Oversaturated But Still Lit: Reviewing Moonrocks & Michigan’s Green Scene

In this jam-packed episode of MiCannaCast, hosts CannaDave and Groovee finally sit down after a whirlwind summer of cannabis culture, music, and events. This one’s for the real heads: part review, part industry roundtable, part storytelling session – all unfiltered.
We kick things off with a Best in Grass review of Candela’s Live Resin Moonrocks (Log Cabin x Apollo).

What starts out as an exciting product quickly turns into a sticky adventure: clogged grinders, resin everywhere, and a brutally honest breakdown of how it smokes, tastes, and whether it’s worth your time. Expect candid scores, nostalgic talk about tarantula joints, and a lot of laughs as the sticky mess takes over the studio.

From there, the conversation widens into Michigan’s cannabis industry:

• Why the market is oversaturated with weed but short on cash flow (“too much weed, not enough green”)

• CRA fines, regulations, and whether enforcement is helping or hurting

• The wave of big companies leaving Michigan – and why community, quality, and brand loyalty matter more than giant facilities and hype names.

• What it takes to survive in a market where everyone has “fire” but only a few build a real following, and

Because it’s MiCannaCast, there’s plenty of life outside the smoke too:

• Big Dub Festival & Harem Recap – the people, the music, the vibes

• Groovy’s intense and transformative sweat lodge ceremony (and why it’s not for the faint of heart)

• Summer event plans include Summer & Smoke Out in the UP, grassroots cannabis events, giveaways, and more

This episode is a ride through sticky moonrocks, candid cannabis truths, and the real culture that fuels the community.

Whether you’re here for honest reviews, industry talk, or just to feel like you’re sitting in the room with friends after a long summer – hit play, roll one up, and join us.

Chapters / Show Notes
00:00 – Opening banter: catching up after a busy summer
02:41 – Best in Grass review intro: Candela Live Resin Moonrocks (Log Cabin x Apollo)
06:31 – Moonrock unboxing: sticky grinder, smell, and first impressions
13:21 – Rolling & smoking the moonrocks: burnability and flavor struggles
20:31 – Final scores and thoughts on the moonrock product
24:31 – News update: CRA fines and Michigan cannabis enforcement
30:11 – Oversaturated Michigan market: “too much weed, not enough green”
42:01 – Building a brand vs. just buying one: Cookies & Gage example
48:01 – Festival recap: Harem vendors, glassblowing, community events
52:01 – Groovy’s sweat lodge experience and Big Dub Festival highlights
55:01 – Looking ahead: Summer & Smoke Out, giveaways, and closing shout-outs

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yo, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to a new episode
of My Canicass. I'm candidate on this. On today's episode,
we're gonna dive into another best in Grass review.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
As well as we're gonna talk a little bit about
what's going on the news, uh news update, which we've been.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
So caught up with events.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
We're busy summer.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We've been going to different events, so we're gonna talk
about multiple events.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
We haven't seen each other in a while, it's been
like a week.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, we got some stuff to catch up on.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Kind of say, I know there's actually.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
One more thing going on too that I'm blanking on.
But we have a lot going on this episode.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
So hopefully.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Thing either we shall see to be TBD to be determined, but.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, we got a lot to discuss and would be
kind of fun because we're catching up too, so it's
gonna be a lot of genuine questions. Yeah, and here's
of those events went for you too, So.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, it'll be cool. Man. I'm excited to hear about
Big Dub. I'll dive into hareem. We have events going
on this coming weekend. Boonie Bash was last weekend. A
lot of stuff happening, and we're gonna first kick it
off with this review here groovy oh yeah, and the
review is from the best in Grass. That's interesting. It's
like a little space thing here, like what the hell?

(01:34):
It's like you win? It s all right. On that note,
Dave shouldn't touch anything anymore. So yes, we're gonna be
diving into Candela moon Rocks. This is log cabin in Apollo.
This is their live resin Moonrock. So it says two
grams and that is.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
The weirdest thing in the world. I'm sorry. I I
we can keep going because it's not that we do.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
But I was trying to pull up your lower third
for like Canada, right, And for some reason, every time
I pulled up your lower third, it would say it
says it says Canadave, says Canadave, Cannabis Advocate and cultivator, right,
and I click it, and every time it just says Canadave,
Founder of Flows.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm like what For.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Some reason, I am not that I know, and it
won't change Timmy's low lower third. So I've been sitting
here trying to and same thing with me, like this
is Canab's advocate moves a producer. If I pull up
my lower third, it's gonna say founder of flows and
it won't go away.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So I just grinded this weed up and we didn't
even look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean I looked at it for.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
A second inside of it. Actually it does.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Look like did you break it all up? Let me see,
Yang didn't break it all up.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
It actually looks like it's actually in there because it's
kind of sticky because none came out like actually deep it. Yeah,
it would have been helped to see the live resident,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It doesn't. Damn. Dave will have to be a little
bit of loose and genuine nice on this one because
it doesn't look like there's a lot of like live
reson in there. But you're right that does cause stickiness.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, no, it grinds very sticky.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
But I will say I smell more like dabs in
it than I do like hash the way we did.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just smell like that straight hash from the last couple.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And doesn't smell like confused, I mean, not like editors.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, okay, so I'll get there's definitely it's definitely in there.
I just don't know to what ratio, because Dave, you know,
Dave was like, we're getting this done.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean, it's so sticky that it won't even come
out the grinder.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, it is supposedly two grams, and since we're doing this,
actually let me do it like this. Since we're gonna
do it like this, I don't know if we went
too much into it, but it is Moon Rocks and
it's bike I hope I'm saying it's right Kindela Candela,
and it says log Cabin plus Apollo, so I believe

(03:52):
that's probably like the wax and the Flower, but they
don't specify, which I wish they did. I'm just starting
to get into like kind of the review there and then.
And also the TA was fifty eight point five five percent,
the CBD was point one percent, and the terps were
one point seventy nine percent. So when in for refuse product,
I'm actually, you know, it's not like so crazy with

(04:13):
the terps you know where you you know what I mean,
But it's not super low either.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So, bro, this shit is so sticky it's not even
coming out the grinder.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Damn, we should just use some scissors.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
And we didn't know, right, compared to everything else we've
tested so far, yeah, I couldn't tell you, but like
I can't even get it out the grinder.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, Dave's gonna keep working on that. And on that note,
that is part of the review. That's kind of a
bummer and a heads up. If you're gonna do forget
this stuff, maybe you don't use the grinder, maybe just
break it up the old fashioned way with your hands.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Or this is good for them because I mean you
actually have live reson in it at least, thank god.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeap. And that's actually, you know, maybe our mistake, mean
we should have not used it like that. I don't
really know.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, every other review we've done so far, out of
the other four, they've all just we've just used the
grinder because there must have been not been a lot
lot on nice not enough live resident.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh cool, finally I was always wondering how to change
the lower third colors and I finally did it. So
finally got it the match.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, oh finally that's cool.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
My shirt everything matches. That's cool.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Anyways, it worked out all right.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Messing around with stuff, But why Dave does that When
we do these moon Rock reviews, we do have I
think ten categories on this one. Yeah, yeah, so we're
just going through them. And one thing that we do
in the first one, I believe it's fifteen, is we
usually go through the start. Anything I can help with,
just use breakup when you can. Here, let me see
what's let me see what else is in there? Yeah,

(05:48):
I mean it's sticky stuff. Huh.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was thinking about just throwing a little bit of
my bud with it, but like that ruins the review
because we just.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Do the less. We don't need to smoke all of it. Bro,
you got some broken up right.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
There, I know for a little joint, super small, all right.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And alls we really need is like what seven hits
for six hits? A couple of in the beginning, a
couple of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Technically, I guess I'm saying we did do on your list.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
This is good. This is something to make a note
of and like a good point where I mean with that,
I don't think I see anything on the packaging that
says don't use the grinder, right, So I mean, if
it doesn't, that's a good note because look at I mean,
you're gonna you might I mean, think about if you
would have spend money on this, you'd.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Be frustrated right now.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, So that's a good review to make note of this.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I also don't think it's a horrible thing though, No,
wmer is what I'm saying that though, too, I'm just
saying correct. I'm just saying I think it's good for
Cantdella because it actually looks like you actually put live
resin within this product, because.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
It says live on it right on the package. I
actually think I did forget to put that.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, I just did the package away.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
But it definitely does say that on the package, and
it says oh, by the way, does say sativa, So
that's what they are?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, No, No, the packaging overall, I mean, I think
i'd probably give it like a seven and a half
is pretty ten.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty basic. I think. The only thing
I'm kind of like, I'm glad they gave you the
strain names on both, which I really appreciate, but.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I do really wish that we would have known.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Which one was a fly, which one was alive resident
and like, so does that mean it's just generic Keith?
You know, I mean things like that, And I just
I tend to ask a lot of questions with these
infused products because I just tend to ask the questions
with these. You know what I'm saying, would you give
it out of ten?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, like I said, it's just a.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Basic okay, and then here's a little extra. Oh yeah,
so I guess I'll roll this up. Now we jump.
Then we jump into quality of bud. I mean quality
of bud. I mean we have it out fifteen. I
would say it's pretty good. I mean, just based on
how it rolled.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, like that's a good point. But I also don't
want to go too high or too low, just because
I wasn't able to look at it, you know, but
I still give it bed for the job.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'll still give it like an eleven.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I was able to look at it. I just didn't
wasn't able to break it open because that was stricty.
I just didn't open it. Yeah, it's like a twelve.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I'll give them twelve, benefit of the doubt, eleven eleven.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
We'll probably go twelve because it was it was sticky.
I saw it when it broke up. Overall, pretty good
out of all the other stuff we've seen so far.
From the bags, because the other one was more hashed,
the other one was a little bit more turp infused
and dryer, so a lot of different facts.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
All right, now we're back.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
We were taking a second because I want we were
gonna get lit up and rolled up.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Saved some time.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And then I also in the meantime spelt coffee all
over myself because I got a coffee cup that was
split in half. So that was like that took us
a little bit longer. But we're trying to hit this now.
And I say that because it's so sticky, we're actually
having a hard time getting it lit and smoking it.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
There was the last weed at the front. I was
just I couldn't even just sticky. But rolling that train,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
That I'm not really getting much. I really liking the
flavor I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't know how you're getting flavor, to be honest.
It doesn't even look like it's barely burning. It's like
so little mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I don't know if we should I don't even know.
If I have a bowl somewhere, I could find a bowl,
maybe a ball will get hit out of.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Let me see it.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It might be our best bet. Come back and hit
it out of a bowl. So yeah, that's that's a
little bit harder to review when it's harder, rolls like
Dave might have got something out of that one. So
maybe it just takes a little bit to go going.
If you're gonna smoke it this way, cleaners learning to

(09:50):
get some drag, but not a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
It's just super sticky.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's weird because it looks like the papers like not
burning properly the paper.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
At this point, let's just try to hit it, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes when you deal with these
moon rocks, it's a little bit harder. And we've been
able to smoke most of them through.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Here at least I got to hit each out. Gotta
just pull harder on it. It's a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So it's really just like long I would have I
would advise if you got this, I would add a
little bit of your own tree to it to give
it a little bit more of a Burnay exciting.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
The ratio is a little heavy.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
From wax to like everything else.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, which is I mean people complain that there's never
enough wax.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
This is I'm saying. It's almost like an ur or
just putting this.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
In bowls, And absolutely I think a bowl would have
been great, but I honestly we I was thinking of
putting some regular bud in it, but since it's a review,
I didn't want to. So I did it because I
figured a little extra budd, a little dry button that's
not resin it would probably smoke pretty good. I knew that.

(11:07):
Plus a lot of the ending hit a lot the
more uh the meat, that's nice at least. All right,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, you just have to really pull it to get
it started. So I will say it does seem like
a lot of wax. I don't know if I would
say like the turpius like wax like meaning like I
don't know if I recognize a turp, but you.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Can definitely get a waxy your taste out of it.
So it's good. Yeah. Good. I feel like I'm gonna
get high off this product, which is a shocker compared
to some of the other ones we've tried so far.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And even though we lost stuff in the grinder and
still couldn't roll it off, still couldn't get a lot
of it smoked. And since it burns so damn slow,
because you know what, it kind of reminds you of
back in the day tarantulas, the way it tastes like
a classic tarantula where it's not necessarily like wow, it's

(11:57):
the specific turb It just tastes.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Like, ah, extra, that's like an extra wax extra. Think
about it. That's a moon rock.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And that it is right, But that's what it tastes like.
There's no specific extra too much hash. There's not like
too much flour, not too much wax. It just tastes
like that. It's like generic Tranchela tastes.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like I'm not I don't know if I've ever even
heard of Apollo or log Cabin, but I don't know
if I taste any Apollo.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's probably ever affiliated with Apollo thirteen.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh I remember Apollo thirteen.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, okay, guys, I just didn't as old Apollo is
an old strain. I haven't had that a couple.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Is that Maybe that was Maybe that's why it ryan's
of that an old Tranchela. I just think that's all
I get. I don't necessarily get a specific taste where
I'm like wow, I love that.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And how much residence coming down. I mean, I'm happy
that there's so much, but I wish I would have
had a little dry butt add to that, because this
would smoke really probably pretty good. You know, if I
had a little dry budd it would probably burn real nice,
is what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, we're reviewing this for what it is correct, and
I would still advised doing a bowl.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I just don't smoke balls, so for me, we'd but
a bowl is probably your best. But honestly, a nice
bond put a little butt on it.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't even know what I have one in the house.
I smoke, you know, I smoke flower socially. But gas masket,
damn or express wing gas masket. I mean, you have
it right there that we had. We could gas basket
the last bit if you want. But it kind of
kills the review.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Can you taste it? No, I just smell smoke taste.
I'm with you on that groove. It literally tastes like
a tarantula, like a cool fifteen, like an old school tarantela,
old school hash not hash, but like hash.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Plant eleven Like it's not bad, but I wouldn't say
it's great either, like somewhere in the middle, a little
above normal, because it does give me at least that
nostalgia eleven and a half, you know what I mean.
I can't say twelve, thirteen, fourteen, because then I would
say that's like a good tasting maybe even just eleven.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's even pushing it.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
But I mean it's not like you know, I mean,
I'll lean it towards the front for nostalgia, but it's
not initially you know, next level turpy. It is crazy
how long it's taking us to smoke like three centimes
on this joint.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Bro, I know, we barely had buds.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
So yeah, yeah, he lost. Like like if you only
paid a decent price for it and you're only using
it to like smoke like one fat ass Jada concert,
it's like, well you would have it, or like you
would along joint like I think would smoke forever. I
think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Mix it with some flour. Would have burned a little quicker.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
But yeah, easier. The ash is, I mean, thatsh is
not bad. He got a little oil line coming through,
which you should see with that.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's mostly oil. Yeah, so that think that's the only
reason why I do well, Like, don't mind the highs
because it's probably mostly wet.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I gave about eight in the ash point two because
it's it's clean that middle.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
The only thing is it's tough to hit.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, honestly, it gets those moments like a couple of
hits were we're able to hit it, but it's just
tough to smoke out of a joint.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, you know, I'm kind of bummed with that. I'm
having a hard time in like enjoying it. But I
feel like I'm getting stone absolutely absolutely, I'm probably gonna
roll up a joint here in a minute, and I'm
hoping the rest of the ship just goes in it
because it just sticks to the other bud. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, you can't really smoke too much in the middle,
So I'm right there with you on the ash. But
when we get to the middle, I really can't rank
it because it's kind of hard to hit. Right now,
I'm actually a little worried we're not gonna get past here.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I don't think we will. And the reason I'm saying
that is because the filter and then this is all
resin up and it's already getting hard. They can barely if.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I have like a pinmun't even have a pin.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
So this, unfortunately slims just happened in reviews. You know,
it's it's an unfortunate case, we won't even able to
finish it on the end, So I won't give it
much high. In a fact, like Gruby said, you do
get a nice little buzz from this, for sure, I'm
getting a nice body buzz, chilling good for the daytime.
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It can't even say that you smoked it at a
bowl a bit.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Easy experience either it might have got two resin either.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's it's a lot of resin in that thing burning
like an incense, just super slow and like consistently that
was giving us like me at head rush, they're just
trying to hit it.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, because you're sucking it down so hard.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's like it's just kind of hard to be able
to give it a passing score when that wasn't necessarily
like an experience where I was like, that was enjoyable,
you know what I mean. So I will, you know,
I will not be able to forget this joint for
the experience that it was, because like when we go
to the review, it's just I don't think it's going
to pass there either. But I mean, it wasn't like
I said, I don't I don't know where this sits

(16:55):
in the price either. That's the one thing that I
always like to give it a benefit of the doubt
that like, say we bought this on the shelves and
it was like eight bucks, you'd be like, well, yes,
well you got you paid for right corre. I don't
know what you're paying for it on the shelves. So
but as a review, it's just really hard to pass. Yeah,
we're only going off best of the best, and I
would not.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Say this is the best of the best mon rocks
when you can't smoke it.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
We had moon wrong joints where we've been able to
smoke it with the window, now you know what I mean.
Like that's so it's like if we can't even smoke
a joint in here, and granted the wind there is
a light fan on, like we can't even hit it.
So it's kind of hard to give it past the middle.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, No, I know, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Manqued from our own judging system, and well then we'll
judge it accordingly for the best of grass, you know,
I mean, you don't even give it enough.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
To you know, you can't get half the ranking.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean they did good with the resident, they just
need a little bit more bud with it, I think
because the ratio is off there. Yeah, just a little bit,
because it's hard to I mean, I grinded it up
in the grinder, and you saw what happened to it.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I agree with you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
It wasn't like we did anything different. I feel bad
because I was looking forward to trying it.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I want to take some turfs because it was a
real rough on the taste. Taste buds too.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So anyways, the ship's so sticky.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Anyways, that review that could was the review because I'm
gonna go ahead and take that off the screen so
that the concludes the review.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So damn, I think my grinders even room because if
how sticky it is, how much bud stuck in my grinder.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Days like it's losing negative points right now, my good
I will have to give you one of the three
I barely use.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Dads don't need to be ground up. It's nice just
put them in the little little thing and.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Push them on you dog. No, but well, well.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Do do do do?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Do? Eating my fucking bud?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Daves having the best of times right now?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
From the review, No, you can see how much resident
they put in it, I mean, which is not bad.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Because it's just I said I got high for what
it was. I got a buzz. Buzz was not the
issue in that thing. It's just I can't give it
a true ranking when I couldn't rank the other.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, I couldn't smoke it couldn't smoke it.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I don't even know if fails the right way to
say I think disqualified for the better way to say, yeah,
because it wasn't like if it would have smoked right,
or if I would.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, you had high potential. Yeah, didn't smell like
bubblegum like the other one, which was like just so
much that Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
No, I mean honestly, you're right, a little bit more
of the packaging and made it through.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I just needed to smoke. But I'm not going
to sit here and give myself a what was it
called where you pass out because I'm no oxygen to
the brain trying to hit that like that that was
that was the only thing that sucked, Like, I mean,
I just came out just a little bit more bud
love the love the resin on it actually like that's great,

(19:45):
but man, just bummed. I mean, if anyone else, if
anyone else had the moon rocks and had that problem.
Please message it because I'm very curious on that.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah. Yeah, because honestly, like you said, yeah, the buzz
was pretty solid. The taste wasn't bad. Reminded me of
the old school transl like hashy weed taste like that
was fine. Who would have made it all the way
through and like just.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Through the middle. I didn't even care about the end.
If we're a resident them at the end.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Cool already given R two after that. So anyways, yeah, anyways,
so let's let's talk, man, Let's talk a little bit.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Let's talk a little bit.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
All right, Well, we'll talk. He's like, let's talk. Let
me take you.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, I was gonna do a news update route well
and then talk about events because I figured we have
a lot to talk about events.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I guess we got a lot of talk about. I
am ready to discuss what article you got?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
This one's just real quick. I just want to bring
it up because it felt like worthy to bring up.
That's all. So the CRI find twenty five businesses in
Michigan and like the last week accordiums artist who is it?
Two weeks? Article closed? But sorry that dab, But I
did think that was kind of an interesting article because

(21:00):
they clearly just put it out just to remind you,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I feel like they are in June.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I feel like there's just like how many violations happening
by the CRA right now, and then they're not trying
to fix anything. So, CIRA, if you're listening, I would
love to get you on the podcast to discuss this,
because we don't know, we're just here doing it. We
just hear stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So I think what I would love to see about
the CIRA is more more adjusting to the regulations going
on in this system and less violations of those that
are just being like low hanging fruit or probably just
people from dispensaries calling on other dispensaries, or like one
of the reviews was a billboard violation. I mean, there's

(21:48):
all these little things, which I mean, I get they happen,
but like you talk about, like we always kind of like,
hey still hear about backdoor distill it. We still hear
about people adding turbs wrong, people not getting paid. You know,
these are big things. You want the market to continue.

(22:09):
Let's get everyone paid so that way the market can continue.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, you're telling me.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right, So I think honestly, it's not necessary that the
CIRA is doing anything wrong as their focus isn't right,
like you know what I mean, they get they have
to do those violations too, and then you know you
were bringing this earlier. They have so many people compared
to other regulate regulatory agencies.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
They got violations compared to other states.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Every stage numbers.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, no, no, so like most violations, like I believe that's
what it was. It was like nine hundred and everyone
else was like minuscule. I think CALLI had the second
most four five hundred. But no, I saw it on
the internet, so is it true. I don't know, so
I can't back it up, but it looked legit. I
was like, damn, that's insane, just to see how much
we do. And yeah, the SERIA is doing their thing,
and you know they got a lot to do, but

(22:55):
also it's got to be fair what they do to
do both though you have to do.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
If you're going to just do those violations, that makes sense.
That's like police giving you speeding tickets. All right, we
get it, speeding tickets having to exist, but only if
they're actually stopping the real crime. If you're either giving
people like speeding violations. Meanwhile, there's a trap house down
the street. It's like, what the hell are you doing?
That's just taking the low hanging fruit, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't know, I think that's something the CRA. I
mean they might maybe they're over staffed.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And that's why I said, I'm not calling out the
CRA by any means. It's just something I wish the
CRA could do, because if we want this market to continue,
people got to get paid.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
If the you know what I mean, Like, there needs
to be so much that they need to do, so,
I mean, they need to fix so much. I'm not
even going to detail.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And that's what I'm just saying. That's a big one
right now for me is I keep hearing companies or
own like six figure amounts, a lot of them, and
we've heard how many times and you.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Were just me and you.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Absolutely so crazy crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
And then like I kind of wanted to kind of
like edge over into like, uh, the conversation of some
other stuff too, but I don't know if we should
use this time to segue into.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
It hit me with it.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So okay, I'll do it. So I guess I kept
seeing this in the the other article. So this is
kind of like combining a bunch of articles into like.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
One statement, if you will, because.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
There was two or three articles that all said.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
The same thing, multiple people leaving the Michigan market because
is there too much weed and not enough green? And
I was like, that's interesting because what they're basically saying,
ha ha ha greens punned double on Condra, but they're
saying is they're too much bud, too many people community
companies right now, and not enough actual money for the market.
Because at first it was like all these companies there

(24:51):
was enough money, everyone was eating, you know, it was
good and prices were high enough. And now that the
prices have dropped significantly in the amount of competition has
increased signif. It's basically got a double like a double
not even double headed sword, just getting hit from two
different directions, you know what I mean. You know, I
don't even know a good metaphor for that, but getting
hit twice twice as hard right while you're down, get

(25:13):
me hit while you're down kind of thing. So I
I just kind of I am curious your thoughts on that,
because there's clearly multiple people leaving the state. There's a
lot of people that we know that are you know,
that are in this that's around with grassroots here that
are like, yeah, but I need to make money, so
I gotta go somewhere else to fund this. You know,
it's like, yeah, I own market right now.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
My perspective on it all is a lot of the
big businesses came here and they scaled too quick, or
they came here with a huge plant license and you're
in my opinion's that's why you're seeing Taras un go
because you know, they came in and had all these licenses.
They paid millions for the cookies engage right deal that

(25:57):
obviously failed because they left. But when you're when you
don't build a brand in this industry, you're not gonna
stay around long term. And what I mean by that
is if you're not if you don't build the community
with your lit with your people that purchase your product,
or your social gap, your social following, if you're not
there for your people, you're not going to stay in

(26:20):
the market long term because with the overhead that you
do with like thousand plants, ya think lights, you gotta
think water, you gotta think nutrients, you gotta think trimming,
You gotta think all this that shit adds up over time,
and you can't continue loose. You can't continue to lose
millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars and
think you're going to be successful in this market. Think
of the brands right now that are successful or that

(26:41):
are here, that are doing good, or that at least
think are successful. Are these ones I see at events?
Their products speaks for theirself. Their social media filing is
pretty good or really good. They have people going for
their product consistently. You see it. People talk about it
in our streams. No one was ever like, yo, you
try that gauge your cookies. You don't hear that there
wasn't a brand built behind it. You had cookies that

(27:03):
came from Cali with burner, but he didn't bring any
of the Cali growers to trade us.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Being from Michigan, I heard a Gauge Green group before
I heard of Gauge. Yeah, So just saying I'm not
gonna like go around gonna n pick that, you know, bullshit,
because like there was some the naming rights from the
big corporate stuff. Yeah no, no, no, I'm just saying, if
you want to look up the history, there's a whole
history on that. But we know Gauge Grand Green Group

(27:29):
and shout out to look at But like we're just
saying like that. That's that's the thing about it all
is it came in as a corporate thing. Like it
wasn't real the real cookies. The real cookies was the
ship I smoked in Maywood, California. The originally that shit
was cookies, you know what I mean, because it hit
bro that shit hit and that was like twenty nineteen,
pre pre prandemically right before the pandemic. Like that shit

(27:50):
was like gas, right, and then I realized that's when
I realized the brand doesn't matter as much as the cultivars.
That's the cultivar.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, absolutely, but I have a same complete opposite. Now
I'm saying you have to build a brand here, No,
you're not able to stay in business. And that's what I's.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Got to have good I was just saying, you gotta
have good bud though, too. You can't just sell off
a brand. It's got to be like two.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Absolutely, you got to be able to know what you're doing.
You gotta product.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You're right though, but no, okay, so hold on, so
let me let me digress. You got to have good
we good cultivars. I was just trying to say, you
can't just succeed just off buying a brand and not
really having anything around it.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's all I was trying to say.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Absolutely, So side note to when you were just talking
about having a brand, you have to have a brand
once you get to a market that has a lot
of volume and a lot of competition, because if you
don't have the brand, what makes you stand out? There's
a lot of good But that's my point because I
think even in this market, dude, as much as we
don't want to admit it and be like, there's there's

(28:47):
like what's it called, there's these the best of the best,
But dude, let's be honest, some of the mid tier
shit out here was blowing people away. When I was
on the East Coast, man like, they're like, bro, this
is stupid.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I was like twenty five bucks a gram. They're like,
what like for Rozon, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Like shout out to Wojo, I smell brought my donut
and smelled you with my Colorado fam and they got
lit quality product right there. Yeah, man, I mean I
found a Wojo donut there and I smelled it. I
mean no, I didn't. No, no, but for real, like
I think Michigan's even mid tier holds up to a

(29:28):
lot of places mine. That's my point is so when
I say that, Bro, I think we do have a
lot of high quality. We just have a lot of
hot people here who have high expectations, high quality standards.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
There's just many factors. We have a lot of candaves.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, no, I mean we do have a lot of
people that are picking you like can't das. We have
a lot of cultivars to take this shit seriously.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, no, absolutely, there's a foundation of a caregivers out here.
Bro was Built's built the community, It's so built the industry.
It's two thousand when I went legal. I'm actually curious
what's gonna happen with caregivers because the numbers continue to
cl learning with the medical programs, I'm curious how long
that actually stays round. I saw some numbers in there.
There's not many, man, so.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
But my whole thing too, especially with the whole not
I'm gonna pull up more for one more second than
not not enough, too much bud not enough green, too
much weeding off green. Thing is that you can't really
I don't want to put them more. I'm moratorium on
the licenses either.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I think that's why businesses are closing down though, too,
because there is no moratorium coming. I think they talked
about it, but I.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Do because this is the conundrum because at some point
you're like, Okay, I get it now, because you do
want some people to survive that are good. You never
know the lift that moratorium, and you don't know who
affects and who gets screwed out of it. And that's
why I said, it's like, it's a hard thing to
really make a point on. And that was my That's
why I want to bring that off all for that conversation,
because there was three articles on that. I was like,

(30:47):
all right, I want to talk about three articles saying
the same fucking thing. Like, let's just talk about the
problem here. And the problem is that we are in
oversaturated market with our mid tier ship's pretty good, our
top tier ship's fucking really good. It's internationally held up, bro,
because we've tried shit. Now we can I can literally
say we've tried Spain, right, I've tried, Like, I mean,
I really want to go to Canada now or I

(31:08):
and try their hash there and see what their.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Legal market all the body Howbridge is opening to me.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And that's kind of the biggest issue with this is
you can't really say the best thing to do is
cut off licenses like a moratorium, or the best thing
is to let it weed itself out. But in my opinion,
you got to kind of let it the weed itself
out because like you said, you can't really know who's
going to get affected by a moratorium, So in my opinion,
you got to kind of let just let it do that, right.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, No, And I think that's what's happening. That's what
we're seeing right now. And I'm curious who survives this
upcoming c optober. It's far away, but it's right around
the corner, man, product that's where a lot of product
hits the market and sales will usually drop. But I mean,
we go to these events, man, and we see people
having a blast. You're seeing brands continually go their lines up.
I mean so because because you're right, the people that

(31:52):
built the foundation and had the quality product and stuck
around with the maid, the branding now are the ones
being successful that people only folks on the shiny branding
and never folks on the quality are simming out. I
think about the ones that came in just trying to
make a splash real quick, like you're just talking about cookies.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
They bought the cookies brand so gauge could act like
they were cookies, but they weren't fucking cookies because they
couldn't grow like cookies exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Everyone can. Everyone can grow a cookie if you don't.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Have both to survive in this market.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
But if you don't have a good product, then like
I don't see the point of getting in.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Not if you're having thousands of plants and you're growing right,
Like you could have a bad product and be like
five o'clock vadka. Sure, but like you're not gonna get
like overhead, you know, I mean, there's not gonna be
you're not gonna be able to get rid of that much.
I don't think. I don't know. Maybe there are a
lot of people that smoke a little product that's cheaper
and you do get it.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I guess no, you definitely get it. That's not the
it's not about quality, not quality.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
They must just saw so much negative negative numbers, like
over months, dude, years.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
No, it's not just a quality matters to you know,
maybe ten twenty percent of the people. There's definitely people
want to smoke good shit. But the problem is, okay,
so if you don't have the quality of products right,
you really can't build the brand because what are you
building the brand around?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
That's my whole point, right, you could be a cheap
brand and go with being cheap branding.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
But nothing. You don't get that quality of being good.
You just get that quality of being cheap. So the
day your price is one day, it's out one day.
If it goes back up in price or it's different
at a different disclo, you're not gonna buy it. Likes
not real branding. You're just buying because the high t
c are you are? Those Those are the same crew
who don't necessarily ask what brand it is. I'm trying
to make. I guess my whole thing is, you're talking

(33:34):
about two different people, two different client clienteles. There totally
different people. Some people are going there to get the
highest cheat see for the cheapest, and some people are
trying to remember the brand and try to smoke the
best flavor to get the most high. So I think
you might be talking about two different people and they
don't think they overlap that much. Because how often you're
gonna go to the disco and say, give me the
most I can buy it for the cheapest amount. Let's

(33:55):
be how one are you gonna do that?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Me's not gonna do it, gonna do it. Yeah, he's
absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Different clients, so you can't really put him in the
same category. You have to understand that what survives in
this market is either quality or the quantity, right. I
just don't think that quantity is gonna build a brand.
That's where you get the white labeling stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
True, can you make some money, You might make some money.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Even honestly, now that we're in an oversaturated market, you
have to have even have pretty good ship to be
white label, Like even our cheap ship's pretty solid, because dude,
I'm not gonna lie I smoked some ship that he's like, yeah,
I got this from wherever, like New York or Pennsylvania
where he was from.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Bro boo boos.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
There's some booboos still out there.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Man should have brought some.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, there was multiple no, no, no, no, no no,
boo boos nous. I'm not taking risks for boo boos.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
No, I would say bring some of them back out there.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, no, I mean whatever, but yeah, but not the point.
The whole point is that there's still some boobos, even.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Our bad ships still Okay, I just don't can smoke
it because I've got used to the high quality.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, we've been spoiled here in Michigan. We've been spoiled
here for years though.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And I really want good turpy ship. I cared more
about the flavor and that the quality. Was it grown? Well,
is it clean? Not just the I don't care about See.
So I'm a different I'm that different client. Away. We
kind of like went on a ptanent there. But yeah, like, dude,
there was a bunch of cool events here, so I
you were Let's talk about the event you were at,
because I've been wanting to go there forever and I'm
kind of jealous. So you went to Hareem. Yeah, man,

(35:29):
I'm just gonna take a second and take a dab
and cry myself sleep here.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I should actually get it.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
By the way. Oh, so I had some GMO I
bought from some homes high Zog I lost it for
a long time. Granted definitely lost some turps, but you
can still smell that ship still still gmo heh.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah. So I found it nice, nice actually for being
in the car. So I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It just you lost that because it was sauce and like.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well and it was hot as for a month straight.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
It is now just one consistency that's a lot like sappy.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
But whatever, I don't care. It's still taste delicious.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I went out to harrim I checked it out after
after the waking big got some breakfast and I ended
up driving out there. It was like I was going
to take to go for something here from Metro Detroit.
How long did it take you the area?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
In?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
About four hours from He said.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Okay, so you're a little pastor trying. No, probably like
three and a half from Detroit area, because for me
it probably be like three and a half.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's probably about Actually it might be quicker than I actually,
Dave dreel backwards. Hell ye, no, because I'm trying to think.
I did get off like once to get gas and
then that use the restroom. Man. No oh no, I
was going no, I was g going to go to
this park and sit and chill and look at the water.
And as soon as I got there, just down pouring

(36:50):
the water. As soon as I got there, down pouring
for the water. Yeah, it was it's getting in her
peace with myself, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh wow, my.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Dude, thank you, No want.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
So.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
So it took a little bit longer. I think it's
about a three hour and fifteen minute drive. Three hour
and twenty minute drive truthfully from like the east side,
fully so not too bad. Right outside it was in Niles,
but not like that was the city. It was. Yeah,
you're out there right there by Indiana and ship. Dude.
I went to uh the bar after in. I'll tell
you that in a minute. But yeah, I was going there.

(37:27):
There's a bunch of different vendors all hash. Some have
fule Mount or some fule Mount. Yeah, ran into uh
our buddy Ross kicked with him for a little bit,
actually a while. Me and him are chilling for a while.
Good times, dude, and uh they had they had an

(37:50):
area where they had dabs, where the people were giving dabs.
You were be able to get dabs like triabs. They
had glass blowing in one area. So the one big
is the venue like compared to like it was like
a shed, a restaurant, like a shed, like a like
a big barn, like a barn. Yeah, so those are different,

(38:11):
like a metal barn. I know, I know. I was
thinking that. So I was like, Shad, the.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Stage doesn't like I have family from the sticks saw
my Alright, it's like a pole barn.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
It's probably like a pole barn.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
So probably it was pretty big, pretty cool, pretty cool.
And then they had a like, oh dude, they had that.
They had they had the cough this coffee place that
was there, and let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Cheers like cheers.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
My friend watched that depresso.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, I've been looking at it and thankfully, like your
computer has been in the way.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I got this espresso with vanilla ice cream so good.
Oh dude, it's so good. Yeah, that's what that dude.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
My man, they're so good.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think about budgets buying finella ice cream for.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
You didn't have one in Italy, bro, I think I
I might have forgot.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I might have, but.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I'm not forget about it.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I had so much espresso out there.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I think my mom might have got I did. Probably, dude,
I did espresso so much. I'm complaining. But no, they
had a lot of cool vendors there. I ran into
Michigan macy Jars shout out. He placed first place in
the Organic Cup recently and we were kicking it talking
about some of his strains. Pretty cool to see him.

(39:27):
He was connected to another booth so that I was
looking at their product and he's like, we chatted it up.
Ran to a couple other vendors that were out there.
Pretty good stuff. A lot of a lot of os.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Dude, I know Harien truly. I feel like I would say,
like the caregiver, you know, the branded.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
They might have had some basketball and stuff. I got there.
You gotta remember, I didn't leave my side down until
about twelve o'clock. I don't think I got there till
about four hours, and so it was an overall cool event,
you know, definitely whatever, definitely cool how they do it.
The these amount of people was pretty busy. I almost
funny story. I went down the Ronk Street because like

(40:08):
the address took me in the middle of nowhere. No literally,
it's just like a middle of nowhere and I was like,
what road is it? And it's like it's like it
and I was like, all right, So I saw a
car turned down the streets. I was like, all right,
I'm gonna fallow that car and ended up turning to
someone's house. I was like, oh shit, this is nice.
So I ended up going back and I got out

(40:30):
and then I found it. And it was funny because
I went down the street at first, so overall sweet events.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
The hula hoops and hash and hoops.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I didn't see any basketball, so I was trying to
get it. I got there late, and I got there
around four, and honestly, I think it was closing up
by eight, said ten, but there was a lot of vendors.
It was a drive and then like you had what's
it called? It was hot. It was hot and humid,
So like where the vendors were, it was pretty hot.
It was a little there were still a c but

(40:59):
a little down where I was in the class blowing area,
very hot, and then like outside was just muggy, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So I was it was hot as I was for me, dude.
So I was in a music festival.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Shout out to everyone else I ran into as well too.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
All of our listeners all right, running, well, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, mother treats that shoot cinder stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, but yeah, I know so.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
And a couple other people.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
The festival I was at was definitely just music related,
but it was a lot of fun. Man, I hain't
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, the videos looked up a full set.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I got a good good amount of good amount of
videos and media from like my set. And then I
sat in with my buddy j ro shout out for Frack.
We did another jam so that was fun, a little
live loop thing, and then I did a jam with
my buddies over this little renegade at the Cube, and
then also set in and did some improv over a
poetry set that this dude Diceman does from New York.

(41:51):
Such a talented dude, very artists at the core, very fun.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
So I had a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I really wish I would have been a hat reen hareem,
but I was having like a lot of peaceful stuff. Man.
I know we talked a little bit of this on
Awaken Bake, but bro, I really going to try to
get candidate to do a sweat lodge. Life changing, life changing.
There were so many empowering things about that. There's a

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crazy cool ceremony. Never experienced something like that. Something you
have to experience, like I can describe it, and I've
described it to the tea and it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
But there's so much.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
That I haven't fully unwrapped from it all yet, and
I think that I'll discover more if I can make
it through the full four rounds two of a ceremony.
It was a lot of fun but also like an experience.
The experience was fun, but also like I took a
lot from it, you know, which was interesting and powerful. Yeah,
so really cool.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Sounds good man. I've been interested in trying to pick
my interest with it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So after I was done, I was like, because I
was already naked throughout the process, but because like that's
kind a lot of people did it, and like it
was so traditional that even having shorts on, I felt weird.
So like I did it traditionally right once I was
in there, and like stayed like that till I was done.
But then like after I was like, after I made
it through the full second round, I.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Was like, whoa, it was a crazy experience, how I felt.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
So I'm like I'm going skann. I just like walked
down the water and it was like it was such
a freeing, empowering like a couple.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Of I don't think I know that, but you know,
there we go.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I'm a swing.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
If you ever get to do a sweat lode, do
it traditionally because it feels right. Just remember right, it
feels right, it feels it feels you know, to do it.
Do it traditionally, is what I'm saying, because you were
because this thing. What's really cool about this fest, it's
like on the it's actually on this grounds. That's kind
of it's I forget the exact wording, but it's something, uh,

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the four Quarters Interface Sanctuary. Right, So they're like kind
of like multiple religions, a lot of like Native American
like like because some of the guys, the elders are
like Native American. So there's some like differ and traditions
and each person's different beliefs, right. So it was very
fascinating to be there because like part of the land
there is still belongs to the church even when you're there.

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And that's kind of where I was at. It was
on this like off the path a little bit. You
were still right there in the middle of the fest,
but it was like they weren't letting people just like
rave and do drugs there. It was like you know
what I mean, or just like party there or put
set up hammocks or or you know, do anything that
wasn't related to like that same ceremony. Yeah, you know,

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you weren't allowed to sell pins. One guy was trying
to sell pins and he was like, no, no, you got
to get out of here to excuse me.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
And he did it politely. He was excuse me, sir,
excuse me, sir, please me, sir, excuse me, sir, excuse me,
and just walked him off.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
The ground till he started paying attention, you know. But
like I was there to like give it a chance,
you know. I mean I stayed sober the whole morning
and did the whole thing and very cool experience, man.
And I don't think I would do it like stoned
or drinking or anything, because it is a wild experience
on itself. I've never spent that much in my life.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That's what I don't want to do it just for
the basics. You have to know it's it's it's deeper.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It's like like I mean mushrooms for like the vibes,
like no, there's something's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I mean let's go. So it was very very powerful
and I'm hoping to experience again and hopefully this feeling
lasts because it's felt good for the past whatever, because
I did it first or second day, second was there, thirday,
whatever it was, Thursday or Friday.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
It's like five days super fun. Yeah, no, super super powerful,
super fun.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
So yeah, shout out love this music festival, five thousand people.
It's electronic music like you don't really get like jam bands.
It's electronic music the whole time. So it's like if
you're in a dubstep and heavy extronic music, you'll like it.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
But there's also things you can do there.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Like I said, there's like naked yoga, there's massage, therapist,
there's scavenger hunts, there's things like what I did the
the more that, there's the creek bro I spent hours
just like laying in the waters just relaxing.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Sounds nice.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, it's awesome, very peaceful. It's not just like party, party,
party the whole time.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Just nice good And you got what's it called coming
up next week?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
See so summer and smokeout, which we are actually I
believe we are going to be doing some judging unless
Dave ends up entering. If Dave ends up, if Dave
ends up entering, when.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I think we'll hilarious.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I haven't watched it.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oh no, but Summer and Smokeout is going to be great.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Ust. I'm pretty sure we're going.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
To do a giveaway. So stay tuned, stay tuned for
the wake of bake. You'd probably get more details this Saturday,
because then it'll be a week long promo.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Allright, when is it the day we have to Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So yeah maybe maybe if not already, check the socials,
check the socials because hopefully we already have to post it.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
So wow, that's quick.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
We'll give them a right, No, I think we could. Yeah, no, No,
it's not big deal.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, I mean even a week it's better than nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Anyways. So my point is, I think we're gonna do
a little giveaway. And Summer and Smoke Out is this
great festival in the up. That's why I want to
get to And it does like jam bands does electronic music.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's kind of makes it everything. Twist is there this year, yes, sir.
Last year was who who?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah? But this year is Twist and Twist and there's
Papadocios on tour.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I think it's their last tour.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Prop cause.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Around Grizzes and a lot of like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Electronic music lately.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
A lot of killer like Honeycomb is gonna be there.
I think Jason's gonna be there, and Jason be there.
I mean a lot of people are gonna be there.
I'm gonna be there, be there. Maybe no, but a
great time. And like I said, the uper Cup, if Dave.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Doesn't enter for realized, world'll be judging.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
So it should be fun. Always fun to see what
like it's up there.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And what we like I would like to judge. I
mean I would like to.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
We're getting one is the podcasting. We'll figure it out.
We'll go from there and that's all we can do.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking for Hopefully it's nice. I hope
it's not raining. I'd be said, hope.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Did the Northern Lights come out? Because last year they
did and me and Dave left on that day of course,
but we are gonna see them this year.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I am we man fast, Let's go Northern lets.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
No there, let's smoke some Northern lets, chill under the
north lights.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Oh my god, that'd be so sick, let's find some
northern lights. No, because that'd be dope northern lights. With
the northern lights, I like it.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
It was more for the saying less.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Probably I'm gonna try to find something. Well.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Anyways, my whole point is summer and smoking out. It
should be a fun little fast.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I went last year, and I only say little because
I feel like Big Dub was like a whole week
of my time where this is actually really fun and it's.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Oh no, it actually is Thursday.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I am silly. I thought it was Friday, Saturday Sunday.
I believe it is Thursday, Friday, Saturday sun So I'm
gonna look that up just to confirm. But I am
so excited for this one because it burns both of
my worlds together and it's more of my favorite things.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Is if four days, I believe.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
So I thought it.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Was Thursday the seventh.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, Thursday starts at two Friday Saturday Sunday.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yes, so it will be there Thursday or Friday Saturdays
Saday Sunday. Because you performed Sad Thursday after.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I just I can't get my prior obligation Saturday, so
I won't be able to get there till Super either
Super late Thursday or early Friday, depending on so but
you know, it's a great fest. No, I just want
to make sure that people know it's like a great
fest and they're absolutely crushing it with like the lineup
and it's every seen the NonStop growl. I'm just honored

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to be a part of it. On the stages are
gonna be killer. They have like a whole I mean seven.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Tens last year.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, man, the improv between Honeycomb and sax Squatch was
fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, that was you know, so they have they have
a little, they have a little.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
We got the judge with Honeycomb sentence.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
But yeah, yeah, but even if you just went there
as a consumer, they got many boosted. They got seven
times got booth. You're just saying they have boot Yeah,
you go get a beer where you actually watch the
stage too. It's off right to the unless it's different,
but it looked like I think I was looking at
the met it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Up, but it's similar, right.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah. It was set up cool enough where you could
even like drink and watching.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah that's I thought it was neat. So if you
did want to have a beer or something, it's there.
The stages were sick last year. It's good music. It
would be a good time.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
You know, production, great production.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that as well too.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Someone is walking to me a good one.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, dude, it's been a it's been a pretty busy summer.
You can't believe July is over. I mean what itays
it bless, it's the thirtieth. Tomorrow's the thirty first, So
it's like August is here one month and it's like
falls already. You're like, what, it's crazy because the Lions
play football tomorrow. Like the first preseason game is the
Hall of Fame game.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It's already.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I know. That's why I'm bringing that up. It's like, what,
that's crazy, It's insane. That's ready back.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
So this is crazy, but he means excited as hell.
Not really, Yeah, I could wait you like foodbllo.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
No, I do have an exciting announcement that's happening, and
this way can make so. We have a new partner
joining us, which I'm really excited to announce. And you
will hear that live this Saturday, nine am Eastern, So
make sure you tune in this Saturday, nine am Eastern.
It'll be pretty cool. Other than that, I got yeah, yeah,

(51:30):
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(51:51):
so I'm gonna say it twice there.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, but also and check out those promo codes too
because they support Sporting US.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
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the promo code on that one? Sorry, no promo code
on that one. Just don't check it out and throw
us a tag on that or give them a follow Honestly,

(53:02):
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just like the old just like a lot of the
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(53:22):
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