Shaw Grigsby "It's Hard Not To Smile" on MERCER-224

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He is a bass fishing Hall of Famer.
He is a 16 time Classic qualifier, a nine time
Bassmaster winner. Oh golly, it's Shaw Grigsby this
week. I'm Bob Cobb for the Bassmaster.

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Welcome to Mercer. So here we go again.
Welcome one. Welcome all friends, family,
freeloaders, fishing freaks, andof course you, my humpers.
Happy hump day to all of you andwelcome into the Awkwardly
honest Fishing podcast that goesby my last name, which is
Mercer. This is the 224th edition of the

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Mercer Podcast and I hope wherever you're watching or
listening from that life is treating you well.
God willing, as you watch this, I'm either on my way to Michigan
or already in Michigan for the eighth stop of the 2025
Bassmaster Elite Series. That's right, the Elite Series
is finally back in your life after a bit of a summer hiatus.

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Really flew past. I, I, it flew past.
But I'm excited to get back to the Elite Series.
We got 2 great events to finish the season.
Lake Sinclair this week, two weeks from now we'll be in
Lacrosse, Wisconsin and it all gets decided.
They're all your RE qualification, all your angler
of the year, Rookie of the year,Classic qualification.

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It all comes down to these last two events and at the beginning
of the season, I'm assuming mostof you are no different than me.
You just wanted to be a fun conclusion, a tight race, and
it's definitely going to be that.
What an Angler of the year race we got going on.
We have the top three separated by just 13 points in the top 2
separated by two or three points.

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Leading it is Jay Securit. Trying to chase him down is
Chris Johnson, the reigning and defending Angler of the Year
champion. He's trying to become the 4th
angler ever to win back-to-back Angler of the year titles.
And in 3rd place, just 13 pointsback is Trey McKinney, which is
incredible because what a season.

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I mean, he had a train wreck at the beginning of season to
recover and to be in 3rd place just 13 points back is truly
amazing. But the guy who's been in
control and seemingly for quite some time now is Jay Shakur.
Can he seal the deal? He's going to get to close it
out in front of his home state crowd in Lacrosse, Wisconsin.

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So it's going to be a fun race. It's going to be an exciting
race. And like I said, as a fan,
that's what you want at the beginning of the season.
You just want it to be exciting when it all finishes up.
And two great venues, Lake SaintClair and then of course,
Lacrosse Wisconsin. So we are going to go from giant
small mouth to some of the most insane footage we ever get.

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Lacrosse's, I mean, frog eats cheese.
It's just it's I don't mean the cheese you eat, I mean the
cheese that the bass live under.It's just it's it's what I love
to see about bass fishing. So it's going to be a fun
conclusion. I challenge Jay to get an actual
polka band to bring him out in lacrosse.

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I don't know if that's going to happen.
I'm hoping kind of throwing it out here right now, if you're a
polka band and you're looking toget a little bit of notoriety in
the bass fishing world, hey, Holler at Jay Security or
Bassmaster. We'll get you to bring him out
right there in lacrosse. You're all welcome to join me

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this week in Michigan. Would love to see you.
And I've got good reasons for you to join that tournament
because we have two very specialguests #1Z Train.
That's right, Mark Zona, my brother from another mother,
will be with us Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
He's not just a hologram. He's going to be there doing
coverage with myself and Kyle Jesse.

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So I always look forward to hanging out with Z Make sure you
come by and say hello to him. He's a hugger, so make sure you
give him a hug. Not to Zona.
We also have Travis Pastrana is going to be in the house.
That's right, that name should be familiar to many of you from
Nitro Circus, from motocross, from well, just any activity

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that you can risk your life. He's pretty much done them all
and he's going to be at the Elite Series event this week
because it is Yamaha spot. It is sponsored by Yamaha, but
it's also sponsored by Yokohama and he is a Yokohama sponsored
pro, so he will be there for that.
So make sure to swing down and say hello to all of us.
It's always great to meet you. And after you've met those guys,

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find me and say hello to me because I always love shaking
the hands of the fine folks who will spend a little time
listening to this each and everyweek.
And allow me to call them humpers, because I mean, when's
being called a humper ever been a bad thing, right?
I mean, so be a proud humper. And I'm thankful for all of you

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other Bassmaster stuff going on.Just released the officially
unofficial earlier this week. It's been a few weeks since
we've done one, but check that out on bassmaster.com.
We get with four different anglers and we look at the 2026
Elite Series schedule that just got released.
We get their true and honest feeling of of where they're
going, where they're going to becompeting, where they would like

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to go in the future. We have some really cool
conversations, so make sure to check that out on bassmaster.com
and the other socials. As the week goes on, it will
appear. Now on to this week's show.
We have an incredible guest. He is an icon of this sport.
He's been a very busy man the last week.

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Really, I had no idea when we recorded this that he was going
to do every single fishing podcast there is to do.
But it's so he should because he's freaking shot Grigsby.
And when he announced his retirement, he deserves to be
showing the reverence that he, well, he deserves.
And so he's been on a bunch of shows.

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But I think we have a very cool conversation with him.
And as I said, he is an icon of this sport.
Whether you're a fan of what he's done as a competitor,
whether you're a fan of him because of his twenty year run
as ATV show host, whether you'rea fan of him because of the
innovation he's brought to this sport.
Shaw Grigsby is truly the term salt of the earth, one of the

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good guys. I mean, let's be honest, the
world could use a lot more Shaw Grigsby's.
And I'm thankful that this industry has him.
And I'm thankful that I get to call him a friend.
And I'm thankful that he is thisweek's guest.
Without further ado, let's travel all the way down to

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Gainesville, FL and. Hook up.
With the one and only Shaw Grigsby.
Chuck Grigsby, it's good to see your face.
Dave, it's great to be here withyou, man.
Always good to see you. I, you know, when I knew we were
going to record, yeah. I just thought about kind of a

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lot of memories that I've had with you over the years, whether
it's been, you know, working events, whether it's been
working with sponsors and, you know, different.
And honestly, the one thing thatcame to my head is just you're
always smiling. You're just a very, I mean, I
think I saw a quote a while ago and I'm a weirdo for quotes.

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And the quote said something to the effect of people will forget
what you said. People will forget how you said
it, but they'll always remember how they made, how you made them
feel. And and Shawn, you've always
made me feel freaking good. Well, thank you, Dave.
I you know, it's it, you know, Ihave bad days, but I can tell

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you it's when you make a living fishing, I mean, this truly is
such a great and unique sport that we're we're able to make a
living in. And, and when you make a living
fish a hard not to smile. You know what I mean?
It, it, it truly is, it's wow. That's all I could say.
The people are fantastic. The challenges that are around

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professional fishing, meaning everything from figuring the
fish out each and every minute and, and going along in your
tournament day and then all the rest of it with businesses and
everything else. It's a, it's a, it's an awesome
sport. And it's, it's just one of those
that I've just been blessed to be in for a long time.
And but you know, here we go. I first fished my first BASS

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tournament in 1977. Gosh.
So how old were you in 1977? I was.
I was 4. I still here's here.
I'll blow you away. I was four years old.
I still lived in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

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Really. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
We hadn't moved to Canada yet and we moved to a year or two
later. But yeah, so I was in Belfast
and you were kicking off your career.
I I don't know what's more shocking, the fact that we're
actually talking. You're talking to some kid from
Belfast, you know, did you? When people have the kind of

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career you've had, I mean, you're a Hall of Famer, you've
won a lot of tournaments, you've, you've made a mark on
the sport, you know that. And that's not boastful, even
the television end of things andeverything.
But if you look at like the whatyou built, I think people often
look at that and they kind of feel like, well, that that guy
sat down and he put a master plan together and he said, I'm

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going to do this and then I'm going to do this.
How much of this was planned? Like that tournament when you
went in 77, the first bass master event, what was your
plan? Have fun.
You know, I, I, so I'd read about it.
I mean, Ray Scott, you know, youread Bassmaster magazine and,
and you read about the tournaments and the, and the

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guys fishing in the tournaments and you're like, I love fishing
and I'm like, this is, this is cool.
I'd love to try it. And so, you know, you start
fishing local tournaments, you know, your club and, and
regional stuff. And I just had the opportunity
to do a one off, you know, tournament on the Saint Johns
River, which is only an hour away.

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And so, you know, it was one of those things where I'd love to
try it, love to see what it's like.
And it was real. Oh, it was amazing because you
know, Ray Scott, I mean, just amazing individual.
So we showed up at the registration was a full on
dinner. You know, you showed up and
everybody went through registration.

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You sat down at a table and theyserved you dinner.
I remember the green beans and Ican't remember if it was, you
know, chicken or something like that, but it was.
But I, I do remember the green beans and I remember, you know,
Rick Klun being there, which youread about, you know, I remember
all these great Rodger Moore. You know, if you remember Rodger

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Moore back in the old days, he had all these crazy jumpsuits
and a lot of guys had jumpsuits back in those days and, and, and
the lenders. And it was one of those things,
Tom Mann, the original, you know, Tom Mann.
And, and I'm just sitting there at in awe of these professional

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anglers. And then to make a check and
you're, you know, pretty young. I, I, I was born in 56.
So I would be, what is that, 2177?
Yeah, I guess that'd be 21 or whatever.
And, and so all of a sudden I make a check and I'm like $625,

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finished 28th. And it's like, this is really
cool. I mean, do something you love it
and get a check. That's really cool.
But no, I didn't have a plan. I just fished and I rolled with
the punches. So, you know, if no opportunity
opened up, you know, you kind ofwent with it and, and, and it

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led me to here. I mean, what can I say?
Not, not a bad, not a bad courseof events.
But before that, and I've never asked you about this, you were
his motorcycle racer. Is that true?
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't really good, but I did, I loved it.
We we would ride cycles and I had a little Hodaka Super Rat

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and 100CC and, and it was a really cool bike and we had a
lot of fun ride out in the woods.
And, and then we did a couple hair scrambles and I was going
to do, I didn't, I was going to do a motocross.
I entered the motocross and it was a short track and it had a

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lot of big whoopty doos and I wasn't the best at that.
And and very honestly, like the second major whoopty Doo in a
practice lap. I crushed my cojones.
Oh gosh. And I was like, oh, and I and I
said, this track just doesn't suit me.
You know, it doesn't have any, any good.

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And and so I I learned. Too much of a man for it.
Yeah, anyway, so I I loaned my bike to my buddy that that was
with me and he had a 125 Hodaka.So he rode mine because it was a
short track and had a lot of lotof crazy stuff in this track and

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he wasn't used to my bike. So on the opening on the on the
first Moto, he took takes off. He gets to the turn, you know,
you 90° back and everybody's racing into this little point
and and he gets there and he guns it and he's he's like mid
pack, but he takes out five or six bikes because the bike, my
bike's really quick. So it lifted up and and he

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wasn't used to that. And so he gets up last, gets up
last, gets on my bike and I'm like, man, I should have never
lonely. Just let him race his bike.
He's used to it. Well, he wins the Moto.
He just comes back and eats everybody's up now.
He was a good racer, man, not somuch.
But so I knew that really wasn'twhat I wanted to do with life

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was racing cycles. But I love, I love riding.
I kept that bike forever. And even when I was working back
in, in in the days when I had a little, my dad had a pest
control business and I was helping him and I would get on
it as a break and just take off and ride through the woods and
just, you know, just just enjoyed riding it.
Do you? When's the last time you've been

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on a motorcycle? Long time, long time.
Yeah, it'd be scary right now. Well, I mean, you're retired
now. These are things you can do.
I mean, you can you do a lot riskier stuff and we'll get into
that in a little bit. But so when you went to that

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first event, one of the things, first of all, you mentioned, you
said Ray Scott was an amazing person.
Was when you met him that time, did you think he was amazing
when you first met him? Or is it just what he
accomplished? And so like, did that come
overtime or was he one of those people when you first meet,
you're like, this is not a normal 1.
You know, so you meet him and he's, you know, he, he's so

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welcoming because every time that he got up at the, you know,
the registrations and all, he, he, he wanted to meet anybody
that was new. He said, man, come, I want to
talk to you, come by and say hi and let me know.
And, and so he was always that personable.
You know, I mean, he was, he wasa salesman and he was always not
only selling bass, but selling himself and, and, and did a

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great job. And so you felt a little bit
like family, You know, he, he soI didn't, I didn't go like, Oh
my gosh, there's Ray Scott. It was more he was, he was
incredible. And as you go along and you see
how good he was at everything, you know, and and you know, it's

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just like it was special. It was special.
So, yeah. And then to get to be, you know,
over the years, you get to be really good friends because this
is a it's like an extended family, Dave, you know that.
I mean, they, those, those people that you deal with on a,
you know, weekly basis and stufflike they just become family.
And, and so, you know, it was, it was special.

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I, I, I, I went to his, you know, his funeral or whatever
that we had. And, and you, you think of all
the good times. And I remember the last time I
saw him and talk to him personally and, you know, he had
gotten dementia and all, and I was really worried.
I was like, man, I do not want to have a memory of Ray that

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wasn't Ray, you know, and if youknow what I mean.
I and I was so blessed that he was he was Ray Scott that day.
And and we got to spend time anddo this almost bringing me to
tears. But what a cool guy.
What a cool guy. And and he you know, he
remembered pops. And because Pops and him, you

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know, they my dad would come andthen work the tournament.
And dad loved Ray. So in fact, I I got a picture
here, Dad and Ray Scott. And anyway, so yeah, special.
An amazing man and that that wasan amazing service.
I was lucky enough to be at it. It it just to hear.

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I mean, Ray was just such AI. I've always said like there I
don't think there would be bass fishing.
Like I think there'd be bass fishing, but I just think like
he's just that special person that came along and made it.
You had to be a ridiculous dreamer to to, you know what I
mean? Like it's a it's a ridiculous
dream to say I want to fish for a living, but it's even more

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ridiculous to say I want to makea league at a time where
fishermen weren't considered anything what it is today.
You know, I, I fished and, and Iprobably fished for 20 years
professionally. So that's got to put me into the
2000s, you know, are close to that, you know, upper upper 90s.
You know, before I had people respect the sport.

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So they would say, did you ever get a real job?
And I'm like, man, I get up at 3:00 in the morning and I go all
day. You're tired, you're worn out,
you're making 1000 cast. You're you're running from here
to there, you're making decisions.
You come in, you redo your tackle, redo your boat.
You get 3 or 4 hours of sleep when you're off again.
And you might do that two weeks in a row, get a day to go to a

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couple seminars or sport shows. And one time I left home and I
think I was gone for eight weeks, you know, before I came
back. And I'm like, that's a lot of
time away from home and a lot ofeffort and a lot of, lot of
work. And, and, and so, but now, Oh my
goodness, I'm so proud of the sport, you know, and so proud of
seeing the high school, the college, you know, college

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scholarships, the college, and they come out of there and
they're so good. These young anglers are
incredibly talented, incredibly talented.
It's it's shot. It's to me, it's, it's, I
couldn't imagine to see it through your eyes because to me
it just, you just keep seeing them come and how prepared they
are. And, and I mean, I remember, and

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I don't know if you were the same, but I remember the first
time somebody mentioned 01 day there'll be scholarships for pro
anglers. I'll be honest, I laughed about
it. I'm like, come on.
Yeah, sure. They're going to get a shirt
and. Whatever.
Now you get these kids that are,I mean, they're not giving boats
and trucks, but they have boats and trucks to use and their
education is paid for it. It is mind boggling how fast

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that part of the program has come.
Yes, it is great too. It really is great to see.
Yeah, yeah. What if you could go back to
that first tournament in 90s? Is that Thunder I hear?
We are in Florida, aren't we? It is every day, isn't it?

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Oh man, it's like I'm getting ready to do, you know, we have
hunting season start, you know, in different places.
And so we have a hunting season that's starting Gator season
where you actually capture and kill them and and process them
and get to eat the meat. And that season starts on the
15th. And so I am getting ready to

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prepare a bait because a lot of times we would try to bait them
if we can't get them just, you know, out and cast them and
stuff. And, and I need, I need rain.
I mean, I need sun, a lot of sun.
We got rain now every day for like a week and 1/2 or two
weeks, every day, every day, 40%.
It's like, you got to be kiddingme.
So timing, never know. They know.

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They, they it's just that's how the world seems to work.
I mean, I can tell you for the last 15 years, the fishing has
been best at home. When the Elite series is
happening, I guess just never and you're gone.
There will be, you know, there are certain bites that come, you
know, annually like that, you know, OK, like the crappie, I've

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moved into all the bays and it'ssuper easy in the spring.
And I'll have buddies talk to meand they'll be like, when do you
think it's happened? And I'll be like, well, it is
happening exactly. And I'll read like, when are I
leave on Tuesday? So by Wednesday they should be
hammering. And sure enough, I get pictures
the evilness that is this world.But it's a pretty good world as

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it. Is that it?
Is that it is? If you could go back to that
first tournament and give that young Shaw Grigsby some advice,
what would it be? Wow, man, you know, I don't, I'm
not that deep a person, but I can tell you that, you know, I

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think that, you know, The thing is I had such a passion for it
and there's so many young anglers that have a passion for
it. And, you know, I always respect
what Denny did with Chad and he told Chad that I'll help you any

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way I can, but you're going to get a college education first.
And so, you know, I would say make sure because that gives you
Plan B, that gives you backup. And I think I would tell
youngsters that, you know, to, to make sure you have a backup
because, you know, it's a tough sport and these guys are so

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good. And, and to make it in the
sport, you, you have to really work at it and you have to want
it and you have to spend a lot of time.
You can't, you can't give up. And, and, and it's one of those
things that just, yeah, I think I'd have to say because if
things don't work out, you need to have, have something to do,

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you know, something else to support a family or to, or to
make a living in, whether it's in the industry or not, whether
it's in sales or, or communications or something like
that. But I don't know.
I I mean, that's, that's always,that's a tough question,
especially to a young one, because with me when I was young
like that doing it and I didn't have a plan.

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I didn't have a like a I'm goingto do this as a living.
I actually fished really hard and I and I made checks in the
state of Florida and around fishing a little bit outside
the, you know, the state just kind of southeast region type
deal. And in 84 now I'd fished, I

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think 5B ASS is by then, so I'd fish it when they'd come to
Florida. And in 1984, I'd saved up $8000
in tournament winnings. And I got married In 80 and 84,
I saved up 8 grand. And at the beginning 84, I said

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I'm stepping out as a professional.
I had enough money. I felt that 8 grand would go two
seasons. Yeah, I had eight grand today.
We'll go not even one tournament, right, You know, And
so the differences are monumental from back then.
So I figured I could fish two seasons and if I wasn't good
enough to stay on and, and, and get somewhere and learn

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something and make it that therewas going to be a Plan B for me.
And, and, you know, things worked out.
So, you know, I think in 84 November that year, so I
started, you know, that that wasthe end or middle of the season
because bass would always start in September and end in May and
then we'd have a classic in in July.

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August usually was first week ofAugust, end of July, beginning
of August. So I started, you know, in early
84 and fished the end of that season and then the full season
for the 8485 Classic was my first full season.

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And in November of 84, I won theRedman All American, which was
the first check for $100,000. It was given to an angler.
So that was one that said that'spretty cool.
That gives you some money to travel to do whatever.
And it kept me on course becauseI can tell you that 8485 full

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season, I got my butt kicked on the BASS circuit.
So I fished. I went to the Ike back then it
was AFMA, AFDMA, which is a big tackle show.
I went to AFMA and I had compiled a resume.
You know, this is going to be myfirst real time at doing this
stuff. So I compiled a resume and I'd

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fished 34 tournaments from January to June into June
because AFMA was like first partof July.
And I made a check in 32 of them.
And the two that I didn't make acheck in were two BASS checks,

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you know, and, and I just got beat up.
And the next year was no different.
I got, that was in the beginningof 84, then an 85.
I, I just got whomped again. But then the 8586 season, things
turned around and I was struggling and and I made the
classic. So you make the classic for the
1986 classic and at Chickamauga and and, and things just start

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to roll and you just have to keep going.
And, and so, you know, perseverance is a little bit of
it and fortune, another one to win the Redman All American to
give me the money to stay out there.
But it happened in that two yeartime frame.
I had two years planned and it happened in that two year time
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tournament, specifically the Redmond All American, it is
amazing. Like if you look at the winners
of like the career starters thatthat was to so many, you know,

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major players like Hall of Farmers, people with careers
like yours, it's incredible the start that that gave to so many
angles. Yeah, it is pretty cool.
I mean, Rick Klun won the one. I think the next year I, I, I
went out to promote, promote it because they had the All
American out in out West, in Havasu and he mashed us out

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there. Of course, Rick Klun matches us
anywhere you know it. That's that's just one of those
memories I have. I got to get paired with some of
these guys and I got paired withRick, I think three times, at
least two times I can remember it might be 3.
I'm trying to do it anyway. And every time it's it was
spectacular. One time he showed up it he came

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with a baggie, a zip lock baggie, you know the 1 quart zip
lock bag that was his tackle box.
Well, and he and he scared. Me there, I didn't know what was
in the baggie. For a second there.
You scared me. It had, he had a couple hooks,
some weights, maybe a worm or two and, and what was on his rod

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And he just, I mean, he's, he was that good.
He had so much confidence and, and in that and he did he, it
was amazing. And I learned so much from being
with him. I just, you know, I, I fished
with him. So he fished with me at the
Harris Chain and we had a great day.
And then I got paired with him at Powell, Lake Powell and I go,

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well, he's West Coast, you know,wonder he's won all these US
Opens and all this stuff. I said, I'm going with you
because he immediately just said, I'll ride with you.
You know, this is your stuff. I ride with you.
There was no question of of flipping for a boat or anything.
And then and it was pretty much the same way with that.
I said, no problem, I'll ride with you.
You're the man. And man.

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I learned more in one day with him about shade and all about
the fisheries, the West Coast fisheries that you could have
learned in a lifetime. You'd have to go fishing a lot
to figure out what he taught me in one day of fishing with him.
And it's just spectacular those days.
I kind of, you know, you don't have them anymore because you

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don't pro put pro and pro in theboat.
You don't share the knowledge anymore.
So a lot of that sharing of knowledge was was really
special. But at the same time, now it's
much more professional in the sense that this guy doesn't
affect what this guy does, you know, so you, you're on your
own. You, you really truly are on
your own. So it to me it's much more

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professional now than what it was back then.
Was did Kwon carry like the, I mean, people almost talk about
him like he is a mystical character nowadays, you know
what I mean? Like he is like, if you were
writing a novel, Klun would be acharacter, a fictional character
you would create, you know what I mean?
He disappears in the misty hillsof the Ozarks in between

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tournaments and just meditates. And did he carry that same kind
of mythical aura then? Oh yes, Oh yes.
But he, you know, he's always been a very mental angler, you
know what I mean? Just just and, you know, so it,
it Powell, it was pretty cool. So, you know, Powell was a a

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struggling kind of place. And we ran, you know, just got
in his boat, ran up the lake. And he pulls through this little
crack hole in the wall of this sheer rock bluff, you know, and
goes through this hole. And I'm like, where the heck are
we going? And all of a sudden opens up
into a little pond and he said come on up.
So I'm up on the front deck withhim and he's letting me throw in

(31:54):
front of him. It didn't matter.
He's not. He wasn't trying to do anything.
When he caught his fifth fish, Ithink I may have caught 2, but
he caught his 7th fish. I think it was a 7 fish limited
back then. But when he caught his limit, he
looked at his watch and he goes 43 minutes.
I didn't think it's going to take that long.

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I'm like, really, I've just busted my butt to do this.
And he's he truly is he, I mean,what a he's, he's one guy that,
you know, when I started my career, that was a guy that I
really looked up to is him and Klein, you know, Klein coming
out and never having a job except professional angling that

(32:42):
was. Pretty and so rare at the time.
And now you look at how many people?
Do. That do that like, I mean,
there's a ton of people that have never known anything
outside of professional fishing.It's it is wild those draw days.
Everybody didn't always get along though, did they?

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Like like I could imagine it was.
It would make great television today.
Yeah, it would. You know, we had.
There was one guy on tour that his and his deal was to mess
with the big name pros. So he loved to get drawn with
them. And he would drag you as a big

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name pro in the middle of the lake for his half a day.
He'd call his half a day. He said, you know, we'll flip a
coin and take it, whatever. And he would put you in the
middle of the lake with nothing around and just fish and and
shaft you for 1/2 a day. And so we would always sit at
the draw and we'd listen for hisname.

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We're like, Oh my gosh, here he is.
Hope it's not me, hope it's not me.
Or you get drawn ahead of it andyou go, thank goodness.
And but yeah, he did that to quite a few guys.
And I don't know what possessed him to be, you know, evil, but
you know, and I it one of my first draws almost took me out

(34:06):
of fishing. I won't bring up any names with
it, but I I got drawn with this guy and he coached me and we
were on Toho Kissimmee chain andhe coached me to use go with
him. He said, man, you can have the
front, you can do all this. And so I I trust, you know, I'm
a young kid. You know, this is like my second

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BASS or third whatever in the winter ever was in Toho.
So I get out there, I go to one of my little spots and we pull
in and I hop up and I'm running the trolling motor.
Well, he walks around, we're flipping, you know, he walks
around in front of me, gets on the little pointy end and flits
in front of me and I'm like, what?

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And so it was it was one of those startling things when you
have a bad draw, it makes you question whether you want to
really be in this sport, you know, but I didn't get a whole
lot of those. I I was blessed.
I got most of that guys were really, really good.
I mean like Klein, I, I paired with him I think 3, three times
at least the first time 1984. So I'm first out.

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The first tournament of the 8485season was on the Hudson River
and I was a leading angler of the year in the Redman the the
Gator division. So I fished that.
I had to fly up and and and fishwith a buddy and fish as a no
boater in that one. And I got paired with Gary and,
and he's like, man, come on up, fish right?

(35:32):
Was with me, you know, and, and the, the, you know, he treats
you like you were, you know, been fishing with him for 100
years. I mean, that's, that's who those
guys were. And and so, you know, you have
situations like that where everybody you get with is really
good, but you might have one or two, you know, just kind of
turkeys. Yeah, yeah.

(35:53):
It's cool that I mean, you had to just everybody just had to
know each other even more. So like you look at now, I mean,
a lot more virtual meetings where you guys don't even have
meetings. And at that point, I mean it,
there's no better way to start arelationship with somebody than
spend a day in the walk on the boat.
Exactly. I mean, you, if you don't like

(36:14):
each other, it's going to be very uncomfortable.
But but most of the time you endup no matter.
I mean, if you take a media event, you go to a media event,
you're paired with different people, you leave the boat
always with a new friend. Right, exactly.
You know, and and nowadays, you know, I fish a tournament and
the only guys you really know oryou get to talk to are the guys

(36:36):
that are in your flight. Because you take off with them,
you come in with them, you get to talk at the tank, you get,
you know, as you're waiting to weigh in.
And so you get a little relationship there.
So when they're in your flight, you pretty much get to know
them. But if they're not, it's like
you might see them at a distanceand not see them at all during
the tournament. You know, they come in, weigh
in, they're gone. And same here.

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And we go to gas up and get things done.
And so, yeah, it's a, it's a different, different sport now
than what it was back then. Everything evolves.
When you look back at your career, can you like say that
was the big moment in my career that or is it just the entire

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body? So probably for my own
satisfaction, we had a megabucksat Harris Chain and I LED all
four days. So I LED every day of of the
qualifying. And when that happened, that was

(37:38):
a turning point that told me, Hey, I can do this.
And, and that was really a majorpart of me, you know, stay in
the course and keeping going and, and keep fishing.
And because fishing is, it's a roller coaster.
I mean, it, it's a sport, it's aroller coaster.
You'll have a good one. And you're, I mean, you win and

(38:01):
you're higher than high. And then next, next two
tournaments, you can't find a fish.
You're like, you're in the middle of a donut.
You know, they're everywhere around you and you can't catch
1. And and so, you know, it's it's
there's a lot of those roller coaster.
So yeah, I think that was one that that really, that was the
one that really set me apart andsaid, hey, you, you can do this.

(38:25):
You know, it's not just it's notjust fun and games.
You can actually make a living and do this.
And that was really kind of cool.
How many times throughout your career did you go through that
stages where I mean, because it's such to watch anglers, you
see anglers when they're at their very highest and then you

(38:46):
see them when they're at some oftheir lowest.
It's the same person, but it's and they're technically still
the same, but mentally they feellike a totally different human.
And I think that's normal in life, even to you go, I mean,
you shouldn't be the same person10 years later, you know what I
mean? You should always change, I
think. And but how many times in your
career did you find yourself questioning your ability to to

(39:10):
do this? Yeah, there were quite a few.
And I, I can't put my finger on like an exact, but I'm going to
say there was probably, you know, four or five real
questionable times where I was like, man, you know what, I
can't, I mean, there were thingslike I'm like, maybe my hands

(39:31):
stink or something to fish mail me.
I I mean, there were times when I was questioning everything I
did because I just couldn't catch them.
And, and so you'd go on dry spells and, and you're really
worried about that. And, and, and I've had guys come
up to me and say, man, how do you get out of these slumps?
And, and because every one of them gets into it at times, you
know, and, and the best thing I can say is you just keep

(39:53):
fishing, keep holding the course, be who you are, keep
fishing. And and it will happen and and
it'll come back around and and you know, so, yeah, that's
that's true. But there are a lot of lot of
those that happen, you know, where you just you question
maybe I need to take up golf. Is it harder to win or harder to

(40:18):
get out of one of those? They're both extremely tough.
So winning encompasses everything.
It means everything has to go your way.
You know that that week and you,you have to be on them.
You have to make the right decisions.
You have to not lose fish. And so you got to be on point.

(40:40):
And in fact, before I was here, I was, I was, I watched a little
blurb of Hackney and I don't know if he won or not.
It was a little burb. And I got a feeling it was from
an MPFL, but I'm not sure. But he said he had a 30 LB sack
by, you know, 830 or 9 O clock in the morning.

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And he said, you know, the firstfish he throws A crankbait out,
he cranks a spot and he hooks his fish comes up, kind of jumps
and it's like a 7 something. He's like, Oh my goodness.
And he's cranking. All of a sudden it felt really
weird, like like he'd lost it and then caught it again and he
didn't know what happened. But it's like he hooked a whole
different fish. Like it wasn't a bass him or
stripping him and doing all kinds of stuff.

(41:22):
When he got up to the boat, he had one treble in the tail, in
the tail of the fish and he landed it and then he managed to
whack, you know, that 30 lbs. And I'm assuming he did really
well in that tournament. But, but what I was saying is
that things happen like that, that where you probably in any
situation would have lost him, but in this situation, you

(41:43):
caught him and you end up winning.
You know, that, that last win at, at Harris chain for me, you
know, I, I, I worked hard at that one.
The first day I didn't catch that much and I'm in, I'm in the
hunt, but I didn't catch much. The second day I caught almost
30 lbs. So I caught the big bag.
I had a 10 even in that bag. And then the third day I kind of

(42:05):
hung on in the 4th day was really a hang on, you know,
where everybody comes up and goes, Oh, you got this, you got
this, you got this. And I'm like, I don't have it
until those fish the scale and that says I've got it, you know,
till you say I got it. I don't have it.
So, so I'm sitting there going, I'm sitting there going, you
know, this is this is really, really tough.

(42:26):
And, and so, but I caught A10 pounder on a swim bait that, you
know, I hooked it and, and, and caught, I mean, it was a
fragment of the, of the skin andit still helped.
You know, it should have just popped out, ripped out if I had
forced it a little too much. But just the way I fight him,
the way I fight fish, he didn't jump as much and I get her in

(42:48):
and I win the tournament. So there's little, little pieces
like that that that, you know, make that winning, getting out
of the slump that it can take a lot longer and and a lot more
fortitude and a lot more. Just keep going and keep
practicing. I think a lot of times you try
to force things and when you force thing, I tell you this is
this just takes me off on a tangent real quick.

(43:10):
I tell youngsters, when you get in a situation and you're
winning a tournament, right? They go into the final day and I
see this over and over and over that they get into a final day
and they don't do good on that final day.
And I said First off, you want to relax.
You want to have fun, you want to enjoy the moment, but you
definitely want to relax becausewhen you go into that final day,

(43:31):
you are keyed up, you are wanting to win, you are excited.
I can guarantee your hook sets are faster, your your movements
are quicker. You're going to move the baits
quicker. You need to relax and, and, and
I tell youngsters about that when you get in that situation,
were you getting ready to ruin your first or you're getting
ready to win one? You need to remember, slow down

(43:54):
a bit, relax and enjoy it and don't force it because you'll
miss fish because you were reacting too quick.
You actually it it elevates you to a level that is not good for
your fishing. It's wild to look from the
outside and watch because there's certain people and you

(44:14):
and I think that's what I equate.
And I'd love to hear your opinion on when people use the
term learning to win. And it seems like, you know,
I've heard people over the yearsbe like, oh, baloney that, you
know, but to me it feels like there's something that happens
when people win that all of a sudden now they've got they've

(44:35):
got the results to the test almost.
And, and on the opposite of whatyou explained seems to happen
where all of a sudden on that final day, all of a sudden
they're more precise. They're more, they slow down
instead of speed up. Is that just hocus pocus stuff
that I'm making up or is that real?

(44:58):
That's real. I mean, you really do it.
It seems like once you get one under your belt and I I've seen
it in so many anglers coming along and they struggle and they
struggle and they struggle and all of a sudden they start
figuring it out and then they just mash them and it's just
really, I mean, Edwin, I remember Edwin coming up to me,
Edwin Evers and one of the all time greats.

(45:19):
You know, he'll have a Hall of Fame, everything.
Edwin came up to me. We're fishing at Clear Lake and
we're coming down the banks, down the Tule banks, and he
comes around a point, not comingaround a point and he's like,
man, he said. So what do I got to do?
You know, And he he was just it was in his early times and he's
struggling and he's and he's anddude, look what happens, you

(45:42):
know, and I wasn't bite wasn't bite.
Don't let me get there wrong oneby my advice at all.
It was that he stayed the course.
He kept working at it and next thing you know, he's learned and
he's figured it out. And then he just keeps smashing
them and then, then he's unstoppable, you know, and that,
that that's really cool to watch.
And I see that in a ton of anglers how they, they start out

(46:05):
and you're like, man, I don't, Idon't know this guy's ever going
to make a check, you know, And then all of a sudden they're
rolling and just rocking and rolling.
So it's fun to watch. So don't give up.
If you're in that situation, don't give up.
Just keep going. Yeah, it's it's wild to see the
evolution of like anglers and then what happens to them once
they get that and it's and it feels like from the outside, it

(46:28):
feels like the and the more you try to say to them, like when
it's going bad, it just worse. Like you can't like something
has to clip could because if yousay to an angler, hey, you
caught him today, that's your turning point out of the slump.
That doesn't matter. They need to feel that like it's

(46:49):
what does that feel like? Because you've had times where
you were pretty unstoppable. What does it feel like when it
is firing like that? It's, it's fun.
I mean, you go into every tournament knowing that you're,
you're catching them, you know, and, and things just fall into
place. And I mean you a lot of I
remember at a classic in James River and I'm, you know, I've

(47:13):
got I've got a pretty good bag and I'm running, just running
out of the Creek and I'm gettingready to head back to weigh in.
You know, when I'm way up in thechick, you know, the chick Omni
up there and I come around this corner and it just shut me down.
It's like, man, throw at this corner right here, you're going
to catch 1. I shut down real quick, spun
around wakes going take my crankbait to catch one.

(47:34):
Throw him in the boat, throw another time.
I think I may have caught one. But anyway, turned around cold
and I'm running again, you know,and I get all the way to weigh
in and I can guarantee you I stopped at weigh in.
You know, we still could fish right by the, by the Marina
there. And there was a little point of
rocks and I'm making a cast withmy crankbait and everybody's

(47:55):
pulling in and there's all the people on the banks.
And I knew 100% when that bait left the tip of that rod that I
was catching a bass on that cast.
I knew everyone, even a questioncaught him bring him in.
And I finished like 11th or something in the classic.
But I'm like, those days are special and they're they're

(48:18):
really cool. You'd love, you know, Rick was
able to tap into that a lot. But when you're rocking, it's
that way. It's that you know, you know,
you know, here it is and it's happening.
So it's it's really special. They call it being in the zone.
I don't know, I just call it being being focused.
You're you, you and and it's real special.

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Is that the one of the greatest feelings on earth?
Yeah, yeah, it is neat. I mean, it is a lot of fun and
and I love and you know, I'm I'mnot one of these guys that I
love watching people compete. I love watching people do that.
You know, the the Johnson brothers there and they are

(49:03):
studs, man. When you talk about going to the
Saint Lawrence, you just go ahead and walk away because
you're going for second. You know, you might beat them,
but it's going to be a rarity. And and and it's fun to watch
guys that are really good watching the guys at forward
sonar that are really good at it.
You just go, Oh my gosh, and then you go do it and you you're

(49:24):
going. But how are they that I mean,
they know the size of the fish, you know, before they make the
cast. They know, you know, the right
presentation and and the the right bait to work and then how
to work it to get them to eat. And and you know, I can do that
some, but I'm not I'm not nearlywhat these guys are.
That that, that they've used it that many hours and and it's

(49:47):
like, wow, yeah, it's cool. Why with that technology
specifically, why do you think there's people that are just
better at it? Like is it, did they commit to
it? Have they done it lot like?
It's it's ours. I mean, it truly is ours.
It is how much time do you have behind the unit really studying

(50:08):
it. And so if, if you study it and
you set it on a particular scale, you know, and you keep it
on that scale all the time, so you don't adjust it, don't
change it. You know, whether it's, you
know, 20 down and 100 out or whatever you have, you know,
I'm, I'm trying to mainly stay in normal waters at 15 and 100,

(50:29):
but sometimes you have to changethat.
Well, then you get to see the size of the dot of the fish and
you get to make that cast and you see how big he is.
And you also a lot of times whenI'm fishing it's it's I'll look
at fish in Clearwater and then see them on my screen.
So I know what a 7 pounder lookslike.
You know, I know what a 8 pounder looks like.

(50:50):
And if you know that, and then you can see everything from the
fin movement, the tail movement,you'll see that, you know my
active target too. I'll see a fish turn.
Y'all see a dot and I go, OK, there's a fish, you know, I make
the throw and I go, Nope, don't want that one.
You know, he'll turn and you know that's a big old garfish.
I don't want to touch that, you know.
But when he's facing away, all you see is the dot.

(51:12):
You see a dot of a fish when he turns sideways, you're like, no,
don't want to have anything to do with it.
So, but these guys are 20 times what I am because they started
in it it in high school and thenthey're fishing all these
competitive tournaments through high school and college and
they're using this every day. And it's like you, you get

(51:33):
pretty good at it. You get pretty good at it.
And, and I had a guy that's a crappie fisherman and I and I
loved fishing with him. He invited me to come fish up
there in, in Mississippi, whatever the great copy Lake is.
I'm an old guy, so I forget stuff anyway.
But he was so good, thousands and thousands of hours that he

(51:53):
would look at that fish and he says that's your 3 pounder,
that's what you want. And that's not, that's not a
copy. This is, that's going to be a
carb. This is, I mean, he would take
every fish he could tell you what it is and tell you the size
of it. And I'm like, wow.
I mean, that's just wow, wow. Where are you with that

(52:14):
technology? Do you do you think it's a good
thing for the sport? Bad thing for the sport?
It's definitely the most talked about thing in the freaking
sport. I, I think it is a great thing
for fishing, OK. I think it's an incredible tool
for fishing. And I mean, to be able to see

(52:34):
the fish and know that they're there.
And I think it's one of the mostincredible teaching tools.
We have learned more about bass and bass behavior because we
know actually where they are. We don't think that's where they
are. We don't, you know, all this
from the 60s and 70s and 80s, all this stuff that we thought

(52:57):
we knew about and we talked about bass fishing and all that
and their movements and, and it's, it's like you can throw it
all out the window. I mean, you just throw it all
out the window. I got Bassmaster magazine here
by me, everyone, and I'm going to throw them all away.
They didn't mean anything, you know, And now exactly.
Now, you know, I mean, you, you see them live here.

(53:18):
That's where they are, you know,when they're out there chasing
bait And, and so, yeah, I think it's the greatest, greatest tool
ever. Now is it good for tournaments?
Yeah, you know, on the one-on-one, like what we do,
it's really good on a partner situation or a pro am maybe not,
you know, because that guy in the backs going to struggle a

(53:40):
bit or he's not going to have the same results.
But you know, I so a lot of times a site fisherman, so a lot
of people in site fishing, you got a bed and fish and and
they're like, well, doesn't do me any good.
I'm in the back of the boat and he's bed fishing, you know, but
I would go and I'd either get a big limit or I'd say, oh, here's
a here's a 2 pounder, 3 pounder,which is really helpful.

(54:01):
I said, you catch this one Therehe is.
And I'd point him at it and I'd let him throw and throw and I'd
teach him what he's doing. I said, OK, you, you got him set
the hook. He'd set the hook and catch a
fish. And when they worked with me, we
both have good, you know, and that's what you could do also
with forward sonar is you get your good limit and you're or
you're efficient and you go, well, here's one that's that's
probably not as big as what I need though.

(54:23):
Right there, you know, 30 feet out and whatever and and fish
low and and, you know, maybe he catches it, maybe he doesn't.
But the point being is that, youknow, the angler, it's up to the
angler to make those Co anglers have a good day.
And, and so, yeah, I think for some of those situations it's
probably not the best, but man, I I wouldn't give it up for

(54:43):
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(55:04):
better. Now back to the show.
Has anything throughout your career made us stirring like
this has like, I mean, it feels like like, you know the old
saying you shouldn't talk. What should you not talk about?
Politics, religion and what was that?
There's another one, but it feels like you should add
forward facing sonar into that list.

(55:28):
Yeah, because you can, you can get some enemies.
Well, that yeah, the Daggum Alabama rig.
I was, I was. So, you know, when they came
with Alabama, I really got why worry about it?
But man, it got people up in arms.
And I'm like, really, I mean, just leave it alone.
If it's illegal in the state, you do it, you know, I mean,
that's all there is to it. And and and there were so many

(55:48):
whiny cry babies about the Alabama rig.
I just laughed, you know, So I always like jabbing a bit on
that too, you know? But yeah, so there are some
things that that created those issues, so.
Yeah, you, you told me about when you win, things happen, you
know, that are unexplainable. But there's also the opposite of

(56:12):
that things. The guy who finished his 2nd
place, third place, that the story that's not told quite
often. And, and, and weirdly enough,
guys don't want to tell them, you know what I mean?
They kind of hide them because they're like, I don't want to
sound like that guy, but you, I'm sure, had a bunch of those
throughout your career. Yeah, You know, I've had, you

(56:33):
know, nine wins and BASS, I've had more wins, you know, with
other organizations and stuff, but the nine wins of BSS.
But I've also had 11 seconds. So I've had 11 times where I
didn't knock it out of the park,but I was this close, you know.
And so, you know, you, you thinkabout that and you're like,

(56:54):
yeah, that's just a fine line losing this fish.
You know, 1 was a a terminal in Okeechobee.
And I I actually was throwing a Johnson spoon, Johnson gold
spoon and reeling across the flats.
And I came across a like a deal where a prop mark where a boat
had plowed up and torn up the grass.

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There was a little strip. And dude, I watched this one.
That was 8 lbs just choke the the spoon just disappear in his
mouth and I crack him, you know,and I fight her and she turns
her head and I'm like, I got her, you know, and comes off and
I finished second. So, you know, and, and so, you

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know, those happen over and overagain and, and sometimes it just
doesn't, doesn't work out in your favor, but sometimes it
does. And when it does, you better
enjoy every minute of it. They don't come around a lot.
No, no, it's freakish how littlethe margin of victory is in pro
fishing It it really bit of a sickness with all the people

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that enjoy it like I want to do this sport that I almost never
win at is is not what most people want.
I think you told me once a storyabout the classic in Chicago.
Am I remember that where you hada fish that Bassmaster Classic
champion? Yeah, yeah, I I some that that

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wind. And so there's a good story
about this. So that that was when they first
came with those, those life jackets that were inflatable,
you know, and they were automatic.
So if you got wet, they would inflate.
And I remember the winds were sobad.
I mean, it was just huge waves and it looked like you were at

(58:44):
the beach with a big wave comingin the and it would start
curling at the top and then break, you know, and I'll get to
the story in a second. But I remember coming in and
Glenn going man, his his life. Jack was all blown up from the
waves that, you know, he says, Iwas coming in and, and, and when
they go out, it's not when they go off, it's not quiet.

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It's like this big Quinn and andhe said it was like the hand of
God got me. It's like wrapped him up and it
pinches you down and you're like, and it blew up on him.
But anyway, Glenn was saying that and I was like, that's
funny as heck. So and, and, and I get back to
the story, but here we go. We at the end of the tournament,
the classic, we pack all our stuff up and I take my life

(59:28):
jacket home, right? We're flying home and I stuff it
in my son's backpack in there. We throw it in the in the the
cab and we get a cab to the airport.
We get to the airport, he pulls his backpack out and his
backpack blew up. We threw the life jacket in the

(59:49):
garbage can and had to repack all the stuff and throw his
backpack away because he just blew it up.
Anyway, all right, back to that story of the classic.
So we we're fishing there and I had him out on a flat and the
waves were just. It was ugly.
I mean, when I say ugly, it was ugly.
You really thought if you were sideways to the wave that it

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would roll you, you know, it would just turn you over.
And you know, like you see some of these things in the big waves
and the beach and the boats and stuff.
And, and it is the same sound you hear that build up and then
the waves cresting and going. And so I'm throwing a tube and I
found some really nice small mouth out there and I throw a
tube and I throw it out and you're moving so fast.

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I mean, it just makes you, you know, go along because of the
waves and the wind. And all of a sudden I look down
and I see this big and I mean it's probably a 4 LB small
mouth. And I see him and I go, Oh my
gosh. So I start reeling real quick
to, to go on this, you know, to get a cast of this fish because

(01:00:52):
my, I throw my tube out there and just before I get where I'm
getting my tube, he goes and andmy tube bait comes out of his
mouth. He had it the whole time.
And I see him spit it out and I'm like, and then you lose by,
you know, 2 lbs or something ridiculous.

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But yeah, that was, that was, that was pretty funny, man.
And that happened to one of the greatest sight anglers in the
sport. So maybe it's because you're
such a good, you have such good eyes.
An average angler wouldn't even have seen that.
They just wouldn't have realizedwhat they that's the useful

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make. It was, it was pretty funny.
It was pretty, I mean, it, it wasn't funny.
I thought I could still do it and I still had some fish and
that I could get in and fish, but that that whole wind deal
out at Lake MI was just, it was brutal, truly brutal.
Yeah, yeah, that was it. All in all, I think Deemed as a

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brutal classic. Yes, it it was it's a little
known fact the very first classic I ever attended.
I drove down there to and it wasthe icast AFMA.
I think it was still called at that time.
They did it one year where the ICAST in the classic were one
unit and I think both equally failed.

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And I remember Soldier Field wasempty.
I mean, there was a bunch of people, but it's freaking
Soldier Field. Yeah, it was, it was truly, it
was, it was embarrassing becauseif you remember Tricia Yearwood
saying, and, and I guarantee that was probably the smallest
crowd she sang to in her career other than a little bar or

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something, you know, and, and I mean, she was awesome, you know?
And. But anyway, that was enough of
that, Yeah. Yeah, wow, Wow.
Well, this this sport's been pretty good to you, I said at
the beginning of our conversation.
When I think of you, I think of you making me feel happy.

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When you think of this sport, what does it make you think of?
It makes me smile. I mean, I, I love it.
You know, the biggest thing I'm going to miss are you guys, you
know, the, the anglers. I, you know, every time I drive
to a tournament this year and, you know, I think about it, this

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is probably going to be the lasttime I see this lake or I go to
this place or I, I get to experience those, you know,
early morning sunrises with the,the, the, the fog tornadoes that
we get to see every morning. They're spinning off the water
and some of the cool stuff that we get to experience.
And, you know, I think about that.

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But the real thing that I'm going to miss are the guys, you
know, that's an extended family.It's it's you know, I'll miss
the conversations, the dinner dinner with Paul Elias.
You know that he's been my roommate for a lot of years.
The, the times I've just fellowship with everybody.
That's going to be, you know, the biggest thing I miss of the

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sport. So but it, it brings a smile to
my face. It it's I think it's in good
hands. I truly do.
I I think that people create a lot of conflict that doesn't
need to be there. That just happens.
That's kind of human nature. But I think that the the sports,
the greatest sport that is existed, you know, and not to

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blow your horn, but you do a fabulous job of what you do.
I mean, you truly do and but it is in good hands and I look
forward to watching these guys, especially some of these younger
guys, come on and just and just catch them.
And it's it's going to be fun tobe a fan.
And I I'll still fish some I'm I'm going to I'll probably fish

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a Toyota series here or you know, who knows?
I may even fish an Invitational,you know, out there that you can
get in one off type deal. So, you know, that may still
still be a part of, of my life and, and I can tell you I'll be
back in New York because New York that that Thousand Islands,
that Saint Lawrence River, Lake Ontario, that truly is one of

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the most magical places to go fishing ever.
And I just do it in June, you know, like June 15th to the end
of June to begin in July, Any ofthat stuff that's that's going
to be a vacation and, and I willplan on that.
It is a magical place. Thank you for the kind words.

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Here's the amazing thing about you, Shaw Grigsby.
Most people, maybe they're a little more sane when they
retire, they move to Boca Raton and they sip my ties on the
beach or do whatever they do. They play Yahtzee.
I do all sorts of things. Not you, Shaw Grigsby.

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You're going to fish for bigger game.
You're a freaking this is blowing me.
You know I've been obsessed withyour Gator hunting you and Bryce
out there chasing it. Like, I've been obsessed with
this for a long time, but you'reabout to do it even more.
Yes, yeah. So we do nuisance Gator hunting.

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So when one gets in your swimming pool or one Gator,
troublemaker Gators. Troublemaker Gators.
Yeah, yeah. So we don't just go get Gators.
And but yeah, they're they're sometimes really big and real
aggressive and sometimes they'renot.
Sometimes they're in a place that that they're not that
aggressive, but they're in a place that they can really, you

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know, hurt something bad. So we get calls and in fact, the
interruption, the one interruption we had on that,
that I don't know how my do not disturb didn't work, but that
was the Gator trapper. He probably called to say, Hey,
we got to go get a Gator, but I swiped him off real quick.
So I'll talk to him after it. But so we we get sorry.

(01:07:05):
Whoever's poodles get it eaten because of this podcast, I
really apologize. We, we've, we've had two calls
and this is sad. We've had two calls this year
where the Gator ate the pet, youknow, the household pet.
And, and that's really sad. And, and so, you know, we get
these calls and we capture them alive, which is stupid, but

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it's, it's the best thing that we can do.
So then we take them, so we capture them, we close their
mouth, we, you know, put electrical tape around it a
whole lot to keep them from opening up.
And then we take them to places like Gatorland Gator farms
around the state and, and, and release them there so they're in

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a better place and they get to live their life out there as
opposed to chasing guys across the street and stuff.
So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a service and it actually is
really fun. So I know you're going to come
with me sometime. I want to get one of these.
And, and it's in the cool thing is this is rod and reel.

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So this is fishing. And I think that's why, you
know, we, we kind of hit it off the, the, the trapper who's Ron
Sanderson and I hit it off so good is that, you know, I have
these fishing skills, but they transfer to the Gators 100%.
So we take a rod and reel with ait's a 3 autrocar treble and I,

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I tie like an ounce oz and a half two ounce tungsten
underneath the the treble and and it's sharp because it's got
that trocar point. I tie it on to 80 LB cigar braid
and a loose super duty reel and a loose super duty rod.
It's a 711 like musky rod. That thing will cast like a

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mile. So you whip it out there, you
reel it across, you seam up on top, you reel across if you
hooking and that shows you wherehe is.
Now most of the time he can takeyou and and get going, but it's
like hooking a big bass. What happens with a big bass?
He's going to take you strip, drag and all that and you got to
chase them. So that's what we do.
We chase them down a lot of times if they bed down on the

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bottom, we might have to put a second hook or a third or
sometimes we take a big hook, a throw hook until we get them up.
We'll put a lasso around their neck until they get real tired.
We fight them and then when theyget real tired, they don't want
to do anything. So then we can close their mouth
and tape them. And I actually threw a couple in
my Triton boat. I had had one, I'm driving the

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boat the other day. I had to take a picture.
I got a picture on my phone of aGator head sitting on my lap
just like a puppy, you know, it's about a 7 or 8 foot or he's
laying on in my lap like you're a nice puppy right there.
And I'm driving the boat so. But he is taped.
He is taped so. Good Lord.
I mean number one, I know you'veonly been retired for a week,

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but you have not lost your ability to drop a sponsor plug
shot Greek speak, Gator story. Or not.
That was wonderful. So the average day of a Gator
hunter like you just wake up andwait for the phone to ring.
So what we what we do is we'll get, we'll get a call, you know,
say, hey, we've got one. And this one's, you know, being

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aggressive chasing. I can't let my dogs out, can't
let my cat out, can't do this or, or it ate one of my deals or
it's chasing my kids like my kids can't get in the lake to go
swimming or whatever. And so.
Tourism loves this conversation,yeah.
You know, we most of the time Gators are scared of you.

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It's when when somebody starts to feed them.
And so if one somebody on the leg and it's illegal to do this,
but they tend to do it, they're just, you know, you're, you're
not supposed to do this to feed a Gator.
Once you feed a Gator, then he goes, hey, that's the source of
food. So now he's coming after you and
he wants to get fed. And then you can't have kids
walk in the bank and stuff like that.

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And so, so anyway, they'll call this one 800 number state of
Florida will take that and send it to Ron and, and Ron and I go
get the Gator or Ron will get iton his own or he'll say, hey,
I've got this one, you got that one and we'll take off.
And, and so, yeah, it's AI mean.It's a lot of fun.

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I, I mean, all I can say it's a lot of fun to fight.
You know, A78910 foot, 11 foot we've got, I think we have maybe
4 this year, 3 or 4 / 11 that we've gotten that are just
giant, old massive Gators. Are they?
Is that the biggest like an 11 footer?
Like what do you keep records ofsuch things?

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That's the biggest that that that we've got that, that, yes,
that's the biggest we've gotten.So we had one that was a 11/1
that we were dragging him in. We were in a Little John boat
and we should have taped him on the water, but we didn't and we
had him. Bryce is in the front of the
John boat and he's a big kid, soit's sitting low.

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He's got him with the lasso around his neck, so he's holding
him and we got another rope on him and Ron's got that.
And I'm trolling motor with his little motor guide on the back
of this John boat pushing towards the bank.
Well, he's he's kind of been drugged a while, so he's kind of
resting. He's just like, oh Doo Doo Doo.
He turns around and he hits thatboat and he blows holes.

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So it looks like you shot it with a 45.
So there's two holes in the bottom of the boat right next to
Bryces feet, 1 hole in the side.So he just got the side in the
bottom and water shooting up like you put garden hoses in it
and we got a mad 11 footer on the outside of the boat hanging
on with the rope. We're like, we're going down
with a mad 11 foot or so. We, we managed to get out of

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that pretty easy. We got Bryce out of the front of
the boat and got him to the backof the boat.
And then I moved to the center. So we got the weight to the
back. And once the weight got to the
back, the bowel lifted up and there was no more water coming
in. But if not, we'd have been
sticking fingers in and getting the boat to the bank.
So but but we do have a lot of fun doing it.

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Yeah, sounds like a blast to me.Is it fun?
Like in that moment, Shaw, is itfun or is it not like afterwards
when you get in the truck, I cantotally.
It's like a roller coaster. You're freaking out the whole
time. You're like, why did I do this?
Then you get off and you were like, that was exhilarating.
But are you like when you've gota Gator chew in your boat and

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it's about to sit? Like, is that fun?
I, I thought it was really cool.I think, I think, you know,
Bryce probably didn't care for it right there.
He had another one this big 11/6or 11/7, whatever we got the
other day and he was on the front again and he, and he had
the rope on him and, and I had him, I had him hooked.

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And so this Gator comes up and does one of these greyhound
where he just comes up and comesdown and he was so huge and he
came up right beside the boat. He was literally this 11th and a
half giant was literally probably a foot off of Bryce's
shoulder and totally able to if he wheeled back and wanted to

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grab his shoulder and he could have done that.
But you know, the immediately when I see it, you know, I just
back off. I let him go down.
So he just greyhounded and we'reand we're all just like, Oh my
goodness, was that not nuts? And and so, you know, Lucas
Black, Lucas Black is fishes theinvitations with us and, and a

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great angler and, and, and a really, I mean a great Christian
good good buddy of mine. He had a shirt one day and I
said, man, I, I, I wish you madethat with a Gator on it.
It had deer horns, but it says we do dangerous things
carefully. And I love that statement.
I love it because that's a nuisance trapper.
You do really dangerous things, but you do it as careful as you

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can. So you still have your arms and
legs and and your life. So, but it isn't a need that
Florida has because people do stupid stuff like feed them.
If they didn't feed them, we probably wouldn't have to do it
very much at all. Stop.
Feeding the friggin Gators. People switched.
Sean Grigsby's telling you stop it put him out of business.

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It it, it sounds wild. So So if I if me and you do

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this, when should we do it? Like what time of year is the
best? Oh I so we would get in that
April, May, June, April, May andJune.
It is stupid. When I say stupid, it is like
6-7 calls a day. OK, normally December, January,

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we don't get very many calls, right.
But this year we probably had five or six in December.
We probably had just as many in January.
And those are the cold months. You know, when it's cold, Gators
are hibernating and they're they're not really an issue, but
we had some good calls then. But once you start getting into
that March, April, May, they really get to happen.

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And so you might get lucky if you're in, you know, if you're
in town for, I don't know what your schedule is for next year.
When's your first Florida tournament or do you come to
Florida next year? We're not going to Florida, but
I'll make a special trip for this.
No, no Florida or Texas. Wow.
People said they wanted a different schedule.
I'll show you what I'll do. I won't go to the two states

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that everybody goes to. Well, yeah, no, it's going to be
very different, but I'll make a special trip for this.
I mean, because. I mean, it's Gator hunting with
shot grigsby, I mean. I'd love, I'd love to take you.
It'll be a lot of fun. And yeah, so anytime really,
April, May, June is incredibly crazy.

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So if you have an open time or, or a week or, or you don't need
but a day or two and, and come down and, and I'm pretty sure in
those time frames we're going tohave some, you know, and, and
quite a few actually, so. So we just sit around waiting
for the. Probably not.
So what'll happen is we get so many calls that we can't handle

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them all right, So we will end up having 5 or 6 that we have to
get in this location and two over here.
And and so we'll we'll have Gators.
We'll have Gators. So it it shouldn't be an issue
once it starts to get warm. Do you pre or do you how do you
pray it? You know the word, so how do you

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like prioritize? That's exactly the word the.
The E Gators, we call them an E Gator.
It's emergency Gator. That's the first one.
So those, those who usually havebe at somebody's front yard or
at their doorstep and they can'tget out and, and, or they'll
have a police officer waiting, you know, like keeping an eye on
this one. Like we got one right here.

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You know, I had one on campus. The other they had to go out
about, I don't know, 10 or 11:00in the evening.
And there was a 7 1/2 footer or something, almost an 8 footer.
And, and she was on the road andthen walked down this boardwalk
and they didn't want any of the students or anything to get hit.
So, you know, they, I come in there and I take my lasso and I

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walk down to this Gator and it'sturns and hissing at me.
And so I, I, it kind of snapped at me one time and I said,
you're not getting away with this.
And I slowly you, you know, got to go slow so they don't, you
know, bite everything. I got it around the neck and I
cinched it down. And then it just rolled and
tumbled. And I, Kirk walked it all the

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way off the off the boardwalk out to the street, tied it up on
a pole until it got tired. Because you got to get it tired
because you can't, they're so fast, you can't take control of
them until they're tired. And so you want to make sure.
So I'm, I'm tapping it. I've got this cushion, you know,
the cushion that I use on the end of my rod.
I've got one of those on a wood dowel and I'm tapping it and

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making him, you know, do stuff. And, and 1st, you know, he bites
my cushion and it's in his mouthand I finally get to jump on
him. And then I get the cushion out
of his mouth and tape him. And it's a little harder to tape
him. One, one person, you know, you
got to kind of put because you're holding his mouth.
You got the tape, you kind of push the put the tape under her
finger and then tape him as bestyou can and then and get him to

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do it. So one, one man job is, is
what's really kind of, it's a challenge and it's fun and, and
you know, Ron does it all the time.
He gets he'll, he'll get a 10 1/2 eleven footer and do it all
by himself. And I'm like, man, you're nuts.
That's just like, I think he likes having us around though.
Yeah, I guess so. Gosh, I mean, school's out.

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I'm. I'm in my head.
I'm envisioning all these drunken students at 11.
What was it, a Friday night? I'm imagining a Friday night.
Don't tell me. Don't change the dream.
And you just tie this to a tree so I can flip her?
Like, is it a tree you tie? Like what are we?
You know, it's one of those concrete pole steel poles that
they put to keep your car from going into, into where the, the

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students are. So I tied him to one of those.
It's about, you know, 8-8 inchesaround or something.
I just wrapped it around to it and, and, and, and then just let
him keep going till he finally quit.
But it was really amazing how fast they are.
I mean, they're truly incrediblyfast, you know, animals.

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Yeah, yeah. All right.
Well, I can't wait. And I feel like I'm somewhat
panicked here because I now, I know that earlier in the podcast
somebody was calling you about aGator.
So I don't want to take too muchlonger of your time, but I
wanted, I want to try something with you.
We've we've brought these out atdifferent podcasts, but we've
never done this. These are the cards of honesty.
I'm going to you were bringing up names.

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And if you saw earlier, I went and grabbed them because you
were bringing up people you fished against.
This is from the season of 9293.There is Shaw Grigsby cards in
here. So I'm just going to randomly
pull out cards and and I want you to just tell me a story.
Give me a comment on that person.
That's cool. We'll just quickly go.
OK, so the first card I pulled, and this is a strong first pull,

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if I don't say so myself. One keto hip didn't.
Do the the the man was amazing. I mean truly a a gifted, gifted
sight fisherman and a gifted angler.
I mean fishing, jig fishing and all the rest.
He was just all around gifted. I got be paired with him on the
Saint Johns River and I think itwas a super Bass tournament and

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it opened my eyes. He he we went to salt run
spawning and I was thought I wasdecent at sight fishing and I
didn't even have a clue what to do.
So I would fish it and he said, are you done with that one?
I go, yeah. And he thought, and he put him
in the live well and I'm like, Igot a lot to learn.
So that's Guido. Yeah.

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Tremendous, tremendous angler. Tremendous.
So. People are going to think I'm
making this up because I mean, this is too strong of a pull
next, but the very next card in the deck, Danny.
Brown Golly yeah that's that's aman that I respect so much in
the sport because he he did it right I mean he truly did it

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right and and the way he he did with it, which I said earlier
about about Chad, the way he didit with Chad.
I, I just admire that so much that he just sat back and said,
you're going to school now this is going to college when we
didn't have college fishing and,and he said, Chad, I'll do
everything I can to help you, but you're going to get an

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education, get a degree 1st and then you can come out and do
what you want. And so Chad would go to school,
go off to school and, and work hard.
Then he'd come home for the summers and he guide every day.
So we had all this experience ofguiding and then he comes back
out on tour when he, when he graduates and he wins and he
does good. Now he's chosen to go back into
teaching and doing that a lot better for family.

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So the life on the road, if you see the guys that were their
kids, like the Robinson kids andand Randy Howe, those are all
homeschooled, you know, because being on the road is a is a
tough thing. So, but in the lane, same, same
type of thing. They they actually stayed home
and and went to school, but theystill had great teachers.

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But overall it's a tough life. So he's chosen to be with his
family and I think I respect that so much, but I respect
Denny. If it was a flipping tournament,
it was you weren't going to win.You were looking at second or
third or whatever. Because he's, he's the man.
The man. These are still strong pulls,

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the pride of Cherryville, NC. One guy love guy.
Oh my goodness. So yeah, he wow, yeah.
So guy, you know, and he still fishes.
He still fishes, you know, the the opens and and what a
tremendous guy probably want to just the all around just nice

(01:24:35):
guys that you want to meet. But in the early years, he was a
spinner bait guy and, and a wormguy.
And I set back and listen to some seminars that he did.
I never got to be paired with him.
I got to hang around him a good bit and, and got to know him
real well. And, and yeah, he, he's just one

(01:24:56):
of those guys that could make a spinnerbait talk and really get
a fish into, into, into, you know, trigger him into eating,
eating it. And so, yeah, he, he's special.
Special I mean I don't know how many of these we're going to do
we'll do a couple more but this poll these polls are incredible
these are all in a row Larry Nixon you know dude, you're not

(01:25:22):
going to Kate, please I wish we had the technology to rewind it.
This is hocus pocus stuff. You.
I want to hear about Larry Nixon, but I'm just going to
show the viewers who the next the next person I pulled is
right after this. This was not set up.
OK, Tell me your Larry Nixon story.
I'm sorry. I'm just trying to prove
something. New I believe I'm going to tell

(01:25:42):
you my Larry Nixon story, but I believe that if you look at the
cards and you turn them over, itshould be by Angler of the Year.
There'll be a number so Angler of the year that year and I'm
not sure if your cards are in that order. #4 it's this says
#4. What does mine say?

(01:26:03):
Yours is the very next card. Like how ridiculous is that?
I just literally number. 3:00 Soat that year, I was probably #3
for Angler of the Year and Larrywas right behind me.
But Larry, Larry is truly, he's the best worm fisherman that
ever existed. OK, I always, you know, the old,

(01:26:24):
old guys did it good. But Larry was the best and, and
he was tremendous all around. And he was a super, super nice
guy. I mean, just one of the nicest
guys want to be around. And he's the only angler that I,
I had on my list that I said, that's a guy that I wanted to
get paired with, that I wanted to fish with and I never got to

(01:26:47):
be in the boat with. So that's my, that's my miss
story. You know, the one that you
missed out on was, was that one and oh, wow.
I mean Texas and just he, yeah. And he won.
I mean, he was like our all timemoney winnings forever and, and
top of the top of the list. And, and, and like I said, he's

(01:27:08):
just, it's really cool to look at this, that you, you know, you
go back and you go, that guy wasawesome.
Now you might find one as you goback in the pack that that was,
you know, a Turkey or something.But no, those guys were truly
and these are the thing about those guys, every one of them
that you pulled right there. They got in the sport because of

(01:27:29):
the love of the sport. It had nothing to do with money.
They there was no money in it inthe early years, you know, but
they love the sport and they pioneered the sport and they
drove the sport, made it what itis And, and just, you know,
blaze the trail for all these youngsters that are out there
today. And, and thanks to Ray and

(01:27:51):
thanks to Bass and thanks to to the guys that were willing to
put it out there when there really wasn't any money in it.
You know, it was it was surviving.
It was, you know, that's what you were doing And and you know,
by their, their fortitude and their and their strength of
doing that and then them being so good at it.

(01:28:12):
Then they got all the sponsors. The sponsors are what paid the
bills, you know, and kept them kept going in and yeah, man,
super, super guy. Wow, wow.
I'm still blowing away that likewe ended with you.
I said we were going to pick five.
I never. I mean, I could have like set
this up, but again, I'm not organized enough.

(01:28:35):
You do have an ornery one next, though, Ron Sheffield's next.
So you said you said we might come across someone ornery.
Ron, get a little ornery. But I mean, I literally want to
have you back on here just to just to pull cards.
I love hear the stories. I mean Chet dothit.
I mean there's soap. I mean, it's, it's, it's what

(01:28:57):
the foundation of this sport wasbuilt on.
And you're a big part of that. And I thank you for for just
being the person that you are, man, You've, you are, you've
always been a a great friend from the very first day I met
you. One of the toughest things about
the split was not getting to work with you.
And, and, and you know, like yousaid that everything about this

(01:29:20):
sport is the people and you're one of the greatest people in
this. Sport.
So thank you. I feel the same about you, Dave.
You, you're amazing at how you handle what you do and there's
not too many people that can do what you do.
Stand up on that stage and know everything about everybody and
it's and, and remember it and keep it in line.
And yeah, so thank you for carrying the torch and thank you

(01:29:44):
for continuing, you know, promoting and and keeping bass
fishing at the at the top because competitive, competitive
bass fishing is, is truly a an amazing sport, special sport and
and I hope to see it continue togrow.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, thank you for the kind
words. I didn't say nice things about

(01:30:05):
you, so you'd say nice things about me.
Here's all I'm going to say whenwe go Gator hunting.
Don't get me. OK, I'll, I'll make sure you
come back with all your fingers and toes and hands and all that
stuff. Thank you Shaw Griggs for your
awesome. Appreciate you, Dave.
OK, so that was a wonderful conversation with Shaw, but I
got to be honest, I'm still in shock.

(01:30:28):
Over the cards. Of honesty.
I mean, I literally, I mean, if you had written the plan, OK,
we're going to go through, you know, four kind of legends, and
then the final guy you'll pull is Shaw Grigsby.
That'd be a great plan, but there was no plan written.
If you watch the show back, he starts talking about older

(01:30:50):
anglers. I actually go back and reach the
deck of cards thinking that'll be a fun way to finish this show
to have Shaw be the final pull. Is.
I, I wish I'd like to take credit and say I'm good, but I
was just very, very lucky and lucky is a keyword with this

(01:31:12):
show 'cause I think we're all very lucky to have had Shaw
Grigsby as part of this sport. He is an incredible human both
on and off the water. I thank him for his time, I
thank him for everything he's given to this sport and I, I
can't wait to go. Deal with some nuisance.

(01:31:35):
Skaters with Shaw it's it's going to happen.
Maybe we'll make it a show. I I don't know, but thank you
all for watching. Make sure to like comment,
subscribe, do all those things that help stroke the algorithm.
I'll see a bunch of you this week in Michigan on Lake Saint
Clair. Make sure to say hello.

(01:31:56):
Have a great week. Enjoy being and as always.
Bob Cobb, take it away. Thanks for watching.
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