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Kyrin Down (00:00):
Not only is history written by the victors, it's altered by the academics.
Welcome,
mere mortalites, to another round of the mere mortals book reviews. I am your host here, Kyrin, live on the 08/13/2025.
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And as you might surmise, this is the podcast where I opine about the chronicles
of the past
and literature.
Okay. No. I don't do that. I don't even really know what that means. And that's actually a kind of common theme that we'll find today in this book here, The Lessons of History by Will and Ariel Durant. So So this book was published in 1968,
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102 pages in length, and probably took me three to four hours of reading to get through. It's rather small book.
Really, really doesn't take that much time.
And
it attempts to sum up the history of humanity
across several categories
of, I guess, what you'd call human activity.
So they really delve into, like, a lot of examples from the past,
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in terms of things from like the ancient times of Rome, civilizations, things like this.
But they also add in their own, I guess, personal opinions throughout the book.
There's 13 chapters and they are focused on things like
biology.
I can read them out to you here. History in the earth. Biology in history. Race in history. Character in history. Morals in history. Religion in history. Economics in history. Socialism in history. Government in history. History and war. K. Is progress real? Okay. Random sort of stuff. So it's probably, what, five pages each for each of those, roughly
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five to 10 pages. So,
that's the kind of sum up. Let's jump into the actual,
themes and questions that you'll find with this book.
What is there to be learned from history? And if this book is anything to go by,
essentially nothing.
I'm gonna be
frank upfront here that this book review is not gonna go for a long time, partly because the book is short in itself, but also because I just really did not get anything from this
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as I was going through it. I'm just like, okay, you know, you're listening some things off and,
there's certainly plenty of examples of history in here. But in terms of lessons from this,
I was really kind of grasping and going like, what can I take from this? So, you know, going over all of these chapters,
they do reference a lot of historical facts,
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socialism related to the Incas, for example,
religion in Babylonia,
biological birth control in Rome. So we can see how they're linking to these
chapters
and themes that they had kind of found as a commonality.
And I didn't actually have any problem with the way they split the book up into these chapters.
It reminded me very much of the kind of Dewey Decibel system that you'll find within
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libraries, which is the ranking of books into the kind of portions or categories of human thought activity and things like this. There's some minor differences, but you know, the religion,
socialism, governments, these these are very broad
topics, biology, race, all of this sort of stuff. They're broad topics which I think are worth looking at and as as a kind of historical perspective.
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But the summaries
that I did not find any learnings or lessons from what they took,
Sometimes a condensation of
much data of swathes of
examples and things like this,
knowledge patterns across
that history and data can be very, very useful.
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But this book was not that. Instead, it felt more like the authors were opining, as I said, or having a haphazard attempt at
adding their own opinions into
what were should be perhaps a bit more dry and historical.
And instead of focusing on the knowledge, it was focusing on these more
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difficult to answer
questions, themes that were, I guess, more qualitative than quantitative.
And so what did they do wrong in particular? Why didn't I really get anything from this?
Well, it focused almost exclusively
on Western
with a little bit of Europe, well, European and I guess Western history in general. So they talked a lot about, you know, the ancient Greeks of
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the Roman civilizations
of The United States Of America, of Britain,
but very, very little about Asia, Africa, Latin America or The Middle East. It was extremely skewed,
towards the, I guess, what you'd call a Caucasian perspective, if you want to put it like that.
And so,
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even though they did reference some, the there was not much at all. I I'm really struggling to recall any times that they mentioned Africa. And if they did, not much.
So
that ratio, I think, didn't help in terms of we're talking about the lessons of history. Well, probably should be titled The Lessons of Western History if you're if you're going to focus more on that.
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And then
the other aspects were
just some random things. It's it feels like a very outdated book. Like I mentioned, it was 1968.
So it's what, 50 something years old. But
that's we're talking about history. We're talking about thousands of years here. So fifty years here or there shouldn't make a difference.
I feel like we've
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found out most about, you know, the ancient texts in terms of things like, sure, there's there's new discoveries, but not that much. Everything that is to be known about the past
has probably already been kind of dredged up. And now we're just using more
interesting ways of using technology
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to perhaps look at sediment layers underneath the surface, which they wouldn't have been able to do. And in the 1960s,
but very much it just felt like a perspective of someone from that time as well. So they had this section on race
where they were giving, I guess, credence or
the point of view of, I guess, what you'd call eugenicists
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or
racist or supremacists of some sort and talking about, you know, this is perhaps how the, well, this is how the Aryans
thought under Hitler. And this is what were some of the thoughts of other
period of civilizations and things like this.
And
whilst they weren't agreeing with it,
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they certainly didn't push back on it as perhaps hard as you might think nowadays.
And
yeah, perhaps just not being outspoken enough.
So it was kind of weird reading that section and be like, why are you telling me this is just random. It's just random.
I really couldn't understand what they were doing.
And, you know, for example, they're talking about how there's 2,000,000,000 colored people and 800,000,000
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whites.
And
that just shows, you know, the population of Earth is
is what doubled, tripled since then. So,
yeah,
it felt outdated. And finally, the one image that they have in this book, so the the whole book is text apart from this one thing, which is on
page number
32
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33.
And you'll see it on your screen here, and I'm holding it up to the camera, the same same thing,
which talks about the table of character elements. So this is character. There's human character across history. And they've broken it up into instincts, habits, and feelings, and then a positive or negative of each of those. And then there is action
or sleep, fight or flight, acquisition or avoidance, association or privacy,
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mating or refusal, parental care or filial dependence.
And
I have never seen anything like this before. I have no idea where they got this from.
They,
you know, we might describe human nature through the table of character elements given on the following page.
I I just don't know where they got this from. What in particular made these sorts of things, and it's essentially just a word salad.
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What are the habits? Play, work, curiosity, manipulation. What are the negative? Rest, sloth, indifference, hesitation, dreaming,
imitation disorder.
There is nothing to take from this. Absolutely nothing to take from this. Just bizarre and unhelpful is,
how I would describe that, which I feel
describes this book in general. So jumping on to the authors, some extra details.
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The Durants, Will and Ariel,
were born in the eighteen hundreds.
She obviously took his last name and died in 1981.
So, actually, how does that make sense? Because wasn't this book put yeah. 1968.
Yep. So, that does make sense. Not 1986.
The,
he was thirteen years older than her, and he married her when she was 15. So he was 28.
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And he was her high school teacher at the time and quit that so that he could, you know, marry her.
So obviously they are a bit out of the box, bit
unusual, willing to bake, break trends or bake break societal norms, things like this.
She also changed her first name to a Shakespeare character because I believe she was of,
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Eastern European,
descent or at least her name very much seemed like that, her original name. And they both gained recognition for, I guess, the
story of civilization.
So they were historians. I think it was probably more Will, and she was helping him out with this, but,
it's kinda hard to tell.
And,
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Will's other book, which was called The Story of Philosophy, or he had many books, but this was the most prominent,
was his his most other notable. And he received criticism
for,
really only focusing on the Western philosophy and not including much of Asian. And
that
is
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basically what I got from this book as well. So probably a common theme,
that he has done in these books first focusing more exclusively on on Western sort of stuff. Totally fine. But you should probably write that and say the the histories of,
the lessons of Western history or the story of Western philosophy, something like that. So,
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in terms of the actual book itself, the style
was fine. It's not exactly rigorous,
but I don't think you can be in a book like this because you're talking about human history. So I think what they did, which was mixing in
quotes, observations,
examples,
I thought that was fine. Not really arguing for a point, more bringing up the general themes. I thought that was relatively good as well. The thing that got me most and what I referenced in the title here of Historians Attempting Poetry was that they were trying to be poetical,
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particularly in their sum up sections of
a chapter. So typically they would have
four to five pages with the examples
referencing, you know, people from history. I'm just reading here, Morse, Edison, Ford Wright, Marks, Lenin, Mount Seesung.
That's that's totally fine. But in the last kind of paragraphs,
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they would go a little bit off topic and
wax poetical. So here's the,
ending of the,
chapter growth and decay
and the last paragraph.
Civilizations are the generations of the racial soul. As life overrides death with with reproduction, so
an
aging culture hands its patrimony
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down to its heirs across the years and the seas.
Even as these lines are being written, commerce in print, wires in waves, and invisible mercuries of the air are binding nations and civilizations
together,
preserving for all what each has given to the heritage of mankind.
What do you meant to take? Is that a lesson from history? I don't know. That just kind of kind of sounds like them trying to trying to wax poetical and,
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sound fancy or something like that.
So
the problem I would say with this is that they're academics and I personally
didn't think that poetry was very good and it felt to me like it stuck out like a sore thumb that they were trying
to include things instead of being like, you know, here's some lessons from history
of how wars get started or something interesting about war. They would then start talking about like, you know, the muse and and stuff like that. So yeah, a lot of a lot of things like that, were was was my impression of this book. So going to the summary, similar book recommendations,
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I found this a rather average book. In fact, I found it below average.
Thankfully, it was small and quick to finish off, so
I just finished it. But I really can't say I took a single thing from this. There's nothing from this where I'm like, that's an interesting lesson of history. It's just they listed a bunch of random
theme. Well, not random. Random ish themes,
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including a bunch of
observations
of historical facts, I guess you'd call them. But there was no lessons to be taken from this. So,
look, it's a hard task to summarize
history in general, so I'd give a little bit of leeway for that.
The
unfortunate bit is that they just did it really, really poorly. So overall, this is eminently
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forgettable.
I can't recommend, and I'm giving it a one and a half out of 10, the lessons of history
by Will and Ariel Durant.
I wouldn't really bother with this book, which is rather funny because why did I read this in the first place? Was,
there was a Lynn Alden recommendation
who, she's kind of like a podcaster, I guess, if you call it a podcast guest,
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who,
I find rather sensible, smart person who seems to have a pretty good historical perspective on just general topics.
And she recommended this book. So I was like, oh, it's probably pretty good. So
that wasn't what I found,
and has made me call into question any other book recommendations that she has had.
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Or if so, I should focus more on the financial stuff because that is what she is more involved in being a financial
person. So,
no other books really come to mind in terms of summing up lessons of history or history.
To be honest, you're probably better off just picking a niche and diving into that
much like I did recently with,
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Lord of the Seas, with, the Athenian Navy and that kind of historical perspective.
That's probably what I would recommend if I was going to read some more history books, which I will do, and I'm probably not going to be looking for a book that'll try and sum up history in general because it's a pretty hard topic or pretty hard task to attempt. And we're judging by this book, it's so that it didn't do it very well. So that's it for today. Short one. Thank you very much for joining in. This is a value for value podcast. I do all of this free upfront. No ads, no sponsorships, no,
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by
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ex prime minister, president, prime minister of Singapore.
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I have just finished Chip War,
which is all about the semiconductor in industry and kind of the history of of how that got created and where we're at right now.
I
have got a couple other Asian books. I just started one called Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Goldacre.
And
one
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