July 3, 2024 • 38 mins
Dr. Orr shares her transformative journey into energy medicine, which began at the age of 18 when she successfully overcame severe phobias using neuroemotional technique (NET) and other energy practices. Explore the fascinating interplay between feminine and masculine energy and its impact on relationships and personal well-being. Dr. Orr discusses how feminine energy, which thrives on allowing and receiving, differs from the structured and protective nature of masculine energy. Many women struggle with balancing these energies, often leading to exhaustion and disconnection from their true essence. Learn the importance of reconnecting with your needs and desires, and understand the potential health implications that arise from this energetic misalignment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, it's nice to meet you.
Thank you for coming on to mypodcast as a guest.
Thank you for having me.
I'm glad to be here.
Thank you, I guess, to startoff, can you tell listeners a
little bit about yourself andwhat you do, your background,
anything that you would like toshare.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I'm Dr Orr, I'm a doctor of natural medicine and I
work with people on supportingthem in listening to their
bodies and listening to theirinner knowing.
I particularly work with womenon listening to their cycles,
discovering what their physicalsymptoms are telling them about
their emotions, their energy,their patterns, and together,
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once they hear the message, thentogether we work on meeting
their needs, getting them tofollow their truths and follow
their vision and live theirpurpose.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Awesome.
Thank you.
So lots of interesting workthere, right?
What kind of got you startedwith this type of work?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So I was.
I got into energy medicineright out of high school.
I was 18 years old.
I moved to New York for collegeand I met this woman who took
me under her wings and, withoutgiving me on, um, I was having
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like really bad phobias, um, andthey were affecting my like, my
everyday.
They were affecting my sleep,my day-to-day commute, just I I
was.
Yeah, it was really reallytough.
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So I worked with her on myphobias and she kind of like she
was uh a, she practicedsomething called NET
neuroemotional technique, and soshe threw me into this
technique very quickly and allof a sudden I was working.
I was doing this work, thisemotional work that I'd never
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done before.
I've been to therapists thathave never done this kind of
work before and it involved somepast life stuff.
It involved like listening intomy energy body and getting like
this new language of like Ihave chakras, I have org fields,
I have archetypes.
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There were all these new thingsand even though they were new
to me, everything I heard andeverything that I was working
with felt very aligned for meand I could really understand
very quickly.
So it was almost like somebodywho learned how to ride a bike
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and then had like amnesia andthen got up and got on the bike
again and knew what they weredoing, like their body was in
that mode already.
So it was like in my blood thiskind of work and my DNA and my
whatever.
And I worked on my phobias withher and within a few sessions
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and a little bit of work thatwas kind of intense I was able
to sleep without the tv on,without lights on.
I didn't have like reoccurringlike kind of like things that I
thought were going to happen,like I didn't have these like
visuals of what I thought wasgoing to happen.
And then I just pursuedlearning.
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I started learning more.
I learned some.
One of my biggest inspirationsis Caroline Mace's work on
archetypes and anatomy of thespirit, on archetypes and
anatomy of the spirit, and so Istarted learning about the
energetic body and the vitalbody and that's kind of what
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took me down this route.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That sounds very, very interesting.
And I've done like a chakracleanse before on myself, like
on my own, and I've only done itonce, but just that one time
that I did it I was kind of likeI don't want to say shocked,
but like amazed, I guess at theprocess of it, because I
remember feeling like tinglinglike in certain chakras, and
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it's been a while.
But like she explained to me,you know everything but and so I
believe I'm a believer in thatand it sounds very interesting.
And so I believe I'm a believerin that and it sounds very
interesting.
And then also like justnon-traditional as well, because
typically right, like whenpeople are experiencing phobias,
anxiety, just anything likethat we typically turn to like a
therapist or medications tohelp, and so this is just
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another approach and it soundsvery interesting and just
fascinating yeah, I think that alot of just the way that we
live.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's like there's a problem and then you just want
to shut that problem down.
Right, you don't want to dealwith a problem.
I mean, you have kids.
You you know what it's like tohave like a kid come up to you
and be like, oh, I got hurt, andlike our immediate thing is
like let's fix it.
And really, what does a kidwant?
A kid wants to have like a kisson their boo-boo and then
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usually, unless it's likesomething really major they're,
they just go back to theplayground and they play, and so
it's like that recognition Ithink we're really missing from
Western medicine, traditionaltherapy.
It's like we need to give apause and to look at oh, you're
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in pain, oh you're in fear, oh,you're in trauma or whatever.
Right, like sometimes it's justthat pause before we dive in
and we do the work, or before wetake a pill and we quote
unquote fix the problem.
Because we're not fixing it.
We're just kind of like ignore,numbing it out, putting a
bandaid on, trying to move onand keep up with our very busy
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life.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, like there's a pill for
everything and that's supposedto fix everything but it's such
a temporary fix.
So definitely your work soundsvery interesting, very helpful.
Thank you for sharing that.
I was interested in kind ofpicking your brain a little bit
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on energy.
So I know you mentioned alittle bit of energy, but
specifically like feminine andmasculine.
I started reading.
I forgot what book it was thatmentioned it, but I'll speak
personally for myself.
It's very hard to.
I don't.
I feel like I need to work onmy feminine energy.
(07:00):
I'll just put it that way.
And so, to start off, I mean,from your expertise and your
experience, how would you evenbegin to talk about like
feminine, masculine energy, like, what is it like?
What are we talking about?
For listeners who are probablylike okay, what are they talking
about?
(07:20):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How would you talking about?
What is this?
How would you?
Let me ask you a question.
So when you say I feel like Ineed to, work on my feminine
energy.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Can you describe what that means to you?
Sure, so for me in particular,and I know it shows up in
different areas, but for me In arelationship, for example.
So I in the relationship, Itend to like want to take charge
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, get things done, like Likeit's really hard for me to let
someone else like take care ofme or like do things for me.
Like I need I'm the one that'ssupposed to be in charge, I the
one that gets things done, likeI don't rely on other people,
type of thing.
Like those are some examplesand that can be really like
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exhausting after a while.
Right, Like just yeah, and sosometimes I'm just like man, I
wish I could just like step backand just allow myself to, just
okay, like someone else could doit, or you know, that's my
example, that's at least for me.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I'm like Most women's answers will probably be
like what you just said.
Right, it's like the struggleis overdoing, controlling,
running the show, not lettinganybody in and like suffering
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from it.
Right, and you use the wordallowing.
Feminine frequency is so muchabout allowing, receiving, being
in the flow, right, but so manyof us females do not.
We do not do that, we areterrible at it.
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We want to make sure everythingis like this idea of perfect
that doesn't exist and God knowswho made this up.
Right, like this idea ofperfection.
And then we're mad.
We're mad because there's noway to achieve that perfection.
Like no way.
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Even if like perfection, likeno way, even if, like you, put
all of us incredibly talentedwomen together, that perfection
looks different to everybody,and it's also so much of it is
based on what we think it shouldlook like, right, what we, what
we like, our imagination tellsus, our imagination tells us oh,
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this person, usually a woman,expects this thing to happen,
and so I have to make sure ithappens and my line of people,
my partner, my husband, mychildren don't fall and don't
meet those needs for me.
They don't know how to make itperfect like I need it to be or
like the other person needs itto be, how to make it perfect
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like I need it to be or likethat other person needs it to be
?
So it's not even connected.
These desires, these ideas, arenot even connected to our own
truth.
So what would it look like forus to connect First thing, first
, connect to what it is, that is, our knowing, our needs, our
wants, our desires, our essence,right Like first things.
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Connect to your essence.
And that requires pausing, itrequires taking a break from
being quote, unquote, this ideaof perfect and this idea of like
.
I can run everything, I can runthis show, and if you pause,
there's a fear that if you pause, everything is going to crumble
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down.
So, as women, female, feminineenergy is really about nurturing
, allowing, receiving, being inflow.
Masculine energy is aboutproviding, creating structure,
protecting, hunting, right Likegoing like we, really.
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We go back to the, to history,like we go back to, like the
ancient, like you know, likecivilization, where they really
embodied what masculine andfeminine energy looks like.
They really embodied whatmasculine and feminine energy
looks like.
But we've lost that becausewe've gotten into this place of
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fear of like.
How can I be a business owner?
How can I live in corporateworld and be nurturing People?
Look at that as a weakness.
How can I be flowing?
I can't flow.
There's structure that isrequired of me.
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I have to show up in a certainway.
So there's a lot of fearconnected here, and that's
something that each individualperson is going to have to
breathe through, to work through, and really a way to do that is
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to connect with whatever yourdivine support looks like, right
?
So, whether it's God or theuniverse or being out in nature,
it's looking at this thingthat's bigger than us and
allowing that thing to be theholding while we pause so that
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we can start processing throughour own fear of.
I'm planning on pausing so thatI can look at that and I can
look at bringing in femininityinto my life, but I'm really
scared.
So help me pause.
And that pause right Like theholding, the holding space for
us to pause.
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That's masculine.
That's somebody creatingstructure for us, right, like
that support system.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What can happen if someone is kind of like
misaligned, so like kind of likeme, right, how, I feel like I'm
kind of misaligned with that.
I need to work on my likefeminine energy, right?
What can happen if someone iskind of misaligned and even like
with masculine energy, likesomeone being misaligned with
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that like how, how, what wouldthat look like?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it looks like from an external life perspective.
It looks like, um, fightingwith your partner or not having
not being able to meet somebodywho you flow with because you're
butting head, you're buttingenergies, not just heads, but
energy.
Um, it looks like this, likeall the cancer that we have
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right?
Ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, breast cancer, like that being
on the rise.
That shows you how bad that,how terribly we're doing with
honoring the feminine, becauseall of those show that we've
overdone it.
Cancer is an overgrowth, it'san old, it's right, it's, it's,
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there's too much of something.
So there is this inability tobalance and to honor and respect
femininity.
It looks like PMS, it lookslike PCOS, it looks like
endometriosis.
It looks like all these thesephysical ailments and these
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eases that we see and that's howit comes.
That's, that's like the extremeof it, right?
So, yeah, that's how you knowyou're out of balance.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's interesting that you say that, because
that's actually kind of likewhat got me started with like
really thinking about this andlike wanting to work on this is
like, over the last year, um, myperiods became very like I
can't even think of the word but, uh, very, I don't know why,
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irregular, irregular I couldn'tthink of that word.
They became very regular andlike I was like what's going on
and I think everything'sconnected.
So it's it's interesting youmentioned that, because our
mental can definitely affect ourphysical as well, right?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, and like you mentioned, if you're misaligned
in these energies and you'rejust like arguing, fighting
right with your partner, likeyou're adding all this stress,
like it's stressful, stressfulsituations, so I could see, yeah
, like how that can affect thephysical health as well.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, it can affect infertility, it affects
irregular cycles are like theeasiest way and, honestly, the
safest way, to tell that you'reoff, because it means that your
body is just giving you kind ofsafe hints at this point, right,
it hasn't come to a placethat's more difficult to reverse
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, right?
So if we pay attention to ourcycles, we can know, based on
each symptom, what is happening.
So, for example, low back painis related to finances and to
feeling supported, stomachissues around PMS, inability to
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digest emotions, a littlemeditation and a protocol to
work with, because those thingsare reversible, for lack of a
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better word.
And our body is talking to us.
It's telling us something andyou're listening, right, you
just said this is why I'm goinginto this, this is why I'm
curious.
And it's easier to takemagnesium or birth control let's
not even go there but, right,like these things that shut us
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down, magnesium doesn't shut youdown.
I love magnesium, but it'seasier to take something to
quote-unquote fix the problemthan to actually listen deeper.
But our energetic body is like40 percent of our what our
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physical reality.
So what's happening behind thescenes is a huge amount of what
is affecting what we're seeingand what we're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, definitely as far as like the misalignment,
you know, with the energyfeminine, masculine energy,
whatnot, what do you feel thatare some of the contributing
factors to that with someone?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Expectations, expectations from again, like
that we make up Expectationsthat we see in the media,
politics, social media, and partof what started this is you
know, the whole feministrevolution I mean as amazing as
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feminist revolution was like weneeded women to stand up and say
you know, we need equal pay andwe need the ability to vote,
and you know all those thingsare, and we need ownership over
our physical bodies.
Right, all those things aremajor and super, super important
.
And what happened when womenwent to fight for this is that
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then they lost the essence offemininity Because they went oh,
we want to be a part of themasculine world.
We want to be a part of how themen are doing, rather than
going.
We're women.
Let's own how we're doing it.
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Let's own our power.
Let's own nurturing.
Let's own how we're doing it.
Let's own our power.
Let's own nurturing.
Let's own allowing.
Let's own flow.
Let's own love and care andtenderness.
Let's own those things.
Let's make those things normal.
We went no, those things areviewed as bad in this capitalist
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world.
So let's push them aside andlet's be and show that we can be
like men, right, like if we seeadvertisement, we let's pretend
we don't have a period, let'snot even talk about it.
Let's have the tiniest tamponso nobody knows that you're on
your period and you can still doeverything that a man does.
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Well, sure, you could if youwant to, but you don't have to
want to because you're not male,you're female, so own that.
And then we change the worldthat way, by bringing more of
that into the world and intowhatever it is that you choose
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to be doing with your life, andlike, let that spread.
So I think that's what tippedit.
It's like we went into this,this anger mode.
We went into this, this angermode, and we fought for
something, and then we foughtfor things like the pill that
actually destroy our femininity,destroy so much of who we are
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as females, and shut it down.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what your points.
And when I was thinking of likeme yeah, I see what your points
and when I was thinking of likeme, just I was like, okay, why
is it so hard for me?
Whatever I was, like, you know,also upbringing right, like our
upbringing, our parents right,our family, so my family or my
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mom, valued work a lot.
So like working, you have towork hard.
You have to like right, go toschool, you have to do this,
this and this.
And then also like she was asingle mom for most of my life,
so that also right, like she hadto kind of take on both roles
like mom, dad, and so just likethat upbringing also just made
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me grow into like more of themasculine energy and you know
that made it hard for me to justbe like like we've talked about
, like okay, like it's okay toto let another person you know
solve a problem for me orwhatever.
So definitely like upbringingtoo, right, another big one.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
The way we've watched the menand women in our lives affects
us tremendously more than weknow and enters our subconscious
, enters our archetypical realm,conscious, enters our
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archetypical realm, enters ourphysical body and we might not
even remember a lot of thethings we've learned.
But that's such an importantprocess that you're going
through is looking at.
You know, what did I learn frommy mother?
What did I learn from theabsence of my father?
Right.
And what am I willing to take?
Take and what am I willing tolet go of?
Right.
So now you have to go throughyour own inventory of what makes
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sense, because there's animmense value in in working and
providing for your family as asingle mother.
Immense that I mean, oh my gosh.
Right, like the amount ofrespect and honor that your
mother deserves for for doingthat, providing for your family
as a single mother Immense value.
I mean, oh my gosh.
Right, like the amount ofrespect and honor that your
mother deserves for doing thatright.
And how can?
If you got to play with thatand you got to rewrite some of
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it, how could you imagine thatshe might do that while still
respecting her femininity, whilestill allowing help in, while
still allowing, teaching youtime to relax, to put up your
feet, to take a bath when youneed to, to show up in the
morning, right?
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Part of it is not even like.
It's not even in the actions.
It's in how we take those sameactions in the actions.
It's in how we take those sameactions right.
There's a way of like you coulddrive stressed or you could
drive relaxed.
You're still driving right,you're still doing the same
thing, but how are you in yourbody right?
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How are you putting food on thetable?
Are you doing it in a soft andgentle and nurturing way, or are
you like, angry about it andstressed out and like eating
rushed right, like it's?
It's not so much about theactions that we're taking, it's
in the frequency that carrythose actions.
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Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I love that, because you mentioned like okay, you're
going to be driving anyway,right, so what can we do to
still like not be so?
I feel like also like not be sotough on ourselves in a way,
like those expectations that weput on ourselves, right, like I
have to do this, I have to.
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We mentioned like this has tobe perfect, I have to, right, so
just like those expectationsthat we put on ourselves too, um
, and kind of balance it outwith I don't know doing
something you enjoy, right,taking a break, and there's just
a reframing of it, right?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So, like Byron, katie's work is a great resource
for looking at expectations ofourselves or of others, right?
It's like you get to look atwhat that expectation is and
question it.
Right, challenge yourself inquestioning it.
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Who said that?
Where did that come from?
Is that true?
Is it true?
And then she takes you.
I love it because she takes youthrough this process of really
challenging yourself to see ifthose thoughts, those belief,
systems are true.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I love that.
I love that because, yeah, andthat's really helpful because
sometimes if and I always givemy own examples because I don't
want to generalize listeners intheir experience I'm like for me
, like if I'm having like asuper busy day and I always have
a checklist of things that Ihave to do, I do have to
practice reframing sometimesbecause, let's say, I have
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something on my checklist andI'm like, okay, it has to get
done today.
I'm putting that pressure on me, like okay, I have to do this.
But then sometimes I just haveto reframe and be like you know
what?
Like well, what's gonna, what'sgonna happen if I do this
tomorrow?
Like is it, it's gonna be okay,right, like once you start kind
of like questioning thosethoughts that come into your
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mind and at the end of the day,like it's gonna be okay, it's
gonna be fine, Right, workingwith whatever outside higher
power also comes into play andis also really helpful, because
you remember that it's not allup to you and I had this you're
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sharing from yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so I'll share a little thing that I had years
ago.
My daughter brought home fromschool a little seed it was
either an orange or a lemon seedor something a citrus seed and
she planted it in this pot thatwe had in the kitchen and this
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thing didn't.
Nothing came, I think like alittle leaf came of it and we
watered it and we, you know,sang to it and all the things
trying to make this plant grow,and nothing happened, like it
was making no progress.
And then we left for the summer.
We were gone for a month and ahalf, so this plant was getting
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no water and like I don't thinkthe window was even open, just
sun.
And when we came back it waslike a foot tall, tall, like it
had leaves and like it made hugeprogress.
And it really hit me.
I go back to this plant so often.
Now it's now we moved to ahouse, so now it's in the
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backyard, backyard and it'sbeautiful.
It doesn't have any fruit, butit has lots of leaves and it's
really tall.
And I go back to that plantoften and reminding myself that
I'm not in charge, constantly,be like nagging at something or
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taking care of something to seeit grow right.
It's like connecting to natureis like the best way to remember
that so much is out of ourcontrol and so much is out of
our hands.
And that's a good thing, becausewe get stuck in this illusion
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that we are in control, thatwe're in charge, that we are
responsible for so much morethan we would ever be
responsible or should beresponsible for, and we pick
that up as kids, right?
You mentioned that.
We pick up that we'reresponsible for our parents
feelings, our parents anger, andour parents happiness and our
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friends.
You know, if our friends hasfeelings, we're told, as you
know, oh, you made him feel bador oh, go, like there's so much
on us, versus takingresponsibility for our own stuff
and owning those things andpaying attention to our own
needs.
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I think if we did that, we'd bein a much better place.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I agree, like just kind of accepting, like
sometimes you're not going to bein control of everything and
things we're never in control ofeverything, like, and it's okay
, like you don't have to be incontrol of everything, yeah yeah
yeah, so what, what, um, whatis something that listeners
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could do or start to?
I don don't know.
Like, how do we kind of likebegin to work on our energy or
like is there any small thingswe could do?
Like what can we do?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, so, I think the first part of listening in is
it's simple, it's not easy forus to do and I think noticing
that it's not easy is a goodstep.
But pausing, pausing throughoutyour day, pausing in the car
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before you start your engine,pausing when you go to the
bathroom, right, like payingattention to being in our bodies
and taking note of what thatfeels like and also taking note
of oh, I, you know, oh, I heardthis podcast earlier and she
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said that you know to pause andit's been three days and I
haven't done it, done it right.
It's like why is it sochallenging to do that right?
So pausing, um, laying down forfive minutes and breathing,
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this is all like preliminarypractices of listening to your
body and listening to yourenergy and giving your.
And it's like when you it's,you know, when you go on a date
with someone new, like gettingto know them right.
So much, so many of us we justwe don't do that.
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We don't practice listening toour body.
So pausing, that's like.
That is the biggest thing I'llrecommend In terms of listening
to specific symptoms.
Like I said, I'm happy to sharemy little booklet on PMS
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symptoms and what they mean sothat it can.
You can start like translatingthrough um and then I'll also
I'd recommend um.
There's a book called thequeen's code which I love.
I highly recommend that book interms of like um, female, male
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in relationships and how tohonor yourself as a queen and
how to honor your partner as theking and what that looks like
and how that changes therelationship.
And the female brain is alsoanother great book that I love
and it really shows howdifferent we are on a
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physiological level and abiological level.
We're very, very different andso when you start seeing that
physically, I think it alsogives a lot of support and
reasoning as to why we need,emotionally and energetically,
the things that we need and whyand how to honor our
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counterparts, um, in what theyneed.
Because, because a lot of thetimes we'll also get mad at them
for not being like us.
Right, when I talking, I'mtalking male, female
relationship here.
So just to be clear, but inmale and female relationship,
we're so angry at them that theydon't wash the dishes the same
(33:56):
way or run the household thesame way or get things done the
same way that we do, but we holdthe standard for them that we
hold for ourselves and they arenot physically are.
They're not the same as we are.
They just are not likephysically they're not.
(34:20):
So I think that's a reallyimportant thing to also consider
when we talk about male andfemale energies yeah, I need to
remind myself of that.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Right, like he's not washing the dishes, like I would
not cleaning up, like, like,okay, he's not you like he's, oh
gosh.
Thank you for that reminderyeah, yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And if we honor that he's not you and that he's not
the perfect female that weexpect him to be, we'd be so
much happier and we'd have suchsuch better relationships.
Yeah, and to see what they do,that is that that we value right
(35:13):
, like.
Let's like go back to the, towhat you said, allowing and
structure right.
So for me and for me it's evenmore because my partner is a
Capricorn and I'm a Pisces, sohe has not just being male, but
but he's also, he has thatstructural, astrological aspect
of him and I have not just beingfemale, but also the, the
(35:35):
Piscean flow, like watery energyto me.
So I love to visualize it as heis the riverbanks, so that my
water has space to flow in.
And I think that when we letourselves flow and we let them
hold us and not try to controlhow they hold us, because they
(35:57):
just want us to be happy andthey just want to love us and
they just want to see us do ourthing, they really do.
I mean, they really do.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They're pretty simple .
Yeah, I'm a capricorn, so I seewhat you, I know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, so for you it's gonna be even more challenging,
right, because for you, how doyou find the feminine aspect of
the capricorn, which is like aearthy structural sign, right,
you, you're, you're all aboutthat structure.
So what does that look likefrom a feminine perspective?
Yeah, um, I don't know and youcan start start journaling about
(36:40):
that, start like finding thatwithin you and and you know, I
mean you can even look at, youknow, maybe like architectural
magazines, right, like lookthrough and see how different
architects build theirstructures, right.
(37:01):
Or I mean even to like let's goback to nature for a second.
Nature is very structured, butit doesn't look like a straight
building.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, that's true.
Okay, um, well, thank you somuch.
I love this conversation andit's definitely something to
think about, even like forlisteners, and so this is going
to be different for everyone.
But if this resonated with youand you want more information or
you're more curious, where canpeople find you and, you know,
(37:34):
get your freebies and all thegood stuff?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So my website is quantumdoctororcom and you can
find this freebie workbook therewhat your PMS is trying to tell
you, or your PMS is trying totell you something.
I think it's called, and youcan always email me
(37:58):
quantumdoctoror at gmailcom, andI'm also on Instagram as
quantumdoctoror and I'd love totalk with you and help you work
through any physical stuff orrelationship stuff or owning
your truth, finding your truth,owning your body.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Awesome.
Thank you so much and againthank you for coming on to my
podcast and just sharing yourknowledge.
It was very helpful.
It really was, so thank youonce again.
I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Thank you.
Hi, it's nice to meet you.
Thank you for coming on to mypodcast as a guest.
Thank you for having me.
I'm glad to be here.
Thank you, I guess, to startoff, can you tell listeners a
little bit about yourself andwhat you do, your background,
anything that you would like toshare.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I'm Dr Orr, I'm a doctor of natural medicine and I
work with people on supportingthem in listening to their
bodies and listening to theirinner knowing.
I particularly work with womenon listening to their cycles,
discovering what their physicalsymptoms are telling them about
their emotions, their energy,their patterns, and together,
(00:53):
once they hear the message, thentogether we work on meeting
their needs, getting them tofollow their truths and follow
their vision and live theirpurpose.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Awesome.
Thank you.
So lots of interesting workthere, right?
What kind of got you startedwith this type of work?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So I was.
I got into energy medicineright out of high school.
I was 18 years old.
I moved to New York for collegeand I met this woman who took
me under her wings and, withoutgiving me on, um, I was having
(01:38):
like really bad phobias, um, andthey were affecting my like, my
everyday.
They were affecting my sleep,my day-to-day commute, just I I
was.
Yeah, it was really reallytough.
(01:59):
So I worked with her on myphobias and she kind of like she
was uh a, she practicedsomething called NET
neuroemotional technique, and soshe threw me into this
technique very quickly and allof a sudden I was working.
I was doing this work, thisemotional work that I'd never
(02:21):
done before.
I've been to therapists thathave never done this kind of
work before and it involved somepast life stuff.
It involved like listening intomy energy body and getting like
this new language of like Ihave chakras, I have org fields,
I have archetypes.
(02:42):
There were all these new thingsand even though they were new
to me, everything I heard andeverything that I was working
with felt very aligned for meand I could really understand
very quickly.
So it was almost like somebodywho learned how to ride a bike
(03:02):
and then had like amnesia andthen got up and got on the bike
again and knew what they weredoing, like their body was in
that mode already.
So it was like in my blood thiskind of work and my DNA and my
whatever.
And I worked on my phobias withher and within a few sessions
(03:26):
and a little bit of work thatwas kind of intense I was able
to sleep without the tv on,without lights on.
I didn't have like reoccurringlike kind of like things that I
thought were going to happen,like I didn't have these like
visuals of what I thought wasgoing to happen.
And then I just pursuedlearning.
(03:50):
I started learning more.
I learned some.
One of my biggest inspirationsis Caroline Mace's work on
archetypes and anatomy of thespirit, on archetypes and
anatomy of the spirit, and so Istarted learning about the
energetic body and the vitalbody and that's kind of what
(04:12):
took me down this route.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That sounds very, very interesting.
And I've done like a chakracleanse before on myself, like
on my own, and I've only done itonce, but just that one time
that I did it I was kind of likeI don't want to say shocked,
but like amazed, I guess at theprocess of it, because I
remember feeling like tinglinglike in certain chakras, and
(04:37):
it's been a while.
But like she explained to me,you know everything but and so I
believe I'm a believer in thatand it sounds very interesting.
And so I believe I'm a believerin that and it sounds very
interesting.
And then also like justnon-traditional as well, because
typically right, like whenpeople are experiencing phobias,
anxiety, just anything likethat we typically turn to like a
therapist or medications tohelp, and so this is just
(05:01):
another approach and it soundsvery interesting and just
fascinating yeah, I think that alot of just the way that we
live.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's like there's a problem and then you just want
to shut that problem down.
Right, you don't want to dealwith a problem.
I mean, you have kids.
You you know what it's like tohave like a kid come up to you
and be like, oh, I got hurt, andlike our immediate thing is
like let's fix it.
And really, what does a kidwant?
A kid wants to have like a kisson their boo-boo and then
(05:32):
usually, unless it's likesomething really major they're,
they just go back to theplayground and they play, and so
it's like that recognition Ithink we're really missing from
Western medicine, traditionaltherapy.
It's like we need to give apause and to look at oh, you're
(05:55):
in pain, oh you're in fear, oh,you're in trauma or whatever.
Right, like sometimes it's justthat pause before we dive in
and we do the work, or before wetake a pill and we quote
unquote fix the problem.
Because we're not fixing it.
We're just kind of like ignore,numbing it out, putting a
bandaid on, trying to move onand keep up with our very busy
(06:18):
life.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, like there's a pill for
everything and that's supposedto fix everything but it's such
a temporary fix.
So definitely your work soundsvery interesting, very helpful.
Thank you for sharing that.
I was interested in kind ofpicking your brain a little bit
(06:39):
on energy.
So I know you mentioned alittle bit of energy, but
specifically like feminine andmasculine.
I started reading.
I forgot what book it was thatmentioned it, but I'll speak
personally for myself.
It's very hard to.
I don't.
I feel like I need to work onmy feminine energy.
(07:00):
I'll just put it that way.
And so, to start off, I mean,from your expertise and your
experience, how would you evenbegin to talk about like
feminine, masculine energy, like, what is it like?
What are we talking about?
For listeners who are probablylike okay, what are they talking
about?
(07:20):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How would you talking about?
What is this?
How would you?
Let me ask you a question.
So when you say I feel like Ineed to, work on my feminine
energy.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Can you describe what that means to you?
Sure, so for me in particular,and I know it shows up in
different areas, but for me In arelationship, for example.
So I in the relationship, Itend to like want to take charge
(07:56):
, get things done, like Likeit's really hard for me to let
someone else like take care ofme or like do things for me.
Like I need I'm the one that'ssupposed to be in charge, I the
one that gets things done, likeI don't rely on other people,
type of thing.
Like those are some examplesand that can be really like
(08:17):
exhausting after a while.
Right, Like just yeah, and sosometimes I'm just like man, I
wish I could just like step backand just allow myself to, just
okay, like someone else could doit, or you know, that's my
example, that's at least for me.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I'm like Most women's answers will probably be
like what you just said.
Right, it's like the struggleis overdoing, controlling,
running the show, not lettinganybody in and like suffering
(08:57):
from it.
Right, and you use the wordallowing.
Feminine frequency is so muchabout allowing, receiving, being
in the flow, right, but so manyof us females do not.
We do not do that, we areterrible at it.
(09:21):
We want to make sure everythingis like this idea of perfect
that doesn't exist and God knowswho made this up.
Right, like this idea ofperfection.
And then we're mad.
We're mad because there's noway to achieve that perfection.
Like no way.
(09:42):
Even if like perfection, likeno way, even if, like you, put
all of us incredibly talentedwomen together, that perfection
looks different to everybody,and it's also so much of it is
based on what we think it shouldlook like, right, what we, what
we like, our imagination tellsus, our imagination tells us oh,
(10:04):
this person, usually a woman,expects this thing to happen,
and so I have to make sure ithappens and my line of people,
my partner, my husband, mychildren don't fall and don't
meet those needs for me.
They don't know how to make itperfect like I need it to be or
like the other person needs itto be, how to make it perfect
(10:26):
like I need it to be or likethat other person needs it to be
?
So it's not even connected.
These desires, these ideas, arenot even connected to our own
truth.
So what would it look like forus to connect First thing, first
, connect to what it is, that is, our knowing, our needs, our
wants, our desires, our essence,right Like first things.
(10:47):
Connect to your essence.
And that requires pausing, itrequires taking a break from
being quote, unquote, this ideaof perfect and this idea of like
.
I can run everything, I can runthis show, and if you pause,
there's a fear that if you pause, everything is going to crumble
(11:07):
down.
So, as women, female, feminineenergy is really about nurturing
, allowing, receiving, being inflow.
Masculine energy is aboutproviding, creating structure,
protecting, hunting, right Likegoing like we, really.
(11:30):
We go back to the, to history,like we go back to, like the
ancient, like you know, likecivilization, where they really
embodied what masculine andfeminine energy looks like.
They really embodied whatmasculine and feminine energy
looks like.
But we've lost that becausewe've gotten into this place of
(11:54):
fear of like.
How can I be a business owner?
How can I live in corporateworld and be nurturing People?
Look at that as a weakness.
How can I be flowing?
I can't flow.
There's structure that isrequired of me.
(12:15):
I have to show up in a certainway.
So there's a lot of fearconnected here, and that's
something that each individualperson is going to have to
breathe through, to work through, and really a way to do that is
(12:36):
to connect with whatever yourdivine support looks like, right
?
So, whether it's God or theuniverse or being out in nature,
it's looking at this thingthat's bigger than us and
allowing that thing to be theholding while we pause so that
(12:58):
we can start processing throughour own fear of.
I'm planning on pausing so thatI can look at that and I can
look at bringing in femininityinto my life, but I'm really
scared.
So help me pause.
And that pause right Like theholding, the holding space for
us to pause.
(13:18):
That's masculine.
That's somebody creatingstructure for us, right, like
that support system.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What can happen if someone is kind of like
misaligned, so like kind of likeme, right, how, I feel like I'm
kind of misaligned with that.
I need to work on my likefeminine energy, right?
What can happen if someone iskind of misaligned and even like
with masculine energy, likesomeone being misaligned with
(13:46):
that like how, how, what wouldthat look like?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it looks like from an external life perspective.
It looks like, um, fightingwith your partner or not having
not being able to meet somebodywho you flow with because you're
butting head, you're buttingenergies, not just heads, but
energy.
Um, it looks like this, likeall the cancer that we have
(14:18):
right?
Ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, breast cancer, like that being
on the rise.
That shows you how bad that,how terribly we're doing with
honoring the feminine, becauseall of those show that we've
overdone it.
Cancer is an overgrowth, it'san old, it's right, it's, it's,
(14:41):
there's too much of something.
So there is this inability tobalance and to honor and respect
femininity.
It looks like PMS, it lookslike PCOS, it looks like
endometriosis.
It looks like all these thesephysical ailments and these
(15:03):
eases that we see and that's howit comes.
That's, that's like the extremeof it, right?
So, yeah, that's how you knowyou're out of balance.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's interesting that you say that, because
that's actually kind of likewhat got me started with like
really thinking about this andlike wanting to work on this is
like, over the last year, um, myperiods became very like I
can't even think of the word but, uh, very, I don't know why,
(15:35):
irregular, irregular I couldn'tthink of that word.
They became very regular andlike I was like what's going on
and I think everything'sconnected.
So it's it's interesting youmentioned that, because our
mental can definitely affect ourphysical as well, right?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, and like you mentioned, if you're misaligned
in these energies and you'rejust like arguing, fighting
right with your partner, likeyou're adding all this stress,
like it's stressful, stressfulsituations, so I could see, yeah
, like how that can affect thephysical health as well.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, it can affect infertility, it affects
irregular cycles are like theeasiest way and, honestly, the
safest way, to tell that you'reoff, because it means that your
body is just giving you kind ofsafe hints at this point, right,
it hasn't come to a placethat's more difficult to reverse
(16:33):
, right?
So if we pay attention to ourcycles, we can know, based on
each symptom, what is happening.
So, for example, low back painis related to finances and to
feeling supported, stomachissues around PMS, inability to
(16:59):
digest emotions, a littlemeditation and a protocol to
work with, because those thingsare reversible, for lack of a
(17:32):
better word.
And our body is talking to us.
It's telling us something andyou're listening, right, you
just said this is why I'm goinginto this, this is why I'm
curious.
And it's easier to takemagnesium or birth control let's
not even go there but, right,like these things that shut us
(17:52):
down, magnesium doesn't shut youdown.
I love magnesium, but it'seasier to take something to
quote-unquote fix the problemthan to actually listen deeper.
But our energetic body is like40 percent of our what our
(18:12):
physical reality.
So what's happening behind thescenes is a huge amount of what
is affecting what we're seeingand what we're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, definitely as far as like the misalignment,
you know, with the energyfeminine, masculine energy,
whatnot, what do you feel thatare some of the contributing
factors to that with someone?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Expectations, expectations from again, like
that we make up Expectationsthat we see in the media,
politics, social media, and partof what started this is you
know, the whole feministrevolution I mean as amazing as
(19:09):
feminist revolution was like weneeded women to stand up and say
you know, we need equal pay andwe need the ability to vote,
and you know all those thingsare, and we need ownership over
our physical bodies.
Right, all those things aremajor and super, super important
.
And what happened when womenwent to fight for this is that
(19:30):
then they lost the essence offemininity Because they went oh,
we want to be a part of themasculine world.
We want to be a part of how themen are doing, rather than
going.
We're women.
Let's own how we're doing it.
(19:52):
Let's own our power.
Let's own nurturing.
Let's own how we're doing it.
Let's own our power.
Let's own nurturing.
Let's own allowing.
Let's own flow.
Let's own love and care andtenderness.
Let's own those things.
Let's make those things normal.
We went no, those things areviewed as bad in this capitalist
(20:15):
world.
So let's push them aside andlet's be and show that we can be
like men, right, like if we seeadvertisement, we let's pretend
we don't have a period, let'snot even talk about it.
Let's have the tiniest tamponso nobody knows that you're on
your period and you can still doeverything that a man does.
(20:37):
Well, sure, you could if youwant to, but you don't have to
want to because you're not male,you're female, so own that.
And then we change the worldthat way, by bringing more of
that into the world and intowhatever it is that you choose
(21:00):
to be doing with your life, andlike, let that spread.
So I think that's what tippedit.
It's like we went into this,this anger mode.
We went into this, this angermode, and we fought for
something, and then we foughtfor things like the pill that
actually destroy our femininity,destroy so much of who we are
(21:23):
as females, and shut it down.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what your points.
And when I was thinking of likeme yeah, I see what your points
and when I was thinking of likeme, just I was like, okay, why
is it so hard for me?
Whatever I was, like, you know,also upbringing right, like our
upbringing, our parents right,our family, so my family or my
(21:50):
mom, valued work a lot.
So like working, you have towork hard.
You have to like right, go toschool, you have to do this,
this and this.
And then also like she was asingle mom for most of my life,
so that also right, like she hadto kind of take on both roles
like mom, dad, and so just likethat upbringing also just made
(22:15):
me grow into like more of themasculine energy and you know
that made it hard for me to justbe like like we've talked about
, like okay, like it's okay toto let another person you know
solve a problem for me orwhatever.
So definitely like upbringingtoo, right, another big one.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
The way we've watched the menand women in our lives affects
us tremendously more than weknow and enters our subconscious
, enters our archetypical realm,conscious, enters our
(22:59):
archetypical realm, enters ourphysical body and we might not
even remember a lot of thethings we've learned.
But that's such an importantprocess that you're going
through is looking at.
You know, what did I learn frommy mother?
What did I learn from theabsence of my father?
Right.
And what am I willing to take?
Take and what am I willing tolet go of?
Right.
So now you have to go throughyour own inventory of what makes
(23:23):
sense, because there's animmense value in in working and
providing for your family as asingle mother.
Immense that I mean, oh my gosh.
Right, like the amount ofrespect and honor that your
mother deserves for for doingthat, providing for your family
as a single mother Immense value.
I mean, oh my gosh.
Right, like the amount ofrespect and honor that your
mother deserves for doing thatright.
And how can?
If you got to play with thatand you got to rewrite some of
(23:46):
it, how could you imagine thatshe might do that while still
respecting her femininity, whilestill allowing help in, while
still allowing, teaching youtime to relax, to put up your
feet, to take a bath when youneed to, to show up in the
morning, right?
(24:07):
Part of it is not even like.
It's not even in the actions.
It's in how we take those sameactions in the actions.
It's in how we take those sameactions right.
There's a way of like you coulddrive stressed or you could
drive relaxed.
You're still driving right,you're still doing the same
thing, but how are you in yourbody right?
(24:28):
How are you putting food on thetable?
Are you doing it in a soft andgentle and nurturing way, or are
you like, angry about it andstressed out and like eating
rushed right, like it's?
It's not so much about theactions that we're taking, it's
in the frequency that carrythose actions.
(24:48):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I love that, because you mentioned like okay, you're
going to be driving anyway,right, so what can we do to
still like not be so?
I feel like also like not be sotough on ourselves in a way,
like those expectations that weput on ourselves, right, like I
have to do this, I have to.
(25:10):
We mentioned like this has tobe perfect, I have to, right, so
just like those expectationsthat we put on ourselves too, um
, and kind of balance it outwith I don't know doing
something you enjoy, right,taking a break, and there's just
a reframing of it, right?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So, like Byron, katie's work is a great resource
for looking at expectations ofourselves or of others, right?
It's like you get to look atwhat that expectation is and
question it.
Right, challenge yourself inquestioning it.
(25:50):
Who said that?
Where did that come from?
Is that true?
Is it true?
And then she takes you.
I love it because she takes youthrough this process of really
challenging yourself to see ifthose thoughts, those belief,
systems are true.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I love that.
I love that because, yeah, andthat's really helpful because
sometimes if and I always givemy own examples because I don't
want to generalize listeners intheir experience I'm like for me
, like if I'm having like asuper busy day and I always have
a checklist of things that Ihave to do, I do have to
practice reframing sometimesbecause, let's say, I have
(26:32):
something on my checklist andI'm like, okay, it has to get
done today.
I'm putting that pressure on me, like okay, I have to do this.
But then sometimes I just haveto reframe and be like you know
what?
Like well, what's gonna, what'sgonna happen if I do this
tomorrow?
Like is it, it's gonna be okay,right, like once you start kind
of like questioning thosethoughts that come into your
(26:55):
mind and at the end of the day,like it's gonna be okay, it's
gonna be fine, Right, workingwith whatever outside higher
power also comes into play andis also really helpful, because
you remember that it's not allup to you and I had this you're
(27:22):
sharing from yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so I'll share a little thing that I had years
ago.
My daughter brought home fromschool a little seed it was
either an orange or a lemon seedor something a citrus seed and
she planted it in this pot thatwe had in the kitchen and this
(27:42):
thing didn't.
Nothing came, I think like alittle leaf came of it and we
watered it and we, you know,sang to it and all the things
trying to make this plant grow,and nothing happened, like it
was making no progress.
And then we left for the summer.
We were gone for a month and ahalf, so this plant was getting
(28:05):
no water and like I don't thinkthe window was even open, just
sun.
And when we came back it waslike a foot tall, tall, like it
had leaves and like it made hugeprogress.
And it really hit me.
I go back to this plant so often.
Now it's now we moved to ahouse, so now it's in the
(28:26):
backyard, backyard and it'sbeautiful.
It doesn't have any fruit, butit has lots of leaves and it's
really tall.
And I go back to that plantoften and reminding myself that
I'm not in charge, constantly,be like nagging at something or
(28:48):
taking care of something to seeit grow right.
It's like connecting to natureis like the best way to remember
that so much is out of ourcontrol and so much is out of
our hands.
And that's a good thing, becausewe get stuck in this illusion
(29:12):
that we are in control, thatwe're in charge, that we are
responsible for so much morethan we would ever be
responsible or should beresponsible for, and we pick
that up as kids, right?
You mentioned that.
We pick up that we'reresponsible for our parents
feelings, our parents anger, andour parents happiness and our
(29:33):
friends.
You know, if our friends hasfeelings, we're told, as you
know, oh, you made him feel bador oh, go, like there's so much
on us, versus takingresponsibility for our own stuff
and owning those things andpaying attention to our own
needs.
(29:54):
I think if we did that, we'd bein a much better place.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I agree, like just kind of accepting, like
sometimes you're not going to bein control of everything and
things we're never in control ofeverything, like, and it's okay
, like you don't have to be incontrol of everything, yeah yeah
yeah, so what, what, um, whatis something that listeners
(30:23):
could do or start to?
I don don't know.
Like, how do we kind of likebegin to work on our energy or
like is there any small thingswe could do?
Like what can we do?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, so, I think the first part of listening in is
it's simple, it's not easy forus to do and I think noticing
that it's not easy is a goodstep.
But pausing, pausing throughoutyour day, pausing in the car
(30:59):
before you start your engine,pausing when you go to the
bathroom, right, like payingattention to being in our bodies
and taking note of what thatfeels like and also taking note
of oh, I, you know, oh, I heardthis podcast earlier and she
(31:19):
said that you know to pause andit's been three days and I
haven't done it, done it right.
It's like why is it sochallenging to do that right?
So pausing, um, laying down forfive minutes and breathing,
(31:40):
this is all like preliminarypractices of listening to your
body and listening to yourenergy and giving your.
And it's like when you it's,you know, when you go on a date
with someone new, like gettingto know them right.
So much, so many of us we justwe don't do that.
(32:01):
We don't practice listening toour body.
So pausing, that's like.
That is the biggest thing I'llrecommend In terms of listening
to specific symptoms.
Like I said, I'm happy to sharemy little booklet on PMS
(32:22):
symptoms and what they mean sothat it can.
You can start like translatingthrough um and then I'll also
I'd recommend um.
There's a book called thequeen's code which I love.
I highly recommend that book interms of like um, female, male
(32:45):
in relationships and how tohonor yourself as a queen and
how to honor your partner as theking and what that looks like
and how that changes therelationship.
And the female brain is alsoanother great book that I love
and it really shows howdifferent we are on a
(33:09):
physiological level and abiological level.
We're very, very different andso when you start seeing that
physically, I think it alsogives a lot of support and
reasoning as to why we need,emotionally and energetically,
the things that we need and whyand how to honor our
(33:33):
counterparts, um, in what theyneed.
Because, because a lot of thetimes we'll also get mad at them
for not being like us.
Right, when I talking, I'mtalking male, female
relationship here.
So just to be clear, but inmale and female relationship,
we're so angry at them that theydon't wash the dishes the same
(33:56):
way or run the household thesame way or get things done the
same way that we do, but we holdthe standard for them that we
hold for ourselves and they arenot physically are.
They're not the same as we are.
They just are not likephysically they're not.
(34:20):
So I think that's a reallyimportant thing to also consider
when we talk about male andfemale energies yeah, I need to
remind myself of that.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Right, like he's not washing the dishes, like I would
not cleaning up, like, like,okay, he's not you like he's, oh
gosh.
Thank you for that reminderyeah, yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And if we honor that he's not you and that he's not
the perfect female that weexpect him to be, we'd be so
much happier and we'd have suchsuch better relationships.
Yeah, and to see what they do,that is that that we value right
(35:13):
, like.
Let's like go back to the, towhat you said, allowing and
structure right.
So for me and for me it's evenmore because my partner is a
Capricorn and I'm a Pisces, sohe has not just being male, but
but he's also, he has thatstructural, astrological aspect
of him and I have not just beingfemale, but also the, the
(35:35):
Piscean flow, like watery energyto me.
So I love to visualize it as heis the riverbanks, so that my
water has space to flow in.
And I think that when we letourselves flow and we let them
hold us and not try to controlhow they hold us, because they
(35:57):
just want us to be happy andthey just want to love us and
they just want to see us do ourthing, they really do.
I mean, they really do.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They're pretty simple .
Yeah, I'm a capricorn, so I seewhat you, I know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, so for you it's gonna be even more challenging,
right, because for you, how doyou find the feminine aspect of
the capricorn, which is like aearthy structural sign, right,
you, you're, you're all aboutthat structure.
So what does that look likefrom a feminine perspective?
Yeah, um, I don't know and youcan start start journaling about
(36:40):
that, start like finding thatwithin you and and you know, I
mean you can even look at, youknow, maybe like architectural
magazines, right, like lookthrough and see how different
architects build theirstructures, right.
(37:01):
Or I mean even to like let's goback to nature for a second.
Nature is very structured, butit doesn't look like a straight
building.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, that's true.
Okay, um, well, thank you somuch.
I love this conversation andit's definitely something to
think about, even like forlisteners, and so this is going
to be different for everyone.
But if this resonated with youand you want more information or
you're more curious, where canpeople find you and, you know,
(37:34):
get your freebies and all thegood stuff?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So my website is quantumdoctororcom and you can
find this freebie workbook therewhat your PMS is trying to tell
you, or your PMS is trying totell you something.
I think it's called, and youcan always email me
(37:58):
quantumdoctoror at gmailcom, andI'm also on Instagram as
quantumdoctoror and I'd love totalk with you and help you work
through any physical stuff orrelationship stuff or owning
your truth, finding your truth,owning your body.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Awesome.
Thank you so much and againthank you for coming on to my
podcast and just sharing yourknowledge.
It was very helpful.
It really was, so thank youonce again.
I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Thank you.
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