Politics, Perspectives, & Progress - A Path Forward | Entrepreneur - Artist - Visionary, Ruben Rojas - Meyerside Chats: Government, Policy & Civility

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Ruben Rojas (00:00):
What I want is to see humans be better to each

(00:03):
other, to be kinder, to bekinder to themselves, and to be
open to honest conversation.
Like, we don't have to agreewith each other, but we do need
to accept each other.
we all think we need to be thepresident.
We all think we need to be anElon Musk or Joe Rogan or
something to create that change,but like, what can you do in
your family and your friends andin your community to let that

(00:25):
ripple out?
in the name of inclusivity,we're creating more divisiveness
across the world.
We're adding more labels.
We're adding more definitions toeverything going on, on what it
means to be a human.

Evan Meyer (00:40):
All right.
We are alive.
How are you, buddy?

I'm good.
What is today?
Well, it's Thursday.
Beautiful Thursday, I'm talkingto you.
I mean, it

Evan Meyer (00:52):
It's the best.
It's that it's something specialabout Thursday.
I don't know what it is.
It's got a certain feel.
You feel Thursday?

Honestly,

Evan Meyer (01:04):
Anyway.

that's actually a good moment.
No, seriously, think about it.
people dread Mondays and theylive for the weekend.
And they live for Friday.
then you kind of get to Tuesdayand you're like, Oh, it's past
Monday, Wednesday.
Ooh, hump day.
Thursday.
Oh, there's something aboutThursday.
It feels like the freest of thedays because it's not the

(01:26):
weekend yet and you're past theschlag of the first.
Couple of days of the week.
So I kind of feel that energy,but at the same time, we've
always, we're self employed.
So like Monday through Sunday iskind of all the same.
We're dads.
We got our kids all the time.
Like everything revolves aroundthe same thing.
So like all days are really thesame, but I do notice the energy

(01:47):
around Thursday in general seemsto be a little lighter all
around.
I wonder if

Evan Meyer (01:52):
Yeah, I think so.
And there's opportunity therefor Thursday.
Improvement in the world'sexperience of Thursdays.

Yeah.

Evan Meyer (02:01):
We should do something about that.
Maybe make a nonprofit

Making a

Evan Meyer (02:05):
or something every Thursday.
Well, Hey, let me introduce you.

Thursday is the day of beauty.

Evan Meyer (02:14):
There it is.
Okay.
I love that.
Well, I'm going to, I'm going togive an introduction to you now.
That I think you're going tolike.
Are you ready?
Are you ready for a goodintroduction?

We'll do it.

Evan Meyer (02:26):
Ruben Rojas is a visionary artist and advocate
for positive change through hismission, Live Through Love.
This lifestyle brand inspirescreativity and optimism and is
channeled into various mediums,such as street wear, art prints,
and public art, includingsculptures and murals in cities
around the world.
And uniting communities withbeauty and hope.

(02:48):
His work empowers individuals todream big, live with possibility
and create lasting impact.
He collaborates with majorbrands like NFL, BMW, and Google
to promote social responsibilityand inspire innovation.
He's a sought after speaker andTed presenter and through his
podcast, he delves into how lovecan transform lives and
communities for the early partof his journey.

(03:10):
I personally had the pleasure ofworking with Ruben in building
and scaling the organization,beautify earth.
Until no unkempt wall remainswas our mission using murals to
end what we called ugly wallsyndrome on our streets and
communities and beautify earthcontinues to thrive today.
But today we're here to dig intosomething else.

(03:32):
Something a little different.
For Ruben and something a littledifferent for me in having Ruben
as a guest today different styleof guests and different style of
co for me and different style ofconversation for Ruben.
But throughout our friendship,we've had so many conversations
about the toxicity in politics.
And we've watched many of ourpeople we know, including

(03:53):
friends divorce their familiesfor their, for their politics.
It's been heartbreaking towatch.
And I know this resonatesthrough with Ruben because of
his, of how powerful his missionis and what he stands for and
what we've built together.
But today we're here to fix it.
So are you ready to fix it?

We'll do our best.

Evan Meyer (04:16):
We will do our best.
How was that intro?

You made me blush a little,

Evan Meyer (04:26):
I had a feeling you were going to, you were going to
enjoy it.
It's been a while since I'vesince I've gotten to introduce
you and You know, the world's ina very interesting place.
It's some ways it's very sad.
In some ways it's very exciting.
I don't know.
I don't think anyone knows wherethings are going to go, but we

(04:47):
do know that there is a lot of,there's a lot of toxicity and
we've seen this now for, foryears.
And.
You know, your art carries thistheme of love and positivity and
unity.
And I, just to kick things off,how do you feel knowing that
that's what you stand for?
What is the connection between,you know, these themes and, and,

(05:10):
and the political landscape?

you know, that's a good question.
I think about this all the timebecause politics are important,
right?
And having differating opinionsis important.
It's important for us to argue,to debate, to have opinion, to
conversate.
And if we start realizing thatwe're coming from this from our

(05:36):
own sets of values, from our ownprinciples, but what I'm seeing
right now is that a lot of it iscoming from fear and scarcity
and being right andinsignificance and not feeling
worthy or of importance.
And what if we just really lookat that through love?
So, you know, I have thismission to live through love, to

(05:57):
choose love, to look at theworld through the lens of love.
So if like we pull off the fearglasses, put on the love
glasses, what does that looklike?
What does it look like torespond versus react?
Can we take a moment?
What would it be like if I couldtake a beat and have a
conversation?
So what we see now is everythingis so extreme.

(06:17):
And it's, I'm right, wrong, youdon't align with me, GTF, right?
And I don't know what we can doabout it.
And at the end of the day, oneof the things that we're trying
to say, and we try to look atit, are we coming from that

(06:38):
space?
Where are we losing our values?
What is it that we're reallytrying to, to move forward?
And it's looking like it'smoney, it's looking like it's
greed, and it's looking like inthe name of inclusivity, we're
creating more divisivenessacross the world.
We're adding more labels.
We're adding more definitions toeverything going on, on what it

(06:59):
means to be a human.
And I think if we could simplifyit all back down to, like,
you're a human, I'm a human.
Let's talk about what youbelieve in.
Let's talk about what I believein.
And let's unpack thatconversation.
Instead of saying I'm dot, dot,dot, dot, dot, dot, dot zero
window to conversate if youdon't align with me, see you

(07:22):
later.

Evan Meyer (07:26):
Yeah, the common theme here is to be able to
communicate, you know, withpeople period.
I mean, it's like everyrelationship in your life
whether it's personal orbusiness or If you can't
communicate things don't getdone And I think that's what's
always bothered me about is likeall that all that this means is

(07:46):
that things Things that peoplewant are gonna take a lot longer
to get It's just not efficient,right?
Like from the, in the name ofefficiency, it doesn't, it
doesn't make any sense.
And, and, you know, I knowyou've been, you know, you have

(08:08):
quite an influence now andyou're a public figure and that
comes with a responsibility.
And what do you feel that, youknow, your audience, do they
expect you to take a stand onpolitical and social issues?
Do they what is, how do you, howdo you respond to maybe

(08:32):
inquiries that come in aboutthis?
Type of stuff on behalf ofyourself personally or your
brand.

So most of it is like deduce what you want to
deduce.
Ultimately, the mission is auniversal message for humanity.
Love, whether you're Republican,whether you're Democrat, whether
you're gay, straight, believe inGod, don't believe in God, we
know that there's this power oflove that is all around us, that

(09:07):
we ultimately all to get morelove or seek to give more love.
That's what we're here for.
And if we be the love you seek,that's something that I say, and
no one outright asks it.
I think a lot of people doassume and they do assume a side
because it is message of loveand it's okay because I want

(09:30):
them to use it for whatever theyneed to use it for.
I have zero political agendaaround the mission of Live
Through Love.
What I want to do is to seehumans be better to each other,
to be kinder, to be kinder tothemselves, and to be open to
honest conversation.
Like, we don't have to agreewith each other, but we do need

(09:51):
to accept each other.
And that's something that I saya lot.
And if we can find acceptance inthe lens of love, whether you
voted one way or the other,that's us moving in the right
direction.
think we all have differentviews, and it's about getting
clear on our views and gettingclear on the pros and cons of

(10:13):
everything going on and actuallystarting to make our own
decisions for ourselves insteadof Honestly, regurgitating
headlines and clickbait.

Evan Meyer (10:25):
Yeah.
Well, that's, that's surely aproblem for everyone.
The algorithms, the clickbait,the clickbait, the headlines,
reading very little of a thing.
I always say like, how manypeople have ever read the bill?
It's, which is funny becauseit's like, you'd want to, if you

(10:48):
were to have a, you know,understand any contract that you
would make with anybody, youwould, you know, Have to read
the contract, but you get theclickbait behind the contract,
but you don't actually read thecontract.
It's such a funny thing to thinkabout.
Right.

So, one thought should be, how do we make it
easier?
Another thought should be, ishow can I be more interested in
what I'm voting in to actuallygo unpack it and learn and
educate myself?
You know, we're both dad oftoddlers.
I have a baby on top of that.
Where am I going to find moretime not to run the business,

(11:28):
parent, spend time with my wife,life, and find a little R& R and
now I have to go research abill, right?
So that's just one example ofwhat is it, what is it about
politics that makes it moredifficult?
It's hard to sometimes get theinformation.
Yes, we could Google it all.
Chat GPT is actually Even moreimpressive now because you're

(11:49):
like, what does this bill mean?
Make me understand it as simpleas possible.
So we do have the opportunity,but do we really want to educate
ourselves?
Do we really want to go outthere or is it just like, yo,
I'm voting for president andthat's it, and I'm going to
leave everything else blank, youknow, and maybe that's the right

(12:11):
thing to do, I don't know, butalso every bit for every good
thing in it, there's a badthing, no matter which way you
cut.
There's a compromise.
There's an agreement.
There's a contract.
There's always winners andthere's always losers.
So who's winning the most or theleast and who's losing the most
or the least?
I don't know.
Right.
You get these commercials thattell you that these unions back

(12:34):
here, firefighters back this,and you're like, Ooh,
firefighters back it.
Oh, it must be great.
Teachers back this, right?
They start to like.
it for you to feel and fuzzy.
Oh, well, if the teachers arebehind it, of course, I'm gonna
vote for that.
And then you

Evan Meyer (12:51):
Right.

it like, holy cow, it's taking everything away from
the teachers.
How are they behind this?

Evan Meyer (12:57):
Yeah.

you know, I think that's also part of what makes
it interesting.
And what you get on the news isall the surface level.
It's the top thing.
It's really like The presidentwho's running for president and
ultimately is that the numberone thing that matters?
I mean, look at all ofgovernment, look at federal all
the way down to local, all theway to your city.

(13:18):
If you really want to createchange, don't just worry about
the federal, go to your state,what's happening in the state,
go to the city, what's happeningin the city, what don't you like
in your own backyard that hasnothing to do with the
president.
It has everything to do withyour councilman, right?
Who's in that?
You've been there.
We fought in those arenasbefore.

(13:39):
So start taking action locallyand start expanding from that
position, too.
I think I just slid

Evan Meyer (13:45):
Yeah,

from a bill to this, but we like to

Evan Meyer (13:50):
I tell, yeah, well, and just like, I tell people
when they don't understand stuffor they're just complaining
about politics, it's like, youknow, if you were to build a
business, you wouldn't just sellinternationally.
Out of on day one.

(14:11):
So like, if you're not involvedin a process, you have to start
getting involved and the way toget involved is at a local
level.
And that's very easy to do.
Neighborhood associations lovewhen people come to their
meetings and you get to have avoice there and you can work
with them to improve things andget letters written to council
or whatever, but there's real,that democracy is a beautiful

(14:34):
system and it works, it's notperfect, but it actually is.
And in smaller cities, when youhave to vote for people in city
council, like your vote is likea one to one important vote.
It's actually like, likemeaningful that everyone puts
their personal vote in.
And for things that you supportin local measures, or, I mean,

(14:56):
this stuff is stuff are thingsthat you can get involved in and
have impact in on day one.
But I guess it's not sexy,right?
Local politics, state politicsregional, county, state.
No one, people don't know whotheir county supervisors are or
that there's even a county levelof government.

(15:17):
Sometime they don't know that alot of people

what

Evan Meyer (15:19):
don't know that.

actually do, right?
People don't know, what's a citymanager?
What is this supervisor?
What is that supervisor?
And also, how many of thosepositions are actually
redundant?
Separate question, we couldleave that unanswered, but, you
know, it's, it's, what matters?

Evan Meyer (15:41):
You mean from an efficiency standpoint?

Yeah.

Evan Meyer (15:45):
I mean, you know, we could break down how to, to
improve.
And I think there's a lot tothat, and I think people in
government know that governmentneeds to be improved, too.
I mean, every system is evolvingand needs to be improved.
And, but, just to kind of bringit back to local for a second,
that happens because people getinvolved.

(16:11):
And without the voice of peoplewho care enough, and the people
who care enough, for one reasonor another, are the ones making
the change.
Sometimes that tends to be, likein local communities very often
people with time on their hands.
Thanks.
Who may be retired, who writeletters a lot, who, you know, so
generally certain demographicstend to be at those meetings

(16:31):
more than others.
I was like the youngest guy atmy neighborhood meeting for On
the board by like 10 years or 20years.
And eventually my goal was liketo bring a diversity of thought
into, into those meetings.
And it started to work actuallya bit in, at least in my, you
know, in my,

I went Those, I know.

Evan Meyer (16:51):
yeah, you did.
That's right.
That's right.
We were, we were able to, yeah,we won't

but you started bringing it up.
It isn't sexy, and the majorityof people on there, There's from
my observations, there's twosides of it.
the old chromogeny complainerthat doesn't want any change and
they want it how it used to be.
And then there's the people thatare just trying to stay current

(17:26):
and relevant and bring all oneside in and make sure we're
there.
But like most of us are here inthis moderate space.
And I guess what we like to sayin the moderate space is like,
eh, well, how many people hereand how many people here are
actually hearing the voice ofeverything?

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And we don't have that time.
You said it.
We don't have that time.
It's retired people.
It's, it's people that just havetime to write letters.
I also think it's people thatlike to complain.
I remember very specificallygoing to vote a couple of years
ago.
And you know, these people, andI even told you this and they're
like, Hey, Ruben.
Beautify guy, huh?

(18:07):
How about you leave some wallsempty and blank for the
imagination?
And I'm just like, Right?
Those are the people that arealso spending time doing that.
But I'm like, for the imag Abeige boring wall?
That's like seven shades ofbeige?

(18:27):
Like we've been fighting thesebattles.
And

Evan Meyer (18:30):
name names for that, by the way, we're not going to
name names.

No, no, no.

Evan Meyer (18:35):
But I know who it was.

though.
You can write them a letter.

Evan Meyer (18:39):
Wow.

it's comments

Evan Meyer (18:41):
Okay.

And then I've also, like, that's at one extreme in
the end, because the people thatare making the change, then they
don't want to see that as well.
The other comments I hear or seeand experience is, and I'm going
to use this very specificallybecause in 2020, when not 2020,
the first time Trump won, peoplewere out rioting the streets,

(19:05):
and they're like, not mypresident, not my president,
we're in LA, like, it was chaos,like, people lost their minds,
and I just asked one question topeople, did you vote?
Nine out of ten people said no,I didn't vote.
And I just want, I was justlike, look, I'm not trying to

(19:27):
instigate, but are you out herethen you actually gave up your
right and your voice by notvoting and all you're doing out
here is creating chaos and it'snot helping anything because
yes, we're allowed to protestand do all these things, but if
you're actually not takingaction and what you're
protesting, what is the point ofwhat you're doing?
You're, you're just rioting.

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You're just out here beingangry, but you gave it all away.
So I like to point fingers andsay, someone else will do it for
me.
And then when it doesn't happen,you want to go out there and
complain, but you already gaveyour opportunity away.
And those are the two thingsthat I see.
And I'm just like, how are weever going to get anywhere?
If we don't want to take thetime and the action to take

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action or we want to negate allthe new current action and
people younger that are doingthings to improve neighborhoods
and communities and telling themto stop or don't do it so much,
right?
It's

Evan Meyer (20:28):
Right.

It's not a win win.
It's not a win win.
I think that's part of theproblem.

Evan Meyer (20:34):
Well, I think, and it's funny when people don't
vote, they're like, well, itdoesn't count anyway.
And I think my thought on thatis that like, that's a little
true, but it's, it's, it'smostly not true.
It's mostly not true.
It does count.
And, and,

but look, let me pause you for a second.
Even

Evan Meyer (20:53):
yeah, go ahead.

true, go do it for your own sake of, I have the
power to vote.

Evan Meyer (21:01):
Yeah.
But you have to make the, Ithink.
And we could get into why it'strue and not true kind of at the
same time.
And there's cases where ithasn't worked out with the
electoral college and all that.
But like, but generallyspeaking, it does work
correctly.
There's been cases where thosehaven't matched the electoral
college numbers in the voting,right?
But like, generally speaking, itdoes.

(21:22):
And And, and that's not a reasonnot to vote, even if it did it,
because the whole purpose ofthis, our constitution is to
improve it.
And it, it shouldn't be improvedeasily, right?
We can't just make changesbecause you don't like
something, things that areembedded or embedded for a
reason.
And it takes time.
Some things are harder to changethan others, but if you don't

(21:43):
engage in the process, Eventhough the choice for president
is binary, it's a complex web ofdecision making that you have to
go through, ideally, unlessyou're a single issue voter.
Some people, a lot of peopleare.
I think most people tend to be,from my experience.

on one thing, yeah.

Evan Meyer (22:00):
Yeah, usually the thing that affects them
financially, sadly.
Like, I find, like, the, andthat's like the first, the first
line, like whether or not itwill affect them financially.
Not always, in this case, youhad some other hot button items
that I think were wedge issuesthat really divided people, but
it doesn't matter.
You still have to get out andvote.
Even if you don't like bothcandidates, you have to make a

(22:22):
complicated choice.
You have to pick one and youhave to play into the game of
improving our democracy.
Each time a little bit more andmore and getting involved to do
that, and that's why I thinkit's so important to vote if you
don't do it.
I think it's a I don't know ifthere's an understanding of how

(22:42):
privileged we are to have thatopportunity to vote, even though
it's not a perfect system.
Right.
And I think that's the thingthat there's a sense of
gratitude.
I think that comes with voting,which I know you can speak a
lot.

love putting my little sticker on, you know, and
obviously I'm first generationimmigrant.
I'm brown.
You're white.

Evan Meyer (23:06):
What?

a whole nother privilege of being white and
being able to vote and thenthink about being a woman and
being able to vote and thinkabout, like, how long did it
take us to get to this point tothrow these votes away, you
know, and if you're a one issuevoter and that's your one thing
you want to hold your head on,cool, then do it for that

(23:28):
reason.
But either way, do it forsomething with vindictive, with
conviction and.
And take part in the process ofour government and our democracy
of what keeps us free.
And in many cases, I've traveleda lot and I've spent a lot of
time in different countries andlook.

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People, there's amazing thingsin other countries.
Number one, the amount ofgratitude people have for how
little they have.
That's something we can takeaway here in America.
We have so much and we're notgrateful for it.
That's one thing.
But ultimately, it always comesdown to everyone I talk to, like
all they're trying to do is saveall their life savings to come

(24:13):
visit America.
You are so lucky that you livein America.
Like, As bad as it is here, it'sworse in other places.
And if you haven't left thiscountry, go travel and go
experience something.
And maybe you'll come back witha little more gratitude,
regardless of where we live,because yes, we live in LA.

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Super blessed.
We're not lying.
This is, I was born in LA.
Super blessed.
But you know, there's beautifulparts of Europe from Indiana,
right?
There's people from all over NewYork.
Well, you went to Indiana forcollege, so you got to
experience that.
But you're from the East Coast,now you're on the West Coast.
Like, people are from all overthe place and just realizing, we

(24:57):
get to live here.
That right there is somethingthat I think we need to really,
really respect and honor andcherish because we could have
been some, my wife was born in adirt village in Ethiopia and she
found her way here, right?
She could have still been, therewould have been a different

(25:17):
life.
Wouldn't have been my wife.
Like imagine what her life wouldhave been if she never made it
to America.
She was adopted for those thatdon't know.
how she got here.
But it's such a blessing.
my parents immigrated the rightway.
Years ago from Colombia.
Separately, they happened tomeet here and I'm full Colombian
because they were bothColombians.
Like, we start thinking of thesestories and start realizing it

(25:40):
and speaking into immigration,like open borders, like, people
are coming in here breaking thelaw and just coming in here and
then there's people that havebeen waiting in line, doing it
the right way, paying theirtaxes, doing all the things
correctly.
Of course, they're upset at thishappening.
It doesn't make anyone racist.
It doesn't make you thinkingyou're better than anyone else.

(26:02):
It just makes you think like,I'm, I did my part as a good
human to in a system as a goodhuman.
can we start looking at eachother as good humans
participating in a system andwillingly?
Again, that's borders.
One issue abortion rights areone issue.
you know, same sex marriage is aone issue financial.

(26:25):
So there's so many things youcould.
You could look at it and that'swhat we started unpacking.
But I think that's what it comesdown to.
It's like, holy cow.
Thank you.
I'm born here.
I'm American.
I'm American person.
I will always be.
So like, just be proud and govote because of that.
You know, the long rant,

Evan Meyer (26:43):
Right.
No, I think, I think, I think itmakes a lot of, you know, like
if you're, it's funny if youlive in the bottom 5 percent of
the income bracket in America,you still live in the top 95
percent of the world.

(27:05):
Did I get that right?
If you're in the bottom, yeah,you're still, you're still at
like living better than 95percent of the world.

Yeah.

Evan Meyer (27:13):
Yeah, so like to think about it that way of how
good quality life has gotteneven for low income here, like,
and there's a great book by HansRosling called Factfulness that
I, that I always like toreference and bring back.
Into this that talks about hehas a great project where he
goes around and takes picturesof of, of, of all the ways that

(27:38):
people live in all the differentcountries in different, in
different income brackets.
And he has these like levels onethrough four of, of, of

yeah,

Evan Meyer (27:58):
are still brushing their teeth with their finger,
you know, and here in America,my son has a choice of four
toothbrushes.
And I was like, I thought ofthis book and I was like, when
he got, when he got like intothe debating, which toothbrush
and I don't want the green one,I want the blue one, you know, I
was like, you know what, dude, Iwas like, no, we're not doing

(28:24):
that anymore.
You're getting one toothbrush.
You're going to brush your teethwith this one toothbrush.
And we're not getting into likethe choice paradox of, of, of
toothbrushes.
Give, you know, and, and that'sbeen something that's been
really important to me, like,

for

Evan Meyer (28:44):
of like.
Like of, of how fortunate we areand to not take that for
granted.
Don't just, don't just pursuethis.
Like this kind of luxuriousovertone that dominates a lot of
the social media stuff and howpeople live their life of, of
look at me, I'm here and I'vegot this great thing and that

(29:05):
great thing.
And it's like, yeah, first ofall, you're like in the top X
percent of the world that youcan do that.
And to brag about it is evenworse.
You know, a lot of times they'relike, I, and some of these are
the things I think about, like,how about bragging about, you
know, something from a, from ahumble nature, instead of from

(29:27):
this, look at this meal, thisfilet mignon.
Like that's where we got to onsocial media.
Like, and that's what I think isa part of the issue is there's
this like sense of like, that'swhat is normal is to brag about
your filet mignon and, and Andto focus on things like that
when you have it.

(29:47):
And, and, I think that's part ofthe, the narcissistic tendency
of, Where the country is, it'snot just the president who's a
narcissist.
Narcissists vote fornarcissists, I guess, right?
Like there's, there's, there,there are people who activated
by different types of people andwhether you voted left or right,

(30:09):
you know, there's a certainhubris, I think on just to run
for president period.
But you know, if we'recomplaining that the world's too
narcissist.

capacity, everyone at that capacity is a
narcissist.
You can't say it's one versusthe other.
Oh, one's more narcissistic thanthe other.
Dude, look at our own parents,look at our friends, look at how
many walk around us, but, but totalk a little bit more about
what you were just saying, Ialso think that that's also the
gaping hole in the problem ofhow lonely are we, how detached

(30:39):
from ourselves are we, how arewe, like, how is our mental
health that, like, we findvalidation in off a thing, and
that's how we find self worth,instead of, like, This is
another thing you learn fromtraveling.
Like people could just sit thereand mind their own business and
be happy.
They know they have less, theyare happy.

(31:01):
And we have everything and weare not happy.

Evan Meyer (31:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which level of, of income inwhich country you're, you know,
the quality of life youexperience has, has little to do
with the happiness that youexperience day to day.
I remember being in Vietnam andtraveling around and in some
neighborhoods where, you know,the mattresses are on floors,

(31:25):
the houses have no windows andI'm riding around on my From the
big vat that's right outsidethat house where you stop and
have a soup in a little chair,like a, like a toddler chair.
Right.
And, and the joy that theyexperience to even just meet me

(31:50):
and have a conversation and,and, or if they speak English
and if they don't, they're stilljoyful and I'm just, I remember
experiencing that of like.
It's just, it made me think ofhow little money has to do with
happiness, if at all.
And you could just have, youhave to travel to see that, to
know if you're trying to createhappiness in your life or for

(32:12):
people, or even through policyand legislation or whatever
money doesn't do that, moneydoes a lot of other things, you
know,

a tool.
And if we

Evan Meyer (32:22):
but

hear a lot of people talk about it, that it's
a tool and like, yo, I'd lovemore of this tool because I
would do X, Y, Z.
You know, I say it all the time.
People like.
If you were a billionaire, wouldyou do something else?
And I'm like, if I was abillionaire, I would be funding
all my art projects and notseeking money or having to sell
it because A, I value it and B,I need to feed my family.

(32:45):
I'd stick a sculptureeverywhere.
I would paint murals everywhere.
I would give away the clothes.
Like literally I would do whatI'm doing now.
I would just make it free foreverybody.
So, so money's a tool in thatcapacity and I I've had money in
the past and.
In my early twenties, it was allabout my diamond watches and 26
inch rims and houses and allthat, because I was under that

(33:07):
guise of like, Oh, that's whatit means to be successful in
America.
And that's what it means to meto have that future wife and
that big house and this and thatquote unquote American dream.
And I lost it all.
And I was able to learn fromthose lessons and move forward.
You know, there's a differencein when I, back then when I

(33:27):
wanted a Lamborghini, straightup wanted to show off for my
ego.
Now, I would love a Lamborghinias a top of my list.
No, it's much more.
things on that list, but theLamborghini Urus is a dream car
that I would love to have, butit's for me and solely for me.
That is the difference.
It's not about showing it off.

(33:49):
It's not about this.
There's obviously somebyproducts on that for whoever's
going to, you know, poke thathole, but it's same with
fitness.
If you train to have a six pack,you will probably diet and do
steroids and do everything youcan to make sure you have a six
pack.
If you just train and stay fitand eat healthy.
And you happen to have a pack asthe byproduct of all that.

(34:11):
And you're just a healthy human.
Then that makes sense.
And you know, that's more of myguys now versus the other way.
at the end of the day, you know,I like nice things and we all
need money, but money is a tool.
And some of us have more of thattool than others.
So our job should be like, howcan I get more of these tools to

(34:31):
help benefit me to do the moreof the thing that I want to do
in life?
And I think there's a mindset,you know, broke versus poor.
Probably heard that conversationbefore that broke mindset really
keeps you like broken,worthless, and where poor is
temporary poor could be.
I just started a business.

(34:52):
I'm a little poor right now.
I went bankrupt.
I got to rebuild like.
I'm not where I want to be, butthat's something you can fix.
And I think, I think sometimeswe're just, we're in the wrong
mindset.
We're in the wrong definition.
we're not looking at it throughthe lens of love.
It's more through the lens offear.
And me, I react to a lot ofthings.

(35:14):
I react much less than I respondmuch more.
And this is a practice andeverything we do is a practice.
So thinking, because yousubscribe to one thing now
you're cured and you're fixed.
You know, we went and did someemotional intelligence years ago
before it was a trending thingDid it give us tools?
Are we better off than we werewhen we went?

(35:35):
Yeah, but do we go back into oldhabits?
Yes, if we're not stayingconsistent and practicing and
moving forward So, how can wetake responsibility and agency
and all of this that we'retalking about and stop

Evan Meyer (35:47):
yeah,

other people's shoulders?

Evan Meyer (35:51):
yeah.
I, I guess I find that theresponsibility comes from having
intellectual humility.
And civic humility being able torealize that maybe your
thoughts, your thoughts canchange, your beliefs can change,
new data changes things maybewhat you know or read on the
news isn't exactly the truth.

(36:11):
What is truth?
I ask people what a fact is, Iget a hundred different answers.
It's like,

It's

Evan Meyer (36:18):
what?

truth.

Evan Meyer (36:18):
don't even think

I just, I

Evan Meyer (36:22):
we are

earlier today.
Yeah.
So I just saw something earliertoday, but instead of calling
everyone a liar.
Let's just say that is yourtruth.
Here is my truth.
Let's go find the actual truth.
Because we all have our owntruths that are based in fact
and education and experience andwhat we've learned what headline

(36:44):
we read and decided that it's afact.
But just really like, it's justlike, let's stop pointing
fingers at Fox News versus CNNversus that is their truth
they're giving to us throughtheir lens and how they want to
give you the information.
It's up

Evan Meyer (36:59):
right.

Digest it through their lens absorb that, or put
it into our lens and try to see,oh, does this make sense with my
lens?
this apply to my truth?
what if we start operating thatway?
Okay, I see your truth, here'smy truth.
of saying, you're wrong, you'rea racist, you're this, you're

(37:20):
that, you're homophobe.
Like, all the things that peoplelike to point the fingers at if
you don't align with theirtruth.
Okay.

Evan Meyer (37:35):
truth, right?
Not even objective truth, butthey're, they think their
subjective truth or objective isabsolute, which is like life,
death.
Very few things are apps arebinary and absolute, right?
But we understand them to be,you know, this is a, this This
is a cup.
There's a, there's, there's somethings that no one's going to
argue, but once you get intonarrative, it starts to

(37:56):
transform things, the narrativechanges everything and memory is
not good.
And memory has a funny way ofmaking you believe things you
want to believe.
And like, and.

Silence.

Evan Meyer (38:28):
And, you know, like, why do we even use the word
truth?
I just don't understand thatvery few things should be
reserved for the word truth.
Or fact, very few things.
The rest is

Yeah, I understand what you're

Evan Meyer (38:43):
perspective,

it is your perspective that you share your
truth.
And it is still your truth.
Is it the truth?
Like you're talking aboutfactually true?
red is red?
plus one is two, you know, thoseare correct answers and facts
and truths, but my truth is mytruth.
Your truth is your truth isderived from our perspective

(39:08):
through our operating system andthrough what we kind of figure
it out.
I think we allow, I don't wantto change the word truth because
I want to allow people to keepthat part of their power, right?
Like that's your truth.
I understand.
I see you.
But we do need to realize, like,that's your subjective
interpretation, that is fromyour

Evan Meyer (39:28):
but isn't that the definition of a perspective?
Isn't that the very definitionof a perspective?

change your perspective, you could be
looking at it like this, orlooking at it like this, or
looking at it like this.
Isn't that more the position ofhow you're looking at it, right?
That's being open to looking atit differently.
Let me look

Evan Meyer (39:48):
But you can reframe your truth too, right?
You can reframe how you seethings, which is actually a
good, I think, a good piece ofthis conversation.
Like, you could see the positivein things versus the negative,
right?

you to reframe it.
the whole point.
Let me accept your truth.
You accept my truth.
And maybe we come somewhere inthe middle and we reframe our
truth together and we don't haveto be enemies.
We're friends.
Or now we're like, yo, we're onthe same page.
You're just looking at it yourway and I'm looking at it my
way, but we're actually sayingthe same thing.

Evan Meyer (40:25):
Have you experienced this?
So, as in your world now ofbeing a public figure, And in
your interactions with peopleand, you know, hundreds of
comments per post or whatever,right, across social media and,
or people you speak to does,does, does this kind of thing

(40:48):
come up into like the politicscome up?
Do they want to see you behave acertain way?
Do they want to see that you'relike, that certain things from
you and how do you reconcilewith like, Staying on 10th
authentic and kind of living outwhat we're talking about in this
conversation to to what theaudience what your audience

(41:08):
expects of you.
Do you feel that there's adifference between those things?
Are you good at balancing it?
How do you manage that?
And have there and I guess afollow up part B, maybe part D.
It's a long question.
Is are there people that orinstances that have bothered you
that you've had to deal witharound this?
Right?

You know, I think part of what I try to do is let
people be people and I alwayssay with my mission, I go as far
as opening a door for you, butyou still got to walk through it
and it's never been about my ormy beliefs or my specifications.

(41:51):
just been more about.
Use love as your guide, right?
And if you lose, use love asyour guide, you're going to end
up in the right place andtalking politics or voting.
If you voted through genuinelove, then that was your right

(42:12):
answer.
And that's all that matters.
And I don't care if it was blueor red.
Right.
And if you believe in God orAllah or Buddha and you're doing
that through that lens of loveagain, then it's, it's good.
It's okay.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Now, if, you're voting, like,one of the things that during

(42:35):
this political season was if youdidn't vote blue, hated women.
You hated, and you wanted femalerights taken away, and you were
anti abortion, and you were allthis, that, and the other.
I'm like, how, how is that theabsolute truth on voting the
other way?

(42:56):
Right?
Or if you voted red, you're aracist.
Like, that's what I'm talkingabout.
That's not coming from a placeof love.
That's coming from a place offear.
you're voting from a sense offear and a sense of scarcity or
a sense of like something'sbeing taken away from you, I
think that's the best way for meto answer this.

(43:16):
As long as you're coming from agenuine place of love, I voted
blue because I have a daughterand I believe in her female
rights and I want her to live ina world where she can.
Get abortions.
I'm like, okay, that's comingbecause you love your daughter.
There is nothing wrong withthat.
Nothing wrong with thatposition.

(43:37):
I don't think if you're onlyholding, you know, that's your
one voting metric.
would encourage you to look atmore metrics.
What does everything look like?
I think that's, that's what thatcomes down to.
If you're voting blue, because Iam not a racist, you know,
sometimes being racist withouteven realizing we're being

(44:00):
racist.
Just the sheer nature of sayingcertain things makes us racist.
if you didn't vote for Kamala,are a racist because she's a
black woman or a woman of color.
So automatically now you'reracist, but saying that.
actually makes you racist,

Evan Meyer (44:20):
Right, actually.

your own people.

Evan Meyer (44:22):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.

So, you see, like, I go down rabbit holes and I
start seeing things likecomparing women on The View from
10 years ago to four years agoto now, and they start doing
comparisons on how much peopleare flipping and flopping back
and forth.
It's okay for one person to doone thing, but not okay for the
other.

(44:47):
Like

Evan Meyer (44:48):
You're right.

make sense to me, you know, and you know, one of
the things that was said on theelection results was Latino and
black men are not ready for afemale president, the misogyny
and anti women rhetoric isthrough the roof and you're
hearing people say this.
That, in its nature, again, isthe same thing you're accusing

(45:11):
everyone of, and now you're justtrying to blanketly say all
Latinos and all Blacks are X.
that wasn't even the reason noone voted.
The fact that she was a womanwasn't even on the table.
That wasn't, that was theHillary conversation.
That wasn't the Kamalaconversation.
So I, I think that's, that'swhat it comes down to.
That's my best example for thispiece.

(45:32):
part of your question is, areyou doing it from a lens of
love?
Are you doing it because youreally think that's the right
thing to be the best human I canbe?
Are you doing it because youwant to put more love in the
world and you want to more lovefrom the world?
And if you're coming from thatspace, That's fine by me.
I don't care which side you votefor.
It's just how are you voting?

(45:53):
How are you participating forhumanity?
And are you just, just realizingI'm another human that bleeds
and cries and feels and needsall the same things that you
need?

Evan Meyer (46:06):
Yeah.
Any instances in particular thatyou had to deal with that you
remember like someone came toyou with a certain thing or you
put out a piece of art andsomeone said something about it
or, what, you know, somemessaging that you put out and
someone, you know, Didn't likethe thing and you had to comment

(46:27):
back and say, it's all aboutthe, and you had to explain it
obviously without identifyingthe person, anything come to
mind, like of a concreteexample?

years, there have been lots of comments, emails,
this, that, and the other, and Ihave learned to just let it be.
Because it has nothing to dowith me.
And this applies to everythingin general, right?
One of the four agreements,don't take it personal.
Like, just realizing how much ofthis has nothing to do with us,

(46:58):
and why are we taking itpersonal, and why are we putting
it on ourselves?
When realizing, like, thatperson just needs a hug.
And this is what they're sendingand putting out there, not even
asking, knowing they're askingfor a hug.
But that's really what theywant.
And that's really what theyneed.
They don't need a reply orrebuttal or an explanation.

(47:20):
But in many cases, you know, toplevel, people are like, Oh,
you're going to change the worldwith love.
Yeah.
That's a hope.
That's some hippie shit.
I'm like, I'm not doing anythinghippie.
My stuff has nothing to do withthat movement.
Hippies, nothing.
Nothing against it.
But that was, that's a differenttime.
And in many cases, all of thischoose love, and slip through

(47:42):
love, I'm telling you like,first choose yourself.
in the mirror and chooseyourself.
And start unpacking what's goingon in here.
That is affecting how you'reshowing up out there.
This isn't about opening,opening the doors, being polite
and chivalry.
That's great.
isn't about rom coms.
This isn't Valentine's day.
This isn't giving flowers,chocolates and going on a date.

(48:04):
This is tough conversations.
This is.
Not what we said earlier,breaking up with your family
over politics, but up with yourfamily because there is a whole
slew of reasons that they arepoisonous for you and you and
each other.
Like, you have to do that, thatdeep work and that deep
conversation and then realize,look, I love you so much and I

(48:26):
love myself so much that iswhat's going to happen now.
So, yeah, Yeah, I believe I amgoing to change the board.
We've said this a few times,know, if you go on stage pumping
your chest, I'm on a world peacemission.
Like that's a littlenarcissistic.
It's a little egoic.
a little out there.
But if I say I'm on a worldpeace mission by asking one

(48:50):
person at a time to choose love.
And then that ripple effecteventually is more than the
thousand, ten thousand, amillion people that I impact.
Maybe it does hit eight billionpeople.
And if eight billion peoplechoose love, wow, maybe there
can be world peace.
think realizing when we talkedabout local level versus state

(49:12):
versus federal, we all think weneed to be the president.
We all think we need to be anElon Musk or Joe Rogan or
something to create that change,but like, what can you do in
your family and your friends andin your community to let that
ripple out?
And yeah, so that's what Ibelieve as far as this mission.

(49:32):
And in many cases, you know,I've heard, I did this, this,
this tequila bottle with myloves all over it.
And some, some of the, they're,they got the email of like, Oh,
that's a.
Why are you doing a pride or agay bottle to use some other
nasty slurs?
And the, and the, the companyreplied with, that's not about

(49:52):
that.
That's his art.
Why don't you go look him up?
Why don't you go look up themission before you come giving
hate emails to that brand?
And then they would send me someof that stuff and then they
would look at it.
But it's like, at the end of theday, you want to believe what
you want to believe.
Go for it.
I don't think we need to startdefending ourselves anymore.

(50:12):
I think it comes with age.
The older I get, like, I'm afather, I'm a husband, I have a
mission, I'm clear on my values,why do I need to keep defending
myself?
That's a lot of energy.
And if I continue to defendmyself, Then how am I taking
away from delivering the missionand the vision and executing
where I want to take this brandand this mission to the world.

(50:37):
So in many cases I let it gocause it doesn't apply to me,
but yes, obviously there's allof that.
And I think a lot of us can takeaway from it slide off.
It's just dirt on your shoulder,it off, you know, maybe instead
of replying, like, You knowwhat?
I hear you.
You want a hug?

(50:58):
You need a coffee?
Like, maybe, maybe answeringlike that instead of just going
deep into it.

Evan Meyer (51:08):
Let's, let's take that to what can be done level
of say Congress or the Senatefederal level, right?
If you had to share What youwant to see in government in our

(51:30):
legislative branch right nowwith that sentiment, and you
were to say, you, you get, youget like a minute to tell them
what needs to be done and howthey need to be.
What are you going to tell him?

I mean, I would distill it down to that one
sentence that I always talkabout.
Like, are we looking at thisthrough the lens of love?
And I would help define that.
to me, is actually undefinable.
Most of us think that it's thedictionary definition, a strong
feeling of emotion.
of affection, right?
No, it's more than that.
But I would say let's stopreacting to everything and let's

(52:11):
actually start responding.
Let's, let's take a moment andbreathe it.
And I joke around, you want toknow what the real answer is?
I need to go in there and runfor it and get a seat and work
my way up and create the purpleparty.
And align both parties, youknow, and I can think that way.
I'm, am I the guy for that?
No.
Do I have any politicalaspirations?
Hey, my wife would divorce me.

(52:32):
She says, Oh, hell no, but youbetter never do that.
But you have to have theattitude of like, well, then at
least me be the guy to go do it.
And if you at least have thatattitude, maybe you can support
the people that are doing it orchampioning them or find the
next person that's going to dothat and start building circles

(52:52):
of people that align with thosemissions and values.
I think it comes with that andthen getting the right person
who's going to go talk atConverse and give them what they
need to hear, but at the sametime, I watch these videos, I
watch all the stuff.
And they're all grandstanding.
They're all, especially on anelection cycle.
They were just being told whatwe want to hear to vote for

(53:16):
them.
And then they disappeared.
It moves on.
And four years go by a few yearsgo by and we forgot all of that.
And somehow they end up thereagain.
I think the system and thepeople that are way too old,
they're way too old.
Like we need younger people inthere.
That's a whole nother thing.

(53:37):
Did that answer that?
I don't know if that answeredthat.

Evan Meyer (53:41):
Sort of, no, I think it did a good job of explaining,
but I, I guess what I, what I,what I really wanted to hear was
like, Hey, Congress, you allneed to, you know, X, Y, and Z.
That's okay.
I'm just messing around.

Well, if you want, you want that, the one thing I
would say.
Hey, remember why you first ranin the first place?
You wanted to make change, youknow, we know people change and
that system is corrupt and theyget corrupted and there's
different levels of corruption.
All of us humans are corrupted.
We all have our vices, you know,whether you watch.

(54:21):
fi or porn or gamble or this orwhatever.
We all have a level ofcorruption.
So we cannot think we're allsafe, but I would take them back
to like, remember why you firstran, remember your first term,
remember why you got here andyou did it for the people you
didn't do it for the moneythat's backing you and for this
and for a repeat of gettingvoted in there again.

(54:44):
And instead of doing that, whydon't you actually put your
values where you came from,deliver those results and get
voted on results, not get votedin on what they want you to say
so that they can vote for youagain, actually deliver.
Maybe it comes down to like, youcan't be a repeat.

(55:05):
Maybe it's every other time havelike people flip even more.
I don't know, but that's what Iwould say.
You've been here for how manyyears now?
Remember when you first ran?
Like Biden, 60 years inpolitics.
Does that guy even rememberanything?
Why did he start like you gothrough his whole career?
He flip flopped back and forthlike decades, but we change

(55:29):
right in our 40s We think oneway in our 30s.
We think one way in our 20s.
We think one way I don't evenknow what it's going to be like
50s 60s and 70s So I think, Ithink that's what I would say.
I was like, remember why youfirst ran?
What were those values?
And I'd probably ask them totell me what they were.
And I say, well, what's keepingyou from delivering at that
promise?
What has changed?

(55:49):
What is it about these watersthat isn't allowing you to get
to that initial goal?
And what can you do about it tochange that?
And if you go back to that, canyou start rebuilding on that?
Instead of just trying to keepyour seat forever.
I can't imagine how stressfulthat life is.
don't get paid enough.
You can get more in the privatesector, but I do see how later

(56:13):
they get the politicians on themost wealthy people because book
deals and this deal and thatdeal, and they invest in secret
stuff all over the place, but Ican't, I'm not mad at that.
Like I'm not mad at anyone evergetting ahead because we all
have that opportunity doing itvery illegally.
That's a whole nother ballgame,but that's what I would say.

(56:34):
Hey.
Why did you first run?
What did you want to accomplishin your first few years here?
And why have you strayed so farfrom that?
And how can you get back to thatpoint?
That would be my

Evan Meyer (56:48):
Perfect.

sentence, my course.

Evan Meyer (56:50):
There you go.
That was, that was, that wasbeautiful.
That was beautiful.
Well said.
Well, we got a a long way to go.
It's definitely not a perfectsystem.
And I think as long as peopleknow that, and it's their job to
make it better.
You know, you it's, it's, thesepeople come from you, they've
come from your schools, they'reraised in the American system

(57:12):
with American values.
So anyone you don't like inpolitics, it's not like, who are
these people?
It's like, they went to yourhigh schools.
They were raised with youreducation system.
And this is, you know, and theyhave a certain set of
characteristics or qualitiesthat eventually puts them in

(57:35):
that seat, but that could beyou, Or it's just you getting
involved in a way that cansupport them and make meaningful
change.
You don't have to be apolitician to make change.
So, you know, here's to morepeople getting involved in, with
civility and love.

(57:55):
There you go.
We'll drink to that.

we think about it, one of the greatest things as a
human is to be in service toanother human, true, genuine
service.
You've done it repeatedly.
I've done it repeatedly.
We've done it with what we didat Beautify.
You just go do it for the sakeof, it's better for the

(58:22):
community, it's better for thehumans that are there.
It's better for all the humansaround us.
that's it.
And leave it at that.
And the wealth you get frombeing in service, and for those
that have done it for thatreason, no.
There's just nothing greaterthan being in service.
So, you know, being apolitician, there's a level of

(58:44):
you wanting to be in service.
Like, how do we stick true tothat?

Evan Meyer (58:51):
Yep.
And respect for getting to, forhaving what it takes to say, I
want to be in public service tothat degree.
There's a certain piece of methat respects anyone who gets
involved to put their wholelife.
Under a microscope for the worldto analyze, you know, and, and,
and, you know, there's to havewhat it takes to do that is

(59:12):
there's respect there andwhether I agree or disagree,
that's, they're the people doingit, the people who complaining
at those people are the peoplenot doing it.
So, you know,

That's your name on the SATs.

Evan Meyer (59:26):
there's some degree of.

it.
Here's some points.
Yeah.

Evan Meyer (59:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You don't like it.
You run.
I tell that to people.
Why aren't you running?
Oh, I got reasons and I don'twant my life under a month.
I don't want to be, you know,this and it's going to be too
much of that too.
Well, guess what?
They have what it takes to doit.
And they went to the same highschool you did.
So what's the difference betweenthem and you?
You've got reasons.
They don't.

that brings a good point, though.
That's true.
We've talked about that.
Everyone has their reasons foreverything, we say reasons
instead of excuses, but we'retalking about excuses also,
right?
It's the same thing.
But

Evan Meyer (01:00:04):
Same thing,

Ruben Rojas (01:00:05):
you give, you give a little power to the reason.
I chose this, so it is my reasoninstead of making an excuse,

right?
Excuse has a little, is a littlemore negative.

Yeah, but,

It's got a more of a negative connotation though.
Yeah, I see that.

let's say, say we do, boom, I'm going to go run.
I'm going to make it happen.
There's a lot of obstacles.
There is a lot of obstacles.
Like you can't really run as anindependent.
It's a total joke.
And then was there a greenpiece?
Like if I literally start thepurple party, love, you

Yeah.

how much money can like the amount of money Kamala
and Trump raised, like, so it'slike, where,

But that's, you know, you've got to start
locally.
It starts locally.
You run, you become yourneighborhood board.
President, neighborhoodassociation president, you get
on the board of the chamber, youget on the board of planning,
you get, you know, become acommissioner, you can run for
council.
And if that works, you can startworking at the county level, the
state level, and you grow.
And as you get, you get largerand larger responsibility,

(01:01:11):
right?
You, you increase the amountthat people trust you with.
Or that you've earned to somedegree, this sort of trust.
I'm going to manage my decisionswill now affect the million
people in my Senate district orthe 330, 000 people in my
assembly district at the statelevel.
And if you do it, you know, atcongressional districts You

(01:01:32):
know, I think it's similar withthe congressional dish, but at
the Senate, the States, a U SSenator talking about like two
senators for California.
So it's like, you know,responsible.
If you divide that up, it's sortof like 20 million each.
It's like a pretty big deal.
So, but you can't get there.

No.
Yeah.

Sorry.
I was just gonna say, you can'tget there.
You can't, you can't get there.
Like it's, it's not like sayingI have a cure for.
Cancer.
Well, how do you think you'regoing to get to develop a cure
for cancer?
You have to work 30 years inthe, in, in the biotech world
and the recent cancer research,right?
So it's sort of like, you can'tjust fix things.
There's a, there's a process.
That's my point.

need to

Get involved.

No, but the other thing I was going to say, you
can start through all that.
But this is where it like goesback to the corruption or the
who do you owe?
You have to raise money campaignunless you're self millionaire,
billionaire, but then you'reowed.
You're in debt to these people.
Oh, big pharma just backed me.

(01:02:35):
They gave me a million dollars.
big pharma got powerful again.
Because you can't flat out justscrew them over next time
because they'll get, they'llburn you and get you out of
there real quick.
So like, how do you startwalking that fine line?
I mean, we don't have to go intothat.
The whole thing in the weeds,but then you do

Part two.

and you do need to put it all in there.
And how do

Yeah.
How do you raise money and notfeel beholden to those, to those
people?
I, you know, there's a realconflicts of interest.
The second money enterspolitics.
It's like, how do you navigatethat?
And some people are thought ofto do that better.
I think that's why a lot ofpeople have voted for Trump.
They actually think that hewill, he's not behold, right.
That narrative is that he is notbeholden to anyone, or at least

(01:03:20):
to the degree that theestablishment is right.
Like that's sort of the, so,Hey, I want to you know, we had
an hour set aside to do this.
And I want to be respectful ofthat because I know we can talk
forever, but Some point we'llhave to do a round two, but
sending tons of love your wayright into your, right into your

(01:03:43):
studio in Santa Monica.
As I as I sit here in Venice andthanks for joining me.
I mean, it was so cool that wegot to do this and spend the
time together and talk aboutsomething you know, hopefully
that can impact a lot of peopleand maybe we can get some people
involved by, by doing this.
By not just what we're saying,but, you know, from what we've

(01:04:04):
done for so long.
And have, you know, proud to saywe've practiced what we preach
in a lot of ways here.
So, keep up all the good work,brother.

we've drank from the faucet.

Yeah, we sure have not trying to self toot there.
Just you know, we've done ittogether.
That's geez, thousands of wallsand so many schools and, and
it's Just an incredible journeythat we got to share together.
So, here's to continue in makingthe world a better place.
And any last words,

Nope.

spread love.

Thank

you go.
All right.

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