November 15, 2022 • 56 mins
I’m joined on this episode by Emily Morrow, blood work expert, IHP (Integrative Health Practitioner) & FNTP (Functional Nutrition Training Practitioner). Emily has a thriving online practice where she works with clients and trains other practitioners in the expert use of blood work to find the root cause of health conditions.
Emily has talked at conferences across the country and has built a knowledge base that is helping to change how blood work is used in functional medicine.
We break down “normal” lab results that don’t match how you feel and show how to read common markers for early signs of insulin resistance, thyroid drag, gut inflammation, mold patterns, and more. Emily Morrow shares a practical sequence for stabilising glucose, supporting digestion, lowering toxic load, and tackling deeper issues with clarity.
• why reference ranges drift and hide early dysfunction
• fasting insulin and TG:HDL ratio as early metabolic flags
• thyroid clues in calcium, AST/ALT, and lipids
• cholesterol’s link to hormone synthesis and fertility
• where to start when symptoms are vague
• metals displacing minerals and blocking metabolism
• Bartonella patterns and supportive botanicals
• mold signals in CO2, urinary pH, ADH, specific gravity
• gut markers: globulin, BUN, and hs‑CRP
• a stepwise plan: stabilize, soothe, drain, bind, then target
• simple ways to reduce daily exposures and track progresslth.
Listen and find out how you can eliminate blood sugar dysfunction, balance hormones, improve immediate & long-term health and even address autoimmune disorders.
You can find Emily on Instagram @emilymorrow or on her website:
https://www.theemilymorrow.com/
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This podcast is for general informational purposes only. It should not be used to self-diagnose, and it is not a substitute for a medical exam, cure, treatment, diagnosis, prescription, or recommendation. Always seek the advice of a physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to this week's episode.
We're covering lamb blood workand finding the root cause for
illness and really anynon-optimum health situation.
So it's a fascinating subject.
I have a very special guest,extremely knowledgeable, and a
longtime practitioner who'sgotten hundreds, if not
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thousands, of results on peopleand helping them improve their
health and life.
As a blood work and lamp expert,she's gonna explain how to use
your blood work that you can getfrom your doctor each year to
get to the root cause ofillness, and really, as they
said, any body dysfunction.
(00:52):
And even beyond that, how tooptimize your health from this
information and get the most outof your life.
Her name is Emily Marl, andtoday we're covering
specifically how to balanceblood sugar, thyroid
optimization, hormonal health,lime, mold detox, herbicide,
heavy metal, and a bunch more,actually.
(01:12):
And we're also gonna cover whyyour lamps may look good, or you
may be told that everything isin the healthy range, um, yet
you don't feel healthy, orsomething is going on that isn't
resolving in your health.
And um, you know, why that isand how to navigate that type of
communication and actually getfully optimized in your health
(01:36):
and fitness level.
Okay, without further ado, hereis Emily Morrow.
All right.
So, Emily, thank you so much forbeing here today with us.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, your expertise with bloodwork and all the work you do
with clients and what I've seenand heard from you at uh the
seminar I went to with umCellcore was pretty amazing.
So, can you give us a little bitof background, a little bit
about your journey, your story,and how you came to be what you
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are and what you do?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
For sure.
So I feel like if you talk toanybody in the health space
practitioners, they're therebecause it was part of their own
history, part of their ownstory.
And so my health story couldhave a bunch of little details
in the midst from being reallysick as a kid, having my tonsils
removed, breaking numerousbones, concussions, ear
(02:35):
infections, tons of things as akid, but really my health
collapsed after college.
I felt like I was kind ofrunning on stress hormones in
college.
I played collegiate soccer atthe University of Tennessee.
And so I was surviving.
I was surviving by taking fourto six Tylenol or Advil a day.
And yeah, my gut disaster.
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And they put me on birthcontrol.
Little did I know the sideeffects my freshman year because
I lost my menstrual cycle.
And so they were like solution,birth control.
So birth control paired with thestress of keeping a scholarship
and maintaining good grades andbeing 14 hours away from home
and going through just a lot oflife stress.
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We lost my stepsister when I wasin college to suicide.
So mental health is somethingthat's really important to me,
and just a lot of things thatwere thrown my direction in a
very short span of time.
And so, with all that to say, Igraduated and my health just
absolutely collapsed.
And I was diagnosed after seeingnumerous specialists with
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Hashimoto's, which most peopleare familiar with, the
autoimmune thyroid disorder ofhypothyroid.
And then I was also diagnosedwith, it doesn't have like an
official autoimmune name, theyjust call it autoimmune liver.
It wasn't lupus, but autoimmuneliver disease.
I had astronomically high liverenzymes.
My body put on about 40 to 50pounds in a year.
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My eyes, my palms, my hands.
I've told this story a fewtimes.
I was like in the beautifulmountains of Jackson Hole,
Wyoming, on this horse, shouldbe enjoying every moment.
And I got off and I just broke.
I was in devastating tearsbecause there was anxiety, there
was panic, there was depression,my palms were yellow, my eyes
were yellow.
I felt like I wasn't me.
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And so that really just jumpstarted my desire to get into
this space because so manydoctors said there was nothing
you could do.
I think we've all heard that atone point or another.
Um, so you know, you go, youseek out a bunch of people, you
learn a little bit, you move on,and I came across this doctor
who was probably like the 20thdoctor in the line of people
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I've tried to get informationfrom who sat me down and went
line by line with me with bloodwork.
And so that really was thepinnacle of opening my eyes of a
doctors are not reading thesepanels properly.
They don't know what they mean.
They can give you so muchinsight and information about
the human body and clues intowhat's going on from a deeper
root cause perspective, and thenguidance that was beyond just
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here's a band-aid.
Because I think even in theholistic world, we've seen where
instead of a medication, here isa nutraceutical supplement
that's still a band-aid.
You know, you can take turmericfor pain, but we want to start
asking the question, why isthere pain?
Why do we have these underlyingroot issues?
And so I just started talkingand sharing about my own story
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and journey on social platformsand in my local community, doing
talks at local businesses andstarted getting clients.
And, you know, same story as me.
A lot of them came to me withthe same story, and I started
running labs.
And so the talk that you heardat Eco was a sweet, sweet, sweet
human being that came to me thatwas struggling with a lot of the
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same things I was, a lot of skinstuff with her too, trauma,
overwhelm in medical school.
And, you know, we look at ourlabs, and there's clues for
mold, there's clues for Lyme,there's clues for Babesia,
there's clues for heavy metals,there's clues for parasites, and
lo and behold, you startsupporting their body from a
foundational perspective,chipping away at some of these
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root causes, their numbers startto balance, the skin starts to
clear up, their anxiety startsto diminish, they start
digesting their food andsleeping and all the things
we're looking for when it comesto health and vitality.
So that's probably the mostcondensed, shortened version of
how we've gotten to this pointtoday.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
Gotcha.
Wow, sounds pretty intense,actually.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Yeah, it was for a little while.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Well, great that you've accomplished what you've
accomplished and established somuch knowledge in the area to
help yourself, help others.
It's awesome.
So that's really great.
So yeah, I definitely would liketo take advantage of some of
your knowledge regarding bloodwork and how it can be used in a
practical sense in a person'slife, you know, to the degree
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that they obviously maybe thecommon person who isn't doing
this as a profession doesn'twant to be expert or need to be.
But what are some things theycan be aware of?
And let's just start withsomething that's very common to
people (07:16):
insulin resistance, um, the the overweight amount of
people overweight in thesociety, how it influences our
health.
What can you tell us about thatfor a starter?
SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
That's very important because glucose
regulation and insulinresistance is one of the number
one predictors for like 10 ofthe most complex diseases,
cardiovascular disease being oneof them, and then that can kind
of funnel down into metabolicdysfunction.
And there is a lot of peoplewalking around with insulin
resistance and pre-diabetes, andthey have no idea.
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They have absolutely no idea.
They may not manifest withsymptoms for a very long time.
And most doctors don't run themarker fasting insulin.
And they're looking at twomarkers predominantly for
insulin resistance or diabetesif they even know what insulin
resistance is, and it's glucoseand hemoglobin A1C.
But there's a lot of othermarkers on a blood panel that
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can indicate if we're notmanaging glucose well.
One of those is fasting insulin.
Ideally, we want it around thattwo to five range.
Most people will say you want itat least under eight, but
there's people with fastinginsulins in the 12s, 13s, 14s,
15s.
And it's one of the most agingthings in the body, insulin is.
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And it forces the body to workin overtime to a point where
eventually that signaling systemand communication just comes to
a halt.
And then the insulin can't getinto the cells and attach to
those receptors.
It's like a key in a hole.
And so it's just floating in thebloodstream.
And then we have symptoms ofhyperglycemia and hypoglycemia,
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high blood sugar, low bloodsugar, where we eat a meal, it
should spike our glucose.
Insulin is secreted from thepancreas and it brings it back
down, and that's not happening.
And that is the case for a lotof people, even if they're
ripped to shreds.
I used to work with CrossFitathletes and some NHL players,
and they look super healthy, butthey were in the prediabetes
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ranges.
And so fasting insulin is areally important marker.
And then the other two markersthat can really give you a lot
of information that's on prettymuch anybody's blood work, is
the ratio between triglycerides,which is in the cholesterol
lipid panel, and HDL.
And so when you have a ratiothat is above 2.5, let's say
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their triglycerides are superhigh because they're not
digesting their fat well orthere is prediabetes going on,
your HDL, which is your goodcholesterol, is way too low, you
have a large gap, a large ratio.
You ideally want that as closeto like a 1.5 ratio as you can.
So for example, if HDL was 40,you would not really want your
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triglycerides greater than 100.
If they are triglycerides above100 or that ratio gap too large,
very good indicator of insulinresistance.
And pretty much anybody can lookat their labs and do that quick
math.
unknown (10:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
And so somebody shouldn't feel backed off about
looking at that and you know,making a comment on it or
saying, hey, I want to addressthis to their professional
they're working with, right?
Okay, great.
And then the first one youmentioned, the fasting insulin,
is that common to most bloodwork?
Is that something you have tospecially request?
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
You have to specially request it.
It's really sad.
It's kind of one of those caseswhere when you go in and you're
like, I want to see how I'mdoing from an insulin and
glucose perspective, they'reprobably gonna run glucose, fast
and glucose, and a hemoglobinA1C, which is around your two to
three month average of yourglucose markers.
Now, why that's an issue is ifsomeone's on a roller coaster
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and they have highs, highs, andlows, lows, that average is
gonna look pretty spot on.
And so fasting, a lot of peoplemay have a solid fasting
glucose, which is below 86.
We really want a fasting glucosebelow 86.
So they go into their doctor andthey're like, I'm golden.
I've got an 87.
Check.
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Hemoglobin A1C, they're runningin the 200s and then
hypoglycemia 50s from lack ofbalanced meals or eating too
much or not eating enough.
And then you take that 150 and ahypoglycemia range of 60,
average it out, their hemoglobinA1C looks okay.
So we get into issues here wherepeople are not able to tell or
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see that they have a potentialinsulin resistance situation
going on.
SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
Makes sense.
Yeah.
And I've heard that insulinresistance shows up in the body
before the high glucose.
Is that correct?
So you could find it first?
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
Correct.
And this is kind of out therewith how long it takes,
different perspectives, saydifferent amounts of time, but
there's been a few situationswhere it can be like anywhere
from five to seven to ten tothirteen years before the
glucose and hemoglobin A1C fullycatches up.
Whereas fasting insulin, you'regonna get a definitive answer
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right there.
And so we really want it thattwo to five.
Now, type one diabetes, becausethey're not making insulin,
that's where there's that two inplay.
They may be like zero or one or0.5, right?
They may still produce a littlebit, but also people that have
like in your community, theremay be a few in the 1.5 range
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because they're not eating a lotof carbs.
So we're not seeing a change ininsulin.
And you're very familiar withthis.
Certain protein is very insulindriving.
And people have been shockedwhen they eat a whey protein
shake.
It has zero grams of carbs andzero grams of sugar, but their
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glucose shoots up to 160.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
Yes, I've seen that many times actually.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yeah.
So, you know, it depends on whatsomeone's diet is.
Keto can play a role in that,but we really want to shoot for
two to five on that fastinginsulin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
Okay, interesting.
Okay, and then when a person is,I thought you were gonna say
like two to seven months, andthen you said like seven to ten
years or whatever the number wasthere.
So at that time, those manyyears before when you have this
insulin, high insulin, insulinresistance starting to be
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created, that's the time tocatch it way before it gets to
the point where it's affectingyour glucose chronically.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Absolutely.
You want to catch it early.
That's why we're in this spaceof preventative medicine.
We're choosing to make diet,lifestyle, exercise changes
before it becomes disease.
So, yeah, I mean, catching itearly is huge.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Good.
And then um, and a person, justto make it crystal clear for
anybody listening who wants totake advantage of this, you'd
simply ask your doctor or nursepractitioner or whoever's
running your labs to run fastinginsulin as part of the blood
work?
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
Yes, with the notion that they may bill you because
our insurance system is just alittle bit broken and they don't
like to cover a lot of markers.
You know, you ask them to run athyroid panel and you get TSH
back.
I want a full thyroid panel,please run it, and they only run
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TSH.
Or if they do run the othermarkers, then you have a bill in
the mail.
This happened to me a few times.
It made me so irritated for$500for Ferritin, B12, and Fulate.
And you're like, really?
So I also was like, there has tobe another way.
And so I partnered with a labcalled Avexia Diagnostics and
were able to run labs at a verycheap cost.
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So, like a CBC and CMP, basiclabs,$15.
Add fasting insulin for$10,$25.
Right.
Yeah.
It's really not that expensive.
It's just that uh-huh, insuranceand the medical system, they
drive those prices upastronomically.
SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Yeah, no, understood.
That's amazing.
And we'll have that informationin the notes and everything so
people can take advantage ofthat.
Because I've actually neverheard of being able to run those
at that cost, at that low of acost.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Well, this makes a lot of sense.
And then um, so let's say aperson is you know moving on to
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a different area with lab workand whatnot.
Let's say a person is looking totry to balance.
We have a lot of people come inwith thyroid issues.
They've been told they're gonnaneed to be on medication or get
surgery, or their biopsy saidXYZ.
Do you have some things to maybehelp a person know like you can
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with the insulin way beforehandthat something's going on with
their thyroid?
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
You can.
And I'm glad you said beforehandbecause it takes, and most
people don't aren't aware ofthis and don't know this, but it
takes a 25% reduction in thethyroid before it starts to
manifest in blood work.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
Really?
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
So now people are walking around, their labs look
okay, quote, okay, their thyroidlabs look okay, but it may be
functioning at 77%.
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
So 77% below what it should be to be healthy.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Correct.
So, like if your thyroid isawesome, it's working great,
it's functioning at 100%.
Imagine if it took a hitradiation, heavy metals, other
contributors, and so thathundred has now decreased to
functioning at 77%.
So you've lost a lot offunction.
And that's not great becauseit's not showing up on labs yet.
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So you don't know why you don'tfeel good.
And your thyroid's responsiblefor activating mitochondria in
every other organ.
So not only is your thyroid notworking well, your heart's not
working well, your liver's notworking well, your kidneys are
not working well, your brain'snot working well, your spleen's
not working well, yourreproductive system's not
working well, it's allconnected.
So it's it's vitally importantto have clues early on.
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And there's a few of them.
Granted, it's kind of like aprocess of elimination approach
when it comes to the thyroid,but when you're looking at a
panel as a whole with likemarkers that people typically
might run, if you see elevatedliver enzymes, that's gonna be
your AST and ALT, that isresponsible for converting your
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inactive thyroid to activethyroid hormon, your T4 into
your T3.
So if your liver is struggling,it's also gonna impact the
thyroid.
So that's one.
But one of my favorite markersthat you tend to see very early
on is calcium.
And calcium is run on almosteverybody's blood work panel.
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And part of the reason why isbecause the parathyroid, which
sits, their glands that sitright on the thyroid, they are
responsible for balancingcalcium and phosphorus.
And so if that's not happening,then we have an imbalance in
calcium and phosphorus.
And the range for calcium is 9.2to 9.8.
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And so if it's outside of thatrange, it can be a thyroid
issue.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
Wow, that's a pretty narrow range.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
Yes, it is.
And we see a lot of people with10.0 calcium or 11.0, and then
there's some sort of signalingsystem or problem that's been
disrupted with the thyroid.
And that's a very good marker tolook at.
Another set of markers goingback to the lipid panel is your
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cholesterol and LDL.
And there's a lot ofmisinformation about cholesterol
and LDL.
We need it.
We don't want to have a panelwhere we don't have any because
it's responsible for thesynthesis of our steroid
hormones.
But elevated levels can also behypothyroid.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
So if you see total cholesterol, oh yeah, so it's
not even something necessarilyrelated to a person eating too
much of something that's gonnachange it.
It could just be the thyroidsnot doing what it should be.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of littlemechanisms that get into the
real science side of things ofwhy, but with those markers
specifically, it may havenothing to do with like plaque
on the arteries and everythingto do with an underfunctioning
thyroid that's driving thosemarkers up.
Yet they go in and what are theygiven?
A statin or baby aspirin orsomething like that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
Yeah, it just compounds the situation, really.
SPEAKER_00 (20:35):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So those are kind of earlydetective markers, but most of
the time, if people are lookingto make lifestyle changes, they
already don't feel great.
That's what got them into thisspace to begin with.
So typically, because I run labson every single person I see and
that enters into our practice.
And so it's not uncommon for meto see a thyroid panel that is
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all over the place.
It's very rare to see a normalthyroid panel.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Wow.
How interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's very common.
We have people come in withfatigue or something going on
with their uh emotional health,and they've seen somebody, and
thyroid has come up.
So that's why I wanted to askyou about it with a blood work.
Those markers make a lot ofsense.
Yeah.
And then something you mentionedabout it throwing off
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cholesterol, and the cholesterolhelps with our certain hormones.
Um, which hormones were wereferring to?
I think you said the steroidhormones.
SPEAKER_00 (21:38):
Correct.
The steroid hormones, yeah.
So there's a lot of women wheretheir total cholesterol is maybe
130.
It's really, really low.
And it's usually the people whocome from a background of
trauma, stress, long-timechronic infections, long-time
old toxicity, more so justnutrient depletion.
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Their body has been either in astarvation season, an
over-exercising season.
And so when you're being chasedby a bear or there's high
cortisol, what's the first thingto be shut down?
Your reproductive system.
It's very hard to get pregnantin that way.
And so that's why we needenough.
We need enough cholesterol tosynthesize those really
important steroid hormones.
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And so with those women, wealways have being men too, that
conversation of how much are weeating?
What does our stress levels looklike?
What does our exercise looklike?
How much are we sleeping?
Those factors in the big biggerpicture are important.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
So the uh use of blood work withhelping a person have a child
create fertility.
This would start with looking atthings like where is your what's
your thyroid doing?
How's your liver working?
Things like that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Just because the other markers, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Those are needed when you mention fertility.
We need progesterone to getpregnant and to stay pregnant.
It was once called likeprogestation.
And progesterone and the thyroidare best friends.
I kind of educate in that waywhere things are either enemies
or they're best friends.
And the progesterone and thyroidare best friends.
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And so if the thyroid goes intothat hyporange, it's gonna pull
progesterone down with it.
And vice versa.
If the progesterone gets pulleddown due to cortisol or excess
adrenal stress, that typicalprocess of making progesterone
is gonna shift and it's gonna beused for the cortisol pathway.
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Well, progesterone goes down,pulls the thyroid down with it.
So oftentimes with theseinfertility situations, there's
a lot of things can that canlead to infertility, but so much
of it does come back toprogesterone, the thyroid and
the nutrients that are neededfor optimal functioning of both.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Wow, amazing.
It's this harmonious balancethat has to happen.
And uh, you know, it soundscomplicated, but it seems like
there are also some very keythings you can just kind of zero
in on to balance a lot ofdifferent factors in the body.
Would that be correct?
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Absolutely, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (24:22):
Right.
Um, you know, we covered acouple topics here.
A lot of clients that we havecome in to see us don't
necessarily know exactly whythey're feeling non-optimum or
their energy is low or they keepputting on weight or whatever.
What would you say to someonewho can't come to you and say,
oh, I know I'm having thyroidtrouble, or I know I have
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trouble with sugar and insulin?
What type of place would aperson like that start?
SPEAKER_00 (24:51):
Million dollar question, right?
Um so there's a few differentplaces to start.
Number one, I love the symptomsthat the body gives us.
They're alarm systems, they'reclues.
So let's just put weight lossresistance on the table.
We start to break that down ofwhat can cause that.
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Metabolic dysfunction is one ofthe big reasons because it's
what leads to obesity.
And if your glucose is high,your cortisol is high.
Those are also best friends,your stress and your glucose.
And the body cannot burn fat ina high sugar, high cortisol
state.
It just can't.
It can't tap into those fatreserves.
So that's number one is lookingat those markers we just
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discussed with metabolicdysfunction.
Then when you kind of dig deeperand you get into these root
causes that can lead to weightloss resistance, it could be any
of them, but there's a few thatare very key.
One is gonna be heavy metals.
And the reason why is because itcauses the receptors to be
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filled with the metals versusreally important minerals that
are needed for blood sugarbalance.
So think of things like chromiumthat's needed for proper blood
sugar and magnesium for thenervous system, and selenium,
which is needed for the thyroid.
These metals come in and theydisplace those really essential
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minerals, and then we sufferfrom, again, hormone issues or
thyroid problems as a result.
So that would be the secondthing that I would maybe look
at.
And there's a few different waysto test for metals.
One is through a hair tissuemineral analysis test.
A lot of metals will come outthrough the hair.
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Another way would be a urinarytest.
Some metals come out through theurine.
And then there's also somemetals that can show up in the
blood.
So if someone wants to know, aremetals playing a role in weight
loss resistance or blood sugarimbalance, they could look into
those tests.
Another really key one isBartonella.
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Are you familiar withBartonella?
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Not it, not very much.
Give me some more information.
How does that work?
I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
So Bartonella is a bacteria.
It's a gram-negative bacteria,and it's considered a Lyme
coinfection.
So it's within the coinfectionfamily of Lyme disease.
It's termed the cat scratchdisease because a lot of animals
and cats carry it, but it canalso be spread through fleas,
lice, ticks, mosquitoes, all ofthese other ways.
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Bartonella goes in and infectsthe red blood cells.
It also will go and accumulatein the liver and spleen and
decrease their function.
Liver's needed for glucosebalance, liver's needed for
hormone balance, the spleen'sneeded for immune balance.
And if those really importantorgans are being overwhelmed
from this bacteria, theirfunction goes down and we start
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gaining weight.
We start packing on the pounds.
And that's very common.
That's one of the most commonthings we see that leads to
weight loss resistance isBartonella bacteria.
The only downside to that isit's very hard to test for.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
Very difficult to test for.
But there are a few clues.
If someone sees anemia on theirlabs, like iron anemia, we see
how common that is, right?
unknown (28:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Or if we see elevated liver enzymes, AST,
ALT, that bacteria can causethose issues.
So there's clues within theselabs of blood work that can
point to it.
Um and really, regardless if youcan get a positive test, there's
herbs that people can add in tohelp.
And really the top two that wereally are cordyceps mushroom.
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Really great for Bartonella.
Um, another one is Japaneseknotweed.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
So those two are really great to just kind of
help decrease that bacterialload, which will just get the
body back into balance.
Another thing people can look atis mold.
I don't know how familiar youraudience is with mold, but if
people move into a molded home,okay, okay.
If people move into a moldyhome, and all of a sudden
they're like, what is going on?
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I don't feel like myself, myweight's through the roof, I'm
got vertigo and dizziness andthese static electrical shocks
and tremors, and they just don'tfeel like themselves.
And that can also throw offblood sugar.
The body can go into a state ofoveractive nervous system
function.
And so, as a protectivemechanism, the pounds just start
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hacking on.
So these are just all things tostart thinking about and
exploring that I feel like wassuch an aha moment for even me
of like, I'm eating well, I'mexercising well, I'm sleeping
well, I feel like I'm doing allthese right things, and the
needle's not moving.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And as far As the mold goes,I've heard that can hide inside
of things in the body like Lymeor parasites or whatever.
Is there some blood work thatcan be used to help be an early
detection system for mold aswell?
SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
Yes, there is.
So if we go back to parasites,like you mentioned, because they
can hold their weight inbasically everything we've
talked about thus far.
They can hold their weight inmetals, they can hold their
weight in mycotoxins, they canhold their weight in Lyme
bacteria.
And the two markers that areyour parasite markers are your
eosinophils, short EOS, and yourbasophils, short B-A-S-O-S.
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If they had a name tag, becausethose are part of your soldiers,
your white blood cells, it wouldbe like parasite fighters.
The only other thing they reallydo is like allergies and asthma.
But um, if those are elevated,like basophils, if it's one or
above, eosinophils above three,parasites are present.
So then that's a whole otherthing you got to add into the
bigger picture.
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But from there, mold does havevery specific things that
impacts on a blood work panel.
And two of the ones that arevery definitive for us that we
look at are carbon dioxide, andI'll touch on why in a second,
and the urinary pH.
So in a urinalysis, you know howthey spit out that pH?
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
Okay.
So if we look at CO2, carbondioxide, um, my sports
background, that's why I like tohave analogies with sports, but
a sprinter is sprinting down atrack and they can only go so
long until lactic acid builds upin those muscles and they are
deprived of oxygen.
They eventually have to stop.
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And so when there is mold, itcreates an acidic environment in
the body.
So in that acidic environment,we see a lower carbon dioxide, a
low CO2, below 25, and we see alow urinary pH.
So that urinary pH, ideally, wewant it as close to seven as
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possible.
And a lot of mold people willsee it 5.0, 6.0.
Those lower markers because ofthe acidity that the mold is
creating.
That's why there's brain fogwith mold.
A lot of the mold symptoms, ifyou really break down why
they're all there, it's lack ofoxygen.
Think of dizziness, think ofvertigo, think of joint pain.
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All of those are a lack ofoxygen.
So those are two of the mostdefinitive ones we look at.
Granted, we can't say you havemold because both of those are
out of range, but it should getpeople thinking in a new way.
Um, another one, because of theway mold affects your
anti-diuretic hormone, you maysee variations in the ADH
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hormone.
So mold will impact that.
It's why kids wet the bed whenthey're in a moldy situation,
because of the way moldinfluences ADH.
So you may see an ADH out ofbalance on labs, and you may see
a specific gravity.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that marker, but that
marker is basically also a partof the urinalysis.
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And we tend to see it like1.005, 1.006, very, very low,
low end with mold because of theway it influences ADH and the
body's ability to actuallyabsorb the water from a cellular
standpoint.
Um, and that's also why whenyou're talking about what can
people do with these situations,why saline IVs or mineral IVs or
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choline IVs, all these thingsthat get minerals into the cells
helps people so much whenthey're dealing with mold.
So it's hydrating them.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
Right.
It displaces the mold and thecell.
Is that part of the choline?
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Yep.
Choline, like if you flood thebody with like choline from
phosphatidylcholine or IVphosphatidylcholine, it goes in
there, the choline comes intothe cell and it says, hey, mold
metals, mycotoxins, get out.
Get out.
Um, which is great.
We want to bind it, be onbinders and things like that, so
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it's not free-floating.
Um, same thing with minerals.
Those minerals go in and theydisplace the mold, they displace
the mycotoxins.
Selenium's great for you know,displacing mercury and they're
forced to be peed out.
Um, that's why they'll often doprovoking testing with mycotoxin
panels, lime panels, metalpanels, because it likes to,
like you said, go hide itself inorgans and tissues in the
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lymphatic system.
So lymphatic massages and sawinfrared saunas and all these
things that can get it out oftissues to be able to sweat it
out or pee it out can help whenthey're trying to get testing
done to see what's going on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
Makes sense.
Makes a lot of sense.
I've heard so many people who wefind mold with or it comes up
saying that they wish they'dfound it many years ago because
they feel so different now thatthey're addressing it or broke
through a plateau that you knowthey've been struggling with or
didn't even know they have.
So I think that's a reallyimportant piece for a lot of
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people.
Now, these markers you mentionedthat, you know, to check for and
whatnot, are these things theperson would also have to ask
for specifically, or are thesepretty common?
SPEAKER_00 (35:16):
They're very common.
Those are a part of just thebasic lab panels.
And that's what I love aboutthis is most people, maybe not
everyone, a lot of people in thewellness world have like just
said, I'm not gonna have adoctor.
I'm never gonna go see a PCP.
But for the most part, on ayearly basis, you have a
physical and they will run basiclabs.
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Where people have been misled isthey run those labs and the
doctor gives them a phone callor flags it and says, Oh,
everything looks normal,everything looks good, you have
nothing to worry about.
But the ranges that they'regoing off of are so skewed.
They're based upon the sickestof the sick population because
they take an average.
And right now, one in three havedisease.
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So it's like, what are you beingcompared to?
Someone in a hospital bed orsomeone with vitality and like
wanting to thrive.
And so that's a big issue.
But that's why podcasts likethis and resources that are
like, no, no, no, no, no.
Look at your labs, takeresponsibility of those markers,
start marking them up andfiguring out what it's pointing
to.
But I like it because it'saccessible.
(36:20):
Almost anyone can get their PCPto run just, you know, a basic
CBC, CMP, and lipid cholesterolpanel.
That is covered by insurance.
So um, yeah, all those markersyou just mentioned are covered.
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Okay, great, great.
Um, and just to speak tosomething you just mentioned,
because I actually just heardthis a couple weeks ago.
It shocked me.
So uh and clarify this if it'sincorrect, but I've heard that
the blood panels used or theranges for blood panels to show
normal or healthy ranges havechanged over the years because
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the population has gottensicker, basically.
There's more chronic andinflammatory diseases, so the
blood work is different, butinstead of keeping it at the
range that is truly healthy,it's been re-averaged out over
the years.
Is that correct?
Or I know it's not correct, butis that what is happening to
your knowledge?
SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
That's what's happening.
And I did a post on thisrecently on my Instagram because
I get that question all the timelike, hey, my labs look good.
And I went and did this wholething about an article because
it's all over where you can goback and look at PubMed studies
from years and years and yearsago, and they'll say the optimal
range for white blood cells isfive to eight.
(37:40):
Like years and years and yearsand years and years ago.
Well, do you know what they arenow?
Three to eleven.
unknown (37:45):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
It's even broader.
So if someone has chronicillness with a white blood cell
four, and their doctor's like,it looks awesome.
Our range is three to eleven,and you're in range.
SPEAKER_01 (37:56):
Wow.
Oh my god, I don't even knowwhat to say to that.
SPEAKER_00 (38:00):
I know to meds.
SPEAKER_01 (38:02):
That's rough.
Well, that's why, like you said,the education piece, being
empowered with knowledge foryour own and for the health of
those that you you care about orknow, or whatever.
So um, okay, great.
Well, a little tangent there,but I think it's worth people
understanding that you kind ofhave to pay attention in order
to know that you're getting whatis correct, what is healthy for
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you and for your children, yourfamily, etc., right?
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
Yep, you do.
Yeah, taking responsibility forit.
SPEAKER_01 (38:32):
Yeah, thanks.
Okay, great.
So we we covered a lot of groundthere.
I did have just a couple otherthings that I wanted to bring up
regarding blood work and how uhhow it can be used in different
ways.
So, for example, one of thethings that we work with people
a lot on is digestive issues.
You know, uh almost everyone whowho comes in, whether they're
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working on weight loss or anautoimmune situation or some
other non-optimum healthsituation, has an aspect of a
dysfunctional gut, whetherthey've been diagnosed with IBS
or Crohn's or not, something'sgoing on.
How does blood work again foryou know, telling what's going
on, but also what are theprecursors somebody can pay
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attention to in that yearlycheckup to make sure they're
staying on top of things?
SPEAKER_00 (39:22):
Good question.
These markers are probably theones we use most often.
It's not to say that therearen't other ones, but the
combination of these typicallycan give us a lot of
information.
So the first one I always thinkof when it comes to digestion is
a marker called globulin.
You know, a lot of us have heardof like immunoglobulins.
Yeah.
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And we want it at least 2.4.
Most people are not at least2.4.
They're either 2.1 or less,typically.
And that is a big red flag forus of either they have low
hydrochloric acid production,they're not producing stomach
acid, there's a lot of digestivedistress, or there's leaky gut,
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intestinal permeability, wheretheir gut is damaged or inflamed
and they're not absorbing theirnutrients.
So then from there, when we seethat, we look at a few other
markers.
The next one is called B U N.
So it's urea nitrogen breakdown.
And we want that one 12 to 18.
And so if someone is below 12,they may not be making enzymes,
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amylase, lipase, protease.
So they're not breaking downtheir food.
They're not digesting it.
And then on the same token, ifthey're really high, that's not
great either.
That can also be low stomachacid or inflammation of the GI
tract.
With Crohn's, ulcerativecolitis, IBS, which is basically
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just we don't know what's wrongwith your gut.
So we're gonna throw a blanketdiagnosis at you.
Typically, with those people,you'll see inflammatory markers
that will elevate.
And one of those inflammatorymarkers is C reactive protein,
the highly sensitive one, CRP.
And you really want that markerless than one.
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And so with a lot ofinflammation in the body, the
gut as well, that can drive thatmarker up.
Now, what's been reallyinteresting as I, you know, I'm
I'm studying new like PubMedstudies that come out all the
time with this situation that'sgoing on in our world right now,
with you know exactly what I'mtalking about.
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I am always like, how is thisgonna impact the blood work?
Because how can we detect thingsearly on?
And then can our blood reflectprogress once we bring in
nutrients or support fromwhatever that infection caused?
And one of the things that it'screating is very high CRP values
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because of the way it's damagingthe lung tissue.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (41:58):
So I've had people where they got blood work done,
they started having symptomsabout five days later, then they
got sick.
Well, their blood work was donefive days before, and I look at
it and their CRP is 20.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
Wow, yeah.
And then I was like, okay, letme go look in PubMed.
And there's numerous studiesthat have come out in the past
few months.
We're recording this July 2022,but like March, April, May,
June, studies that have come outand shown that the elevation of
CRP can help reflect theseverity of the infection.
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And, you know, this smallerelevation of zero to 10, minor
infection.
Your symptoms aren't going to beas severe.
10 to 20, you're not going tofeel great, but you're probably
going to be able to handle it.
20 to 40, probably going to needsome third-party help.
And then they were saying thatpeople in the 50s to 100, those
are the ones they're seeing inhospital settings with severe
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loads and needing machines.
SPEAKER_01 (43:02):
Wow.
unknown (43:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:03):
Yeah.
So, you know, again, the bloodis giving us information that
there's inflammation going on.
And then you can track that overtime of, okay, let me support my
body, let me takeanti-inflammatories and things
that support mucus reducing.
Vitamin A is great for that.
And B propylis and vitamin C.
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Get labs done again four weekslater and see the progress in
the CRP.
What is that inflammation doing?
It's a CRP is also a greatmarker with anyone that I work
with Crohn's or colitis of howthey're doing.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
So those are probably the top three most
definitive ones.
There's other clues that you cankind of look at throughout.
For example, if they show a lotof anemia markers, low red blood
cells, low ferritin, lowhemoglobin, low hematocrit, why
are they not absorbing thosenutrients?
Is it because their gut isimpaired?
Is it because their gut isinflamed?
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So with those situations of justinflammation in the body,
hemoglobin and hematocrit arenaturally lower because we need
a healthy gut and a non-inflamedgut to absorb our nutrients.
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
Makes sense.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's you know, it'sinteresting.
There's so much information thatyou're giving about what to look
for and how to address thesedifferent things.
It can seem quite overwhelming.
But would I be correct in sayingthat if you hone in on and focus
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on one thing at a time and justimprove that, then over time,
eventually, you know, in mostcases, things will even out and
you'll get to the level ofhealth you want unless there's
something severely off.
SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
Yes, I would agree with you.
The only thing where I'm like, Ihope more education becomes
available is right now theexternal just assaults that
people have to deal with on adaily basis are making it to
where these minor changes,they're treading water
constantly.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Makes sense.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
The herbicides, the pesticides, the air pollution,
the chemicals, the metals andproducts, the fact that there is
supplements and foods thataren't tested after
manufacturing.
And so they're ingesting those,and then that's causing issues.
The water, so I mean, all thesethings where mentally take it
slow.
But I think that the more youcan just know your numbers and
(45:35):
know what it's pointing to andkind of fine-tune that based
upon your own needs, you reallystart to see changes over time.
But you're absolutely right.
You know, if someone is comingto you and they're highly
inflamed and their blood sugaris off, start tracking your
blood sugar, seeing what foods,meals, exercises, sleep does to
it.
Get your blood sugar in balance.
That's something that can be so,so beneficial for you.
(45:57):
Then start looking at gutmarkers.
How can we optimize digestion?
Maybe it's a little bit of aloejuice or aloe in a smoothie and
some tea and reducinginflammatory foods and gluten
and other things that can causeGEI distress and you know,
taking longer between meals,adding in periodic.
I'm not a big fan of fastingevery day for premenstrual,
(46:20):
premenopausal women just becauseit can throw off hormones.
But I think like a 24-hour fastonce a while in the first half
of a female cycle can give thatgut a great break or do liquid
liquid for a few days just torelieve things.
And then once you've got thatcovered, then move on to the
next step.
Maybe, you know, you do somedrainage and some binding,
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binding, you know, metals andmycotoxins.
And then you take a step furtherand you do a parasite cleanse.
And so, you know, it is aprogressive thing.
You don't have to do everythingat once, but I think it does
start with knowing what yourmarkers are telling you.
SPEAKER_01 (46:58):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And yeah, I would agreecompletely.
I like the fact that you broughtup that we do have to
concentrate on eliminating thethings that might be prolonging
or exacerbating, you know, theunderlying whether we've
pinpointed the root cause is aheavy metal exposure or
glyphosate from the field downthe road or whatever, we can
(47:21):
still be cleaner.
And by cleaner, I mean eatingcleaner foods or you know,
having purified or distilledwater, whatever you can start
taking on to clean up yourenvironment, then all these
things that you're you'rementioning to look at will be
much more effective in longterm.
Would that be accurate?
SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
Yeah.
I mean, I was shocked that Ishared yesterday that I thought
this was just a well-known thingthat you can avoid TSA scanners
to help reduce, you know, theradiation and things.
And so many people were like, Ididn't know I could avoid the
TSA scanner.
And I'm like, yeah, you can youcan sign up for pre-check, pay
(48:03):
$100 a year, and you don't haveto avoid even being patted down.
But even if you don't have that,you can say, I respectfully want
to decline this.
Either I have a thyroidsituation or my for my health, I
I want to decline it and do thepat down, and you can avoid that
radiation from the scanner.
That's a reduced exposure.
So there's little things you cando over the course, like clean
(48:26):
water and you know, trying toshop local with farmers and
using essential oils to cleanyour produce and being mindful
of the things you're putting onyour body from a skincare and a
shampoo, a conditioner, and soapperspective, because metals, for
example, it's accumulation overtime.
So step one, decreaseaccumulation, just like you
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said.
And I have felt even lately, youknow, it is so easy to get
overwhelmed when you don't feelgood and when you're just like,
I just want to know the thing.
I just want to know what it is.
But I've been in this for enoughyears to recognize that even
when you know what it is, itdoesn't bring you the relief
you're looking for.
(49:09):
Because at the end of the day,we live in a world that is
filled with toxins andchemicals, and we can do the
best we can with what we have,do our best to live in a way
that is consistent over time andjust chip away at things in a
way that feels to you.
And you know, bring the basicsin and community and laughter
(49:30):
and joy and being mindful ofsocial media, and those things
do make a really massivedifference.
They really do.
SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
Awesome.
Yeah, great.
I love it.
Makes so much sense anddefinitely have seen amazing
results by applying what you'retalking about.
So awesome.
Thank you.
Um, so I'd love to hear a littlebit about what how someone
engages with you.
Uh, I've seen your amazing postson social media, I've heard you
(49:59):
talk, I know you have createdmiracles with your work, but if
someone wanted to reach out toyou and take advantage of the
products that you've created andthe tools that you provide, how
does someone do that?
SPEAKER_00 (50:11):
I try to do my best of having everything organized
on my Instagram account.
It's how I launched my practiceand it's just kind of what I've
stuck to, didn't ever dabble inthe other modalities just
because I was like, let me focuson one.
And so I have recently startedcreating guides on Instagram,
and there's a health toolboxguide, there's a root cause
(50:33):
guide with like signs andsymptoms and supports and
testing.
There is just a health guide.
And so I'm really doing my bestto just put as much free
educational info out there righton my Instagram account.
There's tons of information andhighlights.
There is links to blog postswhere I've talked on important
(50:53):
organs and how to figure out ifyour organs are struggling and
how to support them.
I've done a lot in our grouppage, which is Root Cause
Formula, where people can go andread through highlights and get
information about just what doesit look like to work through
(51:14):
root causes?
Um, so those are probably thebest ways to just learn and be
educated.
And then if somebody is like,yeah, I really want to take this
the next step.
I offer two Blood Kim courseswhere I'm teaching the
information similar to what wewent over today.
One is just a basic coursethat's basically top one to
(51:35):
three reasons, a marker on yourlabs is high or low.
And then I have a full coursewhere it's like very in-depth.
Those are for like the peoplethat are like, I want to be a
practitioner or I'm apractitioner and want to know
more, or I really want to healmy child of autism.
It's across the board who entersthat.
So there's that information.
And then I recently brought onthree practitioners to help
(51:59):
guide people in their healthjust because I was at capacity.
I shut off new clients threeyears ago because I was maxed
out and couldn't accept anyonenew.
And they're awesome.
So they're great.
They are accepting clients.
So if somebody wants to reachout and just wants to set up a
time with them to just maybe goover some of these things with
(52:20):
them, that is an option.
SPEAKER_01 (52:23):
Great.
And uh your handle uh onInstagram, it's what is it
again?
SPEAKER_00 (52:28):
It's just my name, Emily Morrow.
Nothing uh extra special.
SPEAKER_01 (52:33):
Okay, well, I thought it was, but I just
freaking I'd asked.
Okay, great.
So, and then I know um if youclick on the link in your bio
there, there's a whole list ofthings that you just mentioned.
That's how a person can find allthis, a lot of this amazing
information.
And I can attest is veryeducational.
I was looking through it andlearning things the other day in
(52:55):
preparation for talking withyou.
So amazing, you could get awhole education on a lot of this
just by going through thatInstagram account, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (53:03):
Oh my gosh, the amount of messages I've gotten
of people who are like, I feellike I just went through a
college course.
Just I've spent weeks in yourhighlights and posts and blog
and all these things.
And I'm like, well, that'sawesome.
Because I would have loved sixyears ago when my health
collapsed to had have all thisinformation at my fingertips.
I never wanted someone else tohave to go through what I went
(53:24):
through, where it's just likeyou feel like you have nowhere
to turn.
You don't understand why you'refeeling the way you're feeling.
You can't put symptoms anddiagnoses of yourself even
together.
You're like, I just feel bad anddoctors can't help me.
So um, yeah, it's I'm such anintrovert that always surprises
people.
Like the fact that I got up andspoke was like a big deal for
(53:45):
me.
I'm such an introverted person.
So that account is solely toserve and help as many people as
possible.
SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Awesome.
Yeah, I would never suspect thatyour your talk was amazing.
And I listened to it and I lookat your Instagram, like, okay,
this person's out there.
SPEAKER_00 (54:03):
I just dabbled in the Reals world because
apparently that's the thingthat's you gotta do now.
And I'm like, I was so terrifiedbefore I did it, but I'm like,
we're just gonna, we're gonna gothere.
We're gonna do our best.
SPEAKER_01 (54:13):
Awesome.
Awesome.
Well, thank you for doing it.
Great.
Well, is there anything elseyou'd like to share before we uh
before we wrap up today?
Anything that you wanted tobring up we didn't cover?
SPEAKER_00 (54:24):
We covered a lot, I think just to edify what you
said, to not get overwhelmed.
Do the basics, get some basiclabs done, go over the markers
we discussed, you know, makesome notes next to your own labs
of potential things that couldbe going on.
And I mean, you're real big onbiohacking.
Optimizing body function is likeone of the best biohacks out
there.
So um start with the basics, andyou know, I think not being
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overwhelmed is a big thing.
So, other than that, I don'tthink I have anything else.
SPEAKER_01 (54:53):
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here, Emily.
It was very enlightening andeducational.
I learned a lot.
I'm sure everybody listeningwill be.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
Absolutely.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (55:06):
Thank you for being here with us today for this
episode.
If you'd like to get moreinformation or work directly
with Emily, uh go ahead andcheck her out on Instagram.
You can find her at EmilyMorrow.
Um that's E-M-I-L-Y-M-O-R-R-O-W.
Or her website is theEmilyMorrow.com.
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Both of these sites have amazinginformation on them, invaluable
resources, really.
So feel free to check them outeven if you're not ready to get
signed up or work with herdirectly.
You can get a lot just fromchecking out the information.
Thank you again for being heretoday and have a great rest of
your day.
Hello and welcome to this week's episode.
We're covering lamb blood workand finding the root cause for
illness and really anynon-optimum health situation.
So it's a fascinating subject.
I have a very special guest,extremely knowledgeable, and a
longtime practitioner who'sgotten hundreds, if not
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thousands, of results on peopleand helping them improve their
health and life.
As a blood work and lamp expert,she's gonna explain how to use
your blood work that you can getfrom your doctor each year to
get to the root cause ofillness, and really, as they
said, any body dysfunction.
(00:52):
And even beyond that, how tooptimize your health from this
information and get the most outof your life.
Her name is Emily Marl, andtoday we're covering
specifically how to balanceblood sugar, thyroid
optimization, hormonal health,lime, mold detox, herbicide,
heavy metal, and a bunch more,actually.
(01:12):
And we're also gonna cover whyyour lamps may look good, or you
may be told that everything isin the healthy range, um, yet
you don't feel healthy, orsomething is going on that isn't
resolving in your health.
And um, you know, why that isand how to navigate that type of
communication and actually getfully optimized in your health
(01:36):
and fitness level.
Okay, without further ado, hereis Emily Morrow.
All right.
So, Emily, thank you so much forbeing here today with us.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, your expertise with bloodwork and all the work you do
with clients and what I've seenand heard from you at uh the
seminar I went to with umCellcore was pretty amazing.
So, can you give us a little bitof background, a little bit
about your journey, your story,and how you came to be what you
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are and what you do?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
For sure.
So I feel like if you talk toanybody in the health space
practitioners, they're therebecause it was part of their own
history, part of their ownstory.
And so my health story couldhave a bunch of little details
in the midst from being reallysick as a kid, having my tonsils
removed, breaking numerousbones, concussions, ear
(02:35):
infections, tons of things as akid, but really my health
collapsed after college.
I felt like I was kind ofrunning on stress hormones in
college.
I played collegiate soccer atthe University of Tennessee.
And so I was surviving.
I was surviving by taking fourto six Tylenol or Advil a day.
And yeah, my gut disaster.
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And they put me on birthcontrol.
Little did I know the sideeffects my freshman year because
I lost my menstrual cycle.
And so they were like solution,birth control.
So birth control paired with thestress of keeping a scholarship
and maintaining good grades andbeing 14 hours away from home
and going through just a lot oflife stress.
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We lost my stepsister when I wasin college to suicide.
So mental health is somethingthat's really important to me,
and just a lot of things thatwere thrown my direction in a
very short span of time.
And so, with all that to say, Igraduated and my health just
absolutely collapsed.
And I was diagnosed after seeingnumerous specialists with
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Hashimoto's, which most peopleare familiar with, the
autoimmune thyroid disorder ofhypothyroid.
And then I was also diagnosedwith, it doesn't have like an
official autoimmune name, theyjust call it autoimmune liver.
It wasn't lupus, but autoimmuneliver disease.
I had astronomically high liverenzymes.
My body put on about 40 to 50pounds in a year.
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My eyes, my palms, my hands.
I've told this story a fewtimes.
I was like in the beautifulmountains of Jackson Hole,
Wyoming, on this horse, shouldbe enjoying every moment.
And I got off and I just broke.
I was in devastating tearsbecause there was anxiety, there
was panic, there was depression,my palms were yellow, my eyes
were yellow.
I felt like I wasn't me.
(04:24):
And so that really just jumpstarted my desire to get into
this space because so manydoctors said there was nothing
you could do.
I think we've all heard that atone point or another.
Um, so you know, you go, youseek out a bunch of people, you
learn a little bit, you move on,and I came across this doctor
who was probably like the 20thdoctor in the line of people
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I've tried to get informationfrom who sat me down and went
line by line with me with bloodwork.
And so that really was thepinnacle of opening my eyes of a
doctors are not reading thesepanels properly.
They don't know what they mean.
They can give you so muchinsight and information about
the human body and clues intowhat's going on from a deeper
root cause perspective, and thenguidance that was beyond just
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here's a band-aid.
Because I think even in theholistic world, we've seen where
instead of a medication, here isa nutraceutical supplement
that's still a band-aid.
You know, you can take turmericfor pain, but we want to start
asking the question, why isthere pain?
Why do we have these underlyingroot issues?
And so I just started talkingand sharing about my own story
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and journey on social platformsand in my local community, doing
talks at local businesses andstarted getting clients.
And, you know, same story as me.
A lot of them came to me withthe same story, and I started
running labs.
And so the talk that you heardat Eco was a sweet, sweet, sweet
human being that came to me thatwas struggling with a lot of the
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same things I was, a lot of skinstuff with her too, trauma,
overwhelm in medical school.
And, you know, we look at ourlabs, and there's clues for
mold, there's clues for Lyme,there's clues for Babesia,
there's clues for heavy metals,there's clues for parasites, and
lo and behold, you startsupporting their body from a
foundational perspective,chipping away at some of these
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root causes, their numbers startto balance, the skin starts to
clear up, their anxiety startsto diminish, they start
digesting their food andsleeping and all the things
we're looking for when it comesto health and vitality.
So that's probably the mostcondensed, shortened version of
how we've gotten to this pointtoday.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
Gotcha.
Wow, sounds pretty intense,actually.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Yeah, it was for a little while.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Well, great that you've accomplished what you've
accomplished and established somuch knowledge in the area to
help yourself, help others.
It's awesome.
So that's really great.
So yeah, I definitely would liketo take advantage of some of
your knowledge regarding bloodwork and how it can be used in a
practical sense in a person'slife, you know, to the degree
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that they obviously maybe thecommon person who isn't doing
this as a profession doesn'twant to be expert or need to be.
But what are some things theycan be aware of?
And let's just start withsomething that's very common to
people (07:16):
insulin resistance, um, the the overweight amount of
people overweight in thesociety, how it influences our
health.
What can you tell us about thatfor a starter?
SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
That's very important because glucose
regulation and insulinresistance is one of the number
one predictors for like 10 ofthe most complex diseases,
cardiovascular disease being oneof them, and then that can kind
of funnel down into metabolicdysfunction.
And there is a lot of peoplewalking around with insulin
resistance and pre-diabetes, andthey have no idea.
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They have absolutely no idea.
They may not manifest withsymptoms for a very long time.
And most doctors don't run themarker fasting insulin.
And they're looking at twomarkers predominantly for
insulin resistance or diabetesif they even know what insulin
resistance is, and it's glucoseand hemoglobin A1C.
But there's a lot of othermarkers on a blood panel that
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can indicate if we're notmanaging glucose well.
One of those is fasting insulin.
Ideally, we want it around thattwo to five range.
Most people will say you want itat least under eight, but
there's people with fastinginsulins in the 12s, 13s, 14s,
15s.
And it's one of the most agingthings in the body, insulin is.
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And it forces the body to workin overtime to a point where
eventually that signaling systemand communication just comes to
a halt.
And then the insulin can't getinto the cells and attach to
those receptors.
It's like a key in a hole.
And so it's just floating in thebloodstream.
And then we have symptoms ofhyperglycemia and hypoglycemia,
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high blood sugar, low bloodsugar, where we eat a meal, it
should spike our glucose.
Insulin is secreted from thepancreas and it brings it back
down, and that's not happening.
And that is the case for a lotof people, even if they're
ripped to shreds.
I used to work with CrossFitathletes and some NHL players,
and they look super healthy, butthey were in the prediabetes
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ranges.
And so fasting insulin is areally important marker.
And then the other two markersthat can really give you a lot
of information that's on prettymuch anybody's blood work, is
the ratio between triglycerides,which is in the cholesterol
lipid panel, and HDL.
And so when you have a ratiothat is above 2.5, let's say
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their triglycerides are superhigh because they're not
digesting their fat well orthere is prediabetes going on,
your HDL, which is your goodcholesterol, is way too low, you
have a large gap, a large ratio.
You ideally want that as closeto like a 1.5 ratio as you can.
So for example, if HDL was 40,you would not really want your
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triglycerides greater than 100.
If they are triglycerides above100 or that ratio gap too large,
very good indicator of insulinresistance.
And pretty much anybody can lookat their labs and do that quick
math.
unknown (10:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
And so somebody shouldn't feel backed off about
looking at that and you know,making a comment on it or
saying, hey, I want to addressthis to their professional
they're working with, right?
Okay, great.
And then the first one youmentioned, the fasting insulin,
is that common to most bloodwork?
Is that something you have tospecially request?
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
You have to specially request it.
It's really sad.
It's kind of one of those caseswhere when you go in and you're
like, I want to see how I'mdoing from an insulin and
glucose perspective, they'reprobably gonna run glucose, fast
and glucose, and a hemoglobinA1C, which is around your two to
three month average of yourglucose markers.
Now, why that's an issue is ifsomeone's on a roller coaster
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and they have highs, highs, andlows, lows, that average is
gonna look pretty spot on.
And so fasting, a lot of peoplemay have a solid fasting
glucose, which is below 86.
We really want a fasting glucosebelow 86.
So they go into their doctor andthey're like, I'm golden.
I've got an 87.
Check.
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Hemoglobin A1C, they're runningin the 200s and then
hypoglycemia 50s from lack ofbalanced meals or eating too
much or not eating enough.
And then you take that 150 and ahypoglycemia range of 60,
average it out, their hemoglobinA1C looks okay.
So we get into issues here wherepeople are not able to tell or
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see that they have a potentialinsulin resistance situation
going on.
SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
Makes sense.
Yeah.
And I've heard that insulinresistance shows up in the body
before the high glucose.
Is that correct?
So you could find it first?
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
Correct.
And this is kind of out therewith how long it takes,
different perspectives, saydifferent amounts of time, but
there's been a few situationswhere it can be like anywhere
from five to seven to ten tothirteen years before the
glucose and hemoglobin A1C fullycatches up.
Whereas fasting insulin, you'regonna get a definitive answer
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right there.
And so we really want it thattwo to five.
Now, type one diabetes, becausethey're not making insulin,
that's where there's that two inplay.
They may be like zero or one or0.5, right?
They may still produce a littlebit, but also people that have
like in your community, theremay be a few in the 1.5 range
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because they're not eating a lotof carbs.
So we're not seeing a change ininsulin.
And you're very familiar withthis.
Certain protein is very insulindriving.
And people have been shockedwhen they eat a whey protein
shake.
It has zero grams of carbs andzero grams of sugar, but their
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glucose shoots up to 160.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
Yes, I've seen that many times actually.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yeah.
So, you know, it depends on whatsomeone's diet is.
Keto can play a role in that,but we really want to shoot for
two to five on that fastinginsulin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
Okay, interesting.
Okay, and then when a person is,I thought you were gonna say
like two to seven months, andthen you said like seven to ten
years or whatever the number wasthere.
So at that time, those manyyears before when you have this
insulin, high insulin, insulinresistance starting to be
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created, that's the time tocatch it way before it gets to
the point where it's affectingyour glucose chronically.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Absolutely.
You want to catch it early.
That's why we're in this spaceof preventative medicine.
We're choosing to make diet,lifestyle, exercise changes
before it becomes disease.
So, yeah, I mean, catching itearly is huge.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Good.
And then um, and a person, justto make it crystal clear for
anybody listening who wants totake advantage of this, you'd
simply ask your doctor or nursepractitioner or whoever's
running your labs to run fastinginsulin as part of the blood
work?
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
Yes, with the notion that they may bill you because
our insurance system is just alittle bit broken and they don't
like to cover a lot of markers.
You know, you ask them to run athyroid panel and you get TSH
back.
I want a full thyroid panel,please run it, and they only run
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TSH.
Or if they do run the othermarkers, then you have a bill in
the mail.
This happened to me a few times.
It made me so irritated for$500for Ferritin, B12, and Fulate.
And you're like, really?
So I also was like, there has tobe another way.
And so I partnered with a labcalled Avexia Diagnostics and
were able to run labs at a verycheap cost.
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So, like a CBC and CMP, basiclabs,$15.
Add fasting insulin for$10,$25.
Right.
Yeah.
It's really not that expensive.
It's just that uh-huh, insuranceand the medical system, they
drive those prices upastronomically.
SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Yeah, no, understood.
That's amazing.
And we'll have that informationin the notes and everything so
people can take advantage ofthat.
Because I've actually neverheard of being able to run those
at that cost, at that low of acost.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Well, this makes a lot of sense.
And then um, so let's say aperson is you know moving on to
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a different area with lab workand whatnot.
Let's say a person is looking totry to balance.
We have a lot of people come inwith thyroid issues.
They've been told they're gonnaneed to be on medication or get
surgery, or their biopsy saidXYZ.
Do you have some things to maybehelp a person know like you can
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with the insulin way beforehandthat something's going on with
their thyroid?
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
You can.
And I'm glad you said beforehandbecause it takes, and most
people don't aren't aware ofthis and don't know this, but it
takes a 25% reduction in thethyroid before it starts to
manifest in blood work.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
Really?
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
So now people are walking around, their labs look
okay, quote, okay, their thyroidlabs look okay, but it may be
functioning at 77%.
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
So 77% below what it should be to be healthy.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Correct.
So, like if your thyroid isawesome, it's working great,
it's functioning at 100%.
Imagine if it took a hitradiation, heavy metals, other
contributors, and so thathundred has now decreased to
functioning at 77%.
So you've lost a lot offunction.
And that's not great becauseit's not showing up on labs yet.
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So you don't know why you don'tfeel good.
And your thyroid's responsiblefor activating mitochondria in
every other organ.
So not only is your thyroid notworking well, your heart's not
working well, your liver's notworking well, your kidneys are
not working well, your brain'snot working well, your spleen's
not working well, yourreproductive system's not
working well, it's allconnected.
So it's it's vitally importantto have clues early on.
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And there's a few of them.
Granted, it's kind of like aprocess of elimination approach
when it comes to the thyroid,but when you're looking at a
panel as a whole with likemarkers that people typically
might run, if you see elevatedliver enzymes, that's gonna be
your AST and ALT, that isresponsible for converting your
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inactive thyroid to activethyroid hormon, your T4 into
your T3.
So if your liver is struggling,it's also gonna impact the
thyroid.
So that's one.
But one of my favorite markersthat you tend to see very early
on is calcium.
And calcium is run on almosteverybody's blood work panel.
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And part of the reason why isbecause the parathyroid, which
sits, their glands that sitright on the thyroid, they are
responsible for balancingcalcium and phosphorus.
And so if that's not happening,then we have an imbalance in
calcium and phosphorus.
And the range for calcium is 9.2to 9.8.
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And so if it's outside of thatrange, it can be a thyroid
issue.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
Wow, that's a pretty narrow range.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
Yes, it is.
And we see a lot of people with10.0 calcium or 11.0, and then
there's some sort of signalingsystem or problem that's been
disrupted with the thyroid.
And that's a very good marker tolook at.
Another set of markers goingback to the lipid panel is your
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cholesterol and LDL.
And there's a lot ofmisinformation about cholesterol
and LDL.
We need it.
We don't want to have a panelwhere we don't have any because
it's responsible for thesynthesis of our steroid
hormones.
But elevated levels can also behypothyroid.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
So if you see total cholesterol, oh yeah, so it's
not even something necessarilyrelated to a person eating too
much of something that's gonnachange it.
It could just be the thyroidsnot doing what it should be.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of littlemechanisms that get into the
real science side of things ofwhy, but with those markers
specifically, it may havenothing to do with like plaque
on the arteries and everythingto do with an underfunctioning
thyroid that's driving thosemarkers up.
Yet they go in and what are theygiven?
A statin or baby aspirin orsomething like that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
Yeah, it just compounds the situation, really.
SPEAKER_00 (20:35):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So those are kind of earlydetective markers, but most of
the time, if people are lookingto make lifestyle changes, they
already don't feel great.
That's what got them into thisspace to begin with.
So typically, because I run labson every single person I see and
that enters into our practice.
And so it's not uncommon for meto see a thyroid panel that is
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all over the place.
It's very rare to see a normalthyroid panel.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Wow.
How interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's very common.
We have people come in withfatigue or something going on
with their uh emotional health,and they've seen somebody, and
thyroid has come up.
So that's why I wanted to askyou about it with a blood work.
Those markers make a lot ofsense.
Yeah.
And then something you mentionedabout it throwing off
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cholesterol, and the cholesterolhelps with our certain hormones.
Um, which hormones were wereferring to?
I think you said the steroidhormones.
SPEAKER_00 (21:38):
Correct.
The steroid hormones, yeah.
So there's a lot of women wheretheir total cholesterol is maybe
130.
It's really, really low.
And it's usually the people whocome from a background of
trauma, stress, long-timechronic infections, long-time
old toxicity, more so justnutrient depletion.
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Their body has been either in astarvation season, an
over-exercising season.
And so when you're being chasedby a bear or there's high
cortisol, what's the first thingto be shut down?
Your reproductive system.
It's very hard to get pregnantin that way.
And so that's why we needenough.
We need enough cholesterol tosynthesize those really
important steroid hormones.
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And so with those women, wealways have being men too, that
conversation of how much are weeating?
What does our stress levels looklike?
What does our exercise looklike?
How much are we sleeping?
Those factors in the big biggerpicture are important.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
So the uh use of blood work withhelping a person have a child
create fertility.
This would start with looking atthings like where is your what's
your thyroid doing?
How's your liver working?
Things like that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Just because the other markers, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Those are needed when you mention fertility.
We need progesterone to getpregnant and to stay pregnant.
It was once called likeprogestation.
And progesterone and the thyroidare best friends.
I kind of educate in that waywhere things are either enemies
or they're best friends.
And the progesterone and thyroidare best friends.
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And so if the thyroid goes intothat hyporange, it's gonna pull
progesterone down with it.
And vice versa.
If the progesterone gets pulleddown due to cortisol or excess
adrenal stress, that typicalprocess of making progesterone
is gonna shift and it's gonna beused for the cortisol pathway.
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Well, progesterone goes down,pulls the thyroid down with it.
So oftentimes with theseinfertility situations, there's
a lot of things can that canlead to infertility, but so much
of it does come back toprogesterone, the thyroid and
the nutrients that are neededfor optimal functioning of both.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Wow, amazing.
It's this harmonious balancethat has to happen.
And uh, you know, it soundscomplicated, but it seems like
there are also some very keythings you can just kind of zero
in on to balance a lot ofdifferent factors in the body.
Would that be correct?
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Absolutely, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (24:22):
Right.
Um, you know, we covered acouple topics here.
A lot of clients that we havecome in to see us don't
necessarily know exactly whythey're feeling non-optimum or
their energy is low or they keepputting on weight or whatever.
What would you say to someonewho can't come to you and say,
oh, I know I'm having thyroidtrouble, or I know I have
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trouble with sugar and insulin?
What type of place would aperson like that start?
SPEAKER_00 (24:51):
Million dollar question, right?
Um so there's a few differentplaces to start.
Number one, I love the symptomsthat the body gives us.
They're alarm systems, they'reclues.
So let's just put weight lossresistance on the table.
We start to break that down ofwhat can cause that.
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Metabolic dysfunction is one ofthe big reasons because it's
what leads to obesity.
And if your glucose is high,your cortisol is high.
Those are also best friends,your stress and your glucose.
And the body cannot burn fat ina high sugar, high cortisol
state.
It just can't.
It can't tap into those fatreserves.
So that's number one is lookingat those markers we just
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discussed with metabolicdysfunction.
Then when you kind of dig deeperand you get into these root
causes that can lead to weightloss resistance, it could be any
of them, but there's a few thatare very key.
One is gonna be heavy metals.
And the reason why is because itcauses the receptors to be
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filled with the metals versusreally important minerals that
are needed for blood sugarbalance.
So think of things like chromiumthat's needed for proper blood
sugar and magnesium for thenervous system, and selenium,
which is needed for the thyroid.
These metals come in and theydisplace those really essential
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minerals, and then we sufferfrom, again, hormone issues or
thyroid problems as a result.
So that would be the secondthing that I would maybe look
at.
And there's a few different waysto test for metals.
One is through a hair tissuemineral analysis test.
A lot of metals will come outthrough the hair.
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Another way would be a urinarytest.
Some metals come out through theurine.
And then there's also somemetals that can show up in the
blood.
So if someone wants to know, aremetals playing a role in weight
loss resistance or blood sugarimbalance, they could look into
those tests.
Another really key one isBartonella.
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Are you familiar withBartonella?
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Not it, not very much.
Give me some more information.
How does that work?
I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
So Bartonella is a bacteria.
It's a gram-negative bacteria,and it's considered a Lyme
coinfection.
So it's within the coinfectionfamily of Lyme disease.
It's termed the cat scratchdisease because a lot of animals
and cats carry it, but it canalso be spread through fleas,
lice, ticks, mosquitoes, all ofthese other ways.
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Bartonella goes in and infectsthe red blood cells.
It also will go and accumulatein the liver and spleen and
decrease their function.
Liver's needed for glucosebalance, liver's needed for
hormone balance, the spleen'sneeded for immune balance.
And if those really importantorgans are being overwhelmed
from this bacteria, theirfunction goes down and we start
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gaining weight.
We start packing on the pounds.
And that's very common.
That's one of the most commonthings we see that leads to
weight loss resistance isBartonella bacteria.
The only downside to that isit's very hard to test for.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
Very difficult to test for.
But there are a few clues.
If someone sees anemia on theirlabs, like iron anemia, we see
how common that is, right?
unknown (28:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Or if we see elevated liver enzymes, AST,
ALT, that bacteria can causethose issues.
So there's clues within theselabs of blood work that can
point to it.
Um and really, regardless if youcan get a positive test, there's
herbs that people can add in tohelp.
And really the top two that wereally are cordyceps mushroom.
(28:44):
Really great for Bartonella.
Um, another one is Japaneseknotweed.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
So those two are really great to just kind of
help decrease that bacterialload, which will just get the
body back into balance.
Another thing people can look atis mold.
I don't know how familiar youraudience is with mold, but if
people move into a molded home,okay, okay.
If people move into a moldyhome, and all of a sudden
they're like, what is going on?
(29:12):
I don't feel like myself, myweight's through the roof, I'm
got vertigo and dizziness andthese static electrical shocks
and tremors, and they just don'tfeel like themselves.
And that can also throw offblood sugar.
The body can go into a state ofoveractive nervous system
function.
And so, as a protectivemechanism, the pounds just start
(29:35):
hacking on.
So these are just all things tostart thinking about and
exploring that I feel like wassuch an aha moment for even me
of like, I'm eating well, I'mexercising well, I'm sleeping
well, I feel like I'm doing allthese right things, and the
needle's not moving.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And as far As the mold goes,I've heard that can hide inside
of things in the body like Lymeor parasites or whatever.
Is there some blood work thatcan be used to help be an early
detection system for mold aswell?
SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
Yes, there is.
So if we go back to parasites,like you mentioned, because they
can hold their weight inbasically everything we've
talked about thus far.
They can hold their weight inmetals, they can hold their
weight in mycotoxins, they canhold their weight in Lyme
bacteria.
And the two markers that areyour parasite markers are your
eosinophils, short EOS, and yourbasophils, short B-A-S-O-S.
(30:38):
If they had a name tag, becausethose are part of your soldiers,
your white blood cells, it wouldbe like parasite fighters.
The only other thing they reallydo is like allergies and asthma.
But um, if those are elevated,like basophils, if it's one or
above, eosinophils above three,parasites are present.
So then that's a whole otherthing you got to add into the
bigger picture.
(30:59):
But from there, mold does havevery specific things that
impacts on a blood work panel.
And two of the ones that arevery definitive for us that we
look at are carbon dioxide, andI'll touch on why in a second,
and the urinary pH.
So in a urinalysis, you know howthey spit out that pH?
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
Okay.
So if we look at CO2, carbondioxide, um, my sports
background, that's why I like tohave analogies with sports, but
a sprinter is sprinting down atrack and they can only go so
long until lactic acid builds upin those muscles and they are
deprived of oxygen.
They eventually have to stop.
(31:42):
And so when there is mold, itcreates an acidic environment in
the body.
So in that acidic environment,we see a lower carbon dioxide, a
low CO2, below 25, and we see alow urinary pH.
So that urinary pH, ideally, wewant it as close to seven as
(32:04):
possible.
And a lot of mold people willsee it 5.0, 6.0.
Those lower markers because ofthe acidity that the mold is
creating.
That's why there's brain fogwith mold.
A lot of the mold symptoms, ifyou really break down why
they're all there, it's lack ofoxygen.
Think of dizziness, think ofvertigo, think of joint pain.
(32:26):
All of those are a lack ofoxygen.
So those are two of the mostdefinitive ones we look at.
Granted, we can't say you havemold because both of those are
out of range, but it should getpeople thinking in a new way.
Um, another one, because of theway mold affects your
anti-diuretic hormone, you maysee variations in the ADH
(32:48):
hormone.
So mold will impact that.
It's why kids wet the bed whenthey're in a moldy situation,
because of the way moldinfluences ADH.
So you may see an ADH out ofbalance on labs, and you may see
a specific gravity.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that marker, but that
marker is basically also a partof the urinalysis.
(33:09):
And we tend to see it like1.005, 1.006, very, very low,
low end with mold because of theway it influences ADH and the
body's ability to actuallyabsorb the water from a cellular
standpoint.
Um, and that's also why whenyou're talking about what can
people do with these situations,why saline IVs or mineral IVs or
(33:32):
choline IVs, all these thingsthat get minerals into the cells
helps people so much whenthey're dealing with mold.
So it's hydrating them.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
Right.
It displaces the mold and thecell.
Is that part of the choline?
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Yep.
Choline, like if you flood thebody with like choline from
phosphatidylcholine or IVphosphatidylcholine, it goes in
there, the choline comes intothe cell and it says, hey, mold
metals, mycotoxins, get out.
Get out.
Um, which is great.
We want to bind it, be onbinders and things like that, so
(34:08):
it's not free-floating.
Um, same thing with minerals.
Those minerals go in and theydisplace the mold, they displace
the mycotoxins.
Selenium's great for you know,displacing mercury and they're
forced to be peed out.
Um, that's why they'll often doprovoking testing with mycotoxin
panels, lime panels, metalpanels, because it likes to,
like you said, go hide itself inorgans and tissues in the
(34:30):
lymphatic system.
So lymphatic massages and sawinfrared saunas and all these
things that can get it out oftissues to be able to sweat it
out or pee it out can help whenthey're trying to get testing
done to see what's going on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
Makes sense.
Makes a lot of sense.
I've heard so many people who wefind mold with or it comes up
saying that they wish they'dfound it many years ago because
they feel so different now thatthey're addressing it or broke
through a plateau that you knowthey've been struggling with or
didn't even know they have.
So I think that's a reallyimportant piece for a lot of
(35:06):
people.
Now, these markers you mentionedthat, you know, to check for and
whatnot, are these things theperson would also have to ask
for specifically, or are thesepretty common?
SPEAKER_00 (35:16):
They're very common.
Those are a part of just thebasic lab panels.
And that's what I love aboutthis is most people, maybe not
everyone, a lot of people in thewellness world have like just
said, I'm not gonna have adoctor.
I'm never gonna go see a PCP.
But for the most part, on ayearly basis, you have a
physical and they will run basiclabs.
(35:37):
Where people have been misled isthey run those labs and the
doctor gives them a phone callor flags it and says, Oh,
everything looks normal,everything looks good, you have
nothing to worry about.
But the ranges that they'regoing off of are so skewed.
They're based upon the sickestof the sick population because
they take an average.
And right now, one in three havedisease.
(35:59):
So it's like, what are you beingcompared to?
Someone in a hospital bed orsomeone with vitality and like
wanting to thrive.
And so that's a big issue.
But that's why podcasts likethis and resources that are
like, no, no, no, no, no.
Look at your labs, takeresponsibility of those markers,
start marking them up andfiguring out what it's pointing
to.
But I like it because it'saccessible.
(36:20):
Almost anyone can get their PCPto run just, you know, a basic
CBC, CMP, and lipid cholesterolpanel.
That is covered by insurance.
So um, yeah, all those markersyou just mentioned are covered.
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Okay, great, great.
Um, and just to speak tosomething you just mentioned,
because I actually just heardthis a couple weeks ago.
It shocked me.
So uh and clarify this if it'sincorrect, but I've heard that
the blood panels used or theranges for blood panels to show
normal or healthy ranges havechanged over the years because
(36:57):
the population has gottensicker, basically.
There's more chronic andinflammatory diseases, so the
blood work is different, butinstead of keeping it at the
range that is truly healthy,it's been re-averaged out over
the years.
Is that correct?
Or I know it's not correct, butis that what is happening to
your knowledge?
SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
That's what's happening.
And I did a post on thisrecently on my Instagram because
I get that question all the timelike, hey, my labs look good.
And I went and did this wholething about an article because
it's all over where you can goback and look at PubMed studies
from years and years and yearsago, and they'll say the optimal
range for white blood cells isfive to eight.
(37:40):
Like years and years and yearsand years and years ago.
Well, do you know what they arenow?
Three to eleven.
unknown (37:45):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
It's even broader.
So if someone has chronicillness with a white blood cell
four, and their doctor's like,it looks awesome.
Our range is three to eleven,and you're in range.
SPEAKER_01 (37:56):
Wow.
Oh my god, I don't even knowwhat to say to that.
SPEAKER_00 (38:00):
I know to meds.
SPEAKER_01 (38:02):
That's rough.
Well, that's why, like you said,the education piece, being
empowered with knowledge foryour own and for the health of
those that you you care about orknow, or whatever.
So um, okay, great.
Well, a little tangent there,but I think it's worth people
understanding that you kind ofhave to pay attention in order
to know that you're getting whatis correct, what is healthy for
(38:25):
you and for your children, yourfamily, etc., right?
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
Yep, you do.
Yeah, taking responsibility forit.
SPEAKER_01 (38:32):
Yeah, thanks.
Okay, great.
So we we covered a lot of groundthere.
I did have just a couple otherthings that I wanted to bring up
regarding blood work and how uhhow it can be used in different
ways.
So, for example, one of thethings that we work with people
a lot on is digestive issues.
You know, uh almost everyone whowho comes in, whether they're
(38:55):
working on weight loss or anautoimmune situation or some
other non-optimum healthsituation, has an aspect of a
dysfunctional gut, whetherthey've been diagnosed with IBS
or Crohn's or not, something'sgoing on.
How does blood work again foryou know, telling what's going
on, but also what are theprecursors somebody can pay
(39:17):
attention to in that yearlycheckup to make sure they're
staying on top of things?
SPEAKER_00 (39:22):
Good question.
These markers are probably theones we use most often.
It's not to say that therearen't other ones, but the
combination of these typicallycan give us a lot of
information.
So the first one I always thinkof when it comes to digestion is
a marker called globulin.
You know, a lot of us have heardof like immunoglobulins.
Yeah.
(39:42):
And we want it at least 2.4.
Most people are not at least2.4.
They're either 2.1 or less,typically.
And that is a big red flag forus of either they have low
hydrochloric acid production,they're not producing stomach
acid, there's a lot of digestivedistress, or there's leaky gut,
(40:03):
intestinal permeability, wheretheir gut is damaged or inflamed
and they're not absorbing theirnutrients.
So then from there, when we seethat, we look at a few other
markers.
The next one is called B U N.
So it's urea nitrogen breakdown.
And we want that one 12 to 18.
And so if someone is below 12,they may not be making enzymes,
(40:26):
amylase, lipase, protease.
So they're not breaking downtheir food.
They're not digesting it.
And then on the same token, ifthey're really high, that's not
great either.
That can also be low stomachacid or inflammation of the GI
tract.
With Crohn's, ulcerativecolitis, IBS, which is basically
(40:47):
just we don't know what's wrongwith your gut.
So we're gonna throw a blanketdiagnosis at you.
Typically, with those people,you'll see inflammatory markers
that will elevate.
And one of those inflammatorymarkers is C reactive protein,
the highly sensitive one, CRP.
And you really want that markerless than one.
(41:08):
And so with a lot ofinflammation in the body, the
gut as well, that can drive thatmarker up.
Now, what's been reallyinteresting as I, you know, I'm
I'm studying new like PubMedstudies that come out all the
time with this situation that'sgoing on in our world right now,
with you know exactly what I'mtalking about.
(41:30):
I am always like, how is thisgonna impact the blood work?
Because how can we detect thingsearly on?
And then can our blood reflectprogress once we bring in
nutrients or support fromwhatever that infection caused?
And one of the things that it'screating is very high CRP values
(41:54):
because of the way it's damagingthe lung tissue.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (41:58):
So I've had people where they got blood work done,
they started having symptomsabout five days later, then they
got sick.
Well, their blood work was donefive days before, and I look at
it and their CRP is 20.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
Wow, yeah.
And then I was like, okay, letme go look in PubMed.
And there's numerous studiesthat have come out in the past
few months.
We're recording this July 2022,but like March, April, May,
June, studies that have come outand shown that the elevation of
CRP can help reflect theseverity of the infection.
(42:37):
And, you know, this smallerelevation of zero to 10, minor
infection.
Your symptoms aren't going to beas severe.
10 to 20, you're not going tofeel great, but you're probably
going to be able to handle it.
20 to 40, probably going to needsome third-party help.
And then they were saying thatpeople in the 50s to 100, those
are the ones they're seeing inhospital settings with severe
(42:59):
loads and needing machines.
SPEAKER_01 (43:02):
Wow.
unknown (43:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:03):
Yeah.
So, you know, again, the bloodis giving us information that
there's inflammation going on.
And then you can track that overtime of, okay, let me support my
body, let me takeanti-inflammatories and things
that support mucus reducing.
Vitamin A is great for that.
And B propylis and vitamin C.
(43:23):
Get labs done again four weekslater and see the progress in
the CRP.
What is that inflammation doing?
It's a CRP is also a greatmarker with anyone that I work
with Crohn's or colitis of howthey're doing.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
So those are probably the top three most
definitive ones.
There's other clues that you cankind of look at throughout.
For example, if they show a lotof anemia markers, low red blood
cells, low ferritin, lowhemoglobin, low hematocrit, why
are they not absorbing thosenutrients?
Is it because their gut isimpaired?
Is it because their gut isinflamed?
(44:01):
So with those situations of justinflammation in the body,
hemoglobin and hematocrit arenaturally lower because we need
a healthy gut and a non-inflamedgut to absorb our nutrients.
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
Makes sense.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's you know, it'sinteresting.
There's so much information thatyou're giving about what to look
for and how to address thesedifferent things.
It can seem quite overwhelming.
But would I be correct in sayingthat if you hone in on and focus
(44:36):
on one thing at a time and justimprove that, then over time,
eventually, you know, in mostcases, things will even out and
you'll get to the level ofhealth you want unless there's
something severely off.
SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
Yes, I would agree with you.
The only thing where I'm like, Ihope more education becomes
available is right now theexternal just assaults that
people have to deal with on adaily basis are making it to
where these minor changes,they're treading water
constantly.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Makes sense.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
The herbicides, the pesticides, the air pollution,
the chemicals, the metals andproducts, the fact that there is
supplements and foods thataren't tested after
manufacturing.
And so they're ingesting those,and then that's causing issues.
The water, so I mean, all thesethings where mentally take it
slow.
But I think that the more youcan just know your numbers and
(45:35):
know what it's pointing to andkind of fine-tune that based
upon your own needs, you reallystart to see changes over time.
But you're absolutely right.
You know, if someone is comingto you and they're highly
inflamed and their blood sugaris off, start tracking your
blood sugar, seeing what foods,meals, exercises, sleep does to
it.
Get your blood sugar in balance.
That's something that can be so,so beneficial for you.
(45:57):
Then start looking at gutmarkers.
How can we optimize digestion?
Maybe it's a little bit of aloejuice or aloe in a smoothie and
some tea and reducinginflammatory foods and gluten
and other things that can causeGEI distress and you know,
taking longer between meals,adding in periodic.
I'm not a big fan of fastingevery day for premenstrual,
(46:20):
premenopausal women just becauseit can throw off hormones.
But I think like a 24-hour fastonce a while in the first half
of a female cycle can give thatgut a great break or do liquid
liquid for a few days just torelieve things.
And then once you've got thatcovered, then move on to the
next step.
Maybe, you know, you do somedrainage and some binding,
(46:41):
binding, you know, metals andmycotoxins.
And then you take a step furtherand you do a parasite cleanse.
And so, you know, it is aprogressive thing.
You don't have to do everythingat once, but I think it does
start with knowing what yourmarkers are telling you.
SPEAKER_01 (46:58):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And yeah, I would agreecompletely.
I like the fact that you broughtup that we do have to
concentrate on eliminating thethings that might be prolonging
or exacerbating, you know, theunderlying whether we've
pinpointed the root cause is aheavy metal exposure or
glyphosate from the field downthe road or whatever, we can
(47:21):
still be cleaner.
And by cleaner, I mean eatingcleaner foods or you know,
having purified or distilledwater, whatever you can start
taking on to clean up yourenvironment, then all these
things that you're you'rementioning to look at will be
much more effective in longterm.
Would that be accurate?
SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
Yeah.
I mean, I was shocked that Ishared yesterday that I thought
this was just a well-known thingthat you can avoid TSA scanners
to help reduce, you know, theradiation and things.
And so many people were like, Ididn't know I could avoid the
TSA scanner.
And I'm like, yeah, you can youcan sign up for pre-check, pay
(48:03):
$100 a year, and you don't haveto avoid even being patted down.
But even if you don't have that,you can say, I respectfully want
to decline this.
Either I have a thyroidsituation or my for my health, I
I want to decline it and do thepat down, and you can avoid that
radiation from the scanner.
That's a reduced exposure.
So there's little things you cando over the course, like clean
(48:26):
water and you know, trying toshop local with farmers and
using essential oils to cleanyour produce and being mindful
of the things you're putting onyour body from a skincare and a
shampoo, a conditioner, and soapperspective, because metals, for
example, it's accumulation overtime.
So step one, decreaseaccumulation, just like you
(48:48):
said.
And I have felt even lately, youknow, it is so easy to get
overwhelmed when you don't feelgood and when you're just like,
I just want to know the thing.
I just want to know what it is.
But I've been in this for enoughyears to recognize that even
when you know what it is, itdoesn't bring you the relief
you're looking for.
(49:09):
Because at the end of the day,we live in a world that is
filled with toxins andchemicals, and we can do the
best we can with what we have,do our best to live in a way
that is consistent over time andjust chip away at things in a
way that feels to you.
And you know, bring the basicsin and community and laughter
(49:30):
and joy and being mindful ofsocial media, and those things
do make a really massivedifference.
They really do.
SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
Awesome.
Yeah, great.
I love it.
Makes so much sense anddefinitely have seen amazing
results by applying what you'retalking about.
So awesome.
Thank you.
Um, so I'd love to hear a littlebit about what how someone
engages with you.
Uh, I've seen your amazing postson social media, I've heard you
(49:59):
talk, I know you have createdmiracles with your work, but if
someone wanted to reach out toyou and take advantage of the
products that you've created andthe tools that you provide, how
does someone do that?
SPEAKER_00 (50:11):
I try to do my best of having everything organized
on my Instagram account.
It's how I launched my practiceand it's just kind of what I've
stuck to, didn't ever dabble inthe other modalities just
because I was like, let me focuson one.
And so I have recently startedcreating guides on Instagram,
and there's a health toolboxguide, there's a root cause
(50:33):
guide with like signs andsymptoms and supports and
testing.
There is just a health guide.
And so I'm really doing my bestto just put as much free
educational info out there righton my Instagram account.
There's tons of information andhighlights.
There is links to blog postswhere I've talked on important
(50:53):
organs and how to figure out ifyour organs are struggling and
how to support them.
I've done a lot in our grouppage, which is Root Cause
Formula, where people can go andread through highlights and get
information about just what doesit look like to work through
(51:14):
root causes?
Um, so those are probably thebest ways to just learn and be
educated.
And then if somebody is like,yeah, I really want to take this
the next step.
I offer two Blood Kim courseswhere I'm teaching the
information similar to what wewent over today.
One is just a basic coursethat's basically top one to
(51:35):
three reasons, a marker on yourlabs is high or low.
And then I have a full coursewhere it's like very in-depth.
Those are for like the peoplethat are like, I want to be a
practitioner or I'm apractitioner and want to know
more, or I really want to healmy child of autism.
It's across the board who entersthat.
So there's that information.
And then I recently brought onthree practitioners to help
(51:59):
guide people in their healthjust because I was at capacity.
I shut off new clients threeyears ago because I was maxed
out and couldn't accept anyonenew.
And they're awesome.
So they're great.
They are accepting clients.
So if somebody wants to reachout and just wants to set up a
time with them to just maybe goover some of these things with
(52:20):
them, that is an option.
SPEAKER_01 (52:23):
Great.
And uh your handle uh onInstagram, it's what is it
again?
SPEAKER_00 (52:28):
It's just my name, Emily Morrow.
Nothing uh extra special.
SPEAKER_01 (52:33):
Okay, well, I thought it was, but I just
freaking I'd asked.
Okay, great.
So, and then I know um if youclick on the link in your bio
there, there's a whole list ofthings that you just mentioned.
That's how a person can find allthis, a lot of this amazing
information.
And I can attest is veryeducational.
I was looking through it andlearning things the other day in
(52:55):
preparation for talking withyou.
So amazing, you could get awhole education on a lot of this
just by going through thatInstagram account, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (53:03):
Oh my gosh, the amount of messages I've gotten
of people who are like, I feellike I just went through a
college course.
Just I've spent weeks in yourhighlights and posts and blog
and all these things.
And I'm like, well, that'sawesome.
Because I would have loved sixyears ago when my health
collapsed to had have all thisinformation at my fingertips.
I never wanted someone else tohave to go through what I went
(53:24):
through, where it's just likeyou feel like you have nowhere
to turn.
You don't understand why you'refeeling the way you're feeling.
You can't put symptoms anddiagnoses of yourself even
together.
You're like, I just feel bad anddoctors can't help me.
So um, yeah, it's I'm such anintrovert that always surprises
people.
Like the fact that I got up andspoke was like a big deal for
(53:45):
me.
I'm such an introverted person.
So that account is solely toserve and help as many people as
possible.
SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Awesome.
Yeah, I would never suspect thatyour your talk was amazing.
And I listened to it and I lookat your Instagram, like, okay,
this person's out there.
SPEAKER_00 (54:03):
I just dabbled in the Reals world because
apparently that's the thingthat's you gotta do now.
And I'm like, I was so terrifiedbefore I did it, but I'm like,
we're just gonna, we're gonna gothere.
We're gonna do our best.
SPEAKER_01 (54:13):
Awesome.
Awesome.
Well, thank you for doing it.
Great.
Well, is there anything elseyou'd like to share before we uh
before we wrap up today?
Anything that you wanted tobring up we didn't cover?
SPEAKER_00 (54:24):
We covered a lot, I think just to edify what you
said, to not get overwhelmed.
Do the basics, get some basiclabs done, go over the markers
we discussed, you know, makesome notes next to your own labs
of potential things that couldbe going on.
And I mean, you're real big onbiohacking.
Optimizing body function is likeone of the best biohacks out
there.
So um start with the basics, andyou know, I think not being
(54:48):
overwhelmed is a big thing.
So, other than that, I don'tthink I have anything else.
SPEAKER_01 (54:53):
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here, Emily.
It was very enlightening andeducational.
I learned a lot.
I'm sure everybody listeningwill be.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
Absolutely.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (55:06):
Thank you for being here with us today for this
episode.
If you'd like to get moreinformation or work directly
with Emily, uh go ahead andcheck her out on Instagram.
You can find her at EmilyMorrow.
Um that's E-M-I-L-Y-M-O-R-R-O-W.
Or her website is theEmilyMorrow.com.
(55:29):
Both of these sites have amazinginformation on them, invaluable
resources, really.
So feel free to check them outeven if you're not ready to get
signed up or work with herdirectly.
You can get a lot just fromchecking out the information.
Thank you again for being heretoday and have a great rest of
your day.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.