Welcome to Salt Lake City!

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Sara Van Tuerenhout (00:11):
Hey guys welcome to Met Gala luncheon I'm
your host Sara Van Tuerenhoutand I'm joined by

Rosalinda Mendez (00:16):
Rosalinda

And this is the podcast where we break down
our favorite reality TV showsand dive into the craziness that
ensues. This week for our firstepisode, we're getting into the
Real Housewives of Salt LakeCity episode one, "Welcome to
Salt Lake City."

This is just a great thing. I'm a real
housewives fan like, I watchedthe very first Orange County, so
watching this one, you know, andbeing the first one that we're
watching together is actuallypretty exciting for me. So we
need to break it in to see howthey've chosen these women. So
we're talking a little bit abouteach one of them so we can kind
of introduce you to them, andthen we'll get down into what

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we'll be seeing for the...

*interjects the first episode.

Exactly.

A lot went down this first episode and I'm
really excited to see where thisseason goes. So we've got six
interesting women...

Yeah, I mean, they're all very diverse. It's
like you pretty much think ofSalt Lake City, and they kind of
even preface this in the introthat you know, it's kind of you
know, Salt Lake City is kind ofmagical and weird because of the
Mormons.

Yeah, I mean, it was...it definitely
like out of left field likechoosing Salt Lake City as a
location.

It did...I guess my thing is, is like, are
the Mormons really thatmystical?

I mean, they have their own planet and
magical underwear.

No, no, I get that but, but the funny thing
was, is that I'm just like,okay, we've all met Mitt Romney,
he's not that scary. Like, interms of Mormons, I mean, I
could name a few, but theydon't. But anyway, but then then
you find out that they're kindof all a little bit Mormon
adjacent. So you're not reallygetting into the mysticalness of

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the Mormons, even though many ofthem seem to be related.

Yeah, Mormon royalty, and like the
bodyguard of Brigham Young, likewe've got some heavy hitters in
the Mormon church that have justkind of fallen off the
bandwagon.

Well, my thing is, part of that is like, I
didn't realize that theyconsidered Howard Hughes, a
Mormon. I mean, it was just hisdriver that was a Mormon.

mean, I uess, you know, they need as
any people as they can get, sohey'll take anyon

But that's what constitutes Mormon royalty,
but I literally don't think hewas Mormon. I mean, he's buried,
like, right next to our downtownhere in Houston. So, you know,
he was also in one of thosehermetic chambers and never cut
off his hair or his fingernails.
Like that's much more mysticalthan any of the Mormon stuff
we've gotten into in this firstepisode.

Yeah, but I guess, you know, that's pretty
on brand for Mormonism. Youknow, it's about the pursuit of
perfection, and, you know...

I- I guess so anyway. So just to get right
into it, I guess we can talkabout, you know, we're just
going to kind of go through eachof the women because they all
have very interesting taglines,which we're not gonna really we
may like refer to them, but likeother podcasts, talk about them
in depth, which I'm not surereally needs to be...

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*interjects* Rehashed. Yeah.
...examined that much.

Although I will say I was kind of
disappointed. I mean, thesewomen obviously, have seen
previous Housewives franchises,and this is the best, like even
their kids didn't comment on it.
Like, I don't know.

Yeah, I was they were they were not they
were not the best in terms ofout of the gate taglines, but I
guess first off we meet Jen.

Yeah. Jen.
Oh, gosh. Do we have a lot tosay about Jen, but we'll keep it
light to start.

Right so basically, we kind of opened up
with Jen and her family havingbreakfast.

Yeah yeah, Coach Shah was making breakfast
for the for the fam.

So Jen is like, she's a Pacific Islander
and also Chinese.

Yeah, she's like the Tongan, Hawaiian, and
Chinese, and I think she wasborn in Hawaii, and then she
moved to Salt Lake City when shewas like seven or eight or
something like that and wasconverted to Mormonism,
and...and that I guess, maybethe she met coach Shah in Utah
as well.

Coach Shah, who is a Muslim football coach
for the University of Utah.

Yeah, that must be very interesting, living
in Salt Lake City for him.

Yeah, I mean, I guess the fact that he's the
football coach, he gets lots ofbasically passes on things that
I think most people at you know,at Utah may not have to like
deal with. At least he's not atBYU where he would be under lock
and key. But you know, he is atUtah, and I guess
they're...they're as long as theUtes are doing okay, they're
probably not going to come downon him too hard. But anyway, so

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we learned about a lot about Jenand her and her family. She has
how many sons?

I think three, right? Yeah. And she
definitely for a breakfastconversation, this first intro
into her life was just...itdefinitely just took me aback.
It was like, oh, gosh, this isthis is Jen Shah. Because like
the first episode, she's askingher son, "oh, do you have a
girlfriend?" And he's like, theher youngest son or middle son

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or whatever, was like, "oh, Idon't know what you're talking
about," and like, She's like,"oh, just like, don't go kissing
anybody cuz you could getAIDS??"

Yeah, so right off the bat, she like comes out
with something that like, huh?

Yeah.

Literally, have you been under a rock?
Like, we know that you can't getAIDS from kissing?

Yeah, that was just really like, like, all
of a sons and even Coach Shahwas like, "what? what is
happening?"

I can't believe that we're still in 2020
and she's or I guess it was2019...

Yeah.

...She was still discussing AIDS as
something that's communicable,by kissing,

Yeah, byt then I mean, she, you know,
doubled down on this awkwardbreakfast. Like, I don't know
about you, but if - when I'mhaving breakfast, I'm not really
thinking about these, like,wanting to talk about
relationships or AIDS. You know,I don't know. But she she keeps
going and talks about and askedher son if he'd ever heard of
sexting, and I just think it'sfunny how they both were like,

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"no, no, I've never heard ofsexting before." Like, that,
obviously, is a lie. Like, comeon.

Yeah, it's just, it is crazy. I mean, you
know, the and the thing that'seven more hilarious about that
is that then she's gonna give meadvice about if you get a sext,
then you have to block them andthen come tell me. Like any
like, normal teenager is goingto come tell their mother about
the sext they got.

Like, oh, my God, that'd be such horror,
like no.

Yeah, no, I, I kind of feel like that was that
that just seemed really a littlebit artificial to me.

Yeah.

I mean, obviously, and I feel bad for
the kids. Because like,obviously, you're first of all,
it's an awkward conversation. Idon't think that's going on at
the Shah house every day

Like normally. It was the cameras?

Yeah there were cameras there, so she had
to come up with something kindof, you know, shocking.

Salacious.

Yeah. For her...

Sara Van Tuerenhou (07:17):
*interjects* First intro.

...Yeah, exactly. And then you're the
kids and you're like, thesepeople are all in my house, and
my mom's asking me aboutsexting, and she's also then
saying to me, "hey, you know,come tell me about your sext."

Yeah.

That is creepy AF anyway...

Although I mean, I feel like you know, what
the amount of assistants she hasand like, you know, I don't
know. I feel like it's kind ofum...what's that housewife from
Beverly Hills? Oh, gosh. Fromthis last season. She was
Charlie Sheen's ex wife.

Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Now uh. Denise.

Denise Richards. How she was always
talking about sex, and that wasa whole scandal for this last
season. But like, I don't know,I just feel like Jen and her
assistants are kind of out thereraunchy. Not in a bad way, bu
like, I don't know, maybthey're used to hearing thes
types

Well, I guess that's the crazy thing. It's
like, all of a sudden, like,after you know, Erika Jayne and
her glamsquad, which I guess arenow going away because of the
whole Tom and Erika Jayne

*interjects* The rise and fall...

The whole rise and fall that was a- if you
haven't read it, you should youknow check out...

*interjects* The LA Times.

...The LA Times on the rise and fall of
Erika Jayne and Tom. But, youknow, she kind of pioneered the
glam squad. I mean, there wereother people who had some glam
squads before, but this was likean impressive thing, and it felt
like, it felt like they all of asudden housewives need to have a
glam squad.

Yeah.

In fact, I want to say when Beverly Hills
came back after the first seasonof Erika Jayne, they all had...I
mean, Dorit had a glam squad.

Yeah.

Everybody had their glam squad and their
little social media, likefollowers who...not followers,
but I guess, assistants thatwere making sure that they had
every Instagramable moment, likethere wasn't like and she was
like, look, everybody waslooking perfect.

Yeah.

But yeah, I felt like this was Jen's like
attempt to like

*interjects* at the Erika glam squad...

Yeah, she wanted to be Erika Jayne like,

Yeah, well, cuz she had the Shah squad.

Right.

But let me but then you get into her first
assistant Stuart, who just likeknows everything about her. She
was like, Oh, yeah, Stuart knowsmore about me than even
Sharrieff.

Which is her husband.

Which is yes, coach Shah.

Yeah. So yeah, my thing is, is like, I don't
know which kind of I mean, helooks like he's probably in his
early his 40s. Maybe...

Yeah.

A 40 year old white, Mormon, man knowing about
somebody's cycle.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's fine, but
it's just like, I don'tunderstand like, I don't
understand the whole Shah squadin general. Like she has 8 plus
assistant and we don't even knowwhat she does.

Right? They never really refer to what she
does at all.

Yeah, besides like, host crazy parties
and like, lets her assistantsknow that they can't eat.
Because they have to doeverything and they have to be
available at a moment's notice.

Yeah, it just sounds...it just sounds crazy.

Yeah. And then finally also about Jen, we
noticed multiple times in theepisode, her like, every single
time she got out of a car. Itwas like a big Hollywood moment
like paparazzi. You see her footcoming down on the pavement, and
she's wearing these like kickass heels. Its just I mean,
she's, she's a character.

Yeah, it is really crazy.

All right, moving on to Heather, we see
that she is...that she's aPioneer Woman blazing her own
trail with Beauty Lab Cosmetics,which I mean, I didn't realize
the Mormon church was all aboutperfection. I mean, I'll be
honest, I didn't know much aboutthe Mormon Church in general
before this TV show, but I guessyeah, running a cosmetics brand

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would, would really be likeputting your hand in a river of
money.

Yeah, it sounds like it is, but yeah, I
was the same. I was not I wasnot aware of not only that, but
there was like, you know, thesegiant Mormon industries based
around that, you know, kind ofperfection. The interesting
thing about Heather, which Iknow has been mentioned by just
people in the media. I mean, itis kind of very, I guess it's

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nice to have someone who has,like I would say a more
realistic body type.

Yeah.

And to have I mean she doesn't have the, you
know, I mean, that's the thingabout it, like, a lot of the
rest of the women are prettymuch your kind of stereotypical
Real Housewives, they eitherhave like really big boobs,
they've had the plastic surgery,they look pretty perfect.

Yeah.

And the fact that she is a person who makes
her money from doing things likethat, but is like very
comfortable in her own skin, andis, you know, and also, I mean,
she has daughters, and she seemsto be very body positive with
them.

Yeah.

I don't think she's really pushing any agenda
that you have to be perfect,even though that's what she does
for a living.

That's true, but I mean, I did think it
was an interesting kind of like,side comment. I don't think
there's really much into it, butyou know, I like to overanalyze
things, but like she called herkids like greasy monkeys going
into that facial, like y'allneed some help.

I think she's just trying to be like the, you
know, mom who's in touch.

I mean, I don't know, I've never heard
greasy monkey before. Idon't...yeah.

Well, you know, that's Jen... And well,
and but the thing is...
I think, Iguess I mean, Heather, sorry.

Heather.
Heather, is like I mean, she'slike real down to earth I think
that's the I mean, I think inthat case, she is very pioneer.
Like she's not she's she doesn'tput on a ton of air. She kind of
knows who she is. She's alsovery, um I think she really, she
really does have this idea, eventhough she has a lot of

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insecurities, and they pop up alot in terms of her just not
feeling that she's adequate, andpart of that is I mean, we'll
get into it later, but about youknow, the fact she's divorced.
Yeah.

And she's raising these girls on her own,
and she also was married to

Mormon royalty.

Again, we find out...

Yeah.

So um yeah I mean, I think that that's like,
to me the most interesting thingabout *Heather* is that she is
like, more down to earth andmore normal.

Yeah, I think she's definitely the most
relatable of, of the Housewivesmay like maybe have, like all
the all of the franchises. Idon't know. I've only seen New
York and Beverly Hills, so like,neither of those franchises are
very, you know, like, relatableto the everyday woman because we
don't all have glam squads we'renot all going to the Hamptons,

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and then you know, but yeah,Heather feels very approachable,
relatable.

Yeah, I mean, you have like Gina and Emily on
OC now who are much more like,you know, body...body types are
more like normal people. But mything is, is they still seem to
be a little bit contrived. Now,the weird thing is Emily is
married to a Mormon.

Oh, interesting.

There is this Mormon thing going through...

Its a conspiracy.

It is. Bravo is now trying to push...

*interjects* The Mormon agenda.

Yeah, anyway, so uh...but yeah, so I guess you
know, part of you know what itis with her is I think she
unlike Gina and Emily, I thinkshe just seems like someone who
is like, literally somebodycould go out and have a... you
could take...you could have acocktail with and...

Yeah.

...and have fun with and she wouldn't be,
too I guess too stuffy or toosnooty. She probably wouldn't
like tell you to jog on.

Jog on...Okay. The next housewife we
meet is Whitney and like, I- itwas, I guess, jarring is the
wrong word, but like, it wasvery abrupt the transition in
between meeting Heather and thengoing into Whitney because the
setup is of a wedding., and likeyou see Whitney getting ready in

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this beautiful white dress goingdown the aisle, and like that's
very much - you told me thisearlier - was like very much
like a season finale of ahousewives franchise episode,
but like, that's her entrance.

Yeah, pretty much vow renewals are the
sacrosanct thing of a finalepisode or maybe the next to the
final episode on anything, andthey usually don't end up well.
Like nobody who's had a vowrenewal on The Real Housewives
has ever stayed married. So goodluck to you, Whitney.

Well, I mean, it has been 16 years. So
you know, fingers crossed forthem.

I don't know.
I want to say Vicky and Don weremarried for a long time as well,
like, Shannon Bedore was like,at least I don't know 19, 20 in.
I don't know

Oh gosh.

So you know, I think they both had her beat.
And then they were gone...

*interjects* Ramona and oh, shoot. What's his
name?

Mario, I think.

They had a vow renewal. Yeah, the year
before they split.

Oh, yeah. So they they actually were married
probably the longest.

True

Yeah, I don't think Whitney I mean, good luck
girl.
But we learned so much aboutWhitney, we learned that she is
considered in the Mormoncommunity - she and her husband
of this vow renewal - are alittle bit on the risqu side,
because they met when she waspretty young.

Well and married. They're both married

Right, they worked at the same place, and I
guess he was actually an elderor something in LDS.

Oh, I didn't know that.

And so yeah, so he lost his position in the
church.

Whoa, yeah.

So yeah...

*interjects* And his wife and kids.

Well, yeah, she lost her husband. So yeah.
But you know it. Yeah. So that'slike, that's interesting, and
then we learned very early onthat, you know, she has an
interesting hobby.

Pole dancing.

Yeah, she has a pole in her house.

Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, she can work it.

She can and then and for all those haters
out there. We all know that ifwe could work that pole, like...

*interjects* She does...

....Whitney we would be doing it, and we'd be
doing it on camera.

Yeah. I mean, she's got some abs. I
mean, I'd be flaunting them too.

So yeah. So that was, yeah, it was very
abrupt, and it was a little odd,and one of the things I've heard
is that Bravo had a productioncompany.

Mhmm.

That they used for this. Because they teased it
at Bravo con, like...

*interjects* In October.

Yeah. So basically, that first production
company got fired for differentreasons.

Oh Okay.

So I think some of the footage that we see,
basically, it was from thatfirst production company.

Oh...

So that's why it seems to jump a lot
chronologically.

Yeah, yeah.

In terms of what you're seeing so I'm not
sure why they decided to editthis way, but you know, it's,
it's, it's okay. It's, it givesus a good kind of introduction
to Whitney., and honestly, she'sreally pleasant. She's really
nice. I like her. She too, isvery genuine.

Yeah.

...as a person.

I really like her. I think we'll get into
it late, but I think she'sdefinitely my favorite of this
cast.

Yeah.

So far.

She's, yeah she's really good and again, I
just think that she again knowsherself. I mean, I think one of
the things that she is like, sherealizes that she's not the most
perfect person in the cast, andshe's okay with that. She's not
trying to strive for the sameperfection that Heather is

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trying to...

*interjects* or like...or Lisa, which we will
get into later too.

Yeah. So yeah, so I mean, enough, and
hopefully, we'll be seeing a lotmore of Whitney as the episodes
proceed.

Yeah.

And we'll get to know a little bit more about
her. But this was a good kindof, she's just kind of like, I
don't know, she's a girl's girl.
She's like, really sweet, andreally nice, and, you know, she
speaks her mind. She's not gonnalet anybody necessarily roll
over her.

Yeah, I think Heather and Whitney are
nice, like, you know, breath offresh air for the show.

They are not the drama.

No, not at all.

They may cause some, I guess, I mean, they,
they're like I said, they'revery, um, they're not gonna let
themselves be steamrolled. So Ithink they, they could create
some drama.

Yeah, I know. Watch that, like bite me
in the butt later this season.

It could...
But I really think right now, atleast I don't know. I would want
them as my friends. I'm not sureif I would want Jen Shah as my
friend.

Yeah, I don't...No.

It's just it's too much work.

Yeah, again, we'll get into that later
in this episode because, youknow, shit goes down. But before
we get into that, we see we wereintroduced to Meredith, I think,
yeah, another favorite as well.

And this is the thing with this season of
Salt Lake City which chaps me.
They have two housewives thatlook very much alike.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think that I'm gonna have
trouble telling which one iswhich, and I know they're not
identical, but their body typesare pretty much the same, their
hair is the same, the shape oftheir faces are the same, and I
get that they're two differentpeople, and as we meet them, we
realize they may look alike, butit's like, well, there's the one

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good twin and the evil twin.

Yeah, yeah.

So and we'll get more. We'll get more on to
that. But yeah, no, Meredith isactually a very, she seems
really nice.

Yeah, I don't she does.... Definitely
doesn't like fit the housewifemold, per se. I mean, looks wise
for sure. But like, she seemsvery like, um, you know, laid
back I guess, is the word I'mtrying to go for but like, you
know, like, understated.

Yeah, and you can and, and we also meet her
husband and her son who is takenand did we meet-?. She has a
daughter as well.

Yeah, she has. I think she has three kids
in total. But we've only metBrooks

Right.

So far.

And so yeah, so she has her son Brooks is
basically taking the semesteroff.

Yeah.

To be with his mom.

And be on the housewives.

Exactly. I mean, my thing is, is like,
Brooks, honey, we know whatyou're on for... you're- I mean,
you may you know, being withyour mom may be a little bit of
a perk, but it's pretty clearthat this boy has designs on
what this is going to do for hiscareer.

Yeah, and for his fashion brand.

Yeah. There's lots of people that come on the
housewives or like mostlyhousewives themselves, who are
all about self promotion. Ithink this is like the first kid
that I've seen that comes onthat's like, I mean, aside from
Gia from New Jersey, that it butI think she was pushed more into
this. I think he was pushing thedoor in all on his own.

Yeah.
Because I mean, like from fromthe gate, like, he's just coming
out with these quippy remarksabout like, his family and
things, and so you're like,you're like, okay, yeah, he's
supposed to...he's trying to bethe comedic relief, the
relatable guy that we all like.

Yeah. And it's interesting, because they're
Salt Lake City transplants.
Right?

Yeah, they're from the Chicago.

Yeah, they're from Chicago, and she has this
fabulous like celebrity jewelryand clothing store.

Yeah. Which you had to tell me like why that
had to be in Park City. But...

Yeah, I mean, I was trying to explain that
Park City is you know, aplayground for the rich and
famous and it's close toSundance, and that's where all
the big Sundance events happen.
But she she's also actually goodat I mean, as much as like I
said, we're giving her I guessher son a hard time. She's
pretty good at self promotion,too, because she's, she's right
out the gate. She's like, so andso, and so and so....

Rhianna like, Charleze...

*interjects* Charleze Theron

Theron.
Yeah.

They're all my clients.

Yeah. No, no big deal Scarlett Johansen
just you know, people normaleveryday people just like you.

Right. And so yeah, and you know, if you look
up her jewelry line, there'slike, uh yeah, that's way out of
normal people's price range.
So....

Gosh, how much? Do you remember?

I think there was like one thing on there was
like $14,000, which is anecklace

Thats like a casual purchase.

Yeah, exactly.
It's a browsing purchase.

Yeah, I you know, just feeling impulsive
today.

Yeah. I like a pretty bobble.

Yeah, right.

Anyway, so you meet her. We meet her husband,
who's a little gruff, honestly.

Yeah, they don't seem to match at all.

They don't they don't seem very and they've
been married for like 20 years?

Yeah. 20-23 years, something like that.

And yeah, they just don't seem like a happy
couple. They go on this verystrange drive to go on to a
hike.

It was a very contrived walk. I- itjust
felt very weird. I mean, maybethat's because they're new to
like, reality TV and stuff, butit was just like, let's go on
this 15 minute walk, which it'slike, why?

They could have walked on in their
neighborhood.

Yeah, I have no clue, and the
conversations they had. I just,I don't know because they saw
that, like, animal print thatlooked to be like a cougar or
something. And then...

*interjects* It was probably a dog.

No--oh, yeah. I guess... I don't know
that's a pretty big dog if thatwas a dog...

But they thought that it was a bear
right?

Yeah, yeah, they thought it was a bear, and
how that the dad was like, Oh,well, wouldn't that have been
funny Brooks if you got likemauled by the bear, because then
you get so many more followers.
It's like, why is that where hishead went immediately? Like,
that's messed up.

But it was interesting that he had that
insight into his son. Like hiswhole thing was based on
followers.

Yeah. Yeah.
That's a good point. I didn'tthink about that.

That was his first instinct like, yeah, let's
get you mauled, so we can like,up your your Insta cred.

Yeah, and I feel like Brooks was kind of
into it, except that he waslike, "well, I don't want to
risk my life." But he was aboutgetting more followers.

Exactly. So that was that was bizarre. But
as we said, it just looks liketheir... their relationship is
in a maybe a rocky place. Idon't know if it's just because
of the distance...

Yeah.

...or what's going on. But then you know, you
later you kind of see themtrying to like make up for like,
not being around. And so he doesthis weird thing.

Yeah, the floral arrangement. That was so
strange.

And I mean, it was just it was, it was it was a
very strange floral arrangement.
And it wasn't like, you know,these people supposedly have
money, you would think that theycould find actual florist who
could do whatever it is theyneeded done. But no, he like,
gives it to Brooks to do and Idon't know if that's just so you
could, you know, have more shoottime like they'd have more
cameras on him.

Maybe, that's a good point. Because
like that floral arrangementjust look like a rose threw up
in that poor living room. Itjust looked it went past
romantic or kind. It was justlike, oh, my God, like, did a
tornado pass through here.

It wasn't like, you know, sometimes when
you see things, I mean, we'veseen lots of people. I mean, oh
God, Tamra and Eddie, we've seenpeople on other reality like,
Bravo, kind of housewives showwhere they do the whole I'm
gonna scatter rose petalseverywhere and like have candles
and do everything that's quoteunquote kitschy romantic, but it

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is on point. This is just likesomeone just came in with threw
like, literally like, like ifsomeone had like, opened up a
pillow with feathers, and thefeathers went all over the
floor. That's what the rosepetals looked like.

And then like was like, hmmm, this mess
of petals is missing something.
Oh, right. A rose coffin,because that's just really what
all the girls want these days.

Yeah, it's just weird. I didn't. I didn't
really understand. It was likethe random walk. Like the entire
conversation around that wasjust like, okay, I'm just saying
stuff to say stuff.

Yeah. And then like, even the FaceTime
call after the wholearrangement, she was like, "oh,
well, thanks," and he was like,"okay, cool." It was just like,
I don't know, it was a weirdstart to Meredith's arc, I
guess.

Yeah. And again, I'm with you. Like, if
anyone like that I feel really,really close to and is trying to
do something romantic for me,and in that same breath says
something about a coffin.

Well, yeah, I mean, he didn't say it was a
coffin. It just, it LOOKED likea coffin.

I know but that was just like, ugh, it's
just like, a weird place to takethat in the romantic realm.

Yeah, I mean, maybe like, you know, a
like 3D Rose heart or something.
But like this, like thisrectangle, rectangular thing. It
made no sense.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, What are
you trying to harken back to forthat?

Yeah definitelly a little ominous?

A little weird.

Like, are you trying to tell us something?

So then the next person we meet is the evil
twin.

Yes. Oh, gosh, Lisa.

And I know are probably kind of like maybe you
would like Lisa but...

*interjects* So sorry for you Lisa stans..

...Not our cup of tea.

Yeah, we're not gonna hold back here. I am
not a fan of Lisa in theslightest.

Yeah, I mean, she is super pretentious.

Yeah, "I'm Miss New York. I know fashion. I
know everything, and I'm thebest Mormon ever."

Like literally she like says she's from New
York, but when she like reallystarts to talk and she gets into
it. She sounds like she's fromJersey. Yes. It's like
*immitates Jersey accent* isn'tit? It's like what?

She's like, she wants to be New York.

Yeah, I mean, she may be from New York. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna poopooher provenance but I just think
she's not she's not from theUpper East Side of New York.

That is for sure. She would not fit in with
the New York housewives.

Yeah, I'm not sure that that would go far. I
think her Ramona would have hercast out immediately. So anyway,
so we meet her and one of thethings that kind of stands out
maybe this is something thatclouds our judgment, but we like
get a look at her house, and Ihave to say all of our houses
are pretty cute.

They're cute. I mean, I think I'm just
biased because of New York andBeverly Hills who have like
McMega mansions...

*interjects* Aside from Jen who has the giant
chalet

Ok Yeah Jen's chalet, but like I'm just
used to like you know, KyleRichard's house, which is like
an estate, and then you look atthese cute little Salt Lake City
houses, which are very big. Youknow, I mean they're bigger than
our house.

Yeah, but then you go into her house and I, you
know, she is I guess she likesto say she's very minimalist and
mono...monochrome.

Oh Yeah, but then like she she's like
"Miss New York," "Miss style"and then we go into her house at

6 (30:19):
45am and she's waking up her sons and you see these hideous
big black posters, I guess youcould say, with like "grit" and
"hustle." It's just like, why?

Like, yeah, it's like normally you would see
like the kids names like, abovetheir beds. But there are these
giant letters that I guess aresupposed to instill them with
these qualities.

Yeah, it just it was very off putting and
they weren't even hanging. Theywere like sitting on the bed.

And the colors were just...the colors of the
kid's room was like they weresad and drab.

Yeah. It just lacked personality, and I
know this is like, the mostminiscule things to pick on a
person but it really stood outto me and it really kind of
grinded my gears.

I know my thing is like, what is a seven
year old hustling for?

Yeah, like Cheerios? Like, I don't know.

And what have they overcome that they need
grit for? I'm like they live ina beautiful Salt Lake City you
know it probably suburb? Yeah,like they live somewhere in a
really beautiful house in a niceneighborhood.

They get whatever they want.

Yeah. So I think that's I mean, they
clearly get whatever they want.
Yeah.

But I guess not their own decorations. But
then we also learn a bit aboutLisa's businesses like she's a
luxury...

*interjects Event planner.

Event planner, but I think like a
media firm or something.

Right.

And then like, she also owns like, a
laundry list of tequilas.

Right.

And vodka.

She's doing

She's starting vodka. Yeah.

So but she's Yeah, she's...

She owns like four tequila brands.

She's trying to be the Bethenny of Salt Lake
City, and actually, I guessshe's doing okay.

Yeah, yeah, I did look up her tequila VIDA,
and it actually did win someawards. So I guess that's
something.

Yeah, I'm starting to think everybody has
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Oh, gosh.

Yeah, so that's kind of interesting. I
mean, that she does this and shelikes to say she's very proud
that she is... she is Mormon.

Yeah.

She is LDS and, you know, they don't drink
and she doesn't drink or doesshe drink?

I'm really confused about that. Because she
says she doesn't drink but she'slike, our house is always
stocked. Why would it need to bestocked if you aren't drinking?

Yeah, it's it's it is kind of a strange
thing. So maybe we'll learn moreas the episodes go by we can....

Yeah.

....We'll have to stalk and see if there's
actually any drinking going on.

Because like, Lisa seems to be a ball of
hypocrisy, but we'll see thatlater as well.

Yeah, I hope I I'm interested. I think she's
literally going to be one of thebig pot stirers this....

*interjects* Yeah, I think she's she's gonna
be the villain.

Yeah. Well, she'll be one of them. I'm sure.

Yeah, that's true.

I don't think this they're going to be limited
to one villain.

No, not at all.

So, and then we're saving the best for last.

Mary Cosby.

Mary Cosby.

Wow, what a woman.

Yeah, we learned a lot about Mary really
early.

Yeah, more than I think anyone ever wanted
to know about anyone else.

So she again is not LDS she is Pentecostal.

Yeah.

And something interesting, which I did not
understand could be done. Shewas willed her husband in...in
her grandma's will because herhusband was her grandma's second
husband. So she

*interjects* Her grandma's

Yeah, her grandma. Yeah, her Grandma's
second husband, and so now sheis married to her step grandpa.

Yeah, that's just so messed up on so
many levels, and like, I'm surewe don't have to get into that
because we're all having thesame feeling of like, what the
fuck? But yeah...

Step grandpa.

Step. Yeah, I don't I mean, they have a son
together, which is just a wholenother thing to unpack.

Right, and we and we find out a lot about like
that. I mean, she is...I willhave to say something. Mary does
not hold back.

No.

She is like she is honestly a bit of an open
book. My understanding now isshe's trying to close that book
a lot. Like she's, uh, you know,trying to sue people so they
don't talk about her life. She'slike...

*interjects* Blocking people on Instagram....

Yeah.

...and like pages.

It's really odd that you would like come out
the gate being so gangster, "I'mopen I talk about everything,"
and then now that the show'saired, she's kind of like, stay
out of my business.

Yeah, I mean, you sign up for The Real
Housewives like none of thesewomen are getting spared
scrutiny. You know. So like shesigned up for this.

Exactly, no, no, Mary has like, she has this
amazing set of interesting andamazing sense of fashion. She
actually has the coin to be ableto go out and buy stuff. She has
a lot of vintage stuff, and sheis always kind of dressed to the

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nines, and basically, she isliving for it, and yes, of
having a giant, you know, just agiant wardrobe and a giant life,
I think, and so that was that'skind of interesting. She is the
first lady of her church becauseshe thinks pastor sounds too
old.

Yeah. Yeah.
Because somehow First Ladyreally just has a better ring to
it.

Yeah, she's really good about needing to
like, label things.

Yeah. I think that's how she like,
compartmentalizes her world.

That's true.
So I think I mean, so again, wetalked about the fact that she
has this very unique style, and

Which I think is kind of crazy. Because
like, how is this church gettingher enough money to get like,
vintage Prada, and Versace, andGucci? Which I mean, that's a
lot of money. That's not...

*interjects* Oh come on we should know. We
have Joel Osteen down the road.

Yeah, but I mean, is Mary the First Lady,
really Joel Osteen level?

Well, apparently you don't need much.
I mean, maybe if we don't do wego into the tequila thing, maybe
we'll find Jesus.

Yeah.
Praise Jesus. Welcome to ourpodcast...

Because we do see a little clip of her in the
church.

Yeah, she's like yelling, moving, and
shaking.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think that's how she
keeps fit.

Yeah, that does seem like a workout to be a
pastor or First Lady.

So yeah, so that's kind of the intro that
Bravo has given us to this newseason of ladies. And then we
kind of...it kind of moves onfrom the you know, I'm gonna be
introducing you to them toactually starting to see them in
the wild together...

Interact.

So yeah, so cuz you're kind of fig- trying
to figure out how do these allthese women like really connect?

Mesh? Yeah.
Because it just seem likethey're from different social
circles, really. Besides Lisaand Meredith - the twins. They
all just seem like, yeah, amishmash,

But they seem to know each other, like, aren't
two of them cousins? LikeWhitney is Somebodies cousin.

Yeah.
Whitney and Heather are cousins.

I guess that happens a lot in LDS.

Yeah I guess, I mean yeah, the Mormon
Church is pretty tight knit.

I mean, and they are royalty...they're both
royalty.

That's true. That's true.

So they probably had to I mean, they
probably I mean,royalty...that's like the...it's
like the British they have tomarry their cousins. No, I'm
just saying it's just the samekind of sucession kind of thing.
You can't marry just anybody.

No, that's true.

So I wasn't trying to make any untoward.

To our Mormon followers out there.

Yeah. No, I'm just saying I was comparing you
to the British monarchy. It'snot a bad thing unless you don't
like them.

Yeah. So first, kind of the first matchup
you could say is Lisa versusHeather. Where they're both...
well, I guess, Lisa's not fromUtah, but she moved here for
college. But Heather claimedthat she knew Lisa from BYU,
like 20 years ago, and Jenbrought it up at a conversation

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at Meredith's house, and Lisawas like, "yeah, I never met
that girl. I don't really knowher," and then proceeded to say,
"oh, well, actually, you know,she you know, like she flashed
her boobs."

And she was a good time, girl.

She's a good time, girl "Honor Code
What?" And it is like, that'slike, so rude.

Yeah, I know.
Because the thing is, is likeBYU does not play.

No.

Like, literally, I had a friend who
was working for BYU. I don'tthink they were actually
teaching, and my friend who isfrom actually also from New
York, or New Jersey, New York.
They went jogging one day, likeliterally, and they had like a
cap sleeve top, and like runningshorts and they got called into

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the president of BYU's officeand they were handed like
literally basketball lengthshorts, and three quarters
sleeve shirt and said that likeif they were caught out again,
and like she was like, "whoreported them" and like they
have like this rule where youit's like on your honor to

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report people if they break therules.

*interjects* That's some Gilead type stuff...

But my thing... Yeah, but my thing is,
is that I just I, I believe Ibelieve Heather like if that
actually happened, she wouldhave been out of there. It
wouldn't have been Honor Codewhat? It would have been Heather
got kicked out of school, what

Do you think they can like retro
actively take away her...

*interjects* Degree?

Diploma?
Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, I think Heather's like very
adamant that that did not happenand so it was...

*interjects* She wishes it happened.

Yeah. Cuz like that's the other thing about
Lisa which we didn't...I thinkwe skipped over but like she's a
convert so she's not I meanshe's not Mormon royalty like
Heather.

No, she was Jewish upbringing and then
wasn't really religious

And then somebody knocked on their door.
I mean, you know the Mormonswhen they come the two guys come
in their little like, you knowElder Price shows up

Im sure that's an accurate depiction,
the Book of Mormon. *sing songvoice * "Hello, my name is Elder
Price."

But like and she just said her mom said I've
been waiting for you like, Imean No offense, but like, I'm
sure that Jehovah Witnesses arelike jonesing for that to happen
to them do I'm like, like,

I know, so was it just a roll of the dice?
She could have been a JehovaWitness.

I think so like, literally, I don't know.
But you know, you know, howeveryou come to God, that's, that's,

That's your journey.

That's your journey. It just sounded a
little funny that like

*interjects* Just the first person that
knocked up my door.

Its like, I'm not sure that I've ever waited
for any, like, major thing in mylife to just knock on my door.
But maybe that's how I shouldchange my life.

Yeah, maybe we're doing it wrong.

Anyway, anywho back to them. Because literally,
it was a thing. Like that's likea really, especially in that
community, and like, honestly,Heather does have a lot of hang
ups about the fact that she isnot. I mean, she feels like in
some ways she failed, but she'skind of happy. I think that

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she's divorced, but she stillfeels like that's a weakness and
a failure. So the fact thatsomeone has... she is she does I
think strive for perfection, Ithink that's still very much
ingrained in her so that someonewould besmirch her like,
reputation, I think is just...

*interjects* And just like saying you don't
know someone when they said thatthey knew you is just that is
like a gut punch.

I know. It's reminiscent of Nene and Phaedra.
I mean, I don't know if all ofyou remember, but back in the
day, Nene was like "Phaedra who?
I didn't know her when we liveddown there in Athens," I think
is where they're from. Anyway,she was like, I didn't know her,
and it was just it was a thing,and so because apparently, and
I'm not sure how you wouldn't Idon't care if like, you know

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Phaedra Parks is Phaedra Parks,you were going to know her when
she was 16 or whatever, and likeNene is the same way. So
literally, this is the samedynamic like literally, they
would have known each other. BYUis not this giant place.

Yeah.

And they have you segregated most of the time.
So the girls are going to knowthe girls. So I dont-

*interjects* Especially know Mormon royalty.

Exactly, like Heather would have been up
there.

Yeah. But yeah, so we have that Lisa v.
Heather. Definitely some badblood between them. Then we have
a relationship between Meredithand Jen. I guess they met in New
York, like two years prior tothe show, and started developing
a relationship, and so thatfirst episode, in this first
episode, it was Meredith'sbirthday week, and Jen decided

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to be Jen and decide this overthe like a hostess over the top
party inspired by the Met Gala.

Which I think is hilarious. So that for two
people like again, going backto. So cuz I remember, Heather,
like was talking to Jen aboutit, and basically, as Jen was
describing the party, Heatherwas very nicely trying to say to
her, that doesn't sound like hervibe. Like I don't think she
would like something small andmore intimate...

*interjects* And like refined. You know,
whereas like, Heather was like,"oh, this would have been a
perfect party for me."

Yeah, exactly.
Like, what are you gonna do formy party?

Exactly

I want this party.

Yeah. I don't know if this is Meredith's
cup of tea.

Yeah. But again, so again, it was clear
that Jen Shah and as she says,you know, everybody wants a Jen
Shah party. Like I was like, I'mnot sure that everyone does want
a Jen Shah party.

Yeah, because....

*interjects* Except for Jen Shah.

Yeah. Yeah.
Especially I guess. Everybodymight want a Jen Shah a party
but definitely don't don't wanta Jen Shah party as their
birthday party. Because at theend of the day, a Jen Shah
party... a Jen Shah birthdayparty is about Jen Shah. Because
like even one of the guests whocame to the birthday party
thought it was Jen's birthday,

That's because Jen's name was on the entrance

That flower wall Oh my gosh. Like she
couldn't make it any moreobvious that she did not...she
only did this for herself, andit just happened to be that
Meredith' Birthday was that day.

I know. And here's the thing. I mean, I've
just got to mention this too.
Like she has a very large home,which is the-

*interjects* The Ski Chalet .

Ski Chalet.
It's a very large home, andsomehow to have this amazing
party for her friend, she had tosomehow sneak it under her
husband's nose. So he's out oftown and she gets all the
furniture removed.

Yeah!

And she has a giant like, like a awning built
with stepping and repeat, thered carpet the whole thing and
like still like pretending likehe's not gonna notice like it's
like some 16 year old likehaving a party when your parents
go out of town....

Yeah.

...only having it with a gajillion dollars.

That, and it's like obviously she's
recording so like I'm assumingCoach Shah knows about this
party now.

I'm sure coach Shah knows but everything she
does i'm not i'm not sure thathe Sharrieff seems like he's on
the ball.

Yeah, that's true.

So But anyway, yes. Back to the flower wall.
Like the flower wall look likethe flower wall that the salon
where we went and had your hairdone for prom.

Yeah.

It was a prom kind of-- it was a salon kind of
flower wall.

And and then of course it just said Jen,
like what was it? Ski chalet? orJen's chalet or Shah chalet?

Yeah.

And like...

*interjects* And then people said Happy
Birthday to her. Yes, we'relike, happy birthday?

One of the guests I think brought a gift
for Jen, and she was like, "no,it's for Meredith," and the
guest was so, like confused...

Like, I wonder what that invitation look like,
like didn't even mentionMeredith's name?

It probably didn't even have Meredith's name
on it...

Soire at the Shah Chalet.

And like, in like, point five font.
*laughs* "Meredith's BirthdayParty."

I know, because, aside from the core
group, it seemed like no oneknew this....

Nobody knew. Did anyone I mean, did
anyone know? Oh, I guess no,Meredith sent Jen an invite
list.

Right.

So like, I guess Meredith did have some
people there. But...

Yeah, that's true. Which brings us to the
next, and the crux of what we'vewe've seen, like some future
things like in terms of whatmight be happening in previews
of what's happening throughoutthe season, and it looks like
we're getting...it's the beef isstarting here.

Yeah, episode one, and like, this is
some beef that happened offscreen that we didn't even see.
It's Mary Cosby versus Jen Shah.
Which, when you rewind, we seethat they're actually we're
pretty good friends. So likethey were...the first kind of
clip we see with them is thatMary is at Jen's house, sharing
a shoes, which I don't knowabout you, but like if I'm

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sharing my like, if I hadLouboutins, like, I'm not like
letting anyone's foot in myLouboutins.

Yeah, she seems fairly... I mean, they
seem really close.

Yeah, but then....

Then we see that there's a rift.

Yeah.

It's very, very clear, and like, basically,
this is one of those things thatlike, take to the grave. I'm
never forgiving you. You're deadto me.

So you'd think like something bad
happened.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sitting there going. I mean,
did she she tried to sleep withSharrieff because she's tired of
grandpa? Or like...

Yeah.
*laughs*

I mean, something really major did she
like totally like, you know,diss my child? Did you know,
Pentecostal church like, start,you know, protesting outside the
Shah Chalet? No, not really.

She...Mary Cosby said that - not Jen - she
just said at a lunch or no adinner.

Yeah, it was like it was a gathering of the
girls.

But not not our... the girls that we know
just like some other girls.

Yeah.

But like, "oh, it smells like hospital in
here."

And this was after. After Jen had come from
her grandmothers? No, no. herAunt's....

Bedside at the hospital. She just got a
double amputation.

Right. And she came...she left the double
amputation patient. I mean, thiswoman who's so dedicated to her
aunt.

Her aunt, who she considers a mother
figure. Who raised her.

She left the bed side of the double amputee
on the day it happened.....

Yeah.

...By the way.
Not just like it had happened,but the day it happened.

"I need to go get a drink with the girls."

Right. And Mary says "it smells LIKE
hospital."

It not anybody in specific, "it."

And apparently I mean this is a little bit over
the top too because Mary hasthis visceral problem with
things that smell like hospitalbecause she had all of her odor
glands removed.

Like I know we probably should not be
laughing at this, but it's justlike she has she claims to have
PTSD. Does she say PTSD?

She said she has PTSD.

Yeah, she had PTSD and you know PTSD is a
serious thing, but like what?
Because she got her odor glandsremoved? Which, from my
knowledge, I can't even imaginelike what reason besides
cosmetic, do you need your odorgland removed?

Well, and then she was just like, well, I went
to the hospital when I had myson, I just one push and it was
done. Like it sounds like shewent to a drive thru hospital,
because she didn't spend a lotof time there. But it was the
30-20 days?

30 days.

30 days.

And she died....She almost died twice.

On the table.

On the table. On the dying table.

On the dying table.

We thought it said dining table at first
*laughing*

I'm like...

*laughing* Where are they performing this
surgery?

I guess in Utah, they have a dying table.
As opposed to I don't know, theSurgical table? Yeah. I mean,
that's gonna make...have me havePTSD because if I have to have
surgery, I'm just gonna look atit as the dying table.

Oh gosh, but yeah, she has this visceral.
Like, I love her examples of,oh, I'll never go to the
hospital. Even if I have to goget a nose job. Why is that your
first thought of like, why youwould need to go to the
hospital?

No heart attack. No stroke,

A broken arm. An amputation.

Exactly. But anyway, so back to the you know,
offense. So literally, she saidthis, and then it was like, and
then she's like, "she came aftermy family," and like, it's not
just me. She came after myfamily.

And like this was disrespected, direct
dig, and, like, stab me in theback, and this is Jen, by the
way, and it's just like, I- thatmakes it feels so
disproportionate, what Marysaid... she didn't even say to
Jen, she said it to a friend ofJen's, who then told Jen about
it. Which for sure. Is it thenicest thing to say "it smells

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like hospital in here?" No. Uh,but like, is it something that
ends a good seemingly goodfriendship? A foot in Louboutin
friendship? I don't know. Idon't think so.

Because my thing is, like, I would I mean,
if I mean, they seem reallytight, I would have called and
said, you know, to my friend,"hey, did you say I smelled like
hospital?" Because then I mightbe a little bit, you know,
offended and then you might say"no, I said it smelled like
hospital and you know, explainyour weird odor gland removal,

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and why you have an issue withit," and then you can apologize
because you can say, "if thatoffended you, that's whatever,"
and you know, we're done. Yeah,we we are done. So my thing is,
this is my this is gonna be myone like, my beef with with with
this whole like, and I don'tknow how far this is going to
go. But from previews, it seemsto go far. It is deep. The wound

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is deep. The hospital smell isdeep. Um, but basically, I don't
I my thing is is like, it almosseems like it is so contr
ved. Like, we have to have a beelike a giant beef.

Yeah.

Like they're, like so many things there could
be beefs about, but the commentit smelled like hospital seems
like yeah, I mean, I mean, I'msure as like, anyone who's
watched housewives. I mean,there's so much subtext in their
life. You're like, Man, you'remad about that? There's like

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some other stuff that'shappening, you know, and...

*interjects* Yeah, cuz that's, like such a
visceral reaction that Jen had,like, she stormed out of the
main ballroom into her own room,which is where the episode kind
of leaves off. But it's like,that is a bit, like, I mean,
that's a dramatic response tolike, "it smells like hospital."

Yeah, I mean, I mean, not to go back to other
beefs. But like, you know, likethe one beef I remember in
Housewives history, which wasabout somebody saying something
about someone was like, whenPorsha kind of said that Kandi
wanted to rape somebody and theyhad drugged people and done
stuff, and so like, yeah, ifsomeone's telling, like the

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general public that my husbandand I are like, drugging and you
know, sexually assaultingpeople, you know, when you have
a family that is like, that islike bad, but that is not "you
smell like hospital," I'm sorry,not the same!

Absolutely not. Yeah, I just doesn't make
sense. I mean, Mary's definitelynot in the right. 100%. But
like, Jen just seems like she'soverreacting.

Yeah, it's like everything with her. It's
really over the top.

And like, Mary definitely didn't need to
add that comment of like, "oh,well, she's getting a double
amputation when she's 50 orsomething, 60, like, clearly she
doesn't have a good diet and sheshould just drink water."

So yeah, I mean, literally, the thing is,
is that I'm like, I mean, itjust it goes like it's like a
firecracker like literally, theyend up fighting in a room.
There's like all kinds of thingssaid, and yeah, in the end, you
know, it was basically like,"oh, she got her legs amputated?

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Maybe she should drank somewater."

Yeah, I didn't realize water had such a
healing effect.

I know, I, I assume that you know
Jen's...Jen's aunt was adiabetic.

Yeah.

And I do understand that there's like
some water issues there but Idon't think that's like the full
story. I don't think we shouldbe telling people that if you
know you might get your legsamputated that drinking water
may just save you.

I mean it.
Yeah. Well, maybe we're thinkingthe wrong water. Can Mary drop
her water source?

Yeah, exactly.
Because obviously it is likeit's something close to Lourdes
apparently.

Yeah. Its some like holy water. I mean,
like those same people who arelike, "oh, what's your skincare
routine?" and it's like, "oh, Idrink water." It's like, well,
okay. So does everybody else.

Bernadette Soubirous water.

Like, okay...

Thank you, Holy Virgin Mother for your
water.

Yeah.

And my beautiful skin, and my, like,
not losing my two legs.

I think like, that's genetics at the end
of the day.

At the end of the day, yeah, there's a lot mor
going on. But anyway, so thatind of wraps up the first e

Yeah, Salt.
Salt Lake City.

Yeah, and we are looking forward to taking
this journey.

With ya'll, yeah.

Maybe we'll find out more about the water.

Sara Van Tueren (56:36):
Yeah, hopefully

Maybe we'll find out why. You know,
inquiring minds want to know,why did Mary have her like odor
glands taken away?

Yeah, and why did it take 30 days.

Exactly, and why doesn't you know, why
doesn't Lisa's husband pay for aprofessional florist?

There's, you know, Meredith's husband
you're already getting themconfused

I hate it.
They look alike. Like theyshould never get two people wh
look alike

At least they don't have the same like,
starting letter. You know, itwas like Lisa and Luanne or
something, you know.

Yeah.

But yeah no, I'm looking forward to this
journey.

Maybe we'll find out why Lisa

*interjects Has a stic

No, no well she does have that. I really
ant to know why her children ned grit and

True. Well thank you so much for listenin
this far into our ramblings, iyou wouldn't mind drop a like
r review in the podcast ap, wherever you're listening
o this, and I guess we'll see yu on the next on

Alright, see ya!

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