Rescheduled happen, Now What?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yo, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Everybody?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to a new episode of My Candicasse.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm cam Dave and I'm groovy.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I wish you all merry Christmas out there.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's Christmas Eve, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanza, happy Hanukkah, happy
snow Day. I don't know, whatever you celebrate whatever, Happy
happy holidays to everybody. And honestly, the best time about
this year is we finally enjoyed the winter solstice for
what it was meant for. Slowing down, relaxing, spending time

(00:49):
with family. You know, this whole go go go go shop, shop, shop,
shop shop. That was not the intention. Like, I'll be
honest with you, man, I went to the mall today. Wow,
I forgot what that was like, especially during the holiday.
Holy shit, you're just like Great Lakes one near.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
But you okay, it's pretty busy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Pretty busy. Yeah, man, it was busy. Busy as all hell.
That's what I'm trying to say. It's like it's always crazy.
It's like winter solstice. Winter it is supposed to like
for us when we're like slow down, calm down, you know,
ground relax, just what you're supposed to do. It's cold
ship outside, relaxed, be with family, and we're still like, no,
we gotta work, gotta do this done, gotta get this done.
It's like, yeah, but that's what I finally look for
these last two weeks. Everyone slows down because you got Hanka,

(01:27):
Kwanza and Christmas all right now, Like yeah, yeah, So
everything just slows down. Even businesses slowed down because they're
finally like, oh well there's nothing else to do, as
we'll set up for next year. So it's these new ways.
Everyone slows down except for and I feel bad for
everyone out there, the retail and the and the restaurants. Man,
it's the only type bars and stuff. That's where it

(01:48):
gets crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
If you are going to bars and restaurants, your tip
your stay, especially during the holidays, tip them. I love
this time of year man, Like you were saying, it's
nice to slow in the weather, I just really despise
the weather more than anything. Why no way, get to
see family, my sisters in town. My stepbrother will be

(02:09):
coming into town, so it'll be nice to be with
Cannon bro. Yeah you know, it's like get you get
everyone together and it's nice.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So we hope you all have a great holiday.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Season.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah you know. I mean I try to see your buddies,
love ones, anyone you can.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Man, yeah, because you always never know.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, everyone's on the go, go go. This is the
one time we all slow down. So it's like even me,
I'm texting friends that I haven't seen them in it.
Like literally, I hope we meet up, homie. Don't know
if you listen to the podcast, but uh shit, yeah, yeah,
I hope we meet up.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's just like trying to see old friends, like we
have them, talked to it forever, and all of a sudden,
she was like, yo, you know, I'm like, man, you
know we should kick it. And that's the thing. That's
the time of the year. You kick it with old
friends you haven't seen you talk to old homies.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
You know. It's about getting together, hanging out.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, I wanted me. It's funny. Well we'll talk offline.
But like we were, me and James were talking a
little bit about trying to get the homies together doing
like a little pool hanging because me and all the
old homies love shooting pool because when we met, we
were at the bars. We'd smoke weed outside or even
in depending how the bars were clothes and then we
would just shoot pool together, you know. So it was
like a thing. So we want to do that. But

(03:13):
that's what you do do the old ship. Like, dude,
I'm so I don't know about you, man, but I
watch Christmas movies, you know, not like we're like your
Christmas like not your typical Christmas movies. But mine are
like Harry Potter, you know what I mean? Like I
always rewant Terry Potter Christmas. It's my favorite Christmas.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Watch watch Christmas movies is not the right?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
What have I been watching? I watched The Home Alone
one and two classics? Well I did watch Home Alone
with Jim Terry classic Jingle all the Way with Arnold Schwartzenegger.
Put that cookie down. Sorry, it's pretty terrible, but Arnold
put that cookie.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Put that down. You have to do it like this, Dave,
you have to do a Dave. You must do it
like this.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's Arnold. Did you give it to me one more time?
About sparking a joint cannabis?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
David, you must spot at you like now get to
the light. I do love qussions, but man, I feel
a little stupid.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But no, that's all right. Watch there's so many.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I do like Jingle all the way. I might actually
watch that one to be free right now. Nice I
went down. I mean as I say, I definitely watch
more movies than normal.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I just like Santa Claus. Watch Santa Claus for Christmases.
Last all these I just throw them on. I've actually
been able to watch a couple of my office so
shout out day.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I know who your bosses and that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Shout out great director as.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well talking about him. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, I know he's a cool We actually went out
to lunch today too.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, holidays. Sason's slowing down at work and even
us man, we're starting to set up for the next year.
It's just me and him recording this week next week,
and episodes are just kind of slowing down. Even this
episode might be a little bit shorter, but we do
have a lot to discuss as uh.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, we wanted to start in a great move because
if you haven't heard, you're under a show. Cannabis has
been signed by Donald Trump to be rescheduled from scheduled
one down to schedule.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Three, which is good. Well, I have a sample for
that which it's like I want to hit the sad trambone.
It's almost I want to hit a question mark tramp trambone, trombone.
It's definitely not sad. I don't think, oh that's what
I said. It's I don't have a samp before. But
it's not cheers either.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I mean it's good for a lot of the businesses,
and that's the way I have to look at it,
because I mean it's been scheduled one with heroin and
all this stuff forever.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Obviously, let's talk about it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
We talked about it last week, descheduled where we stand,
but now that it is rescheduled, this opens up for testing,
federal testing to be done on the plane to show
already that we already know me and you that it
has medicinal values, that it can help people that imagine
all the terpeens are cannabin noise. We're gonna start seeing research.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So there's like certain okay, so let's really talk about it. Yeah,
I mean, I understand what your feelings are, and especially
you're right like the tax relief that now these companies
don't have to deal with the two eightye stuff, So
there is perks.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Is what Davis sparked this cigarette.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right. Uh So to the executive order on December eighteenth,
that which is crazy Trump signed it in because after
all the Biden bullshit saying we were gonna do something,
Trump is the one who's like, literally, I don't even
want this, but here we go or whatever he said.
Because so it's like and now for history, Trump's gonna
go down it. But also his ego is like, I'm
gonna go down in history for this bullshit. His ego

(06:34):
didn't play any.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Because anyone, any president could have done it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well Biden. I don't think I even know who he was.
I don't think Biden when look at the mirror back
who's at I don't think he was all there.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Did petition petition on doing that as well when he
was in office.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Either way, it's done, and I just my whole point
was like I really like I remember he did an
address like the day before and everyone was like ha ha,
he didn't bring up weeds. See he was lying the
next day. It's like I like rubbed my eyes and
it was sign. I'm like what pretty quick and it
was executive order, so he just did it. And that's
the thing. It's like an executive order titled increasing medical

(07:10):
Marijuana cannab Research r hadding the bill passed by Congress.
The order directs the DOJ to accelerate the reclassation marijuana
Schedule one and Schedule three. So I guess it's not
done yet, but it's signed, so they're expediting it, so
it's gonna be happened soon. And the core directives of
the executive order expedite rescheduling. That's the big thing. It
directs the Attorney General to take all necessary steps to

(07:31):
move forward Schedule three, so in a expeditious manner. So
essentially that just means like, hurry the you know what
I mean, get it done.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
You can move this fast. It doesn't have to take
two years to get done.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And now it's not a longe uh heroin and LSD,
and it's in a substance which closer to tailan all
with coding and ketymine, which that's a whole nother story.
Like I can't believe you're putting it next. I mean,
I'm surprised. My brain goes, why is tilan L coding
that high? Why are you putting that next to ketamine?
And then why is we not lower? Like I don't

(08:00):
know none off. It makes sense, but it's something right.
And then the secondary there's Medicare for CEB pilot program.
This was kind of neat. It's pretty cool, man, because
it allows Medicare benefits to have fifty sorry excuse me,
five hundred dollars annually for HEMP drive CVD products recommended
by positions all as you need. The doctors know. That's cool.
It's something you know. It's something I don't know. I

(08:21):
five hundred dollars is gonna go that far CBD exactly.
I don't think it's going to go that far. Cebe
stuff's pretty expensive, but say it's not gonna last you
all year, but it'll help, It'll help, Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Anyways, I was just stating it's for Medicare because they've
already have a flow in pay.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm all about it. I'm all about research expansion and
instructs a third research expansion and instruct federal agents to
expand clinical research into medical metafits of cannabis for conditions
of chronic pain, cancer to seizure disorders, which is this
is my favorite part out of all of that. Say
it again, is a research expansion. It's allowing research to
be done, at the federal level. This because to be

(09:01):
descheduled with what we want when most I would say,
advocates crave is because it really would get rid of
the stigma. This doesn't necessarily get people out of jail.
This doesn't necessarily just sort of the stigma. It can help, yeah,
but it doesn't necessarily like change it. You know, if
it's descheduled, then you don't call it a drug anymore,
and you call it like an herbal medicine or an
herbal substance, because do I agree it's a substance, and

(09:23):
I agree it can be abused like a drug, but
because it does its own it's a little different. I
just need something else. But h and fourth legislation requested
the Order to ask Congress to update the saturate satory
definition of hemp drive products to preserve access to full
spectrum CBD. Why restricting unsaved high risk products. So this
almost unseelling. It's taking back the Farm Bill, but the

(09:45):
good parts of it, you know, which that's pretty badass.
It is because all those companies we thought CBD was screwed,
they're fine, Like, as long as this goes through, if
you weren't doing shady shit.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Big facts should be doing shady shu. Your one's gonna
take everything away from us because there are people that
do it right yep.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So I mean, I mean, I don't know about you,
but we both are like cool, We're glad it's rescheduling. Sure,
wanted to just schedule, but at least it's hurrying up
the CD programs, Sick Research Expansion, Sick Legislative Request is
kind of. It's cool with the hemp bill, yep.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I didn't know they were doing any of the CBD
stuff when they.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, that's why I wanted to break it down a bit. Yeah, well,
I mean it's it's it's regeneralizing cannabis as a whole
what it needs to do. And I'm I'm I'm fucking
so glad because the federal government's finally in, like yes,
as medical benefits, like can you can't wait to that
first medical federal doctors? Like oh, did you know how
medical benefits we're I mean, like twenty three states dropped

(10:42):
their MIC and I mean twenty six states, but the
other like twenty or like wrong, I mean that was not.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I believe that. I believe it. Universities can now start
doing more federal testing as well too. I know we
got the one in the UP that already does it,
but now you've actually be a probably build test on
the THC. Think about man, it's just like you're doing TC.
A lot of it was cannabinoids and hemp drive plants.
Now you might be doing the ones with like you
might be able to test the bangering find out everything.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well do at every university. I mean, this is the
thing too. I don't want to get into this, but
private universities you can control who you know because whoever
pays them, they've got to make happy. Now that cannabis
is rescheduled and all this stuff, people are gonna slowly
change the stigma. Yeah, it will.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's just gonna take time. It's just gonna still take
times like we've been told. We've told you a look
how long this took.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
We're talking about this since we started the podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, it's been going on before that though too. Think
everyone before us. So it's uh, it's a move. It's
sent shock waves, but I want to go through some
So now that it has been signed, you got different
lawmakers with different Just.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
A real quick though before we move on. While you're
looking at UP major impacts on the camus industry. The
tax release section two eighty ones finalized. The state legal
cannabs business will no longer be subject.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Wait, we didn't talk about it, that's you interrupt, Well.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So I was trying to get it. Or Internal Revenue
Code section two eighty e This allows some of the
deduct ordinary businesses expenses like rent, payroll, marketing potential, lowering
their effective federal tax significantly. Yeah, a lot. And then
also access to research, so that we were talking about
the research already. That's why I just didn't want to
leave out the two eighty to eighty.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Two eighty is huge because now that gets.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Because now there's no administrative hurdles and now there's no
tax hurdles. Correct.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Now they can actually advertise, These brands can write off
their advertising. They can actually have marketing plans and spend
some money to help build up these their brand reach out.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:35):
If you're looking to build your brand up, you need help.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You want to get on the podcast, get out there
or can it be exquisite there?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
You do, but but you honestly need any help hit
us in the d MS.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Or any or any other about any any marketing stuff
that you want, cause I get write it off. It's
an advantage and it's very cool because at the end
of the day, these businesses are already so high and
like we're gonna get into it in a second after
I go through the negative parts about this bill, the
twenty four percent tax, right, we'll get in that later.
About Michigan. Yeah, that's just but my point is it's
gonna help at least kind of counteract it. Now, do

(13:13):
I think they're twenty four percent is no, No, it's bullshit.
This is just another but but we'll get in that
in a second. Yeah, but you're but to Dave's point,
from the business perspective, low white collar perspective, it's gonna
help these and even small business I'm not saying like
just chasing anyone. With the business perspective, they're like a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, you're gonna get more people in here looking to
spend some money.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, you might get less people losing jobs because the
twenty four percent. I mean, we're well, like you're already
seeing people.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well that's the effective this schedule.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You're understand that. I'm stating that it's going to counteract it.
And because it will counteract it, maybe you'll see less
companies having to go under. Now that's because I'm telling you,
because that twenty four percent was a dagger in the back.
This this relieve, this little Schedule three is not because
the way that the like, then that's okay, we'll just
go to the negative part of this bill first before
we get in the twenty four percent. But like, because

(14:06):
there's a couple of things that this bill simply just
does not allow, and it's like what it doesn't gonna do.
It's not gonna legalize cannabis. It's not just legal because
that's what deschedule would have done, right, it would have
been every state not a crime, well at least until
states changed their own laws, right.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Not an instant reclassification. It's not Schedule three like it
is changing expedited though, so we're gonna see it quick.
It's not gonna be like a two year holding tapping
our thumbs. The turnal generally has to get it done.
It's priority. That's cool. No change in banking restrictions. Don't
like this because it essentially means that we still need
something like the Safe Banking Act to pass, but this
doesn't grant cannabs access to federal banking. So essentially, still

(14:44):
going to go through the right banks with the right
protections from higher costs essentially is always the thing. And
do employer policies until the process finals. Federal drug testing
still requires for SINSI rolls like truck drives, some pilots.
But what I was curious about this wording I want
to talk about is maybe things will change for certain
federal employees. I know we're starting to see that shift,

(15:06):
but at this level, Like why is the secretary going
to be in trouble anymore? Like I understand if you're
driving a truck, but it's gonna that's crazy. Could you
imagine like your cop being able to smoke weed. They's like,
call me opposite, Dave. I'm just saying, imagine you're like

(15:27):
you get bowled over and he's like, hey can license
and license and you know what I'm saying, license and anyways, Uh,
you just don't know where we can go. Could you
imagine like it not? Because then once it's like not
the government people aren't and they're seeing their coworkers do

(15:48):
it like it's that's gonna be crazy. So and they
didn't say anything about it. They're just saying it's not
there yet. But like, once it's in play, why would
someone outbreaking.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
It up to their HR to their their CEOs, Because like,
once it is on same level as pharmaceuticals, why can't
I just go get a prescription for it?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You're gonna see people with prescriptions for CBD. So what's
the difference inc and CBD? Now if Susie can in
hr ANTI, Susie can take her CBD stuff and I
have our CBD cream on the desk, I know, but
it's gonna change the perspective on it. Like companies like
maybe let's let's back, let's back out of the government,
let's just go to your corporate day jobs. Some corporate
companies still aren't cool. Some are fine if you get

(16:28):
your job done, it just depends. Some will still like
Rebecca and sales over smelled Canna Dave and marking the jacket. True,
it's true, she's really happened, but no, but that's my point. Yeah,
some companies are cool, some companies aren't. But when this happens,
it's like, well why not, Like it's really gonna be like.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I absolutely agree. The only thing is I think the
CBD is probably gonna be like that point zero zero percent,
so they still be able to tell the difference between
CBD and THHC and the drug test for some of
them by.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
The smell though, like say somebody smokes CBD flower now,
Like I know, but I'm just saying it's starting to
start in your corporate companies. They're gonna have less of
a reason if it's not called the schedule one.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Drug one hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree, but true.
But if someone does, if they do have those policies
in place, just from an h archecto, make sure of
the back if they do smell it, even if you
say it's CBD, they could still make you go take
a drug test that day.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
That's why would the drug test matter. Why they're not
going to test you for fucking tiling all with Cody Inling,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't know if it's still if it's still if
they still have it in their handbook that they're testing
for it, I know, but I guess what I'm trying
to say, especially a Michion, because Michian's.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Think about any of these core corporate companies, they always
sort to be ahead of the COO curve with what's
cool to attract younger interns and stuff. Right, there are
some companies that are gonna be like, we're good with it,
and then other companies break we're good with it, And
that's just it's gonna domino. If I'm not saying it's
gonna change overnight, I just think it is going to
slowly change the stigma trying to be positive about this,
because I do think there are some negative things, because dude,

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when you really think about it, like All's rescheduling does
allow for more not allow for more control, but it's
basically like, hey, we're going to create a lot of
restrictions on this. We're descheduling would have got people out
of prison. You know, this rescheduling is not doing shit
for anyone in prison. Nope, no, it ain't. So the
people who were really affected and sitting in jail for

(18:22):
maybe selling two ounces a week for like now they're
in there for like ten years because they were in
the wrong neighborhood are also you know, carried or something
like you know, something stupid where cannabis isn't a big
deal and now their life. You know, they're in there
for ten years. Why there's people making money off it.
It's just it's very weird. How even with the reschedule,
we haven't had anything about people in prison.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, no, it's unfortunate. Hopefully some attorneys can usist as
leverage to get some of the clients, how now that
it has gone down from our scheduling schedule three because
it's strongfold, it is mess and whatnot, so hopefully they
can use it. But yeah, it is unfortunate because it
doesn't help anyone at that point with the sign of
the pen and didn't really do anything for that. It
really helps a lot of businesses and the people ready

(19:03):
in the industry that are working that are paying for,
not the people that paved the way beforehand that got
caught and then end up in jail.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, and I think that's one of the big reasons
why descheduling to both of us would have made way
more sense because it's more of the activist me mindset.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
And it also doesn't open up cross border sales either,
but reschedule doesn't, so it which can be good.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't mind that because I'll be honest, I'm not
ready for I.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Think d schedule will open that up though. That's the thing.
In my opinion, I think that opens that might be
one of the things that kills.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think while we're in this reschedule, I think states
are going to start pre writing legislation where they're like,
no thanks, even if it goes legal, you know what
I mean. I think you're going to see the states
divide before the dischedule, or at least prep I don't know, no,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think most of themigan are talking about doing a
twenty four percent tax, so I don't even think they're
even thinking cross transportation yet.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, it's the thing. We're not ready for it.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
It's not re No one's ready for that. So it'd
be like we had with the hamp on twenty eighteen
when they league when they did that and then they
restracted it. But four or five years, six years later.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't think the schedule would have opened that up.
I mean, I think it would have not listed it
as a drug, But I don't know if I don't
know how that would have worked.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean, everyone everyone talks about Amazon being able to
do delivery, so I'm assuming with legalization.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Or deschedule well, that's why I saying, deschedule would then
just go down to state law then, like your state
law was still restricted. So that's why I was saying,
I think if it was legalized, I don't know. I'm
just saying I don't know how to work. Again, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't see, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's my point. I'm just fuck.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I lost. It's just a conversation to be had in
the podcast. No, no, no, duh.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I lost my train of thought. It was all no shit,
that's what we're talking about. Oh No, I lost where
I was going with the Oh I guess it depends
on how it's worded in the legislation like that. That's
big deals, like who writes it and how it's worded,
because I don't know. I don't know what cross crossbar
order weed doesn't like, how are you going to track that?
Like at first, you know it's gonna just basically be

(21:05):
like trapping is legal. So no one's really ready for that.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
No things. I mean, Ohio already wrote the law, remember
they just passed it or no, out.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Of state, that's my point. That's why things are gonna
start happening. Other states can make no thanks ahead of time,
and then once it's he's scheduled, it's already gonna be
kind of sorted. I think certain states are still not
gonna want cannabis.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, I absolutely agree, they're going to write in state law.
It doesn't matter what state, don't make it state illegal.
So yeah, that's put you under state charges, right, And.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
That's my whole point from what we were talking about earlier.
It was just that that's what's gonna happen. Regardless. Laws
are gonna start being like, oh shit, let's get ahead
of this. No thanks if they don't like it. You know,
I'm not saying like Michigan, Michigan loves weed. I'm saying
state's like I don't know what's one that's illegal Tennessee, Indiana, Indiana,
like you know what I mean, these states are gonna
be like no thanks. So that's that's kind of more

(21:53):
or less. My point is like, yes, federal federal needs
to keep moving, but if the state doesn't want it,
I mean, they're still just going to write in as
quick as hell is gonna write it in quick order.
So but uh yeah, So that's really all I had
on the negative parts of the and stuff of that because,
like I said, there's positives and negatives to this bill.

(22:13):
I mean, hell, it's not what we want it, but
it's progress, right, yep, absolutely, And we just hope that
it stays like this pretty good stuff. Like we hope
it doesn't change and things start getting darker. But at
the end of the day, man, Like it's just like
any state. You know, states are loose with some things here.

(22:34):
States are different with these dates. Like I think that's
kind of how it should be with these more personal things.
They don't necessarily should be at the federal level. You know, murder,
they are word right, Like there's certain things that like
you should put those at the federal level. These should
be crimes. But it's like smoking weed, it's such like
a personal thing. Now it's like under staying if you
moving like one hundred bows, I mean, it doesn't really
matter where you're doing it. That's illegal, right, but just trapping,

(22:58):
right because usually you're selling other stuff too. But like
it's such a personal issue that you should be able
to move to the state you want to. It's like Florida,
we don't pay our state taxes. What's the Florida thing?
What's up to Florida. Florida doesn't want to take taxes.
They don't have to attract people, right, say, in Michigan,
like weed, We liked weeds in the begam We attract people.
You know, people moved here when they was like the

(23:19):
green rush in state here. So it's like people, I think,
will choose their states kind of accordingly. Yeah, no, no,
I agree. People like going to certain states because they're
like super religious or super state, you know, states because
they're super heady or whatever. I think anyway, but yeah,

(23:39):
I lost my train of thought, so that I think
that's pretty much all I had on the bill. Anything else,
what you want to say, No, I got nothing left.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
We'll continue talking about it because obviously it's gonna be
top of mind. So let's just jumping into the twenty
four percent tax real quick.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, nice and negative, Let's keep it you keep it.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Going, keep it going. We've already had we heard see
three industries is closing down. Cultivation here in Michigan is unfortunate.
We don't like to hear that because we don't people
have we're working there. So it's unfortunate to see people
losing their jobs before the holidays. It's so many jobs though,
and then you had a company in the up that
closed about thirty percent of their workforce. I believe I

(24:15):
read as well too. And it's not even January first yet,
and I've seen stuff on Mischi Gents where it shows like, hey,
they was showing prices potentially increasing jan first, because well,
I mean, I mean, just like any business, I mean,
it's gonna increase coming, it's gonna come to someone.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And honestly, and it's a reason to jump the prices up.
So they're just gonna do it either way, even if
they don't. If everyone else is doing it, why not.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, So it's unfortunate. I see people losing the jobs
right now there.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, I mean I guess to me, that's just showing
a company who's already teeter tottering, you know, for other
whatever reasons why they invested too much too early, bad bad,
bad ownership like whatever. It was like, those are companies
were already teeter tottering. So the rent, well, well now
we might as well get up. Why we're ahead, So
the you know, the half million dollar just get themselves ahead,

(25:02):
because if you if you're about to spend an other
fifty to two hundred three hundred four thousand dollars on investments.
It's like, is it worth it over the next year
if you're your ROI is gonna be like four percent,
Like you're basically just losing money all year.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think the ones will be able to navigate it
obviously where you're yeah, yeah, those ones weren't teener tottering.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Those ones have already made their deals, figured out how
to make their business. We'll learn to work with the
people in the industry because I will say I feel
like some of the people who don't collab and just
like stay in their own lane and try to get
ahead and be like we're gonna be better than everyone
you see them lose, you know what I mean? Because
at the day, like huge best weed is really based
on turp profile that you like that the right packaging,

(25:43):
the right hit, the right you know, the right female.
There's so many levels that perfect weed. So it's like
no company is perfect. You just gonna find the one
that's like usually the best. Like some of my favorite
companies right now, I can say I've had some shit
where I was like, damn it, like you know what
I mean, Like I'm throwing names out there because I
want to. They don't want to be like, hey, I
heard you didn't like some of our ship. Like no,

(26:05):
but that's everybody, bro, I mean, dude, even you. I've
come to you and be like, I don't know about
this one, but and I love your button, but let's
be real. You've had some stinkers, like I've read some
garbage a music, like you know, when you're making stuff,
sometimes it just doesn't hit you know. So that's why
you can't judge a company on one string. Now if
you have three batches in a row and all boo

(26:26):
boos like, well, maybe it's the boob bush wagons.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well maybe it's that grower processor too.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Well, that's the companies switched to dude all the time.
That's the other thing too, which I think companies should
be louder about it, Like if you're not doing your
own processing, say it's processed by Exquisite Extractions or whatever.
Can't it be right? I'm just shouting partners, say it's
processed by them, because some people if they like them,
or brain association, like hell, shout out to Travis and
North Coast. I think he's clad with everyone twice. Yeah,

(26:53):
you know, like you know what I mean. And that's
that's what I love about his brand because you definitely
tried some fire by him, because one of those collabs
out there was gas.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Especially those Donies.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean I loved the full Moult too. I
actually had some of that secret sauce recently too. Hmm,
Black Contending House again.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh really you tried it? Oh don't ship? No, remember
it was probably pretty good though.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I guess, but you know, go in the twenty
four percentn.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No, it's just it's just kicking in January first, which
is wild. That's it got. I'm still I'm still baffled
that it got passed. Obviously, there's still suits going in
place right now. I'm curious if lawmakers like eventually just
look back and repeal it themselves, because they keep sing
seeing people lose their job, because eventually there's a come
a point where it's like, yo, that all that money
that you projected, it ain't even gonna be there. Well,

(27:46):
I mean, if you're having to have businesses close up
lose their license, like you know.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
The thing is what I don't understand about this new
rate of wholesale cannabis cannabis tax, which is the first
sales slash transfer from growing a process to retailer, so
which is pretty much most people, right, because if you
have to sell to your retailer, that's pretty much most
people unless you own your own vertically and then sure,
I guess you get the skip. You know, that's what
it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
At least, Yeah, it's good for the vertically integrated companies, right,
plus the ten percent retail acasys plus the six percent
state total percent now forty percent.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I don't even I don't nothing. I don't have a
button to work crappy enough for this, you know what
I mean, I don't have anything. I kind of.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Such good news.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So that's why I just wanted to break it down.
And like Dave said January, verse twenty six, it's gonna
be applied with the wholesale level. When cannabis is first
solar transferred to a grower slash process or to a
retailer purpose, the revenue is earmarked for the road and
infrastructure repairs to the Comprehensive Road Funding Fund in the
Neighborhood Road Fund, which again, why is cannabis paying for
the roads? Just just just pin that in your head.

(28:56):
Impact on consumers while tax is levied at a wholesale level.
Suspensers are expected to pass on costs and consumers, so
they reach out. Of course, like David said, and sorry,
I like broke this down a little bit earlier. Some stuff.
The Michigan Cannabis Association m I c i A has
challenged the taxing court argument Violet's voter Approve twenty and
eighteen initiative, but the court claim judge recently allowed the
tax move forward. And again a big fart button right there.

(29:19):
But again, shout out to them.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I order who paid the judge at a bunch of
people to backy tobaccia big vape.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Is that a thing? Big farm, Oh, big farm, I
will always be paying. Just drop money, leven right. Our
depression may medicine may cause depression.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And anxiety and stress induce vomiting. But but but it helps.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
But again, m I c I A is actually doing
like I think they were doing, like coffee things. I
hope that email blast is still exists. It's in our
email somewhere, so I know it was there.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
They've been sending them out.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Okay, So yeah, what you do is you can meet
up virtually and or in person. A lot of them
are virtually which makes sense because people are probably like,
oh god, but you can basically me up with them
and share your opinion. I've been wanting to do it
for my section. Haven't figured out. Let's be honest, but
I need to. We need to do it. Mine did.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I voted against it.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, I didn't see mine list it, so I don't
know if maybe mine's not doing it, or maybe it's
like under a different area and Pontiac because Paniac wasn't listed,
so I didn't know if maybe it's like, you know, hey,
you're close to Bluefield Hills. Sometimes that's how it is
with voting and doesn't even have their own police anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, it's all the kind of shriffs. Yeah, it's coming
back though downtown it looks good.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I'm not I'm just.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Saying, especially once you get rid of.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
That, we don't got all of our ship together here,
you know, panic like I'll be honest, like government doesn't.
But it's coming back, like you said, it really is
the community center too. It's taking this old elementary school,
so it's coming back. Hey, shoot up my proppery value,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's right, that's right, revitalize.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I guess for a long time it was struggling because
for me, I was so frustrated when they got rid
of the Dream Cruise. I was like, for real, that
was like your big thing, the Dream Cruise.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's that art speed. Excuse me, you're right still comes up.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I'm sorry. Yeah, well even then it was bigger up
here because there was more bars people. I mean, I
worked at a bar on Pontiac during that time. I
made like over like it was a bar back. I
made like over a thousand dollars in an evening, yeah,
you know, or a day. I guess it was all
day actually, but it sounds good. A couple days.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I mean back then.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Still right now, one thousands. I take a thousand dollars
a day. We don't. It wasn't regular, but I was working.
I think it was like noon to midnight that day.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
No, I would glad. I was pretty bumped too. And
they took that away and they just moved it down
to Royal.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
We'll just change everything. You brought the whole economy down
on a big event like that can change everything. Could
you imagine if like Heartplause is like we're not gonna
do depth anymore. Like what you know, your money comes
to that city because of a movement between hotel bookings,
food costs, like international money too, dude. That's what I'm well,
that's that's the same thing they did art speeds and eat.
Maybe not international, but people came from all over which.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Got him million dollars and stuff, millions.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Of dollars bro people, all the parking, all the food
that was spent. It's not just that at the event.
It's around the event, dude. The movement brings a lot
of money. Sure, but I'm from about the round the event.
Think all the hotels get booked for movement, all the
hotel parties. I've been what you've been doing, I've been
doing you know what I mean, Like there's there's always.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Bark No, it's a lot so everywhere.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Anyways, we went on a little side changing there. But
the this twenty four percent tax ain't good man, It's
it doesn't make sense. It's going towards the roads, and
like I said, it's going to that fund, which I
almost feel like it's just like let's just take some
money from the stoners because there's lots of revenue. And
it's like that's so fucked up like it gave even

(32:43):
brought up. Doesn't our weight truck isn't our weight limit
or something double what it is in most.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
States or something you said something like that semi truck limit,
we were two times what the averages in the United States.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It's not like I should say we should go after
semi truck drivers, but like maybe something more in that
industry or any industry that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Are you think of the pounds of weed that we're moving,
probably does not compared to the heaviness of alcohol. Alcohol
is probably a lot heavier. And those are big trucks.
Somebody's carry a lot of stuff. So I mean, it's
not just the weed industry.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
There's oil bro Oil doesn't bring enough money, like tax
it like you know what I mean, Like it sucks,
you know, And I know there's a bunch of shick on.
It's hard to who do you target. You basically just
target with the least demographic.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And I think you should honestly just take it from
I hate to say everyone's hate MENA says tax the
regular consumer on gas tax. Raise the gas tax because
everyone fucking trivees, you know, seriously, Rather yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Then it'd be a lower amount too. It wouldn't be
twenty four percent four yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Taking down four to eighty percent or something, but like
cut it cut the raise the gas tax for every
consumer because we ruined the roads. We're driving consistently, everybody is.
And now you just hit your targeting a sector of
this Why you don't target anyone. Yeah, you're targeting the
sector of industry of jobs that's potentially sorry, potentially going

(34:07):
to lose. It's uh, lose a lot more of the shares.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's why I was saying earlier at thet It counteracts
the twenty four a little bit with that right off,
but it's not fair.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, imagine if they didn't have that twenty four percent
tax and this happened.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, they would be Most companies would be like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I don't think about the other companies in all the
other states and kell yeah I want out.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Californias be like, oh shit, we got actually money back
and we got what and we got our taxes. That
was California because it is already like we about to
pay z.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
In Texas, they're about to do some ship because they
now they got the off. They took down the tax too.
My god, just at that officially went into affecting Cali
their tax. They lowered their tax. Remember how they were
the highest now we are. I think Washington's actually the highest,
but they lowered it. It's so I don't know, there's

(34:54):
I still believe. I still have faith that it can
still get changed, and I really hope it does because
I I talk to people, I just feel for them.
But like you said, they're ready for it. You know,
they're gonna have to do what they're gonna do, and
a lot of them don't want to give up on
their uh, their their dream, their career, you know, their job, right.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
So it's like, well, people, it's not you know. I
mean a lot of industry is invested in like yo,
the money I make here, but cannabis has always been
invest invested on people who care about this industry and
who care about this industry because it's hard to hard
to go through all this bullshit, all these taxes, all
these hard regulations, all this bullshit just to them be

(35:33):
even and scrutinized for your industry. Like I've even heard
people talking about it's hard to get out of the
cannabis industry because once you work in the canvas industry
for five ten years, like that's your resume and then
think about It's like for me, it's like just so
many things that cannabis is held back on. It's just
like a little bit of relief here and there would
be nice, you know. So that's why I'm exhausted of
seeing like up down it's like this twenty four percent tax,

(35:54):
it's just bullshit. You know.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I absolutely agree with what you just said about people
that change their careers. Like I don't know if you
said change their careers, but people that have the resume
for all these years. Imagine if you changed your career
and then you try to go back into that career
if you got cannabis and.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Even like still you talk to someone today about that,
Yeah it's a bummer. Well they just say, like it
gets hard because then eventually these companies don't understand when
you're working for this company, I'm like, yeah, you gotta
explain what you did and then you might be able
to talk it through. But then some companies might have
a bad day now because of cannabis.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
It's like yep, because some of them still have that
negative propaganda, negative.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Exquisite extractions on papaia cake come down.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Nice. Nice, but yeah, so honestly, we'll be keeping you
updated on that twenty four percent text. We will be
going live this Saturday, nine am. It's the last live
of twenty twenty five, so make sure you're there. And
if you miss this Saturday, it's past Saturday. I'm bombed,
honestly because I told you to be there and we
gave away one hundred dollars two fifty dollars winners and
we had an exquisite bag.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Again, we gave our own right bag.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Oh yeah, and you gotta have a chance to win,
so swag back from us.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I'll say it was a couple of hours with the prizes.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
So I'm upset, so tune in this Saturday. I'm not
giving away anything. Yeah, honestly, I was upset after what
did I even tell you that? Talk to the ham exactly.
I was like, no, this sucks. I'm just trying to
give away gifts like seeing any people don't want to
show up. No, I'm just kidding. We actually had a great,
great group, but we did.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
He always wants more, We always want more.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, So if you are, if you are listening to
this character, we go to nine to ten, but I
mean last week.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
We did go to go to ten thirty. Man, let's
just say it starts at nine and go ten to
ten thirty is man.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, so just come in hop in. We're live everywhere.
I would actually say, ig Facebook, YouTube, those are the chats.
Go follow us on Twitch on my cand of caste
because we're in my Canic casts everywhere. And again, Happy
Holidays to you and the family. Hope you all have
a great merry Christmas. Have merry Christmas, I'm gonna say,
and then.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Mary chriss or merry Christmas. That's all you get.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
All too funny, but yeah, I think you all appreciate y'all.
We'll have something out on New Year's Eve. Just going
through the whole year's of recap some next weeks.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Not New Year's Eve. It's next Wednesday whatever that means
New Year's Is that really news?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Oh fuck, well, I guess it's not. I thought it
was Thursday for some reason. My brain's off. I'm like,
I thought it was Thursday and Thursday. This was like anyhao, Well,
don't listen to me. I don't know my dates.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Because Christmas.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
If you want your confused on your needs, that's a saxophones.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
That's right, that's what I got. We got a lot
of uh if I meet Cannon Dave anywhere, We got
a lot of things coming towards y'all twenty six, So
we're super excited. Other than that, groovy, I got nothing left.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Shut out to our sponsors.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
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extracts check them out or winning concentrats. We got exquisite extractions.
Was groovy. Was just dabbing up. We got super soil
by smoking tomatoes, and last but not least, we got
old school organics can came board winning stretch.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes sir, yeah, you said it all right man, we'll
shout to everyone, enjoy your holidays. We're gonna do a
nice little recap of the year, just being a thankful
type of podcast, and uh then we're on to it.
We got some cool stuff recorded, some short interviews already
recorded from Biscom. We got some long stuff planned. We
got some new people we've been talking to, New Year,
New Us. We got a whole new channel we were starting.

(39:25):
We got a whole lot of stuff, So stick around.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Couldn't sound better, man, I say we might even have
a calendar for y'all next year.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
That's just the lux just Canada to Deluxe right there.
And if he's listening this far in the chat, we
love you man.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I'm gonna tell him I got a little Eastern nugget
in there.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's all the way at the last minute perfect that
he's gonna make it to like the minute before then accident.
But no you didn't, Yeah we did.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
We appreciate edit it out just so just like perfect,
not perfect again. I appreciate you, every one of you,
all the followers, so we'll see you all the Saturday
Live and as always, Grevy, we're here to advocate, educate
and inspire the next time out.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Purce Mary christ