December 30, 2020 • 42 mins
This week, Sara and Rosalinda get down and dirty with the latter half of the MET Gala Luncheon. They talk the Mary - Jen divide and try to get to the root of their issues. Next, the duo looks at Whitney's Jiu-Jitsu prowess and marvels at her ability to tackle both her father's addiction and her brother as well... In rolling fashion, they next take a look at Meredith's crumbling relationship with Seth and further question if either of them has ever really been on a first date... In contrast, they explored Lisa's "eternal" marriage and breakdown the logistics of such a relationship. Bringing it back around to the Jen - Mary conflict, they examine their two responses post-MGL and finally come down on the decisive victor. Finally, they talk the Heather x Mary dinner and delve into the harmful effects of sparkling water.
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Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:07):
Hey guys! Welcome back to Met Gala
luncheon, I'm your host Sara VanTuerenhout and I'm joined by:
Rosalinda Mendez (00:13):
Rosalinda!
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:14):
And this is a podcast where we break down
our favorite reality TV shows,and just dive into the craziness
that ensues. This week, we'relooking at Episode Five of The
Real Housewives of Salt LakeCity, "Ladies Who Lunch."
Rosalinda Mendez (00:28):
And we pick up where we left off with some
drama happening
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:34):
At the Met Gala luncheon. Again, our
namesake.
Rosalinda Mendez (00:37):
Exactly because it's the place to be
like you right now listening toour podcast.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:43):
Yeah. But unlike the MET Gala Luncheon in
the show, you won't be leavingfeeling awkward and
uncomfortable.... hopefully!
Rosalinda Mendez (00:50):
And you unfortunately you will not be
leaving with Louis Vuittonheadphones, but...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (00:55):
*interjects* Maybe one day! ...Use our code.
No. But yeah, so we have thesecond part of the Met Gala
luncheon, where we kind of leftit off last week, with Jen and
Mary kind of starting to blowup, and here we kind of see
what's happening. Jen is openingup about her life growing up and
what her life is like growing upin Salt Lake City, and she
(01:17):
brings up this point saying thatshe says everything that
everyone else is thinking outloud, and Mary had a problem
with that.
Rosalinda Mendez (01:25):
Yeah, I think that basically, Mary was just
trying to say, No, you just saywhat you're thinking, and this
is your way of justifyinggetting away with being mean.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:36):
Yeah.
Although the way she said itvery much sounded like I'm
better than you, and I wouldnever say anything that you
think or say. Because you're solike, unrefined...
Rosalinda Mendez (01:45):
Right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:46):
...And not on my level.
Rosalinda Mendez (01:47):
Exactly. Which of course, then went all the way
down to Jen being called ahoodlum.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:53):
Yeah, which is just... Mary knows what she's
doing when she calls Jen, a"hoodlum" or what she's saying
or doing as "ghetto." Likethat's intentionally trying to
hurt her and have a dig at Jen.
So like, we come into thisluncheon to kind of iron things
out, like that's the guise ofthis whole thing. But as Jen is
cut, yes, maybe you could sayshe's kind of giving herself a
(02:15):
pass for what her personalitybecause of her upbringing, and
that's just the way she is, andyou have to accept it, because
she's just a very fierypersonality. Mary isn't really
doing much to try to really ironthings out.
Rosalinda Mendez (02:32):
No, and she breaks her first rule, which is,
Jen becomes super. I mean, Ithink for Jen, she was trying to
be very honest and open withwhere she was coming from, and
at least she was trying to openup, which is what Mary said she
wanted. But then when she did,Mary stomped on her, and it's
(02:54):
funny, because you kind of seethat, you know, Mary, very
upfront, an hour before Jenstarted sharing said, Hey,
everyone gets to speak. Nobodygets to chime in. But she went
in for the kill, which wasreally, really, I think, pretty
mean.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (03:10):
And then she had the audacity to say, Oh,
I didn't know I could do that. Idon't remember saying, I don't
know.... "who said that? Whosaid that?" She said that, and
yeah, she just doesn't want tofollow her own rules. She really
did set up that whole luncheonto just be mean to Jen, you
know, because she was tellingLisa, how she didn't want to
(03:31):
invite Jen in the first place.
But then she does it anyway,because she wants to, you know,
for the sake of the group, butthen when push comes to shove,
she doesn't want to mend fenceswith Jen. She just wants to get
back at her for calling for Jencalling her a grandpa MFer.
Rosalinda Mendez (03:50):
Yeah, that's, that's pretty clear once that
kind of all plays out, becausehonestly, I hate to say it, but
at this point, I'm going to takeJen's side because Jen actually
came into that whole luncheonsaying, Okay, I'll be cordial. I
don't want to have a problemwith these ladies, and so I'll
just try to eat and stay underthe table, not knowing that she
(04:14):
was going to put on the hotseat.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (04:15):
Yeah, I mean, like she was following
Jen's *Mary's* instructions ofsharing something about herself
and then Jen *Mary* kind of justpoo pooed her and kind of made
her feel bad, and we also get tofind out some more stuff about I
guess, Jen and Mary'srelationships and background
information, because obviously,the "you smell like hospital"
mess wasn't the only thingunderlying their conflict,
(04:37):
because she tells us about the7-Eleven comment that she makes,
saying that if there are blackpeople at a 7-Eleven she just
goes to a different 7-Eleven. SoI mean, obviously that sparked
something in Jen because she hasblack sons, black nephews, black
family members and her husband'sblack.
Rosalinda Mendez (04:53):
And culturally, as she said, she's
been treated black ever sinceshe's been in Salt Lake City. So
even though that's ethnicallynot what she is she knows
exactly how you get treated ifyou have a certain skin color.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (05:05):
No, exactly, and I think it's... she
says it best, Jen, where she'slike, you know, she when she met
Mary, she thought oh, finallyanother woman of color knows
what it's like living in SaltLake City, we can really bond,
and it'll be nice to be on theshow and with someone who gets
where I'm coming from. But Maryjust seems to be living in her
(05:25):
own alternate reality and justrefusing to see what's in front
of her.
Rosalinda Mendez (05:30):
Exactly. It's it's very strange to me that she
really kind of backs away fromher own cultural identity there,
and it really is another thingwhere I think she's trying to
set it up, and she did a prettygood job of setting it up, where
she's just like, Oh, you know,Jen's just really jealous of me,
(05:50):
and that's where all of this iscoming from. It has nothing to
do with the fact that I canmaybe be offensive or I don't
really understand or listen toother people and where they're
coming from. Because when I'mdone, I just say things like,
Oh, well, you know, maybe sheshould've drank some water or
like, you know, you're a hoodlumor something where you just
(06:13):
diminish everything as opposedto really actively listening to
what's going on. I think she wasjust waiting, like you said to
pounce on on Jen when she whenshe made herself vulnerable.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (06:25):
Because I also feel like I entered this
Met Gala luncheon notnecessarily team Mary because
what she said definitely was notnice, and I don't think she
should have said that. I didn'tthink that Jen's reaction was
proportionate to what Mary hadsaid. So I guess I was not team
Mary, but I also wasn't teamJen. But I'm... I've left this
(06:46):
luncheon 100% team Jen. Shelike, actually came out with
some facts, and she seemed veryreasonable, which is, you know,
totally against what we've beensaying the last four episodes
we've done now. So you know, I'mwilling to admit that we were
wrong.
Rosalinda Mendez (07:02):
And I guess, you know, we can say that means
that the Bravo editors arereally good, because they're
playing with your emotions atthe edit bay. But, um, I think
they're just both very strongpersonalities, and it's also
interesting to watch the otherladies. I mean, I think they're
a little horrified.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (07:19):
Yeah, they definitely don't know how to
react to the situation, and tobe honest, if I was at that
luncheon, I wouldn't know how toreact either. Because I don't
think any normal person hasreally experienced a lunch like
that, where people are justscreaming across a table in
public.
Rosalinda Mendez (07:34):
Right, and I think it was really brave of
both Heather and Whitney to tryto delve in there even though
they kind of got slapped down,but I think they both made
really good points. I mean, Ithink they were just trying to
say, Hey, why don't you examinewhat you're actually doing?
Like, you know, Jen made herselfvulnerable and you slapped her
down and you talked when youshouldn't have, and, you know,
(07:56):
Mary just went straight overthat and she was she was just
like, you know, I don't reallycare and I'm just now I didn't
want her to be here and she'soffending Valter.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (08:06):
And Arturo....
Rosalinda Mendez (08:08):
Then they're like, wait a minute, I know,
Valter and Arturo. So....
Sara Van Tuerenhout (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, really, though, Mary's
again, still in the wrong herebecause she's embarrassing the
whole group really, but mainlyJen by calling her a hoodlum,
and just like attacking her,kinda really just pecking at
her, and she's embarrassing herin public, which I think is way
worse than anything Jen hasever, you know, quote, unquote,
(08:34):
done to Mary, like call hergrandpa MFer. Because at the end
of the day she is. So where doyou go from there?
Rosalinda Mendez (08:42):
Well that's true, and it was really valiant
to see Whitney kind of was justlike, Hey, I may be the youngest
one here. But I'm kind of themore mature one here, and yeah,
it's kind of it's kind ofinteresting to see that she can
she was basically like the Greekchorus saying, okay, all of this
that's going on is really bad.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (09:01):
Yeah.
Because I mean, like, she wastrying to, like, help mediate
the situation and calmthing...like de escalate, and
then Mary was like, "what do youknow, you're 30," and really,
like she said, she might be 30or, you know, in her 30s. But
she the rest of them were actinglike they were 10.
Rosalinda Mendez (09:18):
Exactly. They weren't being in any way, and it
was just weird. I guess thething that was also weird about
that, I get that, you know, Jenfirst stormed off, and then she
actually came back, right,because...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (09:29):
*interjects* Yeah, but I mean Mary did kick
her out. She was like, you know,where the door is. Leave.
Rosalinda Mendez (09:34):
Right. I know.
But and then at that point,yeah, I guess you're told to
leave. But I think it was, itwas pretty brave of her to come
back to try to figure out how toclear the air, which is what
again, Mary said she wanted todo.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (09:48):
Yeah, and then when Heather kind of
pointed that out, because sheforced Jen back in and was
saying that y'all need to figurethis out. Because this was the
whole point of the luncheon. Yousaid it yourself. We're here to
iron things out, and get thingsout on the table so that we can
better understand each other andhave a good time, and then Mary
calls her two faced becauseHeather was pointing out Mary's
(10:09):
own hypocrisy, and so really,Mary seems to feel like she's
beyond reproach.
Rosalinda Mendez (10:14):
I just find it funny. I mean, it's one of those
things where you almost like,they don't like each other cuz
they're so much alike becausebasically Jen was like, Oh, hey,
look, Meredith is talking to Lisor Meredith is talking to, to
Sara Van Tuerenhou (10:24):
*Interjects* Valter...
to Mary. So you can't be my frind, and now Heather's *Mary i
* like, well, you're kind of tking her side, so you can't b
my friend. So like, literall, they both do the same kinds
f things where you have to pica side and be on that side, and
if you're not, you're not teir friend. So yeah, I think t
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ere's a little bit of both Mry and Jen where they're a lit
le bit like each other tempeamentally in how they see thin
s. So yeah, that was interestng, and again, I just, I ju
t I felt bad for everybody siting around that table. I als
felt bad again, again, for Aturo and...
Rosalinda Mendez (11:04):
...And Valter.
It's really funny at some point,someone said, you know, asked
him on I think one of the otherinterviews they did after the
show and they're like, you know,who seen Valter and they're
like, Oh, we see him all thetime. He doesn't really care.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (11:16):
Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, the type of
people and you know, that aregoing to Salt Lake City proud,
you know, people with money, andit seemed like an expensive
restaurant. So I mean, heprobably has, has handled a few
fights in his days.
Rosalinda Mendez (11:30):
Yeah, it's true. I mean, it's got to be a
good restaurant, right? It'sacross the street from...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:36):
*interjects* P. F. Changs...
Rosalinda Mendez (11:36):
Exactly. So...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (11:38):
...The national chain!
Rosalinda Mendez (11:39):
...It's, it's, it's, it's up there in the....
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:43):
*interjects* Some good orange chicken.
Rosalinda Mendez (11:44):
Exactly. So yeah, Jim could have got some
orange chicken to go...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:49):
*interjects* On the way out. Yeah....
But then you see, Jen finallydoes leave and Mary was asking
for her gift back. "Oh, Couldsomeone pass me that Louis
Vuitton box?" Which I feel islike so tacky... If you give
someone a gift, even ifsomething blows up afterwards,
you gave that person a gift, soyou can't take that back.
Rosalinda Mendez (12:08):
Yeah, but as far as I'm sure like Jen was
just like, I don't want yourgift if you're gonna be this
rude to me, which I don't thinkshe just stormed off and forgot
it. She was just like, I don'twant your gift and which is all
good and fine, which I- isrespectable, and that's, that's,
that's good. But the other thingis, it's like miracle to pick
that up at the end. What doesshe think? Heather was gonna
pocket it or something orsomebody was gonna, somebody
(12:30):
around that table had likeshifty fingers, or she thought a
waiter was gonna take it? Imean, you don't have to make
such a big show of I'm taking itback because that just shows how
petty you are, and you know,we're starting to see this side
of Mary where, honestly, youknow, with the first few
episodes, you were starting tofeel a little sympathy for her,
(12:50):
and you were starting to see herin a light where like, Okay,
well, she had this arrangedmarriage and, you know, it
wasn't necessarily the life shewanted, but now she has it and
she's making the best of it. Shehas a son and then and then
you're like, oh, and Jen's beingso unreasonable because she's,
you know, giving her a hard timebecause she may have said
something offhanded. But every,every, every episode now you're
(13:13):
just seeing parts of Mary whereyou're like, this is not
attractive or Christian or anyof those things...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:18):
Yeah no, with each episode my like, of
Mary diminishes, and to behonest, the like, wasn't a lot
to start with. Which also propsto the editing room at Bravo. I
mean, we know how great theiredits are, and how shady really
they are. But yeah, each episodewe peel back that onion layer
(13:39):
and I'm just crying more andmore each layer.
Rosalinda Mendez (13:43):
Yeah, no, that's that's really good. So we
move on, unfortunately, from thewonderful Met Gala luncheon to
actually seeing Whitney.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:52):
Yeah, we actually see Whitney going to
her, I believe half-brother's?
Rosalinda Mendez (13:57):
Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:57):
Jiu Jitsu studio, which is actually pretty
cool. Because we see her tackleher brother a couple times. I
mean, they were talking aboutserious topics, but you have
this montage of her flipping herbrother three, four times.
Which, you know, looking atWhitney, I would have never
expected her to be so I guess...
physical.
Rosalinda Mendez (14:13):
Hey, she's got that great core from pole
dancing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (14:15):
Oh, that's, that's a good point. That's a
good point. She is athletic.
We've already noted that so it'snot much of a leap, I guess.
Rosalinda Mendez (14:21):
Yeah, I know.
I think she's got a lower centerof gravity and a good core so
she can flip him. But no, it wasactually really sweet, and we
get a another glimpse at Whitneywhere I'm sorry they're doing an
awe- I mean, I mean, I can't seeany bad sides to Whitney yet.
The editing. I- you see allthese women who are very
judgmental of her because of youknow, the way she was in her
relationship now and, you know,all these other things, but you
(14:45):
know, she's taking care of herdad. She's like, she talks about
the divorces that they wentthrough and, you know, or I'm
sorry, the fact that she livedin a family with two divorced
parents that then got divorced.
So you know, it was very it wasa blended family to start with
and then she and her sister camealong, and then her dad had this
(15:06):
addiction and she took care ofhim, and she even supported him
when he went through rehab, andthen kind of skipped out on the
follow up. But, you know, shewas always there, and it was
really also nice actually to seeWhitney's brother. You know,
because as she says, in the, inthe show, after the divorce all
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the kids all pick sides,depending on you know, who's who
their parent was, and her halfbrother seems to be saying,
Okay, well, I'm willing to givehim a chance, if he's going to
do the work, we should kind ofrally around and you know, make
things right again, and it wasreally nice to see that you can
have siblings that can overcomethe problems their parents have,
(15:50):
and also see their parents asflawed individuals that also
need their love. So that wasactually really nice. I was and
it was really just good to seeWhitney in a different dynamic
because sometimes I think theythey don't they they go the
extreme with Whitney. She's thepole dancer. She's the young
one. She's the whatever, and soit's nice to see how grounded
(16:11):
she really is.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (16:12):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel like
she's giving us the most youcould say "realness" of the
cast. Maybe bar, Heather. Butno, I really like her arc. I
think she's a really down toearth, nice individual, and I'm
intrigued to see how that'llplay out in this season. Because
we know anyone who signs up fora reality TV show, probably
something else going on there.
So I'm sure we'll see somefeisty moments.
Rosalinda Mendez (16:33):
Yeah, and it's also nice that they go through
the whole arc so that after sheleaves the Jiu Jitsu studio, she
goes and she takes her dad tosober living and she really is
like it she you can see herbecoming the parent kind of
saying, you know, I'm proud ofyou. I really am glad that
you're doing this but she takeshim with on a rainy day with his
(16:55):
TV in the back of the truck.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (16:57):
I know. I don't know if any of y'all
noticed that. But there was a TVin the bed there of their truck,
and I was you know, honestly I'mgetting worried for that TV. I
hope it made it...
Rosalinda Mendez (17:06):
Yeah. So you know cuz in sober living, you
got to have something to...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (17:09):
*interjects* Well you have to have something
to do. You've gotta replace oneaddiction with another right?
Rosalinda Mendez (17:12):
I know. You gotta be able to stream whatever
you can or binge, whatever.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:15):
Yeah, binge the new Real Housewives episode.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:18):
Exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:19):
I wonder if he's watching the show?
Rosalinda Mendez (17:20):
Yeah, I don't know.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:21):
I'd be intrigued to hear his
perspective, looking back onhimself.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:26):
Right, and so then we go back to another
ladies kind of, you see,Meredith?
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:31):
Yes
Rosalinda Mendez (17:32):
....And she is picking up her husband.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:34):
Yeah, he just flew in from Ohio because I
guess he now has a corporateheadquarters and I believe
Akron. I don't really know, Ohiovery well so don't don't at me
at this. But she picks him up atthe airport expecting you know,
to be like a very kind of light,breezy thing. Like, oh, hey, how
are you doing? How's it going?
Because, again, they're dating.
(17:56):
They're like, supposed to behaving fun.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:58):
And she even says, "let's treat this like a
first date."
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:01):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:01):
And for the first, I don't know, minute and
a half, it's going okay, like,he's kind of excited about the
fact that it's like a firstdate, and he's excited about her
picking him up just but justlike for a minute, like when,
he's getting in the car...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:13):
No well cuz I mean like, even then though,
he's treating her like, "oh,well, you never pick me up from
the airport. You never do this.
What's up? What's going on withthis??
Rosalinda Mendez (18:21):
That's true at the very, very beginning. But
then when he gets in the car, heand she says that. He becomes
like, oh, okay, well, maybe Ishould just, you know, be nice
and light about this. But thatlasts for a whole about minute,
and then we get into it again.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:36):
Yeah.
Because then he asked her "oh,will you move to Ohio?"
Rosalinda Mendez (18:41):
*interjects* After ski season, right? He's
like, are you gonna be moving toOhio? Because I think he's in
Canton.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:46):
Oh, Canton.
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:47):
And then but he said they could live in
Akron, which I believe is abigger town.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:51):
Yeah. Which is close to Cleveland. I had to
look it up.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:53):
So anyway, so yeah, but but then he makes this
whole argument about, you know,what's more important, you know,
the person you're with or theplace you're at, and honestly,
when he goes through all of hisarguments, and she then
describes how many times she'shad to move for him. It's like,
yeah, at some point, you gettired of doing that, and like,
what is the point after a while,I understand that you make some,
(19:17):
you know, sacrifices in yourmarriage, but she was just
saying she's never really evengotten to enjoy things with her
kids, because she's constantlymoving.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (19:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think should they move
to like four plus differentcities for his job, and we have
to remember too, that she hasher own business, and I can't
even imagine how hard that mustbe to keep moving your quote
unquote, corporate headquartersevery six, seven months,
Rosalinda Mendez (19:40):
Right, and it doesn't sound like she, I mean,
at least when she was firststarting, and let's face it, who
do we not know that doesn't havea jewelry line sometime in their
life. So, I mean, it's kind ofhard to get traction. So
literally, I guess the thing is,is it's hard to get something up
and up and rolling, and itsounds like when they moved to
Salt Lake City, she found hersweet spot. She found a niche.
(20:03):
She found, you know, people whowere buying her jewelry, she
obviously is not a cheap, it'snot very, you know, it's not
like a cheap jewelry line. It'sfairly, it's very expensive. So
it's not easy to kind of buildthat business, and then all of a
sudden say, Oh, yeah, well, I'mnot going to move this $14,000
whatever, you know, a piecething to Canton, Ohio, where I'm
(20:26):
going to have Oh, so many peoplecoming in to buy my stuff...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (20:29):
Yeah, that's just not her client base
at all, and I get well hi- likeher client base and his client
base are so different, they'rejust diametrically opposed. So I
mean, it doesn't really makemuch sense why she would move to
Akron, especially since they'rein this kind of state of limbo
of separation. So I totally getwhy she wouldn't want to move,
and it seems like they had justmoved to Salt Lake City because
(20:52):
she's still furnishing her home,and so that's a very much a, in
the moving phase of moving intoa house. So it seems like she
hasn't even finished on packing,and he's already asking, oh,
well, why don't you want toleave?
Rosalinda Mendez (21:06):
Right. So I think that, you know, in some
ways, you know, he's the onethat's just kind of saying, you
know, you need to be the, youneed to be the little woman and
move for me, and if you don'twant to do that, then I'm not,
and I'm glad she turns it aroundon him, and says, "well, why
don't you want to just movehere?"
Sara Van Tuerenhout (21:25):
Well, yeah, that's a little thing, because
he was saying that, Oh, well, Iwould move anywhere for you,
which is just a blatant lie. Imean, how did he not know that
was gonna get, like, thrown intohis face, because they are
living in Salt Lake City, and asshe says her corporate
headquarters is in Salt LakeCity. So if he really would move
anywhere for her, then whywouldn't he just move to where
(21:45):
they already own a house?
Rosalinda Mendez (21:47):
Exactly. Plus, I mean, and honestly, I guess at
this point, I'm sure one of thethings he's thinking is, you
know, the kids are all out ofschool, it doesn't matter
anymore. But I think she's justhaving PTSD from the entire
marriage. Like she was like, Iwas never happy having to get up
and move all the time, and kindof now I don't have these extra
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responsibilities of carting kidsaround and I can really focus on
my business, and it's goingwell, and I'm happy here and I
have friends and everythingseems to be... and now. I mean,
in some cases, and this happensa lot in marriages, where if you
have the kids to focus on,sometimes it kind of patches
over all the other bad thingsthat are happening in your
marriage, because you have todeal with the kids, and once you
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know, those kids aren't theyaren't around. They don't need
you to be there for them asmuch, then, you know, the cracks
really start to show.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (22:37):
Yeah, but then we get into another scene
with them where they're talking.
They're at their house now, Iguess, post airport, obviously,
and they're talking about howMeredith might need some space,
and that maybe theirrelationship won't last.
Rosalinda Mendez (22:52):
Yeah, I think the idea that they need some
spaces is probably the bestthing for their marriage, and,
you know, if he's going to takethis hard line, I just I don't
see it really working out. Ireally don't. It doesn't look
like it's a salvageable thing. Ithink that I mean, she's very
sad about it, like most peoplewould be I'm sure this is, you
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know, obviously, someone she's,you know, the father for
children. It's somebody that shereally cared about. It's
somebody she's made in, youknow, incredible sacrifices
for...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (23:21):
I mean, I have no doubt that she doesn't
*does* love him. I believe thatthere is still love there. But
as I'm sure many people know,like, there's a difference
between loving someone and beingin love with someone and you
know, you have to kind of justaccept that.
Rosalinda Mendez (23:36):
Right, and you can, I mean, you can almost tell
at the very end of that scene,she's just so sad. When he says,
Well, maybe if I leave, youknow, and I'm away, you'll see
that, you know, your life isbetter without me in it, and she
goes on, and I think that thatmight be true, and so I think at
that point, she really nailswhat what she's feeling, you
know, instead of having thisback and forth, back and forth,
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it's just like, I need thespace. I need you not here, and
this isn't really working. Butwe'll see. I mean, obviously, it
looks like there's a lot we'regonna have to dive into about
their relationship.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (24:08):
Yeah, and on a light hearted side note, if
anyone noticed in that scene inthe bedroom, where they're
talking about the demise oftheir marriage, so really cheery
stuff... In the backgroundbehind Meredith is a bear poster
or painting, I don't even knowmaybe a photo, and if you
remember or rewind back to theart gallery episode, you see
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that same bear painting. Soclearly, she bought something
there. I thought that was aninteresting add in because she's
all like, Oh, I have a veryelegant monochrome simple design
ideas, and here she has thislike big, very colorful bear in
her bedroom, which is likestanding towering over her. I
don't know, that's just like notsomething I'd want in my
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bedroom. It is. I mean,honestly, bold choice, and I
kind of like her more for doingit.
Rosalinda Mendez (24:55):
Yeah, I know.
It's almost like that big bearis like the- their marriage.
It's just like, over her, andoverarching, and it's about to
pounce...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (25:03):
*interjects* About to eat her....
Rosalinda Mendez (25:04):
Exactly. So now we move over to Meredith's
twin, Lisa.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (25:09):
Oh, yes.
Oh, Lisa. We start kind of thisconversation with Lisa. We see
her at her son's eighth birthdayparty, honestly, whatever. We
don't care about the birthdayparty, but her next conversation
is about marriage, and that kindof spurs off of the conversation
that her and her husband werehaving at the eighth birthday
party about Meredith and Seth'sseparation, and she was talking
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about how I guess in the MormonChurch again, I'm learning so
much about the Mormon church,and their beliefs and things.
I'm sure it's totally notrepresentative of the church as
a whole. But anyways, I'm goingto take it as fact. But they
were saying how marriage isforever, like eternal, which is
a really long time to be withsomeone....
Rosalinda Mendez (25:50):
I know, at least in all the other
denominations that I know of,it's till death do us part. I
mean, you kind of have this rosythought of, you know, oh, you
die, you go and meet yourhusband. But that's not what the
contract says. "Death do uspart."
Sara Van Tuerenhout (26:03):
Yeah, I mean, cuz you could die and then
maybe meet somebody else.
Rosalinda Mendez (26:06):
Yeah. What are you gonna do? Have like gonna
be, you'll be like a Mormon inHeaven. You'll have multiple
wives, or husbands.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (26:13):
But then that also brings up a logistical
question. I believe Mormonsbelieve in hell, I'm not sure.
But let's go with that. But whathappens if one partner is in
hell, and the other partner isin heaven? Like is the marriage
still there? Is the otherpartner just kind of forced to
be in heaven and not doanything?
Rosalinda Mendez (26:29):
I think, you know, the way that Mormonism
seems to work, you know, whereyou have to be perfect, and all
these other things is that ifyou if your partner's in Hell, I
think you have to go down andjoin them, because they're not
going to let an imperfect personinto heaven. So I think you are
literally tied to that person.
Youneed to make sure. I thinkthat's why they try to make sure
I think they- she talks aboutthis, like having this family
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dynamic that Mormonism is aboutthe eternal family, right, and
so I think that that...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (26:58):
*interjects* Scary thought...
Rosalinda Mendez (26:59):
...I know, so I think that part of that is is
that you keep each other honest,so that you both enter heaven.
So it's not like gonna be one ofthese things. But still, we've
seen like, and we've heard aboutsneaky Mormons. So we know that
there are people who are notkeeping up to their
Sara Van Tuerenho (27:15):
Perfectionist goals.
Rosalinda Mendez (27:17):
Exactly.
So....
Sara Van Tuerenhout (27:19):
And then I feel bad for Lisa's husband,
because then she talks about howwhen sometimes when she's mad at
him, she's thrown out hisRolexes out the car window, I
guess, while they're driving,
Rosalinda Mendez (27:32):
Right. That was really funny, because that
was in the confessional, andbasically, what happened was,
the producer was like, you didgo back to get it? And she's
like, Yeah, but it was reallyhard, because it was in a
snowbank, and I was like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (27:43):
Yeah, and like she didn't go back to get
it, he went to go back and getit and like, Rolexes are so
expensive. Again, rich people donot deserve money. They just
literally throw, like, how muchis an average Rolex?
Rosalinda Mendez (27:56):
I don't know, it could be anywhere from $5000
to $100,000. I think.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:00):
Okay, we're throwing out a $5000 plus dollar
watch. I mean, let's be honest,it's probably like $20,000 -
$30,000 out of a moving car.
Like who does that like thatcould give someone a home.
That's some, some people's wholeyearly salary. Like these people
live such vapid lives, which Iguess is why we like to watch
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them. But you know, sometimesit's jarring to hear it, you
know, when you're not thinkingabout it.
Rosalinda Mendez (28:27):
Right, and I think that part of it is, is
that Lisa is trying to at leastwhen she's talking to her
husband about it. She's kind ofsaying things like, you know,
you should just worship me, andI shouldn't have to do things
for presents, and he's like,would you?
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:43):
He's like, please perform services....
Rosalinda Mendez (28:45):
So yeah, so we see a little bit of their
marriage, and, you know, itseems like a pretty typical
marriage. She pretty much rulesthe roost in that house, you can
tell.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:54):
Oh, for sure.
Rosalinda Mendez (28:55):
So then we move on, and we see another
marriage and how it works, whichis something Jen has talked
about in the very first episode,which is basically her FaceTime
marriage with Sharrieff.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (29:04):
Yeah, and they actually have a nice heart
to heart which I'm actuallysurprised they were... that he
was allowed to take a phone callmidday because you think you'd
be practicing. But regardless,Jen was giving Sharrieff the 411
about what happened at thatluncheon, which I'm, well I
guess, since they have aFaceTime marriage, that would be
the first opportunity she couldhave told him but moving on, she
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was giving him the 411 and shewas talking about the 7-Eleven
comment, and how Mary called hera hoodlum and ghetto, and I
think again, this just furtherreinforces how Jen is totally in
the right here, and I reallydon't see anything redeemable of
what Mary has done or said, andso, yeah, I'm team Jen.
Rosalinda Mendez (29:44):
Yeah, for this one. I am too, and basically,
it's really nice that Sharrieffis easy. It's really funny. It
sounds like he's talking to oneof his players when he's
talking... I'm really proud ofyou, and you know, he's going on
and so you can see how he'd be agood coach. Because he's...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (29:58):
*interjects* Yeah, he seems like such a great
guy honestly...
Rosalinda Mendez (30:00):
... Super motivational super, like, you
know, very good at pointing outlike what you personally did
Sara Van Tuerenhout (30:06):
Yeah.
Although I mean, I think I wouldright, and you know how you
shouldn't let these thingsaffect you, and you should
basically stick to your guns,and so it's it was actually it
was a nice conversation. So yousee a very nice, healthy looking
marriage even though it's youknow, again here I mean, here
you have somebody else like, I'msure that I'm not sure it wasn't
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clear that Sharrieff has beea coach anywhere else. So
ot they've had to move aroundoo many times. But his job ta
es him everywhere, like durng football season, and the
I think, during not when,ou know, he's probably does,
ou know, spring recruitment andll these other things. So,
ou know, he's, he is probably ahonestly really like to see the
kind of circa to 2010, 2011ay a lot, and so and he leaves
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en alone, which I think in sme cases is part of our prob
em with Jen, is that she fels lonely. So she has to fill
up that time with things withight assist
(31:09):
style, Beverly Hills, dads kindof scenes, you know, where not
the dads, but you know, thehusbands where all the husbands
would go out to drinks and youwould get to see that, like, I
kind of want to see the SaltLake City housewives, all of
their husbands get together andjust see how that's like, I
mean, I don't know how thatwould work with Sharrieff's
schedule, but I think that wouldbe cute.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:27):
Well, it would be cute. But the thing is, is I
think that in the case ofBeverly Hills, a lot of those
guys were.... they kind oftravel in the same circles,
whereas I'm not sure that that'sreally true for the Salt Lake
City guys.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:38):
That's true. It could be really
awkward. I just want to see moreof Coach Shah.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:41):
Yeah, I know.
I just I'm trying to think ofwhat Coach Shah and Robert
senior would have to talk about.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:46):
Oh, God, you're right. You know, I take
that statement back, I don'twant to see any more of Robert
Sr.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:51):
Yeah, I think we're good.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:53):
But speaking of Robert Sr., we have
all of this Jen unloading toSharrieff juxtaposed with Mary
unloading to Robert Sr. and sheis just living in La La Land.
Like she is so delusional aboutwhat's going on between her and
Jen and really her and the restof the group because she sees
herself as kind of this queenbee figure, when all of us can
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see she's the one on theoutskirts like she is one
comment away from getting kickedout of this group.
Rosalinda Mendez (32:20):
Yeah, definitely, and you can also see
where you know, where you havekind of a more.... Sharrieff is
kind of much more assertive andhas a place, you know, Robert
Sr. You know, basically, it'skind of sad, because it's almost
like you look at both of them,and they're like they're in this
I don't know if it's a lovemarriage or not a love marriage.
It doesn't sound like one to me,honestly, from looking in, and
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yes, it was an arrangedmarriage, but it was arranged
marriage for the same reason forboth of them for the money, like
it..., and so he feels becausethat money came from Mary's
grandma that he has to basicallykowtow to her and say, Oh,
honey, yeah, you're right, andthis isn't wrong, and yes,
they're just jealous, and Imean, obviously, she pitches it
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that way. So from him not beingthere. He sees it that way. But
it's just kind of crazy. I mean,I just I don't I the things that
she said were again, as youknow, they're pretty
indefensible. Like, I don'tknow, how anyone can kind of be
on Mary's side and say, well,especially when she starts
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talking about, you know, shekinda... she just belittles it,
right? It's like, it's like Idon't like hospitals. I don't
like convenience stores. It'slike she's I mean, we apparently
if you're Mary's friend, yousomehow have to know all the
things and topics that are goingto set her off. Because if you
bring them up, then you knowsomehow, you're doing it just to
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injure her.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (33:47):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (33:47):
So the other thing that's hilarious is she's
like she then sets the wholeargument up to be like, Jen is
the problem. She's the rottenapple as long as one person that
screws it up for everybody, andshe doesn't realize that she's
that person.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (33:59):
Yeah, she's definitely the rotten apple of
the bunch, and she's reallybringing everyone else down, and
I don't know how you watch thatMet Gala scene, and see Mary as
the victim or the sympathetic...
She's the instigator. She kickedJen out. She said, really mean
things to her, and then oh, butWhoa, is me. I just I you know,
I wish I lived in that fantasyland of, I'm right, everyone
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else is wrong.
Rosalinda Mendez (34:25):
Yeah, and then we go again to a housewife and
housewife dinner. Again, it'seither everybody's there causing
drama, or they're one on one,and then it's just kind of an
odd pairing. You know,basically, it's Mary and Heather
having dinner, and it was reallystrange, because, you know,
basically Mary told Heather, shewas two faced.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (34:48):
Yeah, I don't.... Like personally, if I
thought someone was two faced,why would I want to go have
dinner with them, and then, onthe flip side, as Heather like
if someone called me two facedI'd be like, fine. I don't need
to be friends with you if youthink that about me, so I don't
get why they're having dinner.
But nonetheless they are. Sothey're talking about what
happened, what really went down,and we get to hear more about
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Mary's delusions. But beforethat....
Rosalinda Mendez (35:15):
Yeah, we get the best line of the entire
episode which was, again Marydropped some pearls of wisdom
down there, because the waitercomes to find out if they want
water, and so the subject ofcarbonated water comes up, and
Mary's like, you know,carbonation affects your
ovaries...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (35:33):
Which to me, though, is she thinking
about having another child? Idon't get it. I mean, also,
where did she find thisinformation? WhatsApp?
Rosalinda Mendez (35:42):
Yeah, I don't know. This is hilarious, and
then the great thing is thatHeather's like, I'll take two.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (35:46):
I know because she's like, I don't want
to have any more kids, whichhonestly, I totally get that.
But yeah, I don't know where Dr.
Mary gets her. I mean, first wehave water will save your legs.
But now carbonated water doesnot have the same healing
effects. It fucks up yourovaries. So watch out ladies.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:04):
Or if you're looking for a different form of
birth control, and you don'twant to like take any chemicals.
Carbonated water. Yeah, yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:11):
But why ovaries specifically? Why not
the whole reproductive system?
Rosalinda Mendez (36:16):
I don't know we'll have to check with Dr.
Mary. So if anyone out therelistening knows why carbonation
is...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (36:22):
*interjects* And is it only carbonated water
that affects your reproductiveor ovaries? I should say.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:27):
I don't know.
I had a lot of fizzy drinks, andI was able to have you so...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:32):
And a pitcher of Margarita.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:34):
That's true.
So... I was a little housewifeybefore Sara turned up. Anyway.
So then we have Mary then goingover all of her problems with
Jen Shah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:48):
Yeah, she pretty much listed it out for
us, and I kind of wrote themdown. But she one thinks that
Jen is jealous of what she has,because Jen would not be used to
seeing a black woman have moneyand power because Jen has no
relation to anyone that's blackthat has money or power.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:07):
Yeah, it's really a Jen who had the I don't
know what to say. $40,000 likebirthday party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:12):
Yeah, like $46,000 birthday party. She
lives in....
Rosalinda Mendez (37:14):
*interjects* For Meredith...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:15):
A freakin chalet, and her husband is like
one of the top black footballcoaches. So I think she has a
little idea.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:23):
And she's rocking those like six inch
Louboutins all the time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:26):
I think she has just a little bit of money.
So this whole idea that...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:30):
*interjects* She has eight assistants...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:32):
Yeah she has eight assistants...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:33):
On the payroll.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:34):
I just genuinely don't know where Mary
comes up with these things. Imean, she really just pulls them
out of her ass and honestlycommendable because I'd get too
stuck in my head about that notjust being true at all. But you
know, she just goes for thedelusion.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:47):
Yeah, and so and then she says Jen's being
racist, which I really don'tunderstand.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:51):
Yeah, that yeah, she... again delusion and
she...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:56):
*interjects* No proof. No, like what it was
that actually did it other thanshe said, I don't think she's
ever seen a black person withthis much stuff.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (38:03):
And she's like...
Rosalinda Mendez (38:04):
*interjects* Like she's seen her husband...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (38:06):
No, exactly, and like, she also was
saying Mary was saying that Jenwas jealous because she's not
queen bee nor MVP, and shedidn't like that she wasn't
number one, which let's be real.
Jen probably is number one ofthis group. She is the biggest
personality. Everyone comes andhails to her side. So I don't
know where Mary's getting thisidea that she's the, you know,
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circus leader.
Rosalinda Mendez (38:30):
I thought this was just an interesting.... well
it was an interesting episode.
In some ways, it was a little itwasn't as exciting in some ways.
But it was it was interesting tome in watching this kind of in
the scope of what we've kind ofgone through this past summer
(2020), and the fact that youhave these two women of color,
who are... have these totallydifferent ideas of race, and
they obviously, you know, comefrom a different socioeconomic
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background. They have differentupbringings. But the weird thing
to me was watching this, waswatching the white woman not
know how to discuss race. LikeHeather tried a little bit, I
think, but not really, andnobody ever said, You know, I
mean, at some point, someone asopposed to hearing it off
(39:15):
camera, you know, in theselittle snippets to, you know,
either other housewives or tohusbands. At some point, you
feel that one of these whitegirls should've just said, Hey,
this is inappropriate. What youjust said is wrong, and you
know, but I just felt like theywere just on the sideline
watching, which is kind ofbasically exerting their white
(39:36):
privilege to not get involved.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (39:40):
Yeah, but I mean, that's just in typical
housewives fashion. I don'texpect any of these women to be
up on race politics and feelcomfortable enough to talk about
race.
Rosalinda Mendez (39:49):
No, I understand. But I mean,
basically, the things that Jenwas saying to me was actually
more like I may be not raciallyblack. But I understand it
because it's been my experience,whereas Mary just doesn't talk
about it at all, and the only,you know, view you have in on
her is basically my family hadmoney, and I don't you know,
(40:13):
have to deal with it.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:14):
Yeah. My thing though... it's like what
Sharrieff said, you know, thereare black people who don't like
other black people.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:19):
No, and that's exactly what Mary is, I think...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:22):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:22):
...A Black person who doesn't really
appreciate other black people.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:24):
Yeah, I don't think you know, when Jen
had that first interaction withher like, Oh, another person of
color who gets what I'm goingthrough and what we're both
going through. I don't thinkMary had that same reaction.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:34):
No, I don't think so. At all. So, but, you
know, again, they are both themothers of black sons.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:40):
Yeah...
Rosalinda Mendez (40:40):
And you think that Mary would like worry about
her son.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:43):
Well, I think she kind of just lives in
this like insulated bubble.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:47):
Yeah, no, no, and that's basically how it is.
But I again, I understand it'sSalt Lake City, you know, the
women were brought up in acertain kind of way. There
weren't any black people around.
I that was the interesting thingtoo, about going back to race
issues from Episode One whenJen's talking about marrying
Sharrieff. I mean it tookSharrieff to like point out that
there were no other black peoplein the Mormon church for to go,
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Oh, well, then I want to be partof this. Like, you didn't notice
the entire time you were therethat that wasn't a thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:14):
Well, that's my other thing too,
though. So like, they havecompletely different lived
experiences because--- well, Idon't understand how Jen
wouldn't be cognizant of thatfact.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:23):
But she says it which is really odd...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:24):
No, I know, but but she says that she... her
lived experience living in SaltLake City, is that a black
woman. But then she didn't evennotice that there weren't any
other people of color or blackpeople in the church?
Rosalinda Mendez (41:35):
No, that's what I mean, and it took
Sharrieff to say that and she'slike, oh, okay, well then I need
to quit.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:38):
So I mean, that's just kind of
questionable.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:41):
I mean, I'm not sure exactly the Muslims are
really happy with As-salamualaykum bitches.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:46):
Ehh, I mean, she drinks, sooo...
Rosalinda Mendez (41:49):
That's true...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:49):
I don't think she's the "perfect"
Muslim.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:50):
She's not gonna be a strict Muslim.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:52):
But yeah, I- to end it kind of on a more
light note. Thankfully, thisepisode is not a two parter. We
finally get rest. I'm sothankful. Thank you. Bravo,
gods.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:02):
No more two partners. I am begging you! No
more. Please. Free us from thistorture.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:08):
Yeah, we're done with the two parties for at
least one episode. We'll see.
Well, I- we'll check in to it.
We'll check in on our nextpodcast and we'll find out
whether we are either at acliffhanger again or not.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:20):
I can't say I'm very hopeful.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:21):
But anyway, till next time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:23):
That's our podcast! Thank you so much! If
you wouldn't mind leaving us alike, comment, subscribe, leave
us review, and we'll see you onthe next one. Bye!
Rosalinda Mendez (42:31):
Bye!
Hey guys! Welcome back to Met Gala
luncheon, I'm your host Sara VanTuerenhout and I'm joined by:
Rosalinda Mendez (00:13):
Rosalinda!
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:14):
And this is a podcast where we break down
our favorite reality TV shows,and just dive into the craziness
that ensues. This week, we'relooking at Episode Five of The
Real Housewives of Salt LakeCity, "Ladies Who Lunch."
Rosalinda Mendez (00:28):
And we pick up where we left off with some
drama happening
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:34):
At the Met Gala luncheon. Again, our
namesake.
Rosalinda Mendez (00:37):
Exactly because it's the place to be
like you right now listening toour podcast.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:43):
Yeah. But unlike the MET Gala Luncheon in
the show, you won't be leavingfeeling awkward and
uncomfortable.... hopefully!
Rosalinda Mendez (00:50):
And you unfortunately you will not be
leaving with Louis Vuittonheadphones, but...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (00:55):
*interjects* Maybe one day! ...Use our code.
No. But yeah, so we have thesecond part of the Met Gala
luncheon, where we kind of leftit off last week, with Jen and
Mary kind of starting to blowup, and here we kind of see
what's happening. Jen is openingup about her life growing up and
what her life is like growing upin Salt Lake City, and she
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brings up this point saying thatshe says everything that
everyone else is thinking outloud, and Mary had a problem
with that.
Rosalinda Mendez (01:25):
Yeah, I think that basically, Mary was just
trying to say, No, you just saywhat you're thinking, and this
is your way of justifyinggetting away with being mean.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:36):
Yeah.
Although the way she said itvery much sounded like I'm
better than you, and I wouldnever say anything that you
think or say. Because you're solike, unrefined...
Rosalinda Mendez (01:45):
Right.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:46):
...And not on my level.
Rosalinda Mendez (01:47):
Exactly. Which of course, then went all the way
down to Jen being called ahoodlum.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (01:53):
Yeah, which is just... Mary knows what she's
doing when she calls Jen, a"hoodlum" or what she's saying
or doing as "ghetto." Likethat's intentionally trying to
hurt her and have a dig at Jen.
So like, we come into thisluncheon to kind of iron things
out, like that's the guise ofthis whole thing. But as Jen is
cut, yes, maybe you could sayshe's kind of giving herself a
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pass for what her personalitybecause of her upbringing, and
that's just the way she is, andyou have to accept it, because
she's just a very fierypersonality. Mary isn't really
doing much to try to really ironthings out.
Rosalinda Mendez (02:32):
No, and she breaks her first rule, which is,
Jen becomes super. I mean, Ithink for Jen, she was trying to
be very honest and open withwhere she was coming from, and
at least she was trying to openup, which is what Mary said she
wanted. But then when she did,Mary stomped on her, and it's
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funny, because you kind of seethat, you know, Mary, very
upfront, an hour before Jenstarted sharing said, Hey,
everyone gets to speak. Nobodygets to chime in. But she went
in for the kill, which wasreally, really, I think, pretty
mean.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (03:10):
And then she had the audacity to say, Oh,
I didn't know I could do that. Idon't remember saying, I don't
know.... "who said that? Whosaid that?" She said that, and
yeah, she just doesn't want tofollow her own rules. She really
did set up that whole luncheonto just be mean to Jen, you
know, because she was tellingLisa, how she didn't want to
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invite Jen in the first place.
But then she does it anyway,because she wants to, you know,
for the sake of the group, butthen when push comes to shove,
she doesn't want to mend fenceswith Jen. She just wants to get
back at her for calling for Jencalling her a grandpa MFer.
Rosalinda Mendez (03:50):
Yeah, that's, that's pretty clear once that
kind of all plays out, becausehonestly, I hate to say it, but
at this point, I'm going to takeJen's side because Jen actually
came into that whole luncheonsaying, Okay, I'll be cordial. I
don't want to have a problemwith these ladies, and so I'll
just try to eat and stay underthe table, not knowing that she
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was going to put on the hotseat.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (04:15):
Yeah, I mean, like she was following
Jen's *Mary's* instructions ofsharing something about herself
and then Jen *Mary* kind of justpoo pooed her and kind of made
her feel bad, and we also get tofind out some more stuff about I
guess, Jen and Mary'srelationships and background
information, because obviously,the "you smell like hospital"
mess wasn't the only thingunderlying their conflict,
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because she tells us about the7-Eleven comment that she makes,
saying that if there are blackpeople at a 7-Eleven she just
goes to a different 7-Eleven. SoI mean, obviously that sparked
something in Jen because she hasblack sons, black nephews, black
family members and her husband'sblack.
Rosalinda Mendez (04:53):
And culturally, as she said, she's
been treated black ever sinceshe's been in Salt Lake City. So
even though that's ethnicallynot what she is she knows
exactly how you get treated ifyou have a certain skin color.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (05:05):
No, exactly, and I think it's... she
says it best, Jen, where she'slike, you know, she when she met
Mary, she thought oh, finallyanother woman of color knows
what it's like living in SaltLake City, we can really bond,
and it'll be nice to be on theshow and with someone who gets
where I'm coming from. But Maryjust seems to be living in her
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own alternate reality and justrefusing to see what's in front
of her.
Rosalinda Mendez (05:30):
Exactly. It's it's very strange to me that she
really kind of backs away fromher own cultural identity there,
and it really is another thingwhere I think she's trying to
set it up, and she did a prettygood job of setting it up, where
she's just like, Oh, you know,Jen's just really jealous of me,
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and that's where all of this iscoming from. It has nothing to
do with the fact that I canmaybe be offensive or I don't
really understand or listen toother people and where they're
coming from. Because when I'mdone, I just say things like,
Oh, well, you know, maybe sheshould've drank some water or
like, you know, you're a hoodlumor something where you just
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diminish everything as opposedto really actively listening to
what's going on. I think she wasjust waiting, like you said to
pounce on on Jen when she whenshe made herself vulnerable.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (06:25):
Because I also feel like I entered this
Met Gala luncheon notnecessarily team Mary because
what she said definitely was notnice, and I don't think she
should have said that. I didn'tthink that Jen's reaction was
proportionate to what Mary hadsaid. So I guess I was not team
Mary, but I also wasn't teamJen. But I'm... I've left this
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luncheon 100% team Jen. Shelike, actually came out with
some facts, and she seemed veryreasonable, which is, you know,
totally against what we've beensaying the last four episodes
we've done now. So you know, I'mwilling to admit that we were
wrong.
Rosalinda Mendez (07:02):
And I guess, you know, we can say that means
that the Bravo editors arereally good, because they're
playing with your emotions atthe edit bay. But, um, I think
they're just both very strongpersonalities, and it's also
interesting to watch the otherladies. I mean, I think they're
a little horrified.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (07:19):
Yeah, they definitely don't know how to
react to the situation, and tobe honest, if I was at that
luncheon, I wouldn't know how toreact either. Because I don't
think any normal person hasreally experienced a lunch like
that, where people are justscreaming across a table in
public.
Rosalinda Mendez (07:34):
Right, and I think it was really brave of
both Heather and Whitney to tryto delve in there even though
they kind of got slapped down,but I think they both made
really good points. I mean, Ithink they were just trying to
say, Hey, why don't you examinewhat you're actually doing?
Like, you know, Jen made herselfvulnerable and you slapped her
down and you talked when youshouldn't have, and, you know,
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Mary just went straight overthat and she was she was just
like, you know, I don't reallycare and I'm just now I didn't
want her to be here and she'soffending Valter.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (08:06):
And Arturo....
Rosalinda Mendez (08:08):
Then they're like, wait a minute, I know,
Valter and Arturo. So....
Sara Van Tuerenhout (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, really, though, Mary's
again, still in the wrong herebecause she's embarrassing the
whole group really, but mainlyJen by calling her a hoodlum,
and just like attacking her,kinda really just pecking at
her, and she's embarrassing herin public, which I think is way
worse than anything Jen hasever, you know, quote, unquote,
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done to Mary, like call hergrandpa MFer. Because at the end
of the day she is. So where doyou go from there?
Rosalinda Mendez (08:42):
Well that's true, and it was really valiant
to see Whitney kind of was justlike, Hey, I may be the youngest
one here. But I'm kind of themore mature one here, and yeah,
it's kind of it's kind ofinteresting to see that she can
she was basically like the Greekchorus saying, okay, all of this
that's going on is really bad.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (09:01):
Yeah.
Because I mean, like, she wastrying to, like, help mediate
the situation and calmthing...like de escalate, and
then Mary was like, "what do youknow, you're 30," and really,
like she said, she might be 30or, you know, in her 30s. But
she the rest of them were actinglike they were 10.
Rosalinda Mendez (09:18):
Exactly. They weren't being in any way, and it
was just weird. I guess thething that was also weird about
that, I get that, you know, Jenfirst stormed off, and then she
actually came back, right,because...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (09:29):
*interjects* Yeah, but I mean Mary did kick
her out. She was like, you know,where the door is. Leave.
Rosalinda Mendez (09:34):
Right. I know.
But and then at that point,yeah, I guess you're told to
leave. But I think it was, itwas pretty brave of her to come
back to try to figure out how toclear the air, which is what
again, Mary said she wanted todo.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (09:48):
Yeah, and then when Heather kind of
pointed that out, because sheforced Jen back in and was
saying that y'all need to figurethis out. Because this was the
whole point of the luncheon. Yousaid it yourself. We're here to
iron things out, and get thingsout on the table so that we can
better understand each other andhave a good time, and then Mary
calls her two faced becauseHeather was pointing out Mary's
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own hypocrisy, and so really,Mary seems to feel like she's
beyond reproach.
Rosalinda Mendez (10:14):
I just find it funny. I mean, it's one of those
things where you almost like,they don't like each other cuz
they're so much alike becausebasically Jen was like, Oh, hey,
look, Meredith is talking to Lisor Meredith is talking to, to
Sara Van Tuerenhou (10:24):
*Interjects* Valter...
to Mary. So you can't be my frind, and now Heather's *Mary i
* like, well, you're kind of tking her side, so you can't b
my friend. So like, literall, they both do the same kinds
f things where you have to pica side and be on that side, and
if you're not, you're not teir friend. So yeah, I think t
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ere's a little bit of both Mry and Jen where they're a lit
le bit like each other tempeamentally in how they see thin
s. So yeah, that was interestng, and again, I just, I ju
t I felt bad for everybody siting around that table. I als
felt bad again, again, for Aturo and...
Rosalinda Mendez (11:04):
...And Valter.
It's really funny at some point,someone said, you know, asked
him on I think one of the otherinterviews they did after the
show and they're like, you know,who seen Valter and they're
like, Oh, we see him all thetime. He doesn't really care.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (11:16):
Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, the type of
people and you know, that aregoing to Salt Lake City proud,
you know, people with money, andit seemed like an expensive
restaurant. So I mean, heprobably has, has handled a few
fights in his days.
Rosalinda Mendez (11:30):
Yeah, it's true. I mean, it's got to be a
good restaurant, right? It'sacross the street from...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:36):
*interjects* P. F. Changs...
Rosalinda Mendez (11:36):
Exactly. So...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (11:38):
...The national chain!
Rosalinda Mendez (11:39):
...It's, it's, it's, it's up there in the....
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:43):
*interjects* Some good orange chicken.
Rosalinda Mendez (11:44):
Exactly. So yeah, Jim could have got some
orange chicken to go...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (11:49):
*interjects* On the way out. Yeah....
But then you see, Jen finallydoes leave and Mary was asking
for her gift back. "Oh, Couldsomeone pass me that Louis
Vuitton box?" Which I feel islike so tacky... If you give
someone a gift, even ifsomething blows up afterwards,
you gave that person a gift, soyou can't take that back.
Rosalinda Mendez (12:08):
Yeah, but as far as I'm sure like Jen was
just like, I don't want yourgift if you're gonna be this
rude to me, which I don't thinkshe just stormed off and forgot
it. She was just like, I don'twant your gift and which is all
good and fine, which I- isrespectable, and that's, that's,
that's good. But the other thingis, it's like miracle to pick
that up at the end. What doesshe think? Heather was gonna
pocket it or something orsomebody was gonna, somebody
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around that table had likeshifty fingers, or she thought a
waiter was gonna take it? Imean, you don't have to make
such a big show of I'm taking itback because that just shows how
petty you are, and you know,we're starting to see this side
of Mary where, honestly, youknow, with the first few
episodes, you were starting tofeel a little sympathy for her,
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and you were starting to see herin a light where like, Okay,
well, she had this arrangedmarriage and, you know, it
wasn't necessarily the life shewanted, but now she has it and
she's making the best of it. Shehas a son and then and then
you're like, oh, and Jen's beingso unreasonable because she's,
you know, giving her a hard timebecause she may have said
something offhanded. But every,every, every episode now you're
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just seeing parts of Mary whereyou're like, this is not
attractive or Christian or anyof those things...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:18):
Yeah no, with each episode my like, of
Mary diminishes, and to behonest, the like, wasn't a lot
to start with. Which also propsto the editing room at Bravo. I
mean, we know how great theiredits are, and how shady really
they are. But yeah, each episodewe peel back that onion layer
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and I'm just crying more andmore each layer.
Rosalinda Mendez (13:43):
Yeah, no, that's that's really good. So we
move on, unfortunately, from thewonderful Met Gala luncheon to
actually seeing Whitney.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:52):
Yeah, we actually see Whitney going to
her, I believe half-brother's?
Rosalinda Mendez (13:57):
Yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (13:57):
Jiu Jitsu studio, which is actually pretty
cool. Because we see her tackleher brother a couple times. I
mean, they were talking aboutserious topics, but you have
this montage of her flipping herbrother three, four times.
Which, you know, looking atWhitney, I would have never
expected her to be so I guess...
physical.
Rosalinda Mendez (14:13):
Hey, she's got that great core from pole
dancing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (14:15):
Oh, that's, that's a good point. That's a
good point. She is athletic.
We've already noted that so it'snot much of a leap, I guess.
Rosalinda Mendez (14:21):
Yeah, I know.
I think she's got a lower centerof gravity and a good core so
she can flip him. But no, it wasactually really sweet, and we
get a another glimpse at Whitneywhere I'm sorry they're doing an
awe- I mean, I mean, I can't seeany bad sides to Whitney yet.
The editing. I- you see allthese women who are very
judgmental of her because of youknow, the way she was in her
relationship now and, you know,all these other things, but you
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know, she's taking care of herdad. She's like, she talks about
the divorces that they wentthrough and, you know, or I'm
sorry, the fact that she livedin a family with two divorced
parents that then got divorced.
So you know, it was very it wasa blended family to start with
and then she and her sister camealong, and then her dad had this
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addiction and she took care ofhim, and she even supported him
when he went through rehab, andthen kind of skipped out on the
follow up. But, you know, shewas always there, and it was
really also nice actually to seeWhitney's brother. You know,
because as she says, in the, inthe show, after the divorce all
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the kids all pick sides,depending on you know, who's who
their parent was, and her halfbrother seems to be saying,
Okay, well, I'm willing to givehim a chance, if he's going to
do the work, we should kind ofrally around and you know, make
things right again, and it wasreally nice to see that you can
have siblings that can overcomethe problems their parents have,
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and also see their parents asflawed individuals that also
need their love. So that wasactually really nice. I was and
it was really just good to seeWhitney in a different dynamic
because sometimes I think theythey don't they they go the
extreme with Whitney. She's thepole dancer. She's the young
one. She's the whatever, and soit's nice to see how grounded
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she really is.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (16:12):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel like
she's giving us the most youcould say "realness" of the
cast. Maybe bar, Heather. Butno, I really like her arc. I
think she's a really down toearth, nice individual, and I'm
intrigued to see how that'llplay out in this season. Because
we know anyone who signs up fora reality TV show, probably
something else going on there.
So I'm sure we'll see somefeisty moments.
Rosalinda Mendez (16:33):
Yeah, and it's also nice that they go through
the whole arc so that after sheleaves the Jiu Jitsu studio, she
goes and she takes her dad tosober living and she really is
like it she you can see herbecoming the parent kind of
saying, you know, I'm proud ofyou. I really am glad that
you're doing this but she takeshim with on a rainy day with his
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TV in the back of the truck.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (16:57):
I know. I don't know if any of y'all
noticed that. But there was a TVin the bed there of their truck,
and I was you know, honestly I'mgetting worried for that TV. I
hope it made it...
Rosalinda Mendez (17:06):
Yeah. So you know cuz in sober living, you
got to have something to...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (17:09):
*interjects* Well you have to have something
to do. You've gotta replace oneaddiction with another right?
Rosalinda Mendez (17:12):
I know. You gotta be able to stream whatever
you can or binge, whatever.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:15):
Yeah, binge the new Real Housewives episode.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:18):
Exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:19):
I wonder if he's watching the show?
Rosalinda Mendez (17:20):
Yeah, I don't know.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:21):
I'd be intrigued to hear his
perspective, looking back onhimself.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:26):
Right, and so then we go back to another
ladies kind of, you see,Meredith?
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:31):
Yes
Rosalinda Mendez (17:32):
....And she is picking up her husband.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (17:34):
Yeah, he just flew in from Ohio because I
guess he now has a corporateheadquarters and I believe
Akron. I don't really know, Ohiovery well so don't don't at me
at this. But she picks him up atthe airport expecting you know,
to be like a very kind of light,breezy thing. Like, oh, hey, how
are you doing? How's it going?
Because, again, they're dating.
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They're like, supposed to behaving fun.
Rosalinda Mendez (17:58):
And she even says, "let's treat this like a
first date."
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:01):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:01):
And for the first, I don't know, minute and
a half, it's going okay, like,he's kind of excited about the
fact that it's like a firstdate, and he's excited about her
picking him up just but justlike for a minute, like when,
he's getting in the car...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:13):
No well cuz I mean like, even then though,
he's treating her like, "oh,well, you never pick me up from
the airport. You never do this.
What's up? What's going on withthis??
Rosalinda Mendez (18:21):
That's true at the very, very beginning. But
then when he gets in the car, heand she says that. He becomes
like, oh, okay, well, maybe Ishould just, you know, be nice
and light about this. But thatlasts for a whole about minute,
and then we get into it again.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:36):
Yeah.
Because then he asked her "oh,will you move to Ohio?"
Rosalinda Mendez (18:41):
*interjects* After ski season, right? He's
like, are you gonna be moving toOhio? Because I think he's in
Canton.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:46):
Oh, Canton.
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:47):
And then but he said they could live in
Akron, which I believe is abigger town.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (18:51):
Yeah. Which is close to Cleveland. I had to
look it up.
Rosalinda Mendez (18:53):
So anyway, so yeah, but but then he makes this
whole argument about, you know,what's more important, you know,
the person you're with or theplace you're at, and honestly,
when he goes through all of hisarguments, and she then
describes how many times she'shad to move for him. It's like,
yeah, at some point, you gettired of doing that, and like,
what is the point after a while,I understand that you make some,
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you know, sacrifices in yourmarriage, but she was just
saying she's never really evengotten to enjoy things with her
kids, because she's constantlymoving.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (19:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think should they move
to like four plus differentcities for his job, and we have
to remember too, that she hasher own business, and I can't
even imagine how hard that mustbe to keep moving your quote
unquote, corporate headquartersevery six, seven months,
Rosalinda Mendez (19:40):
Right, and it doesn't sound like she, I mean,
at least when she was firststarting, and let's face it, who
do we not know that doesn't havea jewelry line sometime in their
life. So, I mean, it's kind ofhard to get traction. So
literally, I guess the thing is,is it's hard to get something up
and up and rolling, and itsounds like when they moved to
Salt Lake City, she found hersweet spot. She found a niche.
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She found, you know, people whowere buying her jewelry, she
obviously is not a cheap, it'snot very, you know, it's not
like a cheap jewelry line. It'sfairly, it's very expensive. So
it's not easy to kind of buildthat business, and then all of a
sudden say, Oh, yeah, well, I'mnot going to move this $14,000
whatever, you know, a piecething to Canton, Ohio, where I'm
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going to have Oh, so many peoplecoming in to buy my stuff...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (20:29):
Yeah, that's just not her client base
at all, and I get well hi- likeher client base and his client
base are so different, they'rejust diametrically opposed. So I
mean, it doesn't really makemuch sense why she would move to
Akron, especially since they'rein this kind of state of limbo
of separation. So I totally getwhy she wouldn't want to move,
and it seems like they had justmoved to Salt Lake City because
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she's still furnishing her home,and so that's a very much a, in
the moving phase of moving intoa house. So it seems like she
hasn't even finished on packing,and he's already asking, oh,
well, why don't you want toleave?
Rosalinda Mendez (21:06):
Right. So I think that, you know, in some
ways, you know, he's the onethat's just kind of saying, you
know, you need to be the, youneed to be the little woman and
move for me, and if you don'twant to do that, then I'm not,
and I'm glad she turns it aroundon him, and says, "well, why
don't you want to just movehere?"
Sara Van Tuerenhout (21:25):
Well, yeah, that's a little thing, because
he was saying that, Oh, well, Iwould move anywhere for you,
which is just a blatant lie. Imean, how did he not know that
was gonna get, like, thrown intohis face, because they are
living in Salt Lake City, and asshe says her corporate
headquarters is in Salt LakeCity. So if he really would move
anywhere for her, then whywouldn't he just move to where
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they already own a house?
Rosalinda Mendez (21:47):
Exactly. Plus, I mean, and honestly, I guess at
this point, I'm sure one of thethings he's thinking is, you
know, the kids are all out ofschool, it doesn't matter
anymore. But I think she's justhaving PTSD from the entire
marriage. Like she was like, Iwas never happy having to get up
and move all the time, and kindof now I don't have these extra
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responsibilities of carting kidsaround and I can really focus on
my business, and it's goingwell, and I'm happy here and I
have friends and everythingseems to be... and now. I mean,
in some cases, and this happensa lot in marriages, where if you
have the kids to focus on,sometimes it kind of patches
over all the other bad thingsthat are happening in your
marriage, because you have todeal with the kids, and once you
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know, those kids aren't theyaren't around. They don't need
you to be there for them asmuch, then, you know, the cracks
really start to show.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (22:37):
Yeah, but then we get into another scene
with them where they're talking.
They're at their house now, Iguess, post airport, obviously,
and they're talking about howMeredith might need some space,
and that maybe theirrelationship won't last.
Rosalinda Mendez (22:52):
Yeah, I think the idea that they need some
spaces is probably the bestthing for their marriage, and,
you know, if he's going to takethis hard line, I just I don't
see it really working out. Ireally don't. It doesn't look
like it's a salvageable thing. Ithink that I mean, she's very
sad about it, like most peoplewould be I'm sure this is, you
(23:12):
know, obviously, someone she's,you know, the father for
children. It's somebody that shereally cared about. It's
somebody she's made in, youknow, incredible sacrifices
for...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (23:21):
I mean, I have no doubt that she doesn't
*does* love him. I believe thatthere is still love there. But
as I'm sure many people know,like, there's a difference
between loving someone and beingin love with someone and you
know, you have to kind of justaccept that.
Rosalinda Mendez (23:36):
Right, and you can, I mean, you can almost tell
at the very end of that scene,she's just so sad. When he says,
Well, maybe if I leave, youknow, and I'm away, you'll see
that, you know, your life isbetter without me in it, and she
goes on, and I think that thatmight be true, and so I think at
that point, she really nailswhat what she's feeling, you
know, instead of having thisback and forth, back and forth,
(23:58):
it's just like, I need thespace. I need you not here, and
this isn't really working. Butwe'll see. I mean, obviously, it
looks like there's a lot we'regonna have to dive into about
their relationship.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (24:08):
Yeah, and on a light hearted side note, if
anyone noticed in that scene inthe bedroom, where they're
talking about the demise oftheir marriage, so really cheery
stuff... In the backgroundbehind Meredith is a bear poster
or painting, I don't even knowmaybe a photo, and if you
remember or rewind back to theart gallery episode, you see
(24:29):
that same bear painting. Soclearly, she bought something
there. I thought that was aninteresting add in because she's
all like, Oh, I have a veryelegant monochrome simple design
ideas, and here she has thislike big, very colorful bear in
her bedroom, which is likestanding towering over her. I
don't know, that's just like notsomething I'd want in my
(24:49):
bedroom. It is. I mean,honestly, bold choice, and I
kind of like her more for doingit.
Rosalinda Mendez (24:55):
Yeah, I know.
It's almost like that big bearis like the- their marriage.
It's just like, over her, andoverarching, and it's about to
pounce...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (25:03):
*interjects* About to eat her....
Rosalinda Mendez (25:04):
Exactly. So now we move over to Meredith's
twin, Lisa.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (25:09):
Oh, yes.
Oh, Lisa. We start kind of thisconversation with Lisa. We see
her at her son's eighth birthdayparty, honestly, whatever. We
don't care about the birthdayparty, but her next conversation
is about marriage, and that kindof spurs off of the conversation
that her and her husband werehaving at the eighth birthday
party about Meredith and Seth'sseparation, and she was talking
(25:30):
about how I guess in the MormonChurch again, I'm learning so
much about the Mormon church,and their beliefs and things.
I'm sure it's totally notrepresentative of the church as
a whole. But anyways, I'm goingto take it as fact. But they
were saying how marriage isforever, like eternal, which is
a really long time to be withsomeone....
Rosalinda Mendez (25:50):
I know, at least in all the other
denominations that I know of,it's till death do us part. I
mean, you kind of have this rosythought of, you know, oh, you
die, you go and meet yourhusband. But that's not what the
contract says. "Death do uspart."
Sara Van Tuerenhout (26:03):
Yeah, I mean, cuz you could die and then
maybe meet somebody else.
Rosalinda Mendez (26:06):
Yeah. What are you gonna do? Have like gonna
be, you'll be like a Mormon inHeaven. You'll have multiple
wives, or husbands.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (26:13):
But then that also brings up a logistical
question. I believe Mormonsbelieve in hell, I'm not sure.
But let's go with that. But whathappens if one partner is in
hell, and the other partner isin heaven? Like is the marriage
still there? Is the otherpartner just kind of forced to
be in heaven and not doanything?
Rosalinda Mendez (26:29):
I think, you know, the way that Mormonism
seems to work, you know, whereyou have to be perfect, and all
these other things is that ifyou if your partner's in Hell, I
think you have to go down andjoin them, because they're not
going to let an imperfect personinto heaven. So I think you are
literally tied to that person.
Youneed to make sure. I thinkthat's why they try to make sure
I think they- she talks aboutthis, like having this family
(26:50):
dynamic that Mormonism is aboutthe eternal family, right, and
so I think that that...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (26:58):
*interjects* Scary thought...
Rosalinda Mendez (26:59):
...I know, so I think that part of that is is
that you keep each other honest,so that you both enter heaven.
So it's not like gonna be one ofthese things. But still, we've
seen like, and we've heard aboutsneaky Mormons. So we know that
there are people who are notkeeping up to their
Sara Van Tuerenho (27:15):
Perfectionist goals.
Rosalinda Mendez (27:17):
Exactly.
So....
Sara Van Tuerenhout (27:19):
And then I feel bad for Lisa's husband,
because then she talks about howwhen sometimes when she's mad at
him, she's thrown out hisRolexes out the car window, I
guess, while they're driving,
Rosalinda Mendez (27:32):
Right. That was really funny, because that
was in the confessional, andbasically, what happened was,
the producer was like, you didgo back to get it? And she's
like, Yeah, but it was reallyhard, because it was in a
snowbank, and I was like...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (27:43):
Yeah, and like she didn't go back to get
it, he went to go back and getit and like, Rolexes are so
expensive. Again, rich people donot deserve money. They just
literally throw, like, how muchis an average Rolex?
Rosalinda Mendez (27:56):
I don't know, it could be anywhere from $5000
to $100,000. I think.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:00):
Okay, we're throwing out a $5000 plus dollar
watch. I mean, let's be honest,it's probably like $20,000 -
$30,000 out of a moving car.
Like who does that like thatcould give someone a home.
That's some, some people's wholeyearly salary. Like these people
live such vapid lives, which Iguess is why we like to watch
(28:21):
them. But you know, sometimesit's jarring to hear it, you
know, when you're not thinkingabout it.
Rosalinda Mendez (28:27):
Right, and I think that part of it is, is
that Lisa is trying to at leastwhen she's talking to her
husband about it. She's kind ofsaying things like, you know,
you should just worship me, andI shouldn't have to do things
for presents, and he's like,would you?
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:43):
He's like, please perform services....
Rosalinda Mendez (28:45):
So yeah, so we see a little bit of their
marriage, and, you know, itseems like a pretty typical
marriage. She pretty much rulesthe roost in that house, you can
tell.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (28:54):
Oh, for sure.
Rosalinda Mendez (28:55):
So then we move on, and we see another
marriage and how it works, whichis something Jen has talked
about in the very first episode,which is basically her FaceTime
marriage with Sharrieff.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (29:04):
Yeah, and they actually have a nice heart
to heart which I'm actuallysurprised they were... that he
was allowed to take a phone callmidday because you think you'd
be practicing. But regardless,Jen was giving Sharrieff the 411
about what happened at thatluncheon, which I'm, well I
guess, since they have aFaceTime marriage, that would be
the first opportunity she couldhave told him but moving on, she
(29:24):
was giving him the 411 and shewas talking about the 7-Eleven
comment, and how Mary called hera hoodlum and ghetto, and I
think again, this just furtherreinforces how Jen is totally in
the right here, and I reallydon't see anything redeemable of
what Mary has done or said, andso, yeah, I'm team Jen.
Rosalinda Mendez (29:44):
Yeah, for this one. I am too, and basically,
it's really nice that Sharrieffis easy. It's really funny. It
sounds like he's talking to oneof his players when he's
talking... I'm really proud ofyou, and you know, he's going on
and so you can see how he'd be agood coach. Because he's...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (29:58):
*interjects* Yeah, he seems like such a great
guy honestly...
Rosalinda Mendez (30:00):
... Super motivational super, like, you
know, very good at pointing outlike what you personally did
Sara Van Tuerenhout (30:06):
Yeah.
Although I mean, I think I wouldright, and you know how you
shouldn't let these thingsaffect you, and you should
basically stick to your guns,and so it's it was actually it
was a nice conversation. So yousee a very nice, healthy looking
marriage even though it's youknow, again here I mean, here
you have somebody else like, I'msure that I'm not sure it wasn't
(30:26):
clear that Sharrieff has beea coach anywhere else. So
ot they've had to move aroundoo many times. But his job ta
es him everywhere, like durng football season, and the
I think, during not when,ou know, he's probably does,
ou know, spring recruitment andll these other things. So,
ou know, he's, he is probably ahonestly really like to see the
kind of circa to 2010, 2011ay a lot, and so and he leaves
(30:48):
en alone, which I think in sme cases is part of our prob
em with Jen, is that she fels lonely. So she has to fill
up that time with things withight assist
(31:09):
style, Beverly Hills, dads kindof scenes, you know, where not
the dads, but you know, thehusbands where all the husbands
would go out to drinks and youwould get to see that, like, I
kind of want to see the SaltLake City housewives, all of
their husbands get together andjust see how that's like, I
mean, I don't know how thatwould work with Sharrieff's
schedule, but I think that wouldbe cute.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:27):
Well, it would be cute. But the thing is, is I
think that in the case ofBeverly Hills, a lot of those
guys were.... they kind oftravel in the same circles,
whereas I'm not sure that that'sreally true for the Salt Lake
City guys.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:38):
That's true. It could be really
awkward. I just want to see moreof Coach Shah.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:41):
Yeah, I know.
I just I'm trying to think ofwhat Coach Shah and Robert
senior would have to talk about.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:46):
Oh, God, you're right. You know, I take
that statement back, I don'twant to see any more of Robert
Sr.
Rosalinda Mendez (31:51):
Yeah, I think we're good.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (31:53):
But speaking of Robert Sr., we have
all of this Jen unloading toSharrieff juxtaposed with Mary
unloading to Robert Sr. and sheis just living in La La Land.
Like she is so delusional aboutwhat's going on between her and
Jen and really her and the restof the group because she sees
herself as kind of this queenbee figure, when all of us can
(32:14):
see she's the one on theoutskirts like she is one
comment away from getting kickedout of this group.
Rosalinda Mendez (32:20):
Yeah, definitely, and you can also see
where you know, where you havekind of a more.... Sharrieff is
kind of much more assertive andhas a place, you know, Robert
Sr. You know, basically, it'skind of sad, because it's almost
like you look at both of them,and they're like they're in this
I don't know if it's a lovemarriage or not a love marriage.
It doesn't sound like one to me,honestly, from looking in, and
(32:42):
yes, it was an arrangedmarriage, but it was arranged
marriage for the same reason forboth of them for the money, like
it..., and so he feels becausethat money came from Mary's
grandma that he has to basicallykowtow to her and say, Oh,
honey, yeah, you're right, andthis isn't wrong, and yes,
they're just jealous, and Imean, obviously, she pitches it
(33:03):
that way. So from him not beingthere. He sees it that way. But
it's just kind of crazy. I mean,I just I don't I the things that
she said were again, as youknow, they're pretty
indefensible. Like, I don'tknow, how anyone can kind of be
on Mary's side and say, well,especially when she starts
(33:24):
talking about, you know, shekinda... she just belittles it,
right? It's like, it's like Idon't like hospitals. I don't
like convenience stores. It'slike she's I mean, we apparently
if you're Mary's friend, yousomehow have to know all the
things and topics that are goingto set her off. Because if you
bring them up, then you knowsomehow, you're doing it just to
(33:46):
injure her.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (33:47):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (33:47):
So the other thing that's hilarious is she's
like she then sets the wholeargument up to be like, Jen is
the problem. She's the rottenapple as long as one person that
screws it up for everybody, andshe doesn't realize that she's
that person.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (33:59):
Yeah, she's definitely the rotten apple of
the bunch, and she's reallybringing everyone else down, and
I don't know how you watch thatMet Gala scene, and see Mary as
the victim or the sympathetic...
She's the instigator. She kickedJen out. She said, really mean
things to her, and then oh, butWhoa, is me. I just I you know,
I wish I lived in that fantasyland of, I'm right, everyone
(34:22):
else is wrong.
Rosalinda Mendez (34:25):
Yeah, and then we go again to a housewife and
housewife dinner. Again, it'seither everybody's there causing
drama, or they're one on one,and then it's just kind of an
odd pairing. You know,basically, it's Mary and Heather
having dinner, and it was reallystrange, because, you know,
basically Mary told Heather, shewas two faced.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (34:48):
Yeah, I don't.... Like personally, if I
thought someone was two faced,why would I want to go have
dinner with them, and then, onthe flip side, as Heather like
if someone called me two facedI'd be like, fine. I don't need
to be friends with you if youthink that about me, so I don't
get why they're having dinner.
But nonetheless they are. Sothey're talking about what
happened, what really went down,and we get to hear more about
(35:11):
Mary's delusions. But beforethat....
Rosalinda Mendez (35:15):
Yeah, we get the best line of the entire
episode which was, again Marydropped some pearls of wisdom
down there, because the waitercomes to find out if they want
water, and so the subject ofcarbonated water comes up, and
Mary's like, you know,carbonation affects your
ovaries...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (35:33):
Which to me, though, is she thinking
about having another child? Idon't get it. I mean, also,
where did she find thisinformation? WhatsApp?
Rosalinda Mendez (35:42):
Yeah, I don't know. This is hilarious, and
then the great thing is thatHeather's like, I'll take two.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (35:46):
I know because she's like, I don't want
to have any more kids, whichhonestly, I totally get that.
But yeah, I don't know where Dr.
Mary gets her. I mean, first wehave water will save your legs.
But now carbonated water doesnot have the same healing
effects. It fucks up yourovaries. So watch out ladies.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:04):
Or if you're looking for a different form of
birth control, and you don'twant to like take any chemicals.
Carbonated water. Yeah, yeah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:11):
But why ovaries specifically? Why not
the whole reproductive system?
Rosalinda Mendez (36:16):
I don't know we'll have to check with Dr.
Mary. So if anyone out therelistening knows why carbonation
is...
Sara Van Tuerenhou (36:22):
*interjects* And is it only carbonated water
that affects your reproductiveor ovaries? I should say.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:27):
I don't know.
I had a lot of fizzy drinks, andI was able to have you so...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:32):
And a pitcher of Margarita.
Rosalinda Mendez (36:34):
That's true.
So... I was a little housewifeybefore Sara turned up. Anyway.
So then we have Mary then goingover all of her problems with
Jen Shah.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (36:48):
Yeah, she pretty much listed it out for
us, and I kind of wrote themdown. But she one thinks that
Jen is jealous of what she has,because Jen would not be used to
seeing a black woman have moneyand power because Jen has no
relation to anyone that's blackthat has money or power.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:07):
Yeah, it's really a Jen who had the I don't
know what to say. $40,000 likebirthday party.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:12):
Yeah, like $46,000 birthday party. She
lives in....
Rosalinda Mendez (37:14):
*interjects* For Meredith...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:15):
A freakin chalet, and her husband is like
one of the top black footballcoaches. So I think she has a
little idea.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:23):
And she's rocking those like six inch
Louboutins all the time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:26):
I think she has just a little bit of money.
So this whole idea that...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:30):
*interjects* She has eight assistants...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:32):
Yeah she has eight assistants...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:33):
On the payroll.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:34):
I just genuinely don't know where Mary
comes up with these things. Imean, she really just pulls them
out of her ass and honestlycommendable because I'd get too
stuck in my head about that notjust being true at all. But you
know, she just goes for thedelusion.
Rosalinda Mendez (37:47):
Yeah, and so and then she says Jen's being
racist, which I really don'tunderstand.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (37:51):
Yeah, that yeah, she... again delusion and
she...
Rosalinda Mendez (37:56):
*interjects* No proof. No, like what it was
that actually did it other thanshe said, I don't think she's
ever seen a black person withthis much stuff.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (38:03):
And she's like...
Rosalinda Mendez (38:04):
*interjects* Like she's seen her husband...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (38:06):
No, exactly, and like, she also was
saying Mary was saying that Jenwas jealous because she's not
queen bee nor MVP, and shedidn't like that she wasn't
number one, which let's be real.
Jen probably is number one ofthis group. She is the biggest
personality. Everyone comes andhails to her side. So I don't
know where Mary's getting thisidea that she's the, you know,
(38:27):
circus leader.
Rosalinda Mendez (38:30):
I thought this was just an interesting.... well
it was an interesting episode.
In some ways, it was a little itwasn't as exciting in some ways.
But it was it was interesting tome in watching this kind of in
the scope of what we've kind ofgone through this past summer
(2020), and the fact that youhave these two women of color,
who are... have these totallydifferent ideas of race, and
they obviously, you know, comefrom a different socioeconomic
(38:54):
background. They have differentupbringings. But the weird thing
to me was watching this, waswatching the white woman not
know how to discuss race. LikeHeather tried a little bit, I
think, but not really, andnobody ever said, You know, I
mean, at some point, someone asopposed to hearing it off
(39:15):
camera, you know, in theselittle snippets to, you know,
either other housewives or tohusbands. At some point, you
feel that one of these whitegirls should've just said, Hey,
this is inappropriate. What youjust said is wrong, and you
know, but I just felt like theywere just on the sideline
watching, which is kind ofbasically exerting their white
(39:36):
privilege to not get involved.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (39:40):
Yeah, but I mean, that's just in typical
housewives fashion. I don'texpect any of these women to be
up on race politics and feelcomfortable enough to talk about
race.
Rosalinda Mendez (39:49):
No, I understand. But I mean,
basically, the things that Jenwas saying to me was actually
more like I may be not raciallyblack. But I understand it
because it's been my experience,whereas Mary just doesn't talk
about it at all, and the only,you know, view you have in on
her is basically my family hadmoney, and I don't you know,
(40:13):
have to deal with it.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:14):
Yeah. My thing though... it's like what
Sharrieff said, you know, thereare black people who don't like
other black people.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:19):
No, and that's exactly what Mary is, I think...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:22):
Yeah.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:22):
...A Black person who doesn't really
appreciate other black people.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:24):
Yeah, I don't think you know, when Jen
had that first interaction withher like, Oh, another person of
color who gets what I'm goingthrough and what we're both
going through. I don't thinkMary had that same reaction.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:34):
No, I don't think so. At all. So, but, you
know, again, they are both themothers of black sons.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:40):
Yeah...
Rosalinda Mendez (40:40):
And you think that Mary would like worry about
her son.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (40:43):
Well, I think she kind of just lives in
this like insulated bubble.
Rosalinda Mendez (40:47):
Yeah, no, no, and that's basically how it is.
But I again, I understand it'sSalt Lake City, you know, the
women were brought up in acertain kind of way. There
weren't any black people around.
I that was the interesting thingtoo, about going back to race
issues from Episode One whenJen's talking about marrying
Sharrieff. I mean it tookSharrieff to like point out that
there were no other black peoplein the Mormon church for to go,
(41:07):
Oh, well, then I want to be partof this. Like, you didn't notice
the entire time you were therethat that wasn't a thing.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:14):
Well, that's my other thing too,
though. So like, they havecompletely different lived
experiences because--- well, Idon't understand how Jen
wouldn't be cognizant of thatfact.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:23):
But she says it which is really odd...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:24):
No, I know, but but she says that she... her
lived experience living in SaltLake City, is that a black
woman. But then she didn't evennotice that there weren't any
other people of color or blackpeople in the church?
Rosalinda Mendez (41:35):
No, that's what I mean, and it took
Sharrieff to say that and she'slike, oh, okay, well then I need
to quit.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:38):
So I mean, that's just kind of
questionable.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:41):
I mean, I'm not sure exactly the Muslims are
really happy with As-salamualaykum bitches.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:46):
Ehh, I mean, she drinks, sooo...
Rosalinda Mendez (41:49):
That's true...
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:49):
I don't think she's the "perfect"
Muslim.
Rosalinda Mendez (41:50):
She's not gonna be a strict Muslim.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (41:52):
But yeah, I- to end it kind of on a more
light note. Thankfully, thisepisode is not a two parter. We
finally get rest. I'm sothankful. Thank you. Bravo,
gods.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:02):
No more two partners. I am begging you! No
more. Please. Free us from thistorture.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:08):
Yeah, we're done with the two parties for at
least one episode. We'll see.
Well, I- we'll check in to it.
We'll check in on our nextpodcast and we'll find out
whether we are either at acliffhanger again or not.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:20):
I can't say I'm very hopeful.
Rosalinda Mendez (42:21):
But anyway, till next time.
Sara Van Tuerenhout (42:23):
That's our podcast! Thank you so much! If
you wouldn't mind leaving us alike, comment, subscribe, leave
us review, and we'll see you onthe next one. Bye!
Rosalinda Mendez (42:31):
Bye!
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