Reschedule vs Deschedule

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yo, yo, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everybody? Welcome to a new episode of Mechanicass. I'm Candid, Dave.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey, No, I'm groovy.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Got a lot.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
We've got a lot that's happening. That's been big news
within the cannabis industry. We briefly talked about it on
Saturday and the Wake and Bake. Trump administration is looking
to declassify or reschedule, declassified, reschedule cannabis. So we're going
to talk about that. But I do want to say, Uh,
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Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I mean, so, here's the thing.
The topic of the week of going on right now
is read descheduling and read the reschedule. Right Everyone's talking
about the Trump administration doing the whole possibly rescheduling cannabis,
and there's mixed results, mixed controversy about it. You know,

(03:06):
that simple, simple fact of the matter is that, you know,
I think to the simple, I don't want to say simple,
that's not the right way I think. To your basic consumer,
I think rescheduling sounds like a good thing, right because
service level, Like I I understand why it does sound
like they're like, oh well, if it's less of a drug,
then like yeah, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're taking off schedule one. It's not with heroin anymore,
right value.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
But there are so many layers to why descheduling it
makes more sense logically, We're rescheduling seems to make more
sense fiscally for like money, you know, not necessary for
the patients, you know. I don't know what's your two
cents on it all. I mean, just kind of getting
into because I have so many different things I want
to say, I don't even know where to begin.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, there's a lot with it. First of all, it
came out of nowhere with like the news blown up.
It came like happened Thursday. I think it dropped Thursday.
Someone went in from my understanding, like doing a bunch
of scrolling through the web, right, it came through a
highly recommended official or somebody with that knew somebody within
the Trump administration that they're talking about highly considering rescheduling it.

(04:11):
This comes from the DEA doing their test on it,
what three years ago, when they said it should be rescheduled,
and then Biden talked about rescheduling it.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, I feel like it's always a hot topic
around election season because like who doesn't want to get
those votes, you know what I mean? But like it
felt more like because it's been like progressing in the
way it has I feel like this one, especially with
this administration. I don't mean to get political, but I
mean a little bit. You got to it's it's it's
a money making thing. So I think rescheduling kind of
scares me because if in this administration we could the

(04:41):
wrong players, like aka Big Pharma getting involved too quick,
because like the big thing about rescheduling to me is
that you're still calling it like a drug. And I
understand that it is like a drug in some ways,
like because if you abuse it, right, but if you
go drink a bunch of robotussin, you trip and that's
over the counter, you know what I mean, Like, there's

(05:04):
a certain level of like drug use, right, And I
think that's why descheduling is the best way to basically it,
because it needs to be rewritten. It doesn't need to
be compared to something that it's simply not, because I've
spent this podcast even comparing it to drugs, comparing it
to alcohol, when the fact of the matter is it's not,

(05:25):
you know what I mean. I try to relate to
people because that's how they understand it, and that's how, honestly,
how when you're writing legislation, of course you want to
make it make sense to something else. But cannabis is
something kind of in its own ballpark, you know what
I mean. It's literally like one of the first, not first,
it's one of the biggest most popular plant medicines right now. Right,

(05:46):
there's ayahuasca, there's mushrooms, There's there's more, right, there's so
many more. There's roots, there's so I think right now,
I think what needs to basically come into place is
some type of rewriting of herbal medicine. And yes, I
do think you'd be able to use your insurance, and
that's why I used to compare it to pills. But
I also realized, like it's medicine, it's not a pharmaceutical,

(06:08):
and that's why it's like it should be like a
herbal medicine and have its own lane, you know what
I mean. Like this reschedule thing almost feels like it
could go not the right way. But also I've heard
this is the only way we're going to.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Get the how to get the research done so we
can eventually get it to these schedule. That's not gonna
say it's like this. I've heard me, me and grubin
similar conversation. We've heard for a couple of people that
this is one of the steps that the government supposedly
has to take to get it to where we can
actually finally have it descheduled. And this was a cause
like two three years ago. I think we had the
conversation now and this is like a ten year thing.

(06:49):
It was literally like that. So if you think about it,
they hypothetically reschedule it and you go in twenty twenty six,
they're probably gonn do two to three years of at
least research on the plant at the federal level, and
then they'll probably gonna have to come to terms because
at that point, I do agree with you, A groovy it.
It should not be compared to pharmaceuticals. It's a plant
should be in its own lane. It won't be able

(07:11):
to stand a preschedule three for forever, is my point.
I think, unfortunately, if this is the way it has
to go, it's better than what it's been. I mean,
I'm better, it's better than to being compared to heroin.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So that's I agree to a. I agree ish because
I think it could be better, but it also to me,
could go worse. Like sure, maybe it'll be you know,
sure we can start, you know, the two eighty right,
Hell yeah, but the company should have been able to
write off shit as long as they've.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Been paying taxs. Have more investments coming into cannabis as well, too,
bigger in.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Marketing, and just like media in general, Like we went
to that media day Shadout Beer Bros. Farm out in
Vegas for the MJ Biscos stuff, and they discussed that
stuff like when two eighty two eighty two eighty right,
And so I hit that there are certain things that
will be good, but also there are like the what
could happen in that gray area? Right, it could go

(08:07):
And that's why I said, it's all speculation. And I agree, Ish,
I agree, you're one hundred percent right if the right
people make the right laws and the right people right.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
If not, though, I I just I what if it
starts getting regulated, a big farmer starts getting in, big
alcohol gets in. We're already seeing tobacco get in, I
mean yeah, and then behind the behind the doors, there's
probably already big alcohol and everything's already in it, right yea,
behind smoking mirrors and trusts, behind the trust that owns
another trust or someone uncle who sayster.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Oly, you know tobacco's already in it.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, I mean that's how they get away with trust.
You just get trust, and you can't really trade.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Someone tobacco for sure. Wild bills here in machine.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Not pretty sure. Shit it look at Swisher, Yeah, Swisher's
fucking like what We already kind of knew that before
because they already have another brand, But like we never
said anything because we were like, oh, I don't know
we should be saying shit, But it's like they already
had a brand in and they were like So it's
like to me, but like, and I don't mean them
getting in as players. I'm getting them as players and
trying to like cut rules because they have all these

(09:06):
billions of dollars behind them, so they get I'll screw it.
They can lobby the wrong ways. Lobbying is such an
ft up thing, you know what I mean. But it's
like because if it's in the good intention, I get it.
But when it's bad intentions, it's like you're pretty much
just mallet. You're putting a check on someone's paper plate
so they could just cash out of checks. So they'll
say something and it's like, damn, it's just because people

(09:28):
sell out for money, because I mean people are in
desperate situations.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
You know, I mean, lobbying has been going around for years.
It's not great.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I didn't say it stop.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, I'm not saying I'm saying that's that's the thing
that cannabis doesn't have. We don't have enough money to
be lobbying against alcohol. Good players, big pharma and big
tobacco that have been around for thousands of years. We
don't literally have the money. That's what screwed Michigan in
my opinion, for the twenty four percent of tacks. We
didn't have enough money to go up a lobby against

(09:56):
all the other politicians. But go here, you go it
it's it's it's a game to play both sides. And
the cannabis industry is young, so these other industries are
probably pushing the administration's pockets like yo, let's reschedule, get
in build. They'll build the right stuff off and they'll build.
Maybe they might be a little gray ay, or they
do other stuff where you have people with the trustees
get more money and then they start investing in alcohol.

(10:16):
Somehow gets in and then big pharma takes over because
they're losing billions of dollars to cannabis. Why because people
are finding an alternative to not waking up drunk every day.
But to me, what.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Fucks me up is they're still eating. They're just mad
they're losing their profits. They still have profits. In a
in a sane world, they'd be like, well, hey, we're
still doing pretty damn good. But this world, we're so
fucked up, at least in America, where it's like we
have to consistently be making more than last year, more
than last year, more than last year. It's because of
the inflation, all these jacked of economy and that's so

(10:47):
I get, I get it, but we're like forcing this
mentality that's just like sucks. I'm not saying it doesn't
make sense, saying it sucks like they're not saying it
doesn't make sense and it sucks. I'm just saying, I
get that's how the world works.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, it's unfortunately. Yeah, that's when the industry is losing
one hundred billion, two hundred probably, I don't know if
the number is completely Yeah, but they're losing billions of
dollars cannas because where's how much is Michigan?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I mean, look at the hemp pal look at the
hemp pill that pretty much just went to shit again
because because they were losing money to CBD, we're losing
money to these alternatives. And it's just like it's crazy
that good business is screwing over other businesses. Like it's
like the Walmart shit where they would literally buy someone's
products sell for cheaper than they could even afford it
until they went out of business and then bought the company.

(11:34):
It's so so crazy. That's like, that's what business is become.
It can't just be like you have a good product.
Now you actually got to like play the game too.
But yeah, yeah, I just and this is my point.
This is full circle why descheduling makes more sense, uh,
you know, because otherwise you're gonna see the wrong people

(11:55):
with the money and get involved. It's descheduled, people start
getting out of prison. You know, maybe equity things come
in place, Maybe we get the a little more balanced,
because some of these people who have a bunch of money,
why would they come into something that's completely scheduled. There's
more money in the legal stuff. Why do you think
these alcohol companies push like a blueberry vodkas and shit,
Oh yeah, it's not to get the youth uh huh right,

(12:17):
because we weren't drinking like like fucking what is a
whipped cream? Burnettes and shit when we were sixteen. That's
why it pisses me off when you see these campaigns like, oh,
they're going after kids, Like, no, they're not. They're just putting.
They're just eating candy. Adults eat candy too, They're not
like pulling it. But dab a dubba fun and like
dip like dip funds, Like what do you talk about?
Like they literally target everyone does this. It's like, you know,

(12:39):
anyways ranover. It's just funny that it's like as soon
as it's cannabis, oh now it's a bad thing. When
do you come about it's just marketing, like and the
cannabis has never even done it, you know. So that's
why I said, I don't. I don't fully like the
idea of people who are companies who are willing to
do these shisty tactics to then get in cannabis and
then ruin our medicine, you know what I mean, Like
sticking alcols stick in your lane of your anti depression

(13:02):
medicines may cause depression. That doesn't make fucking sense, Like
you ever see these commercials. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
You might have diarrheics.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, hey, you have stomach issues, may cause stomach issues,
diarrhea and maybe even death.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
And vomiting, scramating like they're saying now for cannabis.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Actually, you know what, let's just transition. My whole point
is that I don't want those people to company in
this industry.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
But I do want to say though, like this is
gonna be like, if it does happen, the Trumpets administration
for years is gonna get praised, not praised, you know,
bring they're gonna get They're gonna be the ministration that
actually did it because no offense you had, You had
the Democrats, like they kept saying they were gonna do it.
I thought, Biden, I thought, I I thought they were
gonna do something admistration because they talked about safe making

(13:44):
that forever and then it just it. They just didn't
pull the trigger. And now you literally have.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
They pull that clip of me saying politicians lie. Oh wait,
there's too many anyway, But yeah, like literally, it'll be
makes sense a lot of episodes.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
It will be interesting because he though that were.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Right, then Trump would be the guy who changed cannabis
forever scheduled one.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, I don't know, because I can't even well.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I mean, the most famous quote is that, like that
I've been reading, and honestly, I think it's true. I'm
not a super political but like the if the Democrats
would have had a better person running like against Trump,
they probably would have won.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, you know, if they didn't, if they didn't lie
and go Biden was actually healthy, and then be like three,
what's before the election? Like, oh shit, we gotta throw
someone in.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
And d can't see, can't tell the differ screen number
seven in the color blue.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Stream sixty five?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
What America?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, I'm sorry, No, true though I hate politics, but truthfully.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
No, it's a big part of this game.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Though I do enjoy actually learning and looking into it because,
like you do, see a lot of.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's a bipartisan issue. That's why eight that people are
trying to make it like, oh, the left likes cannabis,
Oh the right doesn't. What do you mean? Yeah, I mean,
I guess, but now that it's legal, I guess. But
you know what, you know what your stereotypical Republican loves cash.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Honey, how many red Republican states are legal compared to
how many people.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't I don't even know. I don't know what
colors were. I don't even know the number, Dave, howm
I gonna know?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Is just.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Like what you want from me, man, thirty if you
would have pulled out of your ass out of be
like damn hear hey SERI, oh sorry, everyone that has apple,
everyone that has apple, right now, your son of a bit.
But no, no, no, and and you're right, you're right,

(15:45):
you're absolute right there, your your stereotypical right verse left.
They did didn't like cannabis, but that was before it
became a money operation. And look at the hemp and
I understand that. I guess I have to kind of
I'm wrong because they just changed the hemp belt and stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
But I don't know how many people took advantage of
the hemp build though.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Dude, that's the same thing with cannabi. That's the same
with any of these bad players.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Man, that's what happens. We don't like, it sucks, We
take advantage of a bunch of stuff, and then all
then the fucking it goes the opposite way of kind
of what we want.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
If someone in our live stream said we can't have
nice things.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, no, absolutely if we take advantage of it. And
that's it's unfortunate because it should go to deschedule. Could
have kept the HEMP build, you know, like so many
would have, could us, But we just always take it
another level. So I do want to say if it
does go through, the good thing is, in my opinion,

(16:38):
the business is going. We just said it. Business can
finally do right business. They can write test stuff off,
you can do investments, you can go into marketing. These
will be able to help the smaller businesses. These will help,
especially in Michigan businesses that are gonna get hit with
this twenty four percent tax starting January first, Like that
saves them some money because now they can get some
money back. So like, these little things are good and
I like to see that for them, But I I

(17:00):
want you subleheaded sort exactly. And I have to say
both sides because I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Six seven, I'm about to cut his my.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I mean it kind of goes perfect.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Can we bleep that out? But it was like every
time we said six, I was like, peepep, but I
say they have bomb but no, Well, and there's definitely
positives to the change, right, I I just and I
it's almost like it's just like what they were saying,
we can't have nice things, Like everything works, everything's great
until someone takes advantage of it. It's gonna be the
same thing with this. Everything's gonna be fine until one

(17:33):
person writes a law in shady ways. And like, I just,
I don't know what that's gonna become. Like I don't
know if I want boo from other states, you know
what I mean, Yeah, I don't, And like this is
just gonna make it easier. Then slap on a fake
bag like we already have issues it just state per state.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Who knows what if it doesn't what if he doesn't
reschedule it, you know what if like too many people
come up to him and tell him no, Like if
too many Republicans came up to him and said, don't
do it. I'm assuming Trump when and do because that's
his base, like straight up like he I don't think
he would go against his base because without his base her,
he has nothing. He literally has not much.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
To me, this is the biggest issue. Why rescheduling is
like such controversial is because it's just unpredictable. You can't
predict what's going to happen because nothing's like this has happened,
Like we're living through the prohibition of cannabis.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
No. Absolutely. And here's the thing. Something I've been trying
to teach myself through therapy is like I can't worry
about the worst case scenario. I don't even know what all.
I don't even know all the details about the bill,
so I can't even like if I'm gonna get myself
worried about it, like I'm going to just not sleep.
I feel bad for anyone that that's.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I mean, we're already seeing businesses go under.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're seeing people like that's the tax because of Michigan
is twenty four percent tax, which I feel really bad. Yeah,
one I got talked to about.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
No, so I wasn't that is because the tax. I'm saying,
we're already seeing businesses struggle, Like I don't know if
interstate commerce is going to make it easier, it's gonna
make it even more complicated.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't know how it's gonna like.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And if it is, if there will have it.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
We don't know. This is gonna open the floodgates. It's
like the head bill, like we don't really know what's
gonna happen till it happens, all I know. So okay,
And to bring up another point that is a beautiful,
well made point. I'll probably even pull up the Instagram
posts and quote it. But Beard Bros. Beer Bros. Made
a very good point too about rescheduling versus de scheduling,
and I want to talk about it right now. The

(19:29):
descheduling of cannabis is a much more efficient way to
get the people out of prison, you know what I mean,
get people unserved from these charge because once it's the scheduled,
it's gonna be like, well, why does that make sense now?
Because the law is rewritten and such, right where if
you reschedule it's still going to keep it illegal in
certain ways. It's just gonna regulate it for people to
the higher level.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
But even if they dischedule it federally, couldn't the states
still have it illegal, have its own charges so you
can still not Well, that's.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
What that's what he said. That's what that's what they're
saying is people all those states, all those people are
still screwed, like nothing's going to change them. Where if
you deschedule it.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's what I'm saying, what if you even deschedule in
the States still want it because.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Deschedule it on a federal level would not call it
a drug, So I think it would. I think I
think lawyers would have a better chance of fighting that
in court, being like what it's fair part now moving forward,
I think, yeah, I don't think I think they can
still be yeah, it's illegal, but I don't know how
you could. You almost have to be like how they
added the H for marijuana like versus marijuana, Like you'd
have to do something different. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's so much like what
ifs right now. All all I know is if it
takes it off, it goes to Schedule three, which is
it puts it with pharmaceuticals, and then your businesses will
be able to have investments and have marketing mode.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Consider this. This is from beer Borough Farms. Rescheduling keeps
cannabis illegal for the common citizen, still includes pedest penalties
for its illegal manufacturing, distribution, and possession without prescription. So
see what I mean. It's still kind of keeps it
illegal for certain manufacturing levels where discheduling removes it completely
from the controlled substance X where no longer considered legal
substance and then controlled and that's controlled by the DA

(21:04):
and pharmaceutical procedures. And that's kind of like I was
trying to get it earlier. Is like, when you compare
it to all this, that's that's why you end up
in the same procedures as you know, as it was before.
When at the end of the day, it's not I want,
we want to make it make sense, and even I
want it to make sense, but it just simply doesn't
because it's its own thing. It's just not the same.

(21:25):
So I and then but I mean for us to
rewrite law to do that, I mean, I feel like
it would have to be like a pro cannabis administration
to do so. So it's not like that's gonna happen
until you have a candidate that's literally like YO four twenty.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
And even at that point, you still need your legislators, legislation,
Democrats are sent and Republicans still do agree with it.
Presidents still can't make the change himself. I mean I
guess he could.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean to some level though, But if your
administration leads with that.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's like your if that's your charger, you're going behind.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, well I'm saying if that's your leader at had
Just like every other politician, they tend to kiss some ass,
they tend to lean a little bit different, like you be.
I think it'd be very surprised to see how many
politicians are okay with cannabis once it's okay to be
okay with cannabis. I think a lot of it's just
a fucking pr nightmare for people. Well, we couldn't lose
our double graphics was a little We're gonna over with
our fucking Smelzer's feel Better felt fucking Walmart do whatever

(22:18):
the fuck? You know what I mean. See, it doesn't
really make sense because everyone's just thinking about dollars in PR.
Everyone gives a fuck what everyone everyone thinks about them. Like, man,
I'm just trying to love myself. I don't understand how
people are trying to like like give a ship with
groovy things like I'm just kidding. I just want to
stir up people's minds to make them think. I don't
know if I have any points, like you know.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's why I going both sides with it.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Because I know someone's I mean to be on the
pro side for a second man that like because like
I don't as I want de scheduling right because I
think cannabis heals more than it hurts, where I think
bad propaganda has made us lead to that it hurts
more than it heals thanks to refer madness and all
the bullshit you know out there scrammating. Now, yeah, so

(23:06):
let's talk about scrambating. Let's switch up the topic a
little bit because I was getting heated. It's just it's
just like at a point, like you know, it's really.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It was just the new price, just the new reefer
madness that I don't see.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And what is it though, Like what is scramining?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I think it has go CCHS the vomiting from from
over consumption of whatever they call it. You can't ainoid
linked to chronic smoking. So we had Alice Mnan who
has cannabinoid Hypermesi's syndrome, which is CHS for short. And
I think that is what I've been seeing now posted

(23:37):
within groups and on social media. Romiting scream plus vomiting. Yeah,
there we go, and that this is on the rise.
I believe it only is in zero point five percent
point three percent of users, which is fine. I mean
it does it's there, I believe it. But like, this
is the new reefer madness that they're posting. That's like
instead of well you're gonna smoke this weed and go

(23:59):
kill your family or or go in the path hub
and kill yourself. You know what I'm saying, Like, remember
like that reef, that scary reef for man is back
in the day.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I just want to also know too. It's like and
I understand that, like maybe it is a low percentage,
but even reading this article on CNN because I did
it is you know, it's the thing out there, and
I understand people can get sick, but it's like you
don't know their health issues to begin with. So this
is why it's like I want to see a case
that he's done with multiple different people because when you're.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Like, oh, oh it will once once everything starts going
read this will this is this is what big Pharma
and probably alcohol are pushing right now.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Well, it's just like what they would do every Halloween.
We get the same articles or Canonis in your things.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
It's just probably look at the date on that article.
It's like it just came out had December fifth.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, I know, but see us CCHS isn't common. Now,
it just made to be me and you and these
heavy you know, these heavy smokers listening.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I wonder if there's anything to do with the timing
of the rescheduling was I was trying to get at,
like this.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Con why they're basically trying to show you that it's
basically like a mild version. But also, man, how you how.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Can that's what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Now, I know, but I know, but this is the
same fucking world that we live in. That head as
what is it Trump? What is that new syndrome that
the whole Trump thing is trump something? Synder? What the fuck? Yeah,
if that's allowed to be something, I'm not gonna take
some acronyms seriously just because I read it. Use your
fucking brain, you know what I'm saying. So sure HS

(25:16):
is a thing. We met the one fucking person who's
popular about it, right, It's not common, Okay. That's why
I even get frustrated with people because they try to
act like, oh, this is gonna happen if you overuse cannabis,
if you have the certain things, if you don't take
if you have hell things like, it's not just one thing,
you know. So that's why it's like, come on, man,
that's why. That's why it's like when you read propaganda,

(25:37):
I feel like propaganda's meant to accent hate if you
or what your beliefs are already, Right, if I already
like love cannabis, I'm gonna read an article about cannabis
that I love. Sure, it's gonna act accented propaganda, you know, propaganda.
The other way is this gonna make it hate CANbus?
You already hate canbais? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
No, I know. I just think it's that's funny that
that is the new stuff that they're posting.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean, cause the thing is like the sayings could happen.
So it's like once you can write something that they're
not lying, it's like they're not lying. It's just that
they're being very open about you know, how common.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I just was like, that's a new thing that's getting pushed.
So it's it's good we got like groovy cell down.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Man. No, I just know because sometimes well it's not heated.
It's just that I'm really not even heated. I I
feel good. I it frazzles me to think that people
will read an article, but oh did you hear? Yeah,
if you're actually involved in the world, I already knew,
like you know what I mean. Like that's the thing,
Like it's almost like bandwagon cannabis people, and like that's

(26:36):
totally fine. Like we get our data from this. I'm
not saying that. It's just that when you read it,
it's clearly propaganda how it's written. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I just I feel to us, but to other people
people don't know anything.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well, that's what I'm saying, And that's that's.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's that's that's like if I'm so imposed an article
about somebody that I have no idea and I'm like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I mean, this is why fake news is such a
big thing. And that was my whole point. It's just
because you read something doesn't mean it's true. And I
have to remember that too. I'm not saying I'm any
better than any of this. I I'm sure I misquoted things.
I mean like this is this is the world we
live in where you have to sift through what's real,
what's ai, what's not written, what's not dude, things are
so freaking crazy right now.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
You should reach it back out to Alice and get
her abound them.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's the thing Alice. Alice will give
you real numbers in real life, like understanding of it,
you know. And that's why I think.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's why I definitely I believe in that there is
a small probably group that it is.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I'm not saying, well, that's what I'm saying. I'm not
saying scramining is not real. But when they write it
in like if you overuse cannabis, this could happen, like,
I mean, that is what it's from cronic, I know,
but that's like saying if you overdrink you could die.
Like that's just it's it's speculation.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
There's no facts correct well that that is out there.
That's like smoking cigarettes that may cox cancer. I mean
in the same ship.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I know.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I know. Interesting, you know, it's it's an interesting world, man.
I just don't you know, there's always get.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
You're mongering, you know You're not. Everyone's always trying to
play to you. Are you scared?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, And I think that's always going to be on
this product, just like it is.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Not any ore. That's why I said, you're not more dead.
I'm just addressing how silly it's become because I.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Just don't see them being like, oh we because people
are gonna look at and like we's just not everything's
perfect with it. I'm coming from the side of anybody
that's on the opposite side.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well, that's it's not so. It's not so black and white.
That's why frustrates me. I don't just sit here and
think everyone's gonna be healed from fucking cannabis. It's saved
my life. I don't know your paranoise. I don't know
your life decisions. If you don't like smoking, if someone
passed away from cannabis and your family. My mom hates
cannabis because the smell, but she understands it helped my life.
So that's the thing about cannabis is that it's not

(28:43):
about your things, your feelings. It saves other people's lives.
That's why I get frustrated cannabis because everyoneants to put
out their fucking two cents. It doesn't matter if you
want to smoke or not. It's about someone else that
can heal from it, you know what I mean. Everyone
wants to put their two cents in, like it's more valuable.
And that's like simply not the truth. You know, you
just got to look at the numbers. And that's why

(29:04):
propaganda so messed up, because it exkews your mind.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, and I'll get that.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
But I mean, how many people we've talked to with
their grandma, if they could add access to this it
would have saved their life. Or or if someone was
a little bit not against propaganda, oh, they would not
hate it so much. Like my my family might have
used it more, you know before when they were O.
It's like, I think it's just such a sad thing.
I guess, you know, to still see the same thing,
like you said, fear mongering. Yeah, I get it. It's

(29:33):
it's literally half of sales. I feel like it's insurance
to a tee, you know what I mean. So it's
you're right, it's not going anywhere. I think it's just
it's stressful when I like and.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I think that's no correct And I think that's where
the education and teaching people and having people understand, like
really what the plant's about, talking about the terrapines cannabinoids,
that's when you can break some of that more of
that stigma with the barrier because people will on stand
like when you tune into our stuff and you learn
from us when we tell.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Them, because cannabis isn't for everyone or every.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Stole so much so there's like so much bad media
out there for years now you're starting to see obviously
with black content creators, a lot of podcasts, a lot
of the industry experts, the growers, the cultivators, the processors,
they're all coming and talking about it. And you got
your having the in with the internet, you're having documentation
of it and people are talking about it and spreading
how good it truly is. Just imagine what it would

(30:26):
be like in five.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's just that it can when everything doesn't mean that.
In fact, that's why I get so frustrated even when
even why I don't think it sticks with anyone is
because if you're like a stone who's like, we's the
best ever, you should do it. It'll save your life.
They're like, yeah, I don't tell me what to do.
The thing is you have to be like listen, it
helped me and just leave with example, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Like at the end of the day, like I think,
on anybody, really they gotta want to be interested in
trying it themselves at that point.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I yes, yes, one percent. I just think sometimes when
you're trying to make a point, if you scream at someone,
are you going to listen? Did you listen when your
parents screamed at you, or did you listen when they
actually taught you you have to can't scream to make
sense to someone. You have to show them, Like we
are two people who are homeowners, careers, entrepreneurs, and we
still smoke. Like that's how you prove them wrong. You

(31:10):
show them what the fuck is up? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Am I gonna scream at you? You should smoke weed.
It's like when I used to be like dad, you'll
just don't get it. My dad was never gonna fucking
get it when I screamed at and be like, well,
just the best when I hear he understood me is
when he saw me smoke and do my thing and
break all of his negative propaganda. Then all of a sudden,
my dad's like, let me get some seeds, let me
try growing outside. That's how you change people's fucking perspectives.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Mm.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
So to me, it's like yeah, but like negative and
hate just causes more hate. Like literally, I spent half
my life not it full of that crap, you know,
So I think now it's just now is not the
time to scream. It's to make the point and show
the people. It could have helped your aunt, it could
have helped my grandma, It could have helped people if
we didn't have all this continue negative propaganda and like

(31:56):
you said, and schedule comparing it to big pharma, like
it needs to be de scheduled so people can relearn
what cannabis can be.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, discheduled at so.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
The schedule, reschedule Obviously we're fucking on this. We're just
schedule like all day every day. We want to reschedule it,
but day brings up good points with two eighty and
all these other things that could work rescheduling. And these
aren't Dave's ideals or mine. We're just trying to make
points here because it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, let us know how you feel in the comments,
and if you're listening on Spotify or you're on the
YouTube or any of our ig posts, let us know,
because it is it's an interesting topic. Because I look
at comments, I see brands a lot of some brands
are happy, some aren't like I see it media. I mean,
it's all out there right now and people are talking
about it's a very big issue. Who knows by the
time this is released, it could be ready rescheduled, so who.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
We release this and then it's actually like never mind.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was like, well, we don't know, we don't know
what's going to happen, so we'll see we know a cat.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
That's why I think we prefer descheduling is because that
is clear that will get people like that will get
it off the list that there's guarantees there. Rescheduling is
like still seven you know what I mean, people just listen.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Part of the process that has to go. And I'm
right with research.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I mean, it doesn't make logical sense where we can't
take state doctors because they're still credited doctors. But it's
like also just like a governmental control thing. I'm like, no,
it has to be our way, our studies.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yep, just like I had to with all the whole
DEA thing d A. We wanted it rescheduled, but they
couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
They had a way.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
They had to go through this whole process to get it.
They give a recommendation that they could you know, so
it's like us.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
So it's just like what protocol does not always make sense?
Like well, it's like, well that's protocol. Well we could
change protocol. Like we made it all this ship up.
We made up time, we made we made up all
this crap. We can make it all up. We felt
like changing it. We can stop daylight saving time. We
can see the sun again. In the middle that.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'm saying, Okay, we make this up all the time.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
It's all on us.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Please cancel daylight savings. We do not need that here
in Michigan, honestly, of.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
God, candidate of service announcement.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
God, cancel it. We don't need it, like a spring
forward and fall back. I don't need this hour of sleep,
and I don't want to lose the hour of sleep.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
All Right, you guys know Dave, this is so him
speaking make it warm again? God damn man. Anyhow, No,
that's funny. No, and again, I don't speak from a
place of anger. I speak of a point of it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Make We don't know we got there.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
It's a can of thought. No, it's true, though, man,
there's just a lot of that we'll see. And I
think that's honestly, we're just gonna be repeating ourselves at
this point. We've got to going through all of it.
I think the only other positive that we didn't bring
into it that and then you started with this, So
we'll just full circle this that it is progress in

(35:08):
some way. Now, I just don't know if it's the
progress that we need. You know, you can tell me
if you agree or disagree, because my progress, I think,
is when you're getting people out of jail, getting rid
of the stigma to change things, not make things easier
for manufacts, like for them, it's certain things to be
legal and certain things not. Basically just to make legislation. Now,
the two eighty eight thing is a beautiful point, but

(35:30):
that should have been passed I don't know, as soon
as they pay taxes.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
So that's that's like I don't even talking about since twenty.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I hate that. We're like, oh, it's well, there's the positive.
Well yeah, it should have always been like that. Like so,
like I said, it's like they dangle something in front
of us and then sneakily high all this garbage. It's like, well,
it's exhausting, No, it is exhausting.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Any any turps you've been enjoyed through the end of
the year.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, man, I mean enjoying the shit this. I mean
it's downstairs, but it's the lemon fuel by Exotic manner.
I love that papia punch by Exotic by Exquisite, exquisite
exoticscuse man just said exotic exquisite. Yeah, but Exquisite Extractions.
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
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us in the d MS will put you in touch
with that there fast stores where.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
They're honestly, I love their hash right now. So and then,
like Exotic Matter, stuff has been really fire. I've been
be able to lemon fuel. Oh you try that?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, I really enjoyed that lemon fuel that ship was gas.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
After yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the next top
five minutes.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Hell yeah, hell yes, yes, all right, this is damn
What was that smoke anyway?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That was the bucking runs that tastes.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
You have any of that chip on you? That's what
I really want to try.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Only gave that to you, man, I really do. No.
I finally no, be honest though. The only thing that
secks about the hemp bill is possible. Seeds still talking
about that real quick, like, oh yeah, seeds would be
tough for the gale probably just like how it was
back in the day where you'd have to get them,
like they just go to the conferences. Conferences, they'd sell
CITs and stuff and you'd buy them.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, I forgot they used to do that, like biased,
you'd just like come on the back. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, So it'll be interesting. Now I get a pots
and new genetics.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I'm looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Got the new batch getting ready. Ashbash Cup aready announced
their days.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I was like, fuck yeah, I mean, honestly, it's kind
of crazy we're talking about like sorry, I just thought
about this rescheduling going in the new year and then
January first the twenty four percent tax hits for Michigan
and then also the hemp bill is well it's next year,
end of next year. Yeah, but that's like we're gonna
see the pivot there too. So it's just gonna be
a very interesting year for cannabis and the hemp cannabis.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
In the general election, so it might be even a
bit of playing heavy too.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
So that's yeah, no, get out, like listen, I wish
I could. I had the email blast pulled up, but
m I CIA blasted us with an email like they
do things like coffee and conversations or something afraid of
with this call. But it's basically way you can meet
up and talk to your group resentives. I couldn't find
mine on there, so I want to talk to you
about how we can figure out how to do that.
But I definitely want to do it and share our experience.
If you didn't know about it, reach out to mi

(38:17):
CIA because they're doing they they're they're doing they're they're
at least trying to fight the legislation, especially for the
people who don't like that side of things. You gotta
understand that those people are needed and we're grateful to
have them because it's I don't know, if I couldn't
do it, I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's exactly what but.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Positive lobbying groups that is like I don't like and
that's why I said I understand lobbying. Said that. It's
just that the lobbyists that are like, hey, big O
fifty grand underneath the blate and to pole se you
know what I mean, to get a pipeline that's the
ship that's shady like that. I'm not talking about good
lobbying like when you guys went to the cat talk
that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah you're talking about like, yeah, like digging holes in
areas that should be did.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm talking about getting the dark things done without people
noticing with a check. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
No, I shoo, actually makes sense. No, I know. So
I'm glad they're doing that stuff. So I'm glad you
brought that up because it's good to see that because
we need to continue fighting for that they and they're
leading the charge. So we'll I have to. We'll give
you updates and that also will be going live this Saturday,
nine am Eastern. We have a new episode or nine episodes.
That's really the way we can make live. Yeah, that
joint got me lit. Right now, I'm kind of spaced.

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Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's actually a good point. You get rid of those pests.
They save you past. It's not just cannabis. That's the
one thing I think people forget you know.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yep, I used to my money tree, my mom used
on inter indoor plans. It works. I use it.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I pray.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I don't pray with it, but it works. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It was like the love of God, get rid of
those pests. We're gonna lose the bang. It's honestly not
that bad. It's perfectly for praying.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Sorry, all right, it's not just goo.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
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Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, so Join Us is Live is Saturday nine am.
Other than that, have a good rest of the week,
get your holiday shopping done. We'll have all an episode
out for you next year.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Check check me out groovy music. Uh. I know I've
been saying this and lacking, but I swear I have
so much music I've been writing it's gonna be coming out.
And I have a February. I got a gig on
the West Side, Kalamazoo music everywhere. My can of cast everywhere?
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Speaker 2 (41:12):
Canaday yea literally just everywhere. Can get pretty pretty simple,
pretty simple. And we're gonna have some announcements coming up
at the end of January.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Actually, and I think if you're tuning in, we're gonna
attempt to do a giveaway this weekend too. I think
we're gonna do give away a couple of things. So
this weekend the Waken Big we'll see. Well, that was
Dave's playing, so I guess hopefully they that's supposed to
be next Saturday. No, Well, I guess we're doing it
this Saturday, so I see you guys last.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
We'll see. We'll see that's what you got. Tune in
nine am.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Swag bags possibly with some gifts if you're in the
air and can pick up. We'll do something from us.
And then there may be even something little fun for
the holidays. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Maybe we'll see.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Get the holiday shop and done and tune in this Saturday.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, you may not even have to.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So it's gonna be kind of warm in two days,
and that's your Detroit for two days. It's not in
the cold forties.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, actually today it should be forty hey when this
comes out.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, so that'll be dope on that. That's always We're
here to advocate, educate, and inspire its next time you

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Pace, Stay warm facts