January 31, 2024 • 43 mins
In this compelling episode of 'MF Uncensored', we welcome special guest Jonathan Emery, who takes us through his challenging journey of divorce, job loss, and ultimate transformation. He speaks candidly about the process of self-discovery he undertook during these tough times, ultimately finding strength and resilience amidst turmoil.
Jonathan shares not only his personal story but also his venture into the world of podcasting and becoming a full-time podcast host. He reveals the complexities of dealing with the end of a marriage and the internal struggles he faced, as well as his exploration of spirituality, which offered him solace and supported his journey towards healing.
This episode also delves into Jonathan's physical and business transformation, sharing insights on the importance of physical fitness and the role of positive affirmations. He emphasizes the importance of network building through entrepreneurship and mastermind groups, a component vital for his business success.
The episode concludes with an enlightening discussion on Jonathan's experience with content creation and the various challenges and milestones it entails. Tune into this moving episode, abundant with valuable life lessons and insights, on various platforms like Podbean, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and iHeartRadio.
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As always, I'm one of your hosts, Paul, and with me via the Zoom studio is a
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man who you're going to find out why, very specifically, his story resonated with me.
And he doesn't even know this yet, but I'm a child of divorce,
and I grew up in a divorce household,
so I saw the ups and downs, the good, the bad, And then it's not until I was
an adult, like in my 30s, that I learned so much more about what was going on behind the scenes.
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And I feel like if I had a show or a podcast or something to listen to,
to support me during that time, it would have made a world of difference.
But it's my honor to introduce Mr. Jonathan Emery. Jonathan, how are you today?
Doing well. Thank you for having me. I'm really sorry that I totally caught you off guard.
I know we just did a whole pre-show and I didn't mention that,
you know, I was a child the divorce. And that was one of the biggest reasons
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that when you messaged me, I was like, yes, got to have them on.
But you're good. Yeah. Wherever you want me to begin, I can go back to my childhood as, as well.
You know, I can just kind of share that, which I probably never shared with too many people yet.
Yeah, no, I, you know, it's funny because growing up and, you know,
obviously you'll tell your story about divorce and moving through it,
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you know, divorce doesn't just hit the two people involved with it.
It impacts a lot of people. It impacts, you know, kids, cousins, families.
Like I still have stories and memories of my childhood of like,
bad stuff, but also so many of the good things. And now it's funny because both
my parents have remarried. They got divorced.
I'm 36. So 30 years ago, they got divorced. And it's so funny looking back on it now.
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And then we do like a family event and like my step parents on either side are
like talking to each other.
And it's so strange now. And it's wild how that sort of thing changes.
But for our listeners, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit
about yourself self first yeah so as of
now i do have a full-time job still but i also had
a podcast which i do post at night primarily people coming
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on sharing their journeys in life all different journeys you know i mean it
doesn't i don't really care where they're coming from what they went through
as long as they're open and vulnerable to talk about whatever they want to share
you know so that's been a blessing in disguise that's been for over a year i
do have a son who's almost 14 a daughter or who's almost 11 or is 11, I'm sorry.
And I had a daughter, which you might see in the background of the once in a while running rooms.
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That's fine. We have a cat who's going to be running around at some point,
don't worry. We're good. We're good.
All right, for you, you mentioned having a full-time job now.
Why is that so significant?
Well, I got to have it to support myself and the kids, you know,
and the house that we had them born and raised in for the time being,
you know. So yeah, I have to have that.
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Unfortunately, you know, in a way, you know where i don't want to have something
like that i do have to have that this for that part and obviously there's child
support and all that good stuff to do with it too yeah so i lost you.
Oh sorry there we go you got me yep yeah
i got it all right i'll hit record again here we
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go all right so for our listeners though
you said you had a podcast what's the name of your podcast again life's check
mark life's check mark and you started it you said for about
a year you've been going yeah since november last
year i'm on episode 64 right about
now so i'm slowly doing like two a week almost now because
i got a lot of the backlog yeah i got so much of the backlog so
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i'm trying to push more out quicker it's tough
but it's fun yeah what's been uh your
favorite challenge of podcasting so far favorite challenge
that's that's a great question it's learning all the ai
stuff right now to be honest with you there's a
lot out there and i played with a whole bunch of different
tools and there's not one that seems
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to fit everything that i would want right so you know
like i tried i tried these scripts and everybody's like
oh i love that you know and it didn't didn't jive
with me for what i was looking for so i'm playing around with another tool
currently the more put out there for facebook post
and you know make everything more appealing in a way instead of me having to
sit there and type everything out now i do read through it all obviously because
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yeah because it doesn't pick everything up exact you know for instance the ones
i just did it says something about prisoner and stuff like that and it just
picked up the the wrong language.
So it had nothing to do with it. So you got to be really careful.
Yeah. So for the AI stuff, I use, I use chat GPT a little bit for,
you know, just structuring show notes and stuff like that, because in my brain, it's all there.
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It's just putting it in order because otherwise I won't follow a script or anything
like that. I'm terrible.
I love these scripts. I'll be honest. I do use it for, it's funny.
I was using it before the AI stuff and now they just introduced it.
So I'm kind of not really using it too much, but I just found a a great AI tool
for our YouTube channel that I use that re-optimizes our videos.
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So it like changes the descriptions a little bit, add thumbnails,
stuff like that. But it's funny because.
Sometimes same thing it'll pick up the wrong thing and do
an entire episode description i'm like that's not even what the episode's about it's
wild like we we live in this crazy time like my wife the producer of the show
producer melanie as we love to call her she she uses canva she's huge on camera
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she's so good at it like she can make an entire presentation in four and a half
minutes and i'm still sitting there going how do i add shapes but like they
just added their ai tools to it too.
And I'm like, I can't, it's too much, way, way too much.
But let's, let's go back in time for your journey because it does start with
losing a 20 year job and navigating divorce almost at the exact same time.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Yeah, absolutely. So I had a job. So first of all, my ex-wife,
I call her, it's my kid's mother.
I really don't want to call her ex-wife. That's just how I relate to her.
So we met when I was almost like 19 and she She was like 15,
16-ish. And then that was it.
So it was like, you know, for a while we were dating and then we wound up getting
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engaged. We got married and then we had the kids.
So throughout the whole time, like 19 years old, I had this job and I held it for 20 years.
I advanced a little bit in that company and I always wanted out, right?
I was like, yeah, I want out. So I was interested in real estate.
I bought a few investment properties and I never really stayed focused.
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So I never really grew from that. Although that was like, yeah,
this is what I'm going to do.
You know, 20 years, let's see, it was around the COVID time.
So it was about almost three years ago, I lost my job and it wasn't due to COVID.
They just had another plant in another state and they said, oh,
this one's doing better. This one's not doing as well.
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So they just shut our doors, right? And my position was, I was in the logistics area.
So I was focusing on shipping, receiving, making sure the guys underneath me,
they had machines running with material all the time.
So around October, prior to me leaving, I left around in May of the following year.
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Around October, production stopped. So I saw like almost 50 some people walk
out the door around that time.
Yeah it was it was crazy because a lot of the guys were in the production area
you know and i had to stay there to focus on i mean basically this place was
four printing presses maybe six or seven eight slitters which is they took a
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big roll and they cut it down the size.
And it was for food foil and paper and stuff we were producing printed and we
had i mean I mean, so the place is booming and then we have to take it down
to an empty shell, like literally, nothing.
So I was like one of the last three guys left to walk away and say,
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everything's gone. That was crazy. So-
I looked at it as like an opportunity, a blessing in disguise,
right? Like I wanted something like this to happen.
So I think not that I wanted that, but you know, it's like in my head,
like, okay, this is like the push, right? Okay.
What now? So I didn't know what to expect.
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And, you know, I, I knew some guy, he was in the insurance field and he's like,
oh, you're a great person. I'd love to take you on if you're interested.
So, and I was, I was interested and I explored that. I did that for almost six months or whatever.
I got one client, which was fun. It was the journey, I would call it,
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of learning a whole different avenue.
I was never in sales. I was never into trying to connect with people.
I still find myself as an introvert, so I don't really went out there and network
or nothing. I never pursued that.
It was fun. It was a turning point for me. And unfortunately,
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at that time, I guess things shifted in my marriage that I had.
And she wound up taking almost a full-time job.
The kids were home every once in a while for COVID.
And I was out of a job, so I was home with the kids when they were here.
And I was focusing on what I was doing during the day, even at night.
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I was trying to build something.
And I still didn't know what I was doing. I was still learning,
right? So I'm making YouTube videos. They're still up there.
I don't do that anymore with the insurance, but they're still up there.
People watch them and I'll leave them there if somebody can get some value out of it.
But it turned out to a point where, yes, I didn't provide some areas in my life that I should have.
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But I was looking at the ultimate goal of this is where it can be if I just keep going. Right.
And, you know, somebody else probably didn't see that part and other things
were popping on the other side.
So anyways, long story short, for the divorce part, it came to a point where I didn't see it coming.
I had no idea. it so in my eyes
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there was some kind of uncommunic uncommunicated expectations
you know where i wasn't hearing anything
if nothing was we never had we sit down
discussions and unfortunately things unfolded and when i found out things were
not going as well as somebody wanted them to be i i went ahead i stopped doing
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the insurance thing right away and i got another job eventually you And it's not the one I have now,
but it was something that gave me something, right?
So it wasn't that. Anyways, we got divorced.
I mean, she brought the word up. So it was like in May of, I don't know,
almost three years ago. I really don't remember exactly.
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It's it's it's done, but it's been three years ago and I've come this May and
I'm just going to share with you the like the process on my end of like how
as a guy, you know, like I, I don't know. I don't want to say I put something on a pedestal.
I don't you know, but I, I always remember dates.
I always remember gifts, but you know, like that was me. me
like right i was showing up in the
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in the marriage in my eyes right and so
i i want to join i was i don't know if you listen to uh
dead edge podcast or not it's for men so
i listened to it a long time ago and then and then it came
back up and it was like january of that year before
she said something and i connected with a few great
guys that gone through some stuff or were going
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through it so i was able to call them everyone's watch you know
i'm trying to figure their shit out no curse away
but yeah okay all right yeah so i
was trying to figure it all out i got mentally emotionally i lost it i lost
like 20 20 pounds i couldn't sleep at night you know and this was before even
it even became a divorce word right so i reached out to a guy that was in the
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group and you know he had this like little course that you call it mastering Mastering,
I think mastering masculinity or something, somehow like bringing it back. Right.
So it was like a four week course.
And, you know, so I think it started like in April, the end of April.
And it wasn't my intentions to become better, to make the fixed things or anything.
But it's more for me to learn what I might have lost.
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And he explained it. You know, I don't know. There's feminine and masculine
in everybody. Right. Yeah.
What's his name? What's his name? you.
Jeremy okay because we just did an episode
with a guy named alan watts he calls uh he goes
by the title the love engineer and he same
kind of concept the masculine i was like i
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was about to say if it was the same person that i
would have but that's funny
also it there's so much of it out there now like i've never
i've never even heard of it right so i'm like so but
he explained it to me like she probably took on a masculine to
enroll with the job and everything and i took the feminine role
taking care of the kids and stuff and it made sense right it just
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it just flip-flopped and so anyways
i got to learn a little bit something about from what you had to share
through that course and talking to
these guys it kind of got me to a point to like
because i really didn't want anything to happen i i mentioned counseling i
mentioned all that and unfortunately somebody else
didn't want it it was too late whatever and
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it got to the point where she said the word i said
i'm done i'm like i'm tired of trying to figure it out you know
and so i was like in a state of
relaxation in a way you know i wasn't and i
was able to sleep then you know i mean it was kind of weird right you
know it's that relief you know it's like we're finally to finally be on the
same page and not necessarily in the right way but right right so fortunately
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and unfortunately in a way you know i didn't want it for my basically for kids
yeah um and i could dig into a little bit why you know on my end.
I, I, it was a blessing in disguise in a way, an opportunity,
because now I start the podcast, I start connecting to all these people.
I I've been to places I've never would have been to probably if I was still
married, you know, I wouldn't have got up and just, it was not me,
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you know, it was not me at the time, but I completely changed.
I, I focus on a lot of areas in my life, but I I'll come back to that if that's okay.
I just want to, I just want to go back and find a little
bit more you know because a lot of people in my in
my family they were divorced and like and i
grew up like i don't want this like i don't want these people i
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don't want to be divorced i don't want to be that person right so maybe i tried
a little too hard to keep it together i have no idea right but there's one thing
i found out when i was almost like 20 i moved out of the house and you know
it was me my my mom my dad and my sister so my sister decided decided to go to the Navy.
And so I left the house, she was leaving.
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And then we come to find out that my mom and my dad were divorced and we did not know.
And they were divorced a long time
ago and just decided to live with each other, try to make things work.
And once in a while, I was told, I remember a story that my dad told me, he passed,
but he told me that, I remember when you you
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were eight you asked me where my ring was and i said that's your mom that's that's
not your dad that's all you need to know and like that that stuck with me and
yeah so i mean like i'm sharing this because i don't know if them staying together
changed me and my sister for being raised and growing up but but looking back
me at me now growing up i'm like.
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I can only imagine all the misery and the pain and suffering they could have
gone through. Oh, yeah. To try to stick it out just for the kids, right?
So that's how I'm looking at it, too. Like, I wouldn't want that on my kids
if we were to try to make things work out.
You know, I don't see that as a benefit to anybody.
I'm not a professional in that area, you know, but I just don't see it.
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So that's where, you know, growing up and not knowing that is kind of an odd thing.
So with the coming back to like the
area part you know with me transforming in
a sense i i spoke just first emotionally
right i had to figure out how am i gonna make this work in a three-bedroom home
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yeah i'm still here right in a three-bedroom home with all this noise and stuff
and you know and coming home and you know dinner or whatever's made or whatever
it was and And it's not, it's not the same anymore.
So, you know, most of the time my house is empty and, you know,
I didn't have a dog at the time, so I didn't get, get her until probably a few
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years, almost a year ago.
And it was different. So I had to take that in. I had to take in the silence.
And for me, I had to accept that this is what life is right now and things will
get better, you know, and slowly things changed for me.
So I got the job I have now. Now, after we got divorced or after the word came
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up and then obviously paperwork and follow that, I got this job.
But anyways, that, but that became like an opportunity and so,
and that was like a blessing in disguise.
And so I, I, I just learned since then, since going through all this to start
accepting these opportunities, not, not just like push people away every once in a while.
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So I did that area. Right. And I want to say, like, you know,
I started more on a routine. I started meditating, writing in the journal almost a while.
I never, that never became a thing in mind, but it was there if I needed it.
Right. And I started to listen to YouTube videos, you know, for,
you know, motivation, whatever.
People that build you up, they're all over, M.I.L.A., let's drown.
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Yeah, right, right. But it was good. It was uplifting in a way.
They keep going, keep moving forward. And then every once in a while,
you hear they'll mention divorce or something. You're like, oh, yeah, that's me.
They're talking about me. That's right. Exactly. Yeah.
But that helps me in that area. And for whatever reason, I listened to a podcast
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and I forget who it was or whatever.
But the guy said, you know, just wake up and start saying thank you.
And he's like, it's really hard to do, you know, to make it a habit.
But once you keep going, you know, it sticks. So I started saying thank you. It took a while. Yes.
And the thank you was pretty much for being alive and to appreciate your life
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and to keep moving forward.
In my eyes, that's how I look at it. So I don't know how long it took for me
to do this, but it worked.
And then eventually sometime in January of this year, actually,
I started saying thank you, God.
Right. And that was never a thing of mine. I never really went to church,
you know, when I was a kid sometimes, but not as often.
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And so, you know, the whole spiritual thing started coming to me where I'm like,
I don't get this. This isn't this isn't me. Right. This is different. So what is this?
So, you know, I reach out to a friend and it's like, oh, maybe you just like exploring.
And he goes to church and stuff, you know, so no push, no nothing.
He's just like, look, if you want, you can come to the church, check it out.
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He recommended a bible that he had which
i don't print anymore so i found one on ebay so i bought that
it's it's it's a bible made
for fathers to translate it to their kids or something so yeah it's it's pretty
cool and it's like simple like english so i can understand as a kid who i don't
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want to say force force is a terrible word highly motivated and taken to to church every week.
Ironically enough, that was also part of my parents' divorce.
My father's side is Catholic, my mother's side is Lutheran. So we were raised
Lutheran, but we went to a church that was close to my dad.
So on the alternating weekends, my dad would drop us off at church and my mom would meet us there.
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And that was part of their setup, which I never really realized as a kid.
But growing up, religion was one
of those things we had to do and it's funny
i'm more interested in learning about religion now as an adult on
my own leisure than i ever was when
i was forced to wear my button-up shirt go to
sunday school like we did the whole thing sunday school
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confirmation like the whole nine and part of
that was my parent was like both my parents were like once you
get confirmed it's on you i'm like that's a
lot of responsibility for a 13 year old to decide right now
but it's just funny you bring bring that up because
obviously we're talking about divorce and we're talking and now religion and
i'm like oh man this is this is why i knew i knew we were gonna have a good
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conversation but anyway yeah sorry i interrupted keep going no you're you're
perfectly fine so yeah so i started reading the bible i still read it once in
the morning to every every day you know basically i.
Books whatever they call it i still you know i don't figure it all out but,
so i just do that just to take it in i've been praying since i've been going to church,
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almost every week not every week but you know when i
started i'm like look i'm going three three months in
a row like every week i missed one i think due to
the weather or a car breakdown i think so that's
that's become a thing in mind too it's like i'm trying to push myself to
do something for three months and make it like a habit or
something or become really good at something like that so i
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do take my kids because i have them on sundays and
you know it's a struggle sometimes because it's early and but
they you know they're accepting it i don't push
them as much as to sit with
me they don't want to do the sunday school thing they're all they're that's
not for me sometimes they'll sit with me you
know at church and watch everything going on or there's
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a lobby that i'm like look you're here you're gonna go out there they can watch
on the screen reading stuff yeah and listen to it i say like just take something
in and tell me what you've learned you know and that's what's been happening
recently i'm okay with that again i'm not pushing them you know just just come
with me and if they look they want to believe or whatever
in life that's up to that that's their choice i like that yeah yeah that's yeah
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i mean they're there i'm like there's one day we miss because my daughter didn't
get up in time i'm like look look, it's okay, you know, not a problem,
you know, and of course, she's upset, but, you know.
Things happen, I'm not, I wasn't too worried about it, but so that, that's been a big,
game changer for me spiritually, so, you know, lately, I've been trying to pray
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more at night, too, and just run through my day, like, thank you for this day,
you know, this is what happened, I do other vision boards, I kind of run through that as well,
you know, and just pray on what what my vision is
yeah so and then you know the other
area for me was the business part so i i i
had the whole i don't maybe somebody was watching me way back when right so
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where i was at you know working 20 years somebody had a gym set in their basement
and you know they were they were into lifting and they're like oh we're moving
to carolina but nobody wants to take this equipment At the time, I had a cargo van,
you know, the ones that nobody likes.
Watch out for that guy driving that van. Why does he have puppies? What?
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That's right. That was me.
No, I'm like, look, if nobody takes it, you know, let me know.
I have a cargo van and I have a room in the basement and I'll grab it for you.
So I did. I wound up getting it for nothing and sat in the basement.
I really never went to town with it until everything happened here with the divorce.
I worked out probably five days a week trying to do it on my own.
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I had the time and everything. I got results, but I didn't get the results I
wanted. So January came, I met somebody through an entrepreneur group and,
you know, I hired them as my trainer and now I do it three times a week.
And, you know, I'm happy with where I'm at. You know, I can watch what I'm eating more often.
So that's changed a lot for me, too. And that I mean, I recommend that to any
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guy just because it's more for mentality as well.
Oh yeah you know yeah it gets the aggression out
of you any depression you know whatever you
got going on in life if it's really getting to you it definitely
cleans it up a little bit that's actually what i was doing right before like
i same things so when my wife and i moved into our current home right before
covid we moved in in like 2019 like right like when they were just talking about
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this new coronavirus and we
moved in and there were two caveats whatever house we We were looking at,
we needed, she needed a spare room for her library and office.
And I wanted a fully done basement. Those were the two things that we were looking for more than anything.
We didn't care how many bathrooms there were. We didn't care about anything
else. Just those were the two things top of the list.
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So I managed to get not only a fully done basement, but there's one room for
my entire podcast set up, like the whole studio.
And then the other room is like a leisure room with my entire weight sex.
I love working out at home.
I'm a very big proponent for it. I went through a lot of issues with,
with body image and feeling certain ways.
And just, you know, it's, it's been a long road for me in that regards.
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But I first, when I first started working out, it was purely for the aesthetic.
It was purely like, I want to look like this. Like, I want to look like Brad Pitt from fight club.
Of like that's right like that's the ideal male form and then it was well i
want to work out now i'm finally at a point where i work out because i want
to be able to provide physically for my family like if i'm not taking care of
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myself how am i going to take care of anybody else.
And also yeah to release that stress that to
feel like just get that aggression out just like take
it all out on the on the mats and then go and about the rest of
my day i love it so it you know same thing
it's funny that you bring it up because my basement gym is literally right around
the the corner from my podcast setup awesome yeah that's
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awesome and that's the best thing to have right instead of just
going out down the road or whatever and trying to get to the gym and
you know it's kind of like right there other people
like to hang their clothes on them or whatever i'm told but well
that's why my wife wanted a peloton and she was like i want the
peloton bike i was like no we're not getting the four
thousand dollar bike with the membership just for
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it to turn into a coat rack she's like it's not gonna turn into a coat rack i
was like okay but here we are so it sounds like you went through a lot of transformative
steps after all this happened you know from from changing the way that you work
out and eat and also religion and you know starting a podcast and listening
to more motivational stuff where are you at now.
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Yeah. So great question. I, I've joined network groups, entrepreneur groups.
I've been to a mastermind back in November and slept under the same roof with almost 40 people,
you know, all different rooms, but still, I mean, it was just the environment
to be around these people that are kind of being, you know, allow you to be
who you are and lift you up and move you forward.
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And, you know, I met so many people, which now they, some of
them have come on the podcast and it is awesome
so there's that going on working on
building a force with helping other people you know
start a podcast and keep going because i find
people that started and then they fall off and then they come back or people
that don't know how to start and that you know what's the best mic out there
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i'm like come on because like you talk to people who want to start a podcast
and you know we we've done a few episodes like because our show mf uncensored
is topical and also interview based.
We bounce around between the two, depending on how many interviews I've scheduled for the month.
But like we've done episodes about how like we started our podcast.
We started our podcast. The Multiverse Fan Cast was our first show and it's still going on.
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Still something that we do more leisurely. But we started in a giant room like
I kid you not at a job that my buddy and I worked at with one blue Yeti snowball microphone.
And if you listen to our first episode, which is still one of our most listened
to episodes, which is hilarious. It is atrocious.
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It literally sounds like we're in the middle of a freeway and you can kind of
hear what we're saying, but...
It is, it's, it's rough, but, and then it was like, all right,
well, we recorded now what we had no clue. Like, how do we find a hosting site?
How do we do this? Like it's, it's wild.
And I think having people out there that want to encourage other podcasters,
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because podcasting is a very saturated market right now.
Everybody and their grandma has a podcast at this point. I remember I used to
have to explain what a podcast was like, and people would be like, what's a podcast.
I'm like, it's like an internet radio show. They're like, you're on the radio.
Know the internet and now uh
we were watching the most recent ghostbusters movie and there's a character named
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podcast in it i'm like that's where we are
now like people know what they are so like for you
if somebody comes to you and they're like hey i want to start a podcast what's
kind of like can you kind of walk me through what your process would be yeah
firstly why you know what what's going to make you do it and the other the other
big thing is my question is if nobody listens to it would you keep going you
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know because that's that's to me that's the key right Right.
But I'm I'm loving what I do because I get to network and connect with all these people.
But if nobody's listening, will you keep going? And for me, the answer is yes,
because, you know, I'm enjoying it a lot.
Now there's people listening. I know that.
But a lot of people will say, I'm just starting because I want to I want to
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monetize this thing. I want to make money.
And, you know, you know, that's not the case.
Like it doesn't that doesn't happen overnight. night. Now, people make money
because they already have a big name for themselves and then they go,
oh, I'm sorry, podcast. And then they have all these likes and then whatever.
So I would first start thinking that out that,
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you know, it's not all going to happen overnight. You know, be prepared.
And it's good. It takes time. It takes work.
I am currently doing it by myself. And, you know, like I shared with you,
I do use AI, which has been recently, you know, that's that's middle. It's all new stuff.
So you can get a team, you can pay for it. We have money, you know,
but I think learning it and then maybe handing it off later would be something to do.
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And then the other thing would be, you know, we could talk, you know, where it's audio video,
you know, we had this little discussion in the beginning i i
think if anything do both that way you
have both ready to go and if you ever just want just you have
the video available and then you could broadcast it out if you want when you're
on them but at least you have it that's how i look at it and i'll be honest
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with you i've seen more growth on my end with the videos right now as well especially
with youtube like it like you were talking about earlier and i don't know why
but man if that's what people People want to watch, listen to,
whatever you mean, go for it.
But I do know YouTube's picking up with the podcasting world real quick.
Oh, yeah. So I've noticed that.
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The other, another quick thing I would share would be to connect with other podcasters.
And that, for the simple fact of finding out what they do, you know,
their strategies, not everything.
I mean, they're all going to be different. And, you know, because they're all
going to be different in a way.
Like i might be posting more on youtube than on tick tock or whatever right
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and some but you know you got to figure out your social media platform too that
if you want to advertise there which one will it be you know i i play with a
whole bunch of them and you have to stick with one or two,
you know and and be really good at it and let that be your that's your baby
you know and learn it inside and out i'll share real quickly the ai stuff i
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found no tools unless you found them platform where you can take your video,
share it to any platform you want,
but you can go ahead and edit the way that you want it on that platform.
It, it does not have, I have not found it because I found one,
there was one called repurpose and it was pretty good, but it didn't have the editing.
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It was basically, you had to put your thing there first and then it would repurpose it out.
It's funny because that's the biggest problem. I think it's also kind of a scam.
All these companies kind of know that, hey, somebody wants to take this video,
put it into this, and then have it do all these things.
No, we'll have this one do this and this one do this and $15 a month per platform.
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That's right. It sucks. Unfortunately, AI, as great as it is for certain things,
it's not always going to catch the right stuff. stuff.
And I've used AI for, for article help.
I've used it for like all sorts of things. I've tried chat, chat GPTs,
like premium features, which are okay.
But then that was the thing I wanted one that did everything in chat.
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GPT was like, Hey, we're introducing plugins.
I'm like, Oh, cool. So it's like, Hey, perfect article.
Like you type in and it writes it out for you. Cool. Get that.
And then it's like, well, you have five articles and then you have to start
are paying for our service. I'm like, I'm already paying for a service. I can't.
And for the most part, like I have a team of co-hosts, but when it comes to
like doing all the behind the scenes stuff, it's usually on me, which is fine.
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Cause I actually strangely enjoy doing most of it.
But yeah, unless you have like the money to set up a team or something like that.
Like I looked into YouTube automation where basically
it's like you hire a team and they create YouTube youtube
videos for you and i was like all right let me
look into this so i i met with a guy who does it and
he's like all right so you would need to start up like five grand i'm
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like and this conversation's so dumb if i
had five grand to piss away on youtube i wouldn't be trying to piss money away
on youtube but it's funny because like with all these great technological stuff
it's still they're still not the perfect creator one which is wild to think
like you would think that that That would be their market to get the creators,
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like even like your Twitch streamers and your YouTube stars,
your podcasters, like people that do because podcasting is now a medium that
is spread to all sorts of places.
It's not just purely Apple podcast. And that was it.
So, yeah, we're still years away, I think, from getting the perfect editing AI.
Yeah. Even if we ever get that right. So with the whole YouTube thing,
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repurpose, now that YouTube, you can link your clips to your full episode if you do it in YouTube.
You can't do that in repurpose. You can't do that in any other of those sites I've ever tried.
So that's the little stuff that you want.
And if you can't find it, you're going to have to stick with the one on TikTok
or YouTube and using their tools because they make it that way.
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It's just the way it is. yeah it's just like Facebook like I can post something
on Facebook online on the computer and,
Unless you guys know something I don't know, it doesn't go to Instagram right
away, right? Yeah. But if you do it on your app, you know, you can have a good run. Yeah.
So, yeah. They got you. You know what I mean? Well, that was my biggest issue
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with video because I would record.
I have a very nice Mac computer that does it all. It has all my editing stuff.
But then trying to get it from here to my phone, I was like, it's like a process.
Process like i have to first get the
clips put the clips together put them onto a google drive then
pull them onto my phone then send them
and then delete them off my phone because now my storage is getting too high
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you know repurpose was fine for that sort of stuff because you linked your accounts
and it did it for you but i don't know it just it wasn't for me and again i'm
spending money like all this money like our podcast has gone through really
cool waves of of success.
Like we have less than a hundred episodes and we're up to 13,000 downloads, which is awesome.
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This show is the one that we started most recently about a year or two ago.
So like, it's been a wild ride. It got sponsored for a while.
Like we, we were very grateful for our good friend, Neil, who sponsored the
show when it first started to get it going.
And we had a publicist, like we had the whole nine and then just,
it, it got overwhelming. It got exceptionally overwhelming.
So like when I talk to people who want a podcast, I go, it's great It's great
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when things are going really well, but it can, you can get burnt out so quick.
And that's why, like, we had to take a step back at one point and we're like,
all right, let's reevaluate what our show is going to be, where we're like,
as much as I would love to do this full time, it got to a point where this became
a full time job on top of a full time job. And I was like, nice.
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I can't, it's too much. I hear you, but I enjoy it. Just like you do,
like with the Eddie part, you know, I enjoy that too.
I'm like, I gotta make this right. This looks good, this feels good, yeah.
Yeah, it's my favorite. I don't, it's exciting. Like it's creating.
And I think that as we get older, our imagination goes away and like our ability to create goes away.
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So if you can find any sort of creative outlet, we make fun of like adults that
like use their imagination.
You don't use your imagination after the age of 12. like
they don't call it that then you're just being crazy but i
say that your imagination just shifts and becomes something
different like it becomes something creative and if
you you know write or journal or create podcasts or edit like it's awesome i
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have a blast taking a conversation that resonates with me like knock on wood
i've never had i've had one bad interview one bad and that was more a language
barrier and a technology barrier those two things kind of hit hard on that that one,
but like to take what's happening while I'm speaking to somebody and then try
and present it to the world. It's awesome. Like I love it.
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And trying to just catch that passion. And some people are really good at it.
And then some people not so good at it, but it, you know, it is what it is,
but we are getting towards the end of our episode.
So at the end of every episode, we do like to play a little game.
If you're interested, it is a rapid fire question segment where I pick four
or five questions and I try and tailor them to whoever I'm speaking with and
(38:35):
just rattle off answers if you're interested.
See what happens. All right. What is a book or podcast that has influenced your journey?
The book is The Four Agreements. The Four. I have it. It's upstairs.
Yep. My first job gave it to me. That's pretty funny.
Let's see. If life's checkmark had a tagline, what would it be?
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Check your life perfect it literally wrote itself let's see we already asked
one piece of advice for aspiring podcasts what's a memorable guest or episode from your own podcast,
that's a great question there's a lot of them the one i bring up a lot is the
woman that she was around 47 she had multiple personalities and she didn't realize
she still had them until something came up around that age and she was able
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to see all these people and she had i I think she had four of them that she had to get rid of.
And she claimed she cleared herself out and was living a happy life now.
But they were all stemmed from her past back when she was a child.
And she gave them labels and numbers because that was the age that they popped
up for whatever reason in her life.
(39:41):
Yeah. So it was pretty wild. And I met her through a Facebook group.
I had no idea who she was. And it was amazing.
And there's plenty more besides that one. But that was that you want a quick
rapid fire answer. There it is.
That's really, you know, I'm actually going to message you after this and I'm
going to ask for that episode specifically because now I want to listen.
And what is your favorite outdoor activity that you use to recharge?
(40:05):
Hiking. Hiking. You're big. Yeah. You're in Pennsylvania. Of course,
you're a big hiker. Yeah. Yeah. It's what else do in Pennsylvania.
But, you know, it's funny because I when I was working at my first job,
I worked at a martial arts school and we did retreats down in Pennsylvania.
And I remember just driving through it. I'm like, this is like the nicest place to just drive through.
Like, it's so, it's just so rural and so nice, but that is going to wrap us up.
(40:29):
John, thank you so much. If our listeners want to learn more about you or hear
some of your stuff, where are some of the places they can go?
I mean, they can check out my YouTube channel. I, you know, it's life's check
mark, you know, is the channel.
I also have Facebook, which I sent you the links. It'd be easier to just share all that stuff.
So, and you can find me mostly on Facebook if you want to chat,
you know, with Messenger or whatever, or my email is available.
(40:53):
JohnEmily33 at gmail.com. And all that stuff will be in the descriptions for you guys. Check it out.
And yeah, make sure you check out John's stuff. I already want to listen to
that one episode about the multi.
It's funny because I work at a job now where I have time on the road. I travel a lot for it.
So listening to podcasts, especially people that I've talked to,
I try not to listen to other podcasters' podcasts if I'm going to have them
(41:15):
on the show first, just so I'm totally fresh, because then I don't want it to
sound like I'm trying to cater to their show style.
But I love listening to podcasters after I've talked to them and then having
them back on to talk about their show more.
So just throwing that your way, just so you're there.
Awesome. But John, thank you so much for coming on. This was fantastic.
Yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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We're a couple of misfits, we're a couple of misfits. What's the matter with.
Music.
Misfits? That's where we fit in.
We're not Duffy and Dilly. Don't go round with a hilly.
Seems to us kinda silly. Hello everyone and welcome back to MF Uncensored.
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Don't forget if you guys are listening to us on the go, you can find us on Podbean,
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, basically anywhere you get your podcasts.
You can also find more of our content on our website, themisfitfaction.com.
There you'll find links to not only this show, but some of our other shows,
like the Multiverse Fan Cast and Cinematic Adventures.
As always, I'm one of your hosts, Paul, and with me via the Zoom studio is a
(00:42):
man who you're going to find out why, very specifically, his story resonated with me.
And he doesn't even know this yet, but I'm a child of divorce,
and I grew up in a divorce household,
so I saw the ups and downs, the good, the bad, And then it's not until I was
an adult, like in my 30s, that I learned so much more about what was going on behind the scenes.
(01:04):
And I feel like if I had a show or a podcast or something to listen to,
to support me during that time, it would have made a world of difference.
But it's my honor to introduce Mr. Jonathan Emery. Jonathan, how are you today?
Doing well. Thank you for having me. I'm really sorry that I totally caught you off guard.
I know we just did a whole pre-show and I didn't mention that,
you know, I was a child the divorce. And that was one of the biggest reasons
(01:26):
that when you messaged me, I was like, yes, got to have them on.
But you're good. Yeah. Wherever you want me to begin, I can go back to my childhood as, as well.
You know, I can just kind of share that, which I probably never shared with too many people yet.
Yeah, no, I, you know, it's funny because growing up and, you know,
obviously you'll tell your story about divorce and moving through it,
(01:47):
you know, divorce doesn't just hit the two people involved with it.
It impacts a lot of people. It impacts, you know, kids, cousins, families.
Like I still have stories and memories of my childhood of like,
bad stuff, but also so many of the good things. And now it's funny because both
my parents have remarried. They got divorced.
I'm 36. So 30 years ago, they got divorced. And it's so funny looking back on it now.
(02:12):
And then we do like a family event and like my step parents on either side are
like talking to each other.
And it's so strange now. And it's wild how that sort of thing changes.
But for our listeners, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit
about yourself self first yeah so as of
now i do have a full-time job still but i also had
a podcast which i do post at night primarily people coming
(02:36):
on sharing their journeys in life all different journeys you know i mean it
doesn't i don't really care where they're coming from what they went through
as long as they're open and vulnerable to talk about whatever they want to share
you know so that's been a blessing in disguise that's been for over a year i
do have a son who's almost 14 a daughter or who's almost 11 or is 11, I'm sorry.
And I had a daughter, which you might see in the background of the once in a while running rooms.
(02:59):
That's fine. We have a cat who's going to be running around at some point,
don't worry. We're good. We're good.
All right, for you, you mentioned having a full-time job now.
Why is that so significant?
Well, I got to have it to support myself and the kids, you know,
and the house that we had them born and raised in for the time being,
you know. So yeah, I have to have that.
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Unfortunately, you know, in a way, you know where i don't want to have something
like that i do have to have that this for that part and obviously there's child
support and all that good stuff to do with it too yeah so i lost you.
Oh sorry there we go you got me yep yeah
i got it all right i'll hit record again here we
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go all right so for our listeners though
you said you had a podcast what's the name of your podcast again life's check
mark life's check mark and you started it you said for about
a year you've been going yeah since november last
year i'm on episode 64 right about
now so i'm slowly doing like two a week almost now because
i got a lot of the backlog yeah i got so much of the backlog so
(04:01):
i'm trying to push more out quicker it's tough
but it's fun yeah what's been uh your
favorite challenge of podcasting so far favorite challenge
that's that's a great question it's learning all the ai
stuff right now to be honest with you there's a
lot out there and i played with a whole bunch of different
tools and there's not one that seems
(04:21):
to fit everything that i would want right so you know
like i tried i tried these scripts and everybody's like
oh i love that you know and it didn't didn't jive
with me for what i was looking for so i'm playing around with another tool
currently the more put out there for facebook post
and you know make everything more appealing in a way instead of me having to
sit there and type everything out now i do read through it all obviously because
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yeah because it doesn't pick everything up exact you know for instance the ones
i just did it says something about prisoner and stuff like that and it just
picked up the the wrong language.
So it had nothing to do with it. So you got to be really careful.
Yeah. So for the AI stuff, I use, I use chat GPT a little bit for,
you know, just structuring show notes and stuff like that, because in my brain, it's all there.
(05:05):
It's just putting it in order because otherwise I won't follow a script or anything
like that. I'm terrible.
I love these scripts. I'll be honest. I do use it for, it's funny.
I was using it before the AI stuff and now they just introduced it.
So I'm kind of not really using it too much, but I just found a a great AI tool
for our YouTube channel that I use that re-optimizes our videos.
(05:27):
So it like changes the descriptions a little bit, add thumbnails,
stuff like that. But it's funny because.
Sometimes same thing it'll pick up the wrong thing and do
an entire episode description i'm like that's not even what the episode's about it's
wild like we we live in this crazy time like my wife the producer of the show
producer melanie as we love to call her she she uses canva she's huge on camera
(05:50):
she's so good at it like she can make an entire presentation in four and a half
minutes and i'm still sitting there going how do i add shapes but like they
just added their ai tools to it too.
And I'm like, I can't, it's too much, way, way too much.
But let's, let's go back in time for your journey because it does start with
losing a 20 year job and navigating divorce almost at the exact same time.
(06:14):
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Yeah, absolutely. So I had a job. So first of all, my ex-wife,
I call her, it's my kid's mother.
I really don't want to call her ex-wife. That's just how I relate to her.
So we met when I was almost like 19 and she She was like 15,
16-ish. And then that was it.
So it was like, you know, for a while we were dating and then we wound up getting
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engaged. We got married and then we had the kids.
So throughout the whole time, like 19 years old, I had this job and I held it for 20 years.
I advanced a little bit in that company and I always wanted out, right?
I was like, yeah, I want out. So I was interested in real estate.
I bought a few investment properties and I never really stayed focused.
(06:59):
So I never really grew from that. Although that was like, yeah,
this is what I'm going to do.
You know, 20 years, let's see, it was around the COVID time.
So it was about almost three years ago, I lost my job and it wasn't due to COVID.
They just had another plant in another state and they said, oh,
this one's doing better. This one's not doing as well.
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So they just shut our doors, right? And my position was, I was in the logistics area.
So I was focusing on shipping, receiving, making sure the guys underneath me,
they had machines running with material all the time.
So around October, prior to me leaving, I left around in May of the following year.
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Around October, production stopped. So I saw like almost 50 some people walk
out the door around that time.
Yeah it was it was crazy because a lot of the guys were in the production area
you know and i had to stay there to focus on i mean basically this place was
four printing presses maybe six or seven eight slitters which is they took a
(08:04):
big roll and they cut it down the size.
And it was for food foil and paper and stuff we were producing printed and we
had i mean I mean, so the place is booming and then we have to take it down
to an empty shell, like literally, nothing.
So I was like one of the last three guys left to walk away and say,
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everything's gone. That was crazy. So-
I looked at it as like an opportunity, a blessing in disguise,
right? Like I wanted something like this to happen.
So I think not that I wanted that, but you know, it's like in my head,
like, okay, this is like the push, right? Okay.
What now? So I didn't know what to expect.
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And, you know, I, I knew some guy, he was in the insurance field and he's like,
oh, you're a great person. I'd love to take you on if you're interested.
So, and I was, I was interested and I explored that. I did that for almost six months or whatever.
I got one client, which was fun. It was the journey, I would call it,
(09:05):
of learning a whole different avenue.
I was never in sales. I was never into trying to connect with people.
I still find myself as an introvert, so I don't really went out there and network
or nothing. I never pursued that.
It was fun. It was a turning point for me. And unfortunately,
(09:25):
at that time, I guess things shifted in my marriage that I had.
And she wound up taking almost a full-time job.
The kids were home every once in a while for COVID.
And I was out of a job, so I was home with the kids when they were here.
And I was focusing on what I was doing during the day, even at night.
(09:47):
I was trying to build something.
And I still didn't know what I was doing. I was still learning,
right? So I'm making YouTube videos. They're still up there.
I don't do that anymore with the insurance, but they're still up there.
People watch them and I'll leave them there if somebody can get some value out of it.
But it turned out to a point where, yes, I didn't provide some areas in my life that I should have.
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But I was looking at the ultimate goal of this is where it can be if I just keep going. Right.
And, you know, somebody else probably didn't see that part and other things
were popping on the other side.
So anyways, long story short, for the divorce part, it came to a point where I didn't see it coming.
I had no idea. it so in my eyes
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there was some kind of uncommunic uncommunicated expectations
you know where i wasn't hearing anything
if nothing was we never had we sit down
discussions and unfortunately things unfolded and when i found out things were
not going as well as somebody wanted them to be i i went ahead i stopped doing
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the insurance thing right away and i got another job eventually you And it's not the one I have now,
but it was something that gave me something, right?
So it wasn't that. Anyways, we got divorced.
I mean, she brought the word up. So it was like in May of, I don't know,
almost three years ago. I really don't remember exactly.
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It's it's it's done, but it's been three years ago and I've come this May and
I'm just going to share with you the like the process on my end of like how
as a guy, you know, like I, I don't know. I don't want to say I put something on a pedestal.
I don't you know, but I, I always remember dates.
I always remember gifts, but you know, like that was me. me
like right i was showing up in the
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in the marriage in my eyes right and so
i i want to join i was i don't know if you listen to uh
dead edge podcast or not it's for men so
i listened to it a long time ago and then and then it came
back up and it was like january of that year before
she said something and i connected with a few great
guys that gone through some stuff or were going
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through it so i was able to call them everyone's watch you know
i'm trying to figure their shit out no curse away
but yeah okay all right yeah so i
was trying to figure it all out i got mentally emotionally i lost it i lost
like 20 20 pounds i couldn't sleep at night you know and this was before even
it even became a divorce word right so i reached out to a guy that was in the
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group and you know he had this like little course that you call it mastering Mastering,
I think mastering masculinity or something, somehow like bringing it back. Right.
So it was like a four week course.
And, you know, so I think it started like in April, the end of April.
And it wasn't my intentions to become better, to make the fixed things or anything.
But it's more for me to learn what I might have lost.
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And he explained it. You know, I don't know. There's feminine and masculine
in everybody. Right. Yeah.
What's his name? What's his name? you.
Jeremy okay because we just did an episode
with a guy named alan watts he calls uh he goes
by the title the love engineer and he same
kind of concept the masculine i was like i
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was about to say if it was the same person that i
would have but that's funny
also it there's so much of it out there now like i've never
i've never even heard of it right so i'm like so but
he explained it to me like she probably took on a masculine to
enroll with the job and everything and i took the feminine role
taking care of the kids and stuff and it made sense right it just
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it just flip-flopped and so anyways
i got to learn a little bit something about from what you had to share
through that course and talking to
these guys it kind of got me to a point to like
because i really didn't want anything to happen i i mentioned counseling i
mentioned all that and unfortunately somebody else
didn't want it it was too late whatever and
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it got to the point where she said the word i said
i'm done i'm like i'm tired of trying to figure it out you know
and so i was like in a state of
relaxation in a way you know i wasn't and i
was able to sleep then you know i mean it was kind of weird right you
know it's that relief you know it's like we're finally to finally be on the
same page and not necessarily in the right way but right right so fortunately
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and unfortunately in a way you know i didn't want it for my basically for kids
yeah um and i could dig into a little bit why you know on my end.
I, I, it was a blessing in disguise in a way, an opportunity,
because now I start the podcast, I start connecting to all these people.
I I've been to places I've never would have been to probably if I was still
married, you know, I wouldn't have got up and just, it was not me,
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you know, it was not me at the time, but I completely changed.
I, I focus on a lot of areas in my life, but I I'll come back to that if that's okay.
I just want to, I just want to go back and find a little
bit more you know because a lot of people in my in
my family they were divorced and like and i
grew up like i don't want this like i don't want these people i
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don't want to be divorced i don't want to be that person right so maybe i tried
a little too hard to keep it together i have no idea right but there's one thing
i found out when i was almost like 20 i moved out of the house and you know
it was me my my mom my dad and my sister so my sister decided decided to go to the Navy.
And so I left the house, she was leaving.
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And then we come to find out that my mom and my dad were divorced and we did not know.
And they were divorced a long time
ago and just decided to live with each other, try to make things work.
And once in a while, I was told, I remember a story that my dad told me, he passed,
but he told me that, I remember when you you
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were eight you asked me where my ring was and i said that's your mom that's that's
not your dad that's all you need to know and like that that stuck with me and
yeah so i mean like i'm sharing this because i don't know if them staying together
changed me and my sister for being raised and growing up but but looking back
me at me now growing up i'm like.
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I can only imagine all the misery and the pain and suffering they could have
gone through. Oh, yeah. To try to stick it out just for the kids, right?
So that's how I'm looking at it, too. Like, I wouldn't want that on my kids
if we were to try to make things work out.
You know, I don't see that as a benefit to anybody.
I'm not a professional in that area, you know, but I just don't see it.
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So that's where, you know, growing up and not knowing that is kind of an odd thing.
So with the coming back to like the
area part you know with me transforming in
a sense i i spoke just first emotionally
right i had to figure out how am i gonna make this work in a three-bedroom home
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yeah i'm still here right in a three-bedroom home with all this noise and stuff
and you know and coming home and you know dinner or whatever's made or whatever
it was and And it's not, it's not the same anymore.
So, you know, most of the time my house is empty and, you know,
I didn't have a dog at the time, so I didn't get, get her until probably a few
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years, almost a year ago.
And it was different. So I had to take that in. I had to take in the silence.
And for me, I had to accept that this is what life is right now and things will
get better, you know, and slowly things changed for me.
So I got the job I have now. Now, after we got divorced or after the word came
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up and then obviously paperwork and follow that, I got this job.
But anyways, that, but that became like an opportunity and so,
and that was like a blessing in disguise.
And so I, I, I just learned since then, since going through all this to start
accepting these opportunities, not, not just like push people away every once in a while.
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So I did that area. Right. And I want to say, like, you know,
I started more on a routine. I started meditating, writing in the journal almost a while.
I never, that never became a thing in mind, but it was there if I needed it.
Right. And I started to listen to YouTube videos, you know, for,
you know, motivation, whatever.
People that build you up, they're all over, M.I.L.A., let's drown.
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Yeah, right, right. But it was good. It was uplifting in a way.
They keep going, keep moving forward. And then every once in a while,
you hear they'll mention divorce or something. You're like, oh, yeah, that's me.
They're talking about me. That's right. Exactly. Yeah.
But that helps me in that area. And for whatever reason, I listened to a podcast
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and I forget who it was or whatever.
But the guy said, you know, just wake up and start saying thank you.
And he's like, it's really hard to do, you know, to make it a habit.
But once you keep going, you know, it sticks. So I started saying thank you. It took a while. Yes.
And the thank you was pretty much for being alive and to appreciate your life
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and to keep moving forward.
In my eyes, that's how I look at it. So I don't know how long it took for me
to do this, but it worked.
And then eventually sometime in January of this year, actually,
I started saying thank you, God.
Right. And that was never a thing of mine. I never really went to church,
you know, when I was a kid sometimes, but not as often.
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And so, you know, the whole spiritual thing started coming to me where I'm like,
I don't get this. This isn't this isn't me. Right. This is different. So what is this?
So, you know, I reach out to a friend and it's like, oh, maybe you just like exploring.
And he goes to church and stuff, you know, so no push, no nothing.
He's just like, look, if you want, you can come to the church, check it out.
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He recommended a bible that he had which
i don't print anymore so i found one on ebay so i bought that
it's it's it's a bible made
for fathers to translate it to their kids or something so yeah it's it's pretty
cool and it's like simple like english so i can understand as a kid who i don't
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want to say force force is a terrible word highly motivated and taken to to church every week.
Ironically enough, that was also part of my parents' divorce.
My father's side is Catholic, my mother's side is Lutheran. So we were raised
Lutheran, but we went to a church that was close to my dad.
So on the alternating weekends, my dad would drop us off at church and my mom would meet us there.
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And that was part of their setup, which I never really realized as a kid.
But growing up, religion was one
of those things we had to do and it's funny
i'm more interested in learning about religion now as an adult on
my own leisure than i ever was when
i was forced to wear my button-up shirt go to
sunday school like we did the whole thing sunday school
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confirmation like the whole nine and part of
that was my parent was like both my parents were like once you
get confirmed it's on you i'm like that's a
lot of responsibility for a 13 year old to decide right now
but it's just funny you bring bring that up because
obviously we're talking about divorce and we're talking and now religion and
i'm like oh man this is this is why i knew i knew we were gonna have a good
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conversation but anyway yeah sorry i interrupted keep going no you're you're
perfectly fine so yeah so i started reading the bible i still read it once in
the morning to every every day you know basically i.
Books whatever they call it i still you know i don't figure it all out but,
so i just do that just to take it in i've been praying since i've been going to church,
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almost every week not every week but you know when i
started i'm like look i'm going three three months in
a row like every week i missed one i think due to
the weather or a car breakdown i think so that's
that's become a thing in mind too it's like i'm trying to push myself to
do something for three months and make it like a habit or
something or become really good at something like that so i
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do take my kids because i have them on sundays and
you know it's a struggle sometimes because it's early and but
they you know they're accepting it i don't push
them as much as to sit with
me they don't want to do the sunday school thing they're all they're that's
not for me sometimes they'll sit with me you
know at church and watch everything going on or there's
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a lobby that i'm like look you're here you're gonna go out there they can watch
on the screen reading stuff yeah and listen to it i say like just take something
in and tell me what you've learned you know and that's what's been happening
recently i'm okay with that again i'm not pushing them you know just just come
with me and if they look they want to believe or whatever
in life that's up to that that's their choice i like that yeah yeah that's yeah
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i mean they're there i'm like there's one day we miss because my daughter didn't
get up in time i'm like look look, it's okay, you know, not a problem,
you know, and of course, she's upset, but, you know.
Things happen, I'm not, I wasn't too worried about it, but so that, that's been a big,
game changer for me spiritually, so, you know, lately, I've been trying to pray
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more at night, too, and just run through my day, like, thank you for this day,
you know, this is what happened, I do other vision boards, I kind of run through that as well,
you know, and just pray on what what my vision is
yeah so and then you know the other
area for me was the business part so i i i
had the whole i don't maybe somebody was watching me way back when right so
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where i was at you know working 20 years somebody had a gym set in their basement
and you know they were they were into lifting and they're like oh we're moving
to carolina but nobody wants to take this equipment At the time, I had a cargo van,
you know, the ones that nobody likes.
Watch out for that guy driving that van. Why does he have puppies? What?
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That's right. That was me.
No, I'm like, look, if nobody takes it, you know, let me know.
I have a cargo van and I have a room in the basement and I'll grab it for you.
So I did. I wound up getting it for nothing and sat in the basement.
I really never went to town with it until everything happened here with the divorce.
I worked out probably five days a week trying to do it on my own.
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I had the time and everything. I got results, but I didn't get the results I
wanted. So January came, I met somebody through an entrepreneur group and,
you know, I hired them as my trainer and now I do it three times a week.
And, you know, I'm happy with where I'm at. You know, I can watch what I'm eating more often.
So that's changed a lot for me, too. And that I mean, I recommend that to any
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guy just because it's more for mentality as well.
Oh yeah you know yeah it gets the aggression out
of you any depression you know whatever you
got going on in life if it's really getting to you it definitely
cleans it up a little bit that's actually what i was doing right before like
i same things so when my wife and i moved into our current home right before
covid we moved in in like 2019 like right like when they were just talking about
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this new coronavirus and we
moved in and there were two caveats whatever house we We were looking at,
we needed, she needed a spare room for her library and office.
And I wanted a fully done basement. Those were the two things that we were looking for more than anything.
We didn't care how many bathrooms there were. We didn't care about anything
else. Just those were the two things top of the list.
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So I managed to get not only a fully done basement, but there's one room for
my entire podcast set up, like the whole studio.
And then the other room is like a leisure room with my entire weight sex.
I love working out at home.
I'm a very big proponent for it. I went through a lot of issues with,
with body image and feeling certain ways.
And just, you know, it's, it's been a long road for me in that regards.
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But I first, when I first started working out, it was purely for the aesthetic.
It was purely like, I want to look like this. Like, I want to look like Brad Pitt from fight club.
Of like that's right like that's the ideal male form and then it was well i
want to work out now i'm finally at a point where i work out because i want
to be able to provide physically for my family like if i'm not taking care of
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myself how am i going to take care of anybody else.
And also yeah to release that stress that to
feel like just get that aggression out just like take
it all out on the on the mats and then go and about the rest of
my day i love it so it you know same thing
it's funny that you bring it up because my basement gym is literally right around
the the corner from my podcast setup awesome yeah that's
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awesome and that's the best thing to have right instead of just
going out down the road or whatever and trying to get to the gym and
you know it's kind of like right there other people
like to hang their clothes on them or whatever i'm told but well
that's why my wife wanted a peloton and she was like i want the
peloton bike i was like no we're not getting the four
thousand dollar bike with the membership just for
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it to turn into a coat rack she's like it's not gonna turn into a coat rack i
was like okay but here we are so it sounds like you went through a lot of transformative
steps after all this happened you know from from changing the way that you work
out and eat and also religion and you know starting a podcast and listening
to more motivational stuff where are you at now.
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Yeah. So great question. I, I've joined network groups, entrepreneur groups.
I've been to a mastermind back in November and slept under the same roof with almost 40 people,
you know, all different rooms, but still, I mean, it was just the environment
to be around these people that are kind of being, you know, allow you to be
who you are and lift you up and move you forward.
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And, you know, I met so many people, which now they, some of
them have come on the podcast and it is awesome
so there's that going on working on
building a force with helping other people you know
start a podcast and keep going because i find
people that started and then they fall off and then they come back or people
that don't know how to start and that you know what's the best mic out there
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i'm like come on because like you talk to people who want to start a podcast
and you know we we've done a few episodes like because our show mf uncensored
is topical and also interview based.
We bounce around between the two, depending on how many interviews I've scheduled for the month.
But like we've done episodes about how like we started our podcast.
We started our podcast. The Multiverse Fan Cast was our first show and it's still going on.
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Still something that we do more leisurely. But we started in a giant room like
I kid you not at a job that my buddy and I worked at with one blue Yeti snowball microphone.
And if you listen to our first episode, which is still one of our most listened
to episodes, which is hilarious. It is atrocious.
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It literally sounds like we're in the middle of a freeway and you can kind of
hear what we're saying, but...
It is, it's, it's rough, but, and then it was like, all right,
well, we recorded now what we had no clue. Like, how do we find a hosting site?
How do we do this? Like it's, it's wild.
And I think having people out there that want to encourage other podcasters,
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because podcasting is a very saturated market right now.
Everybody and their grandma has a podcast at this point. I remember I used to
have to explain what a podcast was like, and people would be like, what's a podcast.
I'm like, it's like an internet radio show. They're like, you're on the radio.
Know the internet and now uh
we were watching the most recent ghostbusters movie and there's a character named
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podcast in it i'm like that's where we are
now like people know what they are so like for you
if somebody comes to you and they're like hey i want to start a podcast what's
kind of like can you kind of walk me through what your process would be yeah
firstly why you know what what's going to make you do it and the other the other
big thing is my question is if nobody listens to it would you keep going you
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know because that's that's to me that's the key right Right.
But I'm I'm loving what I do because I get to network and connect with all these people.
But if nobody's listening, will you keep going? And for me, the answer is yes,
because, you know, I'm enjoying it a lot.
Now there's people listening. I know that.
But a lot of people will say, I'm just starting because I want to I want to
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monetize this thing. I want to make money.
And, you know, you know, that's not the case.
Like it doesn't that doesn't happen overnight. night. Now, people make money
because they already have a big name for themselves and then they go,
oh, I'm sorry, podcast. And then they have all these likes and then whatever.
So I would first start thinking that out that,
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you know, it's not all going to happen overnight. You know, be prepared.
And it's good. It takes time. It takes work.
I am currently doing it by myself. And, you know, like I shared with you,
I do use AI, which has been recently, you know, that's that's middle. It's all new stuff.
So you can get a team, you can pay for it. We have money, you know,
but I think learning it and then maybe handing it off later would be something to do.
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And then the other thing would be, you know, we could talk, you know, where it's audio video,
you know, we had this little discussion in the beginning i i
think if anything do both that way you
have both ready to go and if you ever just want just you have
the video available and then you could broadcast it out if you want when you're
on them but at least you have it that's how i look at it and i'll be honest
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with you i've seen more growth on my end with the videos right now as well especially
with youtube like it like you were talking about earlier and i don't know why
but man if that's what people People want to watch, listen to,
whatever you mean, go for it.
But I do know YouTube's picking up with the podcasting world real quick.
Oh, yeah. So I've noticed that.
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The other, another quick thing I would share would be to connect with other podcasters.
And that, for the simple fact of finding out what they do, you know,
their strategies, not everything.
I mean, they're all going to be different. And, you know, because they're all
going to be different in a way.
Like i might be posting more on youtube than on tick tock or whatever right
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and some but you know you got to figure out your social media platform too that
if you want to advertise there which one will it be you know i i play with a
whole bunch of them and you have to stick with one or two,
you know and and be really good at it and let that be your that's your baby
you know and learn it inside and out i'll share real quickly the ai stuff i
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found no tools unless you found them platform where you can take your video,
share it to any platform you want,
but you can go ahead and edit the way that you want it on that platform.
It, it does not have, I have not found it because I found one,
there was one called repurpose and it was pretty good, but it didn't have the editing.
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It was basically, you had to put your thing there first and then it would repurpose it out.
It's funny because that's the biggest problem. I think it's also kind of a scam.
All these companies kind of know that, hey, somebody wants to take this video,
put it into this, and then have it do all these things.
No, we'll have this one do this and this one do this and $15 a month per platform.
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That's right. It sucks. Unfortunately, AI, as great as it is for certain things,
it's not always going to catch the right stuff. stuff.
And I've used AI for, for article help.
I've used it for like all sorts of things. I've tried chat, chat GPTs,
like premium features, which are okay.
But then that was the thing I wanted one that did everything in chat.
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GPT was like, Hey, we're introducing plugins.
I'm like, Oh, cool. So it's like, Hey, perfect article.
Like you type in and it writes it out for you. Cool. Get that.
And then it's like, well, you have five articles and then you have to start
are paying for our service. I'm like, I'm already paying for a service. I can't.
And for the most part, like I have a team of co-hosts, but when it comes to
like doing all the behind the scenes stuff, it's usually on me, which is fine.
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Cause I actually strangely enjoy doing most of it.
But yeah, unless you have like the money to set up a team or something like that.
Like I looked into YouTube automation where basically
it's like you hire a team and they create YouTube youtube
videos for you and i was like all right let me
look into this so i i met with a guy who does it and
he's like all right so you would need to start up like five grand i'm
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like and this conversation's so dumb if i
had five grand to piss away on youtube i wouldn't be trying to piss money away
on youtube but it's funny because like with all these great technological stuff
it's still they're still not the perfect creator one which is wild to think
like you would think that that That would be their market to get the creators,
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like even like your Twitch streamers and your YouTube stars,
your podcasters, like people that do because podcasting is now a medium that
is spread to all sorts of places.
It's not just purely Apple podcast. And that was it.
So, yeah, we're still years away, I think, from getting the perfect editing AI.
Yeah. Even if we ever get that right. So with the whole YouTube thing,
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repurpose, now that YouTube, you can link your clips to your full episode if you do it in YouTube.
You can't do that in repurpose. You can't do that in any other of those sites I've ever tried.
So that's the little stuff that you want.
And if you can't find it, you're going to have to stick with the one on TikTok
or YouTube and using their tools because they make it that way.
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It's just the way it is. yeah it's just like Facebook like I can post something
on Facebook online on the computer and,
Unless you guys know something I don't know, it doesn't go to Instagram right
away, right? Yeah. But if you do it on your app, you know, you can have a good run. Yeah.
So, yeah. They got you. You know what I mean? Well, that was my biggest issue
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with video because I would record.
I have a very nice Mac computer that does it all. It has all my editing stuff.
But then trying to get it from here to my phone, I was like, it's like a process.
Process like i have to first get the
clips put the clips together put them onto a google drive then
pull them onto my phone then send them
and then delete them off my phone because now my storage is getting too high
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you know repurpose was fine for that sort of stuff because you linked your accounts
and it did it for you but i don't know it just it wasn't for me and again i'm
spending money like all this money like our podcast has gone through really
cool waves of of success.
Like we have less than a hundred episodes and we're up to 13,000 downloads, which is awesome.
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This show is the one that we started most recently about a year or two ago.
So like, it's been a wild ride. It got sponsored for a while.
Like we, we were very grateful for our good friend, Neil, who sponsored the
show when it first started to get it going.
And we had a publicist, like we had the whole nine and then just,
it, it got overwhelming. It got exceptionally overwhelming.
So like when I talk to people who want a podcast, I go, it's great It's great
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when things are going really well, but it can, you can get burnt out so quick.
And that's why, like, we had to take a step back at one point and we're like,
all right, let's reevaluate what our show is going to be, where we're like,
as much as I would love to do this full time, it got to a point where this became
a full time job on top of a full time job. And I was like, nice.
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I can't, it's too much. I hear you, but I enjoy it. Just like you do,
like with the Eddie part, you know, I enjoy that too.
I'm like, I gotta make this right. This looks good, this feels good, yeah.
Yeah, it's my favorite. I don't, it's exciting. Like it's creating.
And I think that as we get older, our imagination goes away and like our ability to create goes away.
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So if you can find any sort of creative outlet, we make fun of like adults that
like use their imagination.
You don't use your imagination after the age of 12. like
they don't call it that then you're just being crazy but i
say that your imagination just shifts and becomes something
different like it becomes something creative and if
you you know write or journal or create podcasts or edit like it's awesome i
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have a blast taking a conversation that resonates with me like knock on wood
i've never had i've had one bad interview one bad and that was more a language
barrier and a technology barrier those two things kind of hit hard on that that one,
but like to take what's happening while I'm speaking to somebody and then try
and present it to the world. It's awesome. Like I love it.
(38:13):
And trying to just catch that passion. And some people are really good at it.
And then some people not so good at it, but it, you know, it is what it is,
but we are getting towards the end of our episode.
So at the end of every episode, we do like to play a little game.
If you're interested, it is a rapid fire question segment where I pick four
or five questions and I try and tailor them to whoever I'm speaking with and
(38:35):
just rattle off answers if you're interested.
See what happens. All right. What is a book or podcast that has influenced your journey?
The book is The Four Agreements. The Four. I have it. It's upstairs.
Yep. My first job gave it to me. That's pretty funny.
Let's see. If life's checkmark had a tagline, what would it be?
(38:56):
Check your life perfect it literally wrote itself let's see we already asked
one piece of advice for aspiring podcasts what's a memorable guest or episode from your own podcast,
that's a great question there's a lot of them the one i bring up a lot is the
woman that she was around 47 she had multiple personalities and she didn't realize
she still had them until something came up around that age and she was able
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to see all these people and she had i I think she had four of them that she had to get rid of.
And she claimed she cleared herself out and was living a happy life now.
But they were all stemmed from her past back when she was a child.
And she gave them labels and numbers because that was the age that they popped
up for whatever reason in her life.
(39:41):
Yeah. So it was pretty wild. And I met her through a Facebook group.
I had no idea who she was. And it was amazing.
And there's plenty more besides that one. But that was that you want a quick
rapid fire answer. There it is.
That's really, you know, I'm actually going to message you after this and I'm
going to ask for that episode specifically because now I want to listen.
And what is your favorite outdoor activity that you use to recharge?
(40:05):
Hiking. Hiking. You're big. Yeah. You're in Pennsylvania. Of course,
you're a big hiker. Yeah. Yeah. It's what else do in Pennsylvania.
But, you know, it's funny because I when I was working at my first job,
I worked at a martial arts school and we did retreats down in Pennsylvania.
And I remember just driving through it. I'm like, this is like the nicest place to just drive through.
Like, it's so, it's just so rural and so nice, but that is going to wrap us up.
(40:29):
John, thank you so much. If our listeners want to learn more about you or hear
some of your stuff, where are some of the places they can go?
I mean, they can check out my YouTube channel. I, you know, it's life's check
mark, you know, is the channel.
I also have Facebook, which I sent you the links. It'd be easier to just share all that stuff.
So, and you can find me mostly on Facebook if you want to chat,
you know, with Messenger or whatever, or my email is available.
(40:53):
JohnEmily33 at gmail.com. And all that stuff will be in the descriptions for you guys. Check it out.
And yeah, make sure you check out John's stuff. I already want to listen to
that one episode about the multi.
It's funny because I work at a job now where I have time on the road. I travel a lot for it.
So listening to podcasts, especially people that I've talked to,
I try not to listen to other podcasters' podcasts if I'm going to have them
(41:15):
on the show first, just so I'm totally fresh, because then I don't want it to
sound like I'm trying to cater to their show style.
But I love listening to podcasters after I've talked to them and then having
them back on to talk about their show more.
So just throwing that your way, just so you're there.
Awesome. But John, thank you so much for coming on. This was fantastic.
Yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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Right.
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That's sponsorship.podbean.com slash misfit faction.
And welcome back, everyone. We want to thank you guys for listening.
That That episode was a lot of fun. John and I really clicked.
And afterwards, we kept on talking.
And, you know, he's been such a big supporter. If you are on any of our social
media, he's always very quick to like our stuff.
We still message every once in a while. In fact, a lot of the guests that I've
(42:44):
spoken to, I referred over to John because his podcast, Life's Checkmark, is fantastic.
So make sure you guys check it out on YouTube and make sure you guys leave a
comment saying that you heard him here on our show or you saw him on our show.
And speaking of which, make sure you guys also head over to our YouTube channel,
which has been recently monetized. we were having so much fun.
If you guys want to see the actual video to this episode, it's up there as well
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