October 8, 2025 • 44 mins
In this urgent and emotional episode of MiCannaCast, hosts CannaDave and Groovee break down HB 4951, the proposed 24% wholesale cannabis tax that threatens to dismantle Michigan’s cannabis industry from the inside out.
🎙️ With raw, unfiltered commentary, they share what it was like protesting at the Capitol, witnessing firsthand how budtenders, growers, delivery drivers, processors, HR reps, and thousands of working-class families could soon lose their livelihoods. This isn’t just about cannabis — it’s about jobs, homes, stability, and the heart of a thriving local economy being pushed to the brink by policy.
💥 You’ll hear how:
This episode brings the human stories to the forefront — because behind every cannabis brand or business is a person trying to pay rent, raise kids, and build a life. And this bill threatens all of that.
📢 Plus, find out:
⏱️ Chapter Timestamps
📌 0:00 – Welcome & Sponsor Shoutouts
📌 1:24 – What is HB 4951? Overview & Breakdown
📌 4:11 – Lansing Protest: MICIA Rally & Community Mobilization
📌 6:04 – HR Perspective: Jenna’s Powerful Speech
📌 8:09 – Why the 24% Tax Hurts Everyone (Even You!)
📌 13:13 – Who Voted Yes/No on HB 4951 (Senator Callouts)
📌 18:17 – Governor Whitmer’s History with Cannabis
📌 20:15 – Why This Tax is a Slippery Slope for the Industry
📌 23:23 – The Ripple Effect: Jobs, Brands, and Real Lives
📌 32:04 – Does This Actually Fix Roads? (Spoiler: Nope)
📌 35:49 – Legal Action, Lawsuits, and What’s Next
📌 41:07 – Final Thoughts: The Broken Budget System
📌 44:07 – Closing: Advocate. Educate. Inspire. ✊
🎙️ With raw, unfiltered commentary, they share what it was like protesting at the Capitol, witnessing firsthand how budtenders, growers, delivery drivers, processors, HR reps, and thousands of working-class families could soon lose their livelihoods. This isn’t just about cannabis — it’s about jobs, homes, stability, and the heart of a thriving local economy being pushed to the brink by policy.
💥 You’ll hear how:
- Dispensaries shut their doors in solidarity
- Thousands rallied in Lansing, chanting for jobs
- Workers fear resume gaps and long-term career damage
- Patients may lose access to affordable, safe medicine
- Families who rely on this industry could face economic devastation
This episode brings the human stories to the forefront — because behind every cannabis brand or business is a person trying to pay rent, raise kids, and build a life. And this bill threatens all of that.
📢 Plus, find out:
- Who voted yes and no on the bill
- What Governor Whitmer’s role has been
- Why this tax won’t even fix roads (but might fuel lawsuits)
- How the black market might explode again if legal access collapses
⏱️ Chapter Timestamps
📌 0:00 – Welcome & Sponsor Shoutouts
📌 1:24 – What is HB 4951? Overview & Breakdown
📌 4:11 – Lansing Protest: MICIA Rally & Community Mobilization
📌 6:04 – HR Perspective: Jenna’s Powerful Speech
📌 8:09 – Why the 24% Tax Hurts Everyone (Even You!)
📌 13:13 – Who Voted Yes/No on HB 4951 (Senator Callouts)
📌 18:17 – Governor Whitmer’s History with Cannabis
📌 20:15 – Why This Tax is a Slippery Slope for the Industry
📌 23:23 – The Ripple Effect: Jobs, Brands, and Real Lives
📌 32:04 – Does This Actually Fix Roads? (Spoiler: Nope)
📌 35:49 – Legal Action, Lawsuits, and What’s Next
📌 41:07 – Final Thoughts: The Broken Budget System
📌 44:07 – Closing: Advocate. Educate. Inspire. ✊
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome to a new episode of Mechanic. Guess I'm Canon Dave,
and I hope you're all doing well. We're back back
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Sorry, is with everything going on with the Bill brother? Well,
if you're paying attention, was going on Michigan Market, you
work for the Michigan Market. That's all.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Before we get in this, let's just give a shout
to all.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
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that make this possible. Without y'all, we wouldn't be able
to do this. So and everybody tuning in, I hope
y'all had a good week.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, so I hope everyone's personal life is going well.
But I can speak for a lot of people in
the market. If you're not already like nervous for your job,
this this this episode probably won't help because like at
the end of the day, we really don't know the
outcome of this bill, and like, you know, seeing the
peer power of the community, how many people like this
(01:45):
was clearly affecting you know, David, So let is breakdown.
Let's back up a little bit. Let's just let's back
up for a second here.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think we need to give them like a breakdown.
If you haven't been seeing anything.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that's exactly, so like stop. First off, today we're
talking about House Bill four nine five one say hope
four nine and one, well, hold on gideo or sodown
So four nine to five to one. It's a bill
that essentially was trying to add twenty four more percent
text to the sixteen that's already there, the ten on
the six that's added to the wholesale side of things.
(02:18):
Now there's twenty four percent tax. Maybe not directly affect
you know, every consumer, it's going to in some way
because a lot of companies survive of wholesale. A lot
of people deal with wholesale in many different aspects. A
lot of your favorite companies that might be fifty percent
of their income, you know with that, Yeah, I mean
with yeah in the hall and also so and then
(02:39):
so today we're going to kind of discuss the ripple
effect of how many jobs, who this can affect, who's
making this decisions that are even doing this craft just
kind of break it all down and kind of just
talk about it. So that's a little bit of background.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, so this happened, so a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,
about a couple of weeks ago. The House of Representatives
ass to bill like in the afternoon, like Thursday, Thursday
evening or something, to put this into the budget bill
for Michigan's budget. So obviously the government runs on a
budget because it's it's weird the people, so they need
(03:14):
a budget to go into every year, so they slip
try to slid this in. So then Friday, the next day,
this hit and everybody within the canvas indus she started
like talking about it. You might have seen a post
on our social media if you didn't, there was a
gathering at the Hall or at the Capitol and Lansing
on Tuesday, September thirtieth, which I think was last week,
and it was for say no and talking to Congress
(03:37):
and the Senators that were going to vote on it.
And this is because they couldn't vote on this, they
need five days in the state of Michigan, I believe,
to vote something into law. So by five days it
was Tuesday, and the bill had to be passed. The
budget blood be passed before October first, so which was Wednesday.
So within all in the community in the state of Michigan,
you saw everyone coming together for the most part. I mean,
(03:58):
we'll get into probably the bad as well, but up
leading up to it, you have a lot of the community.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know right now we're just talking about around there
we have I have a lot of thoughts and opinions
on it all as well. But you had we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, m CIA had a gathering nine o'clock Tuesday, Capitol Hill.
We're pretty much a lot of brands were right at
the sidewalk funneling as the senators were walking in.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yesh, save our jobs. Okay, So so let's break this
down a little bit. Like I know, it was an
all day protest. It was nine to five. You know,
we shared the pops were down there, shared the post.
I mean you were there to Thursday Tuesday, So yeah,
talk about a little bit. I mean obviously you were
just I mean, I didn't want to cut you off
because you obviously were already talking about it. But I
guess let me ask you something. So as you were
(04:43):
approaching the energy that you felt there, like how did
it feel being there? That's that's more because obviously you
can describe it, like because you could see the videos,
but until you were like watching that video of everyone
chanting in the capitol, like I could feel it through
the phone, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean
if you didn't even I was stuck, couldn't get there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah no, no, no, I mean even if you haven't
seen the content, definitely check out our page my chnra.
It was unreal a little bit because that the whole
community came together, like pretty promptly. I'm not gonna liable.
Was it four days? Everyone there was you know, there
had to be like a thousand people within the day,
Like every there was people coming that came in the morning.
We left. I saw people that came in the afternoon.
(05:21):
You know, I was there from I think I got
there around nine forty. Every supposed to get there at
nine I got. Took a little bit longer get out there,
but still made it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It Just the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Atmosphere was unreal because you had all these brands, all
these people, consumers, business owners, bud tenders, growers, CEOs, everybody
on the capitol fighting for this plant right here.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
See how many people are in the community too, You
know how many people like you know, all different ranges
of people. I mean, you know, you brought a bud
tender stuff, but you're alls talking about like accountants, business executives.
Everyone came. I heard that people were shutting down, disposed
to like two people there.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I know a lot of people like move on mad
they they bought, they bought, should out, said Jenna. She
came on her podcast she runs HR from Muha. She
did a phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Speech, Jenna. She talked about that back because's I was saying,
there's a lot of back ends people don't even talk about.
We don't. Yeah, she does HR.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
She has a lot of the hiring, hiring and stuff
for the company, and great interview check it out, but
her speech hit me. It's on her page, but they brought.
They they brought. There had to be like one hundred
two hundred people just from Muha itself. It felt like
they're I mean, they bought subs for everybody, Jimmy John subs.
Like they had like boxes full subs, did you not
(06:35):
like like not full subs but cut up like for people.
They had water, you have, Northern Connections had water, Gelatto
had water. Like people brought stuff and shared that within
the community. Will shout out to Wojo and the team
over there. They had their whole team out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oh man, there was a lot of people from the
community there, you know what I mean. They looked like
they shot the whole It looked like a lot of teams. Man.
Everyone was there and everyone who couldn't be there. I
mean you were like me just tapping in on and
streams and I was sharing shit immediately on the streams
and on the Instagram. I was like, I wanna do something.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was it was unreal and like I was saying,
it started off with save our jobs. People were chanting.
So the centers had to walk past all these people
and there's fifty thousand people in the state.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Of That's what that line was out leading up out doors,
so you had you had like a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, you had billboards by the moving billboard trucks. You
had three of those boom boom boom against the lawn.
And then the sidewalk going diagonal, the sidewalk going diagonal
up to the capitol to get into the capitol, had
the tunnel of people with the signs and everything, and
that's what you were seeing. And then as everyone's chanting,
I mean, it's just felt power to the people, you
(07:39):
know what I'm saying, Like it just felt surreal, like
you're able to And then after.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That, well also like the I mean the people one
hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent. I just I just
like you forget, like you really see how much this
bill is going to affect people. Now, see that's like
was my point in the beginning, that everyone like, oh,
it's twenty four spent whole wholesale tax. You know that
doesn't necessarily affect me. So you know, somebody will might
I'll be out there who don't smoke wheed a lot
might be like, you know what, it's better to fix
(08:03):
the roads. But people don't really understand that this is
already so detrimental to a fragile market. Right, this is
already dealing with people.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Margins already super slim, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They can't do a lot of right, like a lot
of like layers to that, right, a lot of things
that these companies have to deal with, and that they're
already Teichottering, you're gonna you're gonna break the market, and
then what do you You're gonna So my favorite thing
about all this is you break the market, you're getting
twenty four percent of less.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No probably even double that if you think about it,
because you're.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Saying you increase the taxes that get more money for
the roads. But now since you're gonna crush the market,
you're gonna get less money in the market. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely absolutely, You're just making less money overall, which is
that's what drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's gonna be detrimental, and that's why you're seeing so
many groups and people are coming together, you know, right
now to talk about it and fight for it. Oh yeah,
and going back to it. So I want to go
back to the story. So if you're not caught up
at all, Tuesday, phenomenal day at the Capitol, like Groovy
was saying, We went inside the Capitol, which is mind
blowing for me. Went inside the Capitol and then we
(09:03):
were chanting and there's like three four levels, right, and
you just see everyone chanting like save our jobs, and
it's just echoing throughout the chamber. We got to sit
in the Senate, sit in the Senate building or the
Senate whatever where they vote and stuff. Right, these people
recess all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I was sharing the watch, I'm like, this is crazy.
They spend more time in recess than they do actually sessions.
I was in there, wonder where I took three and
a half days.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It was it was unreal. It's so frustrating because you're like, seriously,
like this is what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Because to us it's like it's obviously, so like it
should just be a no, right, Like it's obvious. So
for us, we're like, you know, why is this taking
longer than the session? You know what I mean? But yeah,
and so I was able to do that. We had
sepe guys, and yeah, you felt the speeches, you know
what I mean. Shout out to Summer from our team.
She couldn't make it because she's busy as all hell
right now. But we will be doing a fall up
(09:55):
with her because I want to break down a lot
of her thoughts. Really, she was there till two am
the first day, like she didn't leave, like Summer was
out there, and I think the whole thing that I
really appreciate that it's like, you know, people that were
there like till two am were just like, Okay, we
want to know, you know, what's gonna happen. And it's
like they didn't make the decision till what Friday at three.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
As so people went Wednesday, the protesters, and then you
had Thursday. I believe Minton, Cannico, Jars, all them were
out there protesting as well. Looked like pretty packed Thursday,
and they stayed there all night and then they didn't
pass the fucking bill excuse me, language, fucking bill until
like three in the goddamn morning when everyone's sleeping and
(10:38):
everybody's like, oh, one fun, fun fact I overheard when
I was at the Capitol on Tuesday, and they're talking like, hey,
so when are they going to vote? Like there was
a lot of like talk going on where it was like, Yo,
it's gonna go down to ten percent, it's gonna go
this is all hearsay I was asking everybody that I
knew that had a connection be like, yo, what's going
on right? Let me know get in And one of
the security people said, yeah, they're not going to vote
(11:00):
all you are gone? Are you guys all gonna be
here till midnight? Like that's what one of the security
guards said to somebody. And I was like, oh, that's
hilarious because it makes sense. They they were probably like
freaking out because you get all these people here, like
you're you're because then you're voting literally at the people
going yeah, I don't care about your job.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Insane. This needs to pass.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And also why they get scared their own will being
that's just what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And then also which they should never be scared, because
you should never harm a politician ever, Like it's just
just go out of office, that's what you do.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Also, if you're doing something that wrong, maybe you should
check yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Maybe those lobbyists are paying some.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
People, because like it doesn't even make sense, like the
whole thing it was so close to like.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That, yeah, it's uh. And then so then Thursday came
and this is what cracks me up. So Wednesday I
heard that Tuesday. So Wednesday happened Thursday, having people are
out there protesting again and Thursday night, but I think
the Speaker of the House came out with an article
and said it's past the cannabis tax twenty four percent tax,
(12:05):
or shut the government down. It's like, shut the government
down is where I'm mating. But like, in all honesty,
it's like I that type of bullshit politicking to me
is the worst. It's either like it's this or that.
It's like, okay, does even makes sense? You're gonna shut
the entire government down? And they only even miss.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like that's honestly the biggest problem with a lot of
politics that it's like this or that, left or right.
It's like, man, this isn't bipartisan. Most shit is just
like a good morals something that's my thing. It's like
and if Gretchen big Gretch doesn't understand that this bill
is gonna screw up the market in less money than
she never understood what she was voting on in the
first place. And that's why I like it. And that's
why Okay, let's do this right now, because I want
(12:45):
to talk about this because I actually pull up this
picture and I have articles, so I'm gonna pull up
the picture, so if you're like watching on your phone
or YouTube screen, try to take a picture so you
know if they're in your district, vote no for these
people who vote it yes and same song. So I'm
going to read the names to vote them, because I
(13:06):
think it's important that we put the names out there
for the people who voted. You know, they're, in my opinion,
the right ways and wrong ways. Because again I understand
that right and wrong is a matter of opinion, but
also to me, it's like when you're eliminating thousands affecting
possibly tens of thousands of jobs, you know what I mean,
Like I just don't understand, like and it's it's like
(13:27):
you're you're literally just like crippling a new market too,
like relatively new.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Markets even ten years old exactly, so it's not even
fully legal.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You want to sell the bill passed nineteen to seventeen,
which is annoying, is shit? Do we want to start
with the ones who went against the bill to know,
let's do let's do the good people first. So leading
that charge, I saw a bunch of interviews by Jeff Irwin, Democrat,
by Senator Thomas albert A Republicanda Lowell, Joseph Bellino, republicanam
(13:59):
On Row, John Bumpstead, Republican of North Mistegan John Demo's
Republican of Harbor Springs, Roger huck Republican of Mount Pleasant,
Kevin Hartel, Democrat at A Saint Clair Shores, Michelle hoytinga
Republicana maintain I don't even know man is Mark huzinga Republicana,
(14:20):
Walker Ruth Johnson, Republican of Groveland, Johnson Lindsay, Republican of
Cold Water, sen him a minority leader. Are Nesbitt, Republican
a Porter Township, Jim Runson, Republican of White Lake, Sylvia,
Santie's the Democrat of Detroit, Sioux Shink Democrat out of
North Township, Lawnsley's a Republican of Brighton, and Michael Webber,
(14:44):
Republican at Rochester Trails. I guess you are right, there's
only three. I thought there was four or five Democrats.
But I also do just see. I guess I saw
because bipartisan, in my opinion, that's like it's bipartisan.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You can't So those were who those were the ones
that we voted no, voted no. So those are our guys. Yeah,
we're trying to get the thank you, Thank you each
and every one of you, honestly, thank you. Do you understand,
you know, you truly understand what this is gonna do
to jobs?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, you see there, you see the backgro picture, not
just the fact that like roads are bad. Like because
the roads are bad, but we always make a new
bill that's gonna fix the roads. And guess what they don't.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what, I'm gonna run for Senate how someone day,
and I'm gonna take our trucking limit down to normal
federal regulations, dude, one hundred and sixty to eighty thousand pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That much Funny because you people used to say pot
for potholes. Now it's like it's not the same anymore.
But back in the day, it was just trying to
get it legal, you know whatever. Not the same right now,
not the same anymore. Definitely not the same because you're
screwing the market well already getting the ones that the
ones that we don't want, the ones that we voted
yes and should still be on the screen hopefully h
(15:51):
voted yes. Did support was Brinks the falling Senators Sarah Anthony,
Democrat at Lansing Rosemary Bayer West Bloomfield Democrat, Darwin Cabiria Democrat, Trenton,
Mary Kavanaugh Democrat, a Referend Township, Stephanie Chang Democrat, Detroit,
John Cherry Democrat, Flint, Kevin Day Republican, loom Erica Gays
(16:15):
Geese Democrat, Taylor Veronica, Kenlfeldt Democrat, East Point, Dan Lowers Republican,
Brockway Ed McBroom Republican, Vulcan Sean McCann Democrat, Kalamazoo, Malroy
mcmarow Democrat, Royal O, Jeremy Moss Democrat, Bloomfield Township Boom
(16:35):
Daniel Milansky Democrat, Livonia, Sam Sing Democrat, East Lansing Roger
Victoria Republican, George Township and Paul Wojn Democrat, Warren So.
I mean, and I see what you were saying, how
it is definitely meaning you know way it To me,
it's like I think what it is is that maybe
(16:56):
it wasn't voted by partisan, but I think it's a
bipartisan issue. And that's I guess to me because to
me it is right, But people are considering it like this,
it's only about the money. It's only about the roads,
but it's like it's affecting people's lives, people's families. It's
like a people thing like and a business thing. So
that's why when I say it's a Byparson issue, sometimes
I look at left and right as like Republican is
(17:17):
leaning more towards like the finances, and sometimes left is like, okay,
what do the people need first? Not the finances first?
Like now the business site, right, we'll figure out the
money layer type, you know. I mean that's not necessarily right,
but I'm talking about in a financial aspect here.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah. No, I mean I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And I think that's why maybe you saw the votes
that way, because it was more of a financial decision.
I don't know, that's the only reason why I was
saying it like that. Yeah, no, no, I got you.
I just when I heard morals are different, I try
to look at it as but you know, there's definitely
moreld that. Definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
This one just feels was heavy, but it was heavy
leaning on the Republicans. SI. That's why it was just
more shocked.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's interesting. Well, it's interesting because to me it is
To me, it's a by partisan issue.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's just that it's a Republicans didn't want cannabis legal.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And that's what makes me think that there was some
lobbying involved, because obviously there's I'm lobbyist that they got
the parties to believe can devote a certain way. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I just I was shocked
at because a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Because be honest, you brought up Whitmer Wimmer back cannabis
when it was coming through. She I think she got
elected governor in eighteen when cannabis went legal. I could
be wrong. Can you check that for me? Sorry, was
Whitmer's first year as governor in twenty eighteen, so I
think that's when we legaled cannabis and she petitioned. If
I'm not mistaken, she rallied with cannabis.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
She was at she gave us politic I say this
all the time in it's just.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's so shot. It was twenty nineteen, Okay, so it
was it was after them she did the hashbash though
she did a speech at Hashpash.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So yeah, but politicians always say what they need to get.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's just funny how quick she turned her her head
on the industry because she had thirty two percent back
in February, we all heard that and then it went
down to twenty four percent, and then it's just mind blowing.
That's just it sucks because like seeing every seeing everyone
there at the capitol and then seeing like this post
on social media and stuff and funny. What's not funny
(19:08):
is like people in the black market like, oh, it's
not gonna affect us, Oh, it definitely will affect you.
I've already seen an article posted in my canapros about
a raid on a house that had two houses. You
know what I'm saying. So like it was over a
lot over plan count like obviously, so obviously do your
stuff to the law and stuff. But like they're gonna
be going to the black market, like this can come
(19:29):
after home girls. It's just them like doing one thing today.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So you're looking at it as like you know, they're
eventually gonna come after other grow ups. I was thinking
more or less people are from the metric market are
going to go back to that black market, so you're
gonna create more competition. Oh correct, It's like a double
headed sort of yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then with going with what you're saying, I was
gonna get into that too. They can produce so much
more compared to someone that just does it out of
their house, and they can drop the price, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So it's like, you're.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Not gonna be like it's gonna it's not. This is
not good for anybody. That's why I hate when people
are like, oh this is good. No, this isn't good
for anybody, because then they can eventually come for our
home grows. They come for anything. It's the government. That's
why we have to all come together literally right now
to prevent this twenty four tax from happening January one.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's already overregulated, right, we don't need more regulations.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We don't even have to save banking.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They can't even bank, they can't write stuff off. The
Michigan's market was ready into plateau within sales.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's like if they're just milk and milking the cow
and just trying to like, you know, take as much
as they can, yeh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Gavin Newsome, governor of California, which a lot you know,
crazy shit goes on over there, repealed all the taxes
that they were doing, the twenty four extra percent, twenty
five percent that they were doing, the same day that
this got passed in Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
The two. I mean, California market's a good demonstration of
why it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Why would we do that here?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Man, It's it's because they sell it by fixing the roads, man,
Like it's always these roads, they always use the roads.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So then tax tobacco, tax, alcohol, tax, big farm the roads.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know what you're not going to fix in Michigan
the weather changes, which is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The big fucking factor of the weather, you know, yeah, value,
Then why don't we start taking more money from the
gas tax or tax it more? Tax fucking alcohol, tax, cigarettes,
tax big pharma.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean there's anything that you can tax more. It's
just why come after cannabis?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Alcohol drives big trucks semis on the roads full of
liquor that's more heavy than our weed transportation. I used
to work in alcohol sales, so first like taxing them, like,
come on, stop going after us. But they got deep pockets,
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deep deep buckets.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I don't know, big farmer would even flinch. I mean, no,
they look at the opiodemic. Give us a discounts, don't
even care.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Billion dollars fine, yeah, I know, man, we'll see it
was nice to the community come together. But I'm just
getting wild up.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
W I mean as you should because like dude, it's
a messed up thing because and then like you know,
we we were hearing about people in the chat like
on the over on Saturday when we did the waken
bank for people talking about like.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Just like every started losing jobs, live nice, YouTube walking,
even twitching advertising day, just.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Throw Dave something actually pretty cool happened to me. I'll
have to tell you off here about advertising.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Cool and like how he brings it up like mid
cameras now you brought it up. I was saying, Man,
great great podcasters. No, I know we were talking about
where was my point?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Was my point?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Man? That the fun we're talking about. You've had many
points in this. No man, you ever like you ever
like go to say something like yo, I've been wanting
to tell you this all day and you go to
actually say it, like all the pressure builds up and
you're like get it. Fuck, I do that all the time,
and it's like then I want it's the worst is
you ever been? Like oh sorry, man, I'm high and
You're like, shit, I'm not even high right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm just using that excuse right now, I've actually said
that a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So many times I'm like, oh my god, I'm not
even yeah the first person like David, you haven't even smoked.
You're just forgetful anyways. No, but like you know, just
just to bring it back to the bill, man, it's
affecting a lot of people's jobs, the ripple fact that
we really don't even know the outcomes. And I just
think it's crazy that it's like go after something. That's
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because like I think, what's why I think why the
hight worked is because all these news articles and all
these big articles like oh million dollars of revenue for
the cannabis, and it's like, oh now they're booming months.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Meanwhile we're over here and be like yo, man, all
people are struggling, you know, and we know pound the
pound is like five bucks now, okay, it's not it's
not back low, but my point is like it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Just we'll go back up to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's like ten percent aware as when the market started, right,
maybe maybe twenty percent, you know, depending on and maybe
you know thirty If you're good, right, it should be good.
So I just think it's just interesting that the people
who don't fully understand the market are going after a market,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They make laws of a lot of stuff that they
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I just and like you bring up you bring
a good point, like, but there's other other industries that
I mean, I I'm trying to think off the top
of my head, but there's other that use very heavy stuff,
that carry very heavy machines that technically would be like
more damage to the roads. And like they've shared a
good post post story post that it's like our weight
limit of our roads, our truck limit is like double
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one hundred and six, and we already have shitty you
see double literally double, and we already have a shitty weather.
Like it's like you're you're literally like you're you're here
tacking two different angles and you're like, I don't know
why roads are read.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I know, what do you mean? That's exactly in our
road and with the weather that makes what is we
got ship to do with it?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I brought up transportation. Transportation does let people, I
mean people, you know how big a pound is? A pound?
Is this much?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We like like Karen, like Max what fifty pounds, Yeah,
one hundred pounds, three hundred, four hundred, just hoous it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What's what's interesting is like it almost feels like because
cannabis is more have a fridge, cannabis is more niche,
and it's not they can it's less people. I feel
like they they're like, oh, we can just take from them.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's like, but because it's made more money than I
think tobacco last year, and so you.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Know, I'm saying, but if they were to go after
like the companies that carry a lot of weight, like
probably like soda companies, people have, like canned goods, construction companies,
these people who you're going to attack the everyday American.
It's you're going to attack everyone. And then it's like
it's like that that's why it would it passed. I'm
not saying that. I'm saying why they why they go
after the cannabis market is because you're attacking more of
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a niche market where if you go to text someone, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna increase taxes on soda.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Everyone's gonna get mad.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He you just get the stoners. Man. They're like, yo,
stop man like and like we protest, you know, peacefully,
Like there's not like this big uproar like I think
they purpose to attack people who are niche and peaceful.
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just trying to
say that you you don't attack some of the people
who actually are the issue. And I'm not saying like
we should go tax all these people, but like they
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should go analyze who's actually damaging the roads with heavy
equipment and then charge them. Base the percentage on based
on how much weight. It should almost be like a
percent you know what I mean, figure, do the math.
Don't attack people, you know. And that's why I feel like,
I'm like, what does canvas have to do with weight
of roads?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Doesn't what the fuck? Nothing? Nothing to cripple an industry
with the twenty four percent tax, You're already getting money
from the roads.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was built in the line he checks out, checks out.
There's this crazy system that other roads that other places do,
called a toll. If we want to make a charge
but have a perfect road, just do it. That's what
other people do. Make people, you know, if you really
want to get money from the roads, that's what every
other state does. Do. I like it no, I would
just drive on seventy times. But like, but if you
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need to get somewhere quickly, Like I'm just saying, if
you're trying to make money from the rose, do it
the old fashioned way. This whole like sneaky, sneaky stuff
in a little bill. Attacking one market, well, dude, I
mean it's just I don't know, It's just I'm trying
to think of another niche market that just feels weird
to attack, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Just they don't, they really don't. You never see this.
The only thing they do is they tack flavored vapes
for tobacco, and they made those band if you care.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But like, other than that, that's meanwhile, they'll pump out
like you know, thirty five Diffoka flavors, ice.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Drink, Condon, candy. Fucking was that smearing off or burnett?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I felt it?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I felt it?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Remember? Oh yeah, she was disgusting. It's like smoking brick
we I would you smoke brickwed right now? It's bricked
in front of you.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Science for science, I mean the migrant I mean everything
for science, Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Everything for science. WHOA for weed? There's days that we
were boofing weed whoa for science. It works. I don't think.
I don't know. We make jokes, we get serious. It's
a show. It's like a roller coaster, you know, start
this roller coaster. It's a bubby bru. Yeah, there's some opposite,
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there's down.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Like we said, that's my life. I wouldn't smoke the
brick weed though, yet, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Full circle, Yeah no, because honestly, dude, it would be
like a flashback and it make me appreciate how good
hash rots it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Like within five minutes, probably less than five minutes, I
would have another joint roll to some of the weed,
be like all right, we're smoking this now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, And like I think, outside of the negative side,
I do we. I do want to commend the community
for coming together.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That ship was cool, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I was like, man, maybe I won't do it for
a change, but dings, we got a good day. We
actually we actually we really did.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
No one was smoking outside the capital either, because people
saw the bigger picture. Man, so many people.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Well, and there's different protests for different and if you
didn't make it, people like you.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You're sharing a social media tagging with nobody posting everywhere,
even protester for different reasons, like why I like that
we smoked for John si Clair for two joints because
it was fucking wrong and it shows you how peaceful
people can to smoke some weed. Man. But what there?
The point was not to be getting stoned in protest.
The point was to be, like, we are business people
here during our work hours. This is my job right
(29:43):
now is to protest to you. This is not a
hangout fun moment. This is you know, sure people might
just be taking dads or smoking joint before. You know,
people like to smoke, but that's not the point there.
The point there is we're not rebelling ship you. What
you're doing is wrong, Like I mean, I guess we
are rebelling what you're saying. But what they're doing was wrong.
We're bringing attention to it. You know, you didn't see
shit on the news until the day of How are
(30:05):
people gonna know and call their senators? Where the hell
was whatever? News Channel two, new channel four, Channel at nine, whatever,
doesn't matter, right, I'm not gonna call anyone news station.
Where were you two weeks before this happened? You know
what I mean? They maybe a week before, even like
three days before, Like shit, I mean even us, we
were trying to share something like I mean, granted were
small enoughing compared to these big networks, but my point
(30:26):
is that it's like it wasn't relevant till it was
already like oh hey, this is going on, and it's
like damn you know. And that's why even you thought
that even some of the news over Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
these people would vote right. But after what you say,
it's like they were just waiting to hell left, Like
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh, when they passed it three in the morning by
October third or October second, whatever it was that Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So they were waiting.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They did temporarily pass it and then that's why it
took Thursday, and then they finally pushed it through and
the governor signed it yesterday or today, actually yesterday, I
think she signed it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Until loss, so is it goes a factor. But there's
ready someone break her buffs. I remember when this the
Michigan bought her buffs or something. They were like doing
a break those buffs.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Disappointment.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm not even from Detroit, break those buffs. Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But yeah, I mean there's ready lawsuits going into action,
so we're gonna be okay, let's.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Talk about this. So outside of the bill, now, you know,
me and David talk about doing it a testimonial episode,
which we're still gonna do, is kind of contain discuss
So if you have any videos you want to do
and you're listening, am I can I cast dot at
gmail dot com, send us a testimonial villa. Why do
you think this bill is wrong than how it's can
to affect your company something like that. Yeah, just just
(31:37):
we prefer like two to five minutes, like a little
shorter the better, but even if it's three to five minutes,
it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And then we're gonna send you a consent form because
we're gonna be posting this and sharing this with everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You want to do like a video like that or
some type of like big long thing that we could
even share links to people tag the the higher ups
and so they could even just throw it on why
they're riding to work listen to everyone says money. You
know some people aren't you know, maybe audio we're gonna
audiobook problem like essentially, so it's good way to look
at it. But so my thing is, I just think
(32:09):
people don't see the big the picture of how it's
affecting people. They only see of like, oh, I'm trying
to fix the roads. Oh what if we just attack
this one little group, we'll fix the roads. But dude,
I just don't honestly think.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I wasn't even fixing the full roads with it was
like four hundred and twenty million dollars they're only getting out.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well yeah, then you look at it, well yeah, and
that's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's like estimated.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I looked at the House bill and he talks about
how it's like, you know, so many millions of dollars
and a half million dollars every year and it's not
to go to a general fund, which is like, okay, cool,
it's not supposed to go back to the fund, But
that's still like, what is that going to even do
in Michigan. It's like a consistent I don't know, like
you said, it's like putting a band aid on it
while it's ruining a market. You're not even like, you know,
(32:50):
I mean, yeah, you're really If you really were damaging
this market, everyone would be like, you know what, screw you.
We could pay it, we could afford it. But that's
not how it is. Everyone's like shit, it'sop twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Thousand people work in the state of Michigan, you know, roughly,
I would say within the cannabis.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And they have families.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Some might just not have families, They just have themselves
and they depend on these jobs. And now when brands
got to cut costs and cut costs to save money
so they can stay in business, it goes down to workers. Right.
But then when when those costs come, where does the
price go? It raises the price for us as consumers.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Not only yeah, but it also brings a quality down.
So now you're paying more for garbage, like for worse.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Right, So good quality is going more of everything would
go up in price.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
At that point, we're gonna see a lot of these
people with good quality, who focus on quality go out
of the business because they spend the money investing in
themselves in quality. Some people cutting corners are not necessarily
people you want.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
They're gonna have to just everyone's gonna be raising costs,
and that's going to go to the consumers. At the
end of the day, the consumers are gonna pay most
of it, guaranteed. Like most businesses can't eat up this
costs already eating up, so much cost because they can't
write shit off. You know, there's like so many stuff
that these have they have to go through until to it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's kind of a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Some companies are gonna do what they have to do
because some people are already having to like make sales
if they don't want to. Yeah, it's and then you
said you're gonna see a great divide. You're gonna see
some people like, well, fuck, all right, thankfully we're doing okay.
Some people are going to crash.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, and somehow, you know, you might be getting stuff
for fifty sixty, might be up to seventy eighty, you know,
for the price and the tax on top of that.
So it's just then you got the sixteenth. But then
we got the thing is, it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Doesn't even matter what the reason is. This twenty four
percent could like ruin them. It can. It's gonna be
detrimental to the market and like and that's why, like
when you're talking about like lawsuits and stuff, like, I
really hope these lawsuits can disrupt it and make these
decisions get prolonged or maybe having to be rewritten so
maybe lessened or something.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, I believe it's unconstitutional too, if I saw I
was looking at some posts too with how it all
transpired and stuff, because it's like, we the people voted
this in two back in twenty eighteen, and I saw
some comments on a post that were talking about is
being constitutional, so there might be lawsuits with that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, if you can get it nulled out and void,
that would be amazing, you know what I mean. There's
gonna it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's gonna be interest in the next couple of months,
because like, you got the holidays upcoming. Obviously they recess
on the holidays because they always take a break for everything, right,
So who knows how much they're actually gonna going into
twenty six because they got the budget passed.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Now, I don't how much they recess when they're supposed
to work.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I know, on a budget that's for them so
they don't have to not work. Because it was that Tuesday,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was like, what the hell if I have a
BOLS you have going, If I have a.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Budgety meeting, I don't, I don't get to just go yo, recess.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's sweet, it would be I'm gonna start to start
doing it. I'letna start pulling that. Yeah, uh no.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But in all honestly, it's a it's shitty, it's shitty.
So I think the next couple of months will be huge.
I don't know what we'll get done, but I already
heard lawsuits, I've seen we got lobbying groups. You have
people fighting day in and day out right now for
us just continue. I mean, there's really nothing our sunders
as could thing that's in their hands, you know, the
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people that are already talking, and we're gonna be reporting
some of that to you all when we get it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So if there's any other rallies or anything, yeah, you
don't just win. And that's the biggest thing is like
it just doesn't feel right, like at all.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It doesn't like and hopefully people don't start losing their
jobs right away, because that would be the worst thing
to you know, Like that's what hurts me the most,
because it's like people, corporate America hates cannabis. We all
know that for the most part, A lot of it
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don't look if it's on your resume.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You're saying, you're saying it's not something that's it's it's
looked at as a negative thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
If you if you have that on your resume, they're
not gonna look at it good if you if you
if you get out of the cannabis industry, or say
you happen to lose your job, like a lot of
people left other jobs to get into the cannabis industry,
a new industry, and take a chance on something they
believed in. And then with this coming down said another
hurdle that it's facing with all the.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Hurdles, that's right, you're saying almost it's gonna look like
a resume gap to some of these people.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Could potentially it could be more detrimental because like how
it's Cotle only cannabis man, not everyone likes to look
at Look.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
How easy this was for people to pass it. It
was the old like well, I will say there are
certain companies who are forward thinking and and I but
you're absolutely right, there is still that that negative stigma
like and I know it's you know, obviously generational. We're
gonna see it slowly kind of dissipate over time. But
at the same time, I think it's I see when
(37:38):
you bring it up, that's not something I even really
thought of. I thought more when you said, you know,
people left their professional jobs. I thought, yeah, you're absolutely right,
because people left jobs that were probably even higher paying
because they're passionate about this.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, and then look at what's happening at there's people
that are like invested so much stuff to even take
a chance, and then they're gonna have to close up,
Like it's just what you're doing is going to destroy
just destroyed people. It's myss. But yeah, well we'll be posting,
sharing stuff, we'll be talking about it again. If you
didn't check out our relief relief recent episode, geez, I
(38:17):
couldn't speak there. We had Lance from First Smoke with
the Day On, which is a pretty cool, fun episode
about the longer one with about two hours, told us
some cool stories, also some stuffing he hasn't talked about before,
got some insight on what he thinks the next purpose
et ceters.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Potentially he's hand, but he's just gonna say it anyway. No, sorry,
I'm trying to find him. Going through our pages, I
cannot recall someone's shared that there was something going on,
and I'm just wish I had to preplay that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
But also, again, like I said earlier, our waking bits
are every Saturday, nine am Eastern, so make sure you
come in and tune in. Check it out with the community, Instagram, YouTube,
face book, wherever you check us out, we are there.
So come in, wake up, bake up, smoke with us.
It's usually a good time. We got some cool stuff
(39:08):
coming for you. Some recaps around our ig page. We
were out at the Sessions event. If you didn't check
that out recently, shout out to Tony and the team
over there. They did a great job out in New
Buffalo is like on a golf course. Very unique how
they had it. They had brands in each room. They
had a little area where you could learn about the
(39:29):
brands like people were talking about it. Again, a lot
of education, which is something you don't see at all events.
So he's pushing education heavy there, which was great. Did
you find it?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I found one thing the Michigan Tea Party. I remember
we've seeing this come around saying they were gonna, you know,
almost sound just like protesting and stuff, kind of sharing
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I saw the MC. I already followed the lawsuit too, so.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Trying to find it. There was one. Yeah, we're trying
to Yeah, at the end of day there are stuff
going on. Say, look, check out the socials because there
are stuff we'll share when we find it again. I'm sorry,
but yeah, man, it's messed up. It's hard to joke.
I was trying to joke, but it was just such
a serious talk. You know, it's hard to make jokes
(40:16):
this time, you know, because it's just a messed up
kind of there's nothing to joke about.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'll make jokes like I was trying to make jokes
in the middle of it, but you know, but this
one's more of a like a just factual stuff going on.
It's not right adding twenty four percent tax, you already
sixteen percent tax. Someone's paying that tax, whether it's the
end user or the whole person selling it or the people,
and then they're making less money. No matter what, everyone loses.
(40:40):
Only one who wins is the people fixing the roads,
which is kind of like, isn't there another way there's
other ways get the market that you just built less
than a decade later?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, seriously, there's other ways we can make money for
the tax. There's other things we can do. We're already
tax on everything. Jeez, didn't we do it? Teep? Already
exactly because.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Why I said, we kind of need another one because
this ain't working. Man, Like, what if just no one
pays it? You stop the market, You can stop all
the money, you stop all the revenue, you make no
money from it. The governments can take none of the
taxes on that. They don't want. No monies, No monies,
you want none of the monies. What the hell? Governments?
(41:25):
What the buck? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I got nothing else because I'm gonna continue repeating Myself's.
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Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, so I hope everyone's personal life is going well.
But I can speak for a lot of people in
the market. If you're not already like nervous for your job,
this this this episode probably won't help because like at
the end of the day, we really don't know the
outcome of this bill, and like, you know, seeing the
peer power of the community, how many people like this
(01:45):
was clearly affecting you know, David, So let is breakdown.
Let's back up a little bit. Let's just let's back
up for a second here.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think we need to give them like a breakdown.
If you haven't been seeing anything.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that's exactly, so like stop. First off, today we're
talking about House Bill four nine five one say hope
four nine and one, well, hold on gideo or sodown
So four nine to five to one. It's a bill
that essentially was trying to add twenty four more percent
text to the sixteen that's already there, the ten on
the six that's added to the wholesale side of things.
(02:18):
Now there's twenty four percent tax. Maybe not directly affect
you know, every consumer, it's going to in some way
because a lot of companies survive of wholesale. A lot
of people deal with wholesale in many different aspects. A
lot of your favorite companies that might be fifty percent
of their income, you know with that, Yeah, I mean
with yeah in the hall and also so and then
(02:39):
so today we're going to kind of discuss the ripple
effect of how many jobs, who this can affect, who's
making this decisions that are even doing this craft just
kind of break it all down and kind of just
talk about it. So that's a little bit of background.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, so this happened, so a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,
about a couple of weeks ago. The House of Representatives
ass to bill like in the afternoon, like Thursday, Thursday
evening or something, to put this into the budget bill
for Michigan's budget. So obviously the government runs on a
budget because it's it's weird the people, so they need
(03:14):
a budget to go into every year, so they slip
try to slid this in. So then Friday, the next day,
this hit and everybody within the canvas indus she started
like talking about it. You might have seen a post
on our social media if you didn't, there was a
gathering at the Hall or at the Capitol and Lansing
on Tuesday, September thirtieth, which I think was last week,
and it was for say no and talking to Congress
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and the Senators that were going to vote on it.
And this is because they couldn't vote on this, they
need five days in the state of Michigan, I believe,
to vote something into law. So by five days it
was Tuesday, and the bill had to be passed. The
budget blood be passed before October first, so which was Wednesday.
So within all in the community in the state of Michigan,
you saw everyone coming together for the most part. I mean,
(03:58):
we'll get into probably the bad as well, but up
leading up to it, you have a lot of the community.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know right now we're just talking about around there
we have I have a lot of thoughts and opinions
on it all as well. But you had we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, m CIA had a gathering nine o'clock Tuesday, Capitol Hill.
We're pretty much a lot of brands were right at
the sidewalk funneling as the senators were walking in.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yesh, save our jobs. Okay, So so let's break this
down a little bit. Like I know, it was an
all day protest. It was nine to five. You know,
we shared the pops were down there, shared the post.
I mean you were there to Thursday Tuesday, So yeah,
talk about a little bit. I mean obviously you were
just I mean, I didn't want to cut you off
because you obviously were already talking about it. But I
guess let me ask you something. So as you were
(04:43):
approaching the energy that you felt there, like how did
it feel being there? That's that's more because obviously you
can describe it, like because you could see the videos,
but until you were like watching that video of everyone
chanting in the capitol, like I could feel it through
the phone, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean
if you didn't even I was stuck, couldn't get there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah no, no, no, I mean even if you haven't
seen the content, definitely check out our page my chnra.
It was unreal a little bit because that the whole
community came together, like pretty promptly. I'm not gonna liable.
Was it four days? Everyone there was you know, there
had to be like a thousand people within the day,
Like every there was people coming that came in the morning.
We left. I saw people that came in the afternoon.
(05:21):
You know, I was there from I think I got
there around nine forty. Every supposed to get there at
nine I got. Took a little bit longer get out there,
but still made it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It Just the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Atmosphere was unreal because you had all these brands, all
these people, consumers, business owners, bud tenders, growers, CEOs, everybody
on the capitol fighting for this plant right here.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
See how many people are in the community too, You
know how many people like you know, all different ranges
of people. I mean, you know, you brought a bud
tender stuff, but you're alls talking about like accountants, business executives.
Everyone came. I heard that people were shutting down, disposed
to like two people there.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I know a lot of people like move on mad
they they bought, they bought, should out, said Jenna. She
came on her podcast she runs HR from Muha. She
did a phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Speech, Jenna. She talked about that back because's I was saying,
there's a lot of back ends people don't even talk about.
We don't. Yeah, she does HR.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
She has a lot of the hiring, hiring and stuff
for the company, and great interview check it out, but
her speech hit me. It's on her page, but they brought.
They they brought. There had to be like one hundred
two hundred people just from Muha itself. It felt like
they're I mean, they bought subs for everybody, Jimmy John subs.
Like they had like boxes full subs, did you not
(06:35):
like like not full subs but cut up like for people.
They had water, you have, Northern Connections had water, Gelatto
had water. Like people brought stuff and shared that within
the community. Will shout out to Wojo and the team
over there. They had their whole team out there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oh man, there was a lot of people from the
community there, you know what I mean. They looked like
they shot the whole It looked like a lot of teams. Man.
Everyone was there and everyone who couldn't be there. I
mean you were like me just tapping in on and
streams and I was sharing shit immediately on the streams
and on the Instagram. I was like, I wanna do something.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was it was unreal and like I was saying,
it started off with save our jobs. People were chanting.
So the centers had to walk past all these people
and there's fifty thousand people in the state.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Of That's what that line was out leading up out doors,
so you had you had like a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, you had billboards by the moving billboard trucks. You
had three of those boom boom boom against the lawn.
And then the sidewalk going diagonal, the sidewalk going diagonal
up to the capitol to get into the capitol, had
the tunnel of people with the signs and everything, and
that's what you were seeing. And then as everyone's chanting,
I mean, it's just felt power to the people, you
(07:39):
know what I'm saying, Like it just felt surreal, like
you're able to And then after.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That, well also like the I mean the people one
hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent. I just I just
like you forget, like you really see how much this
bill is going to affect people. Now, see that's like
was my point in the beginning, that everyone like, oh,
it's twenty four spent whole wholesale tax. You know that
doesn't necessarily affect me. So you know, somebody will might
I'll be out there who don't smoke wheed a lot
might be like, you know what, it's better to fix
(08:03):
the roads. But people don't really understand that this is
already so detrimental to a fragile market. Right, this is
already dealing with people.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Margins already super slim, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They can't do a lot of right, like a lot
of like layers to that, right, a lot of things
that these companies have to deal with, and that they're
already Teichottering, you're gonna you're gonna break the market, and
then what do you You're gonna So my favorite thing
about all this is you break the market, you're getting
twenty four percent of less.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No probably even double that if you think about it,
because you're.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Saying you increase the taxes that get more money for
the roads. But now since you're gonna crush the market,
you're gonna get less money in the market. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely absolutely, You're just making less money overall, which is
that's what drives me crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's gonna be detrimental, and that's why you're seeing so
many groups and people are coming together, you know, right
now to talk about it and fight for it. Oh yeah,
and going back to it. So I want to go
back to the story. So if you're not caught up
at all, Tuesday, phenomenal day at the Capitol, like Groovy
was saying, We went inside the Capitol, which is mind
blowing for me. Went inside the Capitol and then we
(09:03):
were chanting and there's like three four levels, right, and
you just see everyone chanting like save our jobs, and
it's just echoing throughout the chamber. We got to sit
in the Senate, sit in the Senate building or the
Senate whatever where they vote and stuff. Right, these people
recess all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I was sharing the watch, I'm like, this is crazy.
They spend more time in recess than they do actually sessions.
I was in there, wonder where I took three and
a half days.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It was it was unreal. It's so frustrating because you're like, seriously,
like this is what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Because to us it's like it's obviously, so like it
should just be a no, right, Like it's obvious. So
for us, we're like, you know, why is this taking
longer than the session? You know what I mean? But yeah,
and so I was able to do that. We had
sepe guys, and yeah, you felt the speeches, you know
what I mean. Shout out to Summer from our team.
She couldn't make it because she's busy as all hell
right now. But we will be doing a fall up
(09:55):
with her because I want to break down a lot
of her thoughts. Really, she was there till two am
the first day, like she didn't leave, like Summer was
out there, and I think the whole thing that I
really appreciate that it's like, you know, people that were
there like till two am were just like, Okay, we
want to know, you know, what's gonna happen. And it's
like they didn't make the decision till what Friday at three.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
As so people went Wednesday, the protesters, and then you
had Thursday. I believe Minton, Cannico, Jars, all them were
out there protesting as well. Looked like pretty packed Thursday,
and they stayed there all night and then they didn't
pass the fucking bill excuse me, language, fucking bill until
like three in the goddamn morning when everyone's sleeping and
(10:38):
everybody's like, oh, one fun, fun fact I overheard when
I was at the Capitol on Tuesday, and they're talking like, hey,
so when are they going to vote? Like there was
a lot of like talk going on where it was like, Yo,
it's gonna go down to ten percent, it's gonna go
this is all hearsay I was asking everybody that I
knew that had a connection be like, yo, what's going
on right? Let me know get in And one of
the security people said, yeah, they're not going to vote
(11:00):
all you are gone? Are you guys all gonna be
here till midnight? Like that's what one of the security
guards said to somebody. And I was like, oh, that's
hilarious because it makes sense. They they were probably like
freaking out because you get all these people here, like
you're you're because then you're voting literally at the people
going yeah, I don't care about your job.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Insane. This needs to pass.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And also why they get scared their own will being
that's just what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And then also which they should never be scared, because
you should never harm a politician ever, Like it's just
just go out of office, that's what you do.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Also, if you're doing something that wrong, maybe you should
check yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Maybe those lobbyists are paying some.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
People, because like it doesn't even make sense, like the
whole thing it was so close to like.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That, yeah, it's uh. And then so then Thursday came
and this is what cracks me up. So Wednesday I
heard that Tuesday. So Wednesday happened Thursday, having people are
out there protesting again and Thursday night, but I think
the Speaker of the House came out with an article
and said it's past the cannabis tax twenty four percent tax,
(12:05):
or shut the government down. It's like, shut the government
down is where I'm mating. But like, in all honesty,
it's like I that type of bullshit politicking to me
is the worst. It's either like it's this or that.
It's like, okay, does even makes sense? You're gonna shut
the entire government down? And they only even miss.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like that's honestly the biggest problem with a lot of
politics that it's like this or that, left or right.
It's like, man, this isn't bipartisan. Most shit is just
like a good morals something that's my thing. It's like
and if Gretchen big Gretch doesn't understand that this bill
is gonna screw up the market in less money than
she never understood what she was voting on in the
first place. And that's why I like it. And that's
why Okay, let's do this right now, because I want
(12:45):
to talk about this because I actually pull up this
picture and I have articles, so I'm gonna pull up
the picture, so if you're like watching on your phone
or YouTube screen, try to take a picture so you
know if they're in your district, vote no for these
people who vote it yes and same song. So I'm
going to read the names to vote them, because I
(13:06):
think it's important that we put the names out there
for the people who voted. You know, they're, in my opinion,
the right ways and wrong ways. Because again I understand
that right and wrong is a matter of opinion, but
also to me, it's like when you're eliminating thousands affecting
possibly tens of thousands of jobs, you know what I mean,
Like I just don't understand, like and it's it's like
(13:27):
you're you're literally just like crippling a new market too,
like relatively new.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Markets even ten years old exactly, so it's not even
fully legal.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You want to sell the bill passed nineteen to seventeen,
which is annoying, is shit? Do we want to start
with the ones who went against the bill to know,
let's do let's do the good people first. So leading
that charge, I saw a bunch of interviews by Jeff Irwin, Democrat,
by Senator Thomas albert A Republicanda Lowell, Joseph Bellino, republicanam
(13:59):
On Row, John Bumpstead, Republican of North Mistegan John Demo's
Republican of Harbor Springs, Roger huck Republican of Mount Pleasant,
Kevin Hartel, Democrat at A Saint Clair Shores, Michelle hoytinga
Republicana maintain I don't even know man is Mark huzinga Republicana,
(14:20):
Walker Ruth Johnson, Republican of Groveland, Johnson Lindsay, Republican of
Cold Water, sen him a minority leader. Are Nesbitt, Republican
a Porter Township, Jim Runson, Republican of White Lake, Sylvia,
Santie's the Democrat of Detroit, Sioux Shink Democrat out of
North Township, Lawnsley's a Republican of Brighton, and Michael Webber,
(14:44):
Republican at Rochester Trails. I guess you are right, there's
only three. I thought there was four or five Democrats.
But I also do just see. I guess I saw
because bipartisan, in my opinion, that's like it's bipartisan.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You can't So those were who those were the ones
that we voted no, voted no. So those are our guys. Yeah,
we're trying to get the thank you, Thank you each
and every one of you, honestly, thank you. Do you understand,
you know, you truly understand what this is gonna do
to jobs?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, you see there, you see the backgro picture, not
just the fact that like roads are bad. Like because
the roads are bad, but we always make a new
bill that's gonna fix the roads. And guess what they don't.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what, I'm gonna run for Senate how someone day,
and I'm gonna take our trucking limit down to normal
federal regulations, dude, one hundred and sixty to eighty thousand pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That much Funny because you people used to say pot
for potholes. Now it's like it's not the same anymore.
But back in the day, it was just trying to
get it legal, you know whatever. Not the same right now,
not the same anymore. Definitely not the same because you're
screwing the market well already getting the ones that the
ones that we don't want, the ones that we voted
yes and should still be on the screen hopefully h
(15:51):
voted yes. Did support was Brinks the falling Senators Sarah Anthony,
Democrat at Lansing Rosemary Bayer West Bloomfield Democrat, Darwin Cabiria Democrat, Trenton,
Mary Kavanaugh Democrat, a Referend Township, Stephanie Chang Democrat, Detroit,
John Cherry Democrat, Flint, Kevin Day Republican, loom Erica Gays
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Geese Democrat, Taylor Veronica, Kenlfeldt Democrat, East Point, Dan Lowers Republican,
Brockway Ed McBroom Republican, Vulcan Sean McCann Democrat, Kalamazoo, Malroy
mcmarow Democrat, Royal O, Jeremy Moss Democrat, Bloomfield Township Boom
(16:35):
Daniel Milansky Democrat, Livonia, Sam Sing Democrat, East Lansing Roger
Victoria Republican, George Township and Paul Wojn Democrat, Warren So.
I mean, and I see what you were saying, how
it is definitely meaning you know way it To me,
it's like I think what it is is that maybe
(16:56):
it wasn't voted by partisan, but I think it's a
bipartisan issue. And that's I guess to me because to
me it is right, But people are considering it like this,
it's only about the money. It's only about the roads,
but it's like it's affecting people's lives, people's families. It's
like a people thing like and a business thing. So
that's why when I say it's a Byparson issue, sometimes
I look at left and right as like Republican is
(17:17):
leaning more towards like the finances, and sometimes left is like, okay,
what do the people need first? Not the finances first?
Like now the business site, right, we'll figure out the
money layer type, you know. I mean that's not necessarily right,
but I'm talking about in a financial aspect here.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah. No, I mean I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And I think that's why maybe you saw the votes
that way, because it was more of a financial decision.
I don't know, that's the only reason why I was
saying it like that. Yeah, no, no, I got you.
I just when I heard morals are different, I try
to look at it as but you know, there's definitely
moreld that. Definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
This one just feels was heavy, but it was heavy
leaning on the Republicans. SI. That's why it was just
more shocked.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's interesting. Well, it's interesting because to me it is
To me, it's a by partisan issue.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's just that it's a Republicans didn't want cannabis legal.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And that's what makes me think that there was some
lobbying involved, because obviously there's I'm lobbyist that they got
the parties to believe can devote a certain way. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I just I was shocked
at because a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Because be honest, you brought up Whitmer Wimmer back cannabis
when it was coming through. She I think she got
elected governor in eighteen when cannabis went legal. I could
be wrong. Can you check that for me? Sorry, was
Whitmer's first year as governor in twenty eighteen, so I
think that's when we legaled cannabis and she petitioned. If
I'm not mistaken, she rallied with cannabis.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
She was at she gave us politic I say this
all the time in it's just.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's so shot. It was twenty nineteen, Okay, so it
was it was after them she did the hashbash though
she did a speech at Hashpash.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So yeah, but politicians always say what they need to get.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's just funny how quick she turned her her head
on the industry because she had thirty two percent back
in February, we all heard that and then it went
down to twenty four percent, and then it's just mind blowing.
That's just it sucks because like seeing every seeing everyone
there at the capitol and then seeing like this post
on social media and stuff and funny. What's not funny
(19:08):
is like people in the black market like, oh, it's
not gonna affect us, Oh, it definitely will affect you.
I've already seen an article posted in my canapros about
a raid on a house that had two houses. You
know what I'm saying. So like it was over a
lot over plan count like obviously, so obviously do your
stuff to the law and stuff. But like they're gonna
be going to the black market, like this can come
(19:29):
after home girls. It's just them like doing one thing today.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So you're looking at it as like you know, they're
eventually gonna come after other grow ups. I was thinking
more or less people are from the metric market are
going to go back to that black market, so you're
gonna create more competition. Oh correct, It's like a double
headed sort of yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then with going with what you're saying, I was
gonna get into that too. They can produce so much
more compared to someone that just does it out of
their house, and they can drop the price, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So it's like, you're.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Not gonna be like it's gonna it's not. This is
not good for anybody. That's why I hate when people
are like, oh this is good. No, this isn't good
for anybody, because then they can eventually come for our
home grows. They come for anything. It's the government. That's
why we have to all come together literally right now
to prevent this twenty four tax from happening January one.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's already overregulated, right, we don't need more regulations.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We don't even have to save banking.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They can't even bank, they can't write stuff off. The
Michigan's market was ready into plateau within sales.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's like if they're just milk and milking the cow
and just trying to like, you know, take as much
as they can, yeh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Gavin Newsome, governor of California, which a lot you know,
crazy shit goes on over there, repealed all the taxes
that they were doing, the twenty four extra percent, twenty
five percent that they were doing, the same day that
this got passed in Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
The two. I mean, California market's a good demonstration of
why it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Why would we do that here?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Man, It's it's because they sell it by fixing the roads, man,
Like it's always these roads, they always use the roads.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So then tax tobacco, tax, alcohol, tax, big farm the roads.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know what you're not going to fix in Michigan
the weather changes, which is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The big fucking factor of the weather, you know, yeah, value,
Then why don't we start taking more money from the
gas tax or tax it more? Tax fucking alcohol, tax, cigarettes,
tax big pharma.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean there's anything that you can tax more. It's
just why come after cannabis?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Alcohol drives big trucks semis on the roads full of
liquor that's more heavy than our weed transportation. I used
to work in alcohol sales, so first like taxing them, like,
come on, stop going after us. But they got deep pockets,
(21:48):
deep deep buckets.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I don't know, big farmer would even flinch. I mean, no,
they look at the opiodemic. Give us a discounts, don't
even care.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Billion dollars fine, yeah, I know, man, we'll see it
was nice to the community come together. But I'm just
getting wild up.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
W I mean as you should because like dude, it's
a messed up thing because and then like you know,
we we were hearing about people in the chat like
on the over on Saturday when we did the waken
bank for people talking about like.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Just like every started losing jobs, live nice, YouTube walking,
even twitching advertising day, just.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Throw Dave something actually pretty cool happened to me. I'll
have to tell you off here about advertising.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Cool and like how he brings it up like mid
cameras now you brought it up. I was saying, Man,
great great podcasters. No, I know we were talking about
where was my point?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Was my point?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Man? That the fun we're talking about. You've had many
points in this. No man, you ever like you ever
like go to say something like yo, I've been wanting
to tell you this all day and you go to
actually say it, like all the pressure builds up and
you're like get it. Fuck, I do that all the time,
and it's like then I want it's the worst is
you ever been? Like oh sorry, man, I'm high and
You're like, shit, I'm not even high right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm just using that excuse right now, I've actually said
that a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So many times I'm like, oh my god, I'm not
even yeah the first person like David, you haven't even smoked.
You're just forgetful anyways. No, but like you know, just
just to bring it back to the bill, man, it's
affecting a lot of people's jobs, the ripple fact that
we really don't even know the outcomes. And I just
think it's crazy that it's like go after something. That's
(23:34):
because like I think, what's why I think why the
hight worked is because all these news articles and all
these big articles like oh million dollars of revenue for
the cannabis, and it's like, oh now they're booming months.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Meanwhile we're over here and be like yo, man, all
people are struggling, you know, and we know pound the
pound is like five bucks now, okay, it's not it's
not back low, but my point is like it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Just we'll go back up to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's like ten percent aware as when the market started, right,
maybe maybe twenty percent, you know, depending on and maybe
you know thirty If you're good, right, it should be good.
So I just think it's just interesting that the people
who don't fully understand the market are going after a market,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They make laws of a lot of stuff that they
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I just and like you bring up you bring
a good point, like, but there's other other industries that
I mean, I I'm trying to think off the top
of my head, but there's other that use very heavy stuff,
that carry very heavy machines that technically would be like
more damage to the roads. And like they've shared a
good post post story post that it's like our weight
limit of our roads, our truck limit is like double
(24:43):
one hundred and six, and we already have shitty you
see double literally double, and we already have a shitty weather.
Like it's like you're you're literally like you're you're here
tacking two different angles and you're like, I don't know
why roads are read.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I know, what do you mean? That's exactly in our
road and with the weather that makes what is we
got ship to do with it?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I brought up transportation. Transportation does let people, I
mean people, you know how big a pound is? A pound?
Is this much?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We like like Karen, like Max what fifty pounds, Yeah,
one hundred pounds, three hundred, four hundred, just hoous it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What's what's interesting is like it almost feels like because
cannabis is more have a fridge, cannabis is more niche,
and it's not they can it's less people. I feel
like they they're like, oh, we can just take from them.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's like, but because it's made more money than I
think tobacco last year, and so you.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Know, I'm saying, but if they were to go after
like the companies that carry a lot of weight, like
probably like soda companies, people have, like canned goods, construction companies,
these people who you're going to attack the everyday American.
It's you're going to attack everyone. And then it's like
it's like that that's why it would it passed. I'm
not saying that. I'm saying why they why they go
after the cannabis market is because you're attacking more of
(25:57):
a niche market where if you go to text someone, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna increase taxes on soda.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Everyone's gonna get mad.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He you just get the stoners. Man. They're like, yo,
stop man like and like we protest, you know, peacefully,
Like there's not like this big uproar like I think
they purpose to attack people who are niche and peaceful.
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just trying to
say that you you don't attack some of the people
who actually are the issue. And I'm not saying like
we should go tax all these people, but like they
(26:27):
should go analyze who's actually damaging the roads with heavy
equipment and then charge them. Base the percentage on based
on how much weight. It should almost be like a
percent you know what I mean, figure, do the math.
Don't attack people, you know. And that's why I feel like,
I'm like, what does canvas have to do with weight
of roads?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Doesn't what the fuck? Nothing? Nothing to cripple an industry
with the twenty four percent tax, You're already getting money
from the roads.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was built in the line he checks out, checks out.
There's this crazy system that other roads that other places do,
called a toll. If we want to make a charge
but have a perfect road, just do it. That's what
other people do. Make people, you know, if you really
want to get money from the roads, that's what every
other state does. Do. I like it no, I would
just drive on seventy times. But like, but if you
(27:10):
need to get somewhere quickly, Like I'm just saying, if
you're trying to make money from the rose, do it
the old fashioned way. This whole like sneaky, sneaky stuff
in a little bill. Attacking one market, well, dude, I
mean it's just I don't know, It's just I'm trying
to think of another niche market that just feels weird
to attack, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Just they don't, they really don't. You never see this.
The only thing they do is they tack flavored vapes
for tobacco, and they made those band if you care.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But like, other than that, that's meanwhile, they'll pump out
like you know, thirty five Diffoka flavors, ice.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Drink, Condon, candy. Fucking was that smearing off or burnett?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I felt it?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I felt it?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Remember? Oh yeah, she was disgusting. It's like smoking brick
we I would you smoke brickwed right now? It's bricked
in front of you.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Science for science, I mean the migrant I mean everything
for science, Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Everything for science. WHOA for weed? There's days that we
were boofing weed whoa for science. It works. I don't think.
I don't know. We make jokes, we get serious. It's
a show. It's like a roller coaster, you know, start
this roller coaster. It's a bubby bru. Yeah, there's some opposite,
(28:32):
there's down.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Like we said, that's my life. I wouldn't smoke the
brick weed though, yet, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Full circle, Yeah no, because honestly, dude, it would be
like a flashback and it make me appreciate how good
hash rots it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Like within five minutes, probably less than five minutes, I
would have another joint roll to some of the weed,
be like all right, we're smoking this now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, And like I think, outside of the negative side,
I do we. I do want to commend the community
for coming together.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That ship was cool, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I was like, man, maybe I won't do it for
a change, but dings, we got a good day. We
actually we actually we really did.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
No one was smoking outside the capital either, because people
saw the bigger picture. Man, so many people.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Well, and there's different protests for different and if you
didn't make it, people like you.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You're sharing a social media tagging with nobody posting everywhere,
even protester for different reasons, like why I like that
we smoked for John si Clair for two joints because
it was fucking wrong and it shows you how peaceful
people can to smoke some weed. Man. But what there?
The point was not to be getting stoned in protest.
The point was to be, like, we are business people
here during our work hours. This is my job right
(29:43):
now is to protest to you. This is not a
hangout fun moment. This is you know, sure people might
just be taking dads or smoking joint before. You know,
people like to smoke, but that's not the point there.
The point there is we're not rebelling ship you. What
you're doing is wrong, Like I mean, I guess we
are rebelling what you're saying. But what they're doing was wrong.
We're bringing attention to it. You know, you didn't see
shit on the news until the day of How are
(30:05):
people gonna know and call their senators? Where the hell
was whatever? News Channel two, new channel four, Channel at nine, whatever,
doesn't matter, right, I'm not gonna call anyone news station.
Where were you two weeks before this happened? You know
what I mean? They maybe a week before, even like
three days before, Like shit, I mean even us, we
were trying to share something like I mean, granted were
small enoughing compared to these big networks, but my point
(30:26):
is that it's like it wasn't relevant till it was
already like oh hey, this is going on, and it's
like damn you know. And that's why even you thought
that even some of the news over Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
these people would vote right. But after what you say,
it's like they were just waiting to hell left, Like
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh, when they passed it three in the morning by
October third or October second, whatever it was that Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So they were waiting.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They did temporarily pass it and then that's why it
took Thursday, and then they finally pushed it through and
the governor signed it yesterday or today, actually yesterday, I
think she signed it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Until loss, so is it goes a factor. But there's
ready someone break her buffs. I remember when this the
Michigan bought her buffs or something. They were like doing
a break those buffs.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Disappointment.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm not even from Detroit, break those buffs. Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But yeah, I mean there's ready lawsuits going into action,
so we're gonna be okay, let's.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Talk about this. So outside of the bill, now, you know,
me and David talk about doing it a testimonial episode,
which we're still gonna do, is kind of contain discuss
So if you have any videos you want to do
and you're listening, am I can I cast dot at
gmail dot com, send us a testimonial villa. Why do
you think this bill is wrong than how it's can
to affect your company something like that. Yeah, just just
(31:37):
we prefer like two to five minutes, like a little
shorter the better, but even if it's three to five minutes,
it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And then we're gonna send you a consent form because
we're gonna be posting this and sharing this with everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You want to do like a video like that or
some type of like big long thing that we could
even share links to people tag the the higher ups
and so they could even just throw it on why
they're riding to work listen to everyone says money. You
know some people aren't you know, maybe audio we're gonna
audiobook problem like essentially, so it's good way to look
at it. But so my thing is, I just think
(32:09):
people don't see the big the picture of how it's
affecting people. They only see of like, oh, I'm trying
to fix the roads. Oh what if we just attack
this one little group, we'll fix the roads. But dude,
I just don't honestly think.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I wasn't even fixing the full roads with it was
like four hundred and twenty million dollars they're only getting out.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well yeah, then you look at it, well yeah, and
that's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's like estimated.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I looked at the House bill and he talks about
how it's like, you know, so many millions of dollars
and a half million dollars every year and it's not
to go to a general fund, which is like, okay, cool,
it's not supposed to go back to the fund, But
that's still like, what is that going to even do
in Michigan. It's like a consistent I don't know, like
you said, it's like putting a band aid on it
while it's ruining a market. You're not even like, you know,
(32:50):
I mean, yeah, you're really If you really were damaging
this market, everyone would be like, you know what, screw you.
We could pay it, we could afford it. But that's
not how it is. Everyone's like shit, it'sop twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Thousand people work in the state of Michigan, you know, roughly,
I would say within the cannabis.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And they have families.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Some might just not have families, They just have themselves
and they depend on these jobs. And now when brands
got to cut costs and cut costs to save money
so they can stay in business, it goes down to workers. Right.
But then when when those costs come, where does the
price go? It raises the price for us as consumers.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Not only yeah, but it also brings a quality down.
So now you're paying more for garbage, like for worse.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Right, So good quality is going more of everything would
go up in price.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
At that point, we're gonna see a lot of these
people with good quality, who focus on quality go out
of the business because they spend the money investing in
themselves in quality. Some people cutting corners are not necessarily
people you want.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
They're gonna have to just everyone's gonna be raising costs,
and that's going to go to the consumers. At the
end of the day, the consumers are gonna pay most
of it, guaranteed. Like most businesses can't eat up this
costs already eating up, so much cost because they can't
write shit off. You know, there's like so many stuff
that these have they have to go through until to it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's kind of a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Some companies are gonna do what they have to do
because some people are already having to like make sales
if they don't want to. Yeah, it's and then you
said you're gonna see a great divide. You're gonna see
some people like, well, fuck, all right, thankfully we're doing okay.
Some people are going to crash.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, and somehow, you know, you might be getting stuff
for fifty sixty, might be up to seventy eighty, you know,
for the price and the tax on top of that.
So it's just then you got the sixteenth. But then
we got the thing is, it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Doesn't even matter what the reason is. This twenty four
percent could like ruin them. It can. It's gonna be
detrimental to the market and like and that's why, like
when you're talking about like lawsuits and stuff, like, I
really hope these lawsuits can disrupt it and make these
decisions get prolonged or maybe having to be rewritten so
maybe lessened or something.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, I believe it's unconstitutional too, if I saw I
was looking at some posts too with how it all
transpired and stuff, because it's like, we the people voted
this in two back in twenty eighteen, and I saw
some comments on a post that were talking about is
being constitutional, so there might be lawsuits with that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, if you can get it nulled out and void,
that would be amazing, you know what I mean. There's
gonna it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's gonna be interest in the next couple of months,
because like, you got the holidays upcoming. Obviously they recess
on the holidays because they always take a break for everything, right,
So who knows how much they're actually gonna going into
twenty six because they got the budget passed.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Now, I don't how much they recess when they're supposed
to work.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I know, on a budget that's for them so
they don't have to not work. Because it was that Tuesday,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was like, what the hell if I have a
BOLS you have going, If I have a.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Budgety meeting, I don't, I don't get to just go yo, recess.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's sweet, it would be I'm gonna start to start
doing it. I'letna start pulling that. Yeah, uh no.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But in all honestly, it's a it's shitty, it's shitty.
So I think the next couple of months will be huge.
I don't know what we'll get done, but I already
heard lawsuits, I've seen we got lobbying groups. You have
people fighting day in and day out right now for
us just continue. I mean, there's really nothing our sunders
as could thing that's in their hands, you know, the
(36:03):
people that are already talking, and we're gonna be reporting
some of that to you all when we get it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So if there's any other rallies or anything, yeah, you
don't just win. And that's the biggest thing is like
it just doesn't feel right, like at all.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It doesn't like and hopefully people don't start losing their
jobs right away, because that would be the worst thing
to you know, Like that's what hurts me the most,
because it's like people, corporate America hates cannabis. We all
know that for the most part, A lot of it
(36:38):
don't look if it's on your resume.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You're saying, you're saying it's not something that's it's it's
looked at as a negative thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
If you if you have that on your resume, they're
not gonna look at it good if you if you
if you get out of the cannabis industry, or say
you happen to lose your job, like a lot of
people left other jobs to get into the cannabis industry,
a new industry, and take a chance on something they
believed in. And then with this coming down said another
hurdle that it's facing with all the.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Hurdles, that's right, you're saying almost it's gonna look like
a resume gap to some of these people.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Could potentially it could be more detrimental because like how
it's Cotle only cannabis man, not everyone likes to look
at Look.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
How easy this was for people to pass it. It
was the old like well, I will say there are
certain companies who are forward thinking and and I but
you're absolutely right, there is still that that negative stigma
like and I know it's you know, obviously generational. We're
gonna see it slowly kind of dissipate over time. But
at the same time, I think it's I see when
(37:38):
you bring it up, that's not something I even really
thought of. I thought more when you said, you know,
people left their professional jobs. I thought, yeah, you're absolutely right,
because people left jobs that were probably even higher paying
because they're passionate about this.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, and then look at what's happening at there's people
that are like invested so much stuff to even take
a chance, and then they're gonna have to close up,
Like it's just what you're doing is going to destroy
just destroyed people. It's myss. But yeah, well we'll be posting,
sharing stuff, we'll be talking about it again. If you
didn't check out our relief relief recent episode, geez, I
(38:17):
couldn't speak there. We had Lance from First Smoke with
the Day On, which is a pretty cool, fun episode
about the longer one with about two hours, told us
some cool stories, also some stuffing he hasn't talked about before,
got some insight on what he thinks the next purpose
et ceters.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Potentially he's hand, but he's just gonna say it anyway. No, sorry,
I'm trying to find him. Going through our pages, I
cannot recall someone's shared that there was something going on,
and I'm just wish I had to preplay that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
But also, again, like I said earlier, our waking bits
are every Saturday, nine am Eastern, so make sure you
come in and tune in. Check it out with the community, Instagram, YouTube,
face book, wherever you check us out, we are there.
So come in, wake up, bake up, smoke with us.
It's usually a good time. We got some cool stuff
(39:08):
coming for you. Some recaps around our ig page. We
were out at the Sessions event. If you didn't check
that out recently, shout out to Tony and the team
over there. They did a great job out in New
Buffalo is like on a golf course. Very unique how
they had it. They had brands in each room. They
had a little area where you could learn about the
(39:29):
brands like people were talking about it. Again, a lot
of education, which is something you don't see at all events.
So he's pushing education heavy there, which was great. Did
you find it?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I found one thing the Michigan Tea Party. I remember
we've seeing this come around saying they were gonna, you know,
almost sound just like protesting and stuff, kind of sharing
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I saw the MC. I already followed the lawsuit too, so.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Trying to find it. There was one. Yeah, we're trying
to Yeah, at the end of day there are stuff
going on. Say, look, check out the socials because there
are stuff we'll share when we find it again. I'm sorry,
but yeah, man, it's messed up. It's hard to joke.
I was trying to joke, but it was just such
a serious talk. You know, it's hard to make jokes
(40:16):
this time, you know, because it's just a messed up
kind of there's nothing to joke about.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'll make jokes like I was trying to make jokes
in the middle of it, but you know, but this
one's more of a like a just factual stuff going on.
It's not right adding twenty four percent tax, you already
sixteen percent tax. Someone's paying that tax, whether it's the
end user or the whole person selling it or the people,
and then they're making less money. No matter what, everyone loses.
(40:40):
Only one who wins is the people fixing the roads,
which is kind of like, isn't there another way there's
other ways get the market that you just built less
than a decade later?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, seriously, there's other ways we can make money for
the tax. There's other things we can do. We're already
tax on everything. Jeez, didn't we do it? Teep? Already
exactly because.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Why I said, we kind of need another one because
this ain't working. Man, Like, what if just no one
pays it? You stop the market, You can stop all
the money, you stop all the revenue, you make no
money from it. The governments can take none of the
taxes on that. They don't want. No monies, No monies,
you want none of the monies. What the hell? Governments?
(41:25):
What the buck? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I got nothing else because I'm gonna continue repeating Myself's.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
What I'm saying. So anyways, six of the socials will
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this was just our thoughts and our reflections. We're going
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We're here to advocate, educate, and inspire the next time
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