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he works at professionalfootball and he he's done stuff
with guys like David Goggins.
You know, and he loves, he lovesthe military.
He's a big military support.
He loves what you guys are allabout.
However, I told him, I kind ofgot a guy that goes beyond just
the military approach to, youknow, human development.
He said, look, I I'm stilllagging in somewhere in my life
because something's going onwith my, my performance at work.

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We're having a hard time.
I'm hard time motivating theguys.
Like if there's something funkymissing, there may be an energy
that's off, whatever it is.
She's like, well, I got a guyI'm happy to just make the
introduction.
So we ended up having aconference, a phone call and we
talked and then we got together,broke some bread.
And he's like, look, I'm willingto do whatever it takes to fix.
What I don't see is actually theproblem.
He goes, I've had all theseother, you know, military style

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type coaches that wake me up atfour in the morning.
They do all this routine stuff.
They, they get my mindset,right.
They get me to a place where Iwas like, I have that grit and
that drive.
However, there's somethingunderlying there that I'm not
seeing that these guys couldn't,couldn't hit.
I just feel like maybe, I don'tknow, something's about what,
you know, what we've beentalking about, what you're
saying, what you're about, howyou're, you sound different than
what they typically say to me.

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Yeah.
Let's let's do it.
I want to work with you.
Let's figure something out So Iended up actually spending I
think seven months with this guysix or seven months with this
guy in total and it's amazing iswhat we found is the
relationship personalrelationship dynamics He was
dealing with at home or havingan impact on his professional
performance at work But theblind spots in those dynamics

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those are usually the biggestculprits to why we suffer and
why we have issues when it comesto Things that are external of
ourselves.
However, what we do is we hirepeople Like those military
coaches to bring in strategiesand protocols from an outside in
approach we go Well, i'm a guywho I studied 20 years of how we
do it x and i'm going to bringin these solutions to you To

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problem solve your you knowsurface level issue So you're
not getting your guys to do xyzin your you know, when you're
training them Here's here's whatwe're going to do change that up
You are going to show updifferently this way.
You're going to exercise thisway You're going to be this way
and then you're going to expectthis way.
Okay, great Those are goodstrategies to put in place But
they do not address the deeperpersonal things that he might be

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carrying around or dealing with.
He's not actually faced head on.
So what I found was by showingup and spending five days with
him at his house for in thefirst initial part of a
relationship, so much erupted inthe relationships he was having
that I got to see the truthabout where he was actually
dealing with stress that wasleaking into his performance at
work.
Those are the things weattacked.
Those are the, it's like, I canget you up at 10 o'clock in the

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morning.
I don't have to get you up atfour.
To still go after and make thosethings right.
So that's what he, he neededsomebody to truly mimic or match
his personal life with hisprofessional life.
He needed to bring that to thesame, up to the same speed, if
you will, up to snuff.
And he wasn't getting that withall the other people he was
hiring.
He loved what he did, but thereality was like, I need someone
who can kick my, my ass, excusemy French in the right way.

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Who can see the ugly stuff thatI don't really want to look at
and put it in my face and makeme do something about it.
But also have someone that knowshow to be in the trenches to do
it alongside me.
Not tell me to do it and thenwalk away and come back to me
next week and say how'd it go.
It's like, hey, you're right bymy side as we're going through
it like a battle buddy in thetrenches.
Here's how we're fighting thatwar and killing that demon.

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And this is what you start tonaturally experience things
changing organically for you,because you feel different, you
show up differently.
And that's what changed his, hisapproach to his coaching, which
it really alleviated a lot ofissues with his team function.

That's really interesting.
A couple, a couple of thingsthat really, that really land
for me on, on that.
One is, you know, drawing acouple of parallels here between
top athletes, you know, this guywas a coach for top athletes,
right?
Pro athletes.
And maybe, you know, topperformers in the military both
are very physical realms, right?

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And we get, we get comfortablein the physical discomfort,
right?
And may, may shy away from thediscomfort of, of relational
work or other deeper personalwork or the, you know, the work
at home.
And, and the other thing justthinking even back to what you
said before about acute success.
a huge divorce rate with with S.

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F.
Certainly be, you know, anydeployed troops go through that,
you know, that that is astruggle or a challenge.
So, you know, you take somebodywho's maybe really, really good.
Let's say somebody who's really,really good at their
professional military career.
Trying to help somebody who'sreally, really good at their
professional sports career, butboth both may be really, really
bad at their personal lives.

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Right?
And it sounds like that was theblind spot for this particular
guy.

Big one.
It was a big one.
And, and the reality is he, henever, a lot of those guys,
again, and there's nothing wrongwith them.
And I want people to hear that,that.
I don't go out and haveconversations bashing any of
these people that are doing whatthey're doing.
There are, there are, theirefforts do create some results.
They create momentum for peopleand there are people that are
built to only take on what they,and that's good.
If that works for you, go getit.

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The reality is there are peopleout there going, I want more
than, again, the, the strategyof the mental and physical grit.
I want something that reallybecomes deeper and more intimate
and more holistic and veryunorthodox towards making me a
better version of myself.
So that the really, the realitywas he was missing that and he
was craving that he just didn'tknow it until he heard it.

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So that's, that's the thing is.
Hey, I'm hearing you say thingsI've never heard before and I
like it, I'm leaning, as much asit scares me, it makes me
realize you're going to dothings to me that I am unaware
of you're going to do to me.
I know that that's where thechallenges that are going to
make me better are.
That's where they lie.
And I, and that's why he jumpedin.
So I think that's what peopleare missing too, is we're so
hell bent on controlling thenarrative of how our coaches

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coach us, how we approachbusiness and any other thing
that we do with like the typesof things we want to do.
We find people hiring the yesmen because they don't like The
unknowns, human beings do notlike the unknown.
However, I heard a quote oncebefore.
I'm trying to remember his name,McGill.
I think it was his name is if wefear the unknown, surely within
we fear ourselves.
And we realize it's like whenyou can adapt yourself to the

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unknown, a lot of magic lies inthe ambiguity of life.
If you think about it, it'slike, he was also missing, you
know, he's Christian.
He was like, look, I, you know,I haven't been as faithful to my
faith as I usually am.
He's like, and, and you reallyhelped me get back to the roots
of that and realize, you know,what, there's a lot of this
matters.
Surrendering my need to be selfreliant totally on just, I've

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got it all figured out, allowedhim to open up more of his
capacity to see those blindspots and actually be able to
handle the challenges to, tobattle them and get through them
rather than avoiding them.
Typically what men do.

You said a lot there.

Yeah, I hope that was okay.

Yeah, no, it's great.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take youdown take you down a weird path
or thought I had on that.
So you mentioned faith, right?
And we were talking a little bitoffline about where we're at as
a country, where we're at as aworld culture and needing to get
back to some fundamentals some,some roots, some, some basics.

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Faith being a big, big part ofthat.
And one of the other things Iknow we're going to tee up here
is I want to talk to you aboutwhat may be next for, for you
and your next chapter possiblyback in, in the Army SF
community, but on the, on thefaith piece, right?
When you look at the state ofthe world today or I'll just,
I'll just say it, you know, frommy side and ask you what you

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think it's, it's hard for me toimagine that the things I see.
Are ultimately about only wealthand power.
Certainly there's, there's a lotof that.
That goes on, but, but it's, Imean, wealth and power are
finite and there are people thatalready have a near infinite
amount of it, right?
How much more do you really needif you're I don't know, Klaus

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Schwab or Zuckerberg or theRothschilds or whoever it may
be, right?

yep.

And so beyond that, why, why do we see so many
of the things we see?
I have a hard time talkingmyself out of anything other
than we're truly in a, in, in aspiritual battle for, for this
realm of good and evil,ultimately.

Yes, 100%.
You want my thoughts on

Thoughts.
Yeah, please.

Yeah, if you objectively look with an open
mind, like you just said, sopeople that step back a little
bit more, pull yourself awayfrom maybe your own personal
worldview and get away from thesubjective beliefs that you
might carry still in thismoment, which is fine because
we're supposed to be challengedto change our rate or stretch
our beliefs.
So if you can step back andobjectively look at your, at

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what's going on, You wouldactually kind of go, okay,
something funkier is going onhere.
Something more radical and moreintense and more otherworldly is
happening because the rise innow how everybody suddenly is
transgender.
Everybody is suddenly, you know,it's all about greed, money,
money, power, and wealth.
Everything seems to be justfalling apart at the seams with

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the, you know, the borderscrisis and politicians and the
wars and, It's like, it's almostlike biblical, if you will.
It's, it's really, really crazyto look at and say, well, this
is just what happens, you know,human beings just cause these
problems and, you know, we havebeen in this place before we've
never been in a position we'rein right now, ever in the
history ever of, of, of, ofsocieties or, you know,

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organized societies ever since,and I've heard it from even a
pastor is like, since, you know,the, the, the flood of Noah or
the time of Adam and Eve, it'slike, it's been so.
Radical what's going on andregardless of what people
believe i've had friends that iknow that aren't really big
believers like you Know what?
I think I maybe need to considerit because this is definitely
not What we can just chalk up tobeing normal mental health

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issues or normal dysfunction ofsociety where people are just
differences of opinions.
It's literally trying to makemen women women That's just like
it doesn't work So there is amassive spiritual war going on
and I think that the problem ispeople have a hard time human
beings truly You This is why Ithink a lot of people reject
Christ.
They reject God.
The idea of it, all of it isbecause they don't want to be

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obedient to something biggerthan themselves.
They have a hard time withfollowing what they deem to be
restrictive rules, so they don'texplore what any of that
actually means.
They don't get into therelationship aspect of God and
go, you know what?
Let me learn what he's trying toteach me what i've been what i'm
missing here Everybody justwants to be the the manifester

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of their own reality to dowhatever they want.
However, they want to do it Thatis where the evil comes in and
starts to influence people andget them to do things they're
unaware they're beinginfluenced.
So that's what I would say.
Those are my thoughts on it.
People don't realize how badlythey're being influenced by
things that know.
Okay, you like porn.
You like drugs.

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You like the alcohol.
You like the gambling.
You like the money.
That's good.
Stay there.
And then if somebody challengesyou, tell them these are my
rights.
I can do whatever I want.
Who are you to judge?
Yeah.
And then I like the people thatdon't believe turn around and go
and try to quote scripture andtell us, you know, your
judgment, you know, who are youto judge Jesus wouldn't do this.
And it's like, okay, but youdon't even believe in Jesus.
So at the end of the day, whatare we doing here?

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But I've had atheists, I've hadnonbelievers literally tell me
like, I think I need to startgoing to church.
Something's not right here.
And in reality is we are, we aregoing through a massive eruption
on a spiritual level and it'sgoing to get worse.
And I think people are going tobe woken up rudely.
But I don't think a lot of themare gonna be prepared for it.
And that's, that's why it'slike, we have to get people
prepared for it.
We've got to get leaders, men,people out in the world to, to,

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to be pillars for communities sothey can bring people back to
choose a side.
Because at this point it is awar.
You're either with the good,good guys, or you're with the
bad guys.
There is no neutral.
There's no being in the middleof the ground and thinking if
you're not with the good, youare with the bad.
And that, those are my thoughtson that.

Awesome.
Yeah, let's, let's get into someof this idea of, of coming
crisis potentially, maybeprobably, and some preparation,
things like that.
But a couple, just wrap upthoughts on, on that topic, you
know, you, you've got a podcast,right?
Wise words and whiskey.
I love, I love the name.
You know, I, I certainly enjoy abourbon from, from time to time.

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But I was, I was talking to abuddy over the summer in
Colorado, and, and I just saidat, at the time, I was doing
another round of 75 hard, so,you know, zero alcohol amongst
other things for 75 days.
And I, and I go, dude, I'm not,it's not to judge it, right?
But I, I think it's interestingto question things, right?
Challenge ourselves, challengeour beliefs, challenge our, our

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construct.
And, you know, I would, I wouldchallenge myself and I
challenged him to think aboutwhat good.
What does the alcohol industrydo for you for us?
Little, probably zero, right?
And, and, and I mean, the, thedown, the downfalls are obvious,
but, you know, is theresomething deeper there is, is

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that amongst all the otherthings you mentioned, and, and
Internet and social media andTV, all these things keeping us
kind of idling in a place whereour focus needs to be somewhere
else.
What, what things actually moveus forward?
And certainly that's not

Ooh, these are great questions.
These are great thoughts,questions, etc, because there's
so much to unpack with it.
Number one I love it.
It does.
These industries are, I, peoplecan argue all day long.
Oh, you know, it's all about howyou approach them.
Absolutely.
So you and I can sit down andhave a glass of bourbon
guarantee.
I'm going to pour maybe onefinger and I'm going to sip it

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with you and I'm going to bedone.
And I've been the next time I'mgoing to have a glass of
whiskey, maybe two, three monthslater.
And I don't drink that much atall.
And it's, I spent eight yearsnot drinking So those industries
specifically are designed todistract us.
They're designed there.
There is evil behind it isdesigned to, like you say, keep
us idle, keep us not focused onwhat really matters and keep us

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in a state of altered reality.
The problem is you can utilizethese things.
If you, the person going back toour initial part of the
conversation is your personalperformance is in a good place.
If you are.
At a good set point where youhave literally worked through
whatever addictive qualities youmight possess, whatever mental
weaknesses you have, whateveremotional instability that might

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be there.
You've gone to a place where youhave an evolved state of being.
You might be able to sit downwith you and I and have a little
sip of whiskey and not let thatbecome, let's have another one
and another one and another one.
And then you drink.
As a catholic is is, you know,what we talked about is past the
point of hilarity.
That's being drunk That is youslipping into the realm where
now you are giving access to thedemonic because you are no

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longer coherently in yourselfcompletely protected so That
point of hilarity is like mostpeople don't like that.
They like the feel feeling good,you know It's like it makes me
feel good.
I like it.
What's wrong with that?
If it makes you feel good, youshould be able to do it and And
that is exactly what thoseindustries want you to feel.
They want you to rely onemotion.
They want you to rely on thingsthat are comfortable.

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They give you that sense ofpeace temporarily on the inside.
But the reality is how manypeople get drunk on a daily
basis, wake up the next daygoing off.
I'm so at peace today.
I feel so good.
My life is.
My life improved because of thatbinger I went on last night,
right?
How many people can truly sitthere and say that i'm peaceful
happy fulfilled and truly at aplace of like Knowing life is

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good without god How many peoplecan truly objectively I
guarantee most people i've metpeople i've worked with none of
them are happy None of them theymight pretend in their head.
They are happy, you know, lookat me I got the things but the
reality is They go to bed atnight fried.
They're miserable.
They're in pain.
They suffer and then theysuppress it and suck it up and
they utilize those industries.

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Kind of quell that the problemSo I challenge the notion that
there's nothing wrong with thesethings, you know, because they
make you feel good I challengepeople to challenge themselves
to fast more allow themselves towhat we call it we call it die
to the self, but the reality isit's almost How about

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sacrificing?
That thing for now like you did75 days How about you take take
a chance take a week off fromeverything that you do on a
daily basis Don't take creatine.
Don't take drink caffeine.
Don't drink alcohol.
Take a week be willing to movethrough the urges to Satiate
that feeling and I that that'sthe key that you can start there

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You can build upon that that initself will strip away so much
Of your own dysfunction or blindspots you're unaware of That's
what I do with clients.
It's like, we're gonna sacra,we're gonna strip you away from
everything, and I'm gonna bewith you while you go through
the pains of it.
But the reality is, it's amazinghow you cleanse yourself that
way and you start to become moreclar clear excuse me, speaking

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two words together.
Clear the clarity andclarification that you get
become more profound for you.
So you're able to startobjectively seeing things that
people are saying to you in adifferent way.
You start to interpret stuffthat in a way you never thought
was possible.
And then you start to openyourself up and your beliefs
change and you go, you knowwhat?
Wow, that actually was hurtingme more than I thought it was I
had a celebrity client, a galthat she was on a binge or a

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binge of like psychedelics, man.
And I'm going to tell you, it'slike, you want to talk to avoid

right.

of being in the spotlight.
She had nobody that ever helpedhold her into that space to work
through those problems.
And I, it's amazing.
Had dinner with her one nightand the disheveled version of
her in front of me.
And she's like, you're right.
I let her do it.
I said, she kept fighting.
He goes, I don't, Fine.
That's my work with you is I'mgoing to fight you.
I'm going to battle you andfight you period all the way
through it.

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I let her have it.
I just said, just stay in touch.
She did it for a few weeks,called me and goes, can we, can
we meet and have dinner?
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta tellyou what's going on.
And then she said, look, you'reright.
You were right.
A hundred percent.
She goes, this is damaging memore than it's helping me break
through my problems.
I keep having bad experiencesbecause I have not done enough
work on myself to even manage myproblems.

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smoking a little pot or managedrinking a little bit of alcohol
or manage myself inpsychedelics.
So this is the problem thatpeople have, man, is we're not
doing the right work and gettingto the roots of who we are.
We're not connecting tosomething greater than ourselves
like God outside of ourselves tohelp with that peace and that
protection we need.
We're heavily relying on theself and we're also idolizing

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other people as our gods andgoing, let me follow that
person.
Nobody's really finding peaceand happiness.
You can have all the money inthe world, you can have all the
success in the world.
But dude, what's it worth?
If you yourself are miserable athome and you, you don't have the
peace you really long for, andit's only possible if you're
willing to surrender and go, Ineed something greater than me.
And that's the piece that that'smissing.
Yeah.

I, I'll share a, a, something I heard from a
Canadian buddy back to somethingyou mentioned on alcohol
specifically.
He he, I don't think he drinksanymore, but at the time he
said, you know, I, I'll, I'lloccasionally have a hard
kombucha or, or a beer or awine, but he said, I can't drink
hard alcohol.
I, he goes, I, I, my experiencewith it.

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Is I become a different personand not a better person, right?
And he said, I think there's areason they call it spirits.
I really feel like it opens thedoor for something to take hold
of you.
That's really not you, right?
Not a good spirit by any means.

demons.
Are spirits too?
He's like, what do you meanspirits?
You know, people say, I'mspiritual you.
Well, demons are spirits too.
Which one are you talking about?

Right.
Which one do you want?

They exist to simultaneously.
It's not like you're justtapping into one side of things
and avoiding the other.
But yeah, it's, that is a goodpoint.
I did it with gluten.
I was gluten sensitive because Iate too much of it growing up.
So my wife was like, you'reallergic to it.
I can see it.
And I said, what do you mean?
She's like, just try this.
I said, okay, I'm open.
I try it.
I'm just an open guy.
I will try it and give it a go.

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And I'm happy to do it.
I took two weeks off of allgrains, all gluten, all of it.
And when I ate a piece of breadthat had gluten in two weeks
later, my nose started snottingup.
I started to get itchy.
So it was a perfect test tothat.
You just talked about with yourfriend.
He stopped, he started to touchit and he was like, look at it.
I can see the truth of how it'saffecting me, how that will

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affect my performance, how thatwill affect my ability to get
things done, how it will affectmy relationships, how it will
parlay into so much of ourlives.
But people are so distracted andthey're so sucked into it.
They don't have anybody thatpulls them out of it the right
way.
They are lost.
It's almost the blindly in theblind.
Last thought for you and then wecan keep rocking and rolling.
But you know, there is a, asI've been learning, there is for

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the pharmaceutical industry,there is a demon called Pharmaca
and literally its name is whatI've been learning about.
Like you watch a bunch ofexorcists that are putting out
these videos on YouTube.
They'll talk about these thingsand it's kind of makes you kind
of, you think about it, you go,wait a minute, pharmaceuticals,
what are we doing to each other?
What do we, there's somethingevil there going on.

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I mean, I had surgery on mywrist that you and I talking
about, I didn't take anyopioids.
I just did a nerve block, hadhim cut me open, take the plates
out, no pain medicineafterwards.
Knowing your body and knowinghow to manage and handle pain,
utilizing faith, your mind, yourmeditations, your prayers are
more relieving for pain thantaking a drug because it keeps
me in a good state and not in analtered state.

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I'm not willing to do that tomyself because My standards
matter.
So I think if people hear thatand go, wow, okay, I couldn't do
that.
Well, maybe you can.
You just never been pushed andfaced and put in a position to
challenge yourself to do it.
And you and I are talking aboutdo it.
Give yourself a little try.
You'd be surprised what mightchange with you.

Yeah, I'll take you down another brief rabbit
hole for a moment.
And it's in the same spirit of,of industry and addiction.
And we don't know what we don'tknow.
So I'm on the gluten thing,right?
My, my wife is, I believe verygluten sensitive.
She, she has a bad sort of gutand bloating and just overall
feeling reaction to things likepasta and a lot of breads.

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And I just, I just don't eat alot of it either because I, I, I
don't have the same feeling, butI have a similar, you know, not
so positive feeling with a lotof processed carbs and, and kind
of breads and pastasspecifically.
So we were just in Europe thispast summer and my wife was, was
just like laughing at me everysingle day because every

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morning.
I was eating sour, freshsourdough bread.
Like it was going out of style.
We were in Denmark.
I was literally eating the, theDanish right.
And like everything I can get myhands on and I felt great.
I enjoyed it.
I came back five pounds lighterprobably because we walked a
lot, but, but also, right.
So I was like, what's going onthere.
I wanted to challenge that alittle bit.

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And I started looking into.
Italian pasta, they use prettymuch just flour and water and
it's organic wheat flour grownlocally, right?
And that's it.
And then if you go look atwhat's in pretty much any pasta
here, it's most, for the mostpart, not organic.
So you don't know what otherchemicals and crap is in there.

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And then there's a whole bunchof other stuff in the flower,
right?
We've got this enriched flowerwith niacin and all these other
things.
I think part of it was aboutbirth defects.
We believed folic acid orfolate, whatever's in there.
Right.
Well, I'm not going to have ababy, although apparently some
men now believe they can, right?
Like, and my wife's not havingany more kids.

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Like, why do we need to eat thiscrap?
If that's, if that was thepurpose, why do I need it?
And so it was unbelievably hard.
I was about to go import a bunchof pasta from Italy, right?
Like I just literally can't evenfind this non enriched flour
here.
And then.
I was actually walking out ofSprouts Market a couple weeks
ago, and they just had their,their end cap display there by

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the register.
I picked up the Sprouts pasta,and it's actually imported from
Italy.
They've got an organic version,and it's just whatever the wheat
is from Italy and water.
Boom.
I brought it home.
We tried it and my wife's like,I, I feel great.
No problems at all.
So like even just diving intolittle things like that and
challenging, does it have to bethe way that it is?

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Well, maybe not.

No, I that's a great I think it's a great
anecdote as well.
You had your own personalexperience with but it also does
have its Broad efficacy if youwill across the board now, I
hear people say we've beeneating bread for thousands of
years It's like yeah, but lookhow we're producing the bread.
Look how we're producing thewheat The gluten molecule is a
binding protein.
It's that's what makes wheatsticky.

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It's a it's a big protein Andwhat's interesting is even the
distillation process talk aboutwhiskey The gluten molecule
can't pass through certain partsof the distillation process.
So technically i'm not going tosay this because i'm not an
expert but Most spirits aren'teven are can technically be seen
low gluten if you will.
So what's interesting is Myfriend, I have a friend of mine
is celiac disease.

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He can go, he's from, hisfamily's from Italy.
He can fly to Italy to go wherehis parents are from, go eat the
pasta, has zero, literally.
Celiac's gonna kill you if youeat it.
Goes over and eats their pasta,doesn't have any problems.
And it shows you the contrast ofwhat we are doing over here to
our food.
At the expense of our healthbecause there's a there's an

(35:26):
evil sinister thing going onhere The food industry wants you
sick.
You rely on pharmaceuticals.
You're in the medical industry.
It's a business.
It's a 100 of business thatBinding protein our bodies have
a hard time digesting because ofhow it's aggro grown The wheat
stock itself used to be thickerin italy If you probably notice

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it's their wheat's thicker overthere And there's a reason why
it's because it's not aggrofarmed our aggro farm wheat over
here You thinner, which thencauses the plant to produce more
gluten to protect itself.
It's kind of like cannabis doesthe same thing.
The, everybody talks about allthe THC that kind of buds onto
the flowers.
And again, I'm not, I don'tsmoke and I'm not condoning it.
I'm saying go do it, but it hasthat stuff.

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And that's the plant protectingitself from sunlight.
It's designed also protectitself from pests and things
like that It's the byproduct ofits own reaction its own
performance if you will tonature so It's crazy how you can
take that wheat you and I aretalking about and you can
literally parlay that into allaspects of life Because it's all
interconnected.

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How are you?
Allowing yourself to experienceThe different elements you bring
into your life from your foodsto the supplements to the way
you work out to your health Youryour regimen to your
relationships your mindset yourhow you read how you study all
of it can Go back and be testedand challenged and stretched and
changed you got to realize thatJust because it's there doesn't

(36:51):
necessarily mean it's good justbecause you have a right to do
something It doesn't mean youshould do it either.
It doesn't mean it's The doctortells you X, go get a second
opinion.
It's why not?
What matters to you more?

I would argue that there's, there's so much of
what we've been told and soldthat is.
Somewhere on the spectrum fromwrong to plain nefarious, right?
That it's, it's worthchallenging almost everything.

You should, you should ask questions.
I mean, you should just keepasking and ask as many questions
as you need to.
And if someone gets upset atyou, so what, you know what doc,
I don't care.
I'm paying you a lot of money.
I'm going to ask you questions.
And I'm going to get everythingI can.
And you know what happens is.
Here's what I want.
I would love your audience tohear too for business and life
in general is Just pushing alittle bit more and asking that

(37:43):
extra question.
You'll finally get the truth Ithink we end up like you said
the norm is we're taught To onlygo so far and to then retract
people will have where heybrother.
Do you want to do x no, okayI'm, just give that's a weak
example, but why not go?
Hey, hey, brother Why let's talkabout what's coming up for you.
Why what why do you reject thatidea?

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Why do you want to?
You know what?
Okay, here's the truth and theymight end up giving you the real
reason doctors will do that.
Your friends will do that.
Your family will do thatSometimes it just it's like, you
know What let me sit with this alittle bit longer and let me
push just a little furtherbecause maybe i'm not getting
all Of the information I shouldbe getting right now And if I
allow myself to push throughthat adversity that no or that

(38:26):
rejection I might finally get atleast a little bit of
information I've been wanting orneeding that will then inform me
further on what actions to takenext.
And I think that's where peoplecan also challenge themselves is
stop just taking the initialreaction of someone as the end
all be all to the situation orconversation.
Push it.
You'll find whether or not youshould continue to push it, but

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you'll start to intuitivelyknow, okay, here's where I back
off or here's where, no, I'm notgoing to back off.
I'm going to come after you alittle bit more because we need
to, there's a reason why we'redoing this, you know?

Well, there's, let's, let's challenge another,
another one of these sort ofglobal, global businesses, if
you will.
And, and holding that there maybe multiple things true at any
given time, right?
So we're talking about maybethere's, maybe probably
definitely we're in a spiritualbattle for this world.
For example, you probably sawthe article.

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I think it was in Iowa, like inthe state Capitol.
They had a, they had like a, ademon display or a

Yeah.
Satanic.

Satanic.
Yeah.
And some guy, some guy tore itdown.
You know, maybe that.

head

guy's being charged with some, some kind of,
it's, it's crazy.
So at the same time thatperhaps, you know, is this a, is
this a man made battle or is ita spiritual battle?
It can certainly be both, right?
I acknowledge that there arethose who will probably take
advantage.
Or may have created some of thissituation, you know, the whole
sort of fifth dimensionalwarfare, you know, how much

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disinformation or culture,cultural erosion are we getting
from let's say China or Russiaor, or some other party.
So for example, an army, armybutter buddy, army buddy of mine
was, we were talking one dayrecently at kids' soccer, and he
says, you know, I'm readingsome, some history and some
stuff from, from militarystrategists.

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They just talk about how uniquethe U.
S.
is as this North Americancontinent so far from that
superpower in Asia and thenEurope and Russia that it's
practically impossible to dolike a Red Dawn style invasion
on the U.
S.
And I said, I, you know, Idisagree.
I, I get the concept, but Ithink we're, we're, we're

(40:35):
already, it's already happened.
Like we're already living redDawn.
And it's not people parachutingin.
It is actually people literallycrossing the border right now.
A lot of bad people, along witha lot of good people seeing a
better life.
But it's, it's streaming inthrough the internet, right?
It's streaming in througheverything we see and hear.
And so where I'm going with thatbeyond, you know, are we being

(40:56):
attacked by, by other humans, byother military power and, or the
spiritual battle you mentionedoff off air that you're
considering going back into,into the special forces
community.
And I I'd really love to hear alittle bit more about that.
I feel like it's.
Just from my view of what ishappening.
So as a civilian, having notserved, but grew up with a dad

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who was a Vietnam vet armycaptain looking at the state,

his service.
Yeah.

appreciate that looking at the state of our
country, our culture, what Iread about the military culture
and leadership, and then whatthe mission for our soldiers
abroad or domestically might,might be what's drawing you back
to that.

I'll touch on briefly to start the answer for
this is talk about a spiritualwake up for me.
I'm, you know, I'm in my midforties, so it's not like I woke
up one day.
It was like, you know what?
I'm a veteran, so I want to beclear to you.
Just, you know, it's like I wasin the combat arms.
I was the light infantry withthe 187 infantry out of the
101st Airborne Division.
So.
I didn't, I wasn't a Greenbergthat, but yet that is where I,

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I'm being asked to go serve.
So just want to make sure that'sclear clarify, given my, it's my
community.
I'm going to, you know,everything that does matter in
the community as well,especially the clarity of what
we did, but nevertheless, Iwasn't in combat.
It was engaged in combat.
Did three tours overseas.
So post 9 11, obviously GWAT,the whole nine yards.
I woke up and I told my wife andI said, you know what?

(42:23):
I had this intense life alteringdream.
I can't explain what it was.
It's almost like God was showingme something in my dream.
And I told her, I said, I wentand I prayed on it.
I said, she goes, do you thinkmaybe this is just the nostalgia
of missing the military?
You know, you've been talking toa lot of military guys lately.
You've been on podcasts with alot of military guys.
You know, Andy's stuff, etcetera.
And I was like, you know what, Imissed the military.
We all miss the military.

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Nobody's ever going to tell you,I don't miss it.
You know, it's, it's just partof who we are.
I miss doing those really highspeed things.
I miss, you know, doing theoperations we did.
I said, no, something is not,you know, something's here.
Let's explore this.
So months go by.
I keep having these dreams whereI'm basically.
I'm back in a small unit workingin a special operations

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community.
And I'm, I'm, I'm just doing allof this different, very clear
stuff that is related to theconversations.
I had been having with somecolonels and some people I know
that are still in buddies ofmine, they're in group guys of
mine that are seals, things likethat.
I'm going, you know what?
Given the fact that our militaryis eroded from the inside out,
given the fact that we do have,People focus more on DEI and not

(43:26):
on war fighting.
We have woke ideologiesregardless of people's beliefs,
but that's what's happening.
We have this dysfunction that isliterally infiltrated through
the military in this morecommunistic approach that is
eroding leadership from the topdown.
And it's causing us to look likethis very weak, frail entity.
We are no longer respected asthis once mighty military as
short as 20 years ago.

(43:48):
I spent about four or fivemonths kind of having these
dreams and I was like somethingsomething in my heart is telling
me I need to consider servingagain because we need to bring
back that military grit andmight back to the warfighter.
We need to inspire Americans tostill instill trust in the

(44:09):
military and knowing that weneed one if we want to maintain
The liberties in the lifestylesin the ways in which we
appreciate and want and value inour in our culture here in
america We are being challengedand we are being basically
fought from the inside out We'rewe're kind of destroying
ourselves and we are watching aveteran community.
I god bless them I love them todeath all of them But I have

(44:31):
been watching so many of them onsocial media all these big name
people that you that everybodyfollows Legacy military guys
going, no, I will not promotethe military.
No, you need to avoid militaryservice.
No, stay away from it.
It's just a globalist agenda.
No, it's, it's all aboutpolitics.
It's all about money.
And I go, yeah, I get that.
You and I talk about it off, offscreen here.

(44:51):
It was the military industrialcomplex has been there for the
politicians and the greed andthe war, you know, the
warmongers.
It's never, ever not been there.
It has always been a part of whowe are.
We have just been.
Less exposed to it over thegenerations until now.
Now that aspect that, that, thatmonster is reared his head.

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He's in the front, but it doesnot negate the patriotic duty to
protect and defend freedom forfuture generations.
My grandfathers did in world wartwo, my uncles did in Vietnam
and Korea.
My stepfather did desert storm.
Me and my brother served theGWAT.
So it's like, who's next?
If we don't find a way,challenge, you know, using that

(45:37):
word a lot in this conversationand battle it from the inside
and rebuild it and get it backto a place of respect, honor,
integrity, and discipline andwarfighter capabilities.
We're not going to make anotherconflict.
We're not going to make it.
We're going to watch another.
We're going to be another Rome,if you will.
And I don't want to be radicalabout that, you know, sound a
little bit too hyperbole if, ifsense, but, The truth is the

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reason why I feel like I'm beingdrawn to it is there are a lot
of guys that There's a faith ismissing in the in the ranks
There are a lot of people thatare are there they're in there
for the wrong reasons Theseyounger generations are doing it
for maybe the idea of gettingsome, you know, some benefits.
Some you know They're immigrantsare doing to get their green
cards and their status haschanged and again There's
nothing wrong if you need youhave those motivations Nobody's

(46:23):
in it like what we were in itfor and I would challenge all
those veterans out there Thatare saying do not join the
military go.
Why not?
Politicians are going to alwaysbe greedy.
We're always going to fight warspartly for them and what they're
doing, but why not?
Do you expect the United Statesto do what?
Sustain a low dysfunctionalbroken military and still be the

(46:48):
superpower and be the beacon ofhope and, and, and faith and
freedom for the rest of theworld.
If we don't have people willing.
Worth their assault willing tostep up and get into the fight I
think the problem is we're toocaught up in the the the the
corruption of again biden theborder ukraine Israel now etc.
We're too caught up in the moneytoo caught up in the politics

(47:10):
We're too caught up in one sideof it We've lost our sight on
what it means to be Americans.
What it means to actuallysacrifice and actually serve
selflessly for others.
We're very selfish.
We're very broken as a, as asociety.
And I think a lot of veteransare just very soured because of
how poorly they've been takencare of post combat.

(47:30):
You know, I got buddies and Ihave 11 to 15 combat tours.
I've only got three and it'slike that three is enough.
You know, I've seen a lot,enough death and destruction.
That's plenty.
But.
So I would say this to kind ofcap it here.
I'm feeling more divinely drawnto do it.
It doesn't mean I'm like not,you know, realizing what I'm
going to be stepping back into.

(47:51):
Okay.
I understand what I'm gettingmyself into.
However, that's why therecruiter and I are working
together.
The VA is fixing me up.
They're going to get me aspecial operations contract.
The guys I know in our group arelike, Hey, we can use more guys
at your age back in here.
Now we need to challenge theleadership from the inside.
And here's the last thing.
It gives me an opportunity andaccess to people at a higher
level where I could then bringmy experience and expertise from

(48:13):
what I've been doing withleaders in my business to the
table.
And I can start challengingpolicy and I can start
challenging how we show up as aunit, how we show up as a
military, because the specialoperations community, they're
going to be the ones that aregoing to carry the heavy load of
the big army until the big armygets fixed.
So guess what?
They're going to be relying onthe leadership of special
operations.
So what do we do?

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We get people in the position toinfluence change in a way that
challenges the DEI and thefeelings and the pronouns and
get people back to what mattersin the military is American
sovereignty freedom, liberties,our ability to sustain our way
of life and security.
If we don't have that, andeverybody's more worried about
their pronouns and what, whatgender they are, then the truth

(48:54):
is.
People are gonna take advantageof that.
And that's, what's happeningright now from the border to
across the seas.
And I don't know, I just lost, Idon't know.
I can talk on and on about this.
I just think it's sad to hear myfellow veterans telling people
don't do it at all.
It's like, come on guys.
Who who's going to do it?
If, if not us, I mean, at theend of the day, you, you talk a
big game about if not me, thenwho, who's Well, if not me, then
who truly you, you expect thisyounger generation to do what we

(49:17):
did in the last, one of thethings, I'm sorry.
I'm just kind of rambling onhere a little bit, but given my
contacts and who I know inpolitics, there are murmurs of
conscription, lingeringconscription means a limited
draft.
So we go to war with Iran, youknow, which looks like we might
North Korea, one of those biggernations that has a military and

(49:42):
they don't have the numbers theyneed.
Guess what they're going to do.
They don't care what you feel.
They're going to start pluckingpeople.
And the veteran community, ifyou're not broken and disabled,
we're, we're exposed to the ageof 60.
They're going to start callingpeople back that they need.
We can't get these youngergenerations because they're all
on TikTok and on drugs.
So who are we going to go after?
Well, we got to lay, let's goget the 45 year old combat

(50:03):
veterans got experience.
And call him and tell him weneed him and get, and that's, to
me, it's like, I'd rather avoida conscription and go volunteer
for it.
So that's kind of the mix of whyI might be doing it as well.
I think God's drawn me to dosomething different.
Even if I don't go, I'mpreparing myself and having
these challenging conversationswith people about it and say,
look, step up or shut up becauseat the end of the day, you can
talk all you want on socialmedia, but if you're not about

(50:23):
it, then don't talk about it.
It's as simple as that.

Yeah, I'd say, you know, absolutely kudos on
following the calling thatyou're getting and being willing
to step into that void, right?
And rather than stepping out orstaying out and criticizing,
being willing to step back inand change from, from within and
potentially, you know, doing,doing the job in lieu of, you
know, that 18 or 20 or 22 yearold kid, or, or maybe the 20

(50:50):
year old kid that physically istoo soft and mentally too soft
to do at this point.
So, you know, I applaud allthat.
Let me, let me use the challengeword again.
Let me, let me ask.
I'm going to make up a scenariohere.
That's, that's not all that faroff.
And I get it right.
The high speed mission, thebrotherhood.
In terms of mission and like youget your marching orders and off

(51:12):
you go, but, but you're athinking man.
And so let, let's say the, themission is boots on the ground
war in, in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian president is aclown.
You know, it's ridiculous thatwe got more money going to
Ukraine than fixing problemshere.
You know, is Putin a good guy?
I don't think so.
But.

(51:33):
You know, the EU is talkingabout censoring, censuring and
putting travel restrictions onTucker For going over to
interview Putin right now We'renot even willing to hear another
side of of the story What'sreally going on or has gone on
in ukraine since we helpedchange the government in 2014
More than just biden's moneylaundering you know american bio

(51:55):
labs who knows what what's underthe covers there, right, but
it's hard to And by the way, wepoked a bear right?
We kept poking the bear onpushing nato East when we said
we wouldn't like it's notcompletely clear that we're not
One of the bad guys in thisthing and and it's it's hard for
me to To really get my headaround ukraine being a place.

(52:18):
We should send people right?
So if you you know, you'reenlist and off you go like put
that back in the in the contextof the Global industrial
military machine and creatingconflict and division for power
wealth money, you know thatwhole thing Do you not feel like
you're just Just a cog in thatmachine.
Silence.

my wife and are talking about it's like look Our
life is going to change.
I i've been an entrepreneurdoing my own thing essentially
for for a decade and a halfOkay, it's a big sacrifice to
make, you know, obviously it's ahuge pay cut.
So we laugh about that all thetime But we did okay for
ourselves.
We're in a good place, right?
So we it's not it's not a badthing to have where but it's
it's a serious sacrifice Andthere's a lot of those elements

(53:12):
that are on the table that wetalk about, you know Hey, you
know What do you consider what'sgoing on?
I mean, how are you going tofeel going back into that world?
That's different from 20 yearsago where you're going to be
dealing with a completelydifferent power structure And
how you're operating if you willI think truly Is getting into
the special operations communitythough is a different mission
set than the conventionalmilitary.

(53:33):
So That might be a differentworld that i'm going to partake
in even though I didn't do itthe first time around I did
operate with guys that were inthat realm.
My middle brother was specialoperations himself So I I had an
inside scoop given my experienceon a job I did on what the
mission sets were and how weperformed in Afghanistan and
Iraq.
Even then, if you think aboutit, there was a lot going on

(53:53):
there outside of the patrioticmachine that we were after
September 11.
There was a lot of unseen andunknown things, man.
Is a three dimensional chessgame constantly being played.
And it's like Vladimir Putin,you know, for every move he
makes, there's two or threeother moves, you don't even see
that he's got in his sleeve.
So the reality is we never knowwhen none of us can sit here and
sure fire go 100%, here's howit's going to go.

(54:14):
And this is why it's going tohappen.
And here's, who's going to doit.
The reality is I'm looking at, Ilove my country.
I love my family and I lovepeople that support and want
this country to thrive.
I serve for that.
I serve for God, country, andfamily, period.
End of story.
Constitution, my duty to that,the oath doesn't expire.

(54:34):
And if I reenlist and raise myhand again, I'm just only going
to amplify it.
That is the focus.
I think getting in there andbeing in a position from the
inside and getting more peopleto rally around the idea of
like, you know what, I'm not theonly veterans doing it, by the
way.
There are other veterans thatare rejoining.
I've, I've seen some other vetsare in their forties who joined
the military of, you know,they're not making headline
news, that's why we don't hearabout it.

(54:55):
But they are 42-year-old, justgraduated from the, our SFQ
course.
They had a 46-year-old graduatefrom it.
They had a 51-year-old guygraduate from infantry bootcamp.
So we got a lot of older guysgoing, you know what f it, I'm
getting back in because.
We need people.
We need warriors.
We need men to step up and getinto the fight and be willing to
push back, you know, like theSpartans did with the Persians,

(55:16):
you need to be able to push backfrom the inside as long as you
possibly can, and at leastcombat that erosion so that we
can get somewhat of our trainback on a track.
And I think Ukraine is a perfectexample with it is, I mean, the
monitoring, I know thispersonally, it's like, we're
sending them billions of dollarsso they can buy our weapons.

(55:37):
Guess who gets kickbacks fromthose weapon sales from
companies like Raytheon andNorthrop Grumman and all that is
the politicians who set up thosedeals So at the end of the day
it is technically a moneylaundering aspect of things Even
though they are going to saywell, we're bringing money back
into the u.
s Economy, not not really you'rebringing it back into private
entities They're not thesemilitary contractors are taking
the money.
We're not getting any of that Soit's always going to be an

(56:00):
element of combat war is alwaysgoing to be business It's always
going to be for those specificreasons those machines I'm not
doing it because I want to go towar in ukraine I'm going to do
it because I want to get intothe military and try to fight
the leadership structures Thatare allowing us to be pulled in
this direction Because if it'snot a consortium of veterans and

(56:21):
leaders who are willing to standup to the threats of this
communistic approach, then we'redone for.
And that's really what it'sabout.
It's, I don't care aboutanything else but that.
I care about fighting for what'sright and getting into a
position where I can matter inthe military, even if Even if it
prolongs us in a good place fora few more years, so we can get

(56:42):
the right kind of leadership inthe administration we need, et
cetera.
So I think I don't care.
I, I'm, I mean, I went to Iraqand most of us go, why are we
here?
Why?
How could we went to Iraq and wedidn't go, this is all for the
politicians and their oil.
We still did it because I got toexperience a liberation of some
small groups of people.
I got to do things over therewhere people were thanking us

(57:05):
for it.
That's small comparativelyspeaking.
Okay.
But why were we in Iraq?
There were no weapons of massdestruction.
I don't care what anybody says.
You know what?
There were golden money.
It's like that.
The reality is that oil, westill did it.
Did it, people go, you guys arebaby killer.
How could you go over there anddo all that stuff?
You guys are just pogs, youknow, pogs and our club cogs in

(57:26):
the machine for the Bushadministration.
Okay.
But we didn't do that for theBush administration.
We did that for America.
We thought that's, we were doingwhat was right for America.
And no veteran will ever tellyou, I joined the military
because I wanted to make somepolitician rich, or I want to go
fight in a war that we shouldn'tbe involved in.
They do it because it's, it's aselfless duty to the patriotic
nature of our country and who westand for.

(57:46):
And if we're not willing to doit, then we're dead on arrival.
And to me, that's worth fightingfor.

Let me ask you before we run out of time about
that fight that that fightthat's coming, and not everyone
can or will or is able to dowhat what you're going to do.
And again, thank you.

You're

So, for, and I think the analogy to Rome is a
great one, you know, the slowcrumbling of the empire from
from within.

From within.

what, what is the, what is the fight that's
coming and how, how can othersprepare for it?
Right.
It's great to talk aboutholistic performance and how it
shows up in your, in yourbusiness and your relationship.
We talk about how hardship helpsus grow.
Right.
But everything is seasonal andnone of us have lived the kind
of hardship that people lived acentury ago.

(58:35):
And it looks like maybe comingback around in the next decade
or so of what we're going toexperience here.
Right.
Yeah.
So give me a little bit of yourview on that and how people can
people, families, communitiescan, can train and prepare.

That's a phenomenal question.
It really is about, and I, I usethis terminology battle proof in
your life because with theimpending economic and global
crisis that we are facing now,that's only going to get worse
is going to rattle people fromthe soul.
throughout their entire being.
And if you are not preparedmentally, emotionally,

(59:07):
physically, spiritually, andfinancially, all simultaneously,
if you, you think you're goingto compartmentalize your life
and you're going to focus onmaking as much money as possible
and stacking as much rice andammunition in your garage, but
your relationships aren't,aren't, you know, optimal, your
health is not 100 percent whereyou need it to be.
You are not capable ofunderstanding how to handle the
unknowns of what's coming.

(59:27):
Because you've never been put inthose positions to be challenged
when things are out of yourcontrol, then you're going to
crumble under the conflicts thatwe're going to face and you're
not going to make it, you'regoing to suffer horrendously.
And I think families,communities, people in general
that are listening to it,whatever it is, is they got to
find.
The environments and theresources that give them the

(59:48):
opportunity to basically battleproof themselves I'm, not saying
go join a military like bootcamp week long course and kind
of do some raw raw stuff whereyou punch your buddy In the face
you get wet and get yelled atwhat i'm talking about is truly
getting to a a place where whatenvironments like I shared with
you of my A buddy of mine areputting something together for
some entrepreneurs who reallywant to battle proof themselves

(01:00:10):
as well for this So Findingpeople that are willing to be by
your side and train you andchallenge you on a daily basis
until they, they recognize youhave accomplished that next
level version of yourself.
They can see no matter what isthrown your way, you know how to

(01:00:30):
react to the contact rather yourespond to that contact properly
rather than react to itnegatively.
So I would, I would reallyrequire, and I would tell people
they need to.
They need to truly get back to afaith.
They need to get back to a placewhere they realize now more than
ever, it matters.
And there's a lot more that you,that is unseen.
That's happening.

(01:00:50):
That is going to mess with you.
It's going to hurt.
If you are not secure in yourfaith, if you were not trusting,
In god, you're not getting to aplace of realizing I've got to
be protected so that I can makeit through these trials and
tribulations that's anotherthing that's going to break
people in communities, so we areon the verge of another world.
I think we are on the verge ofworld war iii I don't doubt it's

(01:01:12):
going to happen.
I think it's a matter of if notwhen I don't know with I think
we might get the access we mightget iran north korea and russia
Who knows we might get it allwho knows?
So as things start to wax andwane, as they are starting to
show us right now, it's prudentof people to truly go, you know
what?
Let me strip away comforts thatI'm used to right now when it

(01:01:33):
comes to what I, what I say, Iwant, what I say, want to do.
And let me get outside of whatI, I, my bubble of belief and,
and in my own world and go intoa place that I typically don't
go.
Find yourself like looking forthings that are going to
challenge you that really makeyou face what you have not faced

(01:01:53):
throughout your entire life.
Have the hard conversations withfamily members.
Look at the pains and thetraumas you've gone through and
do something about resolvingthem.
Get to a place where you arebeing able to build up financial
stability for yourself.
Because if the dollar collapsesor the economy changes, you can
maintain and sustain yourfamily.
Sit down with your wife or yourkids and really have real

(01:02:14):
conversations with them.
Find health professionals, youknow, performance professionals,
getting people in thisconsortium of community to
really build each other up isgoing to give us that semblance
of, of survival, if you will,when things kind of hit the fan.
So, if you feel drawn to jointhe military, go do it.
Don't wait.
Don't, don't act like, well, Idon't, if you feel pulled, go do

(01:02:36):
it.
If you feel drawn to you knowstart your own business go do it
right now If you feel drawn tojust stop and stop doing
everything go raise family on afarm and just grow your own
stuff Go for it It's aboutmaking decisions that you're
drawn to making and trusting inThe step you take is going to
reveal the next step and thenthe next step will reveal the
next step Be willing to embracethe suck of the unknown and

(01:02:57):
trust that the challenges you'regoing to face are only going to
make you harder and and and lessdifficult exposed to the
weaknesses that might be, youknow, in your, in your world,
and they're going to make youharder to kill, and they're
gonna make you more resilient,and they're gonna make you more
optimal, and they're gonna giveyou the clarity of being a
better decision maker, a betterleader, and a better human being
altogether.

Michael Bulloch (01:03:16):
That's awesome.
I could not wrap it up or say itany better than that.
Wiley.
Thank you for trusting, trustingyourself, following that, that
lead of where your spirit, yourintuition, your faith may take
you and really, that feel a bituncomfortable and seeing, seeing
where they lead.
Lots, lots of growth in

Wylie McGraw (01:03:34):
Yeah, you got to step away from the creature
comforts man Put down the putdown the alcohol stop partying
so much, you know, you don'tneed the drug You don't need the
the tv the distraction changeyour habits.
It really comes.
It really it's cliche, but youhave to The the challenges I do
in my life on a daily basis withmy wife.
I have my business partner Shechallenges me every single day

(01:03:55):
as well.
She works in the business withme with our clients I'm, not
immune to this either i'm human.
So at the end of the day, it'slike Like finding that set point
of peace internally, it allowsme to navigate life dynamically
where I don't get lost in life.
I don't get pulled away fromwhat matters.
And that gives me the ability toproblem solve much more
efficiently.
When I'm faced with challengesthat I'm maybe not aware of that

(01:04:17):
I was going to be faced or maybeI don't even have the answers to
right away.
So I'm able to then take it andbrace it head on and do
something with it rather thancrumble under the pressure.
I want people to do the samething.
Find a coach, find a resource,listen to a podcast, and go do
something that's going to.
break you away from what youfeel is normal and good for you.
You might be surprised atactually hindering your ability

(01:04:37):
to get to that X level and beprepared for the impending
challenges that you will face inyour life, whether it's
subjective or objective.

I mean, crisis is, is always around the corner,
whether we like it or not,right?
And we can prepare or notprepare.
That's really our only

it bill you can buy all of the things guns and
ammunition of food you want ifyour attitude and your mindset
if Your resiliency are not atthe same level as your sharpie
your marksmanship skills Itain't gonna work.
You won't make it.

Awesome.
Well, Hey, I know if if people,I'm excited to continue to
follow your, your story and seewhere this path leads.
But if if this really resonateswith folks.
I will get links up to your, toyour website, Wiley McGraw.
I know you've been, you haveyour own podcast with a few
episodes that are still yet torelease on a wise words of
whiskey and you know, youmentioned and Andy stump, I know

(01:05:26):
you've been on there.
You've been on JLDs, EO fire.
I think you were on Chris Voss'spodcast.
So you're out, you know, anumber, a number of places
people can probably getcompletely different
conversational paths than whatwe explored here today.
I know we could keep going for along time on some interesting
stuff, but I want to thank youfor your time today.
Make sure

Yeah.
Thank

towards your, your site and your social media
and your other podcastappearances.
Really appreciate you, Wiley.
Thank you for coming on.
Just, just having thisconversation, sharing some
knowledge and yeah.
Hope, hope this leads some, somefolks to make changes.
You know, kind of reassessthemselves, trusted themselves,
challenge themselves and getready for what's next.

Yep, and surrender let go trust that too that that
matters.
But yeah, thank you brother forhaving me It's been a it's been
a great conversation.
I

I appreciate you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
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